New Birth’s mission: Pursue truth about Bishop Long

Maybe it’s just an ugly scam.

Maybe it’s a well-coordinated, fairly sophisticated conspiracy among several young men to shake down Bishop Eddie Long, a successful, revered leader who has built New Birth Missionary Baptist Church into a powerhouse of Christian service.

Sad as that would be, it would certainly be the better outcome. Because if the opposite proves true and the allegations against Long are valid, the tragedy deepens.

Lawsuits filed this week by three young men who entered Long’s orbit as mere boys allege truly troubling predatory behavior on the part not just of Long but of those close to him. In short, they claim that Long prostituted the faith he preached and the resources of the church he led in order to satisfy his sexual urges with those who had almost no defense against him.

The allegations include claims that Long, an outspoken critic of gay rights and gay marriage, participated in “covenant ceremonies” in which he and young male parishioners exchanged vows of commitment.

Through his attorney, the bishop strenuously denies all such charges. However, radio interviews and a news conference scheduled for Thursday were canceled, and Long apparently will not address the issue until Sunday, before his New Birth congregation.

In the meantime, Long’s attorney has described the lawsuits as an attack not just on the pastor but on New Birth and its 25,000-member congregation. Church members no doubt feel that way as well, and most have rallied to defend their leader.

If the charges prove false, New Birth is indeed a victim of injustice almost as great as that perpetrated against Long. But if the charges are correct, then New Birth served as an accomplice, witting or unwitting, in a gross betrayal of faith.

Under the circumstances, it’s possible that the truth about the alleged seductions can be established one way or the other relatively quickly. The lawsuits include multiple details of travel and gifts that can be verified or discredited. They cite witnesses who will be legally obligated to testify honestly in court to what they saw or risk charges of perjury. Photos of Long taken by the bishop in his bathroom mirror and allegedly e-mailed to the young men have already been leaked, and other material might be forthcoming.

If the truth is not established fairly soon, however, church elders should launch an independent probe of the allegations. That would be difficult for an institution such as New Birth, which bears Long’s strong and charismatic imprint. But people should never be afraid to seek the truth, especially in a situation like this.

As we all know — as Long himself has no doubt preached — none of us is immune to temptation. We also know that it is human instinct to look up to leaders, both secular and religious, in the belief that they are less vulnerable to the weaknesses that dog all of us.

The danger is that by elevating leaders in our eyes, we elevate them in their own eyes as well. To satisfy our own need to believe in someone better and stronger than we are, we turn mortals into demi-gods and then marvel when they start to act accordingly. Even on the truly humble and well-intentioned, unquestioned faith and confidence can over time have a corrosive effect.

As a young pastor in the ’60s, the late Earl Paulk had been one of the few Atlanta-area white clergy to support Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. in his civil rights struggle. His leadership skills helped build Chapel Hill Harvester Church into an institution with national influence, politically and spiritually.

Then came his fall. Beginning in the ’90s, Paulk was hit by repeated charges of sexual coercion much like those now facing Long, devastating a congregation that believed in him.

Heros often fail us, but betrayal by a religious leader is probably felt more intensely than any other. Yeah, Mel Gibson turned out to be a jerk, but really, who cares? Yes, President Clinton tarnished his office and legacy, but most people didn’t feel that betrayal personally. With a religious leader the betrayal is intimate, in some ways as deeply felt as betrayal by a spouse or parent.

But just a year ago, speaking at Paulk’s funeral, Long himself took the opportunity to remind mourners that even leaders are not granted perfection.

“We did not, in case you didn’t know, fall down out of heaven,” Long said. “We were taken from among men so we could minister to men.”

527 comments Add your comment

dougmo2

September 24th, 2010
7:22 am

ByteMe

September 24th, 2010
7:37 am

The pictures these young men have of Long in spandex muscle shirts in bathrooms is certainly hard to explain, n’est ce pas?

NJBeliever

September 24th, 2010
7:45 am

What cannot be debated in all of this scandal is that Long does NOT teach or preach Biblical Christianity. He teaches a false gospel based on worldly merchandise, material wealth and “kingdom power:” NONE of these things are taught in the Bible.

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 6:19-20 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

We are not to focus on worldly, material gain. That does not mean that we shouldn’t own anything. It means it should not be our focus and we certainly cannot use the Bible to justify our quest for it.

The man is a false prophet and I urge Christians to pray for his repentance or for justice to be served in this matter (we don’t know all the facts), but that they reject his FALSE doctrine. He is not a preacher of The Word of God. Please use discernment! God bless.

bonnybroome

September 24th, 2010
7:49 am

the tragedy here is not that someone “fell into temptation” (if the allegations are true) but the deep
and hurtful hypocrisy, and the continued linkage between homosexuality and sin. If Mr. Long committed
any sins, they are adultery, coercion, sexual harassment and perhaps a few others. Homosexuality is not a sin. Any more than heterosexuality.

Paul

September 24th, 2010
7:54 am

Anybody can accuse anyone of anything. Even if the charges prove false, the slate will never be truly wiped clean, as some will always wonder if there really was fire to go along with the smoke.

I understand that those who levy false charges are also generally immune from consequences.

I have to wonder if we don’t see a milder version of this played out every day. “Person A disagrees with Person B. Person A announces Person B is a (fill in your pejorative) racist, fascist, socialist, whatever. It’s always easier to label someone or something, put them in a box and not think too much.

Either way situations like this turn out, it’s a tragedy.

carla christiano

September 24th, 2010
7:55 am

Eddie Long is my absolute favorite tv preacher. This will continue. The world can have their small victory, but i know what will last forever…it’s called mercy. Love you Bishop, hang in there.

Tampa-times

September 24th, 2010
7:55 am

Amen, to NJ Believer, but we cannot sit in judgement, “lest we be taken in a fault” Indeed we ought to pray for God’s will to be done.

Granny Godzilla

September 24th, 2010
8:00 am

I had never heard of Bishop Long until this story broke.

Breaks my heart when stuff like this happens…..

carla christiano

September 24th, 2010
8:00 am

andygrd

September 24th, 2010
8:00 am

We are not perfect and people fail. If the allegations are true, then he should be stripped of all power and required to perform services to the church at no charge. But I doubt that will happen…. He will say he has sinned and the people will forgive him and he will continue on his corrupt ways, if the allegations are true.
By the way, the Democrats are now the “Party of Gutless”. They were going to put a boot on the throats of Republicans and they did when they had the power, but now with the midterms, its “lets not do anything to make the voters madder”.. As in …..WASHINGTON — Senate Democratic leaders decided Thursday to delay a vote on preserving soon-to-expire middle class tax cuts until after congressional elections in November.
President Barack Obama has made extending the cuts a priority, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid tried to forge a consensus among fellow Democrats to pass a bill before voters choose their congressmen and senators on Nov. 2.
But Reid, a Democrat from Nevada, decided to delay any vote after a meeting with other Senate Democrats failed to produce an agreement on how to proceed.
They can’t decide on taxes, but they had time to push DADT and Dream Act….. “Political Priorities”…. Picking on the Dems here, but the Repubs are just as bad……….

Dennis

September 24th, 2010
8:03 am

Enter your comments here

Erica Rogers

September 24th, 2010
8:03 am

wELL SAID CARLA. HE IS MY FAV AS WELL.

carlosgvv

September 24th, 2010
8:03 am

I do not know if the charges against Bishop Long are true or not. What I do know is what history, both distant and recent, teaches about religion. Religion is just a disguise for some people to exercise dominance and control over others. Religion harbors many “preachers” whose real delight in life is tormenting the faithful with stories of hellfire while delighting in seeing fear on their faces, especially the children. These sadists have a free hand to torment their flock in the name of God. Having grown up in this environment, I can tell you it leaves scars that never heal.

JimmyZATL

September 24th, 2010
8:04 am

Longs office was broken Ito in June in which his iPhone annular was stolen. I keep pictures like these on mine too, and if stolen crazy claims could be made…. We need email account records from the ISP because these photos alone prove nothing but a potential extortion attempt.

Longfellow Institute of Religious Hypocrisy

September 24th, 2010
8:06 am

All aboard for the masculine journey….

Dennis

September 24th, 2010
8:08 am

You are absolutely correct when you say sodomy is not a sin. It is an abomination in the sight of a Holy God. Even the act of sodomy between heterosexuals is an abomination because it is unclean and un-nature. We were fearfully and wonderfully created in the image of God. There it is my friend.

Doggone/GA

September 24th, 2010
8:10 am

“We were fearfully and wonderfully created in the image of God. There it is my friend.”

Since God is not recorded as having a wife…how do you know God ISN’T homosexual?

Champ

September 24th, 2010
8:10 am

Enter your comments here

Gale

September 24th, 2010
8:11 am

The world seems tilted when a preacher has so much materially that he becomes an extortion target, if this is indeed extortion. However, with evidence of so many clergy pedophiles in other religions, I do not find it strange to hear of it in the Baptist church. I suspect the charges are not simple extortion. I would believe blackmail before this public accusation if that were the case.

carla christiano

September 24th, 2010
8:12 am

This completely broke my heart too :’( and i went all emo on my husband when i saw the news on tv. But i can’t forget how it felt for the past four years without any spiritual direction. I may not share the same views about homosexuality that most preachers profess, but when i was down, and couldn’t hear the voice of God, I’d see Bishop Long on tv and instantly hear God’s voice through that man saying that God wasn’t through with me, and it kept me alive to get where i needed to be in my heart. So Bishop, right back at you…this is going to suck, worse than anything has ever sucked in the entire history of all that has sucked before, but you’ll get through it, and you will keep preaching to people like me.

cluv

September 24th, 2010
8:12 am

This is not the first incident and will certainly not be the last…Just praying that GOD will see us through…

joe matarotz

September 24th, 2010
8:17 am

I’m sure that Bishop Long will explain that his accumulation of wealth is all on behalf of the Lord, and that as soon as he can figure out how to get the Lord’s piece of the action to Him, he will be happy to cut the Lord in.

Varghese

September 24th, 2010
8:17 am

The ministries that stress on new life through Christ attract always troubled people – drug users, people having sexual problems, mental problems. The preachers’ intention is to help these troubled people but it ends up as a problem to him. Unless these troubled people get rehabilitated, it can effect who is serving them. Eddie Long should not have taken these young people in a trip.

God uses people. But it is our responsibility to be honest to that calling and finish the race successfully. How many of us have fallen? When someone like Eddie falls, that gets a lot of media attention. We all have to look at our own lives.

morais

September 24th, 2010
8:18 am

This is just another plot to tear another black leader down, just like they done to Marcus Garvey, Martin Luther King , Malcolm X , Bob Marley, 2pac, Biggy, Michael Jackson , and many many more even Jesus Christ. Bishop this is your cross, DO NOT BACK DOWN.

godless heathen

September 24th, 2010
8:18 am

“I keep pictures like these on mine too, and if stolen crazy claims could be made…”

Well here’s your sign.

Another TV preacher that has gotten wealthy preying on the ignorance of the flock. He has to know that he’s practicing deception, and maybe his deception works in other venues as well.

Whatever. If he committed crimes, I hope he goes to prison. Otherwise just Tax the crap out of the SOB and all those like him.

jm

September 24th, 2010
8:21 am

Erring on the side of “guilty until proven innocent”: this guy’s a dirtbag for one reason or another.

Case closed.

Hopefully we can resume discussion of more nationally, internationally, or even locally significant issues….

blurp

September 24th, 2010
8:21 am

I was driving home early Sunday morning through Bakersfield
Listening to gospel music on the colored radio station
And the preacher said,

I was drivin’ home early Sunday morning through Bakersfield
Listenin’ to gospel music on the colored radio station
And the preacher said, “You know, you always have the Lord by your side.”
And I was so pleased to be informed of this
That I ran twenty red lights in his honor.
Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Lord.
I had an arrangement to meet a girl
And I was kinda late.
And I thought, by the time I got there,
She’d be off – She’d be off with the nearest truck-driver she could find.
Much to my surprise, there she was, sittin’ in the corner -
A little bleary – worse for wear and tear -
She was the girl with far-away eyes.
So if you’re down on your luck, and you can’t harmonize,
Find a girl with far-away eyes.
And if you’re downright disgusted , and life ain’t worth a dang,
Get a girl with far-away eyes.
Well…
Well the preacher kept right on sayin’ that all I had to do
Was to send ten dollars to the Church of the Sacred Bleedin’ Heart of Jesus
Located somewhere in Los Angeles, California,
And next week, they’d say my prayer on the radio
And all my dreams’d come true.
So I did.
And next week, I got a prayer for the girl
W- well, you know what kinda eyes she gots.
So if you’re down on your luck, I know you oughtta sympathize.
Find a girl with far-away eyes.
And if you’re downright disgusted , and life ain’t worth a dang,
Get a girl with far-away eyes.
So if you’re down on your luck, I know you oughtta sympathize.
Get a girl with far-away eyes.

Gale

September 24th, 2010
8:23 am

I wonder if anymore accusers will come forward now that a public accusation has been made. A congregation of 25000 is powerful peer pressure.

John Kerry

September 24th, 2010
8:26 am

Time will tell what his Book of Revelations holds. Just let justice be Swift.

jt

September 24th, 2010
8:27 am

“Heros often fail us,”

Ronald Reagan never did.

Nor Stonewall Jackson.

Ron Paul will not either.

The Truth

September 24th, 2010
8:27 am

Eddie Long is a great businessman. He created a cash cow called New Birth Missionary Baptist Church. You get what you pay for, I hope his followers are happy. How can a man who took pictures of himself in skin tight clothes in a bathroom, have any credibilty in a pulpit?

JT

September 24th, 2010
8:33 am

It amazes me that some people can’t fathom that Bishop E. Long would engage in such behavior. This man is human just like the rest of us and we ALL fall short at some time or another. HE IS HUMAN too.
The mounting body of evidence is damning and all signs are pointing to GUILTY!
The most interesting thing about this whole “scandal” is that no one (the public) has heard from this guy. I mean, with a congregation of over 25,000 he has support and if he was truly innocent, why isn’t he trying to clear his name and allow these two young men to tear down this FINANCIAL EMPIRE that he has so diligently built. Now, that makes absolutely no sense! ATL (where I live) is full of media outlets for him to deliver his message(s).
Damn, maybe I should go to New Birth on Sunday to see what is going to be said… Hmph!

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 24th, 2010
8:33 am

JB, if you’re dialing one in on Friday, bully for you. at this point, this is a story about a civil lawsuit. to my knowledge there have been no criminal charges filed. who cares? this is between Bishop Long and the fools who “follow” him. it’s got 1st Amendment (separation of church and state). you should be opining about the governor’s race, running with your observations about the weak-kneed Demcrats, etc. at the very least, you might use this case to illustrated the silliness that is relgion in general and American Christianity in particular. regardless, this is a “private” sector issue.

Larry

September 24th, 2010
8:35 am

God help us all. It’s a terrible allegation and I pray it never turns to be a true fact. We’ll be praying and to NJ Believer, God’s Word does talk about Kingdom Power (First Corinthians 4:20). I hope you read this.

marvin

September 24th, 2010
8:37 am

Jesus’ Daddy Joseph was gay as a two dollar bill, that’s how we know for sure it was a immaculate conception or deception….

Dennis

September 24th, 2010
8:38 am

God is not a man… that he should lie nor the son of man that He should repent. His Eternal Son the Lord Jesus Christ became a Man to present Himself to God the Father for sin. His death, burial and resurrection and ascension and the response to the gospel, which is the ‘call’ of God unto eternal life is “Repent of sin’ and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Except ye repent ye will perish!

Bosch

September 24th, 2010
8:40 am

“Either way situations like this turn out, it’s a tragedy”

That’s about all there is to say about this.

Voters will be Voters

September 24th, 2010
8:40 am

Stonewall Jackson did fail us. He stood like a Stonewall when he should have been ATTACKING! First Bull Run. Google “Bee, Bartow and Evans” and study some history afore you revise it. Since when is a stone wall usefull in an attack?

ANd tha’s a fact, jack

ty webb

September 24th, 2010
8:41 am

Me thinks many on here who have written things critical of christianity might be the same ones so offended with “burn a koran day”. Come on people, let’s be brave. “walk the walk” so to speak, and draw a mohammed cartoon.

Gale

September 24th, 2010
8:43 am

Oh I can understand why the guy is staying quiet about the issue. He fully expects a court case with a jury of his peers to find him not guilty.

JohnnyReb

September 24th, 2010
8:43 am

It’s disappointing that of the posts thus far I see no one concerned of the young men. Either Long is guilty and has emotionally scared the young men forever, or Long is innocent and other adults have scared the young men for life, just in a different way.

Relentless Aaron

September 24th, 2010
8:43 am

this is crisp. the photos did it for me tho, alongside all the other evidence (evidence which I believe, thanks to their attorney).
I want to see this shake out and I want to see him fall HARD. This is the worst kind of crime. The worst, whether one uses his movie fame, music fame, political power or spiritual faith. Dead wrong.

Doggone/GA

September 24th, 2010
8:44 am

“Me thinks many on here who have written things critical of christianity”

Being critical of CHRISTIANS is not the same thing as being critcal of CHRISTIANITY

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 24th, 2010
8:44 am

excuse the cut n paste, but: “Under the circumstances, it’s possible that the truth about the alleged seductions can be established one way or the other relatively quickly…” you ever been party to a civil lawsuit? “testify honestly”? “subject to perjury”? either the allegations are true, or they are a fabrication; do you think a person who lies under oath when filing a lawsuit is likely to “testify honestly” in court? I am not a lawyer, but I have retained more than one. if such (non-testimony) evidence exists, Long and his lawyers are aware of it, and the case will be settled, Long will go on Oprah and do his best Jimmy Swaggart. some of his flock will leave, others will remain loyal (perhaps even his accusers). I fail to see how the formation of any Warren Commission or 9/11 Committee is going to reveal anything beyond what is contained in the lawsuit. as I said, such salacious, scandalous stories make for good Friday copy, but seriously, this is about as newsworthy as Real Housewives of Atlanta.

AmVet

September 24th, 2010
8:44 am

So Bill O and John Stewart are palling around now?

Either it is for ratings or perhaps both are just finally fed up with feeding into this contrived animus…

BTW, jt, love your sarcasm…

Ronald Reagan never did. (fail us)

WillyTee

September 24th, 2010
8:45 am

This is truly a sad story. What we must not forget about Eddie Long is his contributions to the lives of Christians and non-Christians everywhere. Yes, he has preached ignorance, but he has done so much more!!! Regardless of his fallings, he is a gifted messenger of God, and I hope he makes it through this. Nonetheless, I also hope that he doesn’t leave this situation unscathed. This has taught us all an important lesson: As much hatred as we direct at another group, we cannot “undo” who we are. God wants us to love ourselves the way that he made us, and he hates it when we do the complete opposite.

Bosch

September 24th, 2010
8:46 am

Reb,

I agree — don’t faint. :-)

If the conversation was about the business of religion, I’d be much more inclined to tune in to comment.

ty webb

September 24th, 2010
8:46 am

DOGGONE,
go back and read posts, or better yet, does “American Christianity” refer to christianity or christians…nice try though.

Mainy

September 24th, 2010
8:46 am

I am not a member of Long’s church but a Bibile believing Christian nonetheless. NJBeliever… be careful about speaking things which you know little or nothing. I highly doubt you can prove Eddie Long is a false prophet as I’ve never heard him profess to be a prophet and unless you have proof of a a prophecy that he’s made that has been disproven you have no right to slander him. You say it can not be debated that he teaches “false gospel”.. but that obviously is untrue because I’m debating it right now. In fact I’m refuting it! Don’t know where you get you’re info from but to me your claims are baseless and wrong,
Bonny Broome… if you believe in and love God… I encourage you to study His Word… .and you will find as Dennis pointed out that homosexuallity is indeed an abomination in God’s sight. It is ungodly and not what God intended regarding sexual relations… just like adultery, promiscuity and beastiality. If you think homosexuallity is ok in God’s eyes you are fooling yourself. Seek the truth and you will find. Not everything that feels good/right is. The devil is a liar.

judge

September 24th, 2010
8:47 am

Rumor has it he will use the bearing witness defense….

jackie

September 24th, 2010
8:47 am

PUT ON LOVE YES U HAVE 2 PUT IT ON SAY SOMETHING GOOD ABOUT SOMEONE 2 DAY

Interesting Observation

September 24th, 2010
8:47 am

Tampa-Times, when you say, “We ougt to pray that God’s will be done,” are you not saying dictate to God that he/she/it does the right thing? Why you Christians never question what you say. You continually say you give God all the honor, glory; and he has all the power, but you Christians are constantly dictating to God via prayer. I use to be a firm believer who was at church evertime the doors flew open and worshipped fervently. Until I started questioning and researching I did not realize how blind, gullible and enslaved I was. Have a nice day.

Voters will be Voters

September 24th, 2010
8:47 am

Religion is the opiate of the masses? No, but it is a handy scoundrel-refuge for the ages. Born Again Birthers, anyone? Dont you all miss Bush’s arbitrary and self-serving Christian Crusade platform where he managed to tie-in patriotism with bigotry?

and a boy king shall lead them….

But let’s all doubt Obama’s private, personal journey of worship.

The Truth

September 24th, 2010
8:48 am

Ty Webb “burn a Koran” is not brave it’s stupid. This is American. Remember the lesson on religious freedom in the sixth grade. What this hell does that have to do with Eddie Long?

barking frog

September 24th, 2010
8:49 am

The Bishop may have been trying to be a participatory
Pope instead of just a conspiratorial Pope. Or he may
have been reading the Koran or about Muhammed and
his Child Bride. I’m surprised he didn’t have twelve.

Doggone/GA

September 24th, 2010
8:49 am

“go back and read posts, or better yet, does “American Christianity” refer to christianity or christians”

I don’t call labeling a religion “silly” to be an ATTACK on that religion, though overly sensitive people might. But that would be just as silly.

@@

September 24th, 2010
8:51 am

Unfortunate, but I’ll wait for the outcome of the investigations before even speculating whether Bishop Long may or may not be guilty.

The danger is that by elevating leaders in our eyes, we elevate them in their own eyes as well. To satisfy our own need to believe in someone better and stronger than we are, we turn mortals into demi-gods and then marvel when they start to act accordingly.

We’ve been assigned five separate ministers at my church in the years I’ve attended. Not one of them evolved into a demi-god as long as I was around. I’m not a troublemaker, mind you, it’s just that four of them were men, and well….

The only one who left mad was a woman. Not because of anything I said. My personal opinion? She was a bit overly sensitive. Cried a lot when her methods were questioned.

Nice Guy

September 24th, 2010
8:51 am

Good aritcle Jay. The unfortunate part is that if all this turns out to be false, there is only a small portion of the damage that can be repaired.

JohnnyReb

September 24th, 2010
8:52 am

Bosch – I already have your comment framed and on the wall!

Regards. I am bowing out of this one.

@@

September 24th, 2010
8:52 am

Oh, and we’ve exercised term limits when it comes to our ministers.

Noodles

September 24th, 2010
8:52 am

You church folks amaze me!! So quick to condemn those living in the “world” and those with fault. But let one of your own do something immoral/illegal, and you want want to pray them up, forgive and act like it never happened. Your hypocrisy is amazing!!

midge

September 24th, 2010
8:52 am

“LongFellows Youth Academy”
“Masculine Journey”

Eddie Long-Dong, was recruiting young men to satisfy his sexual appetite in the name of the Lord.

ty webb

September 24th, 2010
8:53 am

the truth,
I wasn’t defending “burn a koran” day. I too think it’s stupid. I also wasn’t defending christianity. reread my post, maybe the point will find you, wherever the hell that is.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 24th, 2010
8:54 am

Marx was wrong. religion is not the opiate of the masses, it is the opiate of the masturbators. it is a delusional fantasy, in which people indulge for the purpose of self-gratification (or flagelation, if double-entendres are your thing).

Jay

September 24th, 2010
8:54 am

willieb, I look around today’s America, and I’m sorry, your “poor downtrodden white man” schtick just doesn’t match up with reality.

jt

September 24th, 2010
8:55 am

V will be V’s————

I don’t need to to Google sh&t Goober.

You try standing amidst a hail storm of bullets, shrapnel, and blue-bellied devils. Your yellow trail would follow you to the rear.

As a leader, he led by EXAMPLE…………And he was aware of realistic expectations.

Something we have been missing since the Feds took control.

ty webb

September 24th, 2010
8:55 am

doggone,
when did I use the word “attack”. Come on, reading…it’s fundamental.

daveinatl

September 24th, 2010
8:55 am

Ah, the tumultuous relationship of religion and homosexuality. Religion, Christianity in this case, has perpetuated a hideous lie that homosexuality is a chosen perversion rather than a natural anomaly. The dichotomy of the success of our civilization and the ignorance about homosexuality is remarkable and sad. This speaks volumes about mankind’s willingness to blindly follow an outlandish doctrine while almost knowingly hammering common sense out of their head with a hammer. This bigotry is exploited every hour of every day by the leaches on the face of the ignorant. Three of the most disgusting examples of scum suckers are politicians, christianists and the media. Not all but many in these professions exploit the public’s stupidity and trust for monetary and personal gain. So, here we are with it all wrapped up in one big turd still warm from being delivered from the mouth of a lawyer. We are all worked up in a quiet frenzy salivating at the sight of this delicious morsel of homosexual perversion coupled with religion, power and greed. Maybe this makes the effort to villainize homosexuality worth it? Such a delicious delectable feast of naughty entertainment. Yes! Or maybe this makes our bigotry about homosexuality really sad?

mystified

September 24th, 2010
8:55 am

Wow…. Jay… Best written article I have read from you…. Great Job…

I sure hope none of it’s true… I met the man and liked him.

One of the best things I heard about Billy Graham was his insistence on having an accountability partner present with him at all times. Someone who’s main job was to watch over him and make sure he didn’t give in to temptation and didn’t find himself in compromising situations. He knew the pressure he was under and the damage it would cause if he failed.

Jay

September 24th, 2010
8:56 am

and JohnnyReb, you can post this one next to Bosch’s. Well done.

carlosgvv

September 24th, 2010
8:57 am

There is no possible way to prove or disprove the existence of God or Gods. So, why are so many of you saying God does this and God does that?
Should you not at least wait for scientific conformation of God’s existence first? Or, have you never learned the difference between faith and fact?

carla christiano

September 24th, 2010
8:59 am

Bishop Long is a New York Times Bestselling Author and has his own money…why does everyone still believe that all preachers steal from the church funds? They write their own books so they’ll have their OWN money…stupid steriotypes people.

Adrian in Dallas

September 24th, 2010
8:59 am

Another hypocrite bites the dust. He blew (pun intended) an opportunity to be a Christ-like figure who accepts all and loves all. Instead, he chose to be a bigot, a liar, an opportunist, a scam artist and a pedophile (mark my words!). When oh when will folks stop falling on bended knee to an imaginary sky daddy and those who always turn out to be his evil minions on earth?

Don't Forget

September 24th, 2010
8:59 am

I’ve never trusted a preacher who gets rich off his/her flock.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 24th, 2010
9:00 am

hey everyone, look at me; I’m pious, I’m saved, I’m going to heaven! hey, look at me; I’m feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, healing the sick! hey, look at me, I got nailed to a cross to save all men! hey, look at me, I killed 3000 people I do not know so I can have sex with virgins! I haven’t done the forensic accounting, but I did see an ajc blurb about one of Long’s “ministries” (in the corporate world, I guess it would be a subsidiary of Eddie Long, Inc.). apparently, he drew over $3 million in salary and benefits as “head” of the ministry. fair enough, ‘cept he doesn’t pay taxes on the income, AND the ministry itself didn’t even dole out $3 million to its beneficiaries. so, you can add; hey everyone, look at me; I’m rich and don’t pay taxes! here’s a Mulligan for the neo-cons; in this case, I do admit to “wealth envy” but not because of the $3 million, but because to the factt hat he doesn’t pay taxes.

Wisdom747

September 24th, 2010
9:00 am

ANYONE can fall. That’s exactly why we are facing these circumstances today because people put their faith in man and not God. I too have watched Bishop preach and I must say he is a dynamic speaker and I believe he is Anointed by God, but that does not keep him from falling. David was the apple of God’s eye, but if you don’t know his story…read it. Yes he fell with Bathsheba and he had Bathsheba’s husband killed. This was a man that loved God and God LOVED David! But…he FELL
I am praying that Bishop has not fallen, but I’m not denying the fact that it can and may have happened. This Spirit is willing but the Flesh is WEAK! Bishop and every other man of God has no monopoly on this temptation. If the devil tempted Jesus, do you not know that he will temp man as well.
Let’s not be judgmental on either side, because someone here is the Victim, and frankly God is the one who knows the TRUTH! My prayers are for both!

John Kerry

September 24th, 2010
9:01 am

He’s not even running for office. By the by, if these young lads win a monetary settlement, is it taxable income?

Mainy

September 24th, 2010
9:01 am

Carlosgvv… you’ve obviously never felt the presence of God. Cause my God is real…. I feel Him in my soul. Look around you… .all this beauty on Earth is not an accident. Seek and you shall find.

Note:
To quote 2Pac.. “Only God can judge me”…. or you… or Eddie Long. So I suggest everyone stop judging (especially since no one knows all the facts).. lest we be judged. And trust me…. the day will come. Believe it or not… receive it or not.

Doggone/GA

September 24th, 2010
9:02 am

“So quick to condemn those living in the “world” and those with fault. But let one of your own do something immoral/illegal, and you want want to pray them up, forgive and act like it never happened”

I have a problem with that too. Personally, I have no opinion on it – because I don’t have all the facts.

ty webb

September 24th, 2010
9:03 am

“I’ve never trusted a preacher who gets rich off his/her flock.”

here here! Paging Mr . Gore…Paging Mr. Gore.

mystified

September 24th, 2010
9:03 am

It’s absolutely amazing to me how so many of you like to call someone a bigot because of their likes or dislikes of peoples actions but fail to see your dislike of that person and lack of agreement with their believes as the very same thing…………

jconservative

September 24th, 2010
9:04 am

Interesting column Bookman.

But even more interesting are the comments from your readers.

Religion is a personal issue, whether you have a lot or none, it is personal.

I tend to agree with paleo-neo-Carlinist at 8:44 am – this is really not newsworthy. But people do love a good scandal. And this is a good scandal by any measure. There will be other Bookman columns on this and
both paleo-neo-Carlinist & I will probably comment.

But as far as the truth coming out in the trial, if it gets that far,
I doubt it. My experience in civil trials is that both sides lie and the “truth” rarely comes out.

Dennis

September 24th, 2010
9:07 am

Romans 1:19-20

barking frog

September 24th, 2010
9:07 am

Burke’s “All that is necessary for evil to triumph
is for good men to do nothing” applies to
religion as well as politics.

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September 24th, 2010
9:08 am

John Kerry

September 24th, 2010
9:08 am

Court settlements and lottery winnings should also be taxed at 15%. It is only fair.

Glenn Beck

September 24th, 2010
9:09 am

Diddling young boys or not,

Bishop Long is still a democrat.

My gut says he’s guilty.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 24th, 2010
9:10 am

mainy, unless there is a pre-trial settlement, the Superior Court of GA – Dekalb County is gonna “judge” Mr. Long.

Adrian in Dallas

September 24th, 2010
9:12 am

For those of you who haven’t seen the “Bishop’s” bathroom photos, which were taken for his various boyfriends, head over to: http://yourblackgossip.blogspot.com/

That’s http://YourBlackGossip.blogspot DOT com

Interesting to hear he’s apparently taking cues from Catholic priests when it comes to boy rape.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 24th, 2010
9:14 am

@@, and I suppose ministers must not engage in sexual activity with members of their congregation; especially minor males. people who have real jobs and legit incomes fudge when it comes to taxes. Catholic priest take a vow of poverty (and chasity). ever see “Ghostbusters”? this is like Venkman’s approach to dating clients; “it’s more of a guideline than a rule”.

Mitch Thomas

September 24th, 2010
9:14 am

Carla,

Do you know how much money you make from selling a book? Zilch. Being a best selling author means nothing unless you have written a series of books and can go on tour. With that all said, how can he provide ministry to his people if the man is touring constantly? Bottom line, we all know the truth. The pictures should be enough to shut people down and his church and trustees to asked him to step down. They can go ahead and push this case, but it is going to get ugly. Why would you have a young man on your payroll without a job description? Why did you buy a young man a car? Why did he have another young man driving his Bentley. Why would you travel around the country in check into a hotel under an assume name Dick Tracey Long? He is not a pop, rock, or any major celebrity star. He is suppose to be a man of intergrity. Why would a man of integrity have to hide is indentity. What Bishop Long better hope is that the Feds and other states begin don’t investigate these claims and discovered he was having sex with a minor. Yes, he was shrewd and methodical in knowing he could have sex with a sixteen year old in Georgia and not be held accountable, but I don’t think this is true in all other states. He can continue with the game and use the churches money to fight, but these young men went out and got the best attorney to fight their case. This attorney is very forthright and will not go away.

Doggone/GA

September 24th, 2010
9:16 am

“For those of you who haven’t seen the “Bishop’s” bathroom photos, which were taken for his various boyfriends”

Those pictures don’t prove anything…except, maybe, that he has a streak of vanity.

Jamie

September 24th, 2010
9:17 am

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James - One whose name means Overthrower

September 24th, 2010
9:17 am

I have reached a point in spiritual journey where nothing shocks/excites me except The Amazing Grace and the Power of Gods Word in Action.
Everyone reaps a harvest, and the difference is in the fruits.
Quit complaining, murmuring, grambling…and leave judgement to the throne of the most high…the eternal Judge.
We Look unto Jesus, the finisher of our faith…..unless of course you’ve been focusing on your Pastor and now feel shot down.
This too shall pass But the Kingdom of God is Eternal.

DebbieDoRight

September 24th, 2010
9:19 am

morais – no one is trying to “tear a black man down”; the people making the accusations ARE black men themselves. it’s not a black/white thing it’s a “hypocrisy” thing.

carlosgov: What I do know is what history, both distant and recent, teaches about religion. Religion is just a disguise for some people to exercise dominance and control over others. Religion harbors many “preachers” whose real delight in life is tormenting the faithful with stories of hellfire while delighting in seeing fear on their faces, especially the children.

Amen.

Doggone/GA

September 24th, 2010
9:20 am

“and leave judgement to the throne of the most high”

I leave it to God to judge the PERSON, but as a member of society I also understand that for the good of all we are required to judge their actions when they are detrimental to others.

SCKNTRD

September 24th, 2010
9:20 am

Everyone wants to talk about how Bishop Eddie Long should not take pictures in spandex in the PRIVACY OF HIS OWN HOME! WITH HIS OWN PHONE! Why not? He is an advocate for Health and Wellness! He works out! He is HUMAN!!! I honestly dont know if its true or not but I am totally against judging the situation off allegations alone. I do however want to know how these grown boys allowed someone to “touch them Inappropriately”? They dont look slow to me! They look like they have enough sense to know that another grown MAN shouldnt be doing certain things with them!

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September 24th, 2010
9:20 am

paleo:

I was simply pointing out that ministers DO pay taxes. If he or anyone else fudges on their taxes, it’s up to the IRS to catch ‘em.

Just admit it….you were wrong about ministers not paying taxes.

As to the other topics you wanna discuss. I’m not interested.

Jamie

September 24th, 2010
9:20 am

SAY IT AGAIN, NOODLES:
“You church folks amaze me!! So quick to condemn those living in the “world” and those with fault. But let one of your own do something immoral/illegal, and you want want to pray them up, forgive and act like it never happened. Your hypocrisy is amazing!!”

Not all church folks are like that, Noodles, but sadly, too many are!

ty webb

September 24th, 2010
9:20 am

the thing will be settled out of court…we’ll never know the “truth”… the only thing we can hope for is a Jim Bakker/Jimmy Swaggart moment.