‘cuz the devil knows your weakness, son!
One night, years ago, I wandered into this little jazz club in Seattle, and up on the stage at the end of the darkened room was this chunky little blind white girl, all by herself, playin’ piano and singing.
And she was just ROCKIN’ it!!
I turned to this guy standing at the doorway and gave him a “What the hell is THIS!?!?” look. He looked back at me, grinned and shook his head. He didn’t know what the hell it was either, except that it was damn good.
That girl, it turned out, was a young Dianne Schuur. Here she is doing one of my favorite songs, about Satan’s temptation of one “Reverend Lee.” The choice seems appropriate, given one of the week’s top story lines.
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Jay
September 26th, 2010
2:24 pm
Whiner, your feces-flinging has ended.
Kamchak
September 26th, 2010
2:29 pm
Red card.
TaxPayer
September 26th, 2010
2:36 pm
My hope hath been rejuvenated. Ya’ll have a good day.
Southern Comfort
September 26th, 2010
2:40 pm
LOL!!!!!!
josef nix
September 26th, 2010
2:42 pm
“Whiner, your feces-flinging has ended.”
Killjoy!
getalife
September 26th, 2010
2:44 pm
Who dat?
BADA BING
September 26th, 2010
2:46 pm
On the Dr.- mechanic theme…..A mechanic was trying to convince a Dr. that their work was similar. The mech stated that he diagnosed the problem with state-of-the-art equipment, planned a course of operation, and then skillfully fixed the problem. The Dr. agreed up to a point, then added “Next time you change a headgasket, try going in through the tailpipe while the engine is running”!
Mary Elizabeth
September 26th, 2010
2:56 pm
Hi Josef (1:34 p.m.)
Some of of my favorite people have been homosexuals. I just see them as individuals, good and bad – affinity for some – not for others – like with any other group I encounter.)
I realize that Williams was homosexual and that his women were men, as you say. To me, it matters little whether his characters are all women or all men. I tend to think in terms of forces rather than divisions of gender, race, nationalities, etc. etc. (BTW, I was a theatre major and did summer stock with Alan Alda, in my youth. He was the “star”; I was the apprentice, stagehand, sometimes actor.
I would be very interested in what Williams said to you in your conversation with him. Stanley (Brando’s character) looks out for number one, i.e., with wanting the profits from the lost plantation and with his physical needs. All characters judge Blanche by her sexual unorthodoxy rather than by the sensitivity and imagination in her heart – which they seem to think is relatively unimportant, led by the brute force in Brando’s self serving psyche. He, of course, rapes not only Blanche’s body but her mind and spirit when she loses sanity at the end. (Williams sister, as you know, had difficulty with sanity.)
More than whether I personally want a Stella or a Stanley or a Blanche in my life, is a question I want to ask: Where do we want to see our world evolve – to one that looks after “number one” primarily, or one that practices kindness, even the “kindness of strangers?” Do we want a world dominated by the brute forces of domination of one over another or, instead, one that fosters the “blooming” of each soul on Earth? In the end, no matter how drawn Stella is to Stanley sexually, a physical plane – she rejects him because of his utter dominance and cruelty in destroying Blanche. She rises to insight of a spiritual level.
Jay
September 26th, 2010
2:59 pm
Barry, link to pictures in which the Democratic Party depicts “Sarah Palin and other GOP’ers with Hitler mustaches.”
That’s your claim; let’s see your evidence.
Southern Comfort
September 26th, 2010
3:19 pm
That’s your claim; let’s see your evidence.
You have a better chance of walking into a polar bear when you get off work.
Just sayin…
Bruno
September 26th, 2010
3:52 pm
From the scanning that I have done in Wikipedia on the epigenomes you mentioned, it appears, in a brief, first reading, that societal changes (behavioral) can, in fact, change the physiology of the DNA passed to future generations – and, thus, effect the course of evolution.
Mary Elizabeth–The specificity and rapidity of biological adaptation suggests to me that it is intelligent adaptation. The only structure in an organism which can coordinate such a rapid, intelligent change which leads to long-term genetic change is the epigenome. If Staphylococcus aureus, for example, had to wait around for a fortuitous random genetic mutation which conferred immunity to the effects of penicillin or methicillin to one or two individuals, they would have died out as a species. The fact is, whatever new drug we use to kill them, they develop immunity fairly rapidly.
But when circumstances change in the environment and those circumstances favor members of the species with a particular genetic mutation
Doggone–The “traditional” mechanism by which genetic change is supposed to occur is “random genetic mutation.” I don’t know about you, but it doesn’t pass the smell test to me. To believe that the incredible atomic/molecular complexity which is required for life to occur simply happened by accident is a leap of faith that I’m not prepared to make. The bottom line is that no one knows the answer, yet arrogant “scientist” claim they do and create paperwork which they give to each other to “prove” it.
Honu
September 26th, 2010
3:58 pm
Go Steelers!!! WOO HOOTY HOO!!!
getalife
September 26th, 2010
4:01 pm
OT.
Bruno
September 26th, 2010
4:05 pm
Jay, if you poke your head back in, I would like to propose the following change to my statement last night:
“Anyone with a background in biochemistry and physics should understand that the complexity represented by living organisms cannot be the result of any random process.”
A human, for example, is estimated to have between 50,000,000,000,000 and 75,000,000,000,000 individual cells. This works out to about 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 individual atoms. Anyone who claims that 7 X 10^27 atoms working in unison can be the result of some kind of accident has to be deliberately myopic, IMO.
Note that I said a background in BOTH biochemistry AND physics. One or the other doesn’t capture the vastness of what’s going on.
Bruno
September 26th, 2010
4:08 pm
Well, my 7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms need to get back to packing. Catch you all later.
Don't Forget
September 26th, 2010
4:28 pm
No offense Bruno, but you obviously don’t understand natural selection and the huge amount of time that was involved. Yes there is tremendous complexity but that complexity results from an accumulation of changes over a great deal of time. It may not be intuitive but it makes sense if you think about it long enough.
AmVet
September 26th, 2010
4:38 pm
Nice job Falcons. beating the reigning champs in their own house.
And the serially castigated whiner is consistent. Consistently wrong.
He reminds me of that poster where one arrow has split another but both are off of the target completely.
It reads, “Consistency. Its Only a Virtue if You’re Not a Screwup.”
Mary Elizabeth
September 26th, 2010
5:05 pm
Bruno 3:52 p.m. Thank you, again, for the insight of a substantive possibility in evolutionary thought.
In my view, President Obama is an evolved human being who is trying to minimize those forces of “brute power” in this world, while emphasizing the “blooming of each soul,” (see my 2:56). Social programs such as heathcare for all, education for all, tax policies which serve the common good, while creating jobs for all, change the American mindset from one which is essentially self-serving (”I’ve gotten mine.”) to one in which citizens value joining together to benefit all, including themselves.
Forgive me if I bow out now. Not in the mood for intense debate on this subject, but I did want to connect theoretical thought on evolutionary choices to our immediate choices in the voting booth. They
very well may be related. I believe they are.
Have a remainder of a wonderful weekend, all.
Del
September 26th, 2010
5:09 pm
A great Falcon’s win. This win could spark some serious momentum through the regular season.
Doggone/GA
September 26th, 2010
5:17 pm
“I don’t know about you, but it doesn’t pass the smell test to me.”
Your disbelief, and inablity to comprehend the truly complex nature of “random” genetic mutation does not negate the theory.
Don't Forget
September 26th, 2010
6:30 pm
Interesting poll here
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39369615/ns/health-health_care/
RW-(the original)
September 26th, 2010
6:56 pm
Whiner, your feces-flinging has ended.
Good grief.
Southern Comfort
September 26th, 2010
6:59 pm
Interesting, but not surprising. There were many who opposed the health care bill. Most people took opposition at face value instead of digging deeper to find out why people opposed it. There were quite a few who opposed it because they didn’t like it, but I think there were just as many who opposed it because it didn’t do enough.
Hillbilly Deluxe
September 26th, 2010
7:01 pm
Whiner, your feces-flinging has ended.
On most days, there’s at least a second flinger hiding behind the Grassy Knoll, in here.
josef nix
September 26th, 2010
7:05 pm
Mary Elizabeth
If you’re still around, I’m sorry to not have gotten back more promptly. I have a student on Sunday afternoons and had to get ready for her.
There is, as always in such cases, a story behind the story in how it came to be I had the conversation with Williams relative to Blanche, Stella, and Stanley. Since it involves some people who were in the public eye at the time and some of them still are, discretion, not to mention time and space, prohibit a retell. Suffice it to say it had to do with a scandalous happening to which Williams had been witness in which a prominent Stanley had been met by a Stella armed for bear–literally! I was interviewing him after his lecture and, one sidelight leading to another, he invited me to go have a few drinks and he’d tell me, off the record, what really happened. It was indeed one whale of a tale, full of all that stuff Southerners love.
The conversation turned to Streetcar and the Blanche du Bois syndrome when I remarked that, as a young gay man, I rejected that kindness of strangers pathos that had us trapped into a mentality of self-hatred. He then asked me what I thought of our fascination with the Stanleys of the world, was that what Stella or Blanche that really wanted? Were we not, in our setting our sights on a Stanley, buying into that very syndrome? Did we not, in the long run, have to wind up “protecting” that very thing we were trying to escape, victim to what the straight world demanded we be? His conclusion was that if we were to ever achieve tolerance (acceptance not even at issue and equality an alien concept at the time) it would be the younger generation–myself at the time–rejecting the Blanche syndrome as well as the Stella, for it was they who made Stanley what he was. Stanley agreed and Blanche and Stella agreed.
I said I found my Stanley in a more refined version. By that I mean a man who is comfortable with his maleness, finds no need to apologize for it, and who is as comfortable gutting a deer as he is in a symphony hall listening to Sibelius. Stanley’s evolution, if you will, is the result of rejecting both Stella and Blanche’s version of what he should be and send them both packing into well-deserved oblivion. He had to quit buying into their game.
Southern Comfort
September 26th, 2010
7:07 pm
On most days, there’s at least a second flinger hiding behind the Grassy Knoll, in here.
How else would you explain the grass on that knoll being so green, even after all the traffic running thru it?
RW-(the original)
September 26th, 2010
7:14 pm
On most days, there’s at least a second flinger hiding behind the Grassy Knoll, in here.
There’s also one that stands right on the street corner flinging at anyone that passes by with nary a peep about it. I suspect this banning was more about the pointing out of the abject bias in these pages and the colorful language just became the excuse. That and the host on a power trip.
Anyway, I’ve been getting progressively scarce here and I think that’s a good trend to continue.
Catch y’all later.
josef nix
September 26th, 2010
7:27 pm
“Anyway, I’ve been getting progressively scarce here and I think that’s a good trend to continue.”
Oh, no! RW’ you’re a progressive? But…
Del
September 26th, 2010
7:49 pm
“Interesting poll here”
The only thing interesting is the left wing spin. No, people reject Obama Care not because it didn’t go far enough, they reject it because of other reasons not least of which is its unintended cost consequence and concerns about potential degradation in the overall quality of this nations health care system.
josef nix
September 26th, 2010
7:52 pm
It’s been an interesting weekend hereabouts! Don’t know what the morning crew will do without Andy to get them rolling…kinda sorry he got fired, but cutbacks must be hitting the troll sector, too..
have a good one…
Don't Forget
September 26th, 2010
8:28 pm
Del, there’s nothing factual in your statement. Did you run your own poll? Do you have polls that show a breakdown of what people are opposed to? Can you document the cost consequence’s you speak of? The CBO says otherwise. Can you provide any evidence of how or why this “degradation in the overall quality of this nation’s health care system” will occur?
Paulo977
September 26th, 2010
8:32 pm
Don’t Forget 6:30pm..Sure is interesting . I myself sensed that folks wanted something more substantial . I know my daughter who is Medical Director ( Pediatrics) in Texas , together with colleagues always were distressed because kids just disappeared from the radar because of the way Medicaid diqualified them when their parents managed to find petty jobs but could in no way afford health insurance!! The republican propaganda has been so deafening , however , that many people have been confused and have not really taken the time to explore what the bill offers.
Carrots and Raisin
September 26th, 2010
8:59 pm
Tucker has gone off the deep end and will not be satisfied until whitey has been “overthrown” and the likes of Obama and whomever her other heros are have taken control and permanently in charge.
Its persons like her who would seek to subvert govt thru her “fairness” doctrine. She now is about to fall over the precipice and be lumped in with the likes of Cythia McKinney and Maxine Waters. Such a waste.
Carrots and Raisin
September 26th, 2010
9:04 pm
When Ms Tucker was on Harballs with Chris Mathews she tosses in this statement to the affect of Obamas low approval numbers are due to whitey hating Obama because he is black and President. Sure there are those that think such, however, I submit those persons are few and far between.
Even Chris Mathews didnt know what to say. He just muttered “Thats so intersting”. Kinds like when Kanye stated “George Bush hates black people” and Mike Meyers was like a deer in the headlights. Completely unnecessary and uncalled for.
Nice of her to begin the alienation of those who would wish her success. What a evil, little, mean person this Ms Tucker is.
Southern Comfort
September 26th, 2010
9:07 pm
Del
So what you’re saying is that the far left who wanted the public option liked what they got instead? I think not. I understand your view as a person who sees things from the right side, but you’re not completly correct because there were indeed people on the left who did not like the bill that was passed. And I honestly believe those on the left who did not like the bill were not in agreement with those on the right.
Mary Elizabeth
September 26th, 2010
9:09 pm
Josef (7:05 pm),
Thanks for that interesting and detailed response. What insightful thoughts from Williams. I think, because he wrote about evolution of humankind in the speech Blanche says to Stella, regarding Stanley, that he was not only speaking of the homosexual experience but also of humanity’s experience. I see Stanley as representative of the power forces of this world that most worship, as Stella and Blanche were “fascinated with” and “wanted” Stanley, as Williams said. Yes, Stanley fulfills Stella’s and Blanche expectations of what he should be, just as our world – as we presently know it – fulfills the need in humans to worship power – which can be brutal.
I do believe that our world is in the process of spiritual evolution as witnessed in the propelling force in humans to end segregation’s inherent inequality and now to end the homosexuals’ inequality.
As far back as I can remember in my life, I have “seen” others with eyes that looked at their souls, or spirits, not at their labels and divisions such as gender, race, ethnic group, religion, nationality. That vision has made me “different” to some. It is so gratifying – at this late point in my life – to see the world moving toward a similar consciousness, collectively. We become whole when we can make manifest in the world what we inherently are inside. James Baldwin, the black, homosexual, gifted writer fled to France so that he could live at peace in his own skin and so he would not kill someone. He wrote with a brutal honesty that helped others to grow in deeper understanding of what all humans are about inside.
When the South finally rejected Jim Crow, not only did the black man and woman “bloom” in their souls, the white man and woman did also. When we are strong enough to value love and nonviolence as we now do brute power, our world will bloom in spirit. I hope I get to see the lion lay down with the lamb.
AmVet
September 26th, 2010
9:15 pm
Fruitcake mystery meat, brilliant posts at 8:59 and 9:04. You are a credit to the Klan. Good job…
Carrots and Raisin
September 26th, 2010
9:18 pm
And Cynthia Tucker is a credit to the Black Panthers.
Carrots and Raisin
September 26th, 2010
9:19 pm
PS…Obama approval ratings now at 42%…down, down, down. I wonder whom he and Ms Tucker will blame for this latest decline.
Carrots and Raisin
September 26th, 2010
9:24 pm
Im sure with the latest abysmal Obama approval ratings Ms Tucker is probably at this time crushing her teeth on a box of nails. I submit Ms Tucker should retire from her cushy job of lauching unprovoked illogical attacks on all that disagree with her and seek out a real job like the ones here heros hold.
The migrant worker.
The minimum wage french fry cook.
The Hartsfield International Airport baggage handler.
For these are her chosen people and with whom she would find an accepting audience for her racist views and bigotry.
Carrots and Raisin
September 26th, 2010
9:27 pm
Watching the Reps dismantle this farce of an HCare bill will so entertaining. Something to wile away the cold winter months. Add to that the Blue Dogs current stance, who are fighting to save their necks, and we have a recipe for success…REPEAL!!
Dusty
September 26th, 2010
9:33 pm
Well, I’m BACK! (Isn’t it awful when you come back and nobody knows you’ve been gone!!!) But what a great vacation, my friends! If you haven’t heard the ocean strumming along with its gentle waves while you gather the quiet morning mist around you and the sun timidly edges a ray of gold over the horizon, you haven’t lived!! That great wonderful golden ball then gently nudges its way into the azure sky in a pure burst of glory. It lays a path of gold right to YOU… Magnificence awakening the morning!! I loved it.
But back to the nitty gritty and the dirty dozen of these Sunday solemnities. An interesting group indeed, It is like reading the walls in the rest room mixed with the solemn pronouncements of pseudo scientists and preacher folk. Throw in a few snakes and sardines to play with the baboons and success is assured.!! A toast to you, dear hearts. You are one crazy bunch Evolution at its finest!!!
Dusty
September 26th, 2010
10:07 pm
Carrots and Raisins,
You have thrown in everything you have in this salad but the pineapple and the mayonaise. . What in the world upsets you so terribly? Tucker is but another liberal editor who follows the well known path of derogatory indictments of phony baloney to smear the political opponents of their party. .
I don’t care for her smear philosophy anymore than I care for Bookman’s not-so-subtle undercuts. But it is a very old method of character assassination and antiquated in its dismal direction.. Relax!
The one most harmed by such shenanigans is Mz Tucker herself. It shows her throwaway of jounalistic ethics for the political push.
Allow her to “hang” herself as the expression goes. But do not waste your bile or blood pressure because that is exactly what she wants. Don’t give her the satisfaction of public attention she so desires..
Southern Comfort
September 26th, 2010
10:24 pm
I don’t care for her smear philosophy anymore than I care for Bookman’s not-so-subtle undercuts. But it is a very old method of character assassination and antiquated in its dismal direction.. Relax!
You state that like it’s a one-sided policy. I hate to spoil your vision of Utopia, but that operational style exists on both sides of the political and editorial spectrum. To call out one as opposed to both is bit disingenuous. However, as is the case on most of the ajc blogs, no one wants to shed light on the shortcomings of the group that represents their political leanings.
Paulo977
September 26th, 2010
10:50 pm
Carrots and
Raisin ….. Are you for real? I cringe at your lack of appreciation for the various occupations in the society that we could not do without . In addition you are an out and out BIGOT!
Dusty
September 26th, 2010
11:16 pm
SoCo,
I know that it is done on both sides of the political arena. But after eight years of Bush vitriol I believe liberals use the poison pen more vociferously. Carrots and Raisin has been talking about Cynthia Tucker and I refer to her politics and her method de jour.
Do you see any difference in the writings of Kyle and Wooten as compared to Bookman and Tucker? I do. Inflamatory opinions may get the most attention but it is still not the best in journalism. It’s like comparing the Enquirer “method” to that of the Wall Street Journal. Not quite the same quality but may get more attention.
The largest newspaper in Georgia is the ‘AJC” and it has a liberal reputation. That is due in large part to Tucker, Lucko & Bookman. They were hired for their liberal views and they are following their job description. If there is a Utopia of liberal journalism of sorts it is right here in Georgia. Too bad that is the politics of its publisher, not that of Georgia. .
Carrots and Raisin
September 26th, 2010
11:29 pm
LOL…takes one to know one Paulo…LMAO!!
Carrots and Raisin
September 26th, 2010
11:33 pm
Interesting. Once again the AJC in its ultimate STUPIDITY blocks my last 4 postings about one of their stellar employees. And yet there was no cursing, no sidewinding attempts to alter fact or fiction. Only the truth.
I guess that, the truth/fact, is something AJC trashed long ago. Atlanta needs a new newspaper and the sooner the better.
Carrots and Raisin
September 26th, 2010
11:41 pm
Hopefully when the Reps take back the House this monstrosity named HCare can be tossed on the trashpile of History.
HCare…kinda like the mutant Sharktopus that got away.
Southern Comfort
September 26th, 2010
11:41 pm
Do you see any difference in the writings of Kyle and Wooten as compared to Bookman and Tucker?
Nope. I see partisan opinion writers defending the thinking and actions of their respective parties. If you really want to compare the writings of the different groups, I think there are far more people intent on attacking the liberal point of view and writers as opposed to defending the conservative points or writers.
Sure, there are defenders and detractors of each writer. However, if you look at the sheer volume of responses that each writer elicits, there’s no mistaking who generates more conversation. You can subtract a good portion of the comments here as there are often side conversations that do not relate to the topic at hand. Even then, Bookman draws more of a conversation than either Wooten or Kyle. C Tucker’s blog is a world of it’s own. I think she has her own personal hate club established somewhere in GA with many chapters throughout the South.
The responses to the liberal blogs versus the conservative blogs could be due to “liberal bias” of the AJC. However, in a state as conservative as Georgia, you would think that the conservative writers would be more of a draw.
Carrots and Raisin
September 26th, 2010
11:44 pm
With the latest Unemployment numbers being at around 9.6% I guess the question is why Ms Nasty Pelosi isnt rumbling about those who have dropped off the headcount and/or those who have just given up.
As I recall, during the Bush years, Ms Pelosi was the first to come out screaming like a rabid banjee about same. Guess she must have now forgotten about all those poor lost souls. How sad…
Don't Forget
September 27th, 2010
12:04 am
Carrots and Raisin
September 26th, 2010
11:29 pm
LOL…takes one to know one Paulo…LMAO!!
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Good lord, are you 12 years old or what?
Kamchak
September 27th, 2010
6:33 am
Do you see any difference in the writings of Kyle and Wooten as compared to Bookman and Tucker? I do.
No kidding.
Obsession
September 27th, 2010
6:43 am
It’s less than subtle aromas of dried California sunshine and freshly shredded cylindrical orange tubers are all the rage.
GOP is Gone
September 27th, 2010
7:51 am
Saw her at The Ferst Center at GT. She brought the house down. The last one to sing of 4 amazing female singers. The woman has some pipes with a capital P.
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2010
7:58 am
Some Monday-morning depressing-as-hell, really-wish-it-didn’t-ring-true punditry for ya: Red food vs. blue food.
The “carrot eaters vs. Real American french fry eaters” is actually a perfect hot button for Beck and company to push repeatedly, for a number of reasons. There’s the financial support they can expect from the fast food industry that is feeding right wing PR firms cash to spread this culture war freak out. Just as importantly, workaday wingnuts are already all over this. Healthy eating is equated with femininity, and eating crap with masculinity, and wingnuts are nothing if not masculinity worshipers. But it’s not just masculinity, it’s an anxious masculinity that is always prowling around for threats to itself. Thus, anything that could be seen as nurturing, mothering, or construed as “nagging” is treated like an especially emasculating threat that has to be guarded against with an overreaction that is considered quite masculine despite being unbelievably childish. Michelle Obama running a campaign where she’s in a position of reminding people that junk food, if consumed to excess (which it mostly is), is bad for your health?
For the “above all, piss off the liberals” crowd, that’s an invitation to act like a 4-year-old who does something he didn’t even really want to do, just to defy his mother who told him not to do it.
Tamye Bobbye
September 27th, 2010
7:59 am
Please extrapolate on the reason you hate health care reform. Not just a generalized Rush parroting please. What is bad about getting rid of pre-existing conditions, extending coverage to 26 year old off spring and not being able to cancel someone when they actually need the coverage they paid for for many years?
If you really want something to rail on, try the fact that over 50% of Americans are obese. That is what keeps health care so expensive. Or as is recently reported that soon it will be 75%. Try making health care more expensive for the obese and smokers. Why should I pay for their bad choices? Hey I love brownies just as much as the next girl, but I choose to exercise and eat in moderation.
Insurance carries don’t hate the health care bill. It will give them MORE business when young people have to pay in.
Just maybe then young people will decide to not get fat in the first place.
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2010
8:00 am
See also: BK’s latest Double Down tv adverts.
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2010
8:00 am
Sorry, that’s KFC with the Double Downer, I meant to type @ 8.00.
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2010
8:01 am
the fact that over 50% of Americans are obese.
why do you hate our freedom to eat crap and get no exercise during the course of a typical day?
Tamye Bobbye
September 27th, 2010
8:03 am
SFD,
Yeah, there is nothing more masculine and sexier than a huge french fry beer gut. Well maybe a crazy sexy 44 inch waisted mullet wearer.
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2010
8:05 am
Skimming the comments upthread, I do have to wonder what Whiner actually posted above and beyond his usual poop-flinging to get himself ejected. I know that he gets especially emotional when it comes to the topic of biological evolution, but he usually manages to keep it to a medium-high boil…
Southern Comfort
September 27th, 2010
8:09 am
G’ morning
dB
I don’t know either. Seems like he was being his usual self. I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary either, unless a post was pulled.
Doggone/GA
September 27th, 2010
8:10 am
sfd – I don’t know what he said, since I seldom read his stuff…but it must have been pretty bad to get Jay to the point of banning him.
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2010
8:14 am
young people will decide to not get fat in the first place.
Tamye, I could spend several hours getting into the weeds of this particular topic, but for now I’ll just say that while there are certainly personal choices and decisions involved, it’s not some weird collective character flaw that has so many USA-ians overweight and out of shape.
it’s a historical backdrop of postwar American incentives to develop unsustainably, where far-flung ‘burbs filled with landlocked subdivisions and no mass transit and no means by which children can get their butts to school under their own power… AND a filthy-rotten agribusiness and other business interests pushing garbage down our throats as well. Of course people have choices to resist, but like (say) religious beliefs inculcated at a very early age, these physicological settings can be unbelievably difficult to adjust.
(and I write this as someone who is probably a lot fitter than most of my own demographic group, so I’m not saying this to make any excuses for myself. Although I could be a lot faster/stronger than I am, actually.)
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2010
8:14 am
I didn’t see anything out of the ordinary either, unless a post was pulled.
I assume something was pulled, likely of an intensely personal nature.
Southern Comfort
September 27th, 2010
8:17 am
Although I could be a lot faster/stronger than I am, actually
All it takes is to have a bad crash and let the government rebuild you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7zNY0I5JNI
Southern Comfort
September 27th, 2010
8:17 am
oops. wrong video clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HofoK_QQxGc&feature=related
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2010
8:19 am
It’s ok, SoCo–you didn’t need an accompanying clip, I got it!
Paul
September 27th, 2010
8:21 am
g’morning, all -
Healthcare? Here’s an interesting moral question, extracted from a McClatchey wire service article this morning. Seems several new cancer drugs are due to hit the market quite soon, costing about $100,000 a year. They provide about four months extension of life. They’ll be on Medicare’s list of approved treatments.
Should taxpayers pay $100.000 for a Medicare recipient with uncurable cancer to receive another four months’ life?
RW-(the original)
September 27th, 2010
8:21 am
sfd & Doggone,
It appears to have stemmed from the 1:13/1:20 stuff from yesterday that’s still posted. It’s pretty effed up that Jay B has everyone believing that if he bans someone then they must have said something else that was both deserving of a banning and also pulled down to spare the tender sensibilities of the rest of us.
Paul
September 27th, 2010
8:24 am
And if it’s too early for that, it definitely isn’t too early for this!
http://tinyurl.com/2bqt6vl
Southern Comfort
September 27th, 2010
8:24 am
dB
No problem. I used to love that intro. I always wanted to run on a treadmill like that.
Paul
Who’s to say that the person would actually live a full four months when given the drug. On the opposing side, would limiting the treatment options (even if it is a fiscally responsible decision) be akin to making death panel decisions?
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2010
8:27 am
RW, while I’m accustomed to the kind of over-the-top nasty generalizations exemplified by the 1.13 and 1.20 post you referenced, I assume it was something decidedly nastier than that. If, however, that’s really all it was, I would agree with you that Jay over-reacted. But, as someone who’s been red-carded by the guy myself (once! only once! that I remember!) I don’t think that’s all it was.
Real Scooter
September 27th, 2010
8:27 am
Enter your comments here
RW-(the original)
September 27th, 2010
8:28 am
I don’t think that’s all it was.
Like I said, Jay has you guys convinced.
Later
Real Scooter
September 27th, 2010
8:30 am
Dang,I’m having techno problems this AM. Good morn all.
Southern Comfort
September 27th, 2010
8:30 am
RW
If that was all that was said, I’d also agree there was an over-reaction. However, who’s gonna give the blog host an unsportsman-like conduct penalty? Ultimately, it’s his blog… his rules…
Jay
September 27th, 2010
8:36 am
Just so there’s no false impression regarding Whiner:
I took nothing down. He was banned, at least for a while, for what you see posted and to some degree for what he’s been posting for years.
Paul
September 27th, 2010
8:41 am
morning SoCom
I went back to the newspaper’s online edition and they had an abbreviated article. I checked other sources – seems papers pull the report then add their own information, tailored to their audiences. Here’s an article that closely matches what I read:
http://heraldsun.com/view/full_story/9671754/article-A–93K-cancer-drug–How-much-is-a-life-worth-?instance=main_article
I’d imagine those times were determined during the drug trials. They were represented as averages, which means, given a four-month estimate, the max would be likely less than a year. BTW – there’s MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, again. I’ve a great deal of gratitude for those folks -
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2010
8:42 am
Jay, like I say all the time, your blog, your rules–and I don’t read the personal comments people send you about this place, so I don’t know how much pushback you got from readers about IR/YW.
I didn’t really think his comments yesterday were especially stupid by IR/YW’s standards. If they were the straw that broke the camel’s back, hey, we all have our limits.
headin’ upstairs.
Paul
September 27th, 2010
8:43 am
Jay
Someone has to be the final authority when standards are established, if standards are to mean anything. It’s your blog, your rules, your decision.
Thanks.
Southern Comfort
September 27th, 2010
8:47 am
Paul
Also, I think that question is best answered when it’s your own life on the line. Some people would choose to have the drug, and there would be some who would not want it. I think it’s all a personal choice. Either way, there’s no right answer.
Don't Forget
September 27th, 2010
10:01 am
SFD, relax, we have a secret weapon that whips french fries rear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW1j-kFGYaY&feature=related