For Bishop Long, important words not yet spoken

I agree with your article, Jay.

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From sad long ago personal experience I can say this is very true.

“Too often, when a younger, subordinate family member alleges abuse at the hands of an elder, the instinctive, self-protective reaction of other adults is to ignore it, to close eyes and ears and hearts to the claim and the claimant. It happens every day.”

I hope these young men get treated fairly and with respect.

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With the black community so allegedly against homosexuality, I have to believe this state of denial is a precursor to a painful revelation in the family.

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my first instinct (last week) was to dismiss this as not newsworthy, but in many ways it dovetails nice with everything we discuss on this and other blogs. is about politics (power and control), and politics is about the illusions and sleight of hand. if the allegations are true… nah, I am not a lawyer who has to tap-dance with words, this case is about am man who has literally made a career out of denegrating and verbally abusing homosexuals, who is himself a homosexual (of course he will not admit as much, he merely claims the allegations are untrue. ergo, he is a retired tea partier clamoring about entitlements. he is a “small government” Republican approving record spending, corporate welfare (bailouts) and the continued erosion of the Constitution (Patriot Act). he is a “pro choice” liberal who is really pro abortion. in politics words trump action. the very fact that the black community has produced the term “on the down low” in lieu of homosexuality makes this another example of poli-speak in action, as opposed to what it is, at worst criminal behavior and at best disingenuous, inappropriate, unethical behavior by one who would claim to be a leader. separation of church and state? not possible.

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“he is a “pro choice” liberal who is really pro abortion.”

I’d like to see your evidence for liberals who are pro abortion. And how does this story about Bishop Long even BEGIN to approach anything to do with separation of church and state?

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Does New Birth Church preach against gays. Just curious.

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“Does New Birth Church preach against gays”

But…but… I thought it was only those mean ole Mormons that preached against the gays.

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Doggone/GA, I’m sorry for the misunderstanding. my point is; people in power will use words and euphimisms to “spin” or polish their message. for example; neo-cons who claim to be “small government” presiding over the largest expansion of government spending and influence (pre-emptive war, Patriot Act, bailouts of banks, airlines and automakers). the proverbial “wolves in sheeps clothing”. again, I apologize for speaking in abstract concepts, which require independent (what some would call “outside the box”) thinking. ergo, be it religious faith/promises of salvation or patriotism/promises of freedom; these concepts and ideas (see yesterday) are used to control the behaviors of many, for the benefit of a few. it’s all presented as “the American way” or one’s “Christian faith”, so to that end, as I have always maintained, both the church and the state employ essentially the same business plan; limit and control the information you present, and discourage the acquistion of knowledge or alternative information. in doing so; you can convince young men to enlist in the Army to be sent to some oil-rich part of the world to die for Haliburton, OR you can convince three or four teenagers that sex with another man is OK, if the other man is man of god.

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Doggone/GA, excuse me, I forgot to incluse the Socialists (Castro in Cuba) and the Communist Chinese, as well as al Qeada, who also use language and grandiose imagery to control the behaviors of others (for their own self-interests).

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Eddie Long is not Gay…Gays don’t prey on children or groom them for sex…That is what Pedophiles do.

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If in fact these accusations are true, it is yet another reminder that our awesome creator has and does live in ALL his children and that gays can indeed preach with fiery tongues!!! God bless,

Stephanie

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“Gays don’t prey on children or groom them for sex…That is what Pedophiles do.”

They aren’t mutually exclusive either. Gey pedophiles prey on children of their own sex. Hetero pedophiles prey on children of the opposite sex.

And, strictly speaking, if these allegations turn out to be true…he didn’t prey on children in the sense you mean. The young men who accused him were all 16 or older at the time. 16 is the legal age of consent in Ga.

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“Eddie Long is not Gay…Gays don’t prey on children or groom them for sex…That is what Pedophiles do.”

point taken,therefore he’s a gay pedophile.

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I’m quite certain that Eddie Long’s lawyers didn’t advise him NOT to deny the charges?
What legal harm would have been done if Eddie Long said to his congregation – “I did not nor have I ever committed such an act!”
To simply say “I’m not a perfect man” to me is an admission of guilt on some level.

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Doggone/GA, maybe I was using what I feel was forceful, discomforting language to make a point – paleo-neo-Carlinists, by defintion, do not “go over the top” (see: Carlin’s 7 dirty words). politicians and preachers (church and state) don’t like to use words that makes others – especially those they would hope to “lead” – uncomfortable. Long knows his true self, but do you think he could “lead” a congregation of Christians by admiting, “I am attracted to teenage boys.”? and as I said, the black community kinda plays the game by dismissing this disingenous behavior as “being on the down low”. I once met a white, heterosexual, married man who claimed that receiving oral sex from a transvestite was neither “infidelity” or “homosexual”. remember when Bill Clinton looked America in the eye and said; “I did not have sexual relations with that girl…” then, when the infamous blue dress was produced, he claimed he meant “intercourse”.

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“remember when Bill Clinton looked America in the eye and said; “I did not have sexual relations with that girl…” then, when the infamous blue dress was produced, he claimed he meant “intercourse”.”

I would suggest that if you are going to use examples you get the ENTIRE story about them first to be SURE they illustrate what you think they do. In the case of Bill Clinton he was responding to a list of questions and definitions he agreed to answer and those included a definition of “sex” as intercourse. And BY THAT DEFINITION his statement was true.

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Just when I thought that my black brothers and sisters would place logic above emotions my illusion was shattered Sunday morning by the pittiful display of the blind loyalty by the congregation and their response to Mr. Long’s arrogant and vile display in the pulpit. “I’m David against Goliath and I have five rocks and haven’t thrown one yet!” I wanted to throw up. There was nothing humble in that serpent’s I mean servant’s demeanor nor response.

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With all his money and power and hatred of gay people, I just assumed he was a republican. Maybe, like other things in his life, he’s closet republican. If he’s guilty, I hope they take him down.

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Note to the “The Leg”, you are a Moron! That’s when you’re having one of your lucid days.

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and people hear what they want to hear. rah rah!

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Eric
September 28th, 2010
8:46 am

So full of anger and hatred……….

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Jay,
resign for the infidelity or for the lying?

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Doggone/GA are you baiting me? were I Kamchack, I would ask; “what part of oral sex did Bill Clinton not understand”? like Eddie Long, Bill Clinton split a semantic hair to save his own (political) butt. and like Long, do you think the whole Monica Lewinsky affair would have blown over (pun intended) had Clinton said; “I received oral sex, but I didn’t have intercourse with that woman.”? and don’t get me wrong, I have long believed the Clinton’s have an agreement, and I don’t think his extra-martial activity influenced his performance as POTUS. again, contrary to Hillary’s very public claim that her husband was “the victim of a vast right wing conspiracy” – in truth, he was the victim of his own behavior/choices.

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“If he’s lying, he’s screwed”

And I refused to watch it because I thought at the time that even if true he was being thrown to the wolves for something that NO ONE could say affected his abilities as President.

“I still think he should have resigned.”

And I think he should have stood up and admitted what he did up front and then layed down the gauntlet on it. That he was impeached for what was ONLY a personal moral failure is a blot on our nation that cannot be wiped away.

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Doggone/GA
September 28th, 2010
8:54 am

History lesson – Clinton was impeached for perjury, not sex outside the marriage.

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As we are discussing religion and faith…..

This Pew study is very interesting.

Basic Religion Test Stumps Many Americans….Americans are by all measures a deeply religious people, but they are also deeply ignorant about religion…..Those who scored the highest were atheists and agnostics, as well as two religious minorities: Jews and Mormons. The results were the same even after the researchers controlled for factors like age and racial differences.

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“Clinton was impeached for perjury, not sex outside the marriage.”

And found not guilty

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Another excellent article Jay!! This is a sad time for ALL that is involved.

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Jay, I am surprised, you have spoken out against a member , better yet a president of your own party. I also agree with your comment regarding Clinton.

I am looking out into the sky, for pigs may be flying!

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The only reason this is “news” is that Bishop Long is a man of the cloth. It would be getting a similar play were he a politician. He and his actions are as common as yard dirt. I have had ample experience with his kind. They are just as likely to be truck drivers, professional atheletes, businessmen, the guy next door, your brother Earl, the news editor…

Whatever the outcome of the case, Bishop Long has already been convicted in the court of public opinion, but not for his crimes, but his profession. And we won’t come anywhere near an forthright discussion of why and how this happened and goes on happening. .

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I just hope this josef nix wasn’t talking about my buddy Jim Earl.

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Doggone/GA
September 28th, 2010
9:06 am

You can avoid the ALL CAPS posts if you wish. We now you’re always angry.

Civics lesson – “not guilty” and “acquitted” are totally different rulings. Ask one of your fellow liberal brethren if you doubt it.

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Jay, It’s nothing I didn’t say publicly at the time, Deep

I’m not familiar with what you did or did not say back then, but today you have earned a cardboard cookie!

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My not-so-sincere apologies to the Earls of the world

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watch out for the name terry beckham in this case

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Jay
September 28th, 2010
9:14 am

Ha! Good one.

When I heard the SC’s 9-0 decision I thought, uh oh, we’ve opened Pandora’s box.

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I am shocked, SHOCKED I say, that Jay isn’t writing about the commission finding that the Obama administration’s response to the oil spill was ‘botched’.

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I am so tired of the liberal media and its knot-head followers reveling in the slimy things they put out and call it news. Society has dipped so low that they will not respond to anything unossip anless it involves gd the tragedy of someone’s life. this story, as many others, has destroyed lives and reputations before the first shred of real evidence is ever presented in a courtroom. The media makes it impossible to ever think you can recieve a fair trial in this country anymore. Whether or not this is true, Bishop Long has been crucified by the media and all the jerks who are willing to judge him blindly just as they say his congregation is to support him. This is just as irresponsible as destroying a teacher’s reputation and livlihood because a student is upset for getting a bad grade, which probably their fault, so they say the teacher abused them. Everybody jumps on the accusation before the first fact is known. Her we have four individuals with very questionable pasts, criminal histories, and former friends with charcter knowledge revealing they know this is all about the money. Yet, we are ready to crucify Bishop Long without the first shred of evidence being presented. All of you who are so quick to judge, when the time comes for you to face God, will be just like those who were left banging on the door of Noah’s ark; you will be swallowed up by the floods of the lake of fire. I would be interested in what kind od of skeletons are in your closets, as quick as you are to throw rocks at someone else. Look at your own lives before you try to cast shadows on someone else.

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kitty 8:54

My understanding is, the scars from those experiences take a long time to heal and it’s best to have the help of professionals. Many nonprofit groups offer assistance.

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Survey: Atheists, agnostics know most about religion

A new survey of Americans’ knowledge of religion found that atheists, agnostics, Jews and Mormons outperformed Protestants and Roman Catholics in answering questions about major religions, while many respondents could not correctly give the most basic tenets of their own faiths

No surprise there.

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Poor Bishop. The Boner feels for him. The Boner is going through some tough times also, and he sends his best wishes to the Bishop.

The Boner cannot for the life of him understand why people are dissing his Plague on America. They call it “just more of the same”, “a word for word from his previous plan”, a re-hashed plan from years ago”, and “look what a mess that got us in, we don’t need anymore of it”.

The Boner asks, What do you people want from me? You expect me to come up with an actual workable plan? I’m doing the best I can. I’m trying to stop three women from killing me, and keep my tan at the same time. Geez, people, quit your moaning and groaning!

The Boner is in a very bad mood today.

I wouldn’t cross him if I were you.

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leg lamp,
much improved, I did happen to see the photos of her in a “gentleman’s” magazine shortly after her enhancements. Not bad. Clinton would probably have liked to take a mulligan.

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I used to go to a baptist church on a regular basis, sung in the choir, got baptized, etc. etc. Then, about 25 years ago , i started hearing about preachers abusing children . One such case involved a very close friend of mine whos dad was a preacher abusing teenagers. When he was found guilty , she was so upset , she was in the hospital for week. That opened my eyes and i started hearing about abuse more and more. I stopped going to church. I can say that, although i miss it somewhat, i am happier.

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I am not surprised or disappointed with Eddie Long’s response, but the congregation’s response is sickening. Must you NB members always check your common sense at the door.

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“You can avoid the ALL CAPS posts if you wish”

GET OVER IT

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The only reason this is “news” is that Bishop Long is a man of the cloth. It would be getting a similar play were he a politician.

agreed, however I do not think it wise to distinguish so much between preachers and politicians. To my mind (and it’s not a knock against anyone) preachers are politicians. And so are CEOs and other leaders of publicly viewable institutions.

/nitpicker

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Notice how the neocons change the subject from Eddie Long to Bill Clinton. Pretty sad.

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Doggone 8:41 :”Bill Clinton he was responding to a list of questions and definitions he agreed to answer and those included a definition of “sex” as intercourse. And BY THAT DEFINITION his statement was true”.

When he said that to the American people, we did not have a list made up defining sexual relations, he may have technically not lied to prosecuters, but he lied to America. Remember, he did not start his statement to America with ” Under agreed to definitions of a sexual relationship, I did not have sex with that woman “.

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So how would you rate Jones after the implants, nose job, and makeover?

gents, please take this to http://www.old-sexist-dickheads.com.

kthnxbye.

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Notice how Jay avoids Obama….

Right, pennsy. Because every comments thread Must Be About The Illegal Alien Preznit.

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Bosch

He’s the light of my life…..

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sfd,
I resemble that comment.

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Didn’t Obama attend Eddie Long’s church for 20+ years and never speak up about what he heard and saw?

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Who’s on second.

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Obama was with Long when all these encounters took place. Obama arranged them. Obama likes to watch. Obama also likes to participate from time to time.

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Long’s flock is smarter than Jim Jones’. The won’t drink any kool-aid.

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Long should go to jail for a long time.

In more pressing Atlanta news, it looks like Atlanta’s pension fund is in deep do-do (as if that wasn’t already known). But the already dire predictions used the typical 8% rate of return most pension funds use. Appears, in one smart man’s mind, that an 8% is very unlikely to happen. Which means the Pension Fund is in the hole several BILLION dollars (assuming a lower rate of return). This will make the sewer problem look like chump change.

http://www2.pimco.com/enewsenterprise/t.aspx?S=1&ID=1831&NL=1&N=2&SI=27801&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.pimco.com%2fPages%2fStanDruckenmillerisLeaving.aspx

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Hello again everyone, I have more inquiries. If you are not in the Lord you will never be perfect, so for someone to say that they are not perfect means that they are not in the Lord. What does the statement “I am not perfect mean and to whom is it related, Christians or non-Christians or fallen Christians? If you are in Christ you are perfect because Christ is perfect although you are not above sin because he left a model prayer for you to pray and in that prayer forgiveness of sin is one of the lines in the prayer and not only forgiveness for yourself but your forgiveness toward your brother. A True Christian’s lifesstyle is the ligestyle of Christ, yet the christian tries hard to live the life that they sing, preach or pray about. True Christians do not have a lifestyle of gambling, lying, fornication, adulteration, or any other sin, yet thay are not above sin. A person who lays down with a lifestyle of sin, shacking, lying, gambling, backbiting, gossinping, and other things, we all know what our short comings are, and you wake up with that same sin on a daily basis is not perfect because you are not in Christ, that is what you call premeditated sin, which is an iniquity. I know it is wrong but if it feels good I am going to do it. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak saith the Lord. Thay are just perpertrating. Your life of perfection as a Christian is not the same things as for the unsaved, because a Christian’s life is of the spirit and an unsaved person’s life is of the flesh. The answer to the difference of the Old and New Covenant is that you are not under the Old Covenant of the Law, it was only given to the tribe of Israel, If you are a Christian you are under the New Covenant which is grace that was given to whosoever will, Jews (God’s Chosen) and Gentiles (Sinners), let him come through Christ Jesus. Do not be fooled by how much a person does for people, because you are not saved by your works, you are only rewarded by God for your works when you come before the Emerald Throne, not the White Throne, the Emerald Throne is for the Saved and the White Throne is for the unsaved. The first and Second resurrection. If you were under the Law you would not be in Church as we are today because you have to make an animal sacrifice and be forgiven of your sins once a year as opposed to praying for forgiveness immediately through Jesus Christ. One more question, did God give the command to not eat of the tree of good and Evil to Adam or Eve or to both and did he create them and put them both in the garden at the same time? This is a good time to come together an learn the truth about our salvation while we wait on the Lordd and his answer to this situation. We must not just seek the truth of this world against one man, but we must seek the truth of God for our own soul salvation for all men. Pray much because as long as you keep using the old schedule of the Law you will never be perfect until you come to the New Covenant of Grace. I was going to the wrong class because I was mistakenly using the old schedule, and God tried to warn me with many difficult things, and when I finally said let me take a look at this schedule and see if I am using the wrong schedule, guess what? I was and as soon as I starting using the new schedule my life smoothed out. All I am saying is some of us are still trying to be under the old Covenant of the Law and trying to be perfect, and are struggling to be perfect but Jesus’s yoke is easier you do not have to be perfect you have to be will and confess that he is the son of the living God and repent of your sins knowing that you are under Grace and not the Law and watch your life smooth out. Love not the things of the world, Love the Lord with all of your heart mind, soul and strength and love your neighbor as your self. You can hang all of the Laws on these two. God said that no one will have an excuse of not knowing him as they did in the Old covenant of the Law is why the Law was given, but he said that in the New Covenant he will write his words on the tablets of their heart an not on the tablets of stone so no one would die without knowing him. If you believe that then you must affirm it by accepting Jesus as your Savior which is the only way that you can get to the father is through Jesus Christ. Nobody can come to the father accept through by me saith the Lord. Have a blessed day and excuse my spelling errors, in a hurray.

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Don’t forget: I can understand a lot of your skepticism but there is experimental evidence that suggest that the original organization occurs fairly easily.

Df–If it puts your mind at rest, I am very well versed in those experiments along with the work of Robert Hazen, who is at the forefront of the Origins of Life research. The fact that “self-organization” occurs rather “easily” makes it no less of a miracle. There are no known properties of atoms which lead to this.

I do believe in a creator/God but I think the design was in the universe and really don’t see anything that defies those laws of the universe. I also have to ask why wouldn’t God design a universe that could result in life spontaneously?

As I’ve explained before, the idea of an external, separate Creator is too problematic for me philosophically and physically. God is in matter itself, i.e. an Internal Creator rather than an External Creator. I like the term “Immanuel” = God Within.

Gotta run, will check back later today before heading out.

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Ncoms – your post stinks.

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Howdy, AmVet–Keep missing you, but hope to trade some music later on before heading out.

If you are in Christ you are perfect because Christ is perfect

Ncom: Next time, stay away from the brown acid.

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King David in the bible was a man after God;s own heart. He slept with another mans wife and killed the man as well. He repented and God forgave him. BUT their still was a consequence for his behavior. Mercy triumphed over judgment in that case but the sword never left his house because of what he had done and His desire to build God a house was given to His son Solomon to do, TRUTH MUST PREVAIL. We need to pray that all parties are healed and delivered.

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Ncoms – read this. To quote one of my favorite movies, and one of the best actors of all time (Inherit the Wind / Spencer Tracy):

“In a child’s power to master the multiplication table, there is more sanctity than in all your shouted “amens” and “holy holies” and “hosannas.” An idea is a greater monument than a cathedral. And the advance of man’s knowledge is a greater miracle than all the sticks turned to snakes or the parting of the waters. “

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Hi Bruno! How’s it going?

“I can’t tell you what the “true” answer is, but I’m sure it’s neither on of those.”

The way I see it, “truth” is different for everyone — it’s all about the ever changing search for that truth — which can be different from one day to the next. Also, imho, you are never supposed to “know God” (the whole “I am” thing in the Bible). No one can tell another what is truth and what isn’t. To me, those that think they can are putting themselves in “God’s” shoes.

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Grace

If we’re going to bring up David and this thread….Johnathan comes to mind…

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jm

Just a question for inquiring minds…how do you know about those places?

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Off topic, but:

http://www.ajc.com/business/census-finds-record-gap-641863.html

Census finds record gap between rich and poor

Until this is fixed, the economy will not “recover” —

Thank you and carry on.

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the Old Covenant of the Law, it was only given to the tribe of Israel

that reminds me of a question I’ve been meaning to ask: the term “Red Sea Pedestrian”, was it in use prior to 1979’s Life of Brian or was that just something those Pythons made up for the script?

And in either case, is it a true slur or more of a term of endearment? (albeit one I would not use unless I’d been “cleared for takeoff,” so to speak.)

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josef nix – you can also Google: “Eddie Long Hideouts” and get the same results

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Bosch 10:04 – how do you “fix it”?

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If Eddie diddled with the boys they were abused. Now Eddie’s church members will abuse the boys,by turning a blind eye & for shaking the members belief foundation of this preacher man…. a.k.a.The Big Eddie and The Proud Powerful Eddie. I.ve been down this path before and before it is over the members will feel abused and betrayed also. Get ready for splits, relational wars, families torn apart and power plays. Follow the money and those seeking to save their jobs. Weeds will be growing through the pavement in the parking lot if they do not sit this man out until the courts rule or better yet Eddie fesses. The problem is this is one man rule, yep they have a board but it is good ole boy protocols and everybody is on the tit.. Giving is going down, programs will be cut. Staff will fight against staff. Sinking Sands In the end everyone at this church will feel guilty, the boys, eddie, staff and the members for letting this happen. Lack of Accountability, and Blind Eyes will bring this organization down. Guilty or not it is a marked ministry now. One could probably get some discounted tution at the Longfellow Youth Academy. It’s hard to blame the devil, when the devil is in the “puddin” so to speak.

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jm,

Start by letting the Bush tax cuts expire — we need more money to subsidize the middle class.

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jm

googled it! Didn’t find your list, but there were some interesting results!

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“Against FREE speech? Typical from a liberal”

There is no right to free speech on a privately owned blog. You post at the pleasure of the owner. And the right to free speech – in any case – does not insulate you from criticism of what you say.

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josef nix – yeah, I actually googled “Atlanta Gay Bars”. Eddie Long probably has a running tab at most of them.

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Bosch – You are falling for the wealth envy line of BS? I am disappointed in you.

Did you add 1) botching the oil spill response, and 2) 28% one year rise in failure to deport illegal immigrants to the list of Obama failures I started yesterday?

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You are falling for the wealth envy line of BS

Pennsy, people might take you somewhat seriously if you could act like an adult and listen to someone’s take on wealth concentration trends in America without claiming to be a mind-reader, and accusing the other guy of “wealth envy.”

Key word here being “might.” No promises on that.

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jm,

“I think education / job retraining is a better route”

Um, that IS what I consider subsidies for the middle class.

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Sigh. Why does every wingnut automatically think subsidizes are in the form of a check written to a person?

thanks sfd, you wrote it nicer than I could have.

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“ironic that I would cite the Bible to support my agnostic position”

I don’t think so at all — to me, it’s the message, not the myth.

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Bosch – “Until this is fixed, the economy will not “recover””

Not necessarily true.

However, this gap will only widen if politicians like BHO continue to live on Pennsylvania Ave.

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jm,

Again, in case you missed the point (it apparently whizzed right past your ear) — subsidies for the middle class are not a check from the government, but instead putting more money into education and job training as you suggested, also help to businesses who hire people and who make stuff…..things like that. And to do so, we need tax revenue.

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Who do you think Bishop Eddie voted for in the last presidential race?

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Well, at least he has Ted Haggard’s sympathy. Funny how the bigoted anti-gay religious zealots seems to be the one’s to get tagged with loving the boys…

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jm,

“At least I’m willing to admit both are subsidies.”

I think you are getting confrontational for no reason.

The rest of your post sort of contradicts the other, or maybe it just doesn’t make any sense to me. ????

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Bruno, I thought you might have been aware of some of those experiments but wasn’t sure. But I’m not sure how you can say that “self organization” is a miracle since it obeys the laws of science. You’ve also really lost me since you seem to be implying intelligent design but no intelligent designer. Maybe I’ve misinterpreted your statement.

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Hi Bosch!

Just wanted to let you know I’ve cursed myself with that stupid Proclaimers song posting yesterday…it’s been an ear worm since then.

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Bosch,

“wow, some people just don’t know when to shut the hell up!”

I do…shutting the hell up is listing on my sex-check card under 3 things I can do instead of have sex.

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jewcowboy,

Maybe this will help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0G3xT5zMls

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A Great quote from one of Long’s friends, Reverend Carlton Pearson:

“Until the Church — the Church, black or otherwise — confronts — not combats — confronts this issue of human sexuality and homosexuality, which is not going away. Homosexuals and homosexuality is not going away. If every gay person in our church just left or those who have an orientation or preference or an inclination, or a fantasy, if everyone left, we wouldn’t have — we wouldn’t have a church.”

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jc 10:44 – really? That’s hilarious. So, what he’s saying is all their members are either gay, or have gay thoughts?….

ha

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jm,

“So, what he’s saying is all their members are either gay, or have gay thoughts?….”

So it would seem…

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“So, what he’s saying is all their members are either gay, or have gay thoughts?….”

Or “fantasy” – anyone who has ever seen someone of the same sex and said (or thought) “if only I was a man(in my case)” has had a “gay fantasy” thought.

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jm

Not just their members. Everybody does. Some just admit it. Others don’t. “Repression of the impulse results in paranoia.” –Freud

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Jay, this is the first column of yours with which I agree. I am a follower of Jesus Christ and a former pastor. Many church people are all too eager to follow a charismatic man instead of God. I know all too well the hypocritical cover up of the truth that occurs in churches and it grieves the heart of God. If Bishop Long is innocent, I encourage him to say so – but in the meantime, I think it wise withold judgement until the facts come out – against both the Bishop and his accusers. Frankly, what I fear is that this will be settled out of court with the truth never known.

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I have to agree with Corey. Bishop Long, Showed arrogant and vile display in the pulpit. Please understand, this is a response to Bishop long on Sunday concerning the allegation; not the allege incident before!! I am not a member of Bishop long’s Church, however I’ve followed him from time to time: I never seen him as arrogant as he is. I believe it was his charm, success, influences among his congregation that held me blind. This Man is full of proud. ” I am truly sadden, yet my eyes has been open! According to the bible: much is given much is required, Where is the humility among the leaders?
Has the Church been deceived by the who’s who? (rich and the powerful in the pulpit) Are we so… scared, that we tip around, because we don’t want to be raise eyebrows. I personally don’t know if Bishop long committed such horrific acts. “But” what I do know, we have a responsibility within the Church to walk according : Ephesians 5:15 See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Ecclesiastes 7:8 better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof: and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit. I encourage the Church to return back to our first love (Jesus Christ) in prayer. We can’t survive without it. We need Jesus as much as we need water to survive.

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Eddie Long is the pastor of HIS church and can only be removed by church members.
What he does in his prsonal life, regardless of how abhorrent it may be to any us, is essentially the business of the church members.

Issues with Earl Paulk and Charles Stanley were questionable but they remained in their positions because the membership chose to support them. Same thing with Eddie Long.

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Long history of those shouting the loudest about problems being the worst offenders.

Newt Gingrich comes to mind as well….

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With the advent of the High Frauds Falwell and Robertson, hiding behind shadow organizations, the church is part and parcel of the inner sanctum of government.

Let’s stop the pretense and let them advocate on all matters political, whether from the pulpit or on Fox News, and for whichever candidate they wish.

And start taxing them, if this is the game they want to play. But it is gonna hurt their Greatest Ponzi Scheme Ever Sold…

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RB, to answer your question, no. and by “no” I mean, any denial or delusional behavior is not exclusive to the Democratic party anymore than it is to Eddie Long.

next question.

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oops
That should be jewCOYboytoy…

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jewcowboy, yep, and I am glad you didn’t indict me due to my knowledge of gay porn titles (I am, of course, heterosexual – not that there’s anything wrong with it…)

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I still have not figured out how to avoid paying those darned payroll taxes. Is there a special deduction to get rid of those.

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RB from Gwinnett,

“does anybody else see the similarity in the New Birth burying their heads in the sand with their accused leader and the Democrat party doing the same with their complete failure of a President?”

No…b/c many of do not view our President as failure. He came in with a momentous job to do and has been steadily working through the problems facing this country. Things that took decades to create. Only the addle-minded would believe such problems could be corrected in 2 years.

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josef nix,

“That should be jewCOYboytoy…”

Pretty soon I’ll have a name longer than Andy’s…

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Eddie Long: “I don’t like gay people”
Nathan Deal: “We need more fiscal responsibility”
Newt Gingrich: “We can’t have marriage infidelity by political office holders”

I detect a theme here.

Obama: “I don’t like fat cats”?

Is Obama going to be a fat cat? Guess so, after he leaves office and gives speeches for $100k a pop.

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jewcowboy

I miss Andy. I really would enjoy what he’d have to say about all this! Of course the Bruin was only acting in Andy’s best interest…the twirl would no doubt be the last straw for the poor thing.

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cult

“That’s my opinion and I am unanimous in that”

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it is possible to make $50k without paying taxes because of all the deducs

My point was, how realistic an example was the one you gave?

And to go a bit beyond that…if you’re complaining because the possibility exists for someone to earn that kind of income without being on the hook for federal income taxes, you’re ignoring the “deducs”–those surely serve a greater good, at least in someone’s mind, yes?

To get into the weeds a bit… I guess this is a roundabout way of saying I really don’t take all that seriously the oft-heard (of late, anyway—funny how I never did when Bush was President) lament by some to my right that insufficient numbers of American citizens fork over dollars directly to general revenue. I’d say that a) these complainers almost uniformly ignore the other withholding taxes or try to explain those away as somehow not counting; and b) such complaint utterly ignore the potential positive effect of those deductions themselves.

And about item B). Let’s take, for instance, the beloved, can’t-touch-this, apparently unlimited mortgage interest deduction. I have to think that this hasn’t been phased out in no small part because the US wants to keep housing prices artificially high, and to keep the affiliated industries (construction, home repair/maintenance, retail, etc.) subsidized.

So if I choose to finance, say, $25K more house than I would normally buy because the tax credit eases that burden? Sure, I’m making a choice, but the federal government is guiding me to make that choice. And it presumably has positive consequences for our general welfare, or at least that was the intent.

To hear the complainers, it’s all just out there to give half of the country a “free ride” at the expense of those hard-workin’ entreprenuerin’ job-makin’ victims of “socialism.”

(sorry for the rant, and it’s not especially directed at you, actually.)

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Tom Perez, the current attorney general for civil rights, has denied Coates’s claims. He told the Civil Rights Commission in May that the New Black Panther Party case was handled appropriately. In a July letter, Mr. Perez added that the civil rights division is “firmly committed to the evenhanded application of the law, without regard to the race of the victims or perpetrators.”

A conservative member of the Civil Rights Commission, Abigail Thernstrom, has also defended the Justice Department’s handling of the case.

“This doesn’t have to do with the Black Panthers; this has to do with [conservative] fantasies about how they could use this issue to topple the administration,” Ms. Thernstrom told Politico last month.

The case could damage the Obama administration, says Mr. Lichtman at American University. But he also argues that most Americans understand that the Voting Rights Act was intended to correct gross and historic injustices, not nit-pick along partisan lines.

“You can try to force [the Voting Rights Act] to be equal, but it’s not,” he says. “If these are the worst examples you can find, then, by God, white people in America are pretty safe.”

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larry

So all the criticism of the Bush Administration for basing enforcement on political agendas was not warranted?

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Left wing, agreed, but just for sh*ts and giggles, wouldn’t it be refreshing for Long to say; “I am not the man being portrayed in the press. I AM the man clad in tight Under Armour skivies in the photos published in the press.” It’s like when some athlete gets flagged for some on the field or off the field transgression and he says; “…that’s not the type of player or person I am…” actually, the evidence (videotape, police report, eyewitness accounts, etc. seem to suggest this is EXACTLY the type of person/player you are. this jab and retreat until trapped in a corner approach is right up there with, “my comments were taken out of context.” jm, I think it is a foregone conclusion that Obama is a “fat cat in training” if not a “closeted” fat cat right now. then again, politicians are not so much “fat cats” as the pimps who pander to fat cats. so, yeah, it’s like Eddie Long preaching against homosexuality but solicting sexual favors from homosexuals.

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“Blessed art thou who drive Bentleys.”
Thee Lord works in mysterious ways.

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I think this is a very good, balanced, update on DC and our current political climate. A nice read.

Babylon on the Potomac
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/09/28/babylon_on_the_potomac_107332.html

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larry

More to the point, I think, is that at first we had some staff attorneys making charges. Then we had a political appointee swear he didn’t do anything political. Then we had the former voting chief of the Civil Rights Division, in sworn testimony before the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, say the political appointee was, in fact, basing decisions of law and justice on political considerations.

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Excuse me how does Eddie Long preaching against homosexuality and gay marriage have anything to do with this? I believe he is guilty of these allegations these young men have made and yes that makes him a hypocrite. But is the gay community saying that if Eddie Long was a pro-gay pastor that it would be okay for this 50 something year old man to engage in sexual relations with 16, 17, or 18 year old boys? If so, that is why Christians like me who stand firmly opposed to the homosexual lifestyle consider you perverts.

Under no circumstances if Eddie Long preaches against fornication and adultery and four young women came forward to allege that he seduced them into inappropriate sexual relationships would I start calling him an adultery-phobe or a fornophobe. NO!!! Because what matters more is the FACT that this is a married man, he is 57 years old, and he occupies a place of authority in the lives of these young men and their parents. So can we just all agree that any adult who occupies a place of authority in the life of a teenager (parent, teacher, priniciple, couselor, pastor, etc.) has crossed the line when he/she coerces a teenager into a sexual relationship with him/her whether it is a different or the same gender. And I for one will be writing my state representative and senator to create a law in GA which will punish this kind of sick behavior.

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Jewcowboy, there were also many who didn’t have a problem with Clinton lying to the nations face after having an affair with a 20 year old in the oval office. Most of them not even smart enough to figure out he was impeached for lying and not for the affair. I’ll assume you were among those….

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Christians like me who stand firmly opposed to the homosexual lifestyle consider you perverts.

Fortunately, I think most Christians aren’t actually like you, and I believe your numbers dwindle with every passing year.

Emphasis on “passing,” since this seems primarily a generational thing.

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“would be okay for this 50 something year old man to engage in sexual relations with 16, 17, or 18 year old boys?”

In GA the legal age of consent is 16

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RB from Gwinnett,

“Most of them not even smart enough to figure out he was impeached for lying and not for the affair. I’ll assume you were among those….”

Yes, he was impeached for lying…and acquitted. Shall I assume you are among those that believe he was not acquitted?

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“Christians like me who stand firmly opposed to the homosexual lifestyle consider you perverts.”

Would somebody be so kind as to enlighten me on what a “homosexual lifestyle” is?

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Yes, he was impeached for lying…and acquitted.

and by doing so, the lame-duck ‘98 Congress forever dumbed down the definition of a high crime or misdemeanor, and so we should not be surprised if some future gathering of nitwits decides to declare the use of Round-Up in Michelle Obama’s vegetable garden an act of genocide.

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The income inequality folks on this blog will yuck this NY Times column up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/28/opinion/28iht-edcohen.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

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Marie, you are truly delusional.

No one has said that had Long promoted accepted homosexuality or even suggested that ye shall judge not lest ye be saved (neutral point of view) that the alleged behavior would have been acceptable.

This is not about pedophilia nor sex per se. As you correctly point out this is about someone in a position of influence and authority usurping their position. The issue would be same if he had used his influence to get financial gains. People in positions of power and influence should be careful about how they use it. The men in question were of legal age in Georgia at the time of the alleged encounters.

I agree with several commenters that the view that homosexuality and homosexuals are perverse is dying out with the older generations. Younger Americans have come to accept GLBT persons just as young people in my generation that came of age in the early 70s have come to accept racial integration and equality of the races and don’t give it a second thought.

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jm

Yeah, but what IS a “homosexual lifestyle?” Can I wear white after Labor Day? Do I need to get new furniture for the living room? Is my hair done right? So many questions…

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jm – USinUK is on vacation and is not “around” for all of this week

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Deferring the tax change decision until the end of the year is a nail in the coffin for any job creation for the remainder of the year. The Dems are sometimes just so damn clueless. I’d be very happy with a Dem president and Republican legislature….

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/27/death-wish-democrats/

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josef nix – I’m guessing you could get an answer if you go survey the folks at Bulldogs. Maybe give a ring to Eddie Long?

If only part of the requirement was a “Midtown Condo”, we could probably quickly solve the midtown housing glut.

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And, strictly speaking, if these allegations turn out to be true…he didn’t prey on children in the sense you mean. The young men who accused him were all 16 or older at the time. 16 is the legal age of consent in Ga.

Pederast then…………six of one and a half dozen of another…….

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Marie – you are clueless. First of all, neanderthal’s are smarter than you think (see article). And second, they were probably smarter than you….

Then again, you probably don’t believe in science….

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100921171412.htm

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jewcowboy- yes, it was an nice read. Don’t fall prey to confirmation bias though. That’s what all the Fox viewers do….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

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josef nix,

“They’d be bored to tears in short order!”

You mean its not all circuit parties, designer drugs, and cosmopolitans? But I saw it on tv…

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jm

You mean I have to go to Bulldog’s? It’s after Labor Day, Can I wear white? Do I HAVE to move to Midtown…I mean, it’s soooo gauche!

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jm @ 11.56, that’s a good column, but I found this, in its comments page to be especially enlightening. And by “enlightening” I mean depressing as hell…

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Uncertainty over a 4% marginal tax hike is hooey. The economy is wrecked, not just in the ditch needing pulled out. We need a flatbed wrecker and we probably gotta go car shopping – it’s that kind of wrecked. The engine of consumer demand was starved of wages, consumed it’s savings, consumed it’s assests, and consumed some more courtesy of easy credit.

We don’t just need to fill up and check the oil – that engine is blown up. There are basically three possibilities.

1) the economy is stimulated by a large and sustained investment spree by the Federal Government. Rebuild the roads and bridges and so forth that we’ve neglected in our free lunch, me first quarter century. Reinvest in research, and build our new infrastructure needs. We must have an information net that is first rate and a power grid too. Currently they are both at best second, and maybe third rate.
2) the Federal government could tax the wealthy and through payroll tax holiday and refundable credits, move money into the hands of people who will spend it.
3) We can remain mired in this intractable chicken and egg of no demand/no jobs, until ever so slowly those few with money spend some and over the next 20 years or so we might get back up to not really awful.

Honestly I don’t think it’s uncertainty at all. I think most people are resigned to Republican gains and “emboldened obstruction” resulting in the third scenario. They are holding on to money because there is no useful place to put it.

It took 40 years to grind up our economy into the fine mess we see today. I’ll consider myself lucky if I live to see real recovery. Current political talk holds no promise for working class folks. No real efforts to reinvigorate labor. No effort to stigmatize obscene “salaries” No effort to even suggest that workers deserve a decent share of the value they create. Feudalism isn’t a growth industry – you cannot enserf the workers and grow the economy.

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and speaking of the enserfted, I gotta leave the time-suck. Later!

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Jewcowboy,
He was impeached for lying. He was not removed from office for it. Regardless of the outcome of the political manuvering, HE LIED to all of us after having an affair with a 20 year old intern in the oval office.

And you still to this day can’t bring yourself to say the mans behavior was unacceptable for a sitting President and he should have been removed from office.

You dems lack of morality and unwillingness to hold your leaders accountable is pathetic.

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jm @ 12.12,

That is what Long should have said to his congregation….

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RB from Gwinnett,

“And you still to this day can’t bring yourself to say the mans behavior was unacceptable for a sitting President and he should have been removed from office. ”

Funny…I find a little more reprehensible to send 4k+ American men and women to their deaths as well as 100k innocent civilians to settle some daddy issues…where is your poutrage about that?

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josef nix –

that’s funny. Afraid I don’t know, I’d have to defer to Eddie Long for answers…. skin tight suits?

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jewcowboy 12:13 – I may vomit

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“It’s after Labor Day, Can I wear white?”

Stacey and Clinton (What not to wear) say you CAN wear white after Labor Day…but actually, it’s not “wear white” it’s “wear white shoes”

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paleo – glad you went ahead and made the judgment he’s guilty. this isn’t a courtroom, just the court of public opinion. it’s obvious to anyone not in denial he’s guilty

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jc 12:18 – fortunately not yet…

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Swede Atlanta it is sad how some people cannot use reason and logic when they are reading. My point is why even bring up Eddie Long’s supposed homophobia or the homophobia in the black church at all. READ IT SLOW — if these were 4 young women making similar accusations NO ONE would be talking about Eddie Long being a fornophobe or an adultery-phobe even though I am sure he has preached against these two sexual sins (fornication and adultery) as well. Yet this has now become a referendum on the black church and so-called “homophobes”. And I say bull. Any Christian man who preaches believes that he is representing the authority of God’s word as he is preaching and how he interprets the Bible. If you don’t agree with his interpretation then so be it — don’t go to his church and don’t listen to his broadcast, telecast or whatever. But he should not change what he teaches because YOU find his views abhorrent. Finally, just because Eddie Long or any other minister does not live up to his teachings does not make his teachings wrong. It makes the person wrong, it makes them a hypocrite, but what he teaches stands for itself because it should be based on the Word of God.

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RB, hate to go bumper sticker, but when Clinton lied, nobody died. you know, in a funny way, your outrage has a bit of church and state in it. the whole concept of monogamy and marital fidelity originates from the 10 Commandments. so, if Christians want to “impeach” Clinton, I am all for it. and once again, please refer me to the Article or Amendment in the Constitution, which prohibits the POTUS from sex out of wedlock? as you (over and over) point out, it was accused/convicted of perjury, so if the Senate did not see fit to remove him, case closed. the origin of the lie is immaterial. I brought up Clinton to compare his denials and “I’m the victim” stuff to Long’s. I could care less if he’s a scoundrel, or Hillary is gay, or whether or not he thinks oral sex is not sex.

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, I also believe that women should be submissive to their husbands,

This person is obviously NOT married. I wonder how long that “submissive’ gene will last when her husband comes home drunk, acting stupid and demands sex?

and that you should maintain your virginity (as I am doing) until you are married.

Yeah, i KNEW she/he wasn’t married!

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Would somebody be so kind as to enlighten me on what a “homosexual lifestyle” is?

Debbie’s Definition of a “Homesexual Lifestyle”: A lifestyle where you get up early in the morning, go to work and pay taxes like everyone else.

PS: You also wear boas and say “Girlfriend!!” every other word. Girlfriend!!! (snap)

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RB from Gwinnett,

“They don’t extend the same “tolerance” to those who disagree with them they expect to get back in return.”

Yeah, Marie calling gay people perverts is real tolerant…

“that is why Christians like me who stand firmly opposed to the homosexual lifestyle consider you perverts.”

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jm, I think we have lines crossed with marie. I cut and pasted her post and added my response. at this point, Long is not guilty of criminal activity (the lawsuits were filed in civil court, and as noted, thus far the all accusers are above the age of consent – 16, 17 & 18, I believe). I believe civil cases produce a “judgment” as opposed to “conviction” but if you go to my initial post, these are just lawyer-speak terms which allow people like Long to tap-dance around the truth and mask the true nature of his behavior. it’s like the whole “innocent until proven guilty” ruse. just because one is “presumed innocent” by the court does not imply or confirm innocence. a person is innocent or guilty of a crime when he she breaks the law, or does not break the law. the fact that it takes the cops and courts a couple weeks, months, years to present a case, does not change guilt or innocence.

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Marie, Kudos for standing your ground with this Christian hater crowd. They don’t extend the same “tolerance” to those who disagree with them they expect to get back in return. For them, “tolerance” only applies to people they agree with.

Not true. We tolerate you and Whine and Scout and a whole bunch more with different views every day!! If you didn’t want someone to “debate” with, you’d be over there on Kyle’s blog with people of liked minds as yours yanking each other’s chain. So to speak.

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DDR

“Debbie’s Definition of a “Homesexual Lifestyle”: A lifestyle where you get up early in the morning, go to work and pay taxes like everyone else.”

Oh, no! My CDGL (Certificate of Degree of Gay Lifestyle) Card has been rescinded. I didn’t get up and go to work today!

Not being a sorry-low-down-good-for-nothing, though. Got a doctor’s excuse…and my drugs are legal!

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“where are your priorities. you probably voted for obama too, how do you like your change now?”

Obama is now responsible for salary caps and bad behavior by professional sports figures…sheesh.

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Hmmm, he could have stopped after the first and last words.

Obama: Democratic voter apathy ‘inexcusable’ or Obama: ‘inexcusable’

Can’t wait ’til November….mmm, mmm, mmm………

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josef nix,

“Got a doctor’s excuse…and my drugs are legal!”

Lipitor doesn’t count

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DDR/jewcowboy

Maintains her virginity? Now by just which definition…to proclaim it or upkeep?

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Ummm…maybe b/c the accusers are male and not female? The self-loathing gay man charge wouldn’t “stick” so to speak if he was not having gay sex…

While I do believe that Eddie Long is gay — I do not believe he is a self-loathing gay man because he led an anti-gay march and has used his pulpit to speak out against gays. Eddie Long is a DECEIVER plain and simple. He needed to speak out against homosexuality because he wanted his members and specifically the parents of these young men to trust him with their sons. The whole body building, hip-hop schlick, and “I love my wife” talk in the pulpit was done to portray himself as a bona fide heterosexual. If he acted like a gay man it is highly unlikely that these mothers would have allowed their young sons to hang out with him. And his act of deception is proved in his attempts to convince these young men that they were not engaging in “sex” but it was simply him releasing his passion or anointing on them. And then using the word of God to make it good and right is even further dispicable.

And Debbie-Do-Right — sorry missy I don’t drink or smoke either so I would NEVER marry a man who drinks or smoke so the husband coming home drunk and demanding sex that won’t be happening. And you know since I am a virgin if I ever get a marry I doubt if my husband will ever have to demand sex (if you know what I mean — LOL!!!).

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“please refer me to the Article or Amendment in the Constitution, which prohibits the POTUS from sex out of wedlock?”

If you need to see it written in the constitution to know it’s wrong, there is no hope for you. That has to be one of the silliest cop-outs I’ve ever seen on the subject. Go hang out on the funny papers blog if that’s all you’ve got. Geez…

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Marie,

You are absolutely right that had the accuers been women we would not be challenging him for his hypocrisy for preaching against adultery and fornication.

Why is that? It is because society has essentially accepted adultery and fornication as givens and no longer view them with stigma. While we might privately chastize the adulterer for violation of his or her marriage vows, there is little public outcry.

But people such as yourself still stigmatize and demonize “gays” by claiming them to be perverse. So at the same time the good preacher was joining the demonization chorus he was allegedly engaging in the very things he publicly opposed.

It is the double standard as much as the hypocrisy that is an issue for me here.

And just asking, what do you do for fun?

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Stuart L.

paleo neo-carlinist – well that’s your opinion and your entitled to it. but you just proved that you are just another secular conformist and most likely look to our poor excuse of a government as your savior.

most definitely “secular” but more non-conformist. can you read, Stuart? my point in introducing the church and state concept is my belief that most Americans “look to the government as a savior” with the same ignorance that people of faith look to a bearded man in the sky as a savior.

heck, you probably even believe that you are the descendant of a monkey. technically (actually, genetically) homo sapiens share common anscestors with primates (elitist word for “monkeys”). it’s called DNA and if we use it to convict rapists and murderers in court, and put these people to death, we have to acknowledge the link between homo sapiens and primates.

i don’t have to help my case, because i reserve the right granted to me by the constitution to say what i want when i want. – of course you have the right to speak you mind. just like Eddie Long (and Marie).

something else the constitution affords us the right to a fair trial and to be believed innocent until proven guilty.

not according to Amendment VI (capital/infamous crimes) – “the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed.” does your copy of the Constitution contain the words “presumed innocent” or “innocent until proved guilty”?

how about civil court? Ammendment VII – “In suits of Common Law,where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved.” – does your copy of the Constitution contain the word “fair”? mine does not. and I can tell you, as the veteran of many “suits where the value in controversey exceeded $20″ there ain’t no such thing as a “fair trial”.

i suggest that you brush up on that instead bashing Christians for their faith. – see above Stuart. I think you need to stop bashing secular non-conformists, and brush up on your Civics 101.

you probably even support the mosque proposed to built at ground zero. -I neither support it, nor oppose it. I think the First Amendment (I just brushed up on it) has the final say. at the very least, the NYC Zoning Board, city council, or whatever have the final say.

i just love given enough rope, some people quickly just how ignorant and bigoted they are. – couldn’t agree more. and by “ignorant” you mean lacking a grasp of the facts, right?

you condemn because he has wealth, yet you support paying athletes 25 to 30 million a year to play ball, rape girls in a bar, drive drunk, and gamble on the sport they play and their still walking free without even a slap on the wrist. – let me channel Kamchack. please show me where I condemned Long “because he has wealth”? please show me where I “support paying athletes $25 – $30 million… yada, yada, yada.”

you approve of this and the country is going down the toilet daily.

the country is most certainly circling the drain, but I didn’t pull the lever to flush (but if I understand your analogy, you believe “the country” is sh*t?).

where are your priorities. you probably voted for obama too, how do you like your change now? – my prioroties are in self-improvement and a profound distrust of any politician, member of the media or clergy. I have NEVER voted for a democrat (or a republican – except Ron Paul, when he ran as a Libertarian in ‘88). I no longer vote, period. it is the ultimate expression of the masturbatory nature of “hope and change” (which, by the way, was Reagan’s message in ‘80 – “it’s morning in America? are you better off now than you were in 1976?” ALL politicians (and preachers) invoke images of hope and change. now, go home and get you shine box!

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josef, you didn’t get your CDGL online did you?

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I heard that Da Bishop called the young men to apologize and they said he could ‘Kiss their a$$es’! So it looks like they are going to settle out of court.

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BADA BING @ 1.11,

WOW! I just nearly fell out of my chair laughing

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josef re:”homosexual lifestyle”???In a way this statement is at the heart of our total ignorance about human beings and the variation in needs , interests, abilities , contribution to the mosaic of life and I could go on and on …Why are people so shackled by fear that they cannot live and let live?

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Marie, I think you’re reverse sexist, or something like that. If he molested women, he’d be in hot water too. The brunt of fewer jokes? Yes, but he’d still be a hypocrite and headed to jail.

http://www.theitem.com/news/article_1cea60a5-fa6f-5ea3-be85-269af8605a58.html

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RB from Gwinnett,

“If you need to see it written in the constitution to know it’s wrong, there is no hope for you. ”

So the Senate is now the morality police for the Presidency…interesting.

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In other gay news – Barney Frank is a Closet Subprime Housing Lover

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/barney_new_excuse_xr9UKP7eqW0PmiFRWJrtlK

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jm

Marie a troll? Hmmm, Andy’s been fired due to Jay’s cutbacks, but then here comes Marie and Andy IS a lesbian, you know…just the facts here, draw your own conclusions!

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DDR

One of my aunts, the loose caboose, said “well you may buy a pair of shoes without trying them on, but it don’t make no sense to me when there’s a no return rider on the bill of sale.”

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godless heathen – “The slackers aren’t keeping up.”

There’s a sad element of truth to that sarcastic statement. Reference focus on STEM education, graduation rates, etc.

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jm

September 28th, 2010
11:56 am

“The share of national income held by the top 1 percent of American families has doubled in recent decades to 20 percent. That’s a huge shift”

Good article but the take home is that for capitalism to work at it’s best and create the most wealth you need to pay your employees because they are also your customers. The more the top takes the more we head in the direction of feudalism.

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What I don’t get is the low expections that the New Birth family has of their leaders. Standing behind your leader is one thing, but blind loyalty is another. How on God’s earth can they just stand so steadfastly behind a man and not demand anything from him? I honestly don’t get it.

I am of the Pentecostal faith, and I will tell you that if my pastor was accused of something like this, I would demand that he provide some kind of context around this. If he said to the congregation ‘I am not a homosexual. I have never participated in any homosexual activities.’ or something concrete like that….I would be behind him 100%. But, if, as my leader, he could not stand before me and give me something concrete to believe in, there is no way I would support him.

Pastors and spiritual leaders have a duty to be forthcoming and truthful to their congregation…..ESPECIALLY if he/she hasn’t done anything wrong. People look up to their church pastors…they entrust these men/women with helping to guide them on their spiritual journey. There is no way a pastor should have his flock hanging on like this.

And for an entire church to blindly follow a leader who cannot be forthcoming and truthful to them is sickening to me!

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paleo

Would that either of these two aunties had half that ole broad’s class! She’s the one who took me when I was 10 down to Bourbon Street to watch the naked lady swing out over the street. When Mama found out, she was scandalized. Tante Mabel’s response? “Well, Jeanne-Marie, the boy’s got to learn. You don’t want him to grow up to be a pervert, do you?”

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“There’s a sad element of truth to that sarcastic statement. ”

Wasn’t being sarcastic.

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Marcos, you need to tweak your scorecard. according to the O.C.G.A., he is not a pedophile. were his companions under the age of 14 (age of consent?) he would be both a pedophile AND child molester. outside of the law, most of us consider him to be a conflicted, sel-loathing homosexual (not that there is anything wrong with it). were I a Christian, I’d pray for him, but I am not, so I will just judge him harshly and make jokes about his duplicity.

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I wonder if any of the boys were Black Panters? (no mispelling)

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Jewcowboy — You misread my post; I do not believe Eddie Long loathes himself — I think he is love with all 5′ 5″ of himself. The man is a deceiver and he preached against homosexuality because he is personally against it but because he wanted to deceive his congregation and more importantly the young men he victimized. And my statement is obtuse — really?? I am a black woman and I CANNOT think of one black woman who would willingly let her young son hang out with a 57 year old gay man. Even if they knew their teenage son was gay they would not want them hanging around a man that much older then them but would want them in a age appropriate gay relationship.

Swede Atlanta — If Eddie Long as a married man was coercing teenaged girls who have bypassed the state’s legal age into sexual relations I would consider this perversion. If he was a single 50 something year old man coercing teenaged girls into sexual relations I would consider this perversion. I guess I did not artfully phrase my original point — it is the AGE difference and the alleged coercion and acts of deception that I find truly disgusting. And it is sad that too many folks are focusing on homophobia instead of the fact that these boys were too young to enter into a consensual relationship with a man this old and one who had a powerful influence in their lives by the very nature of his position. Instead I often read in some blogs people taking up for him and saying that these young men were of legal age so it was okay and for anyone who thinks that I find that perverse.

If Eddie Long was carrying on an affair with a consenting adult (similar to Ted Haggard) although I would state his actions were wrong (because I do not believe in homosexuality) it would not offend me as much because I really could careless what 2 consenting adults do in their own bed. Let me be clear I DO NOT HATE homosexuals and yeah JewCowboy I do have cousins, friends, co-workers, etc., who are homosexuals. I do not hang out with them or talk with them about their lifestyle but I also do not delve into the intimate details of the lives of heterosexuals I know. As I stated I could care less what consenting adults do — if that’s your thing go for it.

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Marcos, you need to tweak your scorecard. according to the O.C.G.A., he is not a pedophile. were his companions under the age of 14 (age of consent?) he would be both a pedophile AND child molester

He’s a pederast.

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Marie, you and I are in complete agreement with regard to the issue of coercion by a person of confidence and authority usurping that position to gain some form of benefit (sex, money, etc.) from someone who looks to him/her as a reference figure. While agen is a factor I don’t believe that the prohibition against such abuse of position should be limited to situations where age is a factor (not to mention sex or sexual orientation). A boy scout leader age 19 could just as easily usurp that position with a 17 or 18 year old boy scout who looked up to the leader for inspiration, confided to him in confidence, etc.

The other point, however, that I think you missed in my post was my response to your assertion that had these been girls rather than boys there wouldn’t be the level of outcry as to his hypocrisy. If I understood it correctly your assertion was that his hypocrisy was an issue because it involved homosexual conduct against his public anti-gay rhetoric but wouldn’t have been had it been heterosexual conduct against his anti-adultery and anti-fornication rhetoric.

My theory on this is that the hypocrisy as to homosexuals and homosexual conduct is an issue because his opposition fuels and supports the continued stigmatization and demonization of homosexuals. This is compared against the fact that society in general does not stigmatize adulterers (look at our adulterous politicians that are not sanctioned by voters) and fornicators. The impact of his hypocrisy against gays is more hurtful because it supports public stigmatization and demonization.

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JewCowboy you are much too uptight to be objective because you cannot get beyond the fact that I do not agree with homosexuality and by your own admission you are a homosexual so you’re offended. I will be the very first to admit that I am not up on the latest lingo of modern culture and who hangs out with whom. But sorry I just don’t know of any mother who would approve of her daughter or son hanging around a 50 somethin year old man or woman. Most people that I know have age appropriate relationships.

And sorry how I feel or don’t feel about homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with black men who are on the down low or in the closet. Each person is accountable for his/her own life and how they live it with integrity. So for any black man to blame the black church for their decision to go on the down low or remain in the closet is just simply cowardness and nothing else. If you have the freedom to make that choice (which you do) then you also have the same freedom to make that choice known and suffer the consequences whatever they maybe. I suffer just as much backlash or more in the black community for being a conservative but it doesn’t stop me from being what I am.

And there are probably just as many men of all races who are on the down low or in the closet and it has nothing to do with the black church or me. But because a black gay man wrote a book and went of Oprah talking about this in the black community folks like you want to make being on the down low a black thing. There are plenty who are out of the closet and trust me sir I DO NOT preach to them about their life decision (since I cannot say lifestyle) because again I could careless.

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DDR, you are correct, he’s a Pederast. jewcowboy, I just saw the “no criminal charges” headline, which means this will be a “he said/he said” case to determine if Long is a full-time homosexual, or if he “outsources” his gayness – which is akin to taking jobs away from real (openly gay) American homosexuals, isn’t it? I think it will tough to prove “coercion” what with this being a church issue and the “age of consent” aspect. if any of the accusers were church employees, it might stray into employment law, but this is gonna be interesting.

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very well said and very sad to think about. i was molested as a child and you r absolutely right

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Marie,

“But sorry I just don’t know of any mother who would approve of her daughter or son hanging around a 50 somethin year old man or woman. ”

So no mother would let their daughter or son hang out with an uncle or aunt, or even a grandparent who might be gay? What about the gay parents of kids, whom the black community turned their backs on?
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/0923/Florida-ban-on-gay-adoption-unconstitutional-court-rules

“I suffer just as much backlash or more in the black community for being a conservative but it doesn’t stop me from being what I am.”

Yes..people will beat you up and kill you for being a “conservative” just like they will for being gay. And yes even threatened by your own Senators staff:
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/24/chambliss-office-source-of-anti-gay-comment/

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Marie,

“There are plenty who are out of the closet and trust me sir I DO NOT preach to them about their life decision”

So when did you choose to be straight…exactly when did you make that decision?

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I can’t speak for Marie, but it would appear Eddie Long makes the decision to be straight on Sundays, but the other six days is a “gametime decision”.

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Hillbilly Deluxe,

“Having been raised in the Baptist church, I will say that Long is the first Baptist I’ve ever heard of that carried the title, Bishop”

Or an iPad…

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Oh you mean like the black conservative who was beaten up at a townhall meeting for expressing his opinion about the health care plan. So yeah black conservatives do suffer name calling and beatings.

And by hanging out I do not mean an older adult occasionally talking with a young person, being a mentor and just having casual conversations with them. By hanging out I am referring to what Eddie Long is reported to have been doing in which he is working out with these young men, taking them out of town, buying them gifts, showing up at their place, etc. Most parents would draw a line if an adult was showing this much attention to their child but he was able to hide behind his office as a Bishop.

And as a Christian I believe we’re all born in sin and you make the decision as to whether or not you practice sin or live a life of Godliness. As a heterosexual I have chosen to abstain from sex until I marry although I could very well choose to sin and commit fornication with a man. And since I believe that homosexuality is a sin as is fornication or adultery — a person therefore has a choice as to whether or not he/she will commit that sin.

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paleo

I said, I hope that justice would be served. Didn’t say that it, necessarily, will be.

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there can be some charges filed against a person if the non-profit money is used for personal gain. That is a felony. So let us not be too quick to say that there will not be any criminal charges because the government is sitting back waiting to see what is going to have with an already ongoing investigation as well as the outcome of this civil suit, whether it is settled by the defendant or won by the plaintiff, either of these two can cause criminal charges to be filed against the defendant.

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I never did get any response from anyone regarding the questions about whether or not you are under the Old Covenant or the New Covenant. Let’s blog about it. Because this thing could go on for a long time so let’s use some of this time shedding a little light on some things if you don’t mind conversing with a non mega.

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Remember this, whenever you hear someone, usually a man, mention David when they are defending a negative accusation, especially one about sex, they are trying to remind you of David’s sin and how he kept his throne. And for people who have not studied for themselves to know how David suffer because of his sinful acts, that is a sure way for a sinner to keep them fooled and under his or her control.

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I watched the video last night of Jamal Parris speaking about Bishop Long and it seemed EXTREMELY credible. Also sad. But the interesting part was watching the live video of members of New Birth Church after THEY watched the video of Jamal. THAT is the video to see.

In case you haven’t seen it yet, here’s the link: http://tinyurl.com/3748cal

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Anyone who looks deeply into the eyes of Parris, his accuser will see there is pain and truth… he has challenged Bishop Long to look him in the eyes and tell him that all he says is not true…. the ball’s in your court Bishop Long… look this young man in his eyes and let’s see who speaks the truth…

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[...] Words still unspoken by Independent Baptist Eddie Long For Eddie Long, whatever remains in his metaphoric sack of rocks, important words remain unspoken. Jay Bookman of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution writes: [...]

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They need to sit him down period !!!!!! I left a church because the Pastor was having sex with every woman he could find and it left the church broken and all the time he stayed at the pulpit and it was so gross and nasty to believe anything of God was coming out of his mouth.I believe that the money and power go to there heads and they get the star power where no one and tell them no and then the put Gods name on it. Shame on the men of God to use people!! Come judgement day I know we will get our justice Amen

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Can’t wait to get this guy on my site (if he’s found guilty): ihatehypocrites.com

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