Nazi hobbyist as congressional candidate? And it’s OK?
Rich Iott is the Republican candidate to represent Ohio’s Ninth Congressional District, a seat now held by Democrat Marcy Kaptur. But as Josh Green of the Atlantic points out, Iott has had a rather unusual hobby for someone with ambitions of serving his country in Congress.
He likes to dress up in the uniform of the Waffen SS.
GOP congressional candidate Rich Iott, second from right, in the uniform of a Waffen SS officer.
For several years, in fact, Iott was a member of a group calling itself the Wikings, created to honor those who fought in World War II in the 5th SS Panzer Division. The division comprised volunteers to the Nazi cause drawn from outside Germany. As the Wiking site explains:
Nazi Germany had no problem in recruiting the multitudes of volunteers willing to lay down their lives to ensure a “New and Free Europe”, free of the threat of Communism. National Socialism was seen by many in Holland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, and other eastern European and Balkan countries as the protector of personal freedom and their very way of life, despite the true underlying totalitarian (and quite twisted, in most cases) nature of the movement. Regardless, thousands upon thousands of valiant men died defending their respective countries in the name of a better tomorrow. We salute these idealists; no matter how unsavory the Nazi government was, the front-line soldiers of the Waffen-SS (in particular the foreign volunteers) gave their lives for their loved ones and a basic desire to be free.
Idealists, in the name of a better tomorrow, motivated by a basic desire to be free. Lovely.
As the Wiking site goes on to explain, “It is our aim to bring you a bit of actual history behind the men who fought against the “Bolshevik scourge”; volunteers who came from the various Northern European countries allied with Hitler’s Germany who only had a desire to see an end to Soviet Communism.”
Iott explains his former hobby by likening it to Civil War re-enacters, noting that “you couldn’t do Civil War re-enacting if somebody didn’t play the role of the Confederates.”
“I’ve always been fascinated by the fact that here was a relatively small country that from a strictly military point of view accomplished incredible things,” Iott told Green. “I mean, they took over most of Europe and Russia, and it really took the combined effort of the free world to defeat them. From a purely historical military point of view, that’s incredible.”
Iott’s explanation, strained as it is, might be slightly more convincing if he and his friends had chosen to emulate a standard unit of the German Army, or Wehrmacht. The moral culpability of draftees conscripted into the German military is at least arguable.
Instead, they chose to emulate a division of the Waffen SS, a volunteer arm of the Nazi Party that played a prominent role in the wholesale slaughter of 6 million Jews and millions of other “undesirables.” In fact. the infamous Josef Mengele served in the 5th division early in the war, and it was directly implicated in several mass murders of Jewish captives.
Armed with this information, the people of the Ohio Ninth will no doubt cast their own judgment on Iott at the ballot box this November. But what I find fascinating is the reaction to the discovery. Here we’ve got a congressional candidate as a member of a group touting Nazi SS volunteers as idealists fighting for freedom, yet prominent right-wing blogs (here and here and here, for example) are defending Iott as a victim of liberal smears.
Green is creating an issue where one really doesn’t exist, we’re told, because dressing like the Waffen SS is “basically like the reenactors who play the Red Coats in American Revolution reenactments.” This is just another example of “shoddy political hackery” by liberal journalists, a “pathetic attack” by leftists ready to “smear anyone for anything if they think it might help them hold onto power.”
In other words, they’re all right with this behavior, and are willing to defend it.
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Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
9:24 pm
“And you have the gall to act as if that is not a life?!”
No, we do not act like it is not a life. What a foetus is not is a PERSON. And like every anti-abortionist that has come here, you have not even attempted to answer my question: how would YOU FORCE a woman to carry her unwanted pregnancy to term?
TGT
October 9th, 2010
9:25 pm
Doggone: The science of life in the womb:
• Day 1 – fertilization: all human chromosomes are present; unique human life begins
• Day 6 – embryo begins implanting in the uterus
• Day 22 – heart begins to beat with the child’s own blood, often a different type than the mother’s
• Week 5 – eyes, legs, hands begin to develop
• Week 6 – brain waves detectable; mouth, lips present; fingernails forming
• Week 7 – eyelids, toes form; nose distinct, baby kicking and swimming
• Week 8 – every organ in place; bones begin to replace cartilage, fingerprints begin to form;
• Weeks 9 and 10 – teeth begin to form, fingernails develop; baby can turn head, frown
• Week 11 – baby can grasp objects placed in hand; all organ systems functioning; the baby has fingerprints, a skeletal structure, nerves, and circulation
• Week 12 – the baby has all of the part necessary to experience pain, including the nerves, spinal cord and thalamus; the baby is nearing the end of the first trimester
• Week 17 – baby can have dream (REM) sleep
• Week 20 – the earliest stage at which partial birth abortions are performed
Left wing management
October 9th, 2010
9:27 pm
Del 8:51: “On abortion…it’s murder. You can rationalize it anyway you want but it’s still murder”
Wrong. Abortion is a lot of things. It’s not murder.
MomofFour
October 9th, 2010
9:28 pm
Doggone/GA: So since some babies have survived at 20 weeks’ gestation, should we make abortions illegal only after that point? You do realize that abortion is legal through all 40 weeks of pregnancy, don’t you? How can you determine when one baby is viable outside the womb and another isn’t?
Left wing management
October 9th, 2010
9:30 pm
Clio, the muse of history, is as thoroughly infected with lies as a street whore with syphilis.
Schopenhauer
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
9:33 pm
“The science of life in the womb”
I already know all of that.
mikefrga
October 9th, 2010
9:33 pm
so as a repub you have no problem with stopping an unwanted pregnancy up till the 22nd day?
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
9:34 pm
Hillbilly
“Well, I never……… ”
You need to get out more…
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
9:35 pm
“The past is not dead. It’s not even past.”
–William Faulkner
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
9:36 pm
“How can you determine when one baby is viable outside the womb and another isn’t?”
I didn’t, and don’t, say “viable outside the womb” – I said when the foetus is at the developmental stage where it can be expected to survive outside the womb if normal. That we can take a foetus younger than that and assist it to survive is a miracle of science.
My attitude about is that, whatever the age of the foetus at delivery it is a separate human being at the moment it takes it’s first breath. Whether it subsequently lives or dies, THAT is the moment when it is…irrevocably…separate from the woman and is a person in it’s own right.
If you are will to have every aborted foetus put on lifesupport and are will to pay for it, go for it. Until you are…it is the woman’s choice.
AmVet
October 9th, 2010
9:38 pm
Abortion is not murder.
Not according to the dictionary, which is the final arbiter of the meaning of words.
murder – noun
1) the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
Also a worthy read and short analysis of that very subject:
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/abortion/f/abortion_murder.htm
MomofFour
October 9th, 2010
9:39 pm
Doggone/GA @ 9:24: “how would YOU FORCE a woman to carry her unwanted pregnancy to term?”
If abortion were illegal and all abortion clinics were closed, women would deliver their babies. Then if they chose to place them for adoption with one of the thousands of families that are waiting to adopt, they would be blessing many, many families with priceless gifts. However, I believe that a great number of women, once the “crisis” of their pregnancy passed, would see what a precious gift they had been given and would keep and raise their children.
If our culture were one in which life at all stages is valuable and in which people take responsibility for their actions (rather than punishing the innocent for their “mistakes”) abortion would be obsolete.
Dusty
October 9th, 2010
9:41 pm
Shhh…I’m leaving. sleepy…lock the doors and cut off the lights, kiddies. The folderol is famously furtive tonight. Save it for tomorrow. You’ll feel better…
Kamchak
October 9th, 2010
9:41 pm
If abortion were illegal and all abortion clinics were closed, women would deliver their babies.
Ummm…no.
wet wiccan
October 9th, 2010
9:42 pm
Hey Josef, you wayward hasty-witted fustilarian, you. I see you’re still having fun with the shakespeare thingy. YAY!
And Dusty, welcome back. I know you are excited about the Braves, I am too. I can’t believe last nights game.
barking frog
October 9th, 2010
9:42 pm
Why do non Christians try to cloak themselves with Christianity.
I am not and as far as I can determine will never be a Pacifist.
If you are a Christian you must be a Pacifist. Turn the other
cheek leaves no room for violence to anyone, in any way, at
any time. If you do not practice the teachings of Christ, why
call yourself a Christian?
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
9:42 pm
“If abortion were illegal and all abortion clinics were closed, women would deliver their babies.”
Which, of course, explains all of those women who had “back room abortions” in the past, right?
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
9:45 pm
“If abortion were illegal and all abortion clinics were closed, women would deliver their babies.”
Oh, yes…and BTW…you ALSO do not have any way to force a woman to carry her unwanted pregnancy to term. Welcome to the club of anti-abortionists who don’t. You have a LOT of company.
MomofFour
October 9th, 2010
9:45 pm
Kamchak: The vast majority would, yes. If it were not a legal option, most women would not seek it out.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
9:46 pm
“If it were not a legal option, most women would not seek it out.”
And you can prove that, of course?
Kamchak
October 9th, 2010
9:48 pm
If it were not a legal option, most women would not seek it out.
Oh puh-leeze.
That’s like saying that because of prohibition people didn’t drink.
MomofFour
October 9th, 2010
9:50 pm
Doggone/GA: Just judging from pre Roe v. Wade days and the fact that most people are law-abiding citizens who would not go out of their way to break the law by seeking out illegal abortions.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
9:50 pm
“That’s like saying that because of prohibition people didn’t drink.”
And murder is illegal, so of course people don’t kill each other.
MomofFour
October 9th, 2010
9:51 pm
Kamchak: Drinking vs. murdering your own child……hmmm.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
9:51 pm
“Just judging from pre Roe v. Wade days and the fact that most people are law-abiding citizens who would not go out of their way to break the law by seeking out illegal abortions.”
Since the abortions back then were mostly of the “back-alley” type you’ve got NOTHING, because there’s no way to know how many actually occured.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
9:52 pm
“murdering your own child”
But since abortion is not murder, and a foetus is not a child…again, you’ve got nothing.
Kamchak
October 9th, 2010
9:53 pm
Drinking vs. murdering your own child…
Murder?
Dusty
October 9th, 2010
9:55 pm
HI; wet wiccan…the Shakespeare thing is fun. Glad you got us going!!
Good to hear from a Braves fan. I have high hopes.. as always: GO BRAVES!!!
Shakespeare said: “We are such stuff as dreams are made on; and our little life is rounded with a sleep.” I’m off to get all rounded with a little sleep. ‘Nite!!
MomofFour
October 9th, 2010
10:04 pm
Call it what you like, fellas. Would it make you feel better if I said “taking the life of your own child”?
I hope all you pro-abortionists dream about crying babies tonight.
Kamchak
October 9th, 2010
10:05 pm
…“taking the life of your own child”?
“Child”?
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:07 pm
“I hope all you pro-abortionists dream about crying babies tonight”
I’ve been waiting for someone to trot out the “pro-abortionist” tag. Sorry, bub, but it doesn’t work that way. Nothing would please me more than for all abortions – both induced and natural – to never happend. But until that utopian day arrives, it’s still PRO-CHOICE, not pro-abortion.
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
10:10 pm
Dusty
Rounded, you say? Oh, my…
wiccan
and how are you, thou pribbling hell-hated rats bane?
MomofFour
October 9th, 2010
10:10 pm
Doggone/GA: I’m glad to hear that you want all abortions to end. How about standing up for those innocent little ones who have no choice?
MomofFour
October 9th, 2010
10:12 pm
Kamchak: Yes, “child.” What do you think it is, a turtle?!
barking frog
October 9th, 2010
10:12 pm
@MomofFour, I probably disagree with you regarding abortion
and I absolutely disagree with you about abortion being murder,
but I do agree that if abortion were illegal there would be far
fewer abortions simply because most physicians would obey
the law and most women would not take the chance with
an unlicensed physician. Before roe v. wade many unwed
mothers carried to term in ’schools’ and ‘academies’ and
surrendered the children to adoption.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:13 pm
“How about standing up for those innocent little ones who have no choice?”
Maybe they should choose better parents the next time. I’m still waiting for you, or any of the anti-abortion crowd, to tell me how you would force a woman to carry her unwanted pregnancy to term. I’ve asked that question many, many times over the last few years and gotten nothing but crickets as an answer.
Give it a shot, maybe you can do better than your compatriots. I take leave to doubt it, but what the heck…go for it.
Kamchak
October 9th, 2010
10:14 pm
How about standing up for those innocent…
Innocent?
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:15 pm
“Yes, “child.” What do you think it is, a turtle?!”
Nope, it’s a foetus. It’s not a child until it takes it’s first breath. At THAT point, it is separated from the woman and there’s no going back. Live or die, at THAT point it is a separate human being.
Granny Godzilla
October 9th, 2010
10:15 pm
Of course it’s not ok.
I was a little girl with my mom at the old orchard shopping center in skokie, il – home of a huge number of concentration camp survivors – and asked why the lady at the counter near us had numbers written on her arm.
Of course it’s not ok.
MomofFour
October 9th, 2010
10:16 pm
Doggone/GA: I can’t force anyone to do what’s right. I can teach my children what’s right and pray that they choose wisely when they are grown. If a woman is determined to end her pregnancy and has the financial means, she will find a way to do so, legal or not. However, I can guarantee that she will suffer for it, whether in this life or in eternity.
Kamchak
October 9th, 2010
10:17 pm
What do you think it is, a turtle?!
No, a symbiote.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:18 pm
” I can’t force anyone to do what’s right”
Then, like it or not you ARE pro-choice. Because you have just admitted that making abortion illegal will not save the lives you claim to want to save. What it comes down to…as always…is that the anti-abortion crowd wants to claim the right to PUNISH the woman involved, not save the life of the foetus.
As always.
MomofFour
October 9th, 2010
10:20 pm
Kamchak: Awww, see the ultrasound picture of my symbiote? Isn’t he cute?!
You guys are making my head hurt. Good night, everyone.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:21 pm
“You guys are making my head hurt”
Aw, gee
TGT
October 9th, 2010
10:22 pm
Come on you liberal champions of science, with ultrasounds, Doppler, my 9:25 above, surely your reasoned selves can see the light when it comes to life in the womb! I mean, if you accept that we “evolved” from some single-celled organism that existed billions of years ago, surely you can accept what is right before your eyes!
Kamchak
October 9th, 2010
10:22 pm
You guys are making my head hurt. Good night, everyone.
Toodles.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:23 pm
“surely your reasoned selves can see the light when it comes to life in the womb!”
Yep, life exists in the womb…and that makes God the greatest abortionist going.
MomofFour
October 9th, 2010
10:23 pm
Doggone/GA: Making abortion illegal will save millions of babies. If we can save even one, it’s worth all the effort.
And yes, I am pro-choice: you CHOOSE whether to have sex outside of marriage and produce a human offspring. The choice comes before a “symbiote” is conceived, not after.
wet wiccan
October 9th, 2010
10:24 pm
Josef – pribbling? PRIBBLING?
I am doing well, went to the Kaolin festival today.
Kamchak
October 9th, 2010
10:25 pm
…you CHOOSE whether to have sex outside of marriage and produce a human offspring.
Yeah, because some women CHOOSE to be raped.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:26 pm
“Making abortion illegal will save millions of babies. If we can save even one, it’s worth all the effort”
got some stats to back that up?
“The choice comes before a “symbiote” is conceived, not after.”
What about when birth control fails? Or rape occurs? Or a woman’s circumstances change? Or she doesn’t realize she is pregnant and is given some medicine for a condition that is HIGHLY detrimental to a devleoping foetus? (this one happened to a friend of mine, and yes, she had an abortion)
My attitude is always that there are FAR, FAR worse things that can happen than never being born.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:28 pm
“If we can save even one, it’s worth all the effort.”
If we can save even one woman from dying at that hands of a back-alley abortionist, it’s worth it.
Scout
October 9th, 2010
10:29 pm
Kamchak:
Oh, Mary you look so good. When is you fetus due?
Scout
October 9th, 2010
10:29 pm
Doggone/GA:
But old KKK Byrd sure ran for senator a lot of times and the libs. of W.Va. voted him in.
steve
October 9th, 2010
10:30 pm
i too am a WW2 re-enactor. i have even met the cadidate at events. lately i’m portraying. a soviet infantryman. i guess to knee jerk liberals, and other ASSortid know nothings that makes me a defender of the attrocities commited on orders from joe stalin. oh wait, i bet mr. b doesn’t believe the comunists commited attrocities. we re-enactors are a vast cross section of america, what we have in common is a love of history, and wanting to see in taught to those who didn’t learn in school. liberals don’t like history you see, all those nasty facts keep getting in their way. just as an f.y.i. i am a jew, lost all our family that stayed in europe. i am not offended by the portrayal of axis soldiers at WW2 events. the better they look, and perform their parts, the better it makes the real allied soldiers of WW2 look. because we won!
Scout
October 9th, 2010
10:30 pm
KKK Byrd – “You reap what you sow” Biblical
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:31 pm
“When is you fetus due?”
9 months after conception
“But old KKK Byrd sure ran for senator a lot of times and the libs. of W.Va. voted him in.”
To err is human, to forgive divine. For someone who has twice now claimed to be God, you sure are lacking in the divine department.
Scout
October 9th, 2010
10:32 pm
Left wing management :
And the illustrious Supreme Court once said that slaves were property and that it was o.k. to put Japanese American citizens in detention camps without due process.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:33 pm
“But old KKK Byrd sure ran for senator a lot of times and the libs. of W.Va. voted him in.”
Oh, and BTW, would you care to try to produce proof that ONLY “libs” voted for him?
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:34 pm
““You reap what you sow””
Yep, and he sowed contrition and reaped the trust of his constituents.
TGT
October 9th, 2010
10:34 pm
Kamchak: And what percent of abortions are due to rape? You’re reaching.
Also: MomofFour is right. Millions of lives would be saved if abortion were illegal. The CDC stats on abortion related deaths prior to Roe v. Wade reveal that there is NO WAY millions of illegal abortions were taking place prior to legalized abortion.
barking frog
October 9th, 2010
10:35 pm
@Doggone/GA, I believe it was the NAZIS who perfected the
process of forcing women to carry unwanted children to term.
The were the offspring of SS soldiers selected for their Aryan
traits and allowed to rape women with the same physical
traits.
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
10:36 pm
wiccan
I liked the way it sounded and when I went looking for the meaning, it turns out no one seems to know at least at quick search…now it’s got me wondering! Hope you had a good time…what did you have for lunch?
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:36 pm
” there is NO WAY millions of illegal abortions were taking place prior to legalized abortion”
One is too many
Jose Y Wales
October 9th, 2010
10:37 pm
“Second from left” is a RAF uniform – at least judging by the kilt …
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:37 pm
“I believe it was the NAZIS who perfected the process of forcing women to carry unwanted children to term”
I’d have to wonder, though, how many of them committed suicide?
Scout
October 9th, 2010
10:38 pm
Doggone/GA:
1) Be sure and ask the next pregnant lady friend or relatives when her “fetus” is due and report back.
2) I never claimed to be God. You absurdity is sickening and beneath comtempt. Blasphemy is a serious thing and the Bible says you should watch your step.
TGT
October 9th, 2010
10:38 pm
Nearly two hours have passed since my 7:44 challenge and not one example of Darwinian evolution contributing to operational science.
Kamchak
October 9th, 2010
10:38 pm
i guess to knee jerk liberals, and other ASSortid know nothings that makes me a defender of the attrocities[sic] commited[sic] on orders from joe stalin.
No, stevie-poo.
It makes you a person with a hobby.
If you were seeking election to a public office, it would make you politically naive.
TGT
October 9th, 2010
10:39 pm
Excuse me, three hours!
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:40 pm
“I never claimed to be God”
I will accept that you did not MEAN to, but the fact is that you DID…twice. And my recognition of what your statement meant is not blasphemy. Though it could be argued that what YOU said WAS.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:40 pm
“not one example of Darwinian evolution contributing to operational science”
Missed Jay’s post, didja?
Kamchak
October 9th, 2010
10:41 pm
And what percent of abortions are due to rape?
What’s percentage got to do with anything?
The assertion was that it was about “choice.”
Scout
October 9th, 2010
10:43 pm
Doggone:
Biblical Judging:
http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/articles/judging.html
Matthew 18:15-17 (Judging)
“Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.”
P.S. I have my two boxer puppies ……… eight weeks old today. One fawn, one solid white.
Scout
October 9th, 2010
10:44 pm
Kamchak:
Choice for the mother or child ?
Bumper sticker: “Equal Rights for Unborn Women”
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:45 pm
“Biblical Judging”
And what, exactly, does that particular paragraph have to do with you claiming to be God?
Kamchak
October 9th, 2010
10:45 pm
Choice for the mother or child ?
Child?
Scout
October 9th, 2010
10:45 pm
Doggone/GA:
I repeat. You assertion is sickening.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:47 pm
“You assertion is sickening”
too bad. Your harping on Senator Byrd is also sickening. By my count, that makes us even.
barking frog
October 9th, 2010
10:47 pm
Scout 10:43 Good Choice. Puppies should not be raised without a
partner. No human can provide the joy they provide to each other.
TGT
October 9th, 2010
10:47 pm
Doggone: Man you guys are weak tonight! I had that one debunked before he even posted it! I even called it!
Scout
October 9th, 2010
10:47 pm
Kamchak:
According to what God thinks – a “child”:
Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.”
wet wiccan
October 9th, 2010
10:48 pm
Josef – I big ol’ handful of white clay, what else? It’s not bad if you add jalapenos! (smile)
Scout
October 9th, 2010
10:49 pm
barking frog:
Brother and sister. Peaches and you guessed it ……….. Scout !
TGT
October 9th, 2010
10:49 pm
I mean, come on libs: Darwinian evolution is your Holy Grail! It is your guiding philosophy for your worldview and you can’t defend it any better than this?!
Kamchak
October 9th, 2010
10:50 pm
According to what God thinks…
And which “God” is that?
The Father?
The Son?
The Holy Ghost?
AmVet
October 9th, 2010
10:50 pm
TGT, it is such an absurd assertion, it really doesn’t warrant one
Unless of course you disagree with the widely held view that he is the modern father of biology due to his world-changing views on evolution which challenged long-held beliefs about the nature of adaptation, species differentiation and the links between man and other animals.
Oh and that other little item…
Charles Darwin’s Origin of the Species was published in 1859 and laid the groundwork for many naturalists, evolutionists, anthropologists and biologists in understanding the natural environment, evolution and the study of genetics.
You know, all those pseudo-sciences…
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:50 pm
“I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.”
so EVERYONE is a prophet now? that’s going to come as a big surprise to a lot of people who think Hitler was satanic. Turns out that all along he was a prophet of God. Who knew?
barking frog
October 9th, 2010
10:52 pm
Scout 10:49 Nah, with peaches I would have guessed Herb..
Scout
October 9th, 2010
10:52 pm
Doggone/GA:
Wrong ………. Yours was personally aimed at me. As if as I Christian I would claim to be God !
Makes you look unprofessional and even delusional and I take personal offense. You stepped across the line.
Scout
October 9th, 2010
10:55 pm
Doggon/GA: @ 10:50
Your continuous blasphemous posts are beyone the pale. That verse merely shows that God views the unborn as human life with a purpose.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:55 pm
” As if as I Christian I would claim to be God ! ”
I’ve already said that I would accept you did not INTEND to make that claim.
“Makes you look unprofessional”
last time I looked, posting on Jay’s blog was not a profession.
” and even delusional and I take personal offense. You stepped across the line.”
too bad. The words are yours, you said them. If you’re offended, take it out with your mirror.
Scout
October 9th, 2010
10:56 pm
barking frog :
Too bad. Peaches (the female) belongs to my wife and she picked the name.
barking frog
October 9th, 2010
10:56 pm
TGT
one example of Darwinian evolution contributing to operational science.
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Robert Oppenheimer.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
10:57 pm
“That verse merely shows that God views the unborn as human life with a purpose”
I thought you believed in the literal word of the Bible? Now you’re going to say that verse is a metaphor? Can’t have it both ways, either it’s LITERALLY true that EVERYONE is a prophe of God…or it’s not. Which is it?
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
10:59 pm
“I’d have to wonder, though, how many of them committed suicide?”
I cannot answer per this in WWII, but in the studies coming out of the former Yugoslavia of women who were raped by whichever group was doing the raping and who became pregnant, the number of abortions and of suicides remained consistent with the pre war statistics. While the number of children born of these tragic circumstances given over to orphanages was high, the number of women who chose to keep and raise the children was higher than those doing the research expected. These children are now reaching adulthood and the studies are continuing. Early findings are that these children are stable, well-adjusted members of society as are those adopted, generally, but not always, by members of the mother’s ethnic community and, interestingly, by couples in mixed marriages. Those brought up in institutions have “problems” consistent with those of children raised in institutions not from such origins.
Scout
October 9th, 2010
10:59 pm
Doggone/GA :
“If they hated me, they will hate you.” Jesus
Tonight you have fulfilled this prophetic word just as it has been fulfilled down through the centuries.
I’m done. You may have the last word.
barking frog
October 9th, 2010
10:59 pm
Scout 10:56 Well, I’m glad you have them. They won’t fill the void for
a while, but they will help.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
11:02 pm
“You may have the last word”
And I will take it. There is NOTHING in what I have said to you that could be construed to mean I hate you.
Scout
October 9th, 2010
11:02 pm
Plants – a body
Animals – a body and a spirit
Kamchak – a body, a soul and a spirit
And which Kamchak is that?