‘cuz the devil knows your weakness, son!

One night, years ago, I wandered into this little jazz club in Seattle, and up on the stage at the end of the darkened room was this chunky little blind white girl, all by herself, playin’ piano and singing.

And she was just ROCKIN’ it!!

I turned to this guy standing at the doorway and gave him a “What the hell is THIS!?!?” look. He looked back at me, grinned and shook his head. He didn’t know what the hell it was either, except that it was damn good.

That girl, it turned out, was a young Dianne Schuur. Here she is doing one of my favorite songs, about Satan’s temptation of one “Reverend Lee.” The choice seems appropriate, given one of the week’s top story lines.

484 comments Add your comment

jm

September 24th, 2010
3:50 pm

jm

September 24th, 2010
3:51 pm

Cuz he makes Congress look as stupid as they are…

AmVet

September 24th, 2010
3:58 pm

Nice funky starter this afternoon, Jay.

Something decidedly more upbeat…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nu6XznDP3s

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 24th, 2010
4:03 pm

Jay, are you saying “Reverend Lee” = “Bishop Eddie Long”?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

September 24th, 2010
4:05 pm

AmVet
September 24th, 2010
3:58 pm

Giving my best “bandstand” impersonation…..I’ll give it an 85. It’s got a great beat and is easy to dance to.

Aquagirl

September 24th, 2010
4:12 pm

….And a 4th lawsuit has been filed on the bigot masquerading as a bishop. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy. I’m sure he’ll play that congregation like a fiddle Sunday, those people will swear he’s innocent even if there’s overwhelming evidence. Ah, religion, clogging the brains of humans since 10,000 B.C.

getalife

September 24th, 2010
4:13 pm

“Christine O’Donnell Says She’d Stop The Whole Country From Having Sex”, HP

A whole lot of Rosie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCyJzI-6kc

AmVet

September 24th, 2010
4:14 pm

Preacher man, don´t tell me, heaven is under the earth,
I know you don´t know what life is really worth …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuMlHdxiIZ8

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
4:18 pm

jewcowboy

In case you check in and want to know if any of us old f*rts know anything from this millenium…
This one jumped out and caught my undivided attention…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8FHwsATN0E

Hillbilly

was reading over the comments on this and your grandparents’….thought of this one…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRxCDOQfkw4

Mick

September 24th, 2010
4:18 pm

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
4:24 pm

aquagirl

This is Friday night at Jay’s place…save the sermons for Sunday…give us a music post if you’ve got a bone to gnaw on, let somebody else sing your song….okay?

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
4:27 pm

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
4:31 pm

course the devil’s already been to the oval office…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5J6dvMDvQA

AmVet

September 24th, 2010
4:33 pm

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
4:36 pm

AmVet

A MOT tune for ya in reference to our exchange last p.m. bear with the poor quality of the visuals, but given when this was recorded, well…just seems appropriate…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiXdnxYFJZg

N-GA

September 24th, 2010
4:36 pm

Loved it….add some brass!

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
4:38 pm

some musings from Andre’s true better half….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjDugDPHqTg

@@

September 24th, 2010
4:42 pm

Very unique voice. Is she sightless, jay?

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
4:42 pm

@@

September 24th, 2010
4:43 pm

do it to me, do it to me, do it to me, do it to me, do it to me, do it to me, do it to me.

Another question. Is she a rabbit?

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
4:43 pm

@@
There’ sight and there’s insight….

@@

September 24th, 2010
4:47 pm

I know that, josef. Just curious is all.

I could assume, but I’d rather know the facts.

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
4:52 pm

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
4:57 pm

@@

Sorry, I should have put an ISH with that one!

SWAT Native

September 24th, 2010
4:58 pm

Wow, Jay! Are you old enough to have seen Diane Shuur as a little girl in a club? Did you see her at the Jazz Festival this summer?

md

September 24th, 2010
4:58 pm

@@ – I know it’s hard, but sometimes you just have to read everything in Jay’s post – there in lies the answer.

@@

September 24th, 2010
4:59 pm

O.K., before the music fest gets into full swing, I just wanted to clarify something. When Colbert’s testimony was mentioned earlier, I was thinking Keith Olbermann. I always get those two mixed up.

Colbert’s schtick certainly didin’t help the dem’s cause. They don’t have time to act on the the Bush tax cuts, but they’ve got time to entertain themselves with Colbert’s farse of a testimony.

That ain’t good.

Proceed.

@@

September 24th, 2010
5:03 pm

md:

there in lies the answer.

Oops! I didn’t “see the blind” reference.

Schnirt

Not sure why he had to mention her chunkiness though. Supporting Michelle’s campaign against obesity maybe?

Georgia Borned and Raised

September 24th, 2010
5:12 pm

Just one little oversight with your selection, Jay. I think you needed a male singer.

BADA BING

September 24th, 2010
5:17 pm

Looks likes Eddie Long got caught playing “Hide da Bishop”. Did anyone else notice all the newcomers today on the post about Bishop Long? They were all supporting him, and I felt it strange that so many new people were on today. My guess is that Long’s handlers had his minions out on line, on the radio, and TV doing damage control. Just seemed a little too contrived to me.

Bubba Bob

September 24th, 2010
5:17 pm

Aquagirl,

If you believe in evolution then you should blame evolution for evolving us to the point having religion. It’s not our fault. It’s obviously selected for some reason.

You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

BADA BING

September 24th, 2010
5:19 pm

So she is blind and fat? I bet she’s got a great personality tho. Right?

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
5:23 pm

josef

Thanks for the Mary Chapin Carpenter. It was a perfect fit, I remember Grandma saying, “Daddy held me up to the window and pointed it out to me.” :-)

This one is for all our carpetbagger and scalawags friends from the previous thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzGx_XzxDeM

Soames

September 24th, 2010
5:27 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKqZZg2U6t4

I have always loved this guy and this song in particular….named my first born after him.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
5:33 pm

FrankLeeDarling

September 24th, 2010
5:33 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
5:37 pm

AmVet

September 24th, 2010
5:37 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
5:40 pm

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
5:42 pm

Hillbilly

This is mine for our Carpetbag-Scalawag friends…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfdQ1sXfG7o

Read about you in a Faulkner novel
Met you once in a Williams play
Heard about you in a country love song…

How many can make the crossover with no jolt from Faulkner and Williams to a country love song and identify completely with both? When they can, and some can, I do stop and listen…

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
5:45 pm

Soames

Good, you’re here…caught your feeling homesick post the other night. Here’s to you! Durant?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWEJPqJtZsk

FrankLeeDarling

September 24th, 2010
5:46 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
5:46 pm

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 24th, 2010
5:49 pm

What is it with these sicko homosexual freak people, masquerading as a “preacher” so that they can molest little boys.

Y’all liberals need some serious freaking help.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
5:53 pm

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
5:55 pm

IR/YW

You and aquagirl need to get together…two peas in a pod…

Hillbilly

That @ 5:46 YO!!!

Growing up in Jackson there was a flop house downtown that had a big neon sign that flashed “Jesus Saves.” On the stairwell there was another sign that said, “Rooms Upstairs!”

stands for decibels

September 24th, 2010
5:56 pm

What is it with these sicko homosexual freak people, masquerading as a “preacher” so that they can molest little boys.

But, enough about Glenn Beck.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 24th, 2010
5:58 pm

Second is the rise of women as a force. They “are the drivers in this election cycle,” Ms. Blackburn says. “Something is going on.” At tea-party events the past 18 months, she started to notice “60% of the crowd is women.” She tells of a political rally that drew thousands in Nashville, at the State Capitol plaza. She had brought her year-old grandson. When the mic was handed to her she was holding him. “I said, ‘How many of you are grandmothers?’ The hands! That was the moment I realized that the majority of the people at the political events now are women. I saw this in town halls in ‘09—it was women showing up at my listening events, it was women talking about health care.”

They don’t like little sick freakos either.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
5:59 pm

josef

I was never much of a fan of Pam Tillis, until I saw her live. She’s quite good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8FBFLMOrnw

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
6:01 pm

Hillbilly
@ 5:53

Makes me want to put my dancing shoes on and go looking for the girl in the orange shorts…

carlosgvv

September 24th, 2010
6:02 pm

Will a time ever come in this country when the preachers and priests won’t be caught with their pants down?

stands for decibels

September 24th, 2010
6:02 pm

I heard Roberta Flack doing that same tune (”Rev. Lee”) way long ago, but can’t find a linkee…

RW-(the original)

September 24th, 2010
6:03 pm

Jackie,

If you drop by that link you left me downstairs proves my point and disproves yours. Good job!

To recap, you claimed that children were being dropped from existing policies and I told you that wasn’t true. Companies were just going to stop offering children only policies.

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
6:08 pm

Hillbilly
@ 5:59

Thanks a million! I had heard the song, but had never seen this video. Amazing. Unmentionable says to tell you, “yeah that’s what I’m talking about!”

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
6:10 pm

carlos
@ 6:02

Them, politicians and assorted others who make it their business to tell us how we ought to live…I have known some good preachers and priests…I’ve never known a good politician….

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 24th, 2010
6:13 pm

“On November 3 . . . there will be in Washington, D.C., a Democratic majority in the House and a Democratic majority in the Senate.”–Vice President Biden, quoted by WhoRunsGov.com, Sept. 23

Yeah, genius, why don’t we check again in January, geez what a mouthbreather.

Scout

September 24th, 2010
6:14 pm

Del:

Get your platoon over to Tucker’s thread most ricky-tick.

We got two Marines pinned down over there by a regiment of liberals.

Soothsayer

September 24th, 2010
6:15 pm

Amvet: That’s my favorite “Dead” song!

Scout

September 24th, 2010
6:15 pm

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 24th, 2010
6:17 pm

“Congress Changes Intellectual Disability Wording”

OK, so obozo is an individual with an intellectual disability and not a little tard, I regress.

For now.

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
6:23 pm

Speaking of….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs4y5si8DGs

“Preacher man talkin’ on the TV,
He’s a-puttin’ down the rock ‘n’ roll.
He wants me to send a donation,’Cos he’s worried about my soul.
He said: “Jesus walked on the water,”And I know that is true,
But sometimes I think that preacher man,
Would like to do a little walkin’, too.”

Soothsayer

September 24th, 2010
6:24 pm

Scout: give it a rest, dog! It’s Friday night already!

Pogo

September 24th, 2010
6:25 pm

Bishop will continue to take advantage of the black community and he will have their support because the black community only believes that there is only one evil in this world and that is white people. It is a strange thing. The blacks refuse to critisize one of their own race even when that person is clearly a predator and abuser of them. It is almost as if the blacks are willing to be taken advantage by their own race as long as they think that they are sticking it to white people. It is a relationship akin to that of the Democrat party and the blacks of America. One party knows that it can screw the other over again and again and the that the victim party won’t do anything about it because they perceive a greater evil and in this case it is white people. Look at Obama’s and Holders refusal to investigate and prosecute the New Black Panther voter intimidation case. Obama is nothing but a puppet of his own ideology but he pretty much speaks for most blacks in America (thus their continued 95% approval rating of him). Everyone should read the Manchurin President. It is quite scary. First and foremost he is a communist/marxist and it started when he was 11 years old in a “Church” in Hawaii supported and attended by his terrorist buddy, Bill Ayers. Obama uses racism (blacks against whites”) only to further his socialist views. He doesn’t really care about anything or anyone other than his own socialist anti-American ideology. It is in his blood.

Soothsayer

September 24th, 2010
6:26 pm

BADA BING

September 24th, 2010
6:34 pm

Hey everybody, send me your email address and I will send you some pix of me in my muscle shirts. It is OK, I don’t mean anything by it. Honest.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
6:36 pm

josef @ 6:23

” a poor girl wants to marry, a rich girl wants to flirt; a rich man goes to college and a poor man goes to work”

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
6:39 pm

BADA BING

September 24th, 2010
6:42 pm

Hey girls, come for a ride with me in my Bentley, and I will buy you some clothes. It’s Ok, I don’t expect anything in return. You can trust me. Really.

Soothsayer

September 24th, 2010
6:50 pm

Gosh! Where’d everybody go?

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
6:55 pm

sooth

Things tend to slpw down a little around 7:00 and then pick back up…hoping Bruno makes it in tonight..

stands for decibels

September 24th, 2010
7:00 pm

Don’t know if any of you folks listen to the public radio show about rock & roll and suchlike, Sound Opinions, but their topic this week sounds intriguing…

After every successful debut comes the dreaded “Sophomore Slump.” This week Jim and Greg highlight artists that managed to defeat this streak and release a “Sophomore Success”.

anyway, the podcast isn’t posted yet so I have no idea of which artists they’re going to highlight. I’m trying to think of second albums that were actually decided improvement over the debut, and for some reason I’m kinda stuck.

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
7:08 pm

stands for decibels

September 24th, 2010
7:15 pm

j-nix, good sophomore pick.

I was thinking With the Beatles, while not necessarily more earth-shaking than their debut, is among those 60s lads’ most enjoyable.

(Of course most Americans heard it as “Meet the Beatles,” a rather different album.)

stands for decibels

September 24th, 2010
7:16 pm

Brett, why not take the political crap over to Cynthia’s where Scout and his shower buddies are playing? yer harshin’ my buzz, man.

stands for decibels

September 24th, 2010
7:17 pm

now I gots to run myself. Later… maybe.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
7:20 pm

The Boner's Tan Line

September 24th, 2010
7:24 pm

This one goes out to the Boner. Maybe it’ll make him feel better. Debbie, Chrissy and Lizzie, how about you gals taking it easy on him. The Boner just can’t help himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN-4lX0QyZc

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
7:29 pm

josef nix

September 24th, 2010
7:32 pm

Tan Line
@ 7:24

:-)

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
7:34 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
7:40 pm

For those who can’t let it go on Friday Night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMAv1n8ieWE

jt

September 24th, 2010
7:52 pm

RW-(the original)

September 24th, 2010
7:55 pm

Sufficiently Breathless was a damn fine second album.

Roberta Flack

September 24th, 2010
7:55 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
8:08 pm

This guy has reinvented himself again. Amazing voice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQFWUHBbpqs

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
8:14 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
8:26 pm

@@

September 24th, 2010
8:28 pm

I know this is music night n’ all, but does Eddie Long take steroids? I mean the man is 57 years old!!!!

Just kidding….kind of.

Kamchak

September 24th, 2010
8:30 pm

@@

September 24th, 2010
8:55 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
9:16 pm

Scout

September 24th, 2010
9:17 pm

Soothsayer :

You NEVER let down !

“I will walk my post in a military manner keeping always on the alert and observing everything which takes place within my sight or hearing …………. sir.”

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 24th, 2010
9:30 pm

Mick

September 24th, 2010
9:33 pm

HD

Saw that the other night on letterman – strong vocals, cool number-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_WymRKkFHg

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 24th, 2010
9:37 pm

Well, that poor Preacher Long. Another one’s decided to kiss and tell. You can’t hardly trust nobody nowadays.

It just goes to show the truth of what Daddy told me before I left for the Army. He said, “Son”—he always called me Son—”don’t never mess around with the hired help.” Anyhow, I don’t need to worry about it down at the warehouse. All the women that work in the office look like the Pillsbury doughboy.

I hope the Rev. Long comes out on Sunday and says, “Yup, I done it. I sinned against thee, Lord.” Then everybody can send in a double donation and everything will be OK.

Anyhow, I think we need to take up a offering to pay for fixing all these gays. It can be reversed for the right price. It would be kind of nice to see all the gay men and the gay women on this blog dating each other.

Have a good night everybody.

@@

September 24th, 2010
9:40 pm

Jack

September 24th, 2010
9:42 pm

I’m just a little bit surprised at the “hell” and “damn”. Reckon I’d better loosen up some.

Mick

September 24th, 2010
9:46 pm

It's for real...

September 24th, 2010
10:22 pm

Palin took aim at critics who said Palin had no business supporting Handel, a woman she didn’t know personally. “Yes it is true that I live outside the perimeter, okay? Way outside,” Palin joked.

Palin praised Handel’s accomplishments, having come from a broken home and becoming Fulton County Commission chairwoman and later, Georgia’s Secretary of State. “She made something of herself because she didn’t blame her circumstances. She worked hard to get where she is today,” Palin said of Handel.

“Some say that I endorsed Karen just because she’s a woman. Now that is just so stupid. It’s just so passe,” Palin told the crowd. “We’re endorsing her because she’s the best candidate for Georgia.”

Say ‘no’ to King Roy, no to Deal Real Incompetent!

Write in Karen Handel.

RW-(the original)

September 24th, 2010
10:31 pm

Apparently I’m going to have to cart this post around for every time the Barnesbots try to get you to go the write in route.

~~~~~~~~

September 7th was the last day a candidate could file as a write in candidate in Georgia and votes for anyone that hasn’t filed for that status won’t have votes for them counted.

If you write in Karen Handel you are literally throwing your vote away. I’ve seen dozens of suggestions for doing just that and I suspect the vast majority of those suggestions are coming from Barnes supporters. Jay B would be well advised to remove comments suggesting that option and to alert his readers to the ramifications of such a write in vote.

RW-(the original)

September 24th, 2010
10:33 pm

Mick

September 24th, 2010
10:48 pm

rw

That was one crazy and way ahead of his times performance. I always thought that song was by deep purple. Alice cooper must have been inspired-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQptxygSM8&feature=related

popeye

September 24th, 2010
10:55 pm

Dianne Schuur, absolutely phenominal. My personal favorite by her would be “The Very Thought of you”.

Another Seattle girl…Nothing like the pacific northwest!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w70-1b9SCj0

Mick

September 24th, 2010
11:25 pm

I’m definately not going out on a
bloodrock tune; great hardly ever played beatle song…nite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUjV9sQbdDk

RW-(the original)

September 25th, 2010
12:23 am

I thought for sure the Crazy World of Arthur Brown would ignite page 2, but I had no idea it would render everyone homeless

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 25th, 2010
7:01 am

Front page blaring headline-

Nathan Deal’s campaign for governor has paid a company in which the Republican nominee is a part owner more than $135,000 to lease aircraft — many times more than any other candidate for governor in this campaign cycle. -Urinal

So the Urinal/AJC wants him to stiff the other owners?

The Atlanta Journal Constitution is a bought and paid for political propaganda organization staffed by white house hacks and stooges, stories like this make that fact rather obvious, question, is this^^ a violation of Campaign Finance Disclosure Rules?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 25th, 2010
7:09 am

NEW YORK — Iran would consider ending uranium enrichment, the most crucial part of its controversial nuclear activities, if world powers send Tehran nuclear fuel for a medical research reactor, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told reporters Friday. -Urinal

Oh yeah, a “medical research reactor.”

In other words, the ragheads ain’t having any luck spinning up their evil brew and need obozo to send them some good stuff so they can load it up and flame Israel.

And the AJC tries to hurry things along.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 25th, 2010
7:13 am

At the close of the hearing, Colbert dropped his TV persona and turned serious. “Right now migrant workers suffer and have no rights,” Colbert said. -Urinal

Yeah, so why don’t they go back to Mexico then and get away from the evil United States, clown?

BADA BING

September 25th, 2010
7:22 am

Mexican workers suffer and have no rights in the US. The same deal they get in their own country.

Rightwing Troll

September 25th, 2010
7:35 am

I figured the Deal story was a no-story… With all that campaign cash floating around, an ethically challenged man like Deal can “take care” of those debts, if only those pesky reporters would stop digging…

Colbert is freaking hilarious… so is the United farm Workers “Take Our Jobs… Please” campaign.. lets see if some fat lazy entitled Americans can put down thier texting phones long enough to pick a few Tomatos…

Dave R.

September 25th, 2010
8:06 am

Completely off topic, but extremely telling:

Sen. John Kerry D-Gigolo, in an interview with the Boston Herald yesterday, finally admitted he figured out why Hope & Change got elected:

“We have an electorate that doesn’t always pay that much attention to what’s going on so people are influenced by a simple slogan rather than the facts or the truth or what’s happening,” Kerry told reporters after touring the Boston Medical Center yesterday.

Finally, a Democrat that can admit the truth!

(Actually, he was picking on the Tea Party, but don’t you know THIS quote is going to come back and haunt him in the next election?) :)

carlosgvv

September 25th, 2010
8:14 am

Josef Nix

A priest of preacher can seem to be good, but you never know.
How about Sam Nunn? I thought he was the only good politician in Washington.
v

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2010
8:26 am

So, Nathan’s News reveals even more unethical Deals. Who would ever thought. Then again, he is a Republican. And what was that little blurb from Phil Gingry and his denied request to add “bipartisanship” to that rehash of the GOP’s Contract on Americans.

jt

September 25th, 2010
8:36 am

A couple of monthes back, the LAST REMAINING SARDINE CANNERY in AMERICA shuttered it’s doors. You cannot get an AMERICAN-canned sardine.

(Sarc on)

I am so sure that this had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it. It was cheap chinese labor and greedy rich people.

Here is some more Federal” Public Servants ” at work————————–

“Almost every one of the 172 law enforcement officers of The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA’s) Fisheries Service has a take-home vehicle, sort of but not exactly a perk. The cars are not part of the job description; they are a derived benefit, bought and paid for by the monies gathered by punishing fishermen. ”

Does NOAA’s OLE (Office of Law Enforcement) policy allow take-home cars? Not exactly. To be precise, there is no policy. Does NOAA’s OLE policy permit the purchase of vehicles outright? No; policy is to lease or rent. How then were they allowed to buy some 200 cars ($4.6M)? Lack of adult supervision.

The people we count on to protect our industry, preserve our environment, and manage our fisheries cannot even manage themselves.

Backup is provided in a scathing July 2010 Inspector General (IG) report on the NOAA law enforcement Asset Forfeiture Fund (AFF), made up of the money realized by fines and forfeitures from fishermen. From January 2005 through June 2009, the AFF received some $96M, spent $49M, and had a balance of $8.4M. My arithmetic suggests $40M is missing. The IG’s report describes NOAA’s management of the AFF as an “abstract concept” and as “susceptible to both error and abuse.” You think?

Still, the IG found several anecdotes sufficiently credible to include in his January report. Watch the linked video of a fisherman testifying before a Congressional subcommittee. This is sworn testimony, much stronger than a simple anecdote. Early in the tape the fisherman tells of being grilled on his personal finances. As the tape goes on the fisherman describes being fined some $27K and being threatened – coerced – with an increase to $125K if he insisted on going before the NOAA administrative judge. Further into his testimony, the fisherman relates an incident when he and one of his captains were offered full relief from a fine – extortion – if they would drop a dime on another target of the OLE.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/noaas_law_enforcement_behaving.html

How much more are we gonna take?

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
9:07 am

carlos

I’m no real fan of Sam Nunn, myself. His stands on gay things alienated me. I do think he fit the John Stennis mold of the Southern gentleman politician, all right and, as you said of preachers and priests, they can appear to be good. Mr. Nunn did have the good graces to exit the stage when he could no longer play the game with what was his version of a clear conscience.as we descended into this partisan bickering spiral. I do think he possessed something of a moral compass, but the same as the rest, he was not above forgetting that when it was in his best interest to do so, playing footsie with the money boys.

As for men and women of the cloth, the good ones I have known have seldom been connected with the institutional and theological heirarchies, but workers in the field.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
9:10 am

jt

Loved that Hank III post last p.m. !!!

Hillbilly…
Thanks for the Tom Jones one…still listening to cuts from that CD!

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2010
9:21 am

As some cynics had expected for 20 years, the State Road and Tollway Authority, led by Gov. Sonny Perdue, voted Friday to continue the Ga. 400 tolls until 2020. The vote flies in the face of promises made during the planning of the road that the tolls would come down once the bonds that paid to build it were repaid in 2011.

The toll will stay at 50 cents. Under the new terms, it will run for 10 years from Friday’s vote, SRTA attorney Chris Tomlinson said.

In order to satisfy the original promise that the tolls would come down in 2011, Perdue said, SRTA will see if it can suspend the tolls briefly in 2011. When they resume, he said, they would be a “new” toll.

Wow! Them Republicans sure is good at keeping promises. At least it’s not a tax. It’s a toll.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
9:31 am

Sonny is keeping the 400 toll going and King Roy took money from it for Atlantic Station. Six of one, half-dozen of the other.

Nathan Deal is a crook but don’t you reckon he was a crook back when he was a Democrat, too?

larry

September 25th, 2010
9:33 am

And just think, Taxpayer, next year we will have toll lanes on I-85. Right there in place of the HOV lanes.

I-85 was paid for with our taxes
the HOV lanes were built with our tax money
and now the toll lane is being built with our tax money
And then we will pay to use it.

You can thank your local Republican for that. They are going to toll us to death.

Normal

September 25th, 2010
9:48 am

Mornin’ y’al…don’t do no stinkin’ politics, but I want to give the “Other” side a shout out…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN69GC2amTg

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
9:55 am

hillbilly

“Nathan Deal is a crook but don’t you reckon he was a crook back when he was a Democrat, too?”

Yep. The GOP just offered him a better deal.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
10:06 am

josef

Back when Ed Jenkins retired, this was still an all Democrat area, so Deal was a Democrat. When the winds shifted, he switched to a Republican. What politician isn’t an opportunist? :lol:

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2010
10:06 am

You can thank your local Republican for that. They are going to toll us to death.

It’s better than being taxed to death though, I think. Then again, a toll’s just like car insurance. You don’t have to buy it unless you want to get the benefits associated with it and that is in no way, shape or form even remotely like health insurance either. By the way, [Sarc]. Just in case.

Kamchak

September 25th, 2010
10:07 am

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2010
10:13 am

Sonny used to be a Democrat too. Then again, how many Georgia Republicans are not former Democrats. Actually, I think “Dixiecrat” is likely more technically correct. And Phil Gramm, the stepfather of the unregulated derivative (its true father was Enron and Phil was just given the written word to bring down from the mountain and claim as his own), was a Democrat that graduated from UGA.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
10:20 am

K’chak
@ 10:07

Was always a big fan of the Patti Smith version, but have to admit, I think I like this one even better,

And for the elitists politicians of the day…think about it. Also note the “minor” changes in the original lyrics here for the time and place…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW-sJqO5qDM&feature=related

Hillbilly

That’s the way the game is played and we delude ourselves if we think any differently…been that way ever since we came down out of the trees…

Jay

September 25th, 2010
10:21 am

jt, you’re talking nonsense.

The American sardine industry disappeared because A. Americans don’t eat many sardines, and B., U.S. stocks of sardines had been overfished so that they’re no longer profitable.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2010-04-14-last-sardines_N.htm

But your ploy, and that of the writer at American Thinker, is all too familiar. Even though it is perfectly clear that market forces killed the U.S. sardine industry, you attempt to blame it on government, which had nothing to do with it whatsoever and in fact may have — through better management of fishing stocks — artificially extended its lifespan.

Now let’s deal with the “victims” in your little morality tale. The fishermen in question broke the law. They took more fish than they were legally entitled to take, which ruins the fishing industry for everyone. And when they get caught taking what doesn’t belong to them, it’s government’s fault? When someone robs a bank or steals a car, is that government’s fault too?

You prefer to see the entire world through one prism: If something goes wrong, government caused it. Facts are ignored, distorted or invented, as needed, to support that narrative.

Kamchak

September 25th, 2010
10:27 am

josef

It’s actually a Springsteen song, and Roy Bittan’s piano work on this particular song is unmatched by any other’s.

Natalie, however, is much easier on the eyes.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
10:29 am

Well, lookie who’s here! And a cheery top o’the mornin’ to ye…

” And when they get caught taking what doesn’t belong to them, it’s government’s fault?”

Unmentionable says it certainly ain’t in the case when it’s the government doing it! :-)

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
10:30 am

K’chak

Did not know it was a Springsteen cut! And I’m only belatedly beginning to appreciate 10,000 maniacs…

Meet The Depressed

September 25th, 2010
10:30 am

‘You prefer to see the entire world through one prism: If something goes wrong, government caused it.”

That’s interesting Jay. For the past nearly 4 years with Democrats running Congress and nearly two years running the White house, all this time I thought it was Bush that caused things to go wrong. Oh wait, Bush WAS government.

Bosch

September 25th, 2010
10:34 am

Hi josef! Was wondering where you were, or maybe you were posting when I wasn’t on. About Nunn, we’ve had this conversation before, but I feel that at the time, Nunn did the best that could be done with DADT. As with most things, a dramatic change doesn’t go over well with a majority of the country, and in the context of the time, I feel he did alot. But there is no reason for DADT now as we’ve evolved as a country to more acceptance. There is no reason for it now.

Glad to see you back!

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
10:38 am

BOSCH

We’ve been on different schedules the last week or so…been having to check out a little early to keep up with the little bitty ones!

I can understand your point of view about evolution and all that, but I’ve already spent a lifetime waiting for the breeders to catch up! :-)

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
10:39 am

Actually, I think “Dixiecrat” is likely more technically correct.

The Dixiecrat Party lasted part of one year in 1948. So it really has nothing to do with anything. Georgia was solidly Democratic for well over 100 years. That can’t be denied; it was the national party that changed, not the Georgia party. And by the way, in 1948, Georgia went for Truman, the Democrat.

Fruit Salad

September 25th, 2010
10:42 am

And Jay thought jt was stretching the yarn tight enough to play a tune on it:

For the past nearly 4 years with Democrats running Congress and nearly two years running the White house, all this time I thought it was Bush that caused things to go wrong. Oh wait, Bush WAS government.

On a side note, I would have gone for “Meet DePress”… unless you are simply depressed, of course.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
10:44 am

hillbilly

And as I like to remind people, it was the minions of Uncle Sam’s Oldest colony who were the only ones to vote for Al Smith, the first (gasp!) Catholic to run for the office of President…seems like they were a generation or so ahead of the occupation there…

Besides, I thought we buried the last Dixiecrat with Robert Byrd… :-)

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2010
10:47 am

The Dixiecrat Party lasted part of one year in 1948. So it really has nothing to do with anything.

My condolences to them and their beliefs for dying off in one year like that. Come to think of it, didn’t the Republican party get started about the time that them Dixiecrats broke up and some went back to the Democrats.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
10:50 am

didn’t the Republican party get started about the time that them Dixiecrats broke up

No. It dates to the 1850’s.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2010
10:52 am

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
10:56 am

Dixiecrats? Election of 1960? Hmmm…the SECOND Catholic to run for President…who’s that feller in green?

http://www.historycentral.com/elections/1960state.html

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
10:58 am

hillbilly

“No. It dates to the 1850’s.”

An outgrowth of the No Nothings But ssshhhh, we’re not supposed to talk about “all that!” :-)

Meet The Depressed

September 25th, 2010
11:09 am

“On a side note, I would have gone for “Meet DePress”… unless you are simply depressed, of course.”

Nah, it serves better analogy with the left these days. Speaking of…

Summers gone. The economy still sucks. Who’s going to replace Summers? Rahm “fish eye” Emanuel may step down in Octoberr. Who could ever replace the guy who likes to make 5-year old nanny gestures and fart and laugh about it. Wow, cleaning house so soon Obama?

Soros, the flaming liberal gazillionaire media guru who hates the Right and spends all his money fighting it with propaganda, is having his 2002 conviction in France of insider trading reviewed. Funny, I thought that was only what those evil conservatives did.

Okay everyone who’s jaw dropped at the news that the GA400 toll would be continued for another 10 years please raise your hands. Then put your dunce cap on. We *are* talking about government here. What was that Reagan said? Oh yeah: “there is nothing so permanent as a temporary government program.”

Mick

September 25th, 2010
11:12 am

It’s been very rainy as of late, so all outside activities are put on hold. Here’s an interview that can take your mind off politics for a bit. Sometimes getting sidetracked might be OK-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKfBBBA12Vk&feature=related

Kamchak

September 25th, 2010
11:14 am

What was that Reagan said?

Don’t really care.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
11:18 am

josef

And the current Democratic party claims to be the descendants of Jefferson and Jackson. They even have their Jefferson-Jackson Day Dinner. But Jefferson and Jackson were two very different people, with differing views. So which group are the “real Democrats”, the Jacksonians or the Jeffersonians? And who is in charge of deciding that?

BADA BING

September 25th, 2010
11:20 am

On a positive note, Ellen and Portia got married, and Portia took Ellen’s last name. It is refreshing to see that there is at least one traditional, old fashioned marriage left in Hollywood.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
11:22 am

Hillbilly

Even though I would like to think they are the descendents of Jefferson, sadly they appear to be more the descendents of Jackson. I get tickled with the Jefferson-Jackson dinner…then a quick jump a few decades, the party of Jefferson Davis, ya know…! They had a chance to combine all three with Harry S, but it seems he’s been rejected, too…but ssshhh DADT! :-)

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
11:26 am

BADA BING

The name thing…Unmentionable and I have a running joke on that one if (whenever the breeders catch up with Fierce Advocate in the lead)…his European surname is one of those that everybody would recognize (and yes, it’s the same family!) and mine means, well “nothing!” Jokes aside, though, we would each keep our own surname and embarass just our own! :-)

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
11:27 am

Okay everyone who’s jaw dropped at the news that the GA400 toll would be continued for another 10 years please raise your hands. Then put your dunce cap on.

Sort of like, when they originally sold the MARTA tax, it was to last 10 years. And I doubt if there is a county anywhere, that hasn’t reneged on promises to end SPLOSTs. That’s one thing that’s truly bi-partisan.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
11:29 am

What good are in-laws, if you can’t be an embarrassment to them? :lol:

Time to get off my butt and get busy. This is a song that says an awful lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TZ-v5BW-pQ

Don't Forget

September 25th, 2010
11:32 am

Well, it’s only a matter of time before the cons try to con us with the notion that bedbugs are returning because of the ban of DDT. Might as well nip that one in the bud.

But long before the United States banned most uses of it in 1972, DDT had lost its effectiveness against bedbugs—which, like many fast-breeding insects, are extremely adept at evolving resistance to pesticides. “Bloggers talk about bringing back DDT,” says Bob Rosenberg, director of government affairs for the National Pest Management Association, “but we had stopped using it even before 1972.”

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/08/conservatives-blame-environmentalists-for-bedbugs.html

BADA BING

September 25th, 2010
11:36 am

josef…..I wonder if Ellen sent any email pics of herself in muscle shirts to Portia when they started dating?

Meet The Depressed

September 25th, 2010
11:39 am

“Well, it’s only a matter of time before the cons try to con us with the notion that bedbugs are returning because of the ban of DDT.”

Huh?

Yeah anyway, nothing like being “conned” with an $800 billion dollar “stimulus” bill of which such brilliance in money allocation spends on giving monkeys cocaine, giving money to a town in New York to study homelessness where there are no homeless people, money for building a guard rail around a pond in Oklahoma (except the pond was dried up decades ago), and one of the classics fit for a joke: money for a program to teach men in Africa how to clean their you-know-what after sex.

Now who are the “cons” again?

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
11:39 am

BADA

@ 11:36

:-)

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
11:41 am

Depressed

Where’s Senator Proxmire when you need him!

RW-(the original)

September 25th, 2010
11:43 am

Hillbilly D,

Don’t we generally vote for extensions of SPLOST? It’s the only tax increase I ever vote for.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2010
11:44 am

Why don’t airplanes have toll routes.

Paulo977

September 25th, 2010
11:50 am

Folks …let’s not try to escape .Let us enjoy the magic in The Circle of Life!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8ZnCT14nRc

Mick

September 25th, 2010
11:52 am

**Yeah anyway, nothing like being “conned” with an $800 billion dollar “stimulus” bill **

Man, you’ve got your head up your wazoo…in reality the stimulus created or saved between 2.5 to 3 million jobs. Think of everything just ONE person needs to consume just for our modern existence. This has a ripple effect throughout the economy. Each state was bailed out and given a chance to get their house in order. Biggest myth, the stimulus was a waste and didn’t do anything – BS….I’m saving the most important fact for last, at least all that money was spent or put into play here in the US – our money for us minus foreign wars, banksters….so to those who rail at the expense consider that the bailout put the money back to the people, private sector included. I have more problems with trillion dollar wars…..

Meet The Depressed

September 25th, 2010
12:04 pm

“Man, you’ve got your head up your wazoo…in reality the stimulus created or saved between 2.5 to 3 million jobs.”

There is not one single benchmark that has ever proven that. The fact that the Obama administration and Congressional Democrats keep changing the phrases (went from created, to created and saved, to now “lives touched.”)

But you want to know reality? When the bill was rammed through Congress (that nobody read) according to Biden it was to prevent unemployment from going above 8%. That was nearly two years ago. Where is it today and $800 billion later? How come people like you won’t address the fraud and waste of it?

And you say I have *my* head up the keister? Oh never mind. You are probably one of those 41% still approving of the Obama administration. Never mind. Sorry to waste your time with facts and reality. Good day.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 25th, 2010
12:04 pm

obozo said without Porkulus the unemployment rate would go up to 8% but when he got it unemployment went to 10%, and this is the story of how liberals define success, and they all lived happily ever after, duh.

Today, the wonder in awestruck stupidity why a candidate who owns an airplane would fly more than other candidates.

Probably makes them sleepy just contemplating it all.

Don't Forget

September 25th, 2010
12:19 pm

Depressed, unless you quote your source I have no reason to believe a thing you say.

UnderCovers

September 25th, 2010
12:26 pm

But… but… trillion dollar wars are what protect me from the terrorists that would otherwise come here and have their way with me and then cut off my head and live in my house and drink all my beer… and… .

UnderCovers

September 25th, 2010
12:29 pm

Whining “Reporters” do have a way of putting me to sleep.

Paulo977

September 25th, 2010
12:29 pm

Hillbilly
Deluxe
re:”Wonder”…Indeed…we seem to focus on the negatives don’t we?This was great..Thanks

Mick

September 25th, 2010
1:01 pm

Meet

You are not thinking clearly, nobody said the stimulus was perfect. However, if you just happen to be one of those millions or some of those US private sector contractors, you might be singing a different tune.

Why do they still deliver phone books? Just leave me a disc…..sheesh

Don't Forget

September 25th, 2010
1:38 pm

CBO: Stimulus Lowers Jobless Rate By Up To 1.8 Points

“When the CBO, Congress’s top watchdog and an institution widely-respected on both sides of the aisle, says that because of the Recovery Act as many as 3.3 million Americans are on the job today and the unemployment rate is as much as 1.8 percent lower, it’s impossible for even the most cynical, bent-on-rooting-for-failure critics to deny,” said Biden.

Guess again Joe, the billionaire’s hand puppets don’t care about the facts.

The CBO paper also noted that the price tag for the stimulus plan has been revised to $814 billion from a previous estimate of $862 billion, projected in February 2010. That is still higher than the $787 billion cost assigned to the bill when Congress passed it in February 2009.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/08/24/cbo-stimulus-lowers-jobless-rate-by-up-to-18-points/

Mick

September 25th, 2010
2:18 pm

Regarding deficits – we have the greatest advantage no matter what, the world economy plays by our rules. Once that changes, all bets are off. Still we should always be in a position to dictate the terms of the debt.

jt

September 25th, 2010
2:43 pm

Jay————————sorry for a belated retort. You asked.

“When someone robs a bank or steals a car, is that government’s fault too?”

I will answer.

When government TAKES OVER a bank or TAKES OVER a car manufactorer, then your results remain the same…..Grand Theft Production.

Furthermore, I like sardines.

You sir,……………. are living in a fantasy world if you think that government had nothing to do with the closing of the LAST SARDINE CANNERY in AMERICA.
The “free market” has nothing to do with the NOAA thugs, federal regulations, and at least 1 EEOC lawyer for every 3 sardine workers. This is called a “managed or centralized market”. Stalin or Castro can enlighten you.

A modern day Steinbeck would have wrote about “Poverty Row”.

Check THIS out……………….We are from the government and we are here to help. Evenb if we have to stomp your head into the ground.——————

NEW YORK (AP) – President Barack Obama’s $30 billion small community business lending program faces one big challenge: many of the community banks and businesses it’s supposed to help don’t want it.

Bank executives say their customers don’t want loans, even at low interest rates, because the sluggish economy has chilled expansion plans. Some say the federal money isn’t worth it because they fear it will come with too much regulatory oversight.

“We have taken a strategic decision not to have our primary regulator, the government, also be a partner in our bank,” said William Chase Jr., CEO of Triumph Bank in Memphis.”

I would bank with that guy. Hell, I would vote for him for president.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100925/D9IEME2G0.html

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
2:53 pm

jt

Anywhere the government gets a foot in the door, a mess of bureaucrats is sure to follow and another rain forest in the Third World bites the dust. My own paperwork has quadrupled since NCLB and all we’ve got to show for the effort is less time spent teaching the little ones to produce on a standardized test. That scandalous fiasco scandal of cheating on the test scores is a direct outgrowth of pleasing the bureaucrats. What makes us think that banking would be any different?

Jay

September 25th, 2010
2:58 pm

If you had read — or perhaps remembered — Steinbeck’s “Cannery Row,” jt, you would know that those sardine canneries in California closed for the same reason the one did in Maine: Overfishing. They cleaned out one of the greatest sardine fisheries in the world, and thus ran afoul of Rule No. 1 of sardine canneries:

You need sardines.

And no, that’s not a government rule.

So in the end, you didn’t rebut my point. You proved it. Everything becomes government’s fault, even when it is demonstrably not.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
3:05 pm

Well, if we’re going to bring the great Steinbeck into the picture…I don’t think he’d be much more impressed with the government now than he was then. I think he’d go for turning it over to Tortilla Flat’s wh*rehouse madame. “who had a taste for lime green evening dresses and ran an honest, one-price house.” No elitist, she! :-)

jt

September 25th, 2010
3:08 pm

Jay

You don’t “clean out” sardines. They come and go. I did’nt know you were such a marine biologist.

All I know, is that the next time that you are in the mystery meat section of your local market, and you reach for that can of double-layered goodness,……………..

be aware……………

it came from 10,000 miles away.

Thank your local lawyer, your local fully-costumed federal agent, your local democrat, and your local RINO.

I do suppose Monkfish have as much right to live as us.

Also watch the price.

jt

September 25th, 2010
3:11 pm

josef nix

I hear you.

Quick question/trivia?

What was the ONLY confederate GOVERNOR who actually led troops into battle? (Governors, like any politician, were generally hated back during the late unpleasantness).

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
3:15 pm

jt
Can’t recall the governor…who was it?

And Steinbeck’s solutions? The Short Reign of Pippin IV…I could be a contender!

Mick

September 25th, 2010
3:15 pm

I hate sardines and could care less where they came from now or then…

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
3:23 pm

MICK

“I hate sardines and could care less where they came from now or then…”

I’m with you on that one…bleeech! Among our post nuptial agreements was that that so-called foodstuff would be consumed by him only on a fishbank, downstream and downwind from me!

Kamchak

September 25th, 2010
3:26 pm

The orange pekoe folks are a-gonna make the same choice mistake as the Goldwater neo-cons.

September 21, 2010Many leaders of the Tea Party movement would have you believe theirs is a secular movement, one based on a free-market vision of the economy forged in the fires of our nation’s founding documents. But with control of the Congress up for grabs this November, the secular veil is growing a bit tattered in the tussle for power between Tea Party and religious right leaders. If the speakers at last weekend’s Values Voters Summit, an annual Washington conference for religious-right activists, have anything to say about it, Tea Party personalities had better drop that secular talk and walk slowly, with their hands up, toward the church door.

Why call ‘em the Tea Party?

Just call ‘em Republicans.

jt

September 25th, 2010
3:27 pm

josef nix———-

Ask and you shall recieve. I didn’t know it either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJADponG3QY

Mick—————-

The cubanos know of this. You don’t know what you are missing. I them once in Miami. Mostly in Spain.

http://www.tasteofbeirut.com/2010/07/fried-sardines/

Mick

September 25th, 2010
3:30 pm

**The cubanos know of this.**

That doesn’t impress me. I prefer italian american. Sardines are non existant to me, I prefer M&M’s over them.

jt

September 25th, 2010
3:31 pm

Kamchak ———–

Can’t wait until the Tea Party/Republicans gain control.

That way, ya’ll can start biatching about the wars and gitmo again.

I believe that ya’ll will breath a big sigh of relief.

Default to a caring irrelevance.

Pennsylvanian

September 25th, 2010
3:33 pm

Mick @ 3:15 – “I hate sardines and could care less where they came from now or then…”

To say you could care less means you care, at least some. I think you mean ‘couldn’t care less’? Hannity makes that same mistake all the time. You are a Hannity listener?

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
3:39 pm

jt
@ 3.27

Now I know why my memory was being jogged…I didn’t know he was the only one…but I did know about his connection with Carthage…are you familiar with Belle Starr’s connection thereto?

Mick

September 25th, 2010
3:41 pm

Pennsylvanian

What is this blog editing 101? Let me tell you a couple of three things, I don’t really give a damn…

Pennsylvanian

September 25th, 2010
3:42 pm

Just wanted to point out your comment was stupid. You are welcome.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
3:44 pm

Pennsylvanian

Speaking as a linguist, the grammatical formation as you outline is correct. However, it has been used so long and so often, it has achieved idiom status…I tend to stay out of these little snipes, though, since I make plenty of my own and so do the rest of us…even our blog meister who still insists that the contracted second person informal pronoun is “ya’ll.” :-)

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
3:45 pm

BTW

Does Hannity make the mistake “all the time” or “frequently and repeatedly?” :-)

Pennsylvanian

September 25th, 2010
3:48 pm

josef nix – My big concern here is that libs do not get associated with the same ‘idioms’ as that blowhard Hannity. Just looking out for y’all.

jt

September 25th, 2010
3:49 pm

josef nix

I am not familiar with Belle Starr’s connection.

Can you imagine Jesse James, Samuel Clemens, and the Fox being in the same pub at one time?

It could have happened. Samuel was a smart one. He got the hell out of there.

Pennsylvanian

September 25th, 2010
3:50 pm

You are correct – it is frequently and repeatedly. See, I can be civil. Why does Mick get all huffy? Thin skin?

Mick

September 25th, 2010
3:53 pm

Pennsylvanian

Someday, just maybe it will happen and you might rise above your immature manners.

Jay

September 25th, 2010
3:54 pm

jt writes: “You don’t “clean out” sardines. They come and go.”

Earlier in this debate, I noted that for those who prefer to blame government for everything, “Facts are ignored, distorted or invented, as needed, to support that narrative.”

jt just provided us an example of that very phenomenon, inventing facts as needed to sustain his unsustainable argument. Here are the historic facts:

The take for the (West Coast) sardine industry reached its peak in the
1936-37 season when 790,000 tons of sardines were removed from the
waters near British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, and California.
This amount was many times the amount that scientists recently
estimated to be the maximum sustainable yield of 250,000 tons. It
is held by ecologists that if the maximum sustainable yield of
250,000 to 300,000 tons per year had been observed, the sardine
industry would still be viable…..

In the early 1950’s the bottom fell out of the California
sardine industry. There is a significant amount of research that
suggests that over fishing of the California sardine had
significantly changed the age structure of the population. Without
a significant amount of reproductive aged adults the sardine was
unable to maintain its numbers as fishing continued. Research
points to the failed spawnings of 1949 and 1950 as the cause of the
collapse of the sardine population in the pacific North America.
Since the age range of the population had been altered, the
failures in reproduction in those two years were critical and
resulted in a serious decline in the quantity of the species. There
were no longer sufficent reproductive class populations to continue
the population. The failed spawnings of those years would not have
been so critical had the sardine been fished at sustainable levels.”

From American University, http://www1.american.edu/TED/sardine.HTM

Don't Forget

September 25th, 2010
3:57 pm

In 1950, there were 46 sardine plants in Maine. Global competition, changing palates and production efficiencies have contributed to the fall of canneries, but hopes are high that baby boomers will take to sardines’ health benefits and pump up future sales. Most of the US supply is from domestic catches of Atlantic herring – 179.9 million pounds worth $14.1 million in 2004, and Pacific sardines, at 198.9 million pounds valued at $10.4 million, according to National Marine Fisheries Service date.

http://www.napoleon-co.com/pages/product_pages/sardines.html

Blaming the government for the industry decline is just another con from the conservatives.

Kamchak

September 25th, 2010
3:59 pm

Extinct is forever.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
4:01 pm

Penn…

Libs don’t what? Our President consistently uses the comparative and superlative of “unique.”

jt

Her family was burned out and several of her civilian relatives killed during the puniative attack on Carthage. Unbeknowst to many, she was a trained classical concert pianist, knew Greek, Latin and Hebrew, spoke French and Spanish and later learned Cherokee when she refugeed to Indian Territory and took up residence, and later citizenship, in the Cherokee Nation, having married into the Starr family. The Starrs were, and are, a prominent family of highly educated individuals. She took to her “life of crime,” so to speak, during the occupation in response to the draconian “reconstruction” measures being implemented against the Indians there which, in turn, gave rise to the federal genocide against the Western Tribes…

Have you seen “Ride with the Devil” or read Woodall’s “The Woe to Live On” on which it was based?

jt

September 25th, 2010
4:04 pm

Jay

OMG.

“There is a significant amount of research that
suggests that over fishing of the California sardine had
significantly changed the age structure of the population. ”

CALIFORNIA sardines don’t hold government aurthurized ID’s.

As opposed to CHILEAN sardines?
Jay also posted …………..

” It
is held by ecologists that if the maximum sustainable yield of
250,000 to 300,000 tons per year had been observed, the sardine
industry would still be viable…..”

The same ecologists that brings you global warming doom and gloom or the ones that are “captured” by the industry?

I think Jay likes sardines and he is finally seeing the results of a centralized authoritarian economy.

IMHO of course.

stands for decibels

September 25th, 2010
4:10 pm

I have not yet heard the Sound Opinions podcast about sophomore (2nd album) successes.

I did have about 20 hours since my last post on the topic, wherein I did some thinkin’.

Here is my submission for finest Sophomore Success: Roxy Music’s For Your Pleasure lp, their second, and their last with Brian Eno. Here’s arguably the coolest track from the album, performed live live livety live:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykDr32qvmLg&ob=av2n

And yes, you get to see Eno soloing on synth. Along with all the rest of the Roxyies.

“learn from your mistakes is my only advise.”

Pennsylvanian

September 25th, 2010
4:11 pm

josef nix – Our President consistently uses the comparative and superlative of “unique.” Our President is also consistently FOS. Don’t you just love it when the POTUS says the mandate to buy health care insurance is ‘absolutely not a tax’, then the Justice Department defends the mandate as a form of taxation?

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
4:21 pm

Pennsylvanian

Well, our President does seem to think he’s a Fierce Advocate! You did hear about the Mohawk tribal leader who was calling him Walking Turkey, didn’t you? Asked why, he said, that was his tribal name. Why that? “Oh, that bird’s so full of sh*t he can’t fly!”

jt

September 25th, 2010
4:23 pm

JoNix–

Have you seen “Ride with the Devil” or read Woodall’s “The Woe to Live On” on which it was based?

I have not. I will.

Check this one out. A good ole Missislopinan, a Georgian, and a Floridian were the founders of the Polish Air Force.

A Question of Honor: The Kosciuszko Squadron:

http://www.amazon.com/Question-Honor-Kosciuszko-Squadron-Forgotten/dp/037572625X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1285445909&sr=1-1-spell

Pennsylvanian

September 25th, 2010
4:24 pm

josef nix – Walking Turkey….. That is hilarious!

How about a Fierce Advocate Regarding Taxation?

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
4:32 pm

jt
Did not know that one! I’ll have to check it out. I do know about Kosciusko, Mississippi, though! Back during the bad days for Solidarnosc it’s citizens signed a letter of support for their cause, the one ethnic Pole in town being given the honor of the first signature. Walesa took the time out at the time to send them a personal thank you…in English and Polish, I understand…

Incidentally, I’m rather fond of the Kosciuzko Foundation here in America…gave me a nice little stipend to do graduate work at Jagielonian but the troubles started just as I was packed and ready to go…Unmentionable put his foot down. I was going to go anyway. Given the way things turned out, I wish I had…

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2010
4:35 pm

If scientists were to make FrankenSardines, then we would not run out so fast.

theyeshaveit

September 25th, 2010
4:37 pm

Good grief. It’s been awhile since I’ve had the chance to visit here, and when I come back, we are talking sardines? :-D

Pennsylvanian

September 25th, 2010
4:40 pm

Taxpayer – If you mean Al Franken sardines, nobody would buy them.

Pennsylvanian

September 25th, 2010
4:42 pm

theyeshavit – Pitiful, isn’t it? I am trying hard to fill in for Bada Bing.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
4:42 pm

eyes

Good to see you! Talking sardines? You just never know where “a little opinion about a lot of things” will lead, do ya?

SFD

Been giving that sophomore album a lot of thought…it does seem to be the case…I posted my own, but the more I looked at those I THOUGHT were, the more that point seems to be born out…so far the S&G is the only one I’ve found…

theyeshaveit

September 25th, 2010
4:43 pm

I don’t know much about sardines, but I know they stink like hell. Right now, my UCLA Bruins are pushing Texas around, and Texas stinks like a can of sardines.

Jay

September 25th, 2010
4:44 pm

So jt, it seems you would rather pretend that you’re incapable of understanding such things than to admit you are wrong.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
4:46 pm

Bruin and jt…
Never really sure about y’all’s brawls, but I HAVE learned a lot about sardines! Or as I call them, salt water possum in a can…

theyeshaveit

September 25th, 2010
4:48 pm

josef,

Good to see you, too. It looks like Jay covered a number of subjects this past week including the good Georgia pastor. I had hoped t be around with Scout when that was discussed. The past two weeks the Friday Night music seems to have been in a slump. The hottest topic at home these days is the emergence of China as an economic bully. Hmmm. Has it really been so long that the “Ugly American” was written?

Penn,

Is Bada Bing on another South American sojourn?

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2010
4:51 pm

Are teachers mad at Barnes because he got rid of tenure for public school teachers.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2010
4:52 pm

Pennsylvanian,

Actually, I was thinking about the FrankenSalmon that I saw on teevee.

Jay

September 25th, 2010
4:52 pm

My younger daughter’s at UCLA, eyes. Great campus.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
4:53 pm

eyes

I didn’t get a chance to chime in much on the good pastor, but forget what Scout said, IR/YW was the fun one there! Kinda hard to Bible Thump and f*g bash at the same time! But, then, in case you missed it, he did come out as a lesbian!!

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
4:54 pm

Tenure is the least of teachers’ problems with Flag Boy…

jt

September 25th, 2010
4:55 pm

Jay———-

Put your faith in a centralized authority. Washington.

I will put my faith elsewhere.

Time will tell, although history already has.

It is not as if I want the whole seas swept of every sardine. I trust the fishermen over bureaucrats.

Peace.

Dont let those federalies stress ya out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WEUesP0eZw&feature=related

theyeshaveit

September 25th, 2010
5:01 pm

Jay,

Yes, UCLA certainly does have a great campus. BTW, with 13 seconds left in the first half, it is UCLA 13, Texas 3.

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
5:03 pm

Kinda hard to Bible Thump and f*g bash at the same time!

I missed that too, but if anybody is capable of pulling that off, I’d put my entire fortune on him.

G’afternoon all!!

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
5:03 pm

eyes

Just got home from work myself, and my beloved Tide is trying to drive me to drink!!!

theyeshaveit

September 25th, 2010
5:03 pm

josef,

lol. Well, I could have told you all along that he was a lesbian. No wonder I have a certain attraction to him. :-D

theyeshaveit

September 25th, 2010
5:04 pm

SoCo,

Is Arkansas that good, or is ‘Bama………?

Jay

September 25th, 2010
5:05 pm

Yeah, Saban v. Petrino.

Does somebody HAVE to win?

theyeshaveit

September 25th, 2010
5:05 pm

Gents,

I have to check out for a bit. Be back later.

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
5:08 pm

Jay

Until Saban takes off the Crimson and White, he’s my kinda guy. Think I’m gonna have to hit the liquor counter now.

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2010
5:09 pm

He also supported legislation that guaranteed patients the right to choose their physicians and helped pass legislation that allowed insurance companies to be held liable for denying or delaying health care for individuals. Barnes successfully pushed for tax cuts on family farms and established a sales tax holiday for Georgia.

Why that evil man! No wonder he is so disliked by so many Georgians. He sounds like he coulda been Obama’s daddy or somethin’.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
5:10 pm

SoCo

A bumper sticker I saw once…
You can drive yourself TO drink, just make sure you have a designated driver FROM…

On Andy…
The Bruin is present and I don’t want to go messin with his plant… but then he knew I was going to say that… :-)

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
5:13 pm

Obama’s daddy, eh? They’re estranged from the looks of Running Bear’s behavior when Walking Turkey came to town… :-)

NCLB, NCLB, NCLB!

Jay

September 25th, 2010
5:14 pm

Yeah SoCo, I think you’re good with Saban until someone offers him a dollar more somewhere else.

Mick

September 25th, 2010
5:21 pm

Saban is a bad word down here in these parts…

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
5:21 pm

Jay

If that isn’t the truth!!!

josef

Why drive? Just set up your own bar at home. The worst that can happen is that I get a CWI (crawling while under the influence). :)

Kamchak

September 25th, 2010
5:23 pm

Or as I call them, salt water possum in a can…

Gonna have to steal that one, josef. So many ways to modify and use to describe the vile and disgusting things that humans will ingest.

Like slimy boiled okra.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 25th, 2010
5:28 pm

yosef- It is rather easy to thump and bash at the same time, I think you might be confused, after all, I don’t remember the good Lord commanding us to go forth and play with other men’s thingies, just sayin…

Maybe that’s what happened to old fast Eddie, he was reading YOUR bible, hahahaha.

eewwwwwwwwwwww

Mick

September 25th, 2010
5:28 pm

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
5:29 pm

Like slimy boiled okra

:mrgreen: (without the smile though)

Mick

He’s still St. Nick in Tuscaloosa, unless he loses to Auburn or this game today.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
5:31 pm

K’chak

And I’m with you on the boiled okra (outside of gumbo, that is, but then if you know what you’re doing there..) Love it fried…
Mama loved the whole pods cooked over purple hull peas and her caveat to the ladies present was “cross your legs tight!”

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
5:36 pm

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
5:36 pm

Unh, hunh, Bruin! Make him earn his check! :-)

IR/YW
The Good L-rd commaned to go forth and multiply, not go forth and divide? “My” Bible? Well, the Christians did take it from us and if you’ll read y’all’s addendum, you might find out that the good rabbi from Nazareth didn’t much cotton to you Pharisees and Saducees…

Mick

September 25th, 2010
5:40 pm

SC

He just came to miami then quit after one year. He made the right decision though, college ball was a better fit. However, people should credit mike shula for signing all those great players.

Kamchak

September 25th, 2010
5:44 pm

Funny that you should mention the purple hulled peas, josef. Went to the State farmers market week before last and bought a bushel. Spent all last weekend shelling and freezing. Good eats this winter with cornbread and hot sauce.

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
5:47 pm

Mick

I remember. I was mad at him for doing Miami like that, and I’m nowhere near qualified as a Miami fan. I’m wanting Saban to exact revenge for me and the Falcons today, but for some reason, the team doesn’t act like they want to remain #1 after today.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
5:47 pm

SoCo

I have a problem myself with those who take to moderating such. It serves no useful purpose. It just blocks the cut to the chase and leads to inept circumlocution to say the same thing. Jay’s pretty good about exercising his right hereabouts. It’s like you say about the barbershop in the hood. Give me an Andy who makes no bones about it any day of the week over that lot and their snicker snicker, heh-heh, who are just being “cute,” but are doing a lot more damage in the long run, since they are saying the same thing but leave themselves a “that’s not what I meant” when challenged. Andy’s right there in your face in plain English and doesn’t try and back down when brought to task…

Pennsylvanian

September 25th, 2010
5:50 pm

josef nix – “But, then, in case you missed it, he did come out as a lesbian!!” I have to confess; I have lesbian tendencies myself. Gotta go walk the dogs. Bye, y’all!

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
5:53 pm

K’chak

Had me some purple hulls this week…I like ‘em with lots of pot likker over cornbread with sliced fresh tomatoes on the side…that juice mixing with the pot likker…sheer heaven on earth! When we were in college in the Northwest where folks had no idea what we were talking about, the first trip back home and my Second Mama Clarice had a big ole pot fixed for us the night we got in…them and purple butterbeans…BTW we go to the farmer’s market and get them and put ‘em up, too…sit on the front verandah swattin flies and mosquitoes and thinking of our Grannies…TRADITION!

Mick

September 25th, 2010
5:55 pm

SC

The dolphins are king sport down here and as long as they beat the jets and pats twice this year, I’ll be happy…

TaxPayer

September 25th, 2010
6:02 pm

I sure could go for a can of mustard-packed sardines and a pack of saltines. Now there’s a meal. Throw in some boiled okra and who could ask for anything more, ‘cept maybe a Pabst or two. I know, I know. That Pabst is some nasty brew but since Billy quit packaging beer, what’s a person to do.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
6:05 pm

LEGUME LOVERS

If you’ve never had them, fresh shelled (not dried!) black beans are one tasty treat. I discovered them quite by accident…dropped a bag of dried ones on the porch and it broke…swept them off into the just planted flower bed…they came up too pretty to clear out, made a beautiful flower and then a nice little crop…on a whim fixed a pot of them and served as per above…the yard here doesn’t lend itself to them, but my niece grew some and we had them not too long ago…mmmmmm

RW-(the original)

September 25th, 2010
6:12 pm

Hmmm….itty bitty fish, football, or stands second albums. I think I’ll grab a can of sardines and watch some football, but, stands, I once saw Roxy Music at The Roxy.

Technically it was a Bryan Ferry show, but he played plenty of the old stuff.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
6:21 pm

even our blog meister who still insists that the contracted second person informal pronoun is “ya’ll.”

Perhaps it’s forgiveable, since to him, it’s a second language?

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
6:25 pm

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
6:30 pm

josef

I understand your thinking, but I believe there are times when posters go overboard. The extremely inflammatory stuff should be banned as I don’t think it serves a useful purpose in any dialogue. The reason I say that is because I feel some people post those things just to get a rise from others. I believe you can discern whether a person’s post is their true feelings as opposed to just some indescriminate rant.

Mick

King Sport??? You need to spend time in Alabama. The Tide and Tigers are religions!!!

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
6:36 pm

Hillbilly

If he could just take off the blinders…but, then, like the rest of us, he’s just a product of his time and place…

Love that song…and the Pam Tillis from last p.m. Unmentionable has become obsessed with that video and says to tell you “finally, something of worth from that pack of malcontents…!”

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
6:39 pm

“finally, something of worth from that pack of malcontents…!”

Tell him I’ll try not to let it happen again. :lol:

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
6:41 pm

HD

Had not heard that one before. Gotta add that to my collection. This is, however, my preferred version of Southern Comfort.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
6:42 pm

SoCo
I agree on the rant and going overboard…and, yes, the truly inflammatory…and when it comes to such, Ole Jaybird has a pretty good record on that one…have to hand it to him. Like I say, I’m not for banning any of it, but I’m lunatic fringe myself…

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
6:42 pm

YEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ingram for 6!!!!!!!!!

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
7:00 pm

SoCo
@ 6:41

That’s TOO good! :-)

Mick

September 25th, 2010
7:08 pm

SC

Even though the heat is all the rage, football is still king…miami fans are the fair weather type – I prefer to watch on tv…

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
7:12 pm

lol @ Mick

At least you’re honest about it. The only think that’s missing from any football game in the state of Alabama, whether it’s high school, jv, or college, is the pulpit. If Saban runs the table again, he’ll be more powerful and important than the governor.

For all those military vets who poke fun at the Air Force, I think they pulled a fast one on you all. This has got to be the best recruitment tool ever used by any branch of the military!!!!

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
7:16 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
7:25 pm

I think people who take up serpents are taking a verse out of context but if that’s what they want to do, it’s alright with me.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
7:27 pm

SoCo

@ 7:16

You’re on a roll tonight! Did OSHA make them do that? Good to know the separation of church and state is not what we thought! :-)

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
7:28 pm

If this comes through, the rest of y’all ignore it… had a post held up elsewhere and it’s suspiciously intriguing.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
7:29 pm

Nope that wasn’t it…sorry for the interruption and please return to your regularly scheduled program.

Kamchak

September 25th, 2010
7:36 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
7:44 pm

Wendy Bagwell on snake handling……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFttCDdEKd8

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
7:55 pm

Howdy, gang. I’m back in Atlanta to finish packing and dropped by to say hi. The new job is going well, the owner already put my name on the door. All good news so far.

One great thing about Columbus is there are a lot of street musicians. I heard this song the other night, and it made me think of the blog band:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJYREFafQ9s

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
7:57 pm

It looks like HD had to carry the FNM last night. Where’s AmVet??

Kamchak

September 25th, 2010
7:58 pm

Congrats on the new job success, Bruno.

Keep you mouth closed when you’re outside and south of the gnat line.

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
8:03 pm

LOL, thanks, Kam. Columbus is about 5 degrees warmer than Atlanta, so has been scorching. I’m already missing a few things about the ATL, mostly the great selection of ethnic restaurants. I inquired where a good Middle Eastern restaurant might be and drew some funny looks. There are plenty of chain restaurants, but I usually like owner-operated places.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
8:04 pm

BRUNO

Friday’s missing you! Glad to know your name’s on the door!

Hillbilly
@ 7:44

I don’t care who you are, thass funny!

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
8:06 pm

Special for josef:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suuU3mliNo8&feature=related

I appreciate your friendship……

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
8:11 pm

Bruno

Look for a Greek place run by a Lebanese! Seriously, though, most of these mid sized Southern cities have some good Greek restaurants and if you’re in luck the owners fathers or grandfathers will have come from Turkey, Lebanon or Syria and sometimes have some of Mama’s food on the menu…

Best kebobs and humus I ever had were at an Italian place owned by Syrian Greeks in Paducah, Kentucky!

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
8:15 pm

josef

As well as being a Gospel singer, he used to own this place.

http://www.wendybagwellfurniture.com/default.html

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
8:15 pm

Bruno

Thanks for the tought! Much appreciated…

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
8:18 pm

I found a place on Broadway that served keebobs, but no humus or falafel. I’m going down to L5P tomorrow to get my fix. Fortunately, there are a few Japanese restaurants in Columbus, so finding sushi won’t be a problem. In the meantime, I’ve gotten hooked on the new McDonald’s strawberry-banana smoothie. They’re $3 a pop, so will have budget an extra $100 per month. :-)

I stumbled across a little hole in the wall restaurant for lunch that serves an awesome Philly cheese steak. The owner is Korean, so I schmoozed her a little by speaking Korean. She responded by giving me a discount!!

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
8:18 pm

Bruno!!!!!!!

josef

It’s probably the government overregulating the church. :)

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
8:24 pm

so I schmoozed her a little by speaking Korean

I cain’t even schmooze in English!! :lol:

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
8:24 pm

SoCo

I think this is one of those places I’ll go for government regulation…I’m like the fellow in Hillbilly’s link…”yes, I would, but H- didn’t tell me to, so I ain’t!”

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
8:26 pm

SC–Since Columbus is close to Auburn, I’m running into a lot of Tiger fans. On Fridays and Saturdays, it’s very common for folks to wear either Orange or Crimson colors. My boss is an Auburn fan, and likes to yell “War Eagle” whenever he sees orange. I’m playing it smart so far and keeping my mouth shut. I haven’t seen the college rankings, but would have to believe the Tide is still #1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oW7AsVLW7w

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
8:27 pm

I cain’t even schmooze in English!!

LOL @ HD. I’m sure you have your way with the mountain girls……. ;-)

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
8:28 pm

Bruno

Just don’t say “War Damn Eagle”. Auburn folks don’t like that.

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
8:30 pm

Just checked the scores, a squeaker by Alabama over the Razorbacks….. Arkansas looks pretty tough this year.

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
8:32 pm

Just don’t say “War Damn Eagle”. Auburn folks don’t like that.

After I get a little more established, I’ll give that one a try. I think the further south you go, the more serious people take their football, both HS and college.

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
8:34 pm

josef

I was in tears listening to that…

Southern Comfort

September 25th, 2010
8:36 pm

Bruno

It wasn’t Roll Tide today. Instead it was more like Squeak Tide Squeak!!! The best thing about Auburn is I-85 or U.S. 280 leaving out of it. :)

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
8:37 pm

Bruno

Memorize some of these. And Shug Jordan is pronounced “Shug Jer-dun”.

http://www.quotemountain.com/famous_quote_author/shug_jordan_famous_quotations/

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
8:39 pm

Geez didn’t realize they only had the 1 quote.

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
8:43 pm

Geez didn’t realize they only had the 1 quote.

I’m sure the most important quote is this one from Wiki:

“He was the head football coach at Auburn from 1951 to 1975, where he compiled a record of 176–83–6. He is the winningest coach in Auburn Tigers football history.”

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
8:44 pm

“There’s nothing that cleanses you soul like getting the hell kicked out of you.” Woody Hayes-Ohio State.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
8:46 pm

“Always remember, Goliath was a 40 point favorite over David”. Shug Jordan

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
8:47 pm

“It’s kind of hard to rally around a math class”. Bear Bryant

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
8:49 pm

I don’t know if it’s still there, but there used to be a church on Emerson-Allatoona road up near Cartersville that advertised snake-handling services. I don’t know if my faith is that strong……

And speaking of snake-handling, what’s up with the Bishop Eddie Long???? That even made the news down in Columbus.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
8:49 pm

“I don’t expect to win enough games to be put on NCAA probation. I just want to win enough to warrant an investigation”-Bob Devaney

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
8:50 pm

what’s up with the Bishop Eddie Long?

Scroll down about 2 threads.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
8:52 pm

“At Georgia Southern, we don’t cheat. That costs money and we don’t have any”. Erk Russell

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
8:52 pm

BRUNO

Arkansas? Now practice…sooooeeeepigpigpig! I work with a very lovely and elegant Argentine lady who went to Arkansas…first time I asked her, she cut loose…should have seen the looks on the faces in the teachers’ lounge!

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
8:53 pm

“It’s kind of hard to rally around a math class”.

Unless you go to Harvey Mudd College. ;-)

Gotta run out for some chow, catch y’all in a few…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMAeEvhJ4eo

I’m counting out time,
Got the whole thing down by numbers.
All those numbers!
Give me guidance!
O Lord I need that now.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
8:55 pm

BRUNO

What’s up with Long? So many lines and so little time!!!!

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
8:56 pm

Scroll down about 2 threads.

Ah, I see it. Old news already…….

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 25th, 2010
8:59 pm

WASHINGTON — Democratic candidates across the country are opening a fierce offensive of negative advertisements against Republicans, using lawsuits, tax filings, reports from the Better Business Bureau and even divorce proceedings to try to discredit their opponents and save their congressional majority.

And in the case of the Georgia Governor’s race, the Urinal making up a story out of whole clothe and putting it on the front page.

Don’t worry Repugs, everybody snickered, just sayin…

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
9:00 pm

Banana Republic

September 25th, 2010
9:05 pm

if evolution is real, “why aren’t monkeys still evolving into humans?

Banana Republic

September 25th, 2010
9:29 pm

Why does The Whine read urinals. I don’t even want to know how though. I can’t imagine it involves floating tea leaves.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
9:31 pm

Banana

Have you been following what’s going on with the baboons? Seriously…

Soothsayer

September 25th, 2010
9:37 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
9:42 pm

Sooth

That song has some of the best mood setting guitar and steel playing, I’ve ever heard.

Soothsayer

September 25th, 2010
9:45 pm

What a great song! For those old enough to remember, Gary McKee used to play that song when the winter weather was REALLY STINKY!

Soothsayer

September 25th, 2010
9:47 pm

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
9:50 pm

Back at ya, Sooth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLcx4VCkJH0&feature=related

I know that we’ve well-covered Gordon Lightfoot here on the blog several times in the past, but you can never have too much Gordy IMO.

For those old enough to remember

Just the old fart in me talking (just turned 50), but the newer musicians just don’t know how to tell a good story the way the musicians from the 70s did.

BADA BING

September 25th, 2010
9:51 pm

the eye shave it…..BADA BING watches….waits.

Soothsayer

September 25th, 2010
9:57 pm

Please, somebody, find me a studio-quality version of “Early Morning Rain” OK?

Banana Republic

September 25th, 2010
9:59 pm

Have you been following what’s going on with the baboons? Seriously…

Seriously!

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
10:04 pm

Banana

Oops! Sorry I missed the joke. I’ve been avoiding all that, but I see you HAVE been following what’s going on with the baboons! :-)

Soothsayer

September 25th, 2010
10:04 pm

Friends, if you don’t believe in evolution, you need to come up to the Dawsonville Wal-Mart. We have all of the various stages of evolution on display for the edification of the scientific community.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
10:10 pm

The thing on the baboons…there is a new theory making the rounds that evolution is not so gradual as we previously thought, but comes in rapid spurts. The case study has been that of the baboons who have apparently developed in a period of two or three generations the ability to make, lay and execute complex plans to achieve an end. They had taken to attacking cars for goodies when the cars stopped to gawk at them. When the cars quit stopping, the apes took to standing in the road, attacking when the cars stopped to avoid hitting them. Then when the cars stopped stopping, the baboons noted that if there was a mother with an infant, they would still stop. So they have taken now to putting a mother and infant in the road, the tribe hiding in the bush out of sight and attacking when the car stops.

j$

September 25th, 2010
10:11 pm

Sooth, or go anywhere around atlanta.

chillz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_3GVhfnwZI

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 25th, 2010
10:12 pm

It ain’t the Dawson County people, it’s what that damn outlet mall brought in.

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
10:20 pm

there is a new theory making the rounds that evolution is not so gradual as we previously thought, but comes in rapid spurts.

I wouldn’t call that a new theory, josef. The history of evolutionary changes has always been one of rapid development. The reason is that “evolution” is actually a teleological process, i.e. purpose-driven. While the mechanism for accomplishing that isn’t known completely, I strongly believe that it will be shown that it is directed by the epigenomes.

What has always frustrated me are the idiot “scientists” who try to claim that evolution is all one big happy accident, driven by random mutations or some other such nonsense. Anyone with a background in biochemistry and physics understands that the complexity represented by living organisms cannot be the result of any random process.

As I’ve stated to you before, my life goal has been to synthesize Science and Religion. Each on its own only tells half the story.

Soothsayer

September 25th, 2010
10:21 pm

j$ That song was from the “White Album” right?

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
10:25 pm

j$

Around Atlanta…? Hell, go anywhere in human “civilization!” Or take a look in the mirror! I think the evolutionists are overly optimistic!

RW-(the original)

September 25th, 2010
10:29 pm

josef,

Jay B is still holding out on giving us our evolution thread, but punctuated equilibrium isn’t really all that new a theory in evolutionary biology.

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
10:30 pm

I suspect that HD has taken some of my past “attacks” on religion in the wrong way, though he has never directly said that directly to me. Just to clear the air, I am very harsh on people who misuse religion, but only because it is such a serious matter. We all owe our existence to the Creator, to God. Without God in the equation, the equation is incomplete. What form God takes is very much open to debate, of course. Personally, I understand God to be a spirit, though the word “spirit” needs to be carefully defined so that it is consistent with Science. Over in the scientific world, the term “emergent properties” is synonymous with the word “spirit”.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
10:31 pm

Bruno

I might have known that’d bring out the scientist in you! The “newness” I was referring to is that the rapid bursts are much shorter generationally speaking than previously accepted. As we’ve discussed before, I’m Maimonidean. I see no conflict between science and religion once the dogmatists of each are pushed aside…

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
10:34 pm

RW
We’ll get our evolution thread yet, won’t we? See my comment later to Bruno for clarification of what I meant by “new” theory…

RW-(the original)

September 25th, 2010
10:36 pm

I thought there must have been some huge breaking news to have gotten us suddenly a few hundred comments deep.

Should have known it was just Bruno blowing through. :-)

Bruno,

A buddy of mine in Dothan swears by a fried chicken joint in Columbus. He’s never said much about the food but supposedly there’s a waitress there that’s some sort of goddess.

Jay

September 25th, 2010
10:38 pm

Actually, Bruno, almost every evolutionary scientist will tell you that evolution is NOT a purpose-driven process. And many if not most have the very “background in biochemistry and physics” that you claim would preclude such a theory.

It is not driven toward perfection of a species, nor toward more complexity. It is driven solely by what allows a population of genes to spread itself. That’s the science, anyway. Any other explanation is based on something OTHER than science.

Note that I didn’t say something LESS than science. But the science is pretty clear.

RW-(the original)

September 25th, 2010
10:38 pm

josef,

Once we get that thread I’m breaking out my inner Muslim. :-)

Jay

September 25th, 2010
10:39 pm

RW, don’t let Scout know that.

RW-(the original)

September 25th, 2010
10:41 pm

Jay B,

I’ll just let Scout think it’s a drill.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
10:42 pm

Well Bruno and RW are here and as much as I’d like to stick around and see where it goes, check out time is here…

Jay

September 25th, 2010
10:43 pm

RW, I’m not sure Scout distinguishes between drill and the real thing. But I’ll keep my fingers crossed for ya.

RW-(the original)

September 25th, 2010
10:44 pm

Well Bruno and RW are here and as much as I’d like to stick around and see where it goes, check out time is here

HBO doesn’t have any live boxing tonight so we’ve got to recreate it somewhere. :-)

Jay

September 25th, 2010
10:45 pm

And Bruno, how’d your first week go?

Glad to know you’re back among the paid. Only 14,999,999 more to go.

josef nix

September 25th, 2010
10:46 pm

See, Jay does know what I’m going to say…comes in on evolution just as I’m checking out…! RW has an inner Muslim and Andy’s a lesbian…damn, Jay, what else are we going to say that you’re keeping secret?

RW-(the original)

September 25th, 2010
10:48 pm

Thanks Jay, I had my fingers crossed for your Knitting Lions today as well. That seemed to work out so maybe I’ll pose as a Sikh.

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
10:52 pm

Actually, Bruno, almost every evolutionary scientist will tell you that evolution is NOT a purpose-driven process. And many if not most have the very “background in biochemistry and physics” that you claim would preclude such a theory.

Which is why they are almost all full of sh*t, Jay. If you read carefully between the lines, however, they use “code words” like “survival of the fittest” and “emergent properties” to state what common sense alone will tell you. When pressed for details, however, there is a lot of hand-waving.

When you begin your studies with atomic physics, it is immediately apparent that the union of atomic particles itself is nothing short of miraculous. Schrodinger’s equations as applied to the union of two hydrogen atoms are enough to boggle the mind. If you try to apply those equations to anything more complex, then the world’s best computers are immediately overwhelmed.

Maybe you put your faith in some of these folks, but I don’t. Very few of them can see the forest for the trees. If an appeal to authority is enough for you, then I won’t stand in your way. I prefer to make my own judgments.

j$

September 25th, 2010
10:53 pm

gotta put this one out there in case no one honored Mike Edward’s untimely fate.

Man, those were some good times at the old studio 54.

RIP friend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfmhNpbxDxA&feature=fvst

Jay

September 25th, 2010
10:59 pm

Understood, Bruno.

But if you’re gonna take that stance, I don’t think it’s wise to claim that anyone who knows physics and biochem would agree with you. It’s based on something else.

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
11:00 pm

It is driven solely by what allows a population of genes to spread itself. That’s the science, anyway. Any other explanation is based on something OTHER than science.

Sorry to nitpick that statement as well, Jay, but “the science”, as you term it, cannot determine the “purpose” of any system. Any such statement lies outside the realm of science. The term “survival of the fittest” is a tautology, since “the fittest” are simply “those who survive”.

The bottom line is that “random mutations” as a possible mechanism for evolutionary change is completely off-base. The rapidity of adaptive change suggests a purpose driven mechanism, which can only be explained by the epigenomes, which direct the activity of the genes.

Jay

September 25th, 2010
11:00 pm

And RW, I too had my fingers (and toes) crossed. That was Temple’s first loss, I think. But still … Temple.

Jay

September 25th, 2010
11:02 pm

I would agree, science can’t determine purpose. You’re exactly right.

So if you want to claim there’s a purpose, you’re by definition calling upon something other than science. Not physics. Not biochem.

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
11:03 pm

But if you’re gonna take that stance, I don’t think it’s wise to claim that anyone who knows physics and biochem would agree with you. It’s based on something else.

I can’t claim to know the background of every evolutionist out there, but people who are typically drawn to the life sciences, e.g. biology, are usually weak in physics and vice versa.

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
11:12 pm

So if you want to claim there’s a purpose, you’re by definition calling upon something other than science. Not physics. Not biochem.

Though mathematical and physical laws are ultimately presented in a rigorous form, they all originate in the realm of intuition. I don’t know about you, Jay, but my intuition says that the overwhelming complexity and level of organization required by even the simplest living beings isn’t random or accidental. If that were the case, life would have never started in the first place.

Now, does this automatically lead to the belief in an anthropomorphic God?? Not to me, I think that is a false dichotomy. At some point, however, we are faced with the idea of ex nihilo , “something out of nothing”. Our minds, as amazing as they are, simply can’t solve that puzzle.

Bruno

September 25th, 2010
11:41 pm

It’s getting lonely being the last man standing…..again.

For AmVet (George), wherever he may be partying tonight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWy9q24wfdU

Brett

September 25th, 2010
11:55 pm

Glancing at the comments herein vomited forth by the pathetic, uneducated Repugs is like mud-wrestling in the sewer with a bunch of half-wits.

Mick

September 26th, 2010
12:24 am

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 26th, 2010
7:24 am

I think the first hurdle any evolutionary “scientist” needs to overcome is, like, having any proof of it.

Yes, you were “spurted” forth, I won’t argue with that.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 26th, 2010
7:35 am

Stimulus-funded jobs program may end
Thousands who worked again face unemployment. -Urinal

And now check out the only company “saved” by this mentioned in the story-

http://www.armstrongpie.com/

I wonder if our first lady, Idi Amin, knows what little fatties the gov is working so hard to create?

Or is she eating all of the product?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 26th, 2010
9:45 am

Aahhh, the hangover from Recovery Summer is pounding their empty heads-

Recovery feels like recession
Unemployment still high, spending anemic despite slump’s end. -Urinal

Maybe because it is a recession you freaking moron.

geez

BADA BING

September 26th, 2010
10:10 am

I guess this is off-subject Sunday. Lindsay Lohan has so many mug shot pictures out, that somebody should make a multi-colored poster similar to Warhol’s painting of Marlyn Monroe.

BADA BING

September 26th, 2010
10:12 am

Democratic thinking…….If it looks like a recession, and quacks like a recession, and it walks like a recession, it’s a recovery.

AmVet

September 26th, 2010
10:38 am

Good morning, blogging friends.

I was at the local Nebraska haunt last night watching an extremely uninspired Huskers effort. Jeez, just when I thinks are really starting to gel in Lincoln, the Jack Rabbits, of all teams, make us look like we’ve gone right back to the Callahan years…

I see that some tried to make Friday night less than special again. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge, RW!)

An interesting discourse on sardines, in which one position was bolstered by facts and links and the other by demagoguery. (Sorry, jt, that’s just the way I read it…)

And an extremely interesting discussion on evolution and all that that entails. Brother B is more than just a master of things political, he is a true Renaissance Man in the breadth and depth of his intellect. And he makes me consider many things in a very different light.

Too bad it was all via the evil and liberal public education system in this country! (grin.)

And thanks for the George H. song. A timeless message that still needs to be shared today. Give me love, give me love, give me peace on earth…

And back at ya’ll on a fine fall morning…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TWd3skb-Rw

Doggone/GA

September 26th, 2010
11:13 am

“And an extremely interesting discussion on evolution”

Yeah…but the problem with that discussion is that the example used (the baboons) isn’t an example of genetic evolution. At best it’s a small example of behavioral evolution…but my bet is that it’s not even that. My bet is that it just proves baboons are smarter than even scientists realized they are.

Southern Comfort

September 26th, 2010
11:43 am

My bet is that it just proves baboons are smarter than even scientists realized they are.

And that task gets easier by the year as we continue down the path of de-education.

Doggone/GA

September 26th, 2010
11:46 am

SoCo – there is that! But evolution, like relativity, is easily distorted beyond it’s scientific meaning.

RW-(the original)

September 26th, 2010
11:58 am

What’s that on the back of my leg?

Southern Comfort

September 26th, 2010
12:10 pm

Doggone

In our instant fix society, almost everything is distorted beyond it’s scientific, or even regular, meaning.

RW

Is this what you felt on your leg?

Doggone/GA

September 26th, 2010
12:13 pm

“In our instant fix society, almost everything is distorted beyond it’s scientific”

Well, that’s mostly true…but the distortion of both evolution and relativity is a LOT older than just today’s society. The problem is that EVEN our as late as today, those distortions still exist.

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
12:14 pm

Doggone

And behavioral evolution isn’t evolution?

Soothsayer

September 26th, 2010
12:16 pm

Doggone/GA

September 26th, 2010
12:17 pm

“And behavioral evolution isn’t evolution?”

It is change, it’s not necessarily evolution and it certainly isn’t Darwinian (or genetic) evolution.

Southern Comfort

September 26th, 2010
12:19 pm

josef

When Doggone’s talking about evolution, I think she’s referring to genetic evolution. That would be referring to last night’s 9:05pm post. That poster’s question is more related to genetic evolution as opposed to behavorial evolution. The process you described with the baboons sounds more like adaptation as opposed to evolution. That’s just what I think though, and we both know I’m not an esteemed member of the scientific community. :)

Doggone/GA

September 26th, 2010
12:23 pm

“The process you described with the baboons sounds more like adaptation as opposed to evolution”

It was an example of adaptation. Baboons are quite clever creatures and as a “pack” animal are very good at cooperative behavior. The description given sounds to me like just an adaptation of their normal cooperative behavior to a new “prey” source.

Meet The Depressed

September 26th, 2010
12:25 pm

Go figure. Yesterday I referenced the epic disaster of the “stimulus” bill and how much of a waste was in it. Today an article on Bloomberg references an author who wrote a book about it: Black Swan. Now that we know the Obama dream team is abandoning ship port and starboard, the truths are beginning to unravel:

‘U.S. President Barack Obama and his administration weakened the country’s economy by seeking to foster growth instead of paying down the federal debt, said Nassim Nicholas Taleb, author of “The Black Swan.” “Obama did exactly the opposite of what should have been done,” Taleb said yesterday in Montreal in a speech as part of Canada’s Salon Speakers series. “He surrounded himself with people who exacerbated the problem. You have a person who has cancer and instead of removing the cancer, you give him tranquilizers. When you give tranquilizers to a cancer patient, they feel better but the cancer gets worse.” Today, Taleb said, “total debt is higher than it was in 2008 and unemployment is worse.”’

Just wait until taxes get jacked back up and Obamacare kicks in (and some insurance premiums are already going up – I didn’t believe for one second they would not go up, counter to Democrat promises). And don’t even go there on what Cap & Trade will do. Change we can believe in!

And then we have the New York Times on the typical modus operandi of the Democrat Party: “WASHINGTON — Democratic candidates across the country are opening a fierce offensive of negative advertisements against Republicans, using lawsuits, tax filings, reports from the Better Business Bureau and even divorce proceedings to try to discredit their opponents and save their congressional majority.”

Do they have anything positive to run on with nearly four years running both chambers of Congress? Didn’t think so.

But on a lighter note, last week a man in New Jersey was arrested after beating his girlfriend with a cat. Now that gives a whole new meaning to the phrase “pu**y whipped.”

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 26th, 2010
12:30 pm

Kansas City, bwa

Vikings, duh, ew.

Pats

The Dirty Birds on the road, hahahahaha, fuggit about it.

Giants

Steelers, although…

Bengals

Ravens

Texans, Stars 0-3

Skins

Eagles

Colts

Cards

Bolts

The Fishies

F the Packers, just sayin…

Southern Comfort

September 26th, 2010
12:30 pm

Just wait until taxes get jacked back up and Obamacare kicks in

Healthcare reform has already started, and insurance premiums were already increasing. That’s your free market at work. They are free to increase their premiums, and we have no choice but to pay them since we’ll soon be mandated to have coverage. It’s rather funny that most conservatives are so against this plan, when mandating coverage was originally a Republican idea. Go figure…

Also, unlike supply-side thinkers, I don’t think a 3% increase in taxes will hurt anyone who currently is working. Many who don’t have a job would more than likely rather have a 3% increase in something as opposed as to not having a job at all.

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
12:36 pm

SoCo, Doggone

Not a scientist myself, I won’t try to argue the point of the Darwinian/genetic. Does this mean I may no longer use the term evolution in reference to societal change? The evolution of the capitalist imperialist system…the evolution of democratic self-rule? So, adaptation and change or not evolution, the “thing” did not evolve from a previous form?

Then the Darwinian studies of the birds on the Galapagos are not really a study of evolution, but a study of adaptation?

Mary Elizabeth

September 26th, 2010
12:36 pm

Bruno, thank you for your introduction, at least to me, of this new concept regarding behaviorial evolution.
I have intuitively felt for awhile that the direction that we, collectively, wish to take our nation and world will effect the collective consciousness of society at large and, thereby, its evolution.
From the scanning that I have done in Wikipedia on the eginenomes you mentioned, it appears, in a brief, first reading, that societal changes (behaviorial) can, in fact, change the physiology of the DNA passed to future generations – and, thus, effect the course of evolution.

Mary Elizabeth

September 26th, 2010
12:40 pm

Correction: Epigenomes – not eginenomes.

What'd I Do

September 26th, 2010
12:42 pm

If you seek an answer to that 9:05 post, then look no farther than the link in the 9:59 post.

Southern Comfort

September 26th, 2010
12:42 pm

josef

I think adaptation and evolution go hand-in-hand. What starts out initially as an adaptation can eventually evolve and change a species. Adaptation would be short-term thinking or problem solving. Evolution would be the ability to view situations and think thru them instead of acting first and then thinking.

Doggone/GA

September 26th, 2010
12:43 pm

“Does this mean I may no longer use the term evolution in reference to societal change? The evolution of the capitalist imperialist system…the evolution of democratic self-rule? So, adaptation and change or not evolution, the “thing” did not evolve from a previous form? ”

Certainly you can still use it, you just aren’t using it in a Darwinian sense. That is evolution in the vernacular, not in the scientific and genetic sense.

“Then the Darwinian studies of the birds on the Galapagos are not really a study of evolution, but a study of adaptation?”

It was both. A species adapts to environmental changes. We can see adaptation happening all around us. It is evolution in the Darwinian sense when 2 separate populations of an originating species can no longer “go back” and interbreed because evolutionary (Darwinian) changes have made that impossible.

Doggone/GA

September 26th, 2010
12:47 pm

“Adaptation would be short-term thinking or problem solving. Evolution would be the ability to view situations and think thru them instead of acting first and then thinking.”

You are, in the main, correct…but you are thinking are a far too human level. Animals don’t think things through and then decide to change. Genetic mutation occur all the time, the vast majority of them are unseen and unsuccessful. The ones that are successful MIGHT contribute to the continued success of the species, or might just not inhibit that success.

But when circumstances change in the environment and those circumstances favor members of the species with a particular genetic mutation AND that continued success eventually leads to a new population that can no longer interbreed with the “parent” population…THAT is Darwinian evolution.

Southern Comfort

September 26th, 2010
12:47 pm

What’d I Do

Deferring to a politician for an answer to a scientific issue is like going to your mechanic for open heart surgery. He may understand how systems pump fluids, but that’s about it. If that politician is a scientific expert, then there’s an exception for that.

Doggone/GA

September 26th, 2010
12:48 pm

I’m outta hear for a while. Got a new waterfall calling to me!

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
12:55 pm

My training is as a linguist, so I’ll just stick to that great Yankee master in the field, and go with ole
Noah’s namesake’s definition sticking with the first three definitions and its Latin origins, leaving it to others to argue definition 4a… :-)

EVOLUTION
1
: one of a set of prescribed movements
2
a : a process of change in a certain direction : unfolding b : the action or an instance of forming and giving something off : emission c (1) : a process of continuous change from a lower, simpler, or worse to a higher, more complex, or better state : growth (2) : a process of gradual and relatively peaceful social, political, and economic advance d : something evolved
3
: the process of working out or developing
4
a : the historical development of a biological group (as a race or species) : phylogeny b : a theory that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations; also : the process described by this theory
5
: the extraction of a mathematical root
6
: a process in which the whole universe is a progression of interrelated phenomena

From the Latin evolutio, unrolling, from evolvere, first known usage in 1622

Larry, Curly, and Mo N Santo

September 26th, 2010
12:56 pm

We have a much more forwardly path to alterating the homosapiens and our approach is quite profitable and hence, nuk nuk nuk, sustainable thus desirable. It is the way of the corporation, wooh wooh wooh, and I say that without hesitation because there can be no relaxation without contemplation of avoiding the temptation. Corn anyone. It’s a new variety. We call it cob-free and quite tasty. Don’t worry. It doesn’t bite back. Yet.

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
1:02 pm

Stooges

Corporate evolution?

Mary Elizabeth

September 26th, 2010
1:07 pm

Doggone 12:43, “two separate populations of the originating species cannot ‘go back’ and interbreed.”
Last evening I saw once again Tennessee Williams’ masterful play, “Streetcar named Desire” on TCM. Blanche (Vivien Leigh) says to her sister Stella (Kim Hunter) that Marlon Brando is a brute in the evolutionary process (paraphrased) and that she does not want Stella to stay “behind” with her brutish husband as evolutionary forces moves forward in intellectual and spiritual development. I thought, again, in hearing those words that a spiritual evolution of consciousness could be coming for humans. And Tennessee Williams was visionary enough to see it unfolding. In all evolution, the past (individuals) remain for awhile as the future (individuals) move forward into new dimensions.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 26th, 2010
1:10 pm

SoCo

I worked for many years in automobile dealerships and I also knew a couple of doctors, who enjoyed working on cars, as a hobby. I found it very interesting talking to the doctors and listening to them talk about how similarly diagnostics work, in each field. (The doctors had taken some formal auto mechanics training, at night, in their spare time). They said that both the mechanic and the doctor approach the problem in the same way. You try to isolate the complaint, then you go through the possible causes and which systems are working when. By a process of elimination, some things can be weeded out. Of course, the two fields are quite different but I found their take on it very interesting.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 26th, 2010
1:13 pm

The only thing I agree with concerning the theory of “evolution” is that liberals are closely related to the monkey family, y’all were spot on with that discovery.

Far as the rest of it goes, we’re still waiting for some, like, uh, proof…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 26th, 2010
1:20 pm

Y’all think I’m joking about 1:13, dontcha? Think about this, the family of monkies does all sorts of depravity, unrestrained by human morality, they kill and eat their young, masturbate in public, throw their feces around, shriek like idiots, surrender like monkeys, eat up all their bananas and then steal some from their fellow monkeys when they run out, it’s amazing how much liberals and primates have in common.

Except the primates aren’t weird enough to get queer with each other.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 26th, 2010
1:27 pm

If the theory of “evolution” were indeed fact, the liberals would have lost their opposing thumbs a long time ago, it isn’t like they use them for work or anything…

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
1:28 pm

Wow! Just look at what a snippy off the wall comment can evolve into!

All I set out to do was respond to the question ,“if evolution is real, why aren’t monkeys still evolving into humans?” by pointing out that apparently the baboons were catching up with the homo sapiens’ willingness to put the mothers and children at risk to get goodies and that that “evolution” was a matter of two or three generations.

And I see IR/YW is here to give us the baboon’s perspective…

:-)

I should have just followed Jay’s lead and stuck with abortion, the State of Israel and Palin!

jt

September 26th, 2010
1:33 pm

S’more Federalies in action.

300 HUNDRED INNOCENT TURTLES. We must destroy them to save them.

This War on Turtles should end. Snooping Federal SOBs. From the AJC………………..

“The lawsuit alleged Seitz and two federal wildlife officers violated Santhuff’s civil rights by going into his backyard without a warrant to gather information about his turtle collection in 2005. The evidence they obtained was used as a basis to arrest Santhuff on charges related to the illegal possession and breeding of rare turtles.”

“More than 500 turtles were confiscated, but about 300 died in state custody.” (our state was under FEDERAL orders.).

Can’t wait for Federal Healthcare.

I’m sure Jay will poo-pah those bad, bad turtle lovers.

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
1:34 pm

Mary Elizabeth

“If you remember that all of Williams’ men are really women, he begins to make a little sense.” Truman Capote

But allow me to say again that I long ago rejected the Blanche du Bois syndrome! I went with Stella, got me a Stanley (well, a refined one!) and have been happy ever since. BTW, I was blessed to have the chance to talk to Williams about this and it was kind of interesting to hear his comments on the interpretations of “what he was saying.”

AmVet

September 26th, 2010
1:35 pm

Bro jo, it could always be worse! You could have embarrassed yourself in front of the the entire nation like these three did…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ88l5ql_FQ

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
1:35 pm

OOPS bad…real bad…
That should have been “if you remember that all of Williams women are really men…”

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
1:38 pm

AmVet

You mean Jay’s blog isn’t the entire nation? Just ask us… :-)

Advanced Auto Diagnostics

September 26th, 2010
1:42 pm

Mechanic: I’ve checked the intake and exhaust and fuel flow and pressure and basically everything seems to be working properly. I’d say you’re good to go and I’ll go ahead and schedule you for your age 55 checkup. By the way, why do you come to me instead of to a doctor?

Car Owner: Well, you do the same thing for a lot less and you even give me a warranty.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 26th, 2010
1:51 pm

Some people know as much about auto mechanics as they do about how to slack power lines.

Off to watch the ballgame. Y’all (note proper ‘ placement) have fun.

Christine McDonnell's Subconscious Thoughts

September 26th, 2010
1:55 pm

You bunch of evolutionaries,

I was merely posing an answer in the form of a question. It was not an issue to be paraded around a bunch of master debaters. Now pardon me while I sit a spell, on you. Where’s Sarah when I need her most.

AmVet

September 26th, 2010
1:55 pm

jt, at least Uncle Sam didn’t singlehandedly devastate (illegally kept or otherwise) turtle populations like he destroyed the sardine business. (grin)

jo, though your acclaim on today’s topics is very high hereabouts, I don’t think it goes that far!

For no other reason than I missed Friday night…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agWpGKg0u3g

Advanced Auto Diagnostics

September 26th, 2010
1:59 pm

Bye Hillbilly,

ya’ll come back now, ya heah.

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
1:59 pm

AmVet

Not only am I pre-Darwinian, I’m pre-Copernican…the universe revolves (AND evolves) around ME!

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
2:02 pm

“ya’ll come back now, ya heah.”

He will. Note the placement of the apostrophe! :-)

Advanced Auto Diagnostics

September 26th, 2010
2:12 pm

Note the placement of the apostrophe!

Ya, I noted the placement.

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
2:15 pm

Advanced

:-) Native speaker, er ya?

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
2:24 pm

Back in a bit to see what the thread has evolved into…wait make that mutated into…teenage ninja turtles perhaps…ya’ll’ll be civil, now, won’t cha?

Jay

September 26th, 2010
2:24 pm

Whiner, your feces-flinging has ended.

Kamchak

September 26th, 2010
2:29 pm

TaxPayer

September 26th, 2010
2:36 pm

My hope hath been rejuvenated. Ya’ll have a good day.

Southern Comfort

September 26th, 2010
2:40 pm

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
2:42 pm

“Whiner, your feces-flinging has ended.”

Killjoy! :-)

getalife

September 26th, 2010
2:44 pm

BADA BING

September 26th, 2010
2:46 pm

On the Dr.- mechanic theme…..A mechanic was trying to convince a Dr. that their work was similar. The mech stated that he diagnosed the problem with state-of-the-art equipment, planned a course of operation, and then skillfully fixed the problem. The Dr. agreed up to a point, then added “Next time you change a headgasket, try going in through the tailpipe while the engine is running”!

Mary Elizabeth

September 26th, 2010
2:56 pm

Hi Josef (1:34 p.m.)
I realize that Williams was homosexual and that his women were men, as you say. To me, it matters little whether his characters are all women or all men. I tend to think in terms of forces rather than divisions of gender, race, nationalities, etc. etc. (BTW, I was a theatre major and did summer stock with Alan Alda, in my youth. He was the “star”; I was the apprentice, stagehand, sometimes actor. :-) Some of of my favorite people have been homosexuals. I just see them as individuals, good and bad – affinity for some – not for others – like with any other group I encounter.)
I would be very interested in what Williams said to you in your conversation with him. Stanley (Brando’s character) looks out for number one, i.e., with wanting the profits from the lost plantation and with his physical needs. All characters judge Blanche by her sexual unorthodoxy rather than by the sensitivity and imagination in her heart – which they seem to think is relatively unimportant, led by the brute force in Brando’s self serving psyche. He, of course, rapes not only Blanche’s body but her mind and spirit when she loses sanity at the end. (Williams sister, as you know, had difficulty with sanity.)
More than whether I personally want a Stella or a Stanley or a Blanche in my life, is a question I want to ask: Where do we want to see our world evolve – to one that looks after “number one” primarily, or one that practices kindness, even the “kindness of strangers?” Do we want a world dominated by the brute forces of domination of one over another or, instead, one that fosters the “blooming” of each soul on Earth? In the end, no matter how drawn Stella is to Stanley sexually, a physical plane – she rejects him because of his utter dominance and cruelty in destroying Blanche. She rises to insight of a spiritual level.

Jay

September 26th, 2010
2:59 pm

Barry, link to pictures in which the Democratic Party depicts “Sarah Palin and other GOP’ers with Hitler mustaches.”

That’s your claim; let’s see your evidence.

Southern Comfort

September 26th, 2010
3:19 pm

That’s your claim; let’s see your evidence.

You have a better chance of walking into a polar bear when you get off work.

Just sayin…

Bruno

September 26th, 2010
3:52 pm

From the scanning that I have done in Wikipedia on the epigenomes you mentioned, it appears, in a brief, first reading, that societal changes (behavioral) can, in fact, change the physiology of the DNA passed to future generations – and, thus, effect the course of evolution.

Mary Elizabeth–The specificity and rapidity of biological adaptation suggests to me that it is intelligent adaptation. The only structure in an organism which can coordinate such a rapid, intelligent change which leads to long-term genetic change is the epigenome. If Staphylococcus aureus, for example, had to wait around for a fortuitous random genetic mutation which conferred immunity to the effects of penicillin or methicillin to one or two individuals, they would have died out as a species. The fact is, whatever new drug we use to kill them, they develop immunity fairly rapidly.

But when circumstances change in the environment and those circumstances favor members of the species with a particular genetic mutation

Doggone–The “traditional” mechanism by which genetic change is supposed to occur is “random genetic mutation.” I don’t know about you, but it doesn’t pass the smell test to me. To believe that the incredible atomic/molecular complexity which is required for life to occur simply happened by accident is a leap of faith that I’m not prepared to make. The bottom line is that no one knows the answer, yet arrogant “scientist” claim they do and create paperwork which they give to each other to “prove” it.

Honu

September 26th, 2010
3:58 pm

Go Steelers!!! WOO HOOTY HOO!!! :-)

getalife

September 26th, 2010
4:01 pm

Bruno

September 26th, 2010
4:05 pm

Jay, if you poke your head back in, I would like to propose the following change to my statement last night:

“Anyone with a background in biochemistry and physics should understand that the complexity represented by living organisms cannot be the result of any random process.”

A human, for example, is estimated to have between 50,000,000,000,000 and 75,000,000,000,000 individual cells. This works out to about 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 individual atoms. Anyone who claims that 7 X 10^27 atoms working in unison can be the result of some kind of accident has to be deliberately myopic, IMO.

Note that I said a background in BOTH biochemistry AND physics. One or the other doesn’t capture the vastness of what’s going on.

Bruno

September 26th, 2010
4:08 pm

Well, my 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms need to get back to packing. Catch you all later.

Don't Forget

September 26th, 2010
4:28 pm

No offense Bruno, but you obviously don’t understand natural selection and the huge amount of time that was involved. Yes there is tremendous complexity but that complexity results from an accumulation of changes over a great deal of time. It may not be intuitive but it makes sense if you think about it long enough.

AmVet

September 26th, 2010
4:38 pm

Nice job Falcons. beating the reigning champs in their own house.

And the serially castigated whiner is consistent. Consistently wrong.

He reminds me of that poster where one arrow has split another but both are off of the target completely.

It reads, “Consistency. Its Only a Virtue if You’re Not a Screwup.”

Mary Elizabeth

September 26th, 2010
5:05 pm

Bruno 3:52 p.m. Thank you, again, for the insight of a substantive possibility in evolutionary thought.

In my view, President Obama is an evolved human being who is trying to minimize those forces of “brute power” in this world, while emphasizing the “blooming of each soul,” (see my 2:56). Social programs such as heathcare for all, education for all, tax policies which serve the common good, while creating jobs for all, change the American mindset from one which is essentially self-serving (”I’ve gotten mine.”) to one in which citizens value joining together to benefit all, including themselves.
Forgive me if I bow out now. Not in the mood for intense debate on this subject, but I did want to connect theoretical thought on evolutionary choices to our immediate choices in the voting booth. They
very well may be related. I believe they are.
Have a remainder of a wonderful weekend, all.

Del

September 26th, 2010
5:09 pm

A great Falcon’s win. This win could spark some serious momentum through the regular season.

Doggone/GA

September 26th, 2010
5:17 pm

“I don’t know about you, but it doesn’t pass the smell test to me.”

Your disbelief, and inablity to comprehend the truly complex nature of “random” genetic mutation does not negate the theory.

Don't Forget

September 26th, 2010
6:30 pm

RW-(the original)

September 26th, 2010
6:56 pm

Whiner, your feces-flinging has ended.

Good grief.

Southern Comfort

September 26th, 2010
6:59 pm

Interesting, but not surprising. There were many who opposed the health care bill. Most people took opposition at face value instead of digging deeper to find out why people opposed it. There were quite a few who opposed it because they didn’t like it, but I think there were just as many who opposed it because it didn’t do enough.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 26th, 2010
7:01 pm

Whiner, your feces-flinging has ended.

On most days, there’s at least a second flinger hiding behind the Grassy Knoll, in here.

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
7:05 pm

Mary Elizabeth

If you’re still around, I’m sorry to not have gotten back more promptly. I have a student on Sunday afternoons and had to get ready for her.

There is, as always in such cases, a story behind the story in how it came to be I had the conversation with Williams relative to Blanche, Stella, and Stanley. Since it involves some people who were in the public eye at the time and some of them still are, discretion, not to mention time and space, prohibit a retell. Suffice it to say it had to do with a scandalous happening to which Williams had been witness in which a prominent Stanley had been met by a Stella armed for bear–literally! I was interviewing him after his lecture and, one sidelight leading to another, he invited me to go have a few drinks and he’d tell me, off the record, what really happened. It was indeed one whale of a tale, full of all that stuff Southerners love.

The conversation turned to Streetcar and the Blanche du Bois syndrome when I remarked that, as a young gay man, I rejected that kindness of strangers pathos that had us trapped into a mentality of self-hatred. He then asked me what I thought of our fascination with the Stanleys of the world, was that what Stella or Blanche that really wanted? Were we not, in our setting our sights on a Stanley, buying into that very syndrome? Did we not, in the long run, have to wind up “protecting” that very thing we were trying to escape, victim to what the straight world demanded we be? His conclusion was that if we were to ever achieve tolerance (acceptance not even at issue and equality an alien concept at the time) it would be the younger generation–myself at the time–rejecting the Blanche syndrome as well as the Stella, for it was they who made Stanley what he was. Stanley agreed and Blanche and Stella agreed.

I said I found my Stanley in a more refined version. By that I mean a man who is comfortable with his maleness, finds no need to apologize for it, and who is as comfortable gutting a deer as he is in a symphony hall listening to Sibelius. Stanley’s evolution, if you will, is the result of rejecting both Stella and Blanche’s version of what he should be and send them both packing into well-deserved oblivion. He had to quit buying into their game.

Southern Comfort

September 26th, 2010
7:07 pm

On most days, there’s at least a second flinger hiding behind the Grassy Knoll, in here.

How else would you explain the grass on that knoll being so green, even after all the traffic running thru it?

RW-(the original)

September 26th, 2010
7:14 pm

On most days, there’s at least a second flinger hiding behind the Grassy Knoll, in here.

There’s also one that stands right on the street corner flinging at anyone that passes by with nary a peep about it. I suspect this banning was more about the pointing out of the abject bias in these pages and the colorful language just became the excuse. That and the host on a power trip.

Anyway, I’ve been getting progressively scarce here and I think that’s a good trend to continue.

Catch y’all later.

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
7:27 pm

“Anyway, I’ve been getting progressively scarce here and I think that’s a good trend to continue.”

Oh, no! RW’ you’re a progressive? But… :-)

Del

September 26th, 2010
7:49 pm

“Interesting poll here”

The only thing interesting is the left wing spin. No, people reject Obama Care not because it didn’t go far enough, they reject it because of other reasons not least of which is its unintended cost consequence and concerns about potential degradation in the overall quality of this nations health care system.

josef nix

September 26th, 2010
7:52 pm

It’s been an interesting weekend hereabouts! Don’t know what the morning crew will do without Andy to get them rolling…kinda sorry he got fired, but cutbacks must be hitting the troll sector, too..
have a good one…

Don't Forget

September 26th, 2010
8:28 pm

Del, there’s nothing factual in your statement. Did you run your own poll? Do you have polls that show a breakdown of what people are opposed to? Can you document the cost consequence’s you speak of? The CBO says otherwise. Can you provide any evidence of how or why this “degradation in the overall quality of this nation’s health care system” will occur?

Paulo977

September 26th, 2010
8:32 pm

Don’t Forget 6:30pm..Sure is interesting . I myself sensed that folks wanted something more substantial . I know my daughter who is Medical Director ( Pediatrics) in Texas , together with colleagues always were distressed because kids just disappeared from the radar because of the way Medicaid diqualified them when their parents managed to find petty jobs but could in no way afford health insurance!! The republican propaganda has been so deafening , however , that many people have been confused and have not really taken the time to explore what the bill offers.

Carrots and Raisin

September 26th, 2010
8:59 pm

Tucker has gone off the deep end and will not be satisfied until whitey has been “overthrown” and the likes of Obama and whomever her other heros are have taken control and permanently in charge.

Its persons like her who would seek to subvert govt thru her “fairness” doctrine. She now is about to fall over the precipice and be lumped in with the likes of Cythia McKinney and Maxine Waters. Such a waste.

Carrots and Raisin

September 26th, 2010
9:04 pm

When Ms Tucker was on Harballs with Chris Mathews she tosses in this statement to the affect of Obamas low approval numbers are due to whitey hating Obama because he is black and President. Sure there are those that think such, however, I submit those persons are few and far between.

Even Chris Mathews didnt know what to say. He just muttered “Thats so intersting”. Kinds like when Kanye stated “George Bush hates black people” and Mike Meyers was like a deer in the headlights. Completely unnecessary and uncalled for.

Nice of her to begin the alienation of those who would wish her success. What a evil, little, mean person this Ms Tucker is.

Southern Comfort

September 26th, 2010
9:07 pm

Del

So what you’re saying is that the far left who wanted the public option liked what they got instead? I think not. I understand your view as a person who sees things from the right side, but you’re not completly correct because there were indeed people on the left who did not like the bill that was passed. And I honestly believe those on the left who did not like the bill were not in agreement with those on the right.

Mary Elizabeth

September 26th, 2010
9:09 pm

Josef (7:05 pm),
Thanks for that interesting and detailed response. What insightful thoughts from Williams. I think, because he wrote about evolution of humankind in the speech Blanche says to Stella, regarding Stanley, that he was not only speaking of the homosexual experience but also of humanity’s experience. I see Stanley as representative of the power forces of this world that most worship, as Stella and Blanche were “fascinated with” and “wanted” Stanley, as Williams said. Yes, Stanley fulfills Stella’s and Blanche expectations of what he should be, just as our world – as we presently know it – fulfills the need in humans to worship power – which can be brutal.
I do believe that our world is in the process of spiritual evolution as witnessed in the propelling force in humans to end segregation’s inherent inequality and now to end the homosexuals’ inequality.
As far back as I can remember in my life, I have “seen” others with eyes that looked at their souls, or spirits, not at their labels and divisions such as gender, race, ethnic group, religion, nationality. That vision has made me “different” to some. It is so gratifying – at this late point in my life – to see the world moving toward a similar consciousness, collectively. We become whole when we can make manifest in the world what we inherently are inside. James Baldwin, the black, homosexual, gifted writer fled to France so that he could live at peace in his own skin and so he would not kill someone. He wrote with a brutal honesty that helped others to grow in deeper understanding of what all humans are about inside.
When the South finally rejected Jim Crow, not only did the black man and woman “bloom” in their souls, the white man and woman did also. When we are strong enough to value love and nonviolence as we now do brute power, our world will bloom in spirit. I hope I get to see the lion lay down with the lamb.

AmVet

September 26th, 2010
9:15 pm

Fruitcake mystery meat, brilliant posts at 8:59 and 9:04. You are a credit to the Klan. Good job…

Carrots and Raisin

September 26th, 2010
9:18 pm

And Cynthia Tucker is a credit to the Black Panthers.

Carrots and Raisin

September 26th, 2010
9:19 pm

PS…Obama approval ratings now at 42%…down, down, down. I wonder whom he and Ms Tucker will blame for this latest decline.

Carrots and Raisin

September 26th, 2010
9:24 pm

Im sure with the latest abysmal Obama approval ratings Ms Tucker is probably at this time crushing her teeth on a box of nails. I submit Ms Tucker should retire from her cushy job of lauching unprovoked illogical attacks on all that disagree with her and seek out a real job like the ones here heros hold.

The migrant worker.
The minimum wage french fry cook.
The Hartsfield International Airport baggage handler.

For these are her chosen people and with whom she would find an accepting audience for her racist views and bigotry.

Carrots and Raisin

September 26th, 2010
9:27 pm

Watching the Reps dismantle this farce of an HCare bill will so entertaining. Something to wile away the cold winter months. Add to that the Blue Dogs current stance, who are fighting to save their necks, and we have a recipe for success…REPEAL!!

Dusty

September 26th, 2010
9:33 pm

Well, I’m BACK! (Isn’t it awful when you come back and nobody knows you’ve been gone!!!) But what a great vacation, my friends! If you haven’t heard the ocean strumming along with its gentle waves while you gather the quiet morning mist around you and the sun timidly edges a ray of gold over the horizon, you haven’t lived!! That great wonderful golden ball then gently nudges its way into the azure sky in a pure burst of glory. It lays a path of gold right to YOU… Magnificence awakening the morning!! I loved it.

But back to the nitty gritty and the dirty dozen of these Sunday solemnities. An interesting group indeed, It is like reading the walls in the rest room mixed with the solemn pronouncements of pseudo scientists and preacher folk. Throw in a few snakes and sardines to play with the baboons and success is assured.!! A toast to you, dear hearts. You are one crazy bunch Evolution at its finest!!!

Dusty

September 26th, 2010
10:07 pm

Carrots and Raisins,

You have thrown in everything you have in this salad but the pineapple and the mayonaise. . What in the world upsets you so terribly? Tucker is but another liberal editor who follows the well known path of derogatory indictments of phony baloney to smear the political opponents of their party. .

I don’t care for her smear philosophy anymore than I care for Bookman’s not-so-subtle undercuts. But it is a very old method of character assassination and antiquated in its dismal direction.. Relax!

The one most harmed by such shenanigans is Mz Tucker herself. It shows her throwaway of jounalistic ethics for the political push.

Allow her to “hang” herself as the expression goes. But do not waste your bile or blood pressure because that is exactly what she wants. Don’t give her the satisfaction of public attention she so desires..

Southern Comfort

September 26th, 2010
10:24 pm

I don’t care for her smear philosophy anymore than I care for Bookman’s not-so-subtle undercuts. But it is a very old method of character assassination and antiquated in its dismal direction.. Relax!

You state that like it’s a one-sided policy. I hate to spoil your vision of Utopia, but that operational style exists on both sides of the political and editorial spectrum. To call out one as opposed to both is bit disingenuous. However, as is the case on most of the ajc blogs, no one wants to shed light on the shortcomings of the group that represents their political leanings.

Paulo977

September 26th, 2010
10:50 pm

Carrots and
Raisin ….. Are you for real? I cringe at your lack of appreciation for the various occupations in the society that we could not do without . In addition you are an out and out BIGOT!

Dusty

September 26th, 2010
11:16 pm

SoCo,

I know that it is done on both sides of the political arena. But after eight years of Bush vitriol I believe liberals use the poison pen more vociferously. Carrots and Raisin has been talking about Cynthia Tucker and I refer to her politics and her method de jour.

Do you see any difference in the writings of Kyle and Wooten as compared to Bookman and Tucker? I do. Inflamatory opinions may get the most attention but it is still not the best in journalism. It’s like comparing the Enquirer “method” to that of the Wall Street Journal. Not quite the same quality but may get more attention.

The largest newspaper in Georgia is the ‘AJC” and it has a liberal reputation. That is due in large part to Tucker, Lucko & Bookman. They were hired for their liberal views and they are following their job description. If there is a Utopia of liberal journalism of sorts it is right here in Georgia. Too bad that is the politics of its publisher, not that of Georgia. .

Carrots and Raisin

September 26th, 2010
11:29 pm

LOL…takes one to know one Paulo…LMAO!!

Carrots and Raisin

September 26th, 2010
11:33 pm

Interesting. Once again the AJC in its ultimate STUPIDITY blocks my last 4 postings about one of their stellar employees. And yet there was no cursing, no sidewinding attempts to alter fact or fiction. Only the truth.

I guess that, the truth/fact, is something AJC trashed long ago. Atlanta needs a new newspaper and the sooner the better.

Carrots and Raisin

September 26th, 2010
11:41 pm

Hopefully when the Reps take back the House this monstrosity named HCare can be tossed on the trashpile of History.

HCare…kinda like the mutant Sharktopus that got away.

Southern Comfort

September 26th, 2010
11:41 pm

Do you see any difference in the writings of Kyle and Wooten as compared to Bookman and Tucker?

Nope. I see partisan opinion writers defending the thinking and actions of their respective parties. If you really want to compare the writings of the different groups, I think there are far more people intent on attacking the liberal point of view and writers as opposed to defending the conservative points or writers.

Sure, there are defenders and detractors of each writer. However, if you look at the sheer volume of responses that each writer elicits, there’s no mistaking who generates more conversation. You can subtract a good portion of the comments here as there are often side conversations that do not relate to the topic at hand. Even then, Bookman draws more of a conversation than either Wooten or Kyle. C Tucker’s blog is a world of it’s own. I think she has her own personal hate club established somewhere in GA with many chapters throughout the South.

The responses to the liberal blogs versus the conservative blogs could be due to “liberal bias” of the AJC. However, in a state as conservative as Georgia, you would think that the conservative writers would be more of a draw.

Carrots and Raisin

September 26th, 2010
11:44 pm

With the latest Unemployment numbers being at around 9.6% I guess the question is why Ms Nasty Pelosi isnt rumbling about those who have dropped off the headcount and/or those who have just given up.

As I recall, during the Bush years, Ms Pelosi was the first to come out screaming like a rabid banjee about same. Guess she must have now forgotten about all those poor lost souls. How sad…

Don't Forget

September 27th, 2010
12:04 am

Carrots and Raisin

September 26th, 2010
11:29 pm
LOL…takes one to know one Paulo…LMAO!!

——————————————————————-
Good lord, are you 12 years old or what?

Kamchak

September 27th, 2010
6:33 am

Do you see any difference in the writings of Kyle and Wooten as compared to Bookman and Tucker? I do.

No kidding.

:roll:

Obsession

September 27th, 2010
6:43 am

It’s less than subtle aromas of dried California sunshine and freshly shredded cylindrical orange tubers are all the rage.

GOP is Gone

September 27th, 2010
7:51 am

Saw her at The Ferst Center at GT. She brought the house down. The last one to sing of 4 amazing female singers. The woman has some pipes with a capital P.

stands for decibels

September 27th, 2010
7:58 am

Some Monday-morning depressing-as-hell, really-wish-it-didn’t-ring-true punditry for ya: Red food vs. blue food.

The “carrot eaters vs. Real American french fry eaters” is actually a perfect hot button for Beck and company to push repeatedly, for a number of reasons. There’s the financial support they can expect from the fast food industry that is feeding right wing PR firms cash to spread this culture war freak out. Just as importantly, workaday wingnuts are already all over this. Healthy eating is equated with femininity, and eating crap with masculinity, and wingnuts are nothing if not masculinity worshipers. But it’s not just masculinity, it’s an anxious masculinity that is always prowling around for threats to itself. Thus, anything that could be seen as nurturing, mothering, or construed as “nagging” is treated like an especially emasculating threat that has to be guarded against with an overreaction that is considered quite masculine despite being unbelievably childish. Michelle Obama running a campaign where she’s in a position of reminding people that junk food, if consumed to excess (which it mostly is), is bad for your health?

For the “above all, piss off the liberals” crowd, that’s an invitation to act like a 4-year-old who does something he didn’t even really want to do, just to defy his mother who told him not to do it.

Tamye Bobbye

September 27th, 2010
7:59 am

Please extrapolate on the reason you hate health care reform. Not just a generalized Rush parroting please. What is bad about getting rid of pre-existing conditions, extending coverage to 26 year old off spring and not being able to cancel someone when they actually need the coverage they paid for for many years?

If you really want something to rail on, try the fact that over 50% of Americans are obese. That is what keeps health care so expensive. Or as is recently reported that soon it will be 75%. Try making health care more expensive for the obese and smokers. Why should I pay for their bad choices? Hey I love brownies just as much as the next girl, but I choose to exercise and eat in moderation.

Insurance carries don’t hate the health care bill. It will give them MORE business when young people have to pay in.

Just maybe then young people will decide to not get fat in the first place.

stands for decibels

September 27th, 2010
8:00 am

See also: BK’s latest Double Down tv adverts.

stands for decibels

September 27th, 2010
8:00 am

Sorry, that’s KFC with the Double Downer, I meant to type @ 8.00.

stands for decibels

September 27th, 2010
8:01 am

the fact that over 50% of Americans are obese.

why do you hate our freedom to eat crap and get no exercise during the course of a typical day?

Tamye Bobbye

September 27th, 2010
8:03 am

SFD,

Yeah, there is nothing more masculine and sexier than a huge french fry beer gut. Well maybe a crazy sexy 44 inch waisted mullet wearer.

stands for decibels

September 27th, 2010
8:05 am

Skimming the comments upthread, I do have to wonder what Whiner actually posted above and beyond his usual poop-flinging to get himself ejected. I know that he gets especially emotional when it comes to the topic of biological evolution, but he usually manages to keep it to a medium-high boil…

Southern Comfort

September 27th, 2010
8:09 am

G’ morning

dB

I don’t know either. Seems like he was being his usual self. I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary either, unless a post was pulled.

Doggone/GA

September 27th, 2010
8:10 am

sfd – I don’t know what he said, since I seldom read his stuff…but it must have been pretty bad to get Jay to the point of banning him.

stands for decibels

September 27th, 2010
8:14 am

young people will decide to not get fat in the first place.

Tamye, I could spend several hours getting into the weeds of this particular topic, but for now I’ll just say that while there are certainly personal choices and decisions involved, it’s not some weird collective character flaw that has so many USA-ians overweight and out of shape.

it’s a historical backdrop of postwar American incentives to develop unsustainably, where far-flung ‘burbs filled with landlocked subdivisions and no mass transit and no means by which children can get their butts to school under their own power… AND a filthy-rotten agribusiness and other business interests pushing garbage down our throats as well. Of course people have choices to resist, but like (say) religious beliefs inculcated at a very early age, these physicological settings can be unbelievably difficult to adjust.

(and I write this as someone who is probably a lot fitter than most of my own demographic group, so I’m not saying this to make any excuses for myself. Although I could be a lot faster/stronger than I am, actually.)

stands for decibels

September 27th, 2010
8:14 am

I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary either, unless a post was pulled.

I assume something was pulled, likely of an intensely personal nature.

Southern Comfort

September 27th, 2010
8:17 am

Although I could be a lot faster/stronger than I am, actually

All it takes is to have a bad crash and let the government rebuild you. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7zNY0I5JNI

Southern Comfort

September 27th, 2010
8:17 am

stands for decibels

September 27th, 2010
8:19 am

It’s ok, SoCo–you didn’t need an accompanying clip, I got it!

Paul

September 27th, 2010
8:21 am

g’morning, all -

Healthcare? Here’s an interesting moral question, extracted from a McClatchey wire service article this morning. Seems several new cancer drugs are due to hit the market quite soon, costing about $100,000 a year. They provide about four months extension of life. They’ll be on Medicare’s list of approved treatments.

Should taxpayers pay $100.000 for a Medicare recipient with uncurable cancer to receive another four months’ life?

RW-(the original)

September 27th, 2010
8:21 am

sfd & Doggone,

It appears to have stemmed from the 1:13/1:20 stuff from yesterday that’s still posted. It’s pretty effed up that Jay B has everyone believing that if he bans someone then they must have said something else that was both deserving of a banning and also pulled down to spare the tender sensibilities of the rest of us.

Paul

September 27th, 2010
8:24 am

And if it’s too early for that, it definitely isn’t too early for this! :-)

http://tinyurl.com/2bqt6vl

Southern Comfort

September 27th, 2010
8:24 am

dB

No problem. I used to love that intro. I always wanted to run on a treadmill like that. :)

Paul

Who’s to say that the person would actually live a full four months when given the drug. On the opposing side, would limiting the treatment options (even if it is a fiscally responsible decision) be akin to making death panel decisions?

stands for decibels

September 27th, 2010
8:27 am

RW, while I’m accustomed to the kind of over-the-top nasty generalizations exemplified by the 1.13 and 1.20 post you referenced, I assume it was something decidedly nastier than that. If, however, that’s really all it was, I would agree with you that Jay over-reacted. But, as someone who’s been red-carded by the guy myself (once! only once! that I remember!) I don’t think that’s all it was.

Real Scooter

September 27th, 2010
8:27 am

Enter your comments here

RW-(the original)

September 27th, 2010
8:28 am

I don’t think that’s all it was.

Like I said, Jay has you guys convinced.

Later

Real Scooter

September 27th, 2010
8:30 am

Dang,I’m having techno problems this AM. Good morn all.

Southern Comfort

September 27th, 2010
8:30 am

RW

If that was all that was said, I’d also agree there was an over-reaction. However, who’s gonna give the blog host an unsportsman-like conduct penalty? Ultimately, it’s his blog… his rules…

Jay

September 27th, 2010
8:36 am

Just so there’s no false impression regarding Whiner:

I took nothing down. He was banned, at least for a while, for what you see posted and to some degree for what he’s been posting for years.

Paul

September 27th, 2010
8:41 am

morning SoCom

I went back to the newspaper’s online edition and they had an abbreviated article. I checked other sources – seems papers pull the report then add their own information, tailored to their audiences. Here’s an article that closely matches what I read:

http://heraldsun.com/view/full_story/9671754/article-A–93K-cancer-drug–How-much-is-a-life-worth-?instance=main_article

I’d imagine those times were determined during the drug trials. They were represented as averages, which means, given a four-month estimate, the max would be likely less than a year. BTW – there’s MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, again. I’ve a great deal of gratitude for those folks -

stands for decibels

September 27th, 2010
8:42 am

Jay, like I say all the time, your blog, your rules–and I don’t read the personal comments people send you about this place, so I don’t know how much pushback you got from readers about IR/YW.

I didn’t really think his comments yesterday were especially stupid by IR/YW’s standards. If they were the straw that broke the camel’s back, hey, we all have our limits.

headin’ upstairs.

Paul

September 27th, 2010
8:43 am

Jay

Someone has to be the final authority when standards are established, if standards are to mean anything. It’s your blog, your rules, your decision.

Thanks.

Southern Comfort

September 27th, 2010
8:47 am

Paul

Also, I think that question is best answered when it’s your own life on the line. Some people would choose to have the drug, and there would be some who would not want it. I think it’s all a personal choice. Either way, there’s no right answer.

Don't Forget

September 27th, 2010
10:01 am

SFD, relax, we have a secret weapon that whips french fries rear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW1j-kFGYaY&feature=related