Nazi hobbyist as congressional candidate? And it’s OK?

Sooooo …Bookman goes all the way to Ohio to blast a Republican candidate. Musta been next on the list. True, that the man has an unusual hobby but is it illegal? NO. Does it sound good ? No. You can even impersonate the devil and it isn’t illegal.

I don’t plan to vote in Ohio . Maybe Bookman will. . He’s mighty torn up about a strange hobby especially if it is a Republican’s strange hobby. Bookman’’s hobby is running down Republicans. Is that illegal? No. Does it sound good? NO. I guess there will always be a few strange people in this world. .Sooo what’s new???

OH well. Bookman got his jollies. So what’s next? Palin or Gingrich?

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I encourage anyone reading this to follow the links and see what a non-story and ridiculous smear campaign this is. It’s really sad that Jay B got sucked into it.

Look! Over there! Nazis! They’re eeeevil! Sorry, but I’m looking over here, at journalists who should be ashamed of their shoddy political hackery.

Amen

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Dusty,

I think I’ll wait until tomorrow to cross my fingers and such. The Braves, fresh off their thrilling comeback, get today off.

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Our next Congressman!

Iott beats Kaptur who dresses like a Mexican border “puta”.

Think I’m kidding. I’m not.

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Dusty,

Can you cons go further right than the n a z i s?

Ya’ll need to get a grip and start acting like Americans.

Geez.

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“So shall we enlist you among those who say this is OK? You’d be comfortable voting for the guy?”

But it’s o.k. for a Democrat senator to have actually BEEN in the KKK.

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I will go on record to say electing rw radicals will make our government worse.

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Now my day is ruined. I looked at the sports section and I thought it ……. Oh well. guess I’ll sit here and play whackamollly on Republicans with Bookman. He never gives up HIS game and keeps hoping to win . Darkest before dawn and all that for Dems…still hoping all indications for losing are wrong. Whoopee!!. David Brooks was so good last night. He said that it looks like Dems are going to lose everywhere!! Whoopee!!

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Looks like either UGA is back on track or UT is still trying to perfect the art of showering.

Please let this actually involve Derek Dooley stripping down naked to show them this, or if not at least let it involve Dooley correcting unreal and absurd things Tennessee football players were doing instead of bathing, like turning on the water, eating the soap believing it was a magical antibiotic tablet of some sort, and then turning off the water and drying off under the hand dryers.

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Jay B,

I can’t recall criticising you for not writing about Rangel.

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Del:

If you’re out there this is great. Some things never change.

Be sure and watch (it happens quickly) at the 21 second mark. No false advertising here. Ha !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xWA1rp50rs

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Jay B,

Please do. You know how you and I both like context.

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Scout,

Would you agree that this n a z i wantabe is a insult to Americans that fought and died to end the n a z i s?

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It’s sad that Bookman has nothing better to do with his time.

And he’s just jealous that he can’t dress up and pretend he was on Joseph Goebbels staff, spitting out crap propaganda all day long. Like he does now.

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Obama meets Jack Webb:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRYAqekvj4I

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getalife:

I would agree that you are an insult to every veteran who served in Vietnam and especially the 58,000 + on that wall.

Back to football ……………………….

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popeye:

The respect of one soldier to another soldier he fought. That has nothing to do with either “cause”.

It’s the politicians who usually get us into these messes.

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Nice dodge Scout.

You could have gone with RW’s “Like I said, you’ve got nothing.” when you get intellectually destroyed.

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This guy clearly doesn’t fit the mold that Jay wants involved in his healthcare,retirement, home utility, health, carbon, lifestyle, transportation, mattress, drug decisions…And most other decisions.

But he, along with every other demo and repug statist, invited him to make those decisions. Jay welcomes centralized authority. Why complain?

I sure wouldn’t want to be Jewish in the future. Some people never learn.

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RW, are you freaking kidding me, a disclaimer on the web page? are you a combat veteran? I am not. I have met, interviewed a few, and have family members and friends who have served in every U.S. engagement from Bastogne to Afghanistan. I have read over 200 military history books. guess what, some combat veterans are not worthy of “respect” or “honore”. some, (and I would venture to guess a whole lot of the Waffen SS) were sociopaths and criminals. one of the most candid vets I ever met was a Ranger in Vietnam and he lamented the whole “warrior” culture in the U.S. (especially “re-enactors” and “paintball”. he said; “these f**king a**holes dress up in camoflauge and run around like children playing war, because the missed all the excitement a Gettysburg or Southeast Asia.”

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Scout, so, you like to watch others compete on the gridiron? I guess this guy just likes a different team? paging Dr. Freud.

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Jay Bookman,

Keep up the propaganda war, the only one in which you have served. This is nothing but a group of men playing soldier probably because they haven’t done the real thing . I find it pretty silly and problably would not vote for lott. Such a hobby is not illegal but I don’t think it indicates good judgement.’

Right now we have a Congress led by Democrats. We don’t need Republicans who have even less sense than the Democrats. Suppose you let the citizens of Ohio make their own judgments about poeple who play war games. They may find him one who fights for the rights of people in Ohio. I will let them decide.

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Jay, here’s a crazy idea. Why don’t you pretend you’re an investigative reporter and actually (gasp!) interview the man. Wouldn’t you feel more comfortable making judgement if you got his side of the story firsthand? Oops, what am I thinking. He’s a Repub and you have sworn to vent your spleen on every Repub.

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Illegal aliens smuggling drugs into America- OK, Muslims planning attacks in America-OK, man PRETENDING to be a Nazi- not OK.

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joe,

Lets pretend the n a zi want to be is Alan Grayson.

Your thoughts?

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Getalife,

I guess you do hate Germans ’cause one shot your father Maybe the family of the German your father killed feel the same way about Americans. But those wars are over.

I have members of my family who fought in both world wars. Neither of them hate Germans or Japanese. They don’t even talk much about their experiences. It was a bad time for both but they understood the causes. They moved on.

Maybe you ought to try “moving on” sometimes. Republicans fought just like Democrats in those wars. They fight together now. The fact that a “journalist” would use soldier GAMES as political propaganda to incite old hatreds is beyond good ethics. It is a trash move..

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Wow, did you know there are movies and TV shows where people dress up like Nazis, and Japs, and Redcoats, and Indians, and the Viet Cong? Can you believe it? Let’s ban them !

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Dusty,

I never said I hated anybody.

This is a clear case of partisan fog thinking.

It is not a issue of gop vs dem.

It is a issue of right vs wrong.

If this guy was a dem, you would be outraged and you know it.

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Here is the disclaimer on the website http://www.wiking.org/:

Disclaimer: This page or anyone involved in its creation, or members of reenactment groups listed here, are in no way affiliated with real, radical political organizations (i.e., KKK, Aryan Nation, American Nazi Party, etc.) and do not embrace the philosophies and actions of the original NSDAP (Nazi party), and wholeheartedly condemn the atrocities which made them infamous. May the victims of this unspeakable horror rest in peace. As we portray the German combat soldier, we are only interested in recreating his daily life, furthering our understanding of what it took to be a soldier, and at the same time having fun reliving history. We honor the men (and women) who really experienced the war, and we salute their courage and loyalty to put their lives on the line in defense of their native soil, no matter what nationality or government.

Racism or anytype of embracement of Nazi idealogy of any kind is strictly prohibited by this reenactment unit and our parent organization WWIIHRS, please review our disclaimer on the main page!

http://www.wiking.org/

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I have a buddy who has always been fascinated with the Third Reich and the life of Hitler. He owns a lot of books and Nazi paraphernalia. He is also in a mixed race marriage and voted for President Obama. On the other hand, I suspect there are many Democrats of all creeds/races/persuasions who are uncomfortable in the company of other creeds/races/persuasions. Stratifying humanity is tiresome.

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All this time the tea partiers been calling Obama a nazi socialist and I don’t see him anywhere in this picture!!

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Stratifying humanity is tiresome.

Politicians, however, invite this kind of scrutiny when they announce their intention to run for public office.

The press is part of that vetting process.

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BADA

Say hello to don Jacobo Lehrner for me! Have a good time, take care and enjoy! Can’t wait to hear from the adventures you’re sure to have.

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k

Jay is not pathetic, left wing nor a Jew…

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Please Kamchak. Anyone with sense knows the real motive here: lob the “Nazi” grenade (again) in the direction of conservatives/republicans and see how many voters we can sway. Of course, this is not the only case nor will it be the last. It is a tired well-worn play by libs. Given the bleak political outlook for you guys no one is surprised.

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k

Jay is from the goyische Scalawag Bookmans (or is that Bookmen) of Virginia to the best of my information. Does Nix sound Jewish to you?

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RW, are you freaking kidding me

p n-c,

Is there any particular reason that every time you address me that’s the opening line?

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The main tatic of the Democrats in the next few weeks is to distract voters from the poor economy.

-The nation’s payrolls dropped for the fourth straight month, shedding a more-than-expected net
-total of 95,000 jobs.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130423805

The only reason unemployment did not go up is fewer people are looking for work.

Right now Attila the Hun could beat a Democrat.

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k
Well, I am Jewish and Jay is not. Both Bookman and Nix are fine, old Anglo-Saxon surnames. You need to get a new scorecard.

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Kamchak

October 9th, 2010
3:47 pm
Liberals painting conservatives/republicans as Nazis…

This was more of a self-portrait.

But don’t let that get in the way of your poutrage.
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So would the left complaining about the right labeling Obama a Socialist or a Communist be a self portrait.

Always be careful of the argument you make because they can be used against you. Iot-Nazi(even though the group has a disclaimer against) Obama-Wright (even though he condemn Wright).

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“House Republicans scrub Nazi-reenacting Rich Iott from their ‘Young Guns’ list of top Republican House contenders in 2010.

–Josh Marshall”

Mission Accomplished.

Go SC.

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I sure hope SoCo isn’t in front of a television somewhere.

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I’ll bet this candidate is being intensely questioned about his strange hobby. The voters in Ohio will decide if his explanation is satisfactory enough to deserve their vote. Strange hobbies aren’t a disqualifier for public office. This could be a valid concern or it could be a smear job in an attempt to turn the election. Jay’s commentary doesn’t prove anything one way or the other.

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Hi Jay,
I respect the fact that you dig out little known facts to bring
attention to issues such as this candidates background. I wonder
though, do you look as hard for ‘truth’ such as this with
Democratic candidates? Can you cite some examples?

thanks,
kendall loper

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Ooh…33-13 Illinois. Now I understand the foul mood.

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Josef, 4:22

Are you posting undercover bad words on a fine sunny Saturday? All of us should be outside. Do you know any “squirrel”? I have one I would like to insult.

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Pat Sajak weighs in and sort of on topic.

You don’t have to spend a lot of search engine time to come up with all sorts of unflattering portrayals of Conservatives. Ignorant. Racist. Divisive. Uneducated. Superstitious.

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Dusty, the miners could be on to something. They can only be rescued if they can fit in the escape capsule. Maybe they could start the ‘Chilean Miner’s Diet Program’ ™. Bury fat people underground and the only way out is to be able to fit in the capsule !!

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How would you like to be the last one to be rescued? Watching your friends go up one by one, hoping that nothing gets hung up, or that the hole doesn’t cave in?

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BADA,

Now that’s a thought (you must be very lean). What will they actually do with the fat ones? Leave ‘em behind until they are thin, as you sugggested? The thought of getting stuck in a pipe half mile underground gives me acute claustrophobia.!!!!! But Chilian Miners diet? If necessary, I will stick with Jenny Craig (without the pipe)..

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Well NASA was helping with their rescue. I am sure they were on a very lean diet, protein heavy and low calorie. They were also exercising to keep muscle tone and to lose weight. That hole is very small tho. Talk about motivation.

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BADA

And when you see the films of them coming up, how can you be that upbeat? That’s a tough lot down there…

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BADA

Protein heavy and exercise? Hope it wasn’t beans…okay, okay bad joke.

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josef, beans may help, it will put pressure behind them. No open flames, please.

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Jay

October 9th, 2010
2:38 pm
Clearly, given that comment at 2:33, our “guest” would have no problem whatsoever with Iott dressing up like a racist. It might even commend him.

As to RW, step up and declare yourself: Would this information be enough to dissuade you from voting for Iott, if he was on your ballot?

Yes or no. I have given my answer; what’s yours?
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First, you wouldn’t have voted for him anyway so that is pure baloney argument. Your really just trying to smear him.

I would have to say it would affect my vote but would not be a determining factor just like Obama association with Wright affected my vote but was not a determining factor. In fact now Obama association with Wright wouldn’t have any affect because I have see more of what Obama stands for which seems to contradict what Wright stated.

A more relevant factor for me is in the case of Deal where it seems he has done some unethical business deals with the state.

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P.S.

I guess this means I can’t watch any more reruns of “Hogan’s Heroes” ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8xs3ZxBpG8

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Damn, I hope no one had to call 911 to get somebody out of a dryer ! MY BAD…..

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Dusty,

Shotgun will get them.

Then you can eat them.

It’s a win win for you.

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getalife
Unmentionabl and the boys used to go squirrel hunting…a bit of male bonding I didn’t appreciate so much…and I especially didn’t appreciate them trying to sneak my cast iron stewpot! I keep trying to warn these little b*ggers in the trees hereabouts that they don’t know what they foolin with!

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Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 – 1873)

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Josef – speaking of the Chilean miners…everytime I see a report or comment about them, I think “I wouldn’t want to be the last man waiting to be brought up”

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“Absolutely, and on numerous occasions. so there is no reason for your caveat”

“To err is human. To forgive, divine”

But some people, who profess to be Christians, can’t seem to get that forgiveness part.

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Kamchak:

KKK spelled backwards is KKK.

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The point Kamchak? A revered liberal, “WILLINGLY” donning the uniform of the KKK–not as a “hobbyist,” but as a real live member of one of the most “vilified” organizations in history–who was continuosly reelected by liberals, becoming the longest serving U.S. Senator, despite this past–and you don’t see the point?

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N-GA

October 9th, 2010
4:54 pm
In case you need to be reminded, read up on Nazi atrocities – http://hitlernews.cloudworth.com/holocaust-atrocities.php – then decide if it is okay to dress up in the uniform of the Waffen SS.

There are plenty of re-enactment groups to join without having to dress up like Nazis. If you get inside the heads of these “role-players” you will find some strange attitudes and likely stranger behaviors.
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-Unbelievable! How many Nazi apologists post here?
I have read most of the articles and I have not seen a person who appear to be Nazi apologists. I do not believe it is a good thing to dress up as a NAZI. In fact I believe the guy has allot of explaining to do especially to vets and Jewish people. However, I also believe that people make mistakes in their lives many time without realizing the full ramifications of what they are doing. I had an Uncle who fought in the Pacific who would be greatly offended by someone who was a Japanese soldier reenactor but at the same time I believe what is more important is what the guy believes in and what he thinks.

-There are plenty of re-enactment groups to join without having to dress up like Nazis. If you get
-inside the heads of these “role-players” you will find some strange attitudes and likely stranger
-behaviors.

Alright, to me this behavior seems strange but at the same time if we condemn everyone for strange behavior we would have to condemn everyone.

I personally believe the civil war was one of the greatest tragedies in American history. Why would we want to glorify it? But that is just my take on it.

In WWII 20 million Russians died at the hands of the Germans. Russian had the most loss of life than any other country. They were not fight for communism they were fighting for Russia. I think reenacting such a tragedy is sad. But again that is just my take on it.

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josef,

I shot a squirrel in my back yard.

The lady next door screamed , “You shot my pet squirrel.”.

I busted out laughing and told her I did not know he was your pet.

Shot a 7mm Mexican/American war rifle at a red woodpecker in my back yard too.

Missed him but blew the top off his tree .

That gun can kick.

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TGT @ 5:33 :

Thank you.

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“You mean forgive liberals but not conservatives”

I forgive anyone who shows sincere regret for their actions AND who shows, by their subsequent actions that they HAVE repudiated their previous behavior and opinions. You, on the other hand, seem to have a problem with that.

And I know you won’t find anything…but I wish I could watch you TRY to find ANYTHING from me that is comparable to your repeatedly bringing up the KKK and Senator Byrd.

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And Rational, you are exactly right. Our president hung out with the terrorist Ayers and attended the “church” of the white hating racist Wright. But Jay has no problem whatsoever with this (which anyone that has read Jay would expect). I think a president is a little above a Congressman/Woman, isn’t it? The current administration is circling the drain and is pretty much done but unfortunately, he is going to take the rest of his with him to the sewer. Biden is by far the biggest buffoon that has ever had the title of Vice President. The mere fact that Obama chose him says worlds about Obama himself. In this case, the “Vice” should really be looked at more carefully and in terms of the definition of the word rather than the title. I mean, the man has to be on drugs. Did you hear his latest?

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But, but, Byrd! Ayers! that colored minister guy who said “goddamn!”

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Squirrel tastes a lot like dark meat chicken, unless it’s been eating poplar burrs, then it tastes like poplar burrs.

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“but you would have a hard time getting them to give Dick Cheney (whom I despise, incidentally) or Bob Barr (whom I am not overly fond of) one whit of the same defense for their own repentance vis a vis their earlier stands on DADT and DOMA…”

Because they aren’t constantly being mentioned…that means “we liberals” haven’t forgiven them? I can forgive them for that, but the other things for which they have NOT show repentence vastly overrides that issue. And just how often does a “liberal” bring them up in discussions that have to do with gay marriage…as Senator Byrd gets brought up when it comes to racism?

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Doggone

And why aren’t they brought up when the discussion turns to DOMA, DADT? And it may override the other issues to you, but not to me any more than did Byrd’s repentence. He stood to gain by taking that stance. They did not. That means something to me. And the we liberals bring up Cheney on a regular basis, not Barr so much, he having pretty much joined the forgotten brigade.

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HillBilly,

And; how do poplar burrs taste? Like when I burn collard greens?

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A revered liberal, “WILLINGLY” donning the uniform of the KKK–not as a “hobbyist,”…

It is my understanding that Byrd began apologizing for his association with the KKK many years ago, so the photo that you linked of him as an old man in KKK garb is suspect. Photoshop?

Despite his past?

Whaddaya want?

Do you want me to denounce a dead man for a past association that he had apologized for on numerous occasions?

OK fine, he was a real asshat for associating with such a group.

With the parallel that you are weakly trying to draw, are you saying that Mr. Iott has apologized for years with his association and somehow liberals have continuously brought it up despite his numerous apologies?

Byrd as a “liberal”?

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I am perfectly willing to accept Byrd’s apologies for a youthful indiscretion. He was 43 in 1960.

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RW

Yes, I knew that, but I was having fun with it all the same!!!! You caught it!

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“And why aren’t they brought up when the discussion turns to DOMA, DADT?”

Are you saying you WANT us to bring up their past sins EVERY TIME that gay marriage comes up? Like Byrd’s past sins are brought up when the subject is racism? Are you REALLY saying that?

” And it may override the other issues to you, but not to me”

Of course not to you, I wouldn’t expect it to. But I don’t see YOU bringing them up EVERY TIME in a positive manner either.

“And the we liberals bring up Cheney on a regular basis”

In discussions of gay marriage? Not that I’ve noticed – either positively OR negatively.

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josef,

The other thing is that Harry Byrd wasn’t even a candidate and he got more electoral votes than Mondale did as the Democrat(ic) nominee in 1984.

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RW
Tells you something, doesn’t it?

I was going fishing with my Byrd comments. I’ve used it for bait before and, lo and behold, if there weren’t those who came in apolgizing for Robert! Now that you’ve took my can of worms, I won’t be able to use it anymore. Spoil sport.

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josef,

In a few days you’ll be able to use it again. Short attention span theater being what it is.

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Fight against the “Bolshevik scourge” eh?

Just substitute “Jewish” for “Bolshevik” and you have the key to unlock how this mentality operates.

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Dang. If I’m going to be twitting do I need to go through Twitter and would I be twitting or tweeting?

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I don’t know what jew people are so upset about. Can you nazi that it is just a hobby? Some people like to relive the past. I wouldn’t be russian to conclusions without all the facts. They have every reich to do what they wish. If they want to act like an aSS , it is their business.

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For Dusty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K16fG1sDagU

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Ever notice the operational effectiveness of the Wehrmacht or the Panzer Divisions? Mind you, I’m all for Nazis enjoying the heat of Hell – but their Officer Corps knew how to propagate war.

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“It is my understanding that Byrd began apologizing for his association with the KKK many years ago…”

It is my understanding that the Wiking site posts a pretty clear disclaimer (RW @ 2:42) condemning real Nazis and their supporters. It is also pretty clear that Lott participates in other reenactments (Steven @ 3:43). Yet you libs want to use this to gain political points–not only against Lott, but the GOP in general. (Given the many Nazi references directed towards the GOP by libs–some of which I’ve already referenced–this is the not-so-subtle attempt here.) Again: This is a lame and desperate attempt by a party facing dire political consequences in a matter of days.

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I’m late to this saur braten fry, but I thought the GOP didn’t like Socialists? HA! Anybody and anything for that seat in Congress, I guess. What Maroons, Bugs Bunny…Ha!!

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RW

The Bruin’s watching…be very careful…

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rpIBmJctShM/Rv1-ac0LWqI/AAAAAAAAACc/2JJp9ZjJyOM/s400/cartoon154.jpg

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josef @ 7:07

Just an oversight on my part. There are several more we could list.

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Abortion illegal? Why shouldn’t it be Amvet?

How, in the name of all that is reasonable, can all of you who claim to be “champions for science” –standing fervently behind the flimsy “science” of man-made global warming and Darwinian evolution–while ignoring what science has revealed about the unborn?

Unlike the above mentioned pseudo-sciences, there is overwhelming real evidence supporting the pro-life position when it comes to a child in its mother’s womb. In fact, few things in science are as well documented as is the life in the womb for a baby. With ultrasound and Doppler machines, as well as other technology, one can monitor the life of a child in the womb from very near the beginning until birth. Yet foolish liberals ignore this clear evidence and scream about “choice” and a woman’s “right to control her body.”

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Twitting about eating that Tweeter.

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Hillbilly
Certainly there are many more. I have my own particular interests in Camp Douglass and Ft. Delaware.

I have never quite understood why Andersonville emerges as the iconic and symbolic when the death rates from outright murder, disease, and starvation were proportionately higher in a number of northern pow camps when there was plenty of food and medicine available.

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“I have never quite understood why Andersonville emerges as the iconic and symbolic . . .”

Because the North won?

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“there would be no gripe from them about Social Security or Medicare for the elderly.”

I’m sorry, but my copy of the Constitution doesn’t mention anything about the elderly getting government-paid vacations for life starting at age 65.

Does yours?

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“I have never quite understood why Andersonville emerges as the iconic and symbolic . . .”

Because the North won?

The winners write the history books, in all conflicts. Only the losing camp commander experienced the noose, though.

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Hillbilly
And Ole US Grant, author of General Order #11 got to be President and put on a currency note…

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TGT, for all your yabbbering, you haven’t specified how you would make first-trimester elective abortions illegal. Please tell us what kind of criminal penalties you’d advocate.

And while you’re at it, why don’t you hazard a guess as to how much public support you’d get amongst the public for throwing women and their docs in jail (or worse.)

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First on the third!

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“Trouble with the Pro-Life faction is that they really aren’t. They are just pro fetus. They don’t give a wank about life. If they did, there would be no gripe from them about Social Security or Medicare for the elderly. They would demand programs and support for the betterment of the lives they say they are trying to save”

And they would also be anti-war and anti-death penalty

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Dave R

I Don’t Know’s on third…

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josef:

Funny stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShMA85pv8M

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“Abortion always seems to be THEIR first choice.”

Actually, you couldn’t even begin to back that up. It’s the WOMAN’S choice. Adoption or abortion, or carrying the pregnancy to term and raising the child…it’s HER CHOICE.

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josef:

You are what I’ve come to appreciate as jay’s exceptional left-winger.

(ISH)

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I just try to live according to my principles and not just the latest memo…

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NORMAL

You have to read it backward and listen for the hidden messages!

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TGT, thanks for the non-response.

So, *again* you would advocate that these women who have illegal abortions to get away with murder?

Or do you advocate that they face justice – go to jail or be put to death?

Surely you are not proposing that you are opposed to the rule of law?

And if it is as it seems and you are, then what is the point?

Imprisoning the doctors, nurses, etc who perform them?

Or do they too get a free pass for “breaking the law”?

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josef nix

October 9th, 2010
7:50 pm

I think I must have to stand on my head, too!

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Del,

That squirrel revival was funny. It was far from the truth but not beyond today’s super squirrels. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they did show up in church nibbling on communion wafers. When they start preaching, I’m leaving.

josef,

Bookman’s love affair with Palin seems to have cooled. I think he has decided that she is not going to run for anything. He doesn’t waste much time on non-runners. To run or not to run? That is the question.

Oh where are my darling Braves tonight? LIving it up and ready to fight!! Go Braves (tomorrow)!!!

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DUSTY

Our squirrels are Catholic and follow church doctrine on birth control…

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AmVet: You did read my last post, right?

I’ll try again, using the words of another: “Today, not one proposed abortion ban criminalizes the woman who has an abortion. In fact, measures like the infamous South Dakota abortion ban of 2006 made no mention of her–only of the person performing it. The doctor is the one subjected to jail time and fines. The doctor is the only person these laws aim to punish.”

Normal: Man you libs are slow today. You hinted at the hypocrisy of pro-lifers because of their opposition to various govt. social programs. I was simply pointing out that for most of the history of this nation, Americans got along well without such programs. AND they certainly were not dying to the tune of tens of millions per decade as have those in the womb since Roe v. Wade. In other words, your attempt at labeling pro-lifers as hypocrites was quite lame.

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Thanks, AmVet

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Normal:

The adoption process is too complicated. Rudy Giuliani, who was alright by my standards, put forth measures in NYC that would simplify the process. The number of abortions decreased. Rudy, however, has and is pro-choice to the best of my knowledge.

I’ll never forget some woman from NARAL who came out in protest of Rudy. She said the average age of children being adopted was somewhere between 5 and 8 so he couldn’t claim babies were being adopted.

My initial thought was…….”HECK, any child being adopted is a good thing.”

She, being a spokesperson for NARAL was pro-choice. Why she had a problem with Rudy was beyond me. I guess she was more into protecting abortion than she was into advocating for children.

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“Why she had a problem with Rudy was beyond me”

If you have repeated the story accurately…it doesn’t sound like she had a problem with HIM, only with how he was characterizing the results in the change in adoption rules.

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left wing

In his work, The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, the acclaimed Czech dissident Milan Kundera, writing in exile, recalls a conversation he had with one of his former professors who was dismissed from his post following the Soviet invasion ending the Prague Spring of 1968:
“‘The first step in liquidating a people,’ said Hubl, ‘is to erase its memory. Destroy its books, its culture, its history. Then have somebody write new books, manufacture a new culture, invent a new history. Before long the nation will begin to forget what it is and what it was. The world around them will forget even faster.’
“‘What about language?’
“‘Why would anyone bother to take it from us? It will soon be a
matter of folklore and die a natural death.’
Was that hyperbole dictated by utter despair?
Or is it true that a nation cannot cross a desert of organized forgetting?
None of us knows what will be. One thing, however, is certain: in moments of clairvoyance the Czech nation can glimpse its own death at close range. Not as an accomplished fact, not as the inevitable future, but as a perfectly concrete possibility. Its death is at its side.”

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DUSTY

But do they invite you to the bris?

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I had forgotten about those Dave! (Still not an example of one kind of creature changing into another.)

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Nazi’s?? Really?? TEA party Republicans??? Who would have thought? Has Frau Palin started the New American Fascist Party already???

Remember, it was the massive Corporate support (The Bush Family?) that helped the Nazis take control of Germany.

Fear, Hatred, Distortion, Distraction and Division is all Republicans have to offer America.

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[...] all, they realize that ol’ Rich is just a victim. (CNN) – The Ohio Congressional candidate who has received national attention for a photo [...]

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josef,

No, they did not invite me to a bris and did not send a bottle of Manichevitz either. I forgive the first faux pas but never the second. Resentment still simmers!

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I, for one, would like to see Frau Palin in lederhosen…heh, heh

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Jay

Gay marriage…

Make sure to add The Unbearable Lightness of Being and if it’s Slavic you’re aiming for and the strange times we’re in, two , Jerzy Kosinski’s The Painted Bird and more Tadeusz Borowski’s This Way for the Gas, Ladies and Gentlemen….

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Jay: So there is recorded history of millions (or even thousands) of Americans starving to death, etc. prior to S.S., etc.? Must have missed that in history class.

“As to evolution, it gives us an explanation for why antibiotics and pesticides, etc., lose their effectiveness over time.”

UNBELIEVABLE!!! IKNEW IT!!! (The first example and from the host himself!) (See my 8:09–my wife is my witness as to what I was referring.)

Antibiotic-resistant bacteria, and insecticide-resistant insects are not evidence for Darwinian evolution. The genetic information for these resistances was already present in some of the creatures. They then reproduce more resistant creatures, but this is not an example of one kind of creature changing to another. “In no case have bacteria become resistant through a gain of new information. For example, the PBS series Evolution discussed a deadly strain of TB that has been linked to a patient in a Russian prison who failed to complete his antibiotic treatments. The program makes it clear that the surviving TB organism was already resistant, so this is not evolution.”

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You libs. sure glossed over this one on my ealier post ……………………..

In 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore Bilbo:

“ I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side … Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. ”

— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944,

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Scout…as I’ve said already, for a self-identified Christian you sure seem to have a problem with following the Bible in forgiveness. I thought you claimed you believed EVERYTHING in the Bible?

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TGT, You’re a hoot!
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Scout,
What does 144 have to do with today’s Armed Forces? and who the hell cares about what Byrd said about Black men then? He ended up wrong too, didn’t he? Get your head out of your messkit and look around…it’s 2010, now.

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josef,

You probably already know this, but if you click on “link” below someone’s comment the URL that it jumps to will be a direct link to that particular comment.

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JAY
Wow! What I would give to have been a fly on the wall there!

Not long ago I was asked to name the 10 books which had impressed me the most. The Painted Bird was number one on my list.

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Doggone/GA:

I’ll try to explain it to you one more time
since you are missing the entire point.

This is not about Byrd or forgiveness for him. It is about the liberal hypocrisy of forgiving/ignoring/justifying/looking the other way for liberal candidates but not conservative ones.

Thus, the candiate who wore a German uniform is not qualified but Obama consorting with known, unrepentant terrorists is just fine and dandy.

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The blog seems to be all over the place but that’s okay. On abortion…it’s murder. You can rationalize it anyway you want but it’s still murder. I thought you lib’s we’re against the death penalty. So much for free thinking liberals. If it’s a part of the overall liberal agenda then it has to be acceptable or you’re a lib heretic because the lemming mentality disallows free thinkers.

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Normal:

If you don’t know I can’t help you.

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RW

Hey, I’ve got 820 sick days built up!

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Hey, I’ve got 820 sick days built up!

You building a bridge to retirement?

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“History is written by the victors.”

“Politics is almost as exciting as war, and quite as dangerous. In war you can only be killed once, but in politics many times.”

Winston Churchill

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AmVet: In case you missed something, abortion is always deadly to one person. I have four small kids here, and one we lost during pregnancy. I saw each one of them on ultrasound as they developed and grew in the womb. Women who choose abortions often aren’t given the information and pictures of their babies in the womb. They are deceived into thinking that the children they are carrying are simply “blobs of tissue,” etc. That is why the women who abort their babies shouldn’t necessarily be prosecuted. The abortionists know that they are killing human beings; the mothers often don’t realize what they are doing until it is too late. This is why millions of women live with regret, shame, and guilt over killing their children.

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Beslubbering, beef-witted, barnacles.

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Early night tonight. Feel free to argue about nothing in general – like the original purpose of this particular blog post by Jay.

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DUSTY

Then you are recommending “Metamorphosis?” If so, I concur…

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I think I’ve found a way to continue with the music and stay on topic

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Doggone@9:00pm,
What a deranged way of thinking.

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Hillbilly

qualling motley-minded measle

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qualling motley-minded measle

Well, I never………

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“AmVet: In case you missed something, abortion is always deadly to one person.”

Nope, Mom, I did not miss that.

And though I believe though your heart is in the right place Mom, I also believe your argument excusing the recipient of abortions, because they are deceived, etc. is misguided.

Would you then excuse the deceived, but prosecute the non-deceived? And what other justifications would allow woman A to be prosecuted, and woman B to not be?

If the anti-abortionists insist that the doctor, nurse, etc is going to be jailed for doing the illegal abortion, so should the mother. (With exceptions for rape, incest, etc?)

To do otherwise is to accomplish nothing but create an endless series of black-market abortion providers, which would allow for the same women to get multiple abortions at different deadly locales.

The only rational way to end this holocaust and more importantly, the only rational attempt at justice for all is that ALL parties be punished.

To aver otherwise is capricious and lawfully inconsistent.

Also, know that I have publicly stated repeatedly that I find abortion to be awful. Especially as a means of birth control. I have also stated that I find these draconian, outdated and counter-productive measures, as advocated by TGT and others, to be a “cure” that is worse than the disease…

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HD, sometimes I be slobbering, but now I can more correctly say I am beslubbering!

And should TT’s special teams be called special-ed teams?

RW, just when I think I’ve seen and heard the most bizarre stuff imaginable, somebody ups the ante!

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Hillbilly Deluxe,

There’s always
“You bawling, blasphemous, uncharitable dog”. A little dog bite never hurt.

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Doggone: The science of life in the womb:

• Day 1 – fertilization: all human chromosomes are present; unique human life begins

• Day 6 – embryo begins implanting in the uterus

• Day 22 – heart begins to beat with the child’s own blood, often a different type than the mother’s

• Week 5 – eyes, legs, hands begin to develop

• Week 6 – brain waves detectable; mouth, lips present; fingernails forming

• Week 7 – eyelids, toes form; nose distinct, baby kicking and swimming

• Week 8 – every organ in place; bones begin to replace cartilage, fingerprints begin to form;

• Weeks 9 and 10 – teeth begin to form, fingernails develop; baby can turn head, frown

• Week 11 – baby can grasp objects placed in hand; all organ systems functioning; the baby has fingerprints, a skeletal structure, nerves, and circulation

• Week 12 – the baby has all of the part necessary to experience pain, including the nerves, spinal cord and thalamus; the baby is nearing the end of the first trimester

• Week 17 – baby can have dream (REM) sleep

• Week 20 – the earliest stage at which partial birth abortions are performed

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Doggone/GA: So since some babies have survived at 20 weeks’ gestation, should we make abortions illegal only after that point? You do realize that abortion is legal through all 40 weeks of pregnancy, don’t you? How can you determine when one baby is viable outside the womb and another isn’t?

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“The science of life in the womb”

I already know all of that.

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Hillbilly

“Well, I never……… ”

You need to get out more…

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“How can you determine when one baby is viable outside the womb and another isn’t?”

I didn’t, and don’t, say “viable outside the womb” – I said when the foetus is at the developmental stage where it can be expected to survive outside the womb if normal. That we can take a foetus younger than that and assist it to survive is a miracle of science.

My attitude about is that, whatever the age of the foetus at delivery it is a separate human being at the moment it takes it’s first breath. Whether it subsequently lives or dies, THAT is the moment when it is…irrevocably…separate from the woman and is a person in it’s own right.

If you are will to have every aborted foetus put on lifesupport and are will to pay for it, go for it. Until you are…it is the woman’s choice.

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Doggone/GA @ 9:24: “how would YOU FORCE a woman to carry her unwanted pregnancy to term?”

If abortion were illegal and all abortion clinics were closed, women would deliver their babies. Then if they chose to place them for adoption with one of the thousands of families that are waiting to adopt, they would be blessing many, many families with priceless gifts. However, I believe that a great number of women, once the “crisis” of their pregnancy passed, would see what a precious gift they had been given and would keep and raise their children.

If our culture were one in which life at all stages is valuable and in which people take responsibility for their actions (rather than punishing the innocent for their “mistakes”) abortion would be obsolete.

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If abortion were illegal and all abortion clinics were closed, women would deliver their babies.

Ummm…no.

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Why do non Christians try to cloak themselves with Christianity.
I am not and as far as I can determine will never be a Pacifist.
If you are a Christian you must be a Pacifist. Turn the other
cheek leaves no room for violence to anyone, in any way, at
any time. If you do not practice the teachings of Christ, why
call yourself a Christian?

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“If abortion were illegal and all abortion clinics were closed, women would deliver their babies.”

Oh, yes…and BTW…you ALSO do not have any way to force a woman to carry her unwanted pregnancy to term. Welcome to the club of anti-abortionists who don’t. You have a LOT of company.

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“If it were not a legal option, most women would not seek it out.”

And you can prove that, of course?

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Doggone/GA: Just judging from pre Roe v. Wade days and the fact that most people are law-abiding citizens who would not go out of their way to break the law by seeking out illegal abortions.

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Kamchak: Drinking vs. murdering your own child……hmmm.

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“murdering your own child”

But since abortion is not murder, and a foetus is not a child…again, you’ve got nothing.

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HI; wet wiccan…the Shakespeare thing is fun. Glad you got us going!!

Good to hear from a Braves fan. I have high hopes.. as always: GO BRAVES!!!

Shakespeare said: “We are such stuff as dreams are made on; and our little life is rounded with a sleep.” I’m off to get all rounded with a little sleep. ‘Nite!!

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…“taking the life of your own child”?

“Child”?

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Dusty

Rounded, you say? Oh, my…

wiccan

and how are you, thou pribbling hell-hated rats bane?

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Kamchak: Yes, “child.” What do you think it is, a turtle?!

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“How about standing up for those innocent little ones who have no choice?”

Maybe they should choose better parents the next time. I’m still waiting for you, or any of the anti-abortion crowd, to tell me how you would force a woman to carry her unwanted pregnancy to term. I’ve asked that question many, many times over the last few years and gotten nothing but crickets as an answer.

Give it a shot, maybe you can do better than your compatriots. I take leave to doubt it, but what the heck…go for it.

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“Yes, “child.” What do you think it is, a turtle?!”

Nope, it’s a foetus. It’s not a child until it takes it’s first breath. At THAT point, it is separated from the woman and there’s no going back. Live or die, at THAT point it is a separate human being.

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Doggone/GA: I can’t force anyone to do what’s right. I can teach my children what’s right and pray that they choose wisely when they are grown. If a woman is determined to end her pregnancy and has the financial means, she will find a way to do so, legal or not. However, I can guarantee that she will suffer for it, whether in this life or in eternity.

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” I can’t force anyone to do what’s right”

Then, like it or not you ARE pro-choice. Because you have just admitted that making abortion illegal will not save the lives you claim to want to save. What it comes down to…as always…is that the anti-abortion crowd wants to claim the right to PUNISH the woman involved, not save the life of the foetus.

As always.

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“You guys are making my head hurt”

Aw, gee

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You guys are making my head hurt. Good night, everyone.

Toodles.

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Doggone/GA: Making abortion illegal will save millions of babies. If we can save even one, it’s worth all the effort.

And yes, I am pro-choice: you CHOOSE whether to have sex outside of marriage and produce a human offspring. The choice comes before a “symbiote” is conceived, not after.

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…you CHOOSE whether to have sex outside of marriage and produce a human offspring.

Yeah, because some women CHOOSE to be raped.

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“If we can save even one, it’s worth all the effort.”

If we can save even one woman from dying at that hands of a back-alley abortionist, it’s worth it.

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Doggone/GA:

But old KKK Byrd sure ran for senator a lot of times and the libs. of W.Va. voted him in.

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KKK Byrd – “You reap what you sow” Biblical

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Left wing management :

And the illustrious Supreme Court once said that slaves were property and that it was o.k. to put Japanese American citizens in detention camps without due process.

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““You reap what you sow””

Yep, and he sowed contrition and reaped the trust of his constituents.

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@Doggone/GA, I believe it was the NAZIS who perfected the
process of forcing women to carry unwanted children to term.
The were the offspring of SS soldiers selected for their Aryan
traits and allowed to rape women with the same physical
traits.

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” there is NO WAY millions of illegal abortions were taking place prior to legalized abortion”

One is too many

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“I believe it was the NAZIS who perfected the process of forcing women to carry unwanted children to term”

I’d have to wonder, though, how many of them committed suicide?

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Nearly two hours have passed since my 7:44 challenge and not one example of Darwinian evolution contributing to operational science.

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Excuse me, three hours!

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“not one example of Darwinian evolution contributing to operational science”

Missed Jay’s post, didja?

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Doggone:

Biblical Judging:

http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/articles/judging.html

Matthew 18:15-17 (Judging)

“Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.”

P.S. I have my two boxer puppies ……… eight weeks old today. One fawn, one solid white.

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“Biblical Judging”

And what, exactly, does that particular paragraph have to do with you claiming to be God?

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Doggone/GA:

I repeat. You assertion is sickening.

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Scout 10:43 Good Choice. Puppies should not be raised without a
partner. No human can provide the joy they provide to each other.

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Kamchak:

According to what God thinks – a “child”:

Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.”

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barking frog:

Brother and sister. Peaches and you guessed it ……….. Scout !

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According to what God thinks…

And which “God” is that?

The Father?
The Son?
The Holy Ghost?

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“I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.”

so EVERYONE is a prophet now? that’s going to come as a big surprise to a lot of people who think Hitler was satanic. Turns out that all along he was a prophet of God. Who knew?

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Doggone/GA:

Wrong ………. Yours was personally aimed at me. As if as I Christian I would claim to be God !

Makes you look unprofessional and even delusional and I take personal offense. You stepped across the line.

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” As if as I Christian I would claim to be God ! ”

I’ve already said that I would accept you did not INTEND to make that claim.

“Makes you look unprofessional”

last time I looked, posting on Jay’s blog was not a profession.

” and even delusional and I take personal offense. You stepped across the line.”

too bad. The words are yours, you said them. If you’re offended, take it out with your mirror.

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TGT

one example of Darwinian evolution contributing to operational science.
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Robert Oppenheimer.

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“I’d have to wonder, though, how many of them committed suicide?”

I cannot answer per this in WWII, but in the studies coming out of the former Yugoslavia of women who were raped by whichever group was doing the raping and who became pregnant, the number of abortions and of suicides remained consistent with the pre war statistics. While the number of children born of these tragic circumstances given over to orphanages was high, the number of women who chose to keep and raise the children was higher than those doing the research expected. These children are now reaching adulthood and the studies are continuing. Early findings are that these children are stable, well-adjusted members of society as are those adopted, generally, but not always, by members of the mother’s ethnic community and, interestingly, by couples in mixed marriages. Those brought up in institutions have “problems” consistent with those of children raised in institutions not from such origins.

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Scout 10:56 Well, I’m glad you have them. They won’t fill the void for
a while, but they will help.

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Plants – a body

Animals – a body and a spirit

Kamchak – a body, a soul and a spirit

And which Kamchak is that?

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barking frog :

Yep ……… as you know, each dog becomes special.

“And God said, who will walk with man? And dog said, I will ! And so it was” Author Unknown

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Been a long day and the pups have worn me out !

TAPS !

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“And there’s your sign.”

Oh, no…he’s just speaking metphorically

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It’s getting late and I want to be rested for the Sunday coffee klatch…g’night

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This guy was not just “reenacting WW2″, they picked one of the most vile division of Nazis imaginable, the Waffen SS who were largely responsible for the slaughter of the Jews.

This is absolutely sick and disgusting and should be condemned by everyone.

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This takes me back to the time Reagan decided to put a wreath on Waffen SS graves in 1985, explaining that those monsters were really victims, also. And then you have Russell Pearce out in Arizona and his buddy-buddying with neo-Nazis.

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No, Moderate the law gets to decide. And this is a nation of lawS, not of people who make up their own definitions. LOL, right back at ya!

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Heil Sarah!

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I would need to know more about these re-enactments and how it comes to be decided who plays what side, but I’m not prepared to call the guy a Nazi or a racist just because he played a Nazi in a war re-enactment. If someone was an actor and they played a Nazi in a play, I wouldn’t assume anything about them as a person. I would only have an issue with this if he had some sort of unhealthy fascination with playing the Nazis or something like that.
Seeing that he participated in re-enactments of numerous wars, I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt unless I see a reason to think it was anything other than a nerdy hobby.

As a dyed-in-the wool Democrat, I don’t want the Republicans to win this year, but I have to admit that this smells like a cheap political trick. Racism is not something to cry wolf about, it’s way too serious.

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I’m sure there’s a group of serial killer reenactors somewhere.

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Where do the Republicans find these folks ?

Something i have never been able to understand …………………..

Why would anyone want to re-enact a war of any kind ? Why ?

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If a Republican or Democrat does something wrong, all of the opposition comes out with things like “what did he know and when did he know it”. The other Party remains silent. This is American politics and I doubt it will ever change in our lifetimes.

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Isn’t being an American Citizen grand? I don’t know of any other countries where you can do this and it be legal and somewhat accepted. He has the right to dress as such, however, I can see how different people would have different reactions to this. If it’s re-enactment related, are there some in the same group who dress as allies? Do they have a group that they interact with who dress as allies?

Personally, he could wear a pink tutu for all I care. I don’t have to vote for him. I recognize his right to peacefully assemble, even if it’s in a less than desirable uniform.

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Is he running for Robert Byrds seat ?

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TGT & Scout,
From last night…

You, of course, will believe what you want and I will believe what I want,
but I stand by my call that you are NOT pro life. You are just pro fetus. You do not want to take responsibility for the “life” you are trying to “save”.
And another thing, It doesn’t have to be the government to take care of them. You “pro-lifer’s” could chip in and start the medical, educational, foster homes, and adoption services yourselves. All y’all have to do is care a little…just saying, that would be the Christian thing to do.

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And it’s OK?

Jawhol! Apparently.

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Well, Y’all continue to fight the good fight. Me and my lady are going to the mountains on the bike. Sunday is a good time to go visit the mountain trees, all good friends of ours. Have a great day all y’all!

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AmVet: On the Theory of Coral Reef Formation:

Darwin’s work on coral reefs has nothing to do with his theory of evolution. In other words, the structure and formation of reefs has nothing to do with creatures changing into other creatutures over millions/billions of years. The same is true for studying/classifying barnacles. (I never said that Darwin himself contributed nothing positive to science.)

The fact is that modern science began to flourish and advance long before Darwin and no practical advancement in science (where testing and verifying ideas in the present leads to the production of useful products) since Darwin rests upon his Origin of Species theory that all living things evolved from some simple life form billions of years ago.

As another has noted, “Many historians (of different religious persuasions—including atheistic) have shown that modern science started to flourish only in largely Christian Europe. These historians point out that the basis of modern science depends on the assumption that the universe was made by a rational Creator. An orderly universe makes perfect sense only if it were made by an orderly Creator.” Many “fathers of modern science” were, what today would be considered, “fundamentalist Christians.” They took a quite literal view of the Bible. From Pascal to Newton to Faraday to Pasteur to Carver, history is littered with committed Christians whose work has given us many of the advances we enjoy today.

For example, operating from a biblical worldview (rejecting Darwin’s theory), Louis Pasteur, a strong opponent of Darwin’s theory, did amazing work in a variety of scientific areas. Pasteur, a microbiologist and chemist, who, along with giving us the process of pasteurization, disproved the theory of spontaneous generation (which put him at odds with Darwin and his work) and was a pioneer in the battle against infectious diseases (leading us to the process of vaccination).

Normal: As I have demonstrated here before, Christians (and conservatives in general) are much more generous with their own resources than are non-believers (and liberals in general). Now, this does not mean that most Christians should not be doing more than they are, but in general, Christians are the most generous people in this country and the world over.

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paleo – *I see re-enactors in general and the Wikings in particular extensions of this mindset. those who “honor” and “respect” something as base and primal as war/killing; OR those “idealists” who who embrace the killing of others as honorable, simply because the “others” held a different ideological or theological take on life.*

I tend to agree with you. I don’t claim to understand it, but I’ve seen it. We have our very own “Dr. Strangelove” on this blog. I have not read Jarhead, but I read Johnny Got His Gun, which was written by Dalton Trumbo after WWI, and that really made an impression on me.

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Normal

Yesterday was a bad day. I knew we’d eventually lose one, but I didn’t expect them to get manhandled like that.

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TGT, one last attempt:

The theory of evolution, formalized by Charles Darwin, is as much theory as is the theory of gravity, or the theory of relativity. Unlike theories of physics, biological theories, and especially evolution, have been argued long and hard in socio-political arenas. Even today, evolution is not often taught in primary schools. However, evolution is the binding force of all biological research. It is the unifying theme. In paleontology, evolution gives workers a powerful way to organize the remains of past life and better understand the one history of life.

His world-changing theory is one of the very greatest contributions *ever* made to science. This is not even disputable and can be confirmed by reading across a wide range of related publications, which state so. And after 150 years it has never been refuted or countermanded.

150 years.

Which is why I give the liberal-loathing-at-all-costs AGW crowd a bit of a break.

They’ve only had thirty or so years to come up with innumerable red herrings, straw men and other fallacious arguments that cannot pass even basic peer review. Contentions that the overwhelming percentage of acknowledged experts in the related science fields discount as failing to adhere to even the rudimentary scientific method. And since I cannot presume that most deniers even know what that is:

scientifc method – noun
a method of research in which a problem is identified, relevant data are gathered, a hypothesis is formulated from these data, and the hypothesis is empirically tested.

So, you’ve made your points and I’ve made mine.

And I have always and will always stand with the legions of the highly educated, most informed experts in these matters. Who are driven by a desire to constantly learn and improve man’s knowledge. NOT the ideologically-driven, science-ignorant who, even a century and a half later, STILL foolishly try to make these basic and affirmed understandings offensive, atheistic and blasphemous.

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SoCo, it seems as though every year, a great team will have a bad Saturday. And no matter how poorly they play, if they win, even by one point, all is forgiven. With that said, I doubt that the Tide will drop more than to about sixth or so, because SC was ranked fairly high.

And anything is possible of course, but it is gonna take more than a few miracles now for them to try and win back to back titles.

Here’s hoping that Ohio State falls next…

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As a Democrat I am appalled by the antics of other democrats, I am a reenactor and have reenacted with Wiking. Political views are not even an option for this group. They are one of the more authentic groups I have had the pleasure of reenacting with.

This basically shows that any kind of smear campaign will work in this country. I am appalled plain and simple.

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TGT, and hence the beauty of science. It does not require any dogma or superstition.

Again, it is completely incontestable that the overwhelming number of experts across the globe fully accept the basic premise that “populations evolve over the course of generations through a process of natural selection. His exhaustive studies presented a body of evidence that the diversity of life arose by common descent through a branching pattern of evolution.”

And it is perfectly natural that not everyone agree with most theorems.

It also irrefutable that for every expert that denies Darwin’s *immense* contributions to mankind’s knowledge and understanding – in many scientific disciplines – there are dozens and dozens and dozens who do.

And why?

Because they have found no other superior scientifically accepted explanation.

Even after fifteen decades!

And that is how science works.

Trump it, or go home and b*tch about it.

BTW, have you ever read On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life?

I have. And would whole-heartedly suggest you do as well. It is both entertaining and enormously informative. It resides proudly on my bookshelves along with other such masterpieces as Jules Verne’s The Outline of History and Bloom’s The Closing of the American Mind.

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Normal, if you’re using Outlook for your e-mail, you can go to Tools, then Rules and Alerts to build a set of circumstances that will only accept e-mails from those in your Outlook address book. You can then store or delete all others.

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Again, let’s make something out of nothing. Would you be as upset if the candidate dressed up as a Confederate re-enactor? I seriously doubt it…you probably consider that to be normal. How about a British soldier from the Revolutionary War period? Again, you’d consider that to be normal. Yet, those examples have both been our enemies but are “glorified” by re-enactors everywhere. Get a grip and deal with some serious issues for a change.

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TGT and AmVet, I have referred to this before, but do not have “chapter and verse” at hand. last year I read an piece in Smithsonian about Darwin, “natural selection” and the erroneous application of the the concept of “survival of the fittest”. while Darwin accurately observed and documented that “life” tends to adapt and modify to “survive”, this does not necessarily guarantee the “survival of the fittest”. the adaptation or introduction of a new predator, germ or parasite (or asteroid, if you believe some) within an ecosystem can mean the end of even the most “fittest” of species. some secular humanist believe there is no greater evidence of this theory than homo sapiens. and from a completely secular/naturalist position, it could be argued that “any man’s death dimishes” the species, to include everything from war, the death penalty, homicide, and abortion. if you remove “god” from the equation, abortion, like AGW/climate change are themselves “naturally” occuring phenoms. if there is a Creator or Intelligent Designer, IT created abortion, rape, cancer, war, etc., and in the absence of any supreme being, these “challenges” to humanity are the product of mankind’s efforts to adapt and adjust to the environment. do not polar bears eat their young? ditto some primates. the only difference between homo sapiens and primates/polar bears is technology (the human mind). happy Sunday!

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It is no longer amazing the depths that liberals will sink to in demonizing a person’s private life when that person runs for public office.

Tell me again what someone does for a hobby (which is no different from playing a villain in a local playhouse) in any way affects the way he or she will govern if elected? Do we brand him a killer if he plays the heavy in a summer stock production of “Rear Window”?

Do real issues matter anymore?

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JEM, see above. Please show us where the Obama Administration “emulates” the policies of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot and Che Guevara.

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Dave R, I did – twice, but it is “awaiting moderation”.

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“And sadly, but not at all surprisingly, there are those bloggers here who give them a free pass for glorifying the people who implemented those mass atrocities and the genocide that resulted in tens of millions of human deaths. And untold suffering.

And then attempt to justify it, by making irrational and disgustingly weak comparisons.”

And then, right on cue…

“What about all the people in the Obama administration who wish to emulate the policies of Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Guevara? Those three were responsible for 10 times the deaths the Germans were.”

Truly sickening.

WTF? Do you clowns not comprehend standard, written English?

Lott was a member of a group calling itself the Wikings, created to HONOR those who fought in World War II in the 5th SS Panzer Division. The division comprised volunteers to the Nazi cause drawn from outside Germany.

We salute these idealists; no matter how unsavory the Nazi government was, the front-line soldiers of the Waffen-SS (in particular the foreign volunteers) gave their lives for their loved ones and a basic desire to be free.

Salute???

Unsavory???

To be free???

Wow, what bravery it took to call the greatest maniacs and murderers in modern world history “unsavory”!

You apologist sleazeballs are just damn lucky that your families did not get to taste this “unsavory desire to be free”, like mine did.

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Wow, you libs sure are milking this poutrage. Here’s a list of WWII movies so you can go through the casts and find more people to demonize

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What a bunch of poorly-researched and out-of-context crap.

I happen to know Rich Iott personally, because one of my hobbies is to portray an historically-accurate WWII Soviet frontovik and we participate in some of the same events, although on opposite sides of the battlefield.

Oh, I can hear the rusty gears turning in your brain: you have already discounted what I have to say, because you can see that I “obviously” must be a card-carrying Communist, right? But allow me to help round out your impression of me — I have also engaged in historically-accurate protrayals of Pirates (some of the most ruthless torturers and killers ever known to mankind) and American Confederate Soldiers (so, I obviously must espouse slavery, right?).

“Moderate Line” and “RW (the original)” both quoted the disclaimer on the Wiking homepage — a glaring and extremely biased omission on your part. A similar disclaimer is contained in the Bylaws of the Parent Organization ( http://www.worldwartwohrs.org/By-Laws.htm ), specifically excluding members of any “controversial political or illegal para-military organization.” But these facts are irrelevant, right?

Our school system is failing. America is falling behind, as the rest of the world gains and surpasses our former excellence. And yet we have people – like Rich Iott – who actively spend some of their weekends educating the public with much-needed lessons on geography and history using dynamic hands-on techniques that far surpass anything used presently in our school systems. But you condemn that. Oh, please tell me more about who you think I should vote for, because you obviously know what you are talking about.

It is apparent that you do not cast your vote according to a candidate’s platform, but you rather seek to dredge up irrelevant minutiae in order to create misinformation, prejudice and hate-mongering. Sadly, this is exactly the sort of disgusting mud-slinging that has contaminated this year’s political campaigns. I wish to personally thank you, Jay Bookman, for helping destroy America. For the record, I strive hard to vote AGAINST the sort of irrelevant mud-slinging that you espouse.

Let’s apply your biased bad reporting and poor deductions to Rich’s opponent, shall we? Hmm… Marcy Kaptur is a Roman Catholic. Ahh — that means she is a member of a group accused by historians (David Kertzer among others) of encouraging centuries of anti–semitism; the one-time leader of this fanatical religious movement, Pope Pius XII, has been accused of not doing enough to stop Nazi atrocities (Emily Eakin, New York Times: 9/1/2001). Do I need to add the perceived atrocities by the Roman Catholic Church in 1204, if not throughout recorded history? Perhaps most condemning of all is that the present leader of Marcy Kaptur’s faith, Pope Benedict XVI (nee Joseph Alois Ratzinger) was a member of the Hitler Youth!

The ONLY conclusion that can be drawn from these irrefutable facts is that Marcy Kaptur is herself a Nazi! She doesn’t merely dress up like one and admirably educate Americans on World War Two history, but by not condemning her religion and religious leader, she is condoning the horrible things (not the least of which was the WWII genocide of Jews and Poles) that were done by others before her!

You want something (slightly) less sarcastic? Okay… Nancy Kaptur voted against Stem Cell Research and the North American Free Trade Agreement, and consistently supports military spending bills! Oh, we obviously do not need to investigate her platform or political stance any further, as these facts prove that Kaptur firmly believes everyone with dementia, paralysis or any illness at all should be euthanized, and she clearly supports a full-scale nuclear war with all other countries in the hopes of destroying life as we know it. So, don’t vote for her, okay??

If the knowledge of the average American is to be any measure, Soviet Russia was America’s second biggest foe during World War Two (between Germany and Japan) — and Italy was always among our Allies. People like Rich Iott are actively working, through their personal hobbies, to help correct such historical misinformation that is prevalent among the public. People like you, Jay Bookman, are among those who prefer to allow the “Skinhead” (Neo-Nazi) movement to spread their propaganda that the Holocaust never existed. Shame on you, Jay Bookman — however, the greatness of America is that even Anti-Semitic hate-mongerers like yourself are allowed a platform to voice their opinions.

And why are you going after Rich Iott? Aren’t you aware that the current Governor of California is actually a time-travelling cyborg who was sent back from the future to kill the mother of the unborn future leader of a resistance that will ultimately win victory of humanity over the machines? Because – as we all have learned from your example – if he portrayed a particular role for entertainment, edification or enlightenment, he must actually be the real thing in real life, because there is no separation from fiction and reality.

As I said, I know Rich; he happens to be a very nice and sincere human being with strong and admirable values. I have met with him and talked with him (and shot vintage WWII firearms at him!) on multiple occasions. Please tell us, what were your impressions (or perhaps any specific quotes) from your personal interview with him? Wait — I just re-read your pseudo-article again, and you actually give the impression that you have never met the person. How can that be possible? To me, that indicates you are wholly ignorant about the subject you are discussing. Ah, but once again, the Great Country of ours allows you to voice your wholly uneducated and ignorant position.

My advice to you, Jay Bookman (and now I drop any hint of sarcasm) is don’t ever apply for a position as an investigative reporter — because you don’t have what it takes.

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David R, I thought the same as you when I first head this story, but it’s a little more like if someone specialized in playing Nazis at plays, and also did you read the quote from their website? It does sound like it goes beyond normal re-enactments to unhealthy admiration for this SS unit. I mean it goes so far as to say that SS people and the foreigners that volunteered for it were “fighting for freedom”. In Nazi paralance “fighting for freedom” meant enslaving all the slavs and killing all the Jews.

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This confirms it, the world has truly gone crazy.

http://www.thecalifornian.com/article/20101001/NEWS01/101001039/Follow+your+dog+on+twitter

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Pete, and I have a BA in History, with extensive formal and self-education in 20th century military history. If you and your friends want to host seminars or conduct lectures for high school student, undergrads or even John Q. Public; “cross-dressing” is not required. this is the difference between history (documenting fact) and politics (editorializing, or cherry-picking certain facts, and removing context from the discussion).

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RW, what part of “honor” do you not understand? (note: I didn’t use the word freaking).

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JamesNYC, my 1:08 applies to you as well.

Actor. No different than playing a villain on TV.

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Pete, so the Wiking thing is about “entertainment, edification, and enlightenment.”? your honor, I rest my case. FYI, I think Terminator Writer, Director, Producer James Cameron “created” the T-1000 cyborg (character portrayed by the current Governor of California) to demonstrate or illustrate the shirt-comings of blind loyalty, nationalism, etc. to wit; the “enlightenment via entertainment” of the Terminator franchise isn’t exactly “honoring” anyone.

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The left is not going to give up smearing people. Why don’t we hear anything about Robert Byrd who was a real Klansman? Why don’t we hear about all the Dems indicted and convicted or under investigation for fraud, lying, stealing and cheating?

I guess anyone who’s ever dressed up in a German soldier uniform, or a Confederate uniform including Hollywood actors should get the same treatment from this hack jour-no-list?

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Dave R., here’s another suggested reading; Dispatches by Michael Herr (a narrative history of Vietnam). there is a particularly poignant passage in which Herr recalls a Marine on a helicopter after being extracted from a bad firefight. the Marines screams; “I hate this &%#$ing movie!” actors, movies and plays are fiction. they don’t exist and never did. again, Vietnam, Hiter, the S.S., Auschwitz, the Viet Cong and Iwo Jima were not works of literature or film. they were actual events, in which millions of actual humans died at the hands of other humans.

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So ten in your absolutist world, Carlinist, we can no longer film any movies with N a z i s in them, right? Because war is real and movies are not?

Maybe we should ban the playing of “The Enemy Below”, where the German captain and crew were shown to be just as human as the Americans were?

Actor. No different than playing a murderer on the stage.

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The Democrat always supports the status quo of Big Labor Big Government and Urban Ghetto Life also known as slavery-to-the-state. In the United States of America the generic Democrat party is the party of state-enforced penury/slavery. The Democrat always says how much he “cares for the people” but what he really cares about is power and living large. More and more people are discovering what it means to be a slave on Ole Massah’s Citation Plantation. The Big Labor Big Government Democrat loves devising new ways to impose slavery-to-the-state, enforced by confiscatory bureaucrats of Big Labor Big Government. And you think the Democrat cares about you? Don’t be a chump.

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AmVet said: “Those movies did not HONOR the Nazis.The people involved in their making did not SALUTE the Nazis. The did not moronically EMULATE them as agents of freedom. And that you feign not seeing that HUGE difference is extremely telling…”

The movies honored, saluted and emulated the men, no the Nazi Party or its ideals. And so does Rich Iott and his Wiking . Your feigning not to see that they are the SAME THING is telling, and your implication that Rich and his colleagues are espousing National Socialist ideals is even more telling.

You also wrote: “I will break my own rule this one time about the dangers of absolutism and state that to me NOBODY with a shred of human decency would voluntarily choose to be even remotely associated with such an organization that HONORS and SALUTES the holocaust agents.”

Your intentional misrepresentation of the fact is, to use your own words, “Puerile and red-herringed nonsense.” You should hold steadfastly to your rule because, like Jay Bookman, you don’t know what you are talking about.

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And I see that I’ve been reduced to small letters again.

Good God man, get a firm grip on that fainting couch of yours.

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Dave R., I am trying to respond, but my screeds are being moderated.

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I saw a shocking documentary that proves Sean Connery was a Communist submarine commander. Proof positive!
He was in uniform!

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9/11 card? did not the POTUS refer to the 9/11 attacks as “acts of war”? did not the media and others refer to 9/11 as “Pearl Harbor”? did not the POTUS initation a “global war on terrorism” in response? were not al Qeada fighters who perpetrated 9/11 “recruited” from other countries on behalf of Islam? I want you to tell me how al Qeda is diffent from the Waffen SS.

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JB, yeah, I guess that second sylable was the root of one of the “seven words”

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Jay B,

I haven’t seen any of their reenactments, and I doubt you have either, so I really don’t know if they misrepresent history or not.

I haven’t got any speakers on this computer so watching your recruiting film would probably be pointless, but I’ll go have a look anyway.

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First on the 6th!

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Dave R., they have faced us on the field of battle. in fact, I have conversed and correspondents with American soliders who have faced them in AfPak AND Iraq (as well as other “battlefields”, which cannot be identified). strike one. one which “battlefield” did Iraq engage us prior to the 2003 invasion and occupation? strike two. and all the “women and children” (including the mentally retarded, homosexuals and Gypsies) rounded up by the S.S. and killed in Nazi death camps, they were all “soldiers captured on the battlefield”? strike three – as the saying goes, turn left and go retake your seat in the dugout, meat.

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