Who amongst us doesn’t love elitist-bashing?

Real Americans have never cottoned much to “elites.”

True, we’re not supposed to criticize hedge-fund managers who make a billion dollars a year yet whine about their taxes — that would be class warfare. We can’t point out the immense political power that the Citizens United decision handed to corporations, because corporations are just citizens who happen to pay less taxes than the rest of us. And we certainly can’t take note of the fact that so much of the income growth of the past 30 years has concentrated in the hands of a very small percentage of Americans, because after all, nobody ever got a job from a poor person.

But “ruling-class elites”? Why, we’re all agin ‘em!

Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House who made himself rich as a conduit for corporate largess and propaganda, rails against the elites regularly before returning home to McLean, Va., where the median household income is a cool $156,292. Sarah Palin travels with her entourage in Lear jets and gets paid $75,000 a whack to spread her message of solidarity to the little people of America.

Christine O’Donnell, who clearly hopes to join both their company and tax bracket, also made it a point to condemn “the ruling class elites” in her recent speech to the Values Voters Summit. And to prove she meant it, she endorsed extending tax cuts for the richest 1 percent of Americans and ending extended benefits for the long-term unemployed.

“The ruling class elites may try, but they will never have the last word on liberty,” O’Donnell told the cheering crowd of conservatives. “There’s something about our national DNA that insists on shouting at those who would be our masters, ‘You’re not the boss of me!’”

That phrase, “‘You’re not the boss of me,” comes from the theme song of “Malcolm in the Middle.” Like “Don’t Tread on Me,” it represents a genuinely populist sentiment expressed in genuinely populist terms, even if it’s employed in defense of policies that benefit the very elite it supposedly condemns.

You see, that’s the utility of people such as Palin and O’Donnell — their willful ignorance of that disconnect allows them to say the words with absolute sincerity and authenticity. It’s a trick that the guileful Gingrich can’t quite pull off, although it can be funny to see him try.

The real fun, though, comes when high-church, elitist conservatives try to come down among the people and join in the chorus of elitist-bashing. That’s when the strain between reality and illusion really becomes comic.

Michael Beran Knox, writing about O’Donnell and the elites, provides an unintentionally hilarious example of the genre in a piece in National Review Online.

Knox acknowledges that O’Donnell’s candidacy is a little peculiar, but he nonetheless admires “her cheerful excoriation of the pathologies of America’s ‘ruling-class elites.’”

“Her bête noire,” Knox writes, “is the elitist who has embraced the intrusive social state. The social creed was once the philosophy of rebels against established order; but, as Lionel Trilling long ago showed, it has become inseparable from a vision of power and mastery. The social idealist, Trilling said in 1948, is one ‘who takes license from his ideals for the unrestrained exercise of power.’ The ‘ultimate threat to human freedom,’ he wrote in a sympathetic account of George Orwell’s thought, could well come from a ‘massive development of the social idealism of our democratic culture’.”

What I think he’s trying to say is: “You’re not the boss of me.”

Knox also explains where O’Donnell got the idea that you shouldn’t lie even to save Jews from Hitler’s stormtroopers. You see, “she holds Immanuel Kant’s view that to tell a lie is always wrong.”

According to Knox’s author bio, this anti-elitist rabble-rouser, this plain-spoken defender of the common man, was educated at Columbia University, the University of Cambridge and Yale Law School. He works as an attorney and resides in Westchester County, N.Y., the seventh wealthiest county per capita in the country.

On his off-hours there, the squire of Westchester is no doubt working hard on his upcoming book, “Pathology of the Elites: How the Arrogant Classes Plan to Run Your Life.”

And no, you can’t make this stuff up. At least I can’t.

313 comments Add your comment

Tom Crawford

September 23rd, 2010
11:25 am

When you point out that an anti-elitist is himself an elitist, you’re just providing additional proof of what an arrogant elitist you were in the first place. Nanny-nanny boo-boo!

Jay

September 23rd, 2010
11:29 am

Nanny nanny boo-boo?

I think that was Kant who said that, c’est vrai?

Or Goethe, peut-etre?

pat

September 23rd, 2010
11:29 am

Democrats are the biggest elitestsof all. They not only think they know better, but they want the governement to do it for you. Like “you have to have insurance, even if you don’t want it”. “You make more than your fair share, so we are going to take it.”
It’s funny with democrats how corperate greed is evil, but governement greed is a-ok. The difference being, that corperations, in all their evil are still the largest provider of real jobs in the world….Even Castro has managed to figure that out after 50 years of failing policies.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 23rd, 2010
11:30 am

There are just as many of the elite on one side of the aisle, as the other. Neither group has much room to talk about the other.

pat

September 23rd, 2010
11:32 am

You shouldn’t like Kant, he was a theist.

TaxPayer

September 23rd, 2010
11:34 am

Elitist! Why you… you… you’re just… just… envious. That’s what you are. There. That should put you in your place quite nicely.

Bosch

September 23rd, 2010
11:40 am

Egads, Jay, you are just envious of the wealthy, thats all.

jt

September 23rd, 2010
11:41 am

Being elite is cool.

Try using the police powers of the federal government,

Marie Antoinette .

stands for decibels

September 23rd, 2010
11:41 am

aww. niiice.

Jay, I get the headline ref, even if nobody else does.

Jack

September 23rd, 2010
11:42 am

Most liberals think that “corporation” is a dirty word”: can’t understand that. Bookman works for a corporation; I have one and likely pay more taxes than Bookman.

StJ

September 23rd, 2010
11:42 am

“But “ruling-class elites”? Why, we’re all agin ‘em!”

Spell check is your friend.

The “ruling class elites” can kiss my behind.

Bosch

September 23rd, 2010
11:44 am

“Democrats are the biggest elitestsof all.”

I get confused with the wingnut poutrage du jour — are the Democrats the union loving Marxists (who, of course, would comprise mostly of blue collar workers) — or the elitist, martini sipping, Volvo driving, caffe latte gulpers in the north?

Bosch

September 23rd, 2010
11:45 am

Jack,

As most conservatives think “government” is a dirty word.

stands for decibels

September 23rd, 2010
11:47 am

are the Democrats the union loving Marxists (who, of course, would comprise mostly of blue collar workers) — or the elitist, martini sipping, Volvo driving, caffe latte gulpers in the north?

We’re the soup that eats like a meal.

Bosch

September 23rd, 2010
11:47 am

“their willful ignorance of that disconnect allows them to say the words with absolute sincerity and authenticity”

And the tools that lick their asses don’t see that they are just….tools.

Jack

September 23rd, 2010
11:49 am

Don’t know anyone that says “government” with relish.

Bosch

September 23rd, 2010
11:50 am

Jack@ 11:49,

Why do you hate our troops?

Waaaa! Stop the Conservatives!!!

September 23rd, 2010
11:51 am

Jay, I wouldn’t worry so much about O’Donnell, “who clearly hopes to join both their company and tax bracket.” After the election even if she loses she’ll get a million dollar book deal and will be speaking at conservative gatherings for $10,000 a speech and wiping her ass with bitter liberal hack journalists stewing in thier own smarmy filth at making about the same as a part time Burger King chef. As though it’s everyone else’s fault they were social science majors in college instead of getting real degrees.

Jay

September 23rd, 2010
11:52 am

@@, your comment was published at 11:38….

RW-(the original)

September 23rd, 2010
11:53 am

That phrase, “‘You’re not the boss of me,” comes from the theme song of “Malcolm in the Middle.”

What???

His sister was going to put her arms around him, but he whirled, and facing her with a very angry face, snapped — “Let me alone; you are not the boss of me now, I tell you, and I’m going to do as I please.”
—”As by Fire,” The Church, New Series Vol. III, 1883, p. 70

And many more examples

/drive by

stands for decibels

September 23rd, 2010
11:54 am

As though it’s everyone else’s fault they were social science majors in college instead of getting real degrees.

Remind us again what O’Donnell and Palin’s majors were, again?

Not Mike

September 23rd, 2010
11:56 am

Victory is mine. Jay has blocked from his blog.

Jay did not block me because I violated any rules. Jay blocked me because he does not like the fact that I point out that he is a partisan pundit who is no different than Beck, Limbaugh and the rest of the folks he despises.

Cyndi Tucker did the same thing a ways back. So remember folks, these two demagougues are unwilling to acccept the same criticism they dolw out. Like all bullies, Cyndi and Jay are also abject cowards.

Jay will delete this post soon and although I can overcome their silly block with a minmum of effort, I’ll just say my goodbyes. It’s been fun folks.

Doggone/GA

September 23rd, 2010
11:57 am

“After the election even if she loses she’ll get a million dollar book deal and will be speaking at conservative gatherings for $10,000 a speech ”

“even if”? I’d say it’s more a case of ESPECIALLY if.

Kamchak

September 23rd, 2010
12:00 pm

Victory is mine. Jay has blocked from his blog.

Ummmm…no, he hasn’t.

Victim-hood much?

Keep up the good fight!

September 23rd, 2010
12:03 pm

Wait a minute. I thought elite was based on the coast you lived on. East Coast means you are elite. Manhattan means elite (unless you reference Fox). Millions of dollars does not mean elite. Oh sure, the West Coast has elite. But not the midwest and Alaska!

In fact when they start becoming the ruling elite in Alaska, they must immediately resign and thereafter they are limited to 140 twit notices. Now who rules the twits? Well that is determined by followers, lemmings. No education. No spelling. No logic. No sense. Merely twit or facebook your followers and you are a non-elitist twit leader.

Paul

September 23rd, 2010
12:03 pm

Yes, it is entertaining. Sad, but entertaining. Both parties have their schtick. This one is more mind-numbingly insulting than most.

“O’Donnell…you shouldn’t lie even to save Jews from Hitler’s stormtroopers. ”

Interesting. I’d raised the issue of moral development in the past, and some here, libs too, if I recall, took a position similar to that.

Nice to see, though, that with the rejection of Ms Kennedy to fill Uncle Ted’s seat in Massachusetts that Democrats are breaking the ruling elites’ divine right of inheritance . Maybe Republicans will do likewise?

Term limits would be a good start.

One other observation: elitists? Kinda like in the previous thread, where you cited a Politico poll that somehow was able to identify a class of respondents as…

DC Elites?

:-)

USinUK

September 23rd, 2010
12:06 pm

Heading off on vacation … have a great couple of weeks! See you in October :-)

stands for decibels

September 23rd, 2010
12:07 pm

@@, your comment was published at 11:38….But I don’t see it here, Jay. Maybe you accidentally blocked @@ instead of fainting-couch mike?

That would be a comic misunderstanding worthy of… well, not great literature, but perhaps the first season of Three’s Company.

stands for decibels

September 23rd, 2010
12:08 pm

Have a great trip, UnU! Go easy on the fried okra…

Paul

September 23rd, 2010
12:09 pm

Have a great one, USinUK!

Out for a while -

getalife

September 23rd, 2010
12:11 pm

Have fun USinUK.

“HuffPost: Dems likely to punt on tax issue.”

I wondered why fox shifted to letting them expire today?

They interviewed a small business owner and he attacked letting them expire.

JohnnyReb

September 23rd, 2010
12:12 pm

Bosch – “–Volvo driving–” Please tell me you don’t have a Subaru?

Jay

September 23rd, 2010
12:12 pm

“Not Mike” is, well, not Mike. Not as far as I can tell.

Mike, despite his fondest wishes, has not been banned from the blog.

And I’m working on getting @@’s post up and can’t figure out why it won’t publish.

larry

September 23rd, 2010
12:14 pm

After the election even if she loses she’ll get a million dollar book deal and will be speaking at conservative gatherings for $10,000 a speech

She better hope she does, paying off those FEC fines are going to hurt.

I mean its not like she was living off of campaign contributions while she wasnt in a campaign.
Who needs a job?

larry

September 23rd, 2010
12:16 pm

Have a great time USinUK!!

Legend of Len Barker

September 23rd, 2010
12:17 pm

Somewhat related: About 10-12 years ago, Saxby Chambliss put in an appearance at the local middle school. He sat in a few classes and agreed to take questions from the kids.

Young Jamey raised his hand.

“Yes, you, son.”

“Are you rich?”

“Nooo.”

“So, how much do you make?”

“$150,000*.”

Jamey was satisfied and no further questions about Chambliss’ finances were asked. After the Senator left, the teacher assured that yes, boys and girls, that man is rich.

Perhaps that’s not rich to some of you, but this is a county whose per capita income is roughly $25,000 now, which is in the bottom half of the state and below the federal poverty line. I’d have to check to see if it’s below the state poverty line. The county itself is so metropolitan that it contained all of three stoplights (with #4 being installed two years ago) and its fanciest restaurant is the Pizza Hut.

* Not the correct figure, but I’m too lazy to see what the going rate was when this exchange took place.”

Jefferson

September 23rd, 2010
12:18 pm

I figure the tea replublicans must like puppet candidates (flakier than a box of Kelloggs Corn) as they are easier to manipulate, who is pulling the strings you have to ask yourself.

Swami Dave

September 23rd, 2010
12:19 pm

Last I looked, it was neither O’Donnell or Palin that signed on as the Keynesian architects of PrezBO’s grand economic vision, enshrined the liberal ideal that America could somehow spend itself to prosperity, wasted billions of dollars that will have to be paid by future generations, and are now slinking back to their cush positions in academia like Harvard or UC Berkley.

Sadly, having effectively wasted those billions that would have belonged to America’s youth with their (again) failed redistributionist schemes, they now retreat back to their tenured professorial shelters to infest those same young people with the lie that is collectivism.

I suppose that we can be heartened by the fact that these liberals are sheltered from the deserved consequences that their failed policies and ideas should have long since earned them.

-SD

ByteMe

September 23rd, 2010
12:21 pm

You see, that’s the utility of people such as Palin and O’Donnell — their willful ignorance of that disconnect allows them to say the words with absolute sincerity and authenticity

What makes you think they are ignorant of the disconnect? It’s their blind lustful followers who are ignorant, not them. They might be totally ignorant of other things… but when it comes to marketing themselves to the resentful masses, they are geniuses.

Jay

September 23rd, 2010
12:23 pm

@@’s post refuses to let itself be published, but it was essentially an endorsement of SPQR’s at 11:18.

I Report (-: You Whine mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 23rd, 2010
12:23 pm

Oh, are the dummycrats worried about running out of kkkampaign kontributions, should the “rich” escape a tax increase?

Well, boo hoo hoo, kookman.

RW-(the original)

September 23rd, 2010
12:24 pm

@@’s post refuses to let itself be published, but it was essentially an endorsement of SPQR’s at 11:18.

I’m pretty sure it is published, on page 3 downstairs.

Jay

September 23rd, 2010
12:26 pm

That explains it, thanks RW.

JohnnyReb

September 23rd, 2010
12:27 pm

For sure Obama has accomplished one thing if no other – class warfare. Proving Rush is a prophet after all.

Jefferson

September 23rd, 2010
12:30 pm

A little class warfare is needed, many of the asshats have gotten too “uppity”.

@@

September 23rd, 2010
12:35 pm

@@, your comment was published at 11:38….

Thanks, jay, but it wasn’t that urgent. Just me having a bit of fun.

Difficult to figure out ‘T W A T is that triggers the moderator.

(ISH)

I’ve known wealthy people who don’t “strike” me as elitists. I’ve known intelligent people who didn’t “strike” me as elitists. I’ve even known powerful people who didn’t “strike” me as elitist.

It’s all in one’s perception.

In order to succeed, the individual must first see themselves as victor rather than victim.

RW-(the original)

September 23rd, 2010
12:39 pm

You’re welcome, Jay B.

Stranger things have happened around here. If you go to the first blog on the gay slur/threat over at political insider and dip down in the comments you’ll find a few, and some came from you, that make no sense in the conversation over there but they were parts of a conversation over here where some of the comments were posting in both places for some reason.

jm

September 23rd, 2010
12:41 pm

no offense jay, but this sounds like a rant right out of atlas shrugged

Jefferson

September 23rd, 2010
12:41 pm

I think Rove quit puppeteering when his boy went back to TX. So who is pulling the strings with the tea republicans ? Who makes Palin walk and talk? Somebody has a hand in these mental giants.

The Strange Case of Jake Pusser, Federal Overseer/Slave Trader

September 23rd, 2010
12:42 pm

Somewhere,,…………….a bankster snorted.

I reached for my…………………………..

(to be cont…).

dumb as a rock

September 23rd, 2010
12:48 pm

What’s the difference between wealthy elites and ruling class elites? The ruling class elites try to control our lives, they act like they are smarter than everyone else and know what is good for us. I have no problem with wealthy elites – most of them earned it. Ruling class elites just managed to get elected, and the power went to their heads.

jm

September 23rd, 2010
12:52 pm

d-as-a-r – not all wealthy elites earned it

The Boner's Tan Line

September 23rd, 2010
12:54 pm

The Boner don’t like you folks talking about his mistress Chrissy any such way.

The Boner’s hoping Chrissy gets a centerfold in Playboy Plus Size out of all this hoopla. That publication is in negotiations with the Boner and Chrissy this very day. Their offer has gotten all the way up to a thousand dollars. Chrissy wants to take the money and go Halloween shopping, but the Boner says they’re going to hold out for more. As we all know Chrissy defaulted on her mortgage a while back, so she needs enough cash to buy herself some new digs.

She’s already gone through all that campaign money. Oops, I let it slip.

That Chrissy sure likes to live high on the old broom, er, hog.

retiredds

September 23rd, 2010
12:54 pm

Let us not forget that all our politicians are elite. They want the tax breaks for themselves. And don’t forget the power trip and how it corrupts. Ms. O’Donnell from Del. is looking forward to the day she becomes an elite and she will receive: the exponential increase in her salary from what she reported last year, a great medical and pension plan that is paid for by the people, all the perks that go with being in the Congress, the more than generous expense account, the staff that will write and read bills for you, and the opportunity to write a book and get on the speaking circuit or a lobbyist when she retires or is voted out. Her financial future will be secure as a Washington politician.

And I add below an editorial from today’s NY Times which demonstrates the duplicity of the same Republicans who are touting their new “contract with America”. And if you believe they will deliver … well fairy tales sometimes come true, but mostly are that, fairy tales.

“The Senate Judiciary Committee is scheduled to meet on Thursday with an agenda that includes consideration of nominees for federal district and circuit court judgeships who have already been approved by the committee once, or even twice.

They are going through the process again because Senate Republicans refused to allow a vote by the full Senate and then, having dragged things out, insisted on returning the nominations to the White House. They then invoked an obscure Senate rule that required the judicial candidates to be re-nominated. (Yes, these are the same Republicans who used to loudly demand that every one of President George W. Bush’s nominees get a vote on the Senate floor, regardless of their qualifications.)”

Oh the more things change the more they remain the same (think GA and how the Repubs were going to change things here – i.e. secrecy around the keeping of the GA 400 tolls).

Disgusted

September 23rd, 2010
12:54 pm

I’m certainly glad to know that the Republican Party is going to save me from the ruling elites by extending the tax cuts for small businesses, those poor, much-put-upon, job providers. Turns out the definition of “small business” depends upon the number of owners, not the number of employees nor the income. So here are the potential beneficaries of the full extension of the tax cuts:

•Enterprise Products Partners, L.P., a pipeline company with 2009 revenues of $25 billion.
•Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co., a Wall Street firm with $445 million in revenue in 2009.
•Price Waterhouse Coopers, an accounting firm with $26 billion in revenue in 2009.
•Koch Industries, a conglomerate of partnerships with 70,000 employees.
•The Hillman Company, an investment founded by billionaire philanthropist/industrialist Henry Hillman.
•Venn Strategies, Inc., whose chief operating officer is Brian Reardon, a former special assistant to former President George W. Bush.
•Ferrellgas, a propane and propane accessories business, with $2 billion in revenues in 2009 and 1 million customers.
•CoorsTek, a ceramics manufacturer founded by Adolph Coors, with 2009 revenue of $549 million.
•Dead River Co., with $500 million in revenue and 1,200 employees.
•McIlhenney Co., the Tabasco maker, with $250 million in revenue.

El Jefe

September 23rd, 2010
12:55 pm

Elitist? Here is a question, are we talking about powerful, rich, know it alls?

Which are we referring to.

Powerful and rich are not always the same – in fact at times are mutually exclusive.

Now we come to the know it alls – academics, folks that held no real private sector jobs and as we use to say only book learning.

These are the dangerous ones, no common sense and no experience in the real world. These are the ones that stand in the way of folks doing the work.

These are the ones that say it can’t be done to the folks doing it.

These are the guys telling you how to dig the ditch from their air conditioned office.

Yes, there is some resentment to the elitists.

jm

September 23rd, 2010
1:01 pm

Gasparino on Summers. No replacement for Summers because no one likes Obamanomics?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/why_business_will_miss_summers_HIxz4sxco4cWqEcVugU7OO

jm

September 23rd, 2010
1:02 pm

ken R

September 23rd, 2010
1:04 pm

This is about the DUMBEST article I have ever read. If you want to talk about Elites, how about Pelosi and her $18,700 per Month tax payer paid for office?
John Kerry, the richest man in office?

Jay, did you fall on your head this morning?

jm

September 23rd, 2010
1:07 pm

ken R – Jay’s world is upside down. By default he must fall on his head every morning. Just kidding Jay.

ken R

September 23rd, 2010
1:07 pm

El Jefe, well said.

jewcowboy

September 23rd, 2010
1:10 pm

I was actually mulling this over after listening to a story on NPR this morning while I was getting ready. It was saying that the last time there was such a great disparity in income in the US, was the 1920’s.

This story on the tails of a discussion on the blog last evening made me wonder; why do self-confessed conservatives differentiate between “ruling” elites and “wealthy” elites? Since the great mass of self-conservatives has vastly less wealth than either type of elites, and the fact that the “ruling”elite are far more often than not “wealthy” elite, this is all the more perplexing.

My working theory is that “conservatives” view themselves as having the ability to attain vat amounts of wealth and therefore want to “protect” the “wealthy” elites so that when they make billions their station will be secure. This is, of course, flies in the face of reality that says by concentrating wealth, people are far less likely to attain wealth. The rich get richer and the middle class dwindles…

Liberals on the other hand seem to view both types of elites as one and the same, and understand that wealth means power and power rules. While many liberals certainly envy the super wealthy for the lifestyles they can afford, they have the reality that they probably will not achieve that kind of prosperity and therefore choose to follow a line of thinking that would provide society a smaller income disparity. Liberals aren’t against corporations, they are against corporations that are able to manipulate the system to the citizens disadvantage, and the same with the ultra-wealthy.

Ultimately it doesn’t come down to conservative vs. liberal….it comes down to the ultra-wealthy vs. everyone else in the entire world.

@@

September 23rd, 2010
1:11 pm

From the bottom up?

Rep. Gary Miller (R-Calif.)
Minimum net worth: $19.37 million

Sen. James Risch (R-Idaho)
Minimum net worth: $19.69 million

Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.)
Minimum net worth: $19.90 million

Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)
Minimum net worth: $21.74 million

Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.)
Minimum net worth: $31.41 million

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)
Minimum net worth: $46.07 million

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.)
Minimum net worth: $49.70 million

Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Fla.)
Minimum net worth: $55.47 million

Rep. Jared Polls (D-Colo.)
Minimum net worth: $56.49 million

Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.)
Minimum net worth: $70.19

Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas)
Minimum net worth: $73.75 million

Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)
Minimum net worth: $81.50 million

Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.)
Minimum net worth: $152.62 million

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.)
Minimum net worth: $160.05 million

Coming in at Numero Uno…

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.)
Minimum net worth: $188.37 million

jm

September 23rd, 2010
1:12 pm

JC- I think this theory is wrong

“My working theory is that “conservatives” view themselves as having the ability to attain vat amounts of wealth and therefore want to “protect” the “wealthy” elites so that when they make billions their station will be secure.”

I don’t think conservatives of all stripes think they’re going to become billionaires, or even millionaires. They just believe in the right to become one without the government taking most (or 1/2) your wealth in the process. You misunderstand conservatives, I think.

jm

September 23rd, 2010
1:13 pm

JC – and this part is definitely wrong. You’ve got your model of the world messed up.

“Ultimately it doesn’t come down to conservative vs. liberal….it comes down to the ultra-wealthy vs. everyone else in the entire world.”

jewcowboy

September 23rd, 2010
1:14 pm

By the way, here is the story if anyone is intersted:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130052776

jm

September 23rd, 2010
1:15 pm

Jesus. The Republicans are crazy. But this blog just makes me want to become a Republican, or at least lean that way.

The Repubs are crazy, but at least their view of how the world works is realistic.

But Duh...

September 23rd, 2010
1:16 pm

Waaaa! Stop the Conservatives!!!
September 23rd, 2010
11:51 am
bitter liberal hack journalists… As though it’s everyone else’s fault they were social science majors in college instead of getting real degrees.

Yeah we should all be English Lit and Communications majors like O’Donnell and Palin. That will qualify us to run the country. Maybe we can college hop until we find one to give us a degree (Palin), or not pay our tuition (O’Donnell). Or how about a degree in Beauty Pageants?

Jefferson

September 23rd, 2010
1:20 pm

jm, paying your oblibgation to the country is not taking your wealth. GOI.

I'm guessing you're an insecure engineer?

September 23rd, 2010
1:21 pm

“As though it’s everyone else’s fault they were social science majors in college instead of getting real degrees.”

Reagan, Bush I and II, Cheney and Gingrich were all social science majors.

jewcowboy

September 23rd, 2010
1:21 pm

jm,

“You’ve got your model of the world messed up.”

please explain.

Progressive = History of elitism

September 23rd, 2010
1:22 pm

Dear Mr. Bookman,
Has there been a sector of society in the country’s history that has been more elitist than “Progressives?” For 100+ years they have believed that the country should be run by a small group of them (of course) because the electorate is too dumb to make any decisions themselves. Don’t worry, we’re real smart and we’ll take care of you (I think Mr. Marcus best spoke to the amateur economic leadership the current crop of Progressives has), just forfeit your personal freedoms and don’t worry, the State will never trample on them.

No thank you, give me some personal freedom, kick the amateurs out of the White House, and let the people of the country live their lives with far less government intrusion. Heck, even electing Hillary Clinton and her Nazi-esque vision of separating/liberating women from child rearing by having the “Village” (the State) raise them would have been better than the current administration.

Liberalism is a mental disorder

September 23rd, 2010
1:22 pm

You just don’t get it do you? Let me spell it our for you. The elites have NOTHING to do with how much money someone makes. The true elitists are the ones the are convinced they know how everyone should live and seek the enforce it by rule of the government. These tend to be the people who got their wealth by inheritance or celebrity and is almost never people who actually worked and created their own wealth.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 23rd, 2010
1:24 pm

Well, I’d like to be a ruling elite one day. That’s why I vote Republican. I figure they can’t keep me here at $20,000 per year forever. Sooner or later I’ll be making enough money to buy a big boat and a new double-wide and all that stuff. But the No. 1 reason I vote Republican is, I hate people that don’t vote Republican so much. Namely Those People and the gays and the Jews and libruls and people like that. The rest of you can hate rich people all you want. Sooner or later you’ll be hating me. I’ll own you.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

andygrd

September 23rd, 2010
1:25 pm

WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats on Thursday privately considered punting President Barack Obama’s call to preserve middle class tax cuts until after the election, with several predicting that postponing the debate was increasingly likely.

“The climate is not conducive to getting much done before the election,” said Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del. “If I were a betting man, I would say we deal with them” later in the fall.

The most sweeping tax cuts in a generation, enacted in 2001 and 2003, are due to expire in January. Republicans want to extend them all, while Obama and Democratic leaders in Congress want to extend them for individuals making less then $200,000 and married couples making less than $250,000.

If Congress takes no action, taxpayers at every income level face significant tax increases next year.

Some Democrats in Congress are wary of supporting Obama’s plan, fearing they would be accused of supporting a tax increase ahead of an election in which they will be fighting to maintain majorities in both the House and Senate.

hehehehehe – Democrates the “Party of NO”, well not right now because I want to keep my job…

Above is from MSNBC……

Eric

September 23rd, 2010
1:26 pm

pat, you poor child, your spelling is atrocious and your ideas are a clear indication that you are a moron. Please, turn off Fox, they’re not doing you any favors. Right wing propaganda is not news. Get some facts on the issues. Check out CNN or MSNBC.

Eric

September 23rd, 2010
1:27 pm

Liberalism i a m d just described most of the republican caucus in the Senate. Duh!

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 23rd, 2010
1:28 pm

elite – n the best and most skilled members of a given group. when did this become a pejorative? are Gingerich, O’Donnell et al suggesting is it better to be recognized as unskiled or the worst members of a given group. but here’s the problem (seems to be a common problem from the right); the right doesn’t think the left are “elitest” they simply think the left thinks it’s the “best and most skilled”. I believe this is what english professors and other elitists call sarcasm. I suppose there is also irony in the tactic. namely, the plutocracy, which views itself as “elitist” (especially in areas of personal conduct/morality and religion), uses the term to disparage others in order to court the votes of simple-minded, ignorant, superstitious (the opposite of elite) Americans. see, I don’t think I have ever heard ANY Demcrat/Progressive/Liberal refer to himself as “elite” (for example; “I am a producer. I am the best at creating jobs…”). As I said yesterday, it’s like some sick, inverted form of projection. makes my head spin just trying to articulate.

@@

September 23rd, 2010
1:28 pm

jay, the postings on your blog are becoming more and more incoherent. Maybe it’s because everyone has said all there is to say.

I’m off the the WallyMart where I’ll probably see my multi-millionaire neighbor dressed in grungy shorts and a holey T-shirt. His feet will be sporting flip-flops. How did this man become so wealthy? He came up with the idea of marketing condiments (ketchup, mustard, mayo) in small packages to fast-food establishments.

Super, super nice guy. He has generously agreed to provide me with all the hay I need for mulch in my garden.

MARK

September 23rd, 2010
1:31 pm

Did everyone hear the good news…David Axelrod is leaving in 2011!….and a bonus, he is leaving to work on Obama’s re-election campaign…sounds to me like a win-win

jewcowboy

September 23rd, 2010
1:35 pm

One huge problem for the leaders of the Republican Party and the right, with ramifications for this country, is their continual usage of intellectualism as a four letter word. The don’t want to be the party of “No”, they want to be the party of “No education”.

Matti

September 23rd, 2010
1:37 pm

Okay, so help me out here. A man who comes from humble beginnings, works hard in school, studies his behind off to be the best in his class, uses scholarships and loans to put himself through school to earn post-graduate degrees, and then enters the field of public service is AN ELITIST, right?

But, wait now… there’s more. A man who is born into butwads of money and power, has his way paved and paid for by his daddy and daddy’s friends, scroos around and parties (tooootally inhales), bungles one business after another, and works hard only on behalf of his own kind is “A REGULAR GUY YOU’D LIKE TO HAVE A BEER WITH” and therefore NOT and elitist. Do I have this right?

What about the guy who comes home from war, dumps his wife who waited years for him, marries a wealthy heiress he met in a bar while married, joins the ruling class and owns multiple cars and homes, who calls the first category of guy ELITIST? What is he? Just curious.

jewcowboy

September 23rd, 2010
1:41 pm

Liberalism is a mental disorder,

“The true elitists are the ones the are convinced they know how everyone should live and seek the enforce it by rule of the government.”

A couple of things here:
gay marriage
gay adoption
gays in the military
abortion
Intelligent Design taught in public schools
Invocation before civic meetings
10 commandments on courthouse steps

Exactly who is trying to get whom “convinced they know how everyone should live and seek the(sic) enforce it by rule of the government”?

Devildog

September 23rd, 2010
1:43 pm

I’ve been elite since I left Parris Island. Hard to be humble when you’re the best.

jewcowboy

September 23rd, 2010
1:43 pm

Matti,

“What is he?”

A creepy leering @sshat who should have been dishonorably discharged for violating the military honor code?

AT

September 23rd, 2010
1:44 pm

Jay,
You have defined the ruling class elites as those who have money, i.e. hedge fund managers, corporations, business owners, etc. These are all private citizens.

As a function of gov’t, they have no power to dictate my life. They rule nothing that I do not, as an individual exercising my freedom, grant them myself.

The ruling class elite is more accurately defines as the current bunch of clowns in elected office, passing laws to see what is in them, dictating how much I should weigh, telling me what light bulb I can/cannot buy, telling me what kind of car I can/can’t drive, dictating how “generous” I should be with my money to their causes and deciding which businesses they think are mismanaged and then seizing them in my name. The fact they are elected means nothing as they have far exceeded power granted to them by our Constitution. That fact alone defines them as “ruling” instead of “serving”.

Obviously, from your column, you think it’s the other way around. But it is a big distinction between liberals and conservatives and worth pointing out.

El Jefe

September 23rd, 2010
1:46 pm

Devildog,

As Reagan said

Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don’t have that problem.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 23rd, 2010
1:46 pm

jewcowboy, that’s why they don’t like education or elitist intellectuals. I just counted; intellectualism is a 15 letter word. critical thinking, open minds and a thirst for knowledge can only lead to socialism. better to have values and morality “preached” to you (your can’t teach old dogman new tricks), than for (ahem, free) individuals to chart his/her own path. these folks never would have lasted a day a Faber College (Animal House) where the school motto was; “knowledge is good”. rememeber progress is the root of the word progressive, and we don’t want any progress now do we?

George F'ing Washington

September 23rd, 2010
1:47 pm

I say we all support Republicans 100%.
we vote for them completely in the next election.
we vote for a Republican President in 2012.
we support all their bills in Congress
we even support the next war that we directly or indirectly cause or are goaded into.
we don’t tear them down as they are so willing to do to others.
but only ask one thing in return, that come 2016 when the country is in a worse state that it is now, we are able to admit to fault that we all can already see, we admit that the Republican Party is not working for this country but for themselves and their rich corporate buddies, we don’t cower because they say they love America, they say they love Jesus or they say they love our little children, and we start trying to do the right things for America.
you don’t have to support the Democrats or whine about the boogeyman liberal that lives under our beds at night, you just agree to be an American again for America’s sake.
as long as the people who say they believe in ‘United We Stand’ spend the most time tearing down others and dividing us we can go nowhere but down.
support Republicans. but if 2016 comes and this country is worse than now, and hasn’t completely come apart at the seams by then, we admit to what we all already know. and we find a better way other than the Civil War II that is occurring now.
no problems can be fixed if people can’t admit to fault and if their tactics include destroying other patriotic Americans just to cover for their sins.
2016 we all come clean. none of us belong to any political party. we all just become Americans again.
the children aren’t our future, we are our children’s future.

El Jefe

September 23rd, 2010
1:48 pm

The elite we have problems with are not the rich, but the powerful – Friends, czars and family of the current President fit that category.

Bosch

September 23rd, 2010
1:49 pm

Hehehe. Matti said “butwad” —- :-)

Bosch

September 23rd, 2010
1:50 pm

What is Intelligent Design anyway?

jewcowboy

September 23rd, 2010
1:52 pm

El Jefe,

“The elite we have problems with are not the rich, but the powerful”

Sorry to burst your bubble, but as @@ pointed out with her post at 1.11, they are one and the same.

El Jefe

September 23rd, 2010
1:52 pm

paleo-neo-Carlinist,

And I suppose you believe from each according to their means and to each according to their need also – right?

Since about half of Americans are paying the tab for all of America, please show me where the money will come from to support the massive give aways the Government wants.

Even if you take the Fortune 500 companies and tax them at 100% – we are still unable to support the Obama wish list of entitlements.

paleo-neo-Carlinist

September 23rd, 2010
1:52 pm

El Jefe, enough with the “I’m glue, you’re rubber” stuff. please show me where any of the “friends, czars and family” of the current President are not claimed to be “elite”? my ex-wife told me when she filed for divorce, “it’s not me, it’s you.”

carlosgvv

September 23rd, 2010
1:53 pm

Publicly attacking the elite rich while privately taking all the money they give you is about as old as politics in America. Do you really wonder why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Too many intelligent and well-educated people are constantly taking advantage of poor and uneducated people. Money talks and BS walks.

George F'ing Washington

September 23rd, 2010
1:58 pm

where we get the money.
1. bring troops home from Japan
not enough?
2. bring troops home from Germany
not enough?
3. don’t give another penny to any illegal immigrant or their children
not enough?
4. bring all our troops home from Korea
not enough?
5. do things to avoid being in a war that forces us to rebuild someone else’s country.
not enough?
6. stop making war our main export and reduce our carrier battle fleets from 12 to 6 or 7
still not enough?
7. end all entitlement programs for large corporations who by their own actions have proven that trickle down was a fairy tale
all of the sudden like, we have enough money again to take care of all of America and all Americans
wow that really wasn’t even that hard

Bosch

September 23rd, 2010
1:58 pm

OK, Jay, no “Pledge for America” thread? Come on, come on — I wanna say how the GOP are all stoopid!!! Please?

Bosch

September 23rd, 2010
1:59 pm

Well, not all the GOP, I mean, the Senate Snowe Goddess, and her Deputy Senate Goddess aren’t stoopid.

El Jefe

September 23rd, 2010
2:00 pm

paleo-neo-Carlinist,

The Czars are mostly progressive academics, bobble headed elitists if I ever saw any, and as for family, Obama’s Aunt thinks that Citizenship for illegals is a right, that sounds very elitist – Of course, she is an illegal and is still in this country.