Democrats wrong to push bonus to seniors

From The Washington Post:

For the second year in a row, the nearly 54 million retirees and other Americans who receive Social Security benefits will not get any cost-of-living increase in 2011 in their monthly checks, government officials announced Friday, renewing debate over whether the system offers enough help in a weak economy.

The absence of any growth in Social Security checks for consecutive years is unprecedented in the 31/2 decades that payments have been adjusted automatically based on the nation’s inflation rate….

In the White House and on Capitol Hill, Democrats immediately responded with fresh calls to give extra money to older Americans, a potent voting bloc, and other people who depend on Social Security. Republicans disparaged the idea, contending that it would deepen the deficit and skirt a more fundamental need to put the retirement system on solid financial footing for the long term.

The Republicans are absolutely right about that. There is no legitimate reason to increase payments to Social Security recipients in an era of low or non-existent inflation. The proposal to do so — the plan is apparently to send Social Security recipients a check for $250, at a cost of $14 billion — is sheer politics and pandering.

“Many seniors are struggling in the face of the economic downturn, having seen their savings fall,” White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said in a statement quoted by the Post. “Today’s news that the Social Security Administration will for a second year not provide a cost of living adjustment for Social Security benefits highlights these struggles.”

Again, no. Some seniors may indeed be struggling, but a lot of Americans — people with kids to raise, for example, and people without health insurance — are struggling even worse in this economy and don’t have Social Security to fall back upon.

This is the kind of proposal gives legitimacy to the caricature of Democrats as free-spenders, and it ought to be dropped.

391 comments Add your comment

MK

October 16th, 2010
9:30 am

“Roy Barnes of Georgia may be the pre-eminent tax-cutting Democrat on the national scene” – CATO Institute, 2002.

Pennski

October 16th, 2010
9:30 am

I finally agree with you on something Jay.

J.R.

October 16th, 2010
9:37 am

C’on Man!! What about the people who can no longer work with a family to raise?? I guess I should ask my landlord not to increase my rent or just stay home& die because I can not afford to drive a car or anything else it takes to feed, cloth and educate my kids. Alright that is enough about that. Many people like me worked hard for many years and we need the system we paid into to keep us alive and give or kids a chance in life nothing more and nothing less GOD Bless America!!!!

Del

October 16th, 2010
9:38 am

Both an objective and fair commentary.

Terri

October 16th, 2010
9:51 am

Thanks for recognizing it for what it is.

Duster

October 16th, 2010
9:53 am

As opposed to spending a trill on invading an innocent muslim country?

beachwriter

October 16th, 2010
9:55 am

The end must be near – I’m agreeing with Jay twice in a week’s time! First on the ballot amendment vote, and now this.

arnold

October 16th, 2010
9:57 am

I am receiving SS. I agree there should be no additional payout. The standard is a COLA. There has been no cost of living increase in the economy and therefore, we seniors shouldn’t receive any extras.

Lil' Barry Bailout

October 16th, 2010
10:09 am

SS recipients got an unjustified 6% COLA two years ago due to a very temporary jump in gas prices. To now demand a bonus in when inflation is low can only be described one way.

Greed.

Lil' Barry Bailout

October 16th, 2010
10:12 am

J.R.: I guess I should ask my landlord not to increase my rent or just stay home& die because I can not afford to drive a car or anything else it takes to feed, cloth and educate my kids.
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You’re somehow able to afford a computer and internet service though.

Shouldn’t you be at work?

Gator24

October 16th, 2010
10:12 am

Reply to Arnold. You are probably one of those people who should be means tested. The people who usually complaining about spending are on Medicare and SS.

Don't Forget

October 16th, 2010
10:13 am

I agree, this is not a good idea.

Maj. Wood

October 16th, 2010
10:37 am

I am retired and I worked hard my whole life. I have earned everything I deserve all of my social security. I am on a very fixed income. The government needs to keep there promises.

Obama is the worst ever. Taxed Enough Already! Bring back G.W. Bush.

Jack

October 16th, 2010
10:38 am

There is definitely inflation unless you’re trying to sell your house. But they can keep my $250 if they won’t add it to someone’s EIC payment.

barking frog

October 16th, 2010
10:42 am

Return my premiums and you can cancel both my Social
Security and Medicare insurance policies which is what,
I have been told by both parties of government, I have been
paying since I was 14 yrs old.

Mick

October 16th, 2010
10:43 am

Jay – you are serving this one up for your many detractors to get a reprieve of the constant pounding you have to endure. Even though my folks are getting their social security, I do agree this is no time to spend 14 billion on a one time payout, let’s start shoring up social security for the next generation of retirees.

@@

October 16th, 2010
10:44 am

Agreed, jay.

Governing is serious business, and it would appear Republicans are prepared to get on with it.

A senior’s perspective:

“My first reaction was that I was getting by O.K., and since times were tough, I could bite the bullet along with everyone else. But, I was curious as to how the majority of Seniors felt about this. So, for the last few days, I’ve been checking all the interviews I could find, so I could get an informal poll. Perhaps surprisingly, it seems that well over half (haven’t seen an actual poll yet) of the Seniors interviewed had the same reaction. They felt that everybody was hurting, and that they had to pay the price just like everyone else. However, in spite of the common perception, many Seniors are not bogged down by excessive Medical/Drug costs.”

http://freerangetalk.com/?p=26634

There’s a reason they’re called the greatest generation. They care about the future of their kids and grandkids. Left-wingers? Not so much.

Young Disabled Veteran

October 16th, 2010
10:46 am

If Uncle Obama tries to send me a 250 check in my veterans compensation i am sending it right back to the Treasury. Enough already! Stop the spending, We want JOBS not 250 bucks.

Mick

October 16th, 2010
10:47 am

**Left-wingers? Not so much.**

Annoying stereotyping = slow lazy thinker

Jay

October 16th, 2010
10:51 am

No Mick. It’s simply a stupid idea being pursued for the wrong reasons.

As you seem to agree….

barking frog

October 16th, 2010
10:52 am

Mick

October 16th, 2010
10:43 am
let’s start shoring up social security for the next generation of retirees.
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SURELY all the financial experts of the internet generation will be
smart enough to save for retirement and not put money into a
government trust fund to be replaced by IOUs. But wait they can’t
decide which party they want to run the country, just like in the past.
This generation should sacrifice to save the Grandchildren.

Mick

October 16th, 2010
10:56 am

I support social security and nothing you naysayers whine about will change my mind. For the umpteenth time it is a safety net NOT a retirement plan.

barking frog

October 16th, 2010
11:04 am

Mick

October 16th, 2010
10:56 am
For the umpteenth time it is a safety net NOT a retirement plan.
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A retirement plan is a safety net for when you are too old to work.

jconservative

October 16th, 2010
11:05 am

“There’s a reason they’re called the greatest generation. They care about the future of their kids and grandkids. Left-wingers? Not so much.”

Are you saying “left-wingers” with a straight face or just a little tongue in cheek? Surely it must be the latter.

I am sure you are aware that no administration starting in Jan 1981 has cared a damn about “the future of their kids and grandkids”. How else do you explain 30 straight years of huge deficit spending caused by tax cuts for NOW and no spending cuts for NOW.

The last 30 years have been nothing but a raid on the Treasury through the mechanism of tax cuts for today. Stealing from the “kids and grandkids” to spend today.

Had their been equal offsetting spending cuts I would not be able to make the indictment. But there were not and I am on solid ground.

The “kids and grandkids” now have a National Debt to pay that has grown to $13,606,947,094,101.90 from the $950 billion of Jan 1981.

Left-wingers? Since 1981 the Republicans have been in the White House 20 of the 30 years. The Democrats have been in charge of the House 18 of the 30 years. The Republicans have been in charge of the Senate 16 of the 30 years.

There are no innocents here. Both the left and right have been guilty of stealing from the “kids and grandkids”.

But if you prefer to go ahead and pretend otherwise, so be it.

Kamchak

October 16th, 2010
11:13 am

Sorry Grandma, no new battery for the hoveround this year.

Mick

October 16th, 2010
11:13 am

jconservative
@
October 16th, 2010
11:05 am

It’s a damn beautiful day and that post packed in more common sense and to the point reality than many are willing to accept. Thunderous applause and have a great day…………….

Janie

October 16th, 2010
11:14 am

For once I disagree with you. There are many seniors whose only income is SS – they never had the luxury during their work years of being offered 40l K’s, profit sharing, etc. and it took every dime they made to keep a roof over their heads, feed their families, etc. And if any of you think prices have not gone up – somebody is paying for you cause you sure haven’t been grocery shopping, etc. And for the record, in 2009 it was said there would be no raises in 2010 and most likely none in 2011 so obviously their minds were made up in 2009 to bypass raises in 2011. I paid into social security for over 55 years and will gladly accept the $250 if sent to me. I am raising two grandchildren, one in college, on what I get from SS each month. Never asked for nor did I ever get a food stamp or anything else when I raised my family. And God knows we don’t need W back – eight years of him was enough to take this Country far enough down that the road back will not be done over night. And it was people like me paying into the system that allowed your parents and grandparents to get their checks. There isn’t a Republican that gives a damn about anyone but the rich and affluent; if there is then they sure aren’t Republican.

barking frog

October 16th, 2010
11:16 am

Huge spending programs were once justified to help surviving
spouses the poor and the elderly. Now they include the able
bodied and well to do in the guise of stimulating the economy,
but they are still huge vote buying schemes that help both
political partys.

carlosgvv

October 16th, 2010
11:16 am

If there is no extra money to give to people on SS could it be because of the billions given to Big Business because they are “just to big to let fail”? How convient to pretend no prices are going up (they are) and one again use the weakest as financial punching bags. Say, isn’t there a big vote coming up in about two weeks? Look for a great deal of grey hair at the polls.

md

October 16th, 2010
11:17 am

A fine example of what the BIG 2 do. Pander for votes……….nothing more, nothing less.

Sure, there are some that do it for the folks, but all one has to do is look at the benefits Congress gives itself vs what we common folk receive, and it should be obvious it is about protecting a lifestyle……………….theirs.

Check out THEIR healthcare package, retirement package and pay increases and compare them to the real world average and decide for yourselves.

Gator Joe

October 16th, 2010
11:22 am

Jay,
No doubt, there are some Conservatives who agree with you, this frees up more money (psychologically) for tax cuts for the wealthy.

Don't Forget

October 16th, 2010
11:22 am

@@
There’s a reason they’re called the greatest generation. They care about the future of their kids and grandkids.

That’s why they elected FDR 4 times and Truman twice.

Jay

October 16th, 2010
11:23 am

Gator, the problem is that no “psychological space” is needed. Washington has proved over the years that it is perfectly willing to do both with no concern for the long-term implications.

Mick

October 16th, 2010
11:24 am

md @11:17

Finally, I completely agree with that succinct assessment.

Mick

October 16th, 2010
11:28 am

**That’s why they elected FDR 4 times and Truman twice.**

Man thats a hat trick, three posts that with no labeling, just the facts mam.

@@

October 16th, 2010
11:32 am

jconservative:

Neither party gets a pass from me. I’ve been in both camps.

What’s the difference between then and now? I’ve come to realize that government’s promises rarely if ever materialize. I put the HOPE in my own abilities and the CHANGE in my own pocket.

Left-wingers advocate for government holding onto both…believing that it’s in THEIR best interest to do so.

Mick

October 16th, 2010
11:34 am

Well, I’ve said this before but after 41 years in florida, I have not experienced such great, dry, cool weather…..I’m out and thanks for all the differing opinions, it helps to questions one beliefs, there are no absolutes and if there ever was, this would be a pretty lame existence.

Jackie

October 16th, 2010
11:38 am

The Dems are trying to use government to help a consistent voting block who are hurting. Even though this attempt offers some relief, it is not what is needed presently, nor is a tax cut for those who earn more than $250,000.

@@

October 16th, 2010
11:42 am

Another thing, jconservative.

You’re likely a third-party promoter. I have no problem with third parties. I’ll vote for a third-party candidate in a pinch. I do not, however, believe that third party candidates will rule in the “grander political scheme”.

I have to believe that it is THE PEOPLE who will encourage the two to get their act together. I’m seeing evidence of that with the Tea Party movement.

El Jefe

October 16th, 2010
11:55 am

When I retired from AT&T in 2000, there was no promise of a cost of living hike, and there hasn’t been – my pension check is the same today as it was then – that is how businesses work -

Not sure who said it, but what is good for business is good for America.

El Jefe

October 16th, 2010
11:57 am

Jackie,

There is no tax cut for the rich – dumb democrat talking point – it is extending the current taxes rates – as any rational thinker knows.

Scout

October 16th, 2010
12:00 pm

Jay:

You keep this kind of stuff up and the Dems. are going to take you on an “intervention” ride.

El Jefe

October 16th, 2010
12:01 pm

Artificially, the FED has manipulated the economy to produce a flat inflation rate. On paper we have close to zero inflation, but as everyone knows, in the real world, there is inflation.

Thank you FED – a totally unconstitutional bureaucracy, usurping the power and privileged of Congress.

Dave R.

October 16th, 2010
12:14 pm

Of course, if the health reform law recently passed actually lowered medical costs for seniors, maybe that $250 wouldn’t be needed to offset the higher costs they have to pay next year and every following year.

Another failed government policy that now needs more money to cover that failure.

Never thought I’d live to see the day that Jay and C.T. turned into deficit hawks. Probably something fleeting, though. :)

El Jefe

October 16th, 2010
12:16 pm

Dave R.,

Only if they can prove that we stupid people need the Government to help, care and provide for us.

We just need to sit back, drink beer and watch college sports. The Government will take care of us, we don’t have to do a thing.

Jackie

October 16th, 2010
12:18 pm

@El Jefe

Apparently you have not been paying attention to what the Repubs in the House and Senate are demanding, a continuation of the Bush tax cuts that mainly benefit those who earn more than $250,000.

Not only do they demand a continuation, they are insisting the cuts be made permanent.
I wonder if that is a dumb Repub listening point you have not heard?

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_tax-cut_hand_grenade_20100907/

Jackie

October 16th, 2010
12:21 pm

@Dave R

Take a look at this to determine if your point is not valid.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2973

El Jefe

October 16th, 2010
12:38 pm

Jackie,

A repeal of the current tax rates would re-institute the lowest tax bracket – right now the bottom is $15k, repealing the Bush tax cuts would drop that down to $10k.

Since the “rich” are already paying a disproportional amount already, you are suggesting that they can pay more – well, they can if they wish, but since they earned the money and/or wealth (not all wealth is money) let them choose.

As with the Carnegie’s, without their wealth, we would never have the Public Libraries we have today.
Where would Ashville be if it wasn’t created by the Vanderbilt’s.

Be careful with the class warfare speak, it is shallow and shows a lack of common sense.

Cobb Mom

October 16th, 2010
12:47 pm

I just love hearing senior citizens demand increases in SS because it is their money and they earned it. Do these people know or care about all the money younger generations are putting into SS, and we’ll be lucky to see a fraction of “our” money. A lot of working folks have rising bills and no raises as well. Many are taking pay cuts and losing income all together. You should be thankful your SS benefits are not being cut or taken away completely. Thank you to the seniors who do recognize this and don’t want to continue running up debt that their children and grandchildren will be repaying years and years down the road.

Mr Right

October 16th, 2010
1:05 pm

What ? Jay siding with Republicans ! Don’t remember that happening before. Jay is coming on!!

Geodude

October 16th, 2010
1:33 pm

Barking frog at 10:42 – the government should take you up on your offer- I did the calculations – assuming you retire in 2010 at 65 after working 50 years, making 70,000 per year, averaging a 3% raise every year, your total payments into the system would total about $290,000 – even including your and your employer contribution. If you invested that money in a safe 6% return and took out $3000 per month ($2000 for living and $1000 for insurance to cover what medicare would cover), your investment would get you to about 76 years old. After that you might as well just die. Social security, on the other hand wouls probably pay you about $2500 for the REST OF YOUR LIFE as well as covering your medical expenses through Medicare. Social Security and Medicare are INSURANCE programs, ensuring that everyone who contributes gets the minimum coverage when they retire. Some don’t make it to retirement (such as my wife who died of breast cancer), their contributions cover the rest of us.

Geodude

October 16th, 2010
1:36 pm

By the way, I agree that SS recipients should not get COLA either. As a matter of fact, I believe that COLAs should be suspended until the SS is financially viable for the long run. And Medicare needs some real help and should be a self-sustaining program like Social Security.

TnGelding

October 16th, 2010
1:40 pm

You can say that again. At least we’re still receiving benefits. I’m not sure I agree with the inflation data, tho.

Reuters on deficit:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101016/bs_nm/us_usa_economy_deficit

(A little different slant than the AP article in the AJC.)

TnGelding

October 16th, 2010
1:46 pm

Geodude

October 16th, 2010
1:36 pm

The automatic COLA, signed into law by (Gasp!) Nixon is what created the perceived shortfall. Up until then increases had only been approved when revenue was enough to pay for it or Congress voted to raise the tax in order to increase benefits. Republican presidents were complicit in the other changes that added to the cost as well. But they still want to blame it all on FDR and the Dems.

Dusty

October 16th, 2010
1:54 pm

Thank you, Jay, for an honest unslanted appraisal of this suggested giveaway of more money. It matched quite well the opinions I have heard from “Seniors”. They understand only too well what hard times and debt mean. They are willing to do their part. ( Just as @@’s post comment made that point).

This “gift” to follow SS sounds like the usual report from Washington. Give away money to cure any problem, even if it creates more problems. They don’t seem to learn in the Capitol. Sad

But just a note to “SENIORS” and others who are having trouble paying for their medications. Many large drug companies who manufacture “expensive” prescription drugs are willing to help those in need. They do want proof of income or some kind of information to prove the need. But most will help with a small fee or send the meds free. I know some people who have done this and got help.

Union

October 16th, 2010
2:02 pm

do i hear $50.. who will give me $50.. now $100.. c’mon folks.. we are talking prime votes here.. do i have $150.. $150.. moving on up.. $200.. $200… now $250.. $250.. .. $250 going once.. going twice.. sold!!! to the tall man in the back! mister.. you just bought a shiny new vote..

hmmm

October 16th, 2010
2:09 pm

Left=death (abortion) to the unborn taxpayer

Right=a future for the unborn taxpayer

Think about it.

getalife

October 16th, 2010
2:16 pm

Come on Jay.

The gop want to get their greedy corrupt hands on ss.

Give it to Seniors is much better and taking it .

Dusty

October 16th, 2010
2:20 pm

Errr GEODUDE,

Off topic but do you pursue the study of geology, paleontology or fossils in particular? I have some beautiful ammonites and a bit of petrified wood. Such interesting things they are.

midtownguy

October 16th, 2010
2:27 pm

The biggest myth about the elderly is that the majority of them are suddenly struggling. Yes, their are some poor seniors but they were poor when they were younger as well. The economic status of most people does not head into a downward spiral the day they turn 65.

My parents are 84 and 91 and they have more money than they have ever had. Certainly more than when they were raising three children and making house payments. But, they lived within their means and saved and planned for their retirement.

AmVet

October 16th, 2010
2:32 pm

Left=a future for the troops that involves living

Right=death (BushCorp Crusades) to the troops

Think about it.

Union

October 16th, 2010
2:37 pm

amvet.. thats kind of stupid.. when i signed up.. wasnt for day camp…

Union

October 16th, 2010
2:39 pm

getalife.. ss has already been pilfered.. where u been?

AmVet

October 16th, 2010
2:41 pm

midtownguy, you wrote, “Yes, their are some poor seniors…”

Currently, 3.4 million seniors age 65 and older live below the poverty line. Millions more are barely making ends meet just above the poverty line. While 9.4 percent of seniors had incomes in 2006 below the poverty threshold of $9,669 for an individual, and $12,186 for a couple, nearly a quarter of older Americans (22.4 percent) had family incomes below 150 percent of the poverty line.

If we had a better measure of poverty, the elderly poverty rate would be considerably higher. The current poverty measure gives no consideration to health care costs, among other problems. High medical bills for the elderly can greatly reduce the income available to meet their other needs. New York City has recently calculated its poverty rates under an improved approach proposed by the National Academy of Sciences. Among other things, it takes into account how much money people have left to meet basic needs after paying for their medical costs. Under this measure, the elderly poverty rate in New York City would have been 32 percent in 2006, compared to 18 percent under the official measure.

The you wrote, “…but they were poor when they were younger as well.”

Source please. Given that there are several obvious explanations why this is NOT true, you’ll understand (I trust), why it is very difficult to just accept your word, without corroboration…

AmVet

October 16th, 2010
2:42 pm

Union, that retort was kind of stupid, as it has ZERO relevance to the point.

getalife

October 16th, 2010
2:49 pm

Got a link to that “pilfered” assertion Union?

saywhat?

October 16th, 2010
2:54 pm

Let seniors who feel they need the extra $250 apply for it. Those who feel they can get by without it can choose not to apply.

Dusty

October 16th, 2010
2:55 pm

AmVet,

Why don’t you get off your Bash Bush Brigade? It is repetitious, tiresome and false.

Bush sent troops to Iraq & Afghanistan because he wanted to protect this country from terrorists and terrorism.

Obama has followed in his footsteps and is taking the same preventions..

Oor troops are still in Iraq and Afghaistan and some of them are Democrats and some are Republicans. They are all fighting for the USA.

It is about time you stop denigrating our troops while trying to insult our former president. The Taliban might like your view but I can’t think of anybody else except a few who have your attitude.

Who don’t YOU think about it for a change?

roldawg70

October 16th, 2010
2:55 pm

it could be justified to help stimulate the economy. the consumer spending is the biggest driver of the american economy. and in my opinion, and others a whole lot smarter than me, the stimulus package was way to small.
though in the long run the money would probably be best spent on infrastructure. which is sorely needed.

Union

October 16th, 2010
3:04 pm

im sorry amvet.. lost friends while clinton was in office.. service related deaths.. clinton was what? oh a dem.. so your little rant about repugs and war is stupid..

getalife.. i know obama tells you.. but im not your daddy and i wasnt here to take care of you.. in addition to being.. look it up.. in addition to being used as a line of credit.. we have already reached the tipping point..way ahead of schedule

@@

October 16th, 2010
3:16 pm

Man, things get more confusing every day.

LOS ANGELES — The Department of Justice says it intends to prosecute marijuana laws in California aggressively even if state voters approve an initiative on the Nov. 2 ballot to legalize the drug.

Are they gonna enforce ‘em like they do the immigration laws in Arizona?

Are they gonna sue California?

@@

October 16th, 2010
3:23 pm

AmVet:

Left=a future for the troops that involves living

Last I checked, the casualty rates in Afghanistan are and will exceed those in Iraq. Obama’s good war vs Bush’s bad war???

Nice to see you admit you’re a leftist though.

Dave R.

October 16th, 2010
3:25 pm

Jackie, re: your 12:21?

“@Dave R
Take a look at this to determine if your point is not valid.”

My point is incredibly valid. You reference a website that talks about the fallacy of the health care reform as proposed BEFORE even being passed. I’m talking about the REALITY following passage. Almost every benefit we were told about before passage was a lie. Saving costs? Nope. Costs are still expected to increase, even more so now that it has passed. Lower costs to businesses? Nope. You can keep your existing policy? Nope. Especially lower income people who can’t afford to lose their coverage and can’t afford more expensive ones. Cutting the deficit? Nope. CBO came out 2 months later and said “Ooops, we goofed! Higher deficits with this plan.

Try reality, Jackie. It’s what the rest of us live in.

Dusty

October 16th, 2010
3:31 pm

@@.

I’d say California is for crazies but I think you grew up there. Always exceptions, huh???

Saw a show on TV about maijuana and they showed huge farms in Northern California with full grown crops of marijuana. If anybody is enforcing laws banning marjuana I don’t know where they are looking. Sure are lots of people developing eye problems there. All of them need the soothing marijuana to help them.

By the way, doesn’t Monds say he will work to legalize m’juana? I think so.

Off to the store…..

Mick

October 16th, 2010
3:33 pm

dusty

Your hero george bush made choices that set this country into bankruptcy and death. Iraq was a poor choice for war. Don’t believe me? Read Gen. hugh shelton’s commentary. Yes, we lost 3000 americans on that tragic day. Bush had a moment when the whole world was empathetic. Instead he chose war and went along with the lies of selling it. Result: Hundreds of thousands iraqi dead along with 4000 of our soldiers. This tragic war has all but guaranteed that we will have created more terrorists that hate us far into the future. We had saddam boxed in, instead it has cost us blood and treasure. Shooting from the hip and the bullet has ricochet right back. Those bastards with their cowardly promotion of torture after the war took this country off the pedestal. The grand architect of this betrayal was none other than dick cheney, the man who chose himself for vice.

Tamika

October 16th, 2010
3:36 pm

I agree. This $250 proposal is pre election, free spending pandering. The democrats ought to be doubly ashamed: first for proposing a dumb, wasteful and baseless idea and second for not having anything better. This kind of proposal is a sign of intellectual bankruptcy.

@@

October 16th, 2010
3:42 pm

I’d say California is for crazies but I think you grew up there. Always exceptions, huh???

There are those who would argue with Dusty…my husband among them. Friends too!

Anyhoo, I’ve always wondered how marijuana in the workplace would play out. ‘Ya smoke it after work–it shows up in a test the next day. Smoke it on Sunday–shows up in a drug test on Monday.

Surely employers won’t want their employees high on the job. Consider the liabilities.

Dave R.

October 16th, 2010
3:48 pm

Mick, as usual, you paint with such a broad brush that you miss the point of reality.

Bush’s policies were only part of the blame for increased deficits. The CONGRESS (run by both Republican and Democrats) were the ones that got us into this spending mess. More so the Democrats with their meddling in free markets by mandating expanded credit to those who really couldn’t afford it.

Iraq was, and remains a mistake. Afghanistan initially wasn’t, but we’ve stayed far too long there.

Now, perhaps you can tell us what lies Bush and Co. told regarding Iraq. Remember that a lie is something told when you know it to be false when you tell it. Since I’m sure you were in all the classified briefings the President got each and every day, you can actually back up your assertion that Bush lied about anything in Iraq, right?

Again, I think it was an incredibly stupid mistake to go in there, however, since I wasn’t at any of the briefings (and I suspect neither were you) I wouldn’t be so presumptuous as to accuse a President of the United States of lying when I have no proof of same.

silverfox

October 16th, 2010
3:51 pm

Jay Bookman it’s obvious you don’t do the weekly shopping for food, insurance water electric etc or you would see the price of all fresh produce has gone up, and for canned and package items no the price has not gone up, you just get less for your money, 16oz now becomes 14oz I bet you would be the first to to moan if you paid for a gallon of gas and got less. get a life you moron.

Mick

October 16th, 2010
3:57 pm

dave r.

Mushroom clouds anyone? Remember, the president has the bully pulpit and the buck stops right there. They had to create a case for the war and it was so flimsy that even you figured it out. So why does the president make that choice? Look at iran now, prancing around like an annoying gnat because of bush’s choice. What about torture in iraq? Tell me another war where our soldiers were doing that to prisoners? The president was duped by cheney and co. that will be his legacy of this mistake. Reality sometimes stings.

@@

October 16th, 2010
4:10 pm

Mick:

What about torture in iraq? Tell me another war where our soldiers were doing that to prisoners?

According to this article in “The Daily Beast”, pretty much all of them.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-13/how-torture-helped-win-wwii/

getalife

October 16th, 2010
4:12 pm

Which part of “link” do you not understand Union?

Mick

October 16th, 2010
4:16 pm

@@

Not the american revolution, thats the standard we need to live up to. Washington had strict policy concerning no torture against the redcoats. That’s uniquely american, why do you think we should settle for anything less?

getalife

October 16th, 2010
4:20 pm

Torture is a war crime and we prosecuted the Japanese after WWII.

Then we did it and covered it up.

There is no sheriff in town so boys will be boys and do e v i l things.

AmVet

October 16th, 2010
4:29 pm

“It is repetitious, tiresome…”

Then QUIT reading them.

But that ain’t ever gonna happen because stop yourself from doing so and we both know it.

AmVet

October 16th, 2010
4:33 pm

“so your little rant about repugs and war is stupid..”

No, your attributing the use of the word repugs to me is stupid. Not to mention an outright lie…

@@

October 16th, 2010
4:41 pm

Mick:

The Civil War (see Lincoln’s letter to Erastus Corning)

WWI

WWII

Vietnam

It’s in a song.

That’s just the way it is
Some things will never change
That’s just the way it is

But you go on believin’

O.K., I changed that last line. It’s actually But don’t you believe them

War’s messy, but inevitable nonetheless.

@@

October 16th, 2010
4:45 pm

AmVet:

Then QUIT reading them.

Not my fight, but if conservatives were to quit reading them, you’d just come in under another name to praise them as erudite, lucid, spot on, or nailed.

Mick

October 16th, 2010
4:52 pm

@@

**War’s messy** I think so, then find a cleaner, smarter way………..in iraq, the mess is what we got in spades…were it worth it in retrospect?

RW-(the original)

October 16th, 2010
4:57 pm

Is it true that Congress has already taken up a resolution declaring Jay B the Columnist of No?

@@

October 16th, 2010
5:05 pm

Mick:

I think so, then find a cleaner, smarter way

Drones? They kill indiscriminately, ‘ya know. That’s what Obama said, then he upped their usage.

Something you may have overlooked when it came to the American Revolution. Religion was at it’s core. The left would just as soon be rid of that minor inconvenience.

Then what?

Mick

October 16th, 2010
5:17 pm

**Religion was at it’s core**

How so?

@@

October 16th, 2010
5:27 pm

Mick:

It was more than a war of resistance to taxation without representation. How and to what audience would the battle cry go out?

Thomas Paine’s “Common Sense” sermon….yes….it was a sermon of sorts because Paine knew wherein the people were strongest. They were strongest in their faith.

I’d love to stay and chat, but I’ve got guests coming.

Union

October 16th, 2010
5:34 pm

getalife.. i know you feel that someone else should take care of you and your needs.. but if you can learn how to do something for yourself.. its actually much better for you in the long run.. the old teach a man to fish routine..

getalife

October 16th, 2010
5:35 pm

“The left would just as soon be rid of that minor inconvenience.”

Drama queen :)

getalife

October 16th, 2010
5:37 pm

Never mind Union.

If you can’t provide a link, you got nothing.

@@

October 16th, 2010
5:44 pm

Getalife:

Drama queen

So I’ve been told. Would you like me to perform in leather and chains?

(ISH)

Mick:

With this one, I’m out.

One excerpt and a few observations from Paine’s “Common Sense”:

“Time makes more converts than reason.”

He goes on to assault the monarchy by proclaiming that all kings are blasphemous usurpers claiming sovereign authority over we humans, an authority that rightfully belongs only to God.

He talked about how the Jews of the OT rejected monarchical government which left we, the chosen, to fight on.

He asserted that the colonies were an asylum of religious liberty, implying that Americans must pass from argument to arms to protect freedom of conscience for religious dissenters.

An artful craftsman, or crafty man, that Paine.

Union

October 16th, 2010
6:02 pm

getalife.. i have plenty of links.. i have links that say obama is a muslim.. links for bush is a descendant of hitler.. bigfoot lives in south georgia… which one of those do you want? a link is useless.. educate yourself..

Scout

October 16th, 2010
6:09 pm

Headline (AP) “TEHRAN, Iran — An Iranian judge has ordered the amputation of the hand of a man who confessed to robbing a candy shop, local media reported Saturday.”

Ah, the wonderful world of Islam # 502.

ronald

October 16th, 2010
6:12 pm

Scout- Thanks for posting this. Thats an incredible story. Some day, even the likes of kamchak will stop defending stoning.