Obama v. Fox News, a long American tradition

In an interview with Rolling Stone, President Obama was asked a question about the impact and role of Fox News. He responded as follows:

“Look, as president, I swore to uphold the Constitution, and part of that Constitution is a free press. We’ve got a tradition in this country of a press that oftentimes is opinionated. The golden age of an objective press was a pretty narrow span of time in our history. Before that, you had folks like Hearst who used their newspapers very intentionally to promote their viewpoints. I think Fox is part of that tradition — it is part of the tradition that has a very clear, undeniable point of view. It’s a point of view that I disagree with. It’s a point of view that I think is ultimately destructive for the long-term growth of a country that has a vibrant middle class and is competitive in the world. But as an economic enterprise, it’s been wildly successful. And I suspect that if you ask Mr. Murdoch what his number-one concern is, it’s that Fox is very successful.”

Personally, I think that statement is A.) quite accurate; and B.) a natural, inevitable part of the give and take of politics. When media outlets run stories that are critical of a politician, the politician responds, sometimes with criticism of his or her own. Here in Georgia, politicians have campaigned against “those lying Atlanta newspapers” for generations, and they continue to do so to this very day. It comes with the territory.

And yeah, Obama’s the president, which means that his words carry a lot of weight. But Rupert Murdoch and Fox News are big boys too — somehow I think they can handle it. If you can’t withstand a little pushback from politicians, you better go find another line of work, because you’re too much of a wimp for this one.

However, some of my media colleagues disagree with me. For example, David Zurawik, a TV critic for the Baltimore Sun, claims to see Obama’s running feud with Fox as some sort of threat to “a press independent from the reaches and power of any of the branches of government” and further suggests that the president doesn’t respect the role of a free press.

I wonder what Zurawik and others would make of Thomas Jefferson, who wrote eloquently and often about the importance of a free press, calling it our single most important bulwark in defense of liberty. But in 1805, in his second Inaugural Address, Jefferson also complained bitterly that in order to destroy his administration, “the artillery of the press has been leveled against us, charged with whatsoever its licentiousness could devise or dare.” Again, that was in his inaugural address, not in some interview with Rolling Stone. And it was just one of many examples of Jefferson complaining about press abuses, which “have been carried to a length never before known or borne by any civilized nation.”

In his Rolling Stone comments, Obama mentioned another prime example in William Randolph Hearst, who in the first half of the 20th century owned a powerful chain of newspapers and used them to conduct a bitter assault on Franklin Roosevelt. For example, in one 1936 editorial that he wrote himself and published on the front page of every newspaper he owned, Hearst charged that FDR was doing the handiwork of the Communists in Moscow and had “adopted the platform of the Karl Marx Socialists in almost every word and letter.”

The FDR White House responded to what it called “a certain notorious newspaper owner,” releasing a statement that in some ways sounds eerily modern.

“Such articles are conceived in malice and born of political spite,” the statement read. “The American people will not permit their attention to be diverted from real issues to fake issues which no patriotic, honorable decent citizen would purposely inject into American affairs.”

Roosevelt himself, in an appearance at the annual Gridiron Club dinner in Washington, took playful note of the press campaign against him. Some character by the name of Franklin Roosevelt, a true villain, kept showing up in all his newspapers, FDR said. This guy Roosevelt, he said, “combined the worst features of Ivan the Terrible, Machiavelli, Judas Iscariot, Henry VIII … and Jesse James. He was engaged in a plot to wreck the American Constitution, to poison the Supreme Court, to demolish capitalism, to wreck old-age security…. in short, to blot from the face of the Earth the United States as we have known it.”

That too sounds familiar.

Obama, in other words, is doing somewhat gently what Jefferson, FDR and others had done aggressively, and in fact what politicians everywhere do. He has every right to point out that Fox has “a very clear, undeniable point of view,” because it’s the truth and everyone knows it. That point of view shows up in myriad ways, some large, some small. And the small ways are often the most telling.

In that same Rolling Stone interview, for example, Obama was asked about his musical tastes these days. He responded:

“My iPod now has about 2,000 songs, and it is a source of great pleasure to me. I am probably still more heavily weighted toward the music of my childhood than I am the new stuff. There’s still a lot of Stevie Wonder, a lot of Bob Dylan, a lot of Rolling Stones, a lot of R&B, a lot of Miles Davis and John Coltrane. Those are the old standards.

A lot of classical music. I’m not a big opera buff in terms of going to opera, but there are days where Maria Callas is exactly what I need.

Thanks to Reggie [Love, the president's personal aide], my rap palate has greatly improved. Jay-Z used to be sort of what predominated, but now I’ve got a little Nas and a little Lil Wayne and some other stuff, but I would not claim to be an expert. Malia and Sasha are now getting old enough to where they start hipping me to things. Music is still a great source of joy and occasional solace in the midst of what can be some difficult days.”

Personally, the bit about Maria Callas gets me worried. But that’s not what caught the attention of those good folks at FoxNation.com. Here’s how they pitched it on their website:

foxrap

Hearst would be so proud.

839 comments Add your comment

DebbieDoRight

September 30th, 2010
2:32 pm

That link is not an opinion. It has videos to prove the point. But you righties, even when peppered wth facts, deny.

Reminds me of an episode I saw of “Cheaters”. The woman had video proof of her husband cheating, caught said husband in an “embarrasing” moment at the park (butt naked w/some girl); yet the husband DENIED he was cheating. Claimed he was set up!! Sounds familiar…………….

Doggone/GA

September 30th, 2010
2:32 pm

“all your other Demwit clowns now running congress were equally to blame.”

I do, and I have. You can ask ANYONE who has been here since back then…*I* would have IMPEACHED every Congress member who voted Yes on that resolution. EVERY ONE.

jewcowboy

September 30th, 2010
2:33 pm

Media bias?

“Actually I had to listen to the black radio station on the Marta trolley on my way to and from work.”

MARTA trolley?

Dave R.

September 30th, 2010
2:35 pm

“Having no specific knowledge of CA laws, I would say it would depend on if it falls under their purview or not.”

jewcowboy, please. This is more a response worthy of TaxPayer in it’s dodging. You’re better than that. At the very least, Federal law was broken But I guess that under the administration of the least qualified person to enter any room, states are not allowed to enforce Federal laws, right?

John

September 30th, 2010
2:35 pm

@ jewcowboy

Lets just do the simple math on main News media.

Liberal: ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, BBN… Can’t think of all of the other major news media.

Conservative based: Fox News

Tell me who else or what other mainstream news media does not leans towards Fox News views? NONE

So much so that our weak, thin skinned President has to go on the cover of Rolling Stone(Also Liberal to say the least) to tell America that Fox’s views are distructing to America. This is the same publication that got killed his Generals career. Isn’t that so weak that it makes you puke? Nevermind… You’re a Liberal and will spin that BS.

Don't Forget

September 30th, 2010
2:35 pm

Even with the pullback Thursday, the Dow has risen 7.8 percent this month, putting it in line for its best September since 1939.

JMoore

September 30th, 2010
2:35 pm

First of all, probably none of the words in that article are Obozo’s. He is as dumb as a turnip and can’t breathe without a teleprompter. Finally, he is an idiot–a very dangerous idiot.

Media bias?

September 30th, 2010
2:38 pm

jewcowboy,

Yes. I would take the train from Buckhead to the sandy springs station by Perimeter mall. Then you take a trolley over to the king and queen towers. The driver of the trolley always had it on that station. I never imagined there could be so much hate and disinformation on a radio station but there is. There is no alternate point of view on that station. Its all one sided pro Democrat, very hateful speech. Its never good to listen to one point of view whether it be Fox news or any of the liberal outlets like ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN. I like fox news but I also tune into the other stations to see what they are saying.

jm

September 30th, 2010
2:38 pm

Doggone 2:32 – I’m pretty sure that’s not an impeachable offense. But glad to know you blame the Dems for being to conservative….

Atlantan

September 30th, 2010
2:39 pm

The truth wins in the end – right now we are looking at $2.6 trillion in new debt created by Obama, 9.6% unemployment rate – Obama is President isn’t he. Did I mention the the half-arsed attempt to fight the war in Afghanistan with our young Americans needlessly dying.

This has nothing to do with Fox News. Barack needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and get to know Mr. Integrity as currently he has very little.

jewcowboy

September 30th, 2010
2:40 pm

JKL2,

If you actually do care to find out the events and reasoning leading up to Operation Desert Fox, I would suggest you review the timeline of UNSCOM.

http://www.un.org/Depts/unscom/Chronology/chronologyframe.htm

Paul

September 30th, 2010
2:41 pm

2:28

DDR! Ouch!

mm

September 30th, 2010
2:42 pm

“That piece is no more fact than Bookman or Cynthia Tucker’s pieces”

Too funny. No wonder the cons think all of the other networks are liberal.

jm

September 30th, 2010
2:43 pm

So… Obama deserves a Nobel prize prior to achieving anything. The Nobel award committee looks like a bunch of morons.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/09/30/one_nobel_year_later_its_a_hard_world_after_all_for_obama_107374.html

Doggone/GA

September 30th, 2010
2:44 pm

“I’m pretty sure that’s not an impeachable offense”

It was as far as I’m concerned. The Constitution give Congress the power to declare war. By voting yes they abdicated that responsibility to the executive branch, and that TO ME is, or should, be an impeachable offense.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 30th, 2010
2:45 pm

OK sports fans. y’all are missing the point. it didn’t matter if Clinton “knew” there were WMDs or no WMDs in Iraq. it didn’t matter what the CIA knew and when it knew? we were going in, and Bush et al opted for the hard sell; so they offered this “faulty intelligence” to the media, to kind of wash their hands of it (the free press is SO objective, it would never air/publish myths, half-truths and outright fabrications). Think of Dick Cheney as Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glenross. THIS is where the media comes in (Fox News and others). the media is not an information source, it’s a shameless cheerleader (I’ll do, say anything to be the most popular). they all aired the whole sales pitch. and they certainly planned to air as much shock and awe as was humanly possible. as I noted earlier, the invasion of Iraq was like some neo-con Super Bowl. who was right and who was wrong; or who supported (and why?), and who opposed it (and why?) was advertising and not “information”. does anyone think there was any possible scenario, which would have led Bush to NOT invade? on 9/12 he and Cheney were practically reverse-engineering 9/11, in order to lay it at Saddam’s feet. and back to message, the major news outlets don’t care because this stuff is good copy.

DebbieDoRight

September 30th, 2010
2:46 pm

Media:Actually I had to listen to the black radio station on the Marta trolley on my way to and from work. I tried to do the right thing by leaving my car at home but I just couldn’t bear the racism and hate emanating from that 103 station. It was horrible.

Racism and hate? PLEASE!! But those radio “talk shows” (think Limbaugh, et al.), that belittle everything from Global Warming to Obama are all about love and tolerance right?

When it was found out that it was American bee stings that the kid died from these 2 hosts ranted and raved for 5 minutes about how the media is racist and try to blame everything on anything African.

I think I remember that show. I laughed — because IT WAS A JOKE!! Good god man!! Are you so far gone that you can’t even recognize satire and comedy when you hear it?

Bottom line is that I never heard anything positive about Bush

I’ve never heard Limbaugh say anything positive about Obama, the Dems, or anyone black for that matter. And?

jewcowboy

September 30th, 2010
2:46 pm

Media bias?

“Then you take a trolley over to the king and queen towers. The driver of the trolley always had it on that station. ”

Gotcha…I know this obliquely related to your point, but that shuttle is not a MARTA shuttle, but a privately funded shuttle service provided by the property management of the Concourse, Cousins Properties. I wouldn’t want anyone to think that MARTA was responsible for you being force to listen to a particular radio station.

jm

September 30th, 2010
2:46 pm

Would love to see socialism repudiated and rolled back in Venezuela…. hopefully the same happens here.

http://www.tnr.com/article/world/78000/chavez-venezuela-opposition

jm

September 30th, 2010
2:47 pm

Doggone – I’m glad you’re a constitutional scholar as well. You and Newt could be good friends if you just weren’t on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Nice Guy

September 30th, 2010
2:50 pm

Debbie – “I’ve never heard Limbaugh say anything positive about Obama, the Dems, or anyone black for that matter. And?”

Um, just b/c you have never heard it, means it didn’t happen, right? Ok, got it.

BTW, you are completely and utterly incorrect if you think Limbaugh has never said one positive thing about “Obama, the Dems, or anyone black for that matter”

jewcowboy

September 30th, 2010
2:50 pm

jm,

“hopefully the same happens here”

Please cite specific examples of socialism in the United States.

DebbieDoRight

September 30th, 2010
2:51 pm

BTW, you are completely and utterly incorrect if you think Limbaugh has never said one positive thing about “Obama, the Dems, or anyone black for that matter”

Prove it.

jewcowboy

September 30th, 2010
2:52 pm

jm,

“Please cite specific examples of socialism in the United States.”

Oh and please cite whether you are referring to socialism in the economic or political realm.

stands for decibels

September 30th, 2010
2:55 pm

Prove it.

DDR @ 2.51, the Excrement in Broadcasting allowed Clarence “Frogman” Henry, who sang “I ain’t got no home” (that was his theme music for a segment he used to run where he’d mock homeless people) to accompany him on a cruise, once.

So, you take that back!

md

September 30th, 2010
2:56 pm

“No wonder the cons think all of the other networks are liberal.”

All a matter of perspective – to those on the left, everything left seems normal and Fox is in right field. To those on the right, Fox is normal and everything else is in left field. For those in the middle, everything is either left or right with nothing in center field.

JKL2

September 30th, 2010
2:56 pm

Paul- Source?

Visual

Bean

September 30th, 2010
2:57 pm

SERIOUSLY???? people…name a news station that doesn’t have some sort of a view point…

find something else to discuss…something of importance for a change.

JKL2

September 30th, 2010
2:59 pm

babs- clinton lied, Soldiers died.

md

September 30th, 2010
3:00 pm

“does anyone think there was any possible scenario, which would have led Bush to NOT invade?”

Actually yes – 111 democrats in the House and Senate voted in favor – had they all voted against, it would have altered the situation.

jewcowboy

September 30th, 2010
3:02 pm

JKL2,

“clinton lied,”

Just because you say it does not make it true you know…again I would encourage you to read the UNSCOM timeline to give you the background that led to Operation Desert Fox and the statement from Clinton that was posted.

Atlantan

September 30th, 2010
3:03 pm

Debbie you are an ignoramus “I’ve never heard Limbaugh say anything positive about Obama, the Dems, or anyone black for that matter. And?”

The man who married Limbaugh and his wife is black, one of his best friends – Hutch is black, his call screener is black. Yeah that Limbaugh won’t do anything for black people.

jm

September 30th, 2010
3:03 pm

jewcowboy 2:50 – I’d put Social Security and Medicare (and Medicaid) under the category of socialism.

jc – I’m not against some socialism. But I like to call a spade a spade. I’m ok with a social safety net. But I wouldn’t call it capitalist. Would you?

Paul

September 30th, 2010
3:04 pm

JKL2 2:56

JKL2: “They uncovered plenty of NBC’s. It just wasn’t in big stockpiles like we thought it would be. Most had been used, destroyed, burried, or shipped to Syria.”

Paul: “Source?”

JKL2: “Visual.”

Do I understand correctly that you claim you saw WMDs in Iraq after the invasion?

jewcowboy

September 30th, 2010
3:04 pm

Atlantan,

“The man who married Limbaugh and his wife is black, one of his best friends – Hutch is black, his call screener is black.”

Why do you know this level of detail of Limbaugh’s life?

JKL2

September 30th, 2010
3:05 pm

John- This is the same publication that got killed his Generals career.

Doesn’t this remind you of the way muslims like to build mosques on the grounds of their vanquished enemies? (Not even getting into the meaning of building the ground zero mosque)

jimbob

September 30th, 2010
3:05 pm

Lewis Grizzard used to say about accuracy in the media, “Hey, it only costs a quarter; if you want accuracy, it’s $3.95.” But what FOX does is go for our ugly side, the side we’d rather not acknowledge except to say “Fox says.” It allows us to be prejudicial. But the comtempt that one has for the “liberal bias” of the media is richly defended when it comes to FOX. Why? Because it presents the news that narrow thinking people want to be the truth. And sometimes it is the truth, and a fire can actually be put out with enough gasoline, but rarely does it happen.

Media bias?

September 30th, 2010
3:05 pm

Debbiedoright,

Limbaugh’s sidekick on the show Mr. Snerdley, is a black man. Limbaugh regularly has black conservative columnist Walter Williams do his show for him while he’s gone. Limbaugh loves to quote and read excerpts from Thomas Sowell, a noted black conservative and economist from Stanford. To say “he has never said anything positive about anyone black for that matter” is ludicrous. You simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Limbaugh’s issue is not with blacks- its with liberalism.

jm

September 30th, 2010
3:05 pm

jc – obviously, I’m keeping things brief and simple here because I’m multi-tasking (a bad habit)

I am not under some wacko illusion that obama is a socialist. Social Security and Medicare are “socialist” programs. That’s fine. I just happen to think they should be smaller than they are.

Nice Guy

September 30th, 2010
3:07 pm

Debbie – “Prove it.”

Google is working just fine right now, take a look on your own b/c I don’t have that kind of time. I listen to Rush often and know your statement to be factually incorrect. If he spewed hate, and in your case, racism all day everyday, I would not listen to him.

Jefferson

September 30th, 2010
3:08 pm

Has Willams ever gone by the nickname “Tom”?

Nice Guy

September 30th, 2010
3:08 pm

Stands for De – “Excrement in Broadcasting ”

Nice. Mature. Thanks for showing your true colors.

Media bias?

September 30th, 2010
3:09 pm

jewcowboy,

That would make sense that the private trolley at the marta station I used to ride was contracted for privately and not by Marta. I guess even Marta wouldn’t allow ridership to listen to that kind of a station based not on politics but based probably on the lewdness and degradation of women that a lot of rap music represents.

stands for decibels

September 30th, 2010
3:09 pm

Nice. Mature.

fitting.

@@

September 30th, 2010
3:10 pm

A long tradition? Was TeeWee up and running during FDR’s and Roosevelt’s presidency? I know the internet wasn’t.

This is sad…truly sad, jay. You left-leaning media types do Obama no favors by excusing such petty behavior. It’s as though you’re trying to run interference for your child. At least FOX treats him like a grown man.

Obama’s getting caught up in his own web, and he’s taking the left-wing media types into the cocoon where spiders leave their captives to die a slow and agonizing death.

On the same day he criticized FOX, his spokesperson (Burton?) sang the praises of Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann…returning “the favor” I ’spose.

On the same day, the White House practically endorsed MSNBC, with Deputy Press Secretary Bill Burton saying: “If you’re on the left, if you’re somebody like Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow or one of the folks who helps to keep our government honest and pushes and prods to make sure that folks are true to progressive values, then he thinks that those folks provide an invaluable service.” — WaPo

I read another article that said the Obama administration has invited Rachel Maddow to the WH on several occasions. Asked her to speak to assorted progressives groups.

Last I checked, the people’s trust in media was pretty low.

2009 — Pew Research reports that American look at the media and biased and lacking independence. According to its latest survey, “Just 29% of Americans say that news organizations generally get the facts straight, while 63% say that news stories are often inaccurate.”

RW-(the original)

September 30th, 2010
3:11 pm

DebbieDoRight

September 30th, 2010
3:12 pm

sfd – too funny!!

Atlantan: The man who married Limbaugh and his wife is black, one of his best friends – Hutch is black, his call screener is black. Yeah that Limbaugh won’t do anything for black people

Let’s take this step by step shall we?

1. You obviously have a reading comprehension problem…..I never said that Limbaugh “won’t do anything for black people”. Please re read the post and start again. (Or if it’ll be easier for you I’ll repost it for the literary deficient such as yourself. Here we go: See Rush. See Rush Talk. See Rush talk badly about Black people. Talk Rush Talk. Rush Can Talk. Rush can talk badly about black people. Rush is a dirtbag. Dirtbag Rush Dirtbag…)

2. Yes I know Rush “has a lot of friends who are black” //sarc/// but, and this is where, unfortunately for you, reading comprehension comes to play again, he has consistently demeaned, disgraced, talked badly about, and sometimes OUTRIGHT LIED on blacks, the dems and the president. (not necessarily in that order).

3. Be careful whom you call an idiot. Idiot!! (smile)…

jewcowboy

September 30th, 2010
3:13 pm

jm,

“obviously, I’m keeping things brief and simple here because I’m multi-tasking (a bad habit)”

I have the same bad habit ;)

“Social Security and Medicare are “socialist” programs. ”

Valid point… and thank you for making the distinction.

Jefferson

September 30th, 2010
3:13 pm

Based on what I read, I’d say President Obama just burns up some of you folks.

Scout

September 30th, 2010
3:15 pm

Well, I’ll be ………………….

Looks like Kim Jong Il’s youngest son and heir apparent Kim Jong Un was recently promoted from “comrade” to Four Star General.

Kind of reminds me of “private” to Commander in Chief.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100930/D9II2RNG0.html

BADA BING

September 30th, 2010
3:17 pm

Isn’t obama worried that hip hop music will teach his daughters the N word and that they are H-s.

JKL2

September 30th, 2010
3:17 pm

debbie- I’ve never heard Limbaugh say anything positive about Obama, the Dems, or anyone black for that matter.

It would help if you ever actually listened to the show, and not just read your opinion of the show from the huffington post.

jewcowboy

September 30th, 2010
3:18 pm

Media bias?,

“based not on politics but based probably on the lewdness and degradation of women that a lot of rap music represents.”

The shuttle in Buckhead plays 91.9, the Clark Atlanta jazz station…the only issue with that is the driver’s might fall asleep.

HDB

September 30th, 2010
3:18 pm

Media bias?

September 30th, 2010
3:05 pm
Debbiedoright,

Limbaugh’s sidekick on the show Mr. Snerdley, is a black man. Limbaugh regularly has black conservative columnist Walter Williams do his show for him while he’s gone. Limbaugh loves to quote and read excerpts from Thomas Sowell, a noted black conservative and economist from Stanford. To say “he has never said anything positive about anyone black for that matter” is ludicrous. You simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Limbaugh’s issue is not with blacks-

If you kowtow to what Limbaugh says and you’re black, he has no issue with you; if you can counter his opinion with FACTS..and it’s contrary to his viewpoint, Limbaugh will denigrate you like no other! (from personal example!)

Bet you Limbaugh didn’t read THIS from Thomas Sowell:

Main article: Black Rednecks and White Liberals
According to Sowell, in his 2005 Black Rednecks and White Liberals, what many see as pathologies of contemporary black culture actually derive from a dysfunctional historical white-southern “cracker” culture.

“What the [white] rednecks or crackers brought with them across the ocean was a whole constellation of attitudes, values, and behavior patterns that might have made sense in the world in which they had lived for centuries, but which would prove to be counterproductive in the world to which they were going — and counterproductive to the blacks who would live in their midst for centuries before emerging into freedom and migrating to the great urban centers of the United States, taking with them similar values.

The cultural values and social patterns prevalent among Southern whites included an aversion to work, proneness to violence, neglect of education, sexual promiscuity, improvidence, drunkenness, lack of entrepreneurship, reckless searches for excitement, a lively music and dance, and a style of religious oratory marked by strident rhetoric, unbridled emotions, and flamboyant imagery. This oratorical style carried over into the political oratory of the region in both the Jim Crow era and the civil rights era, and has continued on into our own times among black politicians, preachers, and activists. Touchy pride, vanity, and boastful self-dramatization were also part of this redneck culture among people from regions of Britain where the civilization was the least developed.”

Several scholars support Sowell’s observations. Grady McWhiney’s Cracker Culture (1988) is a thorough historical study of the values and behavioral patterns of white Southerners, and is backed by many other scholarly studies which have turned up very similar patterns even when they differed in some ways as to the causes. Scholar Hackett Fischer’s Albions Seed,(1989) for example, eschews the Celtic theory advanced by McWhiney, but shows many of the same cultural patterns for the whites, both in Britain and the American South.

What is different about the current era, Sowell claims, is that better educated, more productive whites are no longer as willing to challenge or condemn the counterproductive behaviors deriving from the holdovers of white cracker culture among blacks. This stands in sharp contrast to the white northern educators that went to educate ex-slaves in the post-Civil War South, who insisted on strong discipline and work, and helped lay the foundations for black education.”

Paul

September 30th, 2010
3:18 pm

RW-(the original) 3:11

Wow, looking at the happy couple, who says money can’t buy…. ummm… hmmm…. oh yeah….

that, too!

HDB

September 30th, 2010
3:20 pm

JKL2

September 30th, 2010
3:17 pm

“It would help if you ever actually listened to the show, and not just read your opinion of the show from the huffington post.”

Does it count if you called into the Limbaugh show to counter his monotribe with factual information, then you get denigrated and cut off?? (Personal EXPERIENCE!!!)

Doggone/GA

September 30th, 2010
3:20 pm

Now HERE’S change we can believe in!

“Naked Cowboy Announces Presidential Bid for 2012″

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-497068?hpt=Sbin

Personally, I’d like Jesse Ventura to run.

Historian

September 30th, 2010
3:21 pm

DebbieDoRight is a brain washed idiot.

DebbieDoRight

September 30th, 2010
3:21 pm

Debbie – “Prove it.” Google is working just fine right now, take a look on your own b/c I don’t have that kind of time.

Figures. Everytime I ask you guys to prove a statement, you give that old “google” bit. Can’t think of anything new and you already know you can’t find it huh?

Debbiedoright,

Limbaugh’s sidekick on the show Mr. Snerdley, is a black man. Limbaugh regularly has black conservative columnist Walter Williams do his show for him while he’s gone. Limbaugh loves to quote and read excerpts from Thomas Sowell, a noted black conservative and economist from Stanford. To say “he has never said anything positive about anyone black for that matter” is ludicrous. You simply don’t know what you’re talking about. Limbaugh’s issue is not with blacks- its with liberalism.

You know everytime i head a comment like that you know what I parallel it to? I parallel it to the Jews in the concentration camps who sold out their own brethern for a bit more crumbs of bread each day. I also paralle it to Emmitt Till – and I start to wonder about how the wife’s of his murderers did not wish to let their husband know what Till did, Till himself sure as heck didn’t tell them, the only other witnesses to his act were some of the local black kids he was hanging around with; so who actually TOLD on Till? Probably one of the kids told their folks, who went right to the house of his murderers and told them. Long story short, there’s a sell out around every corner.

Paul

September 30th, 2010
3:23 pm

Historian

“DebbieDoRight is a brain washed idiot.”

Game Over.

DebbieDoRight Wins!!!!!!!!

JKL2

September 30th, 2010
3:23 pm

jewcowboy-

Clinton’s decimation of our intelligence agencies, the military, and his innaction towards aggression against the US killed many more people than any of President Bush’s actions.

DebbieDoRight

September 30th, 2010
3:23 pm

Quote from Limbaugh “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back”. Said to a black caller who disagreed with him.

Oh yeah, he surely does like them thar black folks………

Jefferson

September 30th, 2010
3:24 pm

A fool’s fool is a good description of some of the talking heads followers.

Abrazos

September 30th, 2010
3:25 pm

“Actually I had to listen to the black radio station on the Marta trolley on my way to and from work. I tried to do the right thing by leaving my car at home but I just couldn’t bear the racism and hate emanating from that 103 station. It was horrible.”

Really? On the Marta “trolley”, did you now? Was it over the LOUDSPEAKERS which are only used for MARTA announcements of the next stop? How did you happen to “hear” it since you have to use ear buds on a Marta TRAIN or BUS, (that’s what we call them in Atlanta, not the “Trolley”).

Sheesh, put a little effort the next time you fabricate something out of whole cloth, wouldja?

Atlantan

September 30th, 2010
3:25 pm

Debbie and the term dogmatic seem to go hand in hand. The AJC needs an ignore poster button…

Obama hates white people, republicans and anyone doesn’t support him. How do I know – because I said so. He even throws his mother under the bus.

jewcowboy

September 30th, 2010
3:25 pm

barking frog

September 30th, 2010
3:26 pm

Fox is the National Enquirer animated.

williebkind

September 30th, 2010
3:27 pm

DebbieDoRight

September 30th, 2010
2:46 pm
It is called selective hearing.

Media bias?

September 30th, 2010
3:27 pm

HDB,

Yes. Sowell spent the entire book talking about the similarities in culture between the urban black ghetto culture and white cracker culture. He also wrote extensively about the similarities between the failings of black culture today and the same failings of the white underclass in britain today- a disdain for education, high teen pregnancy, a disdain for hard work and discipline.

That is the whole point of people like Limbaugh and Sowell- that the problems plaguing many black Americans are cultural and have nothing to do inherently with race itself. If poor black Americans want to raise their standard of living they must eschew things like the gangsta rap culture, the lack of cultural emphasis on education. and the other social ills that Sowell speaks of, etc All liberalism does is excuse these social ills and perpetuate them.

jewcowboy

September 30th, 2010
3:27 pm

JKL2,

“Clinton’s decimation of our intelligence agencies, the military, and his innaction towards aggression against the US killed many more people than any of President Bush’s actions.”

But that is not exactly what you were saying before, it is? You implied he lied in advance of Operation Desert Fox. Examination of the events by UNSCOM leading up to the Clinton’s statement does not support that implication.

Doggone/GA

September 30th, 2010
3:27 pm

“Did he win enough in his lawsuit against the Naked Cow Girl to finance his campaign?”

I hope so…or at least got enough publicity to make him recognizable so people will contribute.

midtownguy

September 30th, 2010
3:29 pm

Mr. President should have know better than to mention Lil Wayne, who’s latest CD “I am not Human” is being released from prison where he is serving on a weapons possession charge. Did anyone clue him in?

HDB

September 30th, 2010
3:29 pm

Go, Debbie!! Go, Debbie!!

Atlantan September 30th, 2010
3:25 pm

“Obama hates white people, republicans and anyone doesn’t support him. How do I know – because I said so. He even throws his mother under the bus.”

If that were the case, why are so many white people AROUND him?? (..and I’m NOT talking about the Secret Service either!)

Disgusted

September 30th, 2010
3:29 pm

How many of the so called bias news station have reported that the democrats have refused to vote for tax cuts until after the Nov, elections, because they know they stand no chance of being re-elected because they are out of touch with their voters.

Great! Nothing needs to be done for the tax cuts to expire. After the election, no one will have any reason to assume a pose any more. If Republicans win, Democrats will have no reason to vote for extending the tax cuts. If the Democrats hang on, they will have no reason to accede to the Republicans’ demands to continue the tax cuts for the richest 5% of Americans. Maybe we can start putting a dent in that horrendous deficit.

williebkind

September 30th, 2010
3:29 pm

HDB:
Is it Fair?
SIRIUS/XM radio host Andrew Wilkow has a very apt analogy to explain this view. Imagine two people walking down a street. A white guy with a shirt that says, “White Power” and a black man that has shirt that says “Black Power”. For the last half century, we’ve been told (trained, in some cases) to look at the white man’s shirt and deride him for his ethnic hatred. Yet, when we turn to the black man, we are told (trained) to congratulate him on his progressive ethnic pride in his culture (”black culture”, another broad, monolithic idea). How is THAT not racism? Hate whites for being proud of their race while encouraging blacks to be proud of theirs? That isn’t equality, that’s overcompensation. That’s anti-intellectualism. That’s anti-American. Period.

jewcowboy

September 30th, 2010
3:30 pm

HDB,

“If that were the case, why are so many white people AROUND him??”

Never mind half of himself.

jms

September 30th, 2010
3:30 pm

It amuses me how much alike the extemists on both sides are. I was watching some British-accented guy on FOX talking over the lady he was “interviewing”. Obnoxious. Let her speak. Then I saw some silver-haired MSNBC guy doing the same thing in a rant about all things conservative. People are concerned about the death of the middle class. I’m more concerned about the death of the moderate. Come to think of it, I’m not amused by these extremists. I’m saddened.

AmVet

September 30th, 2010
3:30 pm

“What specifically did Bush lie about?”

Media Bias, for your edification, I really don’t have a problem listing the many lies he told.

But before I do, let me ask you a question. Are you seriously contending that he told none?

Do you really think he was some sort of fabled George Washington?

My gawd, he’s a politician. And a Republican. Notwithstanding that he was an inveterate liar, it goes with the territory…

Nice Guy

September 30th, 2010
3:31 pm

Debbie – “Figures. Everytime I ask you guys to prove a statement, you give that old “google” bit. Can’t think of anything new and you already know you can’t find it huh?”

(Buzzer sounding): Wrong again. Its not my job to do your research. If you choose to continue to believe falsehoods, that’s your gig.

Besides, if Rush was a true racists, as so many like claim, then he wouldn’t be the most successful talk radio host, and he surely wouldn’t still be on the air. I don’t care who you are, network bosses, the media, responsible audiences, etc., don’t put up with racism (unless it’s towards the white folks, I should say).

williebkind

September 30th, 2010
3:32 pm

I did not hear Obama complain about CNN and the others helping him get elected. They were 24/7 for Obama and 24/7 against Palin. The sad part she is brighter than Biden. Of course Palin was not running for president but you could not tell that from the “lame stream media”!

@@

September 30th, 2010
3:32 pm

“I think it’s clear that the article (Rolling Stone) in which he and his team appeared showed a poor – showed poor judgment…”

That’s ^^^ Obama talking about General McChrystal.

Mr. President, you used the same poor judgment.

You are being summoned by the American people, to return to the Oval Office, wherein, you should be addressing this nation’s economic crisis as opposed to the endless campaign rallies you seem to favor.

I wish the American people could fire YOU!!!!

Curious Observer

September 30th, 2010
3:33 pm

If that were the case, why are so many white people AROUND him?? (..and I’m NOT talking about the Secret Service either!)

If there continue to be people like Scout in the Secret Service, Obama would be wise to surround himself with as many non-Secret Service people as possible. I can’t believe they gave a maniac like that a gun and access to the President.

jewcowboy

September 30th, 2010
3:34 pm

AmVet,

“Notwithstanding that he was an inveterate liar”

Plus a nose picker—ewwww…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keFIWob8NM4

Media bias?

September 30th, 2010
3:35 pm

Abrazos,

If you will read the other posts such as jewcowboy’s post at 2:46 you will see that we are both talking about the shuttle that runs between the perimeter mall station and the concourse office towers. Jewcowboy pointed out that the shuttle is actually privately run even though its at the marta station. My terminology should have been to call it a shuttle as opposed to a trolley but big freaking deal.

Perhaps you should read a little more before accusing someone of outright fabricating stuff.

stands for decibels

September 30th, 2010
3:35 pm

I can’t believe they gave a maniac like that a gun and access to the President.

I’m almost glad that my tax dollars are keeping his ingrate ass in retirement, rather than tasked with providing protection to a man he clearly, and obsessively, loathes.

almost.

Doggone/GA

September 30th, 2010
3:35 pm

“After the election, no one will have any reason to assume a pose any more. If Republicans win, Democrats will have no reason to vote for extending the tax cuts. If the Democrats hang on, they will have no reason to accede to the Republicans’ demands to continue the tax cuts for the richest 5% of Americans. Maybe we can start putting a dent in that horrendous deficit.”

That’s pretty much my take on it too.

Paul

September 30th, 2010
3:36 pm

JKL2

Glad you’re still here. Any clarification on my 2:56?

[[JKL2: “They uncovered plenty of NBC’s. It just wasn’t in big stockpiles like we thought it would be. Most had been used, destroyed, burried, or shipped to Syria.”

Paul: “Source?”

JKL2: “Visual.”

Do I understand correctly that you claim you saw WMDs in Iraq after the invasion?]]

See, this is one reason I read this blog, to find out new stuff and see if anything comes up that will cause me to rethink a position. If I’m reading your response correctly, it’s a pretty major declaration.

Clarification, please?

Kevin h

September 30th, 2010
3:36 pm

Just strikes me, Jay, that while you and your progressive colleagues in the press excoriated President Bush, I don’t recall him going on Fox and whining about the treatment. Can’t you and Tucker convince Obama to show more class??

Real American

September 30th, 2010
3:36 pm

John,admiting you made a mistake is good thing, you know why Obama is loved around the world except here? because people over there dont look at color.

Obama went around the world, because that cowboy we had in the office made America look bad. Fox news especially Hannity are Anit Obama from day one they said nothing for 8 years when Bush destroyed this country because they are funded by coke and big health care companies who want to keep making money off the little people.

DebbieDoRight

September 30th, 2010
3:36 pm

Paul: Do I understand correctly that you claim you saw WMDs in Iraq after the invasion?

He had a dream about them.

JKL2 – I’ve listened to Rush on occassion. While driving cross country and trying to stay awake; I usually tune into talk radio and listen to the likes of Limbaugh, Dr. Laura et al. It stops me from falling asleep behind the wheel. You can’t fall asleep if you’re too busy trying not to throw up……

jewcowboy

September 30th, 2010
3:36 pm

@@,

“You are being summoned by the American people, to return to the Oval Office, wherein, you should be addressing this nation’s economic crisis as opposed to the endless campaign rallies you seem to favor.”

Yeah…too bad he doesn’t have a ranch with brush that needs clearing….that would take precedent over an American city drowning…

AmVet

September 30th, 2010
3:38 pm

TOP RACIST RUSH LIMBAUGH QUOTES

“Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”

Doggone/GA

September 30th, 2010
3:38 pm

“How is THAT not racism? Hate whites for being proud of their race while encouraging blacks to be proud of theirs?”

here’s how: white ALREADY HAVE THE POWER – so “white power” is, and always has been, a call for racists. “Black power” is a call to blacks to stop cowering before those with the power and realize that they, TOO, can be powerful.

Whites don’t need to be told to be proud of their race and heritage, blacks DO – though maybe not so much anymore. The message has been spreading for a long time now, and more and more people realize it is possible.

Old Dawg

September 30th, 2010
3:38 pm

I’m shocked! Shocked! That FOX is losing viewers. It’s amazing how many of my conservation friends realize what a joke it is. It’s simply an example of the boy calling wolf too many times.

I don’t watch MSNBC or FOX very often. The slant of both of them turns me off.

Media bias?

September 30th, 2010
3:39 pm

Debbiedoright,

I wonder. Does Rush Limbaugh’s radio show sidekick Mr. Snerdley, his friend Hutch, the black pastor that married him, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, etc.- all these black people that personally know him- do they think he’s racist? Nope. But then I guess you’ll probably revert to the standard practice of calling them all a bunch of unle Toms. Hopefully not though.

ken R

September 30th, 2010
3:39 pm

Jay, I know that you would like Fox to be Obamas lap Monkey like all the liberal stations but guess what! it ain’t gonna happen.

Why do you always go back 200 years in time? is that where you are living? what calendar are you using? This is 2010 not 1805 our forefathers would be rolling over in their graves if they saw one of their slaves as President.

HDB

September 30th, 2010
3:40 pm

Media bias?
September 30th, 2010
3:27 pm

“That is the whole point of people like Limbaugh and Sowell- that the problems plaguing many black Americans are cultural and have nothing to do inherently with race itself. If poor black Americans want to raise their standard of living they must eschew things like the gangsta rap culture, the lack of cultural emphasis on education. and the other social ills that Sowell speaks of, etc All liberalism does is excuse these social ills and perpetuate them”

What many fail to realize is that is was a LIBERAL approach – i.e., Civil Rights legislation – that gave many black people ACCESS to the pathways to progress: education, employment…and methods to fight discrimination!! Conservatives fail to recognizee the fact that discrimination STILL exists….and Limbaugh, Sowell, Williams, Elder, et. al., espouse the ideology that discrimination doesn’t exist…and liberals perpetuate discrimination when it is CONSERVATIVE institutions that began…and perpetuate discrimination! I do agree that education is the pathway to success (it IS the NORM in my neighborhood, not the exception!)….but conservatism has a hand in perpetuating the myth!!

Examples of the conservative institutions that perpetuate the myth:

1) Education: many say black children can not learn! I say, given the proper motivation and equipment, ANY child – black children included – can learn!

2) Finance – Notice how banks will not lend to black people with comparable credit scores to white people

3) Law Enforcement: “Driving while black”…that’s the beginning; SB 1070 in Arizona: racfial profiling at its best!Q

4) Employment: Last hired….first fired!!

Limbaugh denigrates anyone that does not believe aqs he does…and if you are a person of color….there’s NO HOPE!!

stands for decibels

September 30th, 2010
3:40 pm

Yeah…too bad he doesn’t have a ranch with brush that needs clearing….that would take precedent over an American city drowning…

You lie! Bush didn’t go clear brush, he delivered a birthday cake to John McCain. Remember?

williebkind

September 30th, 2010
3:42 pm

HDB:
Do you know who gave blacks their civil rights along with others?

The white man!

Real American

September 30th, 2010
3:42 pm

Wiile blind: Thats how it is when your forefather stole and exploited a group for 200 years, denied them education ,stole there land, made them build this country for free.

Would let them vote for 200 years, rape their women, tell me when to stop.
So when we hear tea party people saying take back their country like their forefather, who forefather, not those raicst bigots.