For Bishop Long, important words not yet spoken

Bishop Eddie Long stood in the pulpit Sunday morning, looked out over the thousands assembled to hear him speak, and talked of his congregation as a family that gave him great comfort in a time of pain.

Long also spoke fondly of other ministers — his sons and daughters, he called them — who had begun at New Birth Missionary Baptist Church and had left to their own congregations to return home in a show of support and solidarity.

Bishop Eddie Long speaks Sunday at New Birth Missionary Baptist Church. (AP)

Bishop Eddie Long speaks Sunday at New Birth Missionary Baptist Church. (AP)

Yet, after days of awkward silence, Long could not look the members of that family in the face and tell them plainly that he was innocent, that he had not engaged in sex with four young male church members who looked to him for guidance.

As the bishop explained to the congregation, he had been counseled by attorneys not to address the facts of the case.

“It will be tried in the court of justice and dealt with in the court of justice, and please understand, because that’s the only place I think I’ll get justice,” Long told the congregation.

There’s logic to that. Long is a smart man, and a smart man listens to his attorneys. But the bishop is also too smart to truly believe that this can be handled as merely a legal dispute.

Long’s own description of his congregation as a family makes that point all too well. His four accusers are — or were until recently — also members of “the New Birth family,” most of them since boyhood. They were drawn to the church seeking guidance and salvation, but now claim to have received something quite different from those they trusted.

In rallying so strongly to Long, the church is in effect turning its back on other members of its family who may have been victims of an awful betrayal. If we are not to judge Long guilty or innocent prematurely, it would seem important to give his accusers the same benefit of the doubt. Yet so far, based on no apparent investigation, the church seems ready to cast them aside as liars.

As family counselors and child-abuse specialists can testify, that’s not surprising. The dynamics at New Birth are painfully similar to those in families all across the country.

Set aside for the moment the question of guilt or innocence. Too often, when a younger, subordinate family member alleges abuse at the hands of an elder, the instinctive, self-protective reaction of other adults is to ignore it, to close eyes and ears and hearts to the claim and the claimant. It happens every day.

That is particularly true when the alleged abuser is the family breadwinner and authority figure, because the consequences of the charge being true are so explosive.

In a church as in a home, it can be far less painful to suppress the claim than to demand accountability from those with power.

That scenario is clearly playing out at New Birth. In remarks to the media Sunday, Long said that not only is he staying in the pulpit, he intends to increase his longstanding commitment to work with youth, both “young men and young ladies.” Apparently, no one in the church hierarchy is willing to tell Long that innocent or guilty, that is not a smart move.

It’s also important to point out that a courtroom victory or negotiated settlement may not be enough to allow Long to claim innocence on the larger charges against him.

In a courtroom, if you can’t argue the facts then you can at least argue the law. In this case, the civil case against Long depends heavily on the issue of coercion. If — and that little two-letter word remains powerfully important — if Long did indeed engage in sex with young men in his congregation, he could argue that they did so of their own free will and thus avoid being legally liable.

However, outside the courtroom, that kind of verdict would be hard to sell as vindication, even to the family at New Birth.

396 comments Add your comment

Belinda

September 28th, 2010
7:47 am

I agree with your article, Jay.

mystified

September 28th, 2010
7:48 am

I don’t think this is going to end very well.

Granny Godzilla

September 28th, 2010
7:48 am

From sad long ago personal experience I can say this is very true.

“Too often, when a younger, subordinate family member alleges abuse at the hands of an elder, the instinctive, self-protective reaction of other adults is to ignore it, to close eyes and ears and hearts to the claim and the claimant. It happens every day.”

I hope these young men get treated fairly and with respect.

Finn McCool

September 28th, 2010
7:54 am

boy scouts now have a policy of “2-deep leadership” where adults and kids are never left alone together.

Gale

September 28th, 2010
7:57 am

With the black community so allegedly against homosexuality, I have to believe this state of denial is a precursor to a painful revelation in the family.

Man? God?

September 28th, 2010
7:59 am

Leave Long alone, Bookman. America needs the distraction of the perennial peccadillos of its parochial pinocchios like it needs desperate housewives and girls gone wild, but then I repeat myself.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 28th, 2010
8:02 am

my first instinct (last week) was to dismiss this as not newsworthy, but in many ways it dovetails nice with everything we discuss on this and other blogs. is about politics (power and control), and politics is about the illusions and sleight of hand. if the allegations are true… nah, I am not a lawyer who has to tap-dance with words, this case is about am man who has literally made a career out of denegrating and verbally abusing homosexuals, who is himself a homosexual (of course he will not admit as much, he merely claims the allegations are untrue. ergo, he is a retired tea partier clamoring about entitlements. he is a “small government” Republican approving record spending, corporate welfare (bailouts) and the continued erosion of the Constitution (Patriot Act). he is a “pro choice” liberal who is really pro abortion. in politics words trump action. the very fact that the black community has produced the term “on the down low” in lieu of homosexuality makes this another example of poli-speak in action, as opposed to what it is, at worst criminal behavior and at best disingenuous, inappropriate, unethical behavior by one who would claim to be a leader. separation of church and state? not possible.

IceChocolate

September 28th, 2010
8:05 am

New Birth Church WEALTHY and LEADERSHIP memebers…sit Eddie Long down now! Eddie Long must not continue in the pulpit until the the lawsuits are investigated. BERNICE KING…STEP UP AND TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR CHURCH NOW.

Doggone/GA

September 28th, 2010
8:11 am

“he is a “pro choice” liberal who is really pro abortion.”

I’d like to see your evidence for liberals who are pro abortion. And how does this story about Bishop Long even BEGIN to approach anything to do with separation of church and state?

M Alfred

September 28th, 2010
8:12 am

This has nothing to do with Mr. Bookman it has to do with Eddie Long. Please hate the message not the messenger. The majority of us believe that these young men are not lying.

TaxPayer

September 28th, 2010
8:12 am

Does New Birth Church preach against gays. Just curious.

Doggone/GA

September 28th, 2010
8:13 am

“Does New Birth Church preach against gays”

According to news reports, Bishop Long does.

ty webb

September 28th, 2010
8:16 am

“Does New Birth Church preach against gays”

But…but… I thought it was only those mean ole Mormons that preached against the gays.

Doggone/GA

September 28th, 2010
8:18 am

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 28th, 2010
8:21 am

Doggone/GA, I’m sorry for the misunderstanding. my point is; people in power will use words and euphimisms to “spin” or polish their message. for example; neo-cons who claim to be “small government” presiding over the largest expansion of government spending and influence (pre-emptive war, Patriot Act, bailouts of banks, airlines and automakers). the proverbial “wolves in sheeps clothing”. again, I apologize for speaking in abstract concepts, which require independent (what some would call “outside the box”) thinking. ergo, be it religious faith/promises of salvation or patriotism/promises of freedom; these concepts and ideas (see yesterday) are used to control the behaviors of many, for the benefit of a few. it’s all presented as “the American way” or one’s “Christian faith”, so to that end, as I have always maintained, both the church and the state employ essentially the same business plan; limit and control the information you present, and discourage the acquistion of knowledge or alternative information. in doing so; you can convince young men to enlist in the Army to be sent to some oil-rich part of the world to die for Haliburton, OR you can convince three or four teenagers that sex with another man is OK, if the other man is man of god.

ausfahrt

September 28th, 2010
8:23 am

I speak in defense of the many black, same gender loving, pastors, on the down low, within the church who are men of integrity. Yes, integrity!
They are unlike pastor Long who feed a self-focus, an egotism, a narcissism that leads him to believe that, that he can do whatever he want. He’s invincible. Promote hypocrisy. And there will be no consequences.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 28th, 2010
8:23 am

Doggone/GA, excuse me, I forgot to incluse the Socialists (Castro in Cuba) and the Communist Chinese, as well as al Qeada, who also use language and grandiose imagery to control the behaviors of others (for their own self-interests).

Doggone/GA

September 28th, 2010
8:27 am

pnc..I think I did get the tone of your message, but in particular I felt that the “pro abortion” inclusion was so over-the-top that it detracted from what you were trying to say.

Ummmm Yeah

September 28th, 2010
8:28 am

Eddie Long is not Gay…Gays don’t prey on children or groom them for sex…That is what Pedophiles do.

ty webb

September 28th, 2010
8:28 am

“I think I did get the tone of your message, but in particular I felt that the “pro abortion” inclusion was so over-the-top that it detracted from what you were trying to say.”

Shocker!

Stephanie K.

September 28th, 2010
8:29 am

If in fact these accusations are true, it is yet another reminder that our awesome creator has and does live in ALL his children and that gays can indeed preach with fiery tongues!!! God bless,

Stephanie

NowReally

September 28th, 2010
8:29 am

The way the members and leadership at New Birth are handling this situation is extremely disappointing. In the end, I think the allegations will be proven true; although without great harm to the church. The reason I don’t believe it will harm the church is because its members seem to be okay with their heads in the sand. However, if I were a resident of Dekalb county, I would question the association of my police force, politicians and school system in regards to their relationship with the overall New Birth organization.

I think the Bishop should have step down until the entire situation had been resolved. However, his arrogance is too great and his ability to delegate authority to his appointed leadership team is lacking.

Doggone/GA

September 28th, 2010
8:30 am

“Gays don’t prey on children or groom them for sex…That is what Pedophiles do.”

They aren’t mutually exclusive either. Gey pedophiles prey on children of their own sex. Hetero pedophiles prey on children of the opposite sex.

And, strictly speaking, if these allegations turn out to be true…he didn’t prey on children in the sense you mean. The young men who accused him were all 16 or older at the time. 16 is the legal age of consent in Ga.

Call it like it is

September 28th, 2010
8:31 am

New Birth is not a church and long is not a preacher. New Birth is a business that teaches money and wealth are good, and Long is the CEO.

It amazes me how I go through Atlanta and see billboard after billboard of a man and woman with hands held up to the sky wanting people to come to their mega churches. I find it even more interesting last night watching the news, how these mega churches also have their own award banquets, driving up in limos, bentlys, with their custom suits and Mr. T starter kits, walking down the red carpet like they are kings.

There is nothing holy about these men. They are shams and con artists.

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle then a rich man to enter the gates of heaven.

ty webb

September 28th, 2010
8:33 am

“Eddie Long is not Gay…Gays don’t prey on children or groom them for sex…That is what Pedophiles do.”

point taken,therefore he’s a gay pedophile.

Ncoms

September 28th, 2010
8:33 am

First of all let me say hello to all of my brothers and sisters in Christ and to those who are calle according to God’s purpose. I would like to address two things and the first being does anyone know the difference between the Old and the New Covenants? Second Everyone that stands in the pulpit is not approved by God. Read about the seven churhes in Revelation and there is one being chastised for allowing that so called prophetess in the pulpit called jezebel who is seducing the young men and is commanded to repent or all her children and the ones allowing it or associated with it will be killed. This passage not only applies to women jezebels, but to men who are standing in the pulpit seducing young men or men or younwomen or women, and any one who allows it or asociates with it. Please be in prayer for the church and to help you answer the first question please read Hebrews or Romans.

Matt

September 28th, 2010
8:37 am

I’m quite certain that Eddie Long’s lawyers didn’t advise him NOT to deny the charges?
What legal harm would have been done if Eddie Long said to his congregation – “I did not nor have I ever committed such an act!”
To simply say “I’m not a perfect man” to me is an admission of guilt on some level.

Man? God?

September 28th, 2010
8:38 am

The way to millions of dollars and millions of people is to marry the gospel with 401K advice. Nearly every preacher I’ve ever heard talks about bettering yourself through religious discipline.

Pray for yourselves, future demons of America!!!

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 28th, 2010
8:38 am

Doggone/GA, maybe I was using what I feel was forceful, discomforting language to make a point – paleo-neo-Carlinists, by defintion, do not “go over the top” (see: Carlin’s 7 dirty words). politicians and preachers (church and state) don’t like to use words that makes others – especially those they would hope to “lead” – uncomfortable. Long knows his true self, but do you think he could “lead” a congregation of Christians by admiting, “I am attracted to teenage boys.”? and as I said, the black community kinda plays the game by dismissing this disingenous behavior as “being on the down low”. I once met a white, heterosexual, married man who claimed that receiving oral sex from a transvestite was neither “infidelity” or “homosexual”. remember when Bill Clinton looked America in the eye and said; “I did not have sexual relations with that girl…” then, when the infamous blue dress was produced, he claimed he meant “intercourse”.

Man? God?

September 28th, 2010
8:41 am

With his deft handling of expensive cigars/marital aids, just be thankful Clinton wasn’t gay.

I don’t think our country would have survived that. We would have been forced to surrender to Castro.

Oh, we could have had the mother of all domestic enemies!

Doggone/GA

September 28th, 2010
8:41 am

“remember when Bill Clinton looked America in the eye and said; “I did not have sexual relations with that girl…” then, when the infamous blue dress was produced, he claimed he meant “intercourse”.”

I would suggest that if you are going to use examples you get the ENTIRE story about them first to be SURE they illustrate what you think they do. In the case of Bill Clinton he was responding to a list of questions and definitions he agreed to answer and those included a definition of “sex” as intercourse. And BY THAT DEFINITION his statement was true.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 28th, 2010
8:43 am

This is truly sad and I hope nobody takes joy out of this. Some people’s lives were damaged and more is probably still to come.

Jay

September 28th, 2010
8:44 am

That’s not quite right, Doggone. He made that particular statement in public, at a press conference, not in a legal setting or under the conditions you describe.

And by any honest definition, he was lying.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 28th, 2010
8:44 am

Doggone/GA
September 28th, 2010
8:41 am

Classic example of a lib towing the line and failing to accept the truth about the shortcomings of one of their own. I wonder if Hilary agrees that Bill spoke the truth?

Corey

September 28th, 2010
8:45 am

Just when I thought that my black brothers and sisters would place logic above emotions my illusion was shattered Sunday morning by the pittiful display of the blind loyalty by the congregation and their response to Mr. Long’s arrogant and vile display in the pulpit. “I’m David against Goliath and I have five rocks and haven’t thrown one yet!” I wanted to throw up. There was nothing humble in that serpent’s I mean servant’s demeanor nor response.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 28th, 2010
8:45 am

Jay
September 28th, 2010
8:44 am

Harumph, harumph!!

Eric

September 28th, 2010
8:46 am

With all his money and power and hatred of gay people, I just assumed he was a republican. Maybe, like other things in his life, he’s closet republican. If he’s guilty, I hope they take him down.

Doggone/GA

September 28th, 2010
8:46 am

“He made that particular statement in public, at a press conference, not in a legal setting or under the conditions you describe”

All I can say is I heard it reported differently.

Eric

September 28th, 2010
8:48 am

Note to the “The Leg”, you are a Moron! That’s when you’re having one of your lucid days.

Deep Throat

September 28th, 2010
8:48 am

dogone idiot

ty webb

September 28th, 2010
8:49 am

and people hear what they want to hear. rah rah!

Jay

September 28th, 2010
8:50 am

I was watching as he said it, Doggone. And I remember thinking, well, he laid it on the line. If he’s lying, he’s screwed.

I still think he should have resigned.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 28th, 2010
8:50 am

Eric
September 28th, 2010
8:46 am

So full of anger and hatred……….

Doggone/GA

September 28th, 2010
8:50 am

“Classic example of a lib towing the line and failing to accept the truth about the shortcomings of one of their own”

My dear person, I have not “towed” (toed) the line and failed to accept any shortcomings. I was, and am, EXTREMELY disappointed in Bill Clinton and always will be. He cheated on his wife and, at best, tried to mislead the public about what he did. But on the other hand, he was villified and impeached for something that was, and should have been, a private family matter in the absence of any evidence that what he did affected his performance as President.

My sister asked me during all of that if I didn’t think the President should be the moral leader of our country. My answer: no..he’s the President, not our national preacher. As long as his lack of personal morality does not affect his actions as President they are irrelevent. And there is NO evidence that Bill Clinton’s personal immoralities affected his abilities as Presdent.

ty webb

September 28th, 2010
8:51 am

Jay,
resign for the infidelity or for the lying?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 28th, 2010
8:51 am

Jay
September 28th, 2010
8:50 am

I felt the same way, Jay, but I sure didn’t want him removed through impeachment.

Jay

September 28th, 2010
8:52 am

Both, Ty. One compounded the other.

One Eyed Joe

September 28th, 2010
8:52 am

Now I know what is meant by the song ” Pants on the Ground”. So who is the fool?

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 28th, 2010
8:53 am

Doggone/GA are you baiting me? were I Kamchack, I would ask; “what part of oral sex did Bill Clinton not understand”? like Eddie Long, Bill Clinton split a semantic hair to save his own (political) butt. and like Long, do you think the whole Monica Lewinsky affair would have blown over (pun intended) had Clinton said; “I received oral sex, but I didn’t have intercourse with that woman.”? and don’t get me wrong, I have long believed the Clinton’s have an agreement, and I don’t think his extra-martial activity influenced his performance as POTUS. again, contrary to Hillary’s very public claim that her husband was “the victim of a vast right wing conspiracy” – in truth, he was the victim of his own behavior/choices.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 28th, 2010
8:53 am

Doggone/GA
September 28th, 2010
8:50 am

Since you’ve initiated a Spelling Bee, I believe you meant “irrelevant”. Correct?

Doggone/GA

September 28th, 2010
8:54 am

“If he’s lying, he’s screwed”

And I refused to watch it because I thought at the time that even if true he was being thrown to the wolves for something that NO ONE could say affected his abilities as President.

“I still think he should have resigned.”

And I think he should have stood up and admitted what he did up front and then layed down the gauntlet on it. That he was impeached for what was ONLY a personal moral failure is a blot on our nation that cannot be wiped away.

kitty

September 28th, 2010
8:54 am

weather or not the allegations are true this is not something you want to be accused of i believe humans with money and power do things such as this and people don’t believe it because they have such power people stop being so naive look outside the box
when i was young in the church something like this happened to me except there were no young boys instead young girls and when it came out no one believed it so they covered it up since then there has been different rendezvous thats the pastor of this so called church goes on he still does the same thing hiding and creeping his way through life but he is a pastor of a big church i feel deeply sorry for the human beings evolved

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 28th, 2010
8:55 am

Doggone/GA
September 28th, 2010
8:54 am

History lesson – Clinton was impeached for perjury, not sex outside the marriage.

Doggone/GA

September 28th, 2010
8:55 am

“contrary to Hillary’s very public claim that her husband was “the victim of a vast right wing conspiracy” – in truth, he was the victim of his own behavior/choices.”

Again, I suggest you investigate things before you use them as examples. The evidence FOR that conspiracy is vast and overwhelming. But yes, he WAS a victim of his own choices as well.

Granny Godzilla

September 28th, 2010
8:56 am

Old Preacher

September 28th, 2010
8:56 am

Thank you for your excellent opinion in today’s (9/28/10) paper re: “Bishop” Eddie Long has been
idolized too long by his followers. If they search the Scriptures they will see the fallacy of their
religion. We are to “look unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith” and not any mortal here
on earth. For centuries the Roman Catholic Church refused to acknowledge the hundreds of
pedophile priests and others in their religious system. But denying the existence of these perverts
did not change the truth of their wicked activities. Those on praying ground with the Lord above need
to pray for the Long family and the thousands of NBMBC members. Frankly, I doubt if these suits
ever reach the trial stage. Plea bargaining will be the better part of wisdom for the guilty.

As an aside, I had a neighbor who was an engineer with a large electrical firm in PA. He was also
our Assistant Scout Master responsible for the Cub Scouts. Weekly he would lavish gifts, candy,
ice cream, and movie tickets on these young boys. Finally, we learned when he was arrested
that he had molested 39 of these precious children. Needless to say, the parents were enraged.
Yes, a well-respected professional in the community who was a pedophile.

Doggone/GA

September 28th, 2010
8:59 am

“Clinton was impeached for perjury, not sex outside the marriage.”

And found not guilty

TaxPayer

September 28th, 2010
8:59 am

People such as Long, Bakker, et al, just leave me with the impression that, under the best of circumstances, they’re thinking to themselves, Getting caught is a real bummer.

SOUTHERN ATL

September 28th, 2010
9:01 am

Another excellent article Jay!! This is a sad time for ALL that is involved.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 28th, 2010
9:02 am

Well, he’s a preacher and a preacher would never do wrong. I mean, anybody could take pictures of hisself in tight fitting outfits and send them out accidently. And these boys lie just about as much as the Atlanta papers. I figure the Rev. Eddie needed that boy he took to S. America with him to carry all the luggage he needed to take with him. I keep thinking about Rev. Jim Bob Buice and how he got in all that trouble because the cops got the wrong impression when that buck-nekkid boy and Rev. Jim Bob were found together.

So I say to all the poor widow women and other people out there, send the Rev. Eddie a extra 20 in your next offering. He needs your help and besides, you don’t really need three meals a day.

O why do the Heathens rage? Leave the Rev. Eddie alone.

Deep Throat

September 28th, 2010
9:03 am

Jay, I am surprised, you have spoken out against a member , better yet a president of your own party. I also agree with your comment regarding Clinton.

I am looking out into the sky, for pigs may be flying!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 28th, 2010
9:04 am

Doggone/GA
September 28th, 2010
8:59 am

Wrong again (no real surprise, though). The charges were perjury, obstruction of justice, and malfeasance in office, He was impeached by the House and acquitted by the Senate. I’m glad he wasn’t forcibly removed, but to say he was found “not guilty” is ludicrous.

josef nix

September 28th, 2010
9:04 am

The only reason this is “news” is that Bishop Long is a man of the cloth. It would be getting a similar play were he a politician. He and his actions are as common as yard dirt. I have had ample experience with his kind. They are just as likely to be truck drivers, professional atheletes, businessmen, the guy next door, your brother Earl, the news editor…

Whatever the outcome of the case, Bishop Long has already been convicted in the court of public opinion, but not for his crimes, but his profession. And we won’t come anywhere near an forthright discussion of why and how this happened and goes on happening. .

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 28th, 2010
9:05 am

josef nix

September 28th, 2010
9:04 am

Leave my brother Earl out of this. :)

Jay

September 28th, 2010
9:06 am

It’s nothing I didn’t say publicly at the time, Deep.

Doggone/GA

September 28th, 2010
9:06 am

“He was impeached by the House and acquitted by the Senate.”

Congratulations, you are familiar with the Constitutional procedure for Presidential impeachment.

” I’m glad he wasn’t forcibly removed, but to say he was found “not guilty” is ludicrous.”"

He was not removed, BECAUSE he was found not guilty. You DO realize..don’t you?…that “impeachment” ONLY means “charged” – it does not mean GUILTY.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 28th, 2010
9:07 am

I just hope this josef nix wasn’t talking about my buddy Jim Earl.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 28th, 2010
9:09 am

Jay, since we somehow wondered into the whole Clinton/Lewinsky thing, I wonder what your take was on what was truly the catalyst. My take has always been the Supreme Court’s 9-0 decision that a sitting President could stand trial in a Civil Court while in office and holding the opinion that it would not affect his ability to fulfill the obligations of said office. You?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 28th, 2010
9:11 am

Doggone/GA
September 28th, 2010
9:06 am

You can avoid the ALL CAPS posts if you wish. We now you’re always angry.

Civics lesson – “not guilty” and “acquitted” are totally different rulings. Ask one of your fellow liberal brethren if you doubt it.

Tobbie

September 28th, 2010
9:12 am

Stop calling him Bishop…he is no preacher or man of God…I call him Eddie or Mr. Long. People who are truly people of God don’t go around boasting. He allegedly used his position to do things to these young folks. It’s so sad that we are blaming the kids and not the adult. That’s why a lot of kids don’t say anything, because buttheads will use the Bible and relgion to make them feel worse. Then when these kids act out in school, turn to drugs and gangs, and sleep with anybody and anything, we as a black community ask “what’s wrong with them?” Get yall’s fckng head out the Bible, look up and see for yourself what is happening to our kids. Show them love and compassion and stop believing everything you are told by higher figures and do the fcking research for yourself. Don’t believe it ’cause he said so in the pulpit, get to know God for yourself, accept him in your heart, and love unconditonally…then watch the healing begin. Sh*ttt get on my nerve always quoting scripture and not knowing what it really means. Ya’ll so gullible mf’s

Deep Throat

September 28th, 2010
9:12 am

Jay, It’s nothing I didn’t say publicly at the time, Deep

I’m not familiar with what you did or did not say back then, but today you have earned a cardboard cookie!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 28th, 2010
9:12 am

Oops, typing too fast. Should have been “know” not “now”. My bad.

josef nix

September 28th, 2010
9:13 am

My not-so-sincere apologies to the Earls of the world :-)

Bobble-Head

September 28th, 2010
9:13 am

Seems the folks that we look up to are just as human as the ones we look down on. That could be a good thing to be reminded of from time to time.

Jay

September 28th, 2010
9:14 am

Well Leg, I think you could list several important turning points, including the one you mention, which turned out to be tragically naive.

But the main turning point was Pizza Night at the White House.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 28th, 2010
9:14 am

Doggone/GA, do I have to send YOU to the kids’ table? I am not so ignorant as to suggest that once elected, Clinton did not have a HUGE “kick me” sign on his back, which was placed by “the right”. my point was, with regard to the Monica Lewisnky allegations, Hillary Clinton went on national TV (I believe it was with Katie Couric on the Today Show) and dismissed the allegations as “a vast right wing conspiracy.” again, they were not talking about the 1993 WTC attack, the bombing of the USS Cole, Whitewater, Vincent Foster’s death or the seige at Waco (all right wing hot buttons), they were talking about allegations of an extra-martial affair with a White House intern. if anything, there was a small, left-wing conspiracy to ‘disinform’ Americans about the nature of the “scandal”. and again, guys cheat on wives and wives cheat on husbands all the time. perjury or not, I don’t think Clinton violated his oath of office. what happens in the Oval Office stays in the Oval Office as far as I am concerned (the Situation Room is another matter).

Royal Workman

September 28th, 2010
9:15 am

watch out for the name terry beckham in this case

chancefavors

September 28th, 2010
9:17 am

That was an awesome read. One of the best articles that I’ve read, on any subject, in a very long time. Thank you for sharing your insight, wisdom, and knowledge.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 28th, 2010
9:17 am

Jay
September 28th, 2010
9:14 am

Ha! Good one.

When I heard the SC’s 9-0 decision I thought, uh oh, we’ve opened Pandora’s box.

Paul

September 28th, 2010
9:17 am

As I said before, it’s a tragedy no matter which way it turns out.

Reminds me of the case involving Jeff Smith, Methodist minister, PBS cooking show The Frugal Gourmet. Allegations were made against him, first one young man, then several others. Settled out of court – and the cloud remains over everyone (he passed on several years ago).

ty webb

“But…but… I thought it was only those mean ole Mormons that preached against the gays.”

You do realize that by using a group as a foil to make a joke, you’re in some ways strengthening bias against that group?

As with any group, there are multifaceted examples. People can latch on to any one example to support their position. As an example, that’s the church whose leadership was against Prop 8 (same-sex marriage) in Calif, yet who gave their support to a lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender employment antidiscrimination ordinance, which was passed unanimously by the Salt Lake City city council.

Pennsylvanian

September 28th, 2010
9:18 am

I am shocked, SHOCKED I say, that Jay isn’t writing about the commission finding that the Obama administration’s response to the oil spill was ‘botched’.

Bosch

September 28th, 2010
9:19 am

“In rallying so strongly to Long, the church is in effect turning its back on other members of its family who may have been victims of an awful betrayal”

Same could be said for the middle class in this country — we are all citizens but we in essence are turning our backs on most of the “family” to benefit the few.

Stuart L.

September 28th, 2010
9:21 am

I am so tired of the liberal media and its knot-head followers reveling in the slimy things they put out and call it news. Society has dipped so low that they will not respond to anything unossip anless it involves gd the tragedy of someone’s life. this story, as many others, has destroyed lives and reputations before the first shred of real evidence is ever presented in a courtroom. The media makes it impossible to ever think you can recieve a fair trial in this country anymore. Whether or not this is true, Bishop Long has been crucified by the media and all the jerks who are willing to judge him blindly just as they say his congregation is to support him. This is just as irresponsible as destroying a teacher’s reputation and livlihood because a student is upset for getting a bad grade, which probably their fault, so they say the teacher abused them. Everybody jumps on the accusation before the first fact is known. Her we have four individuals with very questionable pasts, criminal histories, and former friends with charcter knowledge revealing they know this is all about the money. Yet, we are ready to crucify Bishop Long without the first shred of evidence being presented. All of you who are so quick to judge, when the time comes for you to face God, will be just like those who were left banging on the door of Noah’s ark; you will be swallowed up by the floods of the lake of fire. I would be interested in what kind od of skeletons are in your closets, as quick as you are to throw rocks at someone else. Look at your own lives before you try to cast shadows on someone else.

Saphian

September 28th, 2010
9:22 am

Well Georgia I’m presently surprised that you see this as the rest of the country, I applaud you all not many would speak out against this man but It seems we all get the picture hear,,,,,,,,,,,,I think some people want status so bad that they’ll look over anything……… I was shocked about the Long scandal but when I saw and heard him I knew what was really going on……and I think it’s a damn shame these poor kids will be screwed up the rest of their lives the reason I know is because I’m a surving victim and I’m screwed up.

Paul

September 28th, 2010
9:22 am

kitty 8:54

My understanding is, the scars from those experiences take a long time to heal and it’s best to have the help of professionals. Many nonprofit groups offer assistance.

ty webb

September 28th, 2010
9:23 am

Gennifer Flowers- 3 cigars out of 5
Monica Lewinsky- 1.5 cigars out of 5
Paula Jones- -1 cigars out of 5

If Clinton deserved impeachment, it was due to horrible judgement.

Bosch

September 28th, 2010
9:25 am

Survey: Atheists, agnostics know most about religion

A new survey of Americans’ knowledge of religion found that atheists, agnostics, Jews and Mormons outperformed Protestants and Roman Catholics in answering questions about major religions, while many respondents could not correctly give the most basic tenets of their own faiths

No surprise there.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 28th, 2010
9:25 am

ty webb
September 28th, 2010
9:23 am

So how would you rate Jones after the implants, nose job, and makeover? Still -1 cigar?

The Boner's Tan Line

September 28th, 2010
9:27 am

Poor Bishop. The Boner feels for him. The Boner is going through some tough times also, and he sends his best wishes to the Bishop.

The Boner cannot for the life of him understand why people are dissing his Plague on America. They call it “just more of the same”, “a word for word from his previous plan”, a re-hashed plan from years ago”, and “look what a mess that got us in, we don’t need anymore of it”.

The Boner asks, What do you people want from me? You expect me to come up with an actual workable plan? I’m doing the best I can. I’m trying to stop three women from killing me, and keep my tan at the same time. Geez, people, quit your moaning and groaning!

The Boner is in a very bad mood today.

I wouldn’t cross him if I were you.

Sad Day

September 28th, 2010
9:27 am

ty webb

September 28th, 2010
9:29 am

leg lamp,
much improved, I did happen to see the photos of her in a “gentleman’s” magazine shortly after her enhancements. Not bad. Clinton would probably have liked to take a mulligan.

Bobble-Head

September 28th, 2010
9:29 am

If the Clintons had kept their noses out of the Nixon impeachment, then they would not have made enemies that were bent on bringing them down and then the Republicans that have been brought down since the Clinton impeachment might have been saved from their public embarrassments and on and on. Back and forth. Up and down. It gets repetitive after a while. If only some heads would roll.

larry

September 28th, 2010
9:30 am

I used to go to a baptist church on a regular basis, sung in the choir, got baptized, etc. etc. Then, about 25 years ago , i started hearing about preachers abusing children . One such case involved a very close friend of mine whos dad was a preacher abusing teenagers. When he was found guilty , she was so upset , she was in the hospital for week. That opened my eyes and i started hearing about abuse more and more. I stopped going to church. I can say that, although i miss it somewhat, i am happier.

Granny Godzilla

September 28th, 2010
9:31 am

U-Big-Dummy

September 28th, 2010
9:32 am

I am not surprised or disappointed with Eddie Long’s response, but the congregation’s response is sickening. Must you NB members always check your common sense at the door.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 28th, 2010
9:32 am

Stuart L. the very fact that you cite the Bible (Noah’s ark, and crucifiction – Eddie Long is still alive, so he hasn’t been “crucified”) doesn’t really help your case. but to each his own, if you want to get your news/information/values from the Biblical media (Christianity, the Bible). this is just another example of how some people will attach (Biblical) language in order to defend indefensible behavior. as I said, nothing new, politicians (and lawyers) do it all the time. why should Christians be different?

Doggone/GA

September 28th, 2010
9:32 am

“You can avoid the ALL CAPS posts if you wish”

GET OVER IT

Bosch

September 28th, 2010
9:33 am

Hi Mrs. G! How’s the Baby Lizard?

stands for decibels

September 28th, 2010
9:34 am

The only reason this is “news” is that Bishop Long is a man of the cloth. It would be getting a similar play were he a politician.

agreed, however I do not think it wise to distinguish so much between preachers and politicians. To my mind (and it’s not a knock against anyone) preachers are politicians. And so are CEOs and other leaders of publicly viewable institutions.

/nitpicker

Pennsylvanian

September 28th, 2010
9:34 am

“Some 715,000 people now reside in the U.S. that DHS refuses to deport. In one year, unenforced deportation orders have climbed 28 percent. And the numbers keep climbing.”
AJC Sept 28, 2010

How’s that Hope and Change working for you?