Nazi hobbyist as congressional candidate? And it’s OK?
Rich Iott is the Republican candidate to represent Ohio’s Ninth Congressional District, a seat now held by Democrat Marcy Kaptur. But as Josh Green of the Atlantic points out, Iott has had a rather unusual hobby for someone with ambitions of serving his country in Congress.
He likes to dress up in the uniform of the Waffen SS.
GOP congressional candidate Rich Iott, second from right, in the uniform of a Waffen SS officer.
For several years, in fact, Iott was a member of a group calling itself the Wikings, created to honor those who fought in World War II in the 5th SS Panzer Division. The division comprised volunteers to the Nazi cause drawn from outside Germany. As the Wiking site explains:
Nazi Germany had no problem in recruiting the multitudes of volunteers willing to lay down their lives to ensure a “New and Free Europe”, free of the threat of Communism. National Socialism was seen by many in Holland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, and other eastern European and Balkan countries as the protector of personal freedom and their very way of life, despite the true underlying totalitarian (and quite twisted, in most cases) nature of the movement. Regardless, thousands upon thousands of valiant men died defending their respective countries in the name of a better tomorrow. We salute these idealists; no matter how unsavory the Nazi government was, the front-line soldiers of the Waffen-SS (in particular the foreign volunteers) gave their lives for their loved ones and a basic desire to be free.
Idealists, in the name of a better tomorrow, motivated by a basic desire to be free. Lovely.
As the Wiking site goes on to explain, “It is our aim to bring you a bit of actual history behind the men who fought against the “Bolshevik scourge”; volunteers who came from the various Northern European countries allied with Hitler’s Germany who only had a desire to see an end to Soviet Communism.”
Iott explains his former hobby by likening it to Civil War re-enacters, noting that “you couldn’t do Civil War re-enacting if somebody didn’t play the role of the Confederates.”
“I’ve always been fascinated by the fact that here was a relatively small country that from a strictly military point of view accomplished incredible things,” Iott told Green. “I mean, they took over most of Europe and Russia, and it really took the combined effort of the free world to defeat them. From a purely historical military point of view, that’s incredible.”
Iott’s explanation, strained as it is, might be slightly more convincing if he and his friends had chosen to emulate a standard unit of the German Army, or Wehrmacht. The moral culpability of draftees conscripted into the German military is at least arguable.
Instead, they chose to emulate a division of the Waffen SS, a volunteer arm of the Nazi Party that played a prominent role in the wholesale slaughter of 6 million Jews and millions of other “undesirables.” In fact. the infamous Josef Mengele served in the 5th division early in the war, and it was directly implicated in several mass murders of Jewish captives.
Armed with this information, the people of the Ohio Ninth will no doubt cast their own judgment on Iott at the ballot box this November. But what I find fascinating is the reaction to the discovery. Here we’ve got a congressional candidate as a member of a group touting Nazi SS volunteers as idealists fighting for freedom, yet prominent right-wing blogs (here and here and here, for example) are defending Iott as a victim of liberal smears.
Green is creating an issue where one really doesn’t exist, we’re told, because dressing like the Waffen SS is “basically like the reenactors who play the Red Coats in American Revolution reenactments.” This is just another example of “shoddy political hackery” by liberal journalists, a “pathetic attack” by leftists ready to “smear anyone for anything if they think it might help them hold onto power.”
In other words, they’re all right with this behavior, and are willing to defend it.
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Dave R.
October 9th, 2010
7:29 pm
Yeah, AmVet, a real “out there” kind of guy. From his website:
“I believe in our Republic – a nation of laws – and that the Constitution is the foundation of those laws.
I believe that less government is good government and that the Constitution clearly defines the limited role of the federal government.
I believe in States’ Rights and that most laws and regulations should be made at the levels closest to the people which they affect.
I believe the primary mission of our government at the national level is to protect our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness and that a strong national defense is key to that mission.
I am a fiscal conservative and I believe in personal responsibility.
I believe in helping those who cannot help themselves, but I believe charity can best be handled by the private sector and through faith-based organizations.
I believe in the sanctity of life and I believe that a marriage is an institution between a man and a woman.
I believe that the country cannot borrow its way to prosperity or spend its way to stability any more than you or I can do that in our personal lives or businesses.
I believe that Americans are the most innovative and productive people on earth and that they can drive a robust economy which creates jobs and wealth at every level – if the government will just get out of their way.”
Except for the sanctity of life and marriage crap, he sounds pretty level-headed to me.
stands for decibels
October 9th, 2010
7:29 pm
TGT, for all your yabbbering, you haven’t specified how you would make first-trimester elective abortions illegal. Please tell us what kind of criminal penalties you’d advocate.
And while you’re at it, why don’t you hazard a guess as to how much public support you’d get amongst the public for throwing women and their docs in jail (or worse.)
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
7:31 pm
“Abortion illegal? Why shouldn’t it be Amvet? ”
Ok, let’s see you attempt to answer the question *I* ask every time this comes up: if abortion is made illegal, how would YOU go about FORCING a woman to carry her pregnancy to term?
If you don’t have a workable answer to that question, then – like it or not – you, too, are OK with a woman’s choice in the matter. You just want to reserve the right to PUNISH HER for making a choice you don’t like. If you can’t FORCE a reluctant woman to carry her pregnancy to term, making abortion illegal will not save ONE SINGLE LIFE.
Dave R.
October 9th, 2010
7:32 pm
First on the third!
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
7:33 pm
“I have never quite understood why Andersonville emerges as the iconic and symbolic”
You know that answer…because the winner writes the history
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
7:34 pm
“Trouble with the Pro-Life faction is that they really aren’t. They are just pro fetus. They don’t give a wank about life. If they did, there would be no gripe from them about Social Security or Medicare for the elderly. They would demand programs and support for the betterment of the lives they say they are trying to save”
And they would also be anti-war and anti-death penalty
@@
October 9th, 2010
7:36 pm
Unless I bring it up, I’ve never seen one of jay’s left-wingers voluntarily advocate for adoption over abortion. Abortion always seems to be THEIR first choice.
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
7:37 pm
Dave R
I Don’t Know’s on third…
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
7:39 pm
@@
@ 7:36
Then you’ve missed me. That’s how Unmentionable and I came to have our Little Bit…and, no, not ours to start with. Picking up behind messy breeders. ISH
Dave R.
October 9th, 2010
7:39 pm
josef:
Funny stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShMA85pv8M
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
7:41 pm
Dave R
Absolutely the best stand-up routine of all time, IMHO…
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
7:42 pm
“Abortion always seems to be THEIR first choice.”
Actually, you couldn’t even begin to back that up. It’s the WOMAN’S choice. Adoption or abortion, or carrying the pregnancy to term and raising the child…it’s HER CHOICE.
TGT
October 9th, 2010
7:44 pm
Normal: Really? Your saying that opposition to S.S., etc. is a hypocritical stance for a pro-lifer?! So in the 170+ year history of the U.S. before S.S., etc., millions of Americans were suffering and dying?!
AmVet: Ahh, the myth that just won’t die (like man-made global warming and Darwinian evolution!): if abortion becomes illegal, how much time will she do?
You are old enough to remember when abortion was illegal, right? The you should know, women in this country have never been treated like criminals for having an abortion; only the person who performs it has. (Actually, in the 200+ year history of this nation, there have been two women prosecuted for abortion: a Pennsylvania woman in 1911, a Texan in 1922. (The charges against the Pennsylvanian were quickly thrown out.))
Also, a challenge: Name ONE thing that Darwinian evolution contributes to operational science.
@@
October 9th, 2010
7:45 pm
josef:
You are what I’ve come to appreciate as jay’s exceptional left-winger.
(ISH)
Normal
October 9th, 2010
7:46 pm
I’m sorry, but my copy of the Constitution doesn’t mention anything about the elderly getting government-paid vacations for life starting at age 65.
Does yours?
The next time you say you are pro life, I’m calling you a prevaricator…
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
7:47 pm
@@
I just try to live according to my principles and not just the latest memo…
Normal
October 9th, 2010
7:49 pm
@@,
You mentioned adoption and all I’m going to say is that after years of trying to adopt a baby here in the States, my son and daughter in law had to go to China to adopt. weird, huh?
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
7:50 pm
NORMAL
You have to read it backward and listen for the hidden messages!
@@
October 9th, 2010
7:50 pm
Doggone:
You spend countless hours here trying to coax everyone into accepting the leftist point of view. So what….you choose not to encourage women away from abortion and towards adoption as the better alternative for everyone involved? The mother suffers no feelings of guilt…the baby gets to live, and some eager couple gets to love a child.
Is it just easier to promote abortion?
AmVet
October 9th, 2010
7:51 pm
TGT, thanks for the non-response.
So, *again* you would advocate that these women who have illegal abortions to get away with murder?
Or do you advocate that they face justice – go to jail or be put to death?
Surely you are not proposing that you are opposed to the rule of law?
And if it is as it seems and you are, then what is the point?
Imprisoning the doctors, nurses, etc who perform them?
Or do they too get a free pass for “breaking the law”?
Normal
October 9th, 2010
7:51 pm
TGT
October 9th, 2010
7:44 pm
Not exactly sure what you are trying to say there, but it sounds like a side step to me. It’s all about LIFE in Toto.
Normal
October 9th, 2010
7:52 pm
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
7:50 pm
I think I must have to stand on my head, too!
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
7:52 pm
“you choose not to encourage women away from abortion and towards adoption as the better alternative for everyone involved? ”
I’m in no position to encourage a woman to do anything with her pregnancy, but – and you might not like to hear this – IF I ever was, I would most certainly encourage her to consider carrying the pregnancy to term and then adopting if she still feels unable to care for the child.
What I DO NOT LIKE is the call to make abortion illegal. There’s no way to save a single foetus that way, it’s only – and ever – just a call to punish the woman. And that’s ALL it is.
Dusty
October 9th, 2010
7:55 pm
Del,
That squirrel revival was funny. It was far from the truth but not beyond today’s super squirrels. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they did show up in church nibbling on communion wafers. When they start preaching, I’m leaving.
josef,
Bookman’s love affair with Palin seems to have cooled. I think he has decided that she is not going to run for anything. He doesn’t waste much time on non-runners. To run or not to run? That is the question.
Oh where are my darling Braves tonight? LIving it up and ready to fight!! Go Braves (tomorrow)!!!
AmVet
October 9th, 2010
7:55 pm
Doggone at 7:52, exceptionally well said…
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
8:01 pm
DUSTY
Our squirrels are Catholic and follow church doctrine on birth control…
Left wing management
October 9th, 2010
8:02 pm
“You know that answer…because the winner writes the history”
I think it’s time for this bit of conventional wisdom to come under closer scrutiny.
The vanquished are only unable to participate in the writing of history when their wiped out.
TGT
October 9th, 2010
8:05 pm
AmVet: You did read my last post, right?
I’ll try again, using the words of another: “Today, not one proposed abortion ban criminalizes the woman who has an abortion. In fact, measures like the infamous South Dakota abortion ban of 2006 made no mention of her–only of the person performing it. The doctor is the one subjected to jail time and fines. The doctor is the only person these laws aim to punish.”
Normal: Man you libs are slow today. You hinted at the hypocrisy of pro-lifers because of their opposition to various govt. social programs. I was simply pointing out that for most of the history of this nation, Americans got along well without such programs. AND they certainly were not dying to the tune of tens of millions per decade as have those in the womb since Roe v. Wade. In other words, your attempt at labeling pro-lifers as hypocrites was quite lame.
Dave R.
October 9th, 2010
8:06 pm
“The next time you say you are pro life, I’m calling you a prevaricator…”
Why do you try to paint everybody into a label, Normal? I am neither pro-life nor pro-abortion. I am all for an individual’s right to do as he or she pleases as long as they don’t take my life, liberty or property through the use of force or fraud.
What part of “I don’t care what anyone does in your private life” do you NOT understand?
My belief is that as long as you want the state to determine when a life is “legal”, which today is at birth, anything done before that paperwork occurs is between the female and her Maker.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
8:06 pm
Thanks, AmVet
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
8:07 pm
“I think it’s time for this bit of conventional wisdom to come under closer scrutiny”
Umm hmmm…when you come up with a way to give the poweless (as in vanquished) a say in how history is written by the winners…get back to us with it.
@@
October 9th, 2010
8:09 pm
Normal:
The adoption process is too complicated. Rudy Giuliani, who was alright by my standards, put forth measures in NYC that would simplify the process. The number of abortions decreased. Rudy, however, has and is pro-choice to the best of my knowledge.
I’ll never forget some woman from NARAL who came out in protest of Rudy. She said the average age of children being adopted was somewhere between 5 and 8 so he couldn’t claim babies were being adopted.
My initial thought was…….”HECK, any child being adopted is a good thing.”
She, being a spokesperson for NARAL was pro-choice. Why she had a problem with Rudy was beyond me. I guess she was more into protecting abortion than she was into advocating for children.
TGT
October 9th, 2010
8:09 pm
Still awaiting a response to my 7:44 challenge. Come on now, surely all of you libs that hold Darwinian evolution so dear can give me one example.
(I’ll bet I know where one of you will go…don’t do it!)
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
8:10 pm
“Why she had a problem with Rudy was beyond me”
If you have repeated the story accurately…it doesn’t sound like she had a problem with HIM, only with how he was characterizing the results in the change in adoption rules.
Dave R.
October 9th, 2010
8:12 pm
TGT, just look here -
http://www.darwinawards.com/
- to see Darwin in action. Evolution proven every single day.
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
8:13 pm
left wing
In his work, The Book of Laughter and Forgetting, the acclaimed Czech dissident Milan Kundera, writing in exile, recalls a conversation he had with one of his former professors who was dismissed from his post following the Soviet invasion ending the Prague Spring of 1968:
“‘The first step in liquidating a people,’ said Hubl, ‘is to erase its memory. Destroy its books, its culture, its history. Then have somebody write new books, manufacture a new culture, invent a new history. Before long the nation will begin to forget what it is and what it was. The world around them will forget even faster.’
“‘What about language?’
“‘Why would anyone bother to take it from us? It will soon be a
matter of folklore and die a natural death.’
Was that hyperbole dictated by utter despair?
Or is it true that a nation cannot cross a desert of organized forgetting?
None of us knows what will be. One thing, however, is certain: in moments of clairvoyance the Czech nation can glimpse its own death at close range. Not as an accomplished fact, not as the inevitable future, but as a perfectly concrete possibility. Its death is at its side.”
Dusty
October 9th, 2010
8:17 pm
josef, 8:04
You got the NICE squirrels. All the naughty ones around here are wearing yarmulkas!
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
8:21 pm
DUSTY
But do they invite you to the bris?
AmVet
October 9th, 2010
8:21 pm
TGT, why this aversion to answering straight-forward, simple questions?
Why would you not punish these women? After all they are obviously complicit in these “murders”, are they not? Yet you allow them to be complete scofflaws and to actually get away scott-free with this “holocaust”! Very, very, very bizarre and capricious.
Oh yes, for a return to those good old days.
When women had to often drive great distances, surreptitiously, to get an often dangerous and deadly abortion done, by what were called coat-hanger doctors. Who operated covertly without access to modern day medical facilities for fear of being imprisoned.
That worked out so well last time, didn’t it?
“The National Center for Health Statistics listed 235 deaths from abortion in 1965. Total mortality from illegal abortions was undoubtedly larger than that figure, but in all likelihood it was under 1,000.”
A few hundred dead women this year, a few hundred more next year, A few hundred more every year going forward. Which is not an unreasonable number of deaths for the “pro-life” types, I gather…
Jay
October 9th, 2010
8:21 pm
TGT, you asked earlier whether millions of Americans were suffering and dying prior to Social Security. Hell yes they were. That’s why SS was enacted in the first place, to try to ease that suffering and extreme poverty among the elderly.
You also asked earlier what evolution has contributed to “operational science.” First of all, I didn’t know that science has to be “operational” to be valid. The sun, we now know, is 92,955,807 miles from Earth. Is that “operational?” Since I’m uncertain of your definition, I don’t know. But it is certainly true.
As to evolution, it gives us an explanation for why antibiotics and pesticides, etc., lose their effectiveness over time. It drove the search for DNA and RNA, as scientists tried to discover the mechanism by which evolution occurred. And that in turn is likely to lead to a transformation is health care.
Finally, regarding abortion, I agree that law has generally not prosecuted the would-be mother. My question is, what is the logical and moral basis of that practice? How do you justify NOT prosecuting a mother who, in the pro-life conception, seeks to kill her own child? How do you prosecute the physician, who is merely the hired agent, but NOT the pregnant woman, who seeks out and pays the assassin?
What is the moral justification for that? I would love to hear that explained.
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
8:24 pm
RW
I thought I saw a Puddy Cat!
TGT
October 9th, 2010
8:24 pm
I had forgotten about those Dave! (Still not an example of one kind of creature changing into another.)
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
8:26 pm
JAY
Since you’re here. If you have not, go back and read JohnnyReb’s 2:53 and 4:33 of November 7.
Jay
October 9th, 2010
8:27 pm
Kundera is fascinating, Josef. I’m about to tackle a major reading and rereading of his novels, for a project I have in mind, and I’m really looking forward to it. From Gogol to Kafka to Kundera, I’m thinking there’s something that explains these very strange times we’re in.
Jay
October 9th, 2010
8:28 pm
what was the topic?
thebob.bob
October 9th, 2010
8:29 pm
Nazi’s?? Really?? TEA party Republicans??? Who would have thought? Has Frau Palin started the New American Fascist Party already???
Remember, it was the massive Corporate support (The Bush Family?) that helped the Nazis take control of Germany.
Fear, Hatred, Distortion, Distraction and Division is all Republicans have to offer America.
Dave R.
October 9th, 2010
8:30 pm
“That’s why SS was enacted in the first place, to try to ease that suffering and extreme poverty among the elderly.”
That’s certainly the convenient reason, Jay.
But most really understand that it was a one-time issue during the Depression that allowed that grand old Socialist, FDR, to enact another government program to envelope more people into the kindly and safe bosom of the all-caring Federal government.
Heil-arious « HYSTERICAL RAISINS
October 9th, 2010
8:30 pm
[...] all, they realize that ol’ Rich is just a victim. (CNN) – The Ohio Congressional candidate who has received national attention for a photo [...]
Normal
October 9th, 2010
8:31 pm
Jay,
Thanks for that explanation to TGT…you are the word meister and that’s why you make the big bucks!
Dusty
October 9th, 2010
8:31 pm
josef,
No, they did not invite me to a bris and did not send a bottle of Manichevitz either. I forgive the first faux pas but never the second. Resentment still simmers!
Dave R.
October 9th, 2010
8:32 pm
“Fear, Hatred, Distortion, Distraction and Division is all Republicans have to offer America.”
Please. As if the Democrats are lily-white in that regard, bob. Missed much of the past 24 months, have you?
Normal
October 9th, 2010
8:33 pm
I, for one, would like to see Frau Palin in lederhosen…heh, heh
Scout
October 9th, 2010
8:34 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe :
There was a higher number of Confederate prisoners that died and Camp Chase, Ohio than Union prisoners at Andersonville. Not total numbers but percentage. The Union Camp Commander got a medal and the Confederate Camp Commander was hung.
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
8:34 pm
Jay
Gay marriage…
Make sure to add The Unbearable Lightness of Being and if it’s Slavic you’re aiming for and the strange times we’re in, two , Jerzy Kosinski’s The Painted Bird and more Tadeusz Borowski’s This Way for the Gas, Ladies and Gentlemen….
Scout
October 9th, 2010
8:35 pm
P.S. My Great, great grandfather was one of those at Camp Chase who didn’t make it.
TGT
October 9th, 2010
8:35 pm
Jay: So there is recorded history of millions (or even thousands) of Americans starving to death, etc. prior to S.S., etc.? Must have missed that in history class.
“As to evolution, it gives us an explanation for why antibiotics and pesticides, etc., lose their effectiveness over time.”
UNBELIEVABLE!!! IKNEW IT!!! (The first example and from the host himself!) (See my 8:09–my wife is my witness as to what I was referring.)
Antibiotic-resistant bacteria, and insecticide-resistant insects are not evidence for Darwinian evolution. The genetic information for these resistances was already present in some of the creatures. They then reproduce more resistant creatures, but this is not an example of one kind of creature changing to another. “In no case have bacteria become resistant through a gain of new information. For example, the PBS series Evolution discussed a deadly strain of TB that has been linked to a patient in a Russian prison who failed to complete his antibiotic treatments. The program makes it clear that the surviving TB organism was already resistant, so this is not evolution.”
AmVet
October 9th, 2010
8:37 pm
So if the anti-aborionists truly think that justice is fully served by jailing ONLY the provider, and not the recipient, of these would-be illegal abortions, I propose that ONLY the provider of illegal drug sales, and not the recipient, be jailed.
Oh by the way, TGT, further reading for the selective justice crowd:
In W. Cates et al (”Trends in national abortion mortality, United States, 1940-1974,” Advances in Planned Parenthood, 1976), we find that 1,682 abortion-related deaths were officially reported in 1940. If we guess that this figure represents roughly a quarter of actual mortality due to illegal abortion, we get 6,800 deaths.
But I can only presume that TGT actually wants to make abortions illegal and deadly. He has yet to state whether he is or isn’t, merely “Abortion illegal? Why shouldn’t it be Amvet?”
Scout
October 9th, 2010
8:38 pm
You libs. sure glossed over this one on my ealier post ……………………..
In 1944, Byrd wrote to segregationist Mississippi Senator Theodore Bilbo:
“ I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side … Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. ”
— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944,
Jay
October 9th, 2010
8:40 pm
I’ve read Unbearable and Painted Bird; my father in law was actually a good friend of Kosinski. At one point, even slept on Jerzy’s couch when things on the home front were a little … unsettled.
But Eastern European magical realism as a genre offers a lot in these times, I suspect.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
8:42 pm
Scout…as I’ve said already, for a self-identified Christian you sure seem to have a problem with following the Bible in forgiveness. I thought you claimed you believed EVERYTHING in the Bible?
RW-(the original)
October 9th, 2010
8:43 pm
JohnnyReb’s comments will be easier to find if you go back to October 7th rather than November.
Normal
October 9th, 2010
8:44 pm
TGT, You’re a hoot!
———————–
Scout,
What does 144 have to do with today’s Armed Forces? and who the hell cares about what Byrd said about Black men then? He ended up wrong too, didn’t he? Get your head out of your messkit and look around…it’s 2010, now.
Dusty
October 9th, 2010
8:44 pm
Well, I see the blog has gone off the deep side of a lemming’s cliff. Bookman’s gone to preaching on Saturday night. There are better things to do (like watching the Braves but they are not playing! sob….)
So I am reading Shakespeare’s invectives to see what fits who.
“Endless liar, an hourly promise breaker, the owner of no good quality.”
or
“Envious barking of your saucy tongue.”
or
“if he be less, he’s nothing; but he’s more, had I more name for badness.”
or
“Out, you green-sickness carrion.”
or
“Stuffing the ears of men with false reports.”..Did Shakespeare know Bookman?
RW-(the original)
October 9th, 2010
8:45 pm
josef,
You probably already know this, but if you click on “link” below someone’s comment the URL that it jumps to will be a direct link to that particular comment.
Jay
October 9th, 2010
8:48 pm
Ah, thanks Rw. I did see that at the time, and took encouragement from it. Not only for that particular issue, but about us all in general.
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
8:48 pm
JAY
Wow! What I would give to have been a fly on the wall there!
Not long ago I was asked to name the 10 books which had impressed me the most. The Painted Bird was number one on my list.
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
8:49 pm
RW
Getting a little ahead of myself there, eh? Thanks…
Scout
October 9th, 2010
8:49 pm
Doggone/GA:
I’ll try to explain it to you one more time
since you are missing the entire point.
This is not about Byrd or forgiveness for him. It is about the liberal hypocrisy of forgiving/ignoring/justifying/looking the other way for liberal candidates but not conservative ones.
Thus, the candiate who wore a German uniform is not qualified but Obama consorting with known, unrepentant terrorists is just fine and dandy.
RW-(the original)
October 9th, 2010
8:50 pm
josef,
If I was in your profession I’d be jumping ahead to June 2011.
Del
October 9th, 2010
8:51 pm
The blog seems to be all over the place but that’s okay. On abortion…it’s murder. You can rationalize it anyway you want but it’s still murder. I thought you lib’s we’re against the death penalty. So much for free thinking liberals. If it’s a part of the overall liberal agenda then it has to be acceptable or you’re a lib heretic because the lemming mentality disallows free thinkers.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
8:51 pm
” It is about the liberal hypocrisy of forgiving/ignoring/justifying/looking the other way for liberal candidates but not conservative ones.”
Byrd is not a candidate for anything…he’s DEAD
Scout
October 9th, 2010
8:52 pm
Normal:
If you don’t know I can’t help you.
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
8:53 pm
DUSTY
Did you see wiccan’s link the other night?
http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/shake_rule.html
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
8:54 pm
RW
Hey, I’ve got 820 sick days built up!
Normal
October 9th, 2010
8:56 pm
Scout, you’re a hoot, too.
RW-(the original)
October 9th, 2010
8:56 pm
Hey, I’ve got 820 sick days built up!
You building a bridge to retirement?
Dusty
October 9th, 2010
8:56 pm
whoops, the blog is in big trouble.
Bookman is going to read Kafka to find out what is wrong with today’s world. KAFKA? That’s like asking a bed bug how to make a bed. On how to make a saner world, ask the crazies.
Scout
October 9th, 2010
8:56 pm
“History is written by the victors.”
“Politics is almost as exciting as war, and quite as dangerous. In war you can only be killed once, but in politics many times.”
Winston Churchill
Scout
October 9th, 2010
8:57 pm
Normal:
Thank you.
MomofFour
October 9th, 2010
8:58 pm
AmVet: In case you missed something, abortion is always deadly to one person. I have four small kids here, and one we lost during pregnancy. I saw each one of them on ultrasound as they developed and grew in the womb. Women who choose abortions often aren’t given the information and pictures of their babies in the womb. They are deceived into thinking that the children they are carrying are simply “blobs of tissue,” etc. That is why the women who abort their babies shouldn’t necessarily be prosecuted. The abortionists know that they are killing human beings; the mothers often don’t realize what they are doing until it is too late. This is why millions of women live with regret, shame, and guilt over killing their children.
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
9:00 pm
RW
You got it! And the closer it gets, the c*ckier I get!
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 9th, 2010
9:00 pm
Beslubbering, beef-witted, barnacles.
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
9:00 pm
“This is why millions of women live with regret, shame, and guilt over killing their children.”
They make their choice, and they DO have to live with it. But no matter how you try to characterize it, until a foetus is at the developmental stage where it could be expected to survive outside the womb it is not a person. It is, at best, a symbiote of the woman’s body.
Dave R.
October 9th, 2010
9:00 pm
Early night tonight. Feel free to argue about nothing in general – like the original purpose of this particular blog post by Jay.
Left wing management
October 9th, 2010
9:02 pm
Doggone/GA 8:07: Since when are the vanquished powerless?
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
9:03 pm
DUSTY
Then you are recommending “Metamorphosis?” If so, I concur…
Del
October 9th, 2010
9:04 pm
MomofFour,
“This why millions of woman live with regret, shame, and guilt over killing their children” Excellent point but the travesty is that the far-left doesn’t really care about the pain a woman might carry for the rest of her life, they only care about the lefts ideology.
RW-(the original)
October 9th, 2010
9:04 pm
I think I’ve found a way to continue with the music and stay on topic
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 9th, 2010
9:06 pm
Some days, it just ain’t your day……….
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Video-Texas-Tech-should-probably-just-give-up-o?urn=ncaaf-275803
Del
October 9th, 2010
9:07 pm
Doggone@9:00pm,
What a deranged way of thinking.
Dusty
October 9th, 2010
9:08 pm
josef,
I have my own little book of “Slang from Shakespeare” which is fun to wander thru at times. Anderson M. Baten put it together in 1936. He wanted us to know that nothing is new. “Today is the pupil of ysterday. Man is an infant born at midnight, who, when he sees the sun rise, thinks that yesterday has never existed.”
Sounds like the thrift store. “Nothing is new!”
josef nix
October 9th, 2010
9:10 pm
Hillbilly
qualling motley-minded measle
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
9:12 pm
“Since when are the vanquished powerless?”
snort!
Hillbilly Deluxe
October 9th, 2010
9:12 pm
qualling motley-minded measle
Well, I never………
Doggone/GA
October 9th, 2010
9:13 pm
“What a deranged way of thinking”
Reality hurts
AmVet
October 9th, 2010
9:15 pm
“AmVet: In case you missed something, abortion is always deadly to one person.”
Nope, Mom, I did not miss that.
And though I believe though your heart is in the right place Mom, I also believe your argument excusing the recipient of abortions, because they are deceived, etc. is misguided.
Would you then excuse the deceived, but prosecute the non-deceived? And what other justifications would allow woman A to be prosecuted, and woman B to not be?
If the anti-abortionists insist that the doctor, nurse, etc is going to be jailed for doing the illegal abortion, so should the mother. (With exceptions for rape, incest, etc?)
To do otherwise is to accomplish nothing but create an endless series of black-market abortion providers, which would allow for the same women to get multiple abortions at different deadly locales.
The only rational way to end this holocaust and more importantly, the only rational attempt at justice for all is that ALL parties be punished.
To aver otherwise is capricious and lawfully inconsistent.
Also, know that I have publicly stated repeatedly that I find abortion to be awful. Especially as a means of birth control. I have also stated that I find these draconian, outdated and counter-productive measures, as advocated by TGT and others, to be a “cure” that is worse than the disease…
TGT
October 9th, 2010
9:18 pm
AmVet: Another myth (you’re on a roll!): Deadliness of “back-alley abortions.”
“Dr. Mary S. Calderone, a former director of Planned Parenthood wrote in the American Journal of Public Health, “Abortion is no longer a dangerous procedure. This applies not just to therapeutic abortions as performed in hospitals but also to so-called illegal abortions as done by physician. In 1957 there were only 260 deaths in the whole country attributed to abortions of any kind…Second, and even more important, the conference [on abortion sponsored by Planned Parenthood] estimated that 90 percent of all illegal abortions are presently being done by physicians…Whatever trouble arises usually arises from self-induced abortions, which comprise approximately 8 percent, or with the very small percentage that go to some kind of non-medical abortionist…So remember…abortion, whether therapeutic or illegal, is in the main no longer dangerous, because it is being done well by physicians.” This was written in 1960!
Another stunning admission about the manufacturing of illegal abortion numbers comes from Dr. Bernard Nathanson, former director of the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws (now known as the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League – - NARAL). In his classic 1979 book Aborting America, Dr. Nathanson wrote, “How many deaths were we talking about when abortion was illegal? In NARAL, we generally emphasized the frame of the individual case, not the mass statistics, but when we spoke of the latter it was always 5,000 to 10,000 deaths a year. I confess that I knew that the figures were totally false and I suppose that others did too if they stopped to think of it. But in the ‘morality’ of our revolution, it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics? The overriding concern was to get the laws eliminated, and anything within reason that had to be done was permissible.”
Admittedly the consequences of illegal abortion is complicated. However, this is mostly due to the lies of the left when it comes to abortion/life in the womb. MomofFour is right: millions of women have been deceived by the decades of lies when it comes to what is growing inside them. Thus, laws against abortion, as it did before, generally treats the woman as a second victim
Again, to all of you pro-abortionists: What about the science behind life in the womb. Ever heard a heart beating at 8 weeks? Ever seen a 20-week old child moving–even sucking its thumb–in the womb. If you’re a parent you have. And you have the gall to act as if that is not a life?!
Normal: I’m a hoot, but you still can’t give me one example of Darwinian evolution contributing to operational science. What does that make you?
AmVet
October 9th, 2010
9:21 pm
HD, sometimes I be slobbering, but now I can more correctly say I am beslubbering!
And should TT’s special teams be called special-ed teams?
RW, just when I think I’ve seen and heard the most bizarre stuff imaginable, somebody ups the ante!
Kamchak
October 9th, 2010
9:21 pm
If it’s a part of the overall liberal agenda then it has to be acceptable or you’re a lib heretic…
Yeah, because it was us libs that came up with that whole purity pledge thingie.
Dusty
October 9th, 2010
9:21 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe,
There’s always
“You bawling, blasphemous, uncharitable dog”. A little dog bite never hurt.