The Laffer Curve debunked; Part One

Dream on with your graphs Jay. Cut un-necesary government spending first and then talk taxes. If you can sit and say that our government isn’t rife with waste then I would have to call you either a liar or dumb. The big three, SS, defense spending and Medicare are all fair game for cutting if in no other area than the bureaucratic and administrative levels. Then there is the “death by a thousand cuts” type expenditures where all kinds of small wasteful government programs hemorrhage our money continuously for pretty much no purpose other than to exist and to provide government jobs. It isn’t, as the liberals like to say, the police or the firefighters, it is the pork. It is government inefficiency. It is bloated bureaucracy. It is a million things that anyone with half a brain can see but the liberals don’t seem to want to. No private business would last if it handled its budget like the federal government. Yea, I can hear it now; their Mandate is different, bla bla bla. No their mandate is to watch after the American people and placing the American under unbearable un-sustainable deficits is not watching out for them. Cut spending and raise taxes in that order.

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Eek! I feel like I’m back in Econ with the graphs….

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So Jay, if tax cuts are so bad, then why are Democrats even telling Obama to extend them?

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“Laffer illustrated the seemingly magical concept for Dick Cheney”

Gotta get Dick in there! Jay, is there a day when you or Ms. Tucker don’t blame everything on Rush, Palin, Bush or Cheney?

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Pogo

Not sure if you heard but……..

Cuba to cut 500,000 from state payroll

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4cd17af4-bf5e-11df-965a-00144feab49a.html?ftcamp=rss

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Come on, Jay. There’s a laffer, Part Deux. Have you been talking to that Kyle Wingfield fella or something. “A” is located at the point or points where dR/dt = 0. Everyone knows that. By the way, the theory as I understand it being originally presented was that revenue would be zero at either extreme so any laffer curve purist would necessarily need to modify your straight line to show an instantaneous jump from the coordinate pair (0,0) to some mythical magical pair, (”It’s magic”,0).

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Figuring out where points A, B, and C are is the conundrum.

And on a related note, I’d be all for a Flat Tax. Get rid of all the deductions and breaks and start over. It would, of course, take about 30 years to phase in. But if I ever lived to see that, I would probably have a heart attack and die.

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Any time you spend more than you receive, you are in the hole. Laffer was smoking something.

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<i?It’s like telling someone with an obesity problem that the best way to lose weight is to always eat more ice cream

A.K.A. Adkins Diet

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Cutting taxes and reducing government are the simple and proved conservative methods for growing our economy and taking back our country, freedom and liberties.

Just look at the rallies. America is tired of Obama’s socialism and the lamestream media!!!

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Jay:

Can you fix it so we can draw graphs on here. I have something special ……………..

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The Laffer curve is correctly named.

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Palin fan,

Rallies prove tax cuts and reduced government grow the economy? Interesting theory.

And what freedom and liberties have you lost due to the Obama administration?

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jewdude, been to the DMV lately? A fine example of waste on a microscopic scale. What must it be like at the macroscopic?

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“A.K.A. Adkins Diet”

Spelling is obviously not your strong point…and neither are diets.

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“been to the DMV lately?”

Every single DMV worker is a shining example of what happens when kids drop out of school. The workers have little to no brain cells and the ones I’ve dealt with in Atlanta can’t even put a complete sentence together.

EX: Mr. *&^^&^^, plea look at eye chart and tell me what, hey look Nelly put another album out, ok do that plea.

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Pogo,

“been to the DMV lately?”

No…I renew onliine.

“What must it be like at the macroscopic?”

So then please outline the specific cuts that would be achievable politically where both Republican and Democrat agree.

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“ewdude, been to the DMV lately? A fine example of waste on a microscopic scale.”

Pogo, my son turned 16 about a year ago — the DMV is the right’s whipping boy — but we were in and out in about 30 minutes — driving test and all. And why in the world would you even go to the DMV anymore? If you need to renew your license, you can do it on-line, you can even get a 15 year license (I think, maybe 10) — so yes, I’d say that the DMV is pretty efficient these days.

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“the DMV is the right’s whipping boy”

Another classic example of a lie.

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“And why in the world would you even go to the DMV anymore?”

Uh, like you said Bosch, to take a kid to get his or her’s drivers license.

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JAY,

Yes…ouch!

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Bosch,

“f you need to renew your license, you can do it on-line, you can even get a 15 year license (I think, maybe 10) ”

I moved to GA in 1996…and I still have the same picture on my license…and it doesn’t expire until 2018…I’ll be 23 forever!

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“No, I didn’t write that. Try again.”

Yes Bosch, you did.

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“The south WILL and IS rising again.”

Sounds like someone is auditioning for a new viagra commercial.

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Whenever I hear or read about the Laffer Curve, I always think of this scene…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmxpftPFXZg

(Interesting that damn near the only elected Republican with any guts in Washington in the past 30 years called it for the farce it was and still is…)

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Doggone/GA,

The ultimate Atkins Diet ensemble:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/13/lady-gagas-meat-dress-photos_n_714117.html

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“Whenever I hear or read about the Laffer Curve, I always think of this scene…”

Great movie.

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Grand Forks, I could embarrass you with list after list and fact after fact showing that your claim is absurd, but lets face it, we all know it would not matter to you one iota.

Being factually averse is your shtick, no matter which of the 12 names you hide behind…

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“Sorry, but no where did I write that it was only the GOP who got us into two wars.”

When you wrote: “So, you think the same people who got us into two wars”

Meaning, you didn’t write anything about the Dems. You only stated that the “same people” meaning Repubs were the ones.

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TaxPayer,

“Has Jay ever had any of these cons get into a real debate using facts and analysis or even a thought process.”

The have trouble “refudiating” things that can’t be summed up in a slogan, catch-phrase or fear inducing attack.

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“it will be time to put that SEC thing to rest…(grin)”

4 straight NT and rolling…….

ROLL TIDE ROLL! 13 National Titles and 26 SEC Championships.

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“The ultimate Atkins Diet ensemble”

I’ve been avoiding looking those photos…I’m just SURE I don’t want to see them!

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The GOP worships money so much they think anyone who has much must be contributing more to society, ie are better people.

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So Chuck, prove your bizarre assertion that “The south has…more money…than than anywhere else in the USA.”

Take your time. You’re gonna need it.

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AmVet

Surplus. It’s all about the surplus, my friend.

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“f you need to renew your license, you can do it on-line, you can even get a 15 year license (I think, maybe 10) ”

It’s 10. I know a 95 year old, who renewed for 10 more years, within the last year. And yes, he is still a good driver.

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Del

Like I said, O State has never beaten an SEC team in bowl history.

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“Ohio State has never beaten an SEC team in a bowl game.”

And that means what to me?

Here are a couple of scores for ya, though:

January 2, 1996 – Nebraska 62, Florida 24

January 2, 1998 – Nebraska 42, Tennessee 17

(And both were even bigger slaughters than the final score shows.)

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Jay, I noticed you like Neko Case.

Quick story: A few years ago a buddy and I saw here live at The Tabernacle. My buddy had a few too many PBR’s and went right up to her when she was leaving, and planted a big wet one on her lips. I would have figured she would have knocked his teeth out, but instead she smiled and said “glad you are a fan” and walked off.

True story.

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“January 2, 1996 – Nebraska 62, Florida 24

January 2, 1998 – Nebraska 42, Tennessee 17″

And that means what to me?

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“(And both were even bigger slaughters than the final score shows.)”

Well one, back then Nebraska was in the Big 12, still are as of this year. Two, neither of those teams involved Alabama.

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLL TIDE.

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Chuck E.

I wouldn’t bet on them but I wouldn’t bet against them if it gets there this year.

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Sorry I thought you were blowing some sort of SEC horn, Chuck. Must have been somebody else new with a similar name. (LOL!)

“If you are going to post under a different name and deny it, at least alter your writing style.”

And this is the point that I have laughed at for years now, jewcowboy.

You come up with a new nom de blogue for yourself, yet write virtually the exact same stuff in virtually the exact same style and think nobody is gonna notice???

OK…

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“Sorry I thought you were blowing some sort of SEC horn, Chuck.”

Well I am until another conference team can beat an SEC team in the National Title game.

“Must have been somebody else new with a similar name. (LOL!)”

Oh like the ones you posted above. Right.

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Alls I know is the fastest way to get from Point A to Point B is by following a straight line. Flat, if you will.

Kyle’s column was interesting today. Not recommend it for the left-wingers though.

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Chuck E. Employee,

“Eh tu, brute? I took you for a smarter guy.”

It is rather obvious. Far be it from me to figure out why you decide to change your name rather than to own your past words, unless you don’t wish to own them for some reason….

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“Far be it from me to figure out why you decide to change your name rather than to own your past words, unless you don’t wish to own them for some reason….”

Do we know each other from a past life or something?

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Alls I know is the fastest way to get from Point A to Point B is by following a straight line.

But it’d be a curved line, unless the Earth is really flat. (IW&SH)

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“Naw…midnight blue with champagne silk and wool interior”

Well, sounds pretty nice…but I think she’s got a ways to go to beat the “KEPT” gal!

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There has to be numbers and some sort of equation to create the curve, otherwise it’s an arbitrary scribble on a napkin.

I understand the local hate baggers and conservitards don’t need to know how points A B and C are achieved, they accept it as gospel because the teary eyed Beck drew it for them on a chalkboard. But I need some sort of facts…

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jewcowboy

Jay isn’t a mathematician so……… But alas, he does love football which is great in my book.

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“I understand the local hate baggers and conservitards”

I see Jr. High has let out for the day.

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I’ve devised a new drinking game next door at Ms. Tucker’s—every time Commie comes up with a new sock-puppet, take a shot of the liquor of your choice.

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Chuck E. Employee,

“Do we know each other from a past life or something?”

In my past life I was the Pekingese personal guard dog of Li Yuan during the Tang Dynasty in China…perhaps you were Li Jiancheng?

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Hillbilly:

I’m a flat lander, remember? Don’t want anything obstructing my view.

(ISH)

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Bosch, all I can say is your experience is not like mine. Title transfer is apparently beyond the government template of what is supposed to be normally encountered by the average DMV employee. They were totally lost and they were totally rude (the last of which I ignored considering the attitude of 90% of their obnoxcious clients). I really don’t blame the employees (though in this case the job screeners could have done a little better job). It is the protocol that they have been handed by their government bosses, which is exactly my point. Bureaucracy creates jobs but destroys efficiency and that ultimately wastes taxpayer money because there is no incentive for efficiency because they are spending money that is not theirs. Yea, we can get a license by snail mail, but try anything else outside of that, and they (the DMV) are down for the count. But they are insignificant compared to the Federal Government’s inefficiency. What must it be like? I would like to give you a story about exactly how in-efficient the federal government truly is but it would take way, way too long and it would involve having to devolve things that can’t be said.

Admittedly, as I said before, the DMV is microscopic, but just imagine what the waste must be like on the National level. Maybe it is protocol, maybe it is procedure, maybe it is just pure out “I don’t care”, but it is still waste. Obama and the democrats and their in-action of not presenting a federal budget so far this year within the historically mandated timeline should tell everyone that something is severely amiss in this country. They speak of “government shutdown” but yet they won’t pass a budget though they hold the majority in both Houses of Congress and the Whitehouse. If there ever was a red flag of government/administration failure, this is one.

And Bosch, with the exception of your sometimes passion for name-calling of us conservatives, I still think you and jewdude are two of the better contibutors to this blog. I don’t call my more leftist friends anything but liberals or progressives. If those two terms are considered offensive, I would like to hear the alternatives and I would abide by them and I wish others would do the same. Civil discourse by ALL of us will get us (the American people) much farther than harsh vulgarity and name calling.

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“And Bosch, with the exception of your sometimes passion for name-calling of us conservatives”

Yeah, why is that?

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“Both help me to identify those who are less than truthful.”

So you knew Clinton was lying before he didn’t?

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Once you do that, however, the Laffer Curve no longer functions as a curve at all (see Figure Three). If lower rates always produce more revenue, as the right likes to claim, the Laffer Curve becomes the Laffer Line, and Point A, the sweetspot, stands at a tax rate of zero.
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The Laffer Curve is manipulated for conservative propaganda just like Keynes is manipulated for liberal propaganda.

If you look at Bush tax cut the receipts were up to 18.5% of GDP which is higher than 17.79% average from 1946 to 2009 or the 18.13% since 1980. This was done after a tax cut. Although I don’t believe that tax cuts necessarily lead to more tax revenues, I do believe a growing economy does. Currently, our tax revenues are at 14.8 percent and our outlay are at 25.4.

In 2007 are defict spending was 1.2% of GDP. It was 9.9 for 2008, 10.6 in 2009 and expected to be 8.3 for 2010 but yet no recover for jobs.

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Jay,

“You’re going to get Part Two, Jewcowboy, and you’re going to LIKE IT!!!!!”

eek!

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Del,
“who in Hollywood has the most laffer curves?”

Hands down..Christina Hendricks from Mad Men…

http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/0/10/04_2009/4a53fa2d8ac82b0a_Christina-Hendricks.jpg

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jewcowboy,

Good choice

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I am not runnign for office but why is it so bad to just go back to the Clinton tax rates. Are the dems saying they were not equitable or do the dems just want to promote class war fare.
by the way my wife and I both make over 250K but less than 300K. We have two in priviate high schools at a total costs of 50K a year which I am sure pays the salary of a few people at the school andhave two children in college at a total cost of 75K a year. None of that is tax deductible but provides employment for a number of people. I guess I should just pull my children from private education andput them in public schools and let those schools lay off people.

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Pogo,

I won’t argue with much of what you wrote, I know there is waste and plenty of it, but the DMV is the right’s stereotypical “look at the government waste” when most people don’t even have to step foot there. When I’ve transferred titles, I’ve always done it at the tag place, not the DMV, and they’ve always been polite and incredibly knowledgeable. I think you can also do that online too.

I think you have me confused with someone else as far as namecalling, I am limited to only a few albeit it really memorable times. I call you guys wingnuts all the time, but I do so with the utmost respect. I do think most Earl Greyers are dumb and subtle racists, based on the timing o their poutrage, but what good would it do to surround myself with only those who think like me?

Alright, gotta run! Pleasant evening.

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tm,

“by the way my wife and I both make over 250K but less than 300K”

That is great for you and your family, but the reality is the lower the income…the greater the pinch of loss of income.

If your taxes go up by 5%, you’ll be paying an extra $12.5k out of $250k…on a family earning $45k that would be $2250.

Same proportion…but greater impact on lower wage earners.

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It’s 10. I know a 95 year old, who renewed for 10 more years, within the last year. And yes, he is still a good driver.

Check your facts. At age 65 and beyond, Georgia drivers have to appear in person for a vision test. I know. I had to go in to renew mine, and my wife, who’s 65, has to go in to renew hers this month. You can’t renew online if you’re 65 or over, although you once could before the passage of the law. And BTW, I found the state people doing the renewing very efficient.

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This whole argument about the point being unknowable and maybe even in a constant state of flux is a good one, but it blows the hell out of the lib talking points that purport to know the exact “cost” of their tax increases not getting done. We might be sitting right on the high side of the proper point and raising them will take the rest of the way over this cliff.

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Well if the Laffer worked (Or is it LAUGHER Curve…as the Rich laughing all the way to the bathroom to go piss on the poor)… we’d be able to look back at those who used his “theory” and see the results. After 12 years of Reagan/Bush…more jobs or less? Better growth or a recession? After 8 years of Bush and his tax cuts…more jobs created or less? Growth or more growth because of tax cuts for the rich…the “proof” and evidence is quite clear. Yet those on the right just HATE charts that show their failures in action. So they’ll bash them and say it’s just “smoke and mirrors”… when in reality…it’s the “tax cuts for the rich create jobs” which has PROVEN to be all smoke and mirrors. Yet the poor and middle class on the right keep asking for tax cuts for the rich…tax cuts which never have helped them in the past. It’s like waiting for that “rapture” to happen… it simply never happens. Like the rapture that has never come and “saved them”…”trickle down” has never created jobs and a healthy economy for the middle class…in the end all it’s done is added more of the middle class to the ranks of the poverty class.

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Jay,

You seem to not be in denial that the curve exists, as others here are. They seem to not believe that Point C even exists. The argument may be which side of Point B we are on, but logically the point where taxes are so high that the government obtains less revenue does exist, just as the converse also exists.

One would think that the way to limit government is to limit its revenue, but anymore that doesn’t seem to work, because our “leaders” have learned to spend money they don’t have.

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Saul, you are a confused indiviual. You are mixing metaphors which I don’t think you understand.

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pogo…what part of “no jobs created” by lowering taxes for the richest did YOU not understand?

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“pogo…what part of “no jobs created” by lowering taxes for the richest did YOU not understand?”

When Bush cut taxes, unemployment dropped. In 2006, before the Dems took over, unemployment was 4.4%. .2% lower than it ever was under Clinton.

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F. Sinkwich

Libs want to control everything but their own lives are so screwed up and yes, it is sad.

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gh:

It’s “somebody else’s money,” so they don’t care.

But…but…but…it was Cheney that said that Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter.

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Chuck E,

Don’t bother with Saul. He’s an Obamatron who like his hero and god Obama hates people who have succeeded in society and wants to make them transfer their “ill-gotten gains” to losers like him.

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“And as more of those democrats took office unemployment increased.

FYT

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“name the taxes they raised during 2007-2008. ”

You said it, not me. I never said anything about Dems raising taxes.

“Your point shows that the “tax cuts” created ZERO jobs in the long run and only added to the 8 million jobs lost (since those tax cuts are STILL in effect and have been the entire time)… faulty logic…or should I say no logic at all.”

Saul, please quit making stuff up.

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What I want to see is an analysis of CIM, HTS and NLY, for starters. How the heck can these REITs afford to dish out such dividends? It can’t last but it sure has appeal.

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Saul Good

If the Bush tax cuts are so bad and evil, explain why Democrats, the moderate ones, are calling for Obama to extend them…

Thanks, Chuck.

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I believe these words are from Jay’s post, TaxPayer.

The theory is illustrated by Figure One, to the right. Pay particular attention to the part of the curve labeled C. As the tax rate moves to the left and gets lower, you see government revenues rising. That process continues until you reach the sweetspot, labeled Point A, which in this illustration is at roughly 25 percent.

Point A represents nirvana, the point at which you have both the highest possible government revenue generated by the lowest possible tax rate.

But there’s a downside to the Laffer Curve as well. Note that if you move beyond Point A into the region marked B,

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It’s like I was saying to a good “republican” friend of mine out on the west coast last week when he was talking about the housing crisis….how many homes that have been foreclosed upon or are currently in foreclosure were bought since Obama has been in office? In fact what’s the percentage of them that were bought before the dems took over the senate and congress in early 2007? Nearly ALL of those that got into trouble due to the housing bubble purchased, financed, sold, built, etc those homes PRIOR to 2007. Yet the “housing bubble” was created by the dems right??? Need I post the speeches of Bush talking about 100% no money down financing for minorities…and his glowing report about himself talking about “record minority” home ownership… Obama’s fault again I suppose…sheeesh.

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Chuck show me the “parts” made up with regards to 8 million jobs lost and the tax cuts STILl being 100% in effect. Hurts to be WRONG 100% of the time huh?

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My question about the South WILL and IS rising again is – who cares? What the heck does that really mean anyway? Rise to what? Like you’re going to attempt to secede again or something. Unless the South could somehow export SEC college football they’d go broke inside a week. Why do you think the auto companies that have moved here did so. So they could pay college educated line workers a high wage? They moved here because the labor is cheap and cheap labor is just that.

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“Chuck show me the “parts” made up with regards to 8 million jobs lost and the tax cuts STILl being 100% in effect. Hurts to be WRONG 100% of the time huh?”

Saul, I’m sure you are big in your own little world, but here in the real world no one really cares what you think.

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Looks like the American left has some stiff competition in Europe.

Left-Wing Terrorism Surges In Europe, As Governments Dismantle Social Safety Net

With European governments paring back the social safety net, and businesses blamed for creating a crisis, left-wing terrorism in Europe is on the march, according to a new report from EuroPol (the European Police Office).

http://www.businessinsider.com/left-wing-terrorism-surges-in-europe-2010-9

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Non-sequitor. I said it’s libs want to raise taxes because it’s “somebody else’s money,” so they don’t care.”

Really?

Let’s take a look at the relevant post, shall we?

It’s “somebody else’s money,” so they don’t care.

Please show me where you said, “it’s libs want to raise taxes” cause I can’t find it anywhere.

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“thanks for admitting that you’re wrong.”

The voices in your head must be getting meaner and meaner, huh Saul.

“Take a BIG man like you to admit that you’re in way over your head when understanding simple economic principles that added to job LOSS and not job CREATION. ”

The thing is Saul, you actually think that you have some sort of influence on the way I think. In other words, I couldn’t care less as to what you think about me or anyone else.

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6:52pm.

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Chuck – you are so full of it. So when the economy was losing 750K jobs A MONTH before Obama took office that is somehow his and the Democrats fault. Those tax cuts really helped a lot didn’t they. I’m sure every CEO in the country was thinking about what Obama was going to do over the next year so the housing market, wall street/stock market had nothing to do with it. Nope just people so worried about Obama that for months before he took office they started laying people off and the country almost went down the tubes. Glad you gave us that great conservative insight you’ve got. Geez…..

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Chuck – are you allowed up this late on the computer? Shouldn’t you be getting ready for bed since elementary school starts so early?

What a lame answer to my question about your statement of the South will rise again. You can’t even answer it. All you can do is repeat garbage that’s been said for 100 years. What a waste.

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“are you allowed up this late on the computer? Shouldn’t you be getting ready for bed since elementary school starts so early? ”

Do you always get your insults from Hillary Clinton?

“What a lame answer to my question about your statement of the South will rise again.”

You are one angry little person.

“All you can do is repeat garbage that’s been said for 100 years. What a waste.’

Not as much of a waste as your angry rants.

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Chuck – I have tolerance, unlike you. I just don’t believe in your bull c-r-a-p and I’m willing to say so. Guess this means that you can dish it out but can’t take it so you just curl up in a little ball and say “Mommy, they’re not playing nice. They keep showing how much I distort the truth. Liberals are suppose to just roll-over and play dead aren’t they mommy”

Time for bed little one and go dream of the South rising again. HAHAHAHAH…how lame.

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“Hey, when are all the jobs coming back that Obama promised in 2008?”

Hey…first thing that needed to be done was STOP that massive leak (which was approx. 800,000 jobs being lost a month) when Obama took office. He did just that. First you need to STOP the leak and then FIX the leak BEFORE you can fill the pool again… the right just kept adding more water and did nothing to fix the leak. They STILL have no plans to fix the leak.

Too bad McCain and Palin didn’t win…perhaps we all could have experienced bread lines and soup kitchens. The right never had a plan to fix the economy and still doesn’t. That’s crystal clear.

Anyway…enjoy blaming the WRONG people/party for the mess that was created and that others are working on fixing. CHANGE does not happen over night…most of all when it’s on a scale like was left behind from the last train wreck… nobody said it was going to be easy….not once. So keep blaming those working on a solution for the problems your votes caused in the first place. It’s always easier compared to taking responsibility for ones actions. Me? I’m signing out and off and going out to enjoy a lovely evening with the Mrs…

Add Dee Oss

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“I have tolerance, unlike you.”

Your angry rants say differently.

“Guess this means that you can dish it out but can’t take it so you just curl up in a little ball and say “Mommy, they’re not playing nice.”

The hell are you talking about?

“Time for bed little one and go dream of the South rising again. HAHAHAHAH…how lame.”

Like Tax said, whatever floats your boat.

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Chuck E.

Saul like many of his far left brethren don’t understand the three branches of government. They think that there is only a president who governs our country. They seem to be unaware of a Congress comprised of two houses. A Democratic controlled congress during these difficult economic times doesn’t resonate with them.

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Chuckee made a foul. Improper use of another blogger’s line. That one’s good for a one hundred yard penalty.

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“Chuckee made a foul. Improper use of another blogger’s line. That one’s good for a one hundred yard penalty.”

Only in your mind, Tax.

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Miami, Florida (CNN) – The ex-chairman of the Republican Party of Florida, Jim Greer, is now apologizing for stoking fears about President Obama’s address to school children last year.

Greer, now under indictment on fraud and money-laundering charges after being drummed out of the state party, also accused “many within the GOP” of having “racist views.”

Ya think?

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jewcaboy “If your taxes go up by 5%, you’ll be paying an extra $12.5k out of $250k…on a family earning $45k that would be $2250.”

Same proportion…but greater impact on lower wage earners

How many people am I supporting with my non deductible payment of 125k per year fof education costs with the additional 12.5k in taxes. I think the peerson at 45k can pay an additional 2250 if Clinton thought it was ok,

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idiots who voted for Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_JJLLfTR8I&feature=player_embedded

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Chuck,

Now you’ve gotten a taste of how us so called ‘liberals’ see most of the comments made by conservative such as you. Too many times it is nothing but name calling and put downs without any real discussion of the relevent points in the article that Jay wrote. It basically breaks down into a food fight which to me serves no purpose whatsoever. I rarely post comments here but I felt this time would be good in an attempt to prove a point and hopefully all of us could use it as a lesson on how NOT to have a civil discussion. Now if you don’t want civil discourse then that is your prerogative.

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Chuck:

“Oh well, life is good.”

Judging by the mood of the electorate, you’re right. Kam, Saul, Tax, etc., will never concede the errors of their ways. They think they are entitled to other people’s money.

Wealth envy. Kinda pathetic.

As John Wayne said, “Life’s tough. it’s even tougher when you’re stupid.”

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No, I’d say “having racist views” are the key words.

Notwithstanding that yet another of the countless con crooks gets caught with his hands in the American cookie jar…

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Fly-on-the-wall

The Bookman blog bozo’s have absolutely no effect on me whatsoever. I envision them as tiny little chihuahuas nipping at my ankles.

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“No, I’d say “having racist views” are the key words.”

Robert Byrd used to say that, too. Great klanner he was and a great democrat.

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F. Sinkwich

Yeah, and their anger is growing by the day. Can’t wait until November when left wingers heads explode simultaneously.

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So every one is in agreement, Cllinton was the greatest in reducing the deficit and we should return to ALL of the tax bracket that he had before the Bush tax cuts.

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Yeah, and their anger amusement is growing by the day.

Fixed your typo, Commie.

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“I know we can’t do comprehensive immigration reform,” Reid said at a news conference. “But those Republicans we had in the last Congress have left us.”

The plot thickens.

He put immigration in the defense bill.

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“Fixed your typo, Commie.”

Oh, and how am I a commie? I hate communism as much as I hate liberalism.

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Spirited debate lads. There doesn’t appear to be any lasses here this evening, so apart from the “laffer curves” don’t you think Inez from Aztek TV has great curves?

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[...] In a post yesterday, we took a look at the theory behind supply-side economics and the Laffer Curve. So I think it’s time to look at how the theory has worked in practice, focusing on two separate experiments with supply-side economics in the past 30 years. [...]

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Del

Turns out the Aztec Princess lied about being harassed.

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Chuck E.

Bless her anyway!

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AmVet

When you were in the Coast Guard, did you rescue a lot of Cubans?

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Not to worry, Grand Forks, I just like seeing you get all worked up.

And to laugh at the fact that when you are asked to corroborate any of the weird stuff you say, you get even weirder.

But I’ve already grown tired of your unevolved sophomoric nonsense.

I’m sure others will be glad to keep feeding you, but I do not suffer fools gladly.

So until we meet again, when you have yet another new moniker, au revoir gophare…

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del

She had on some tight jeans, her curves were no laffer. I have no sympathy for her, you go into a room full of jocks and well…..you get a room full of jocks. If you can’t handle the jockstraps, get the hell out of the locker room…

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“He is a brilliant observer, philosopher, and unbiased arbiter of the American politic.”

Yeah, in his own drugged out mind.

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sink

amvet runs circles around moronic conservative drivel. Mostly because he’s one of the sharper tools in the shed but mainly because your arguments are pretty lame.

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chuck

She loves the attention and knows the power of her sex appeal. I must admit, she’s hot… the hell with political correctness – yes, boys will be boys.

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**True, but making it up to get attention is just dumb**

Dumb blonde? no way – way….

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**She’s not a real blonde.**

Who is?

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You’re living on borrowed time, Chuck E. In another week, Jay will be banning your new ISP, and you’ll be back on Tucker’s blog. You’re like the big bad wolf in that sheepskin, but your ears stick out for all to recognize. Too bad you lack the IQ to change your style.

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Buh bye Mike Castle, RINO-

http://www.politico.com/2010/maps/

See ya, wouldn’t want to be ya…

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Kamchak at 8:13,

I suspect that is only a partial list.

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“But the problem is, something very destructive happened in the translation of this economic theory into political language and policy. In the popular conservative version of the Laffer Curve, no debate over the location of Point A is even tolerated, because cutting tax rates is said to ALWAYS generate more government revenue.”

All of that windup to throw out a straw man? This argument is pathetic, even by Jay’s standards. Unfortunately, Jay is describing an extreme viewpoint to which few conservatives subscribe.

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Have you ever asked yourself “Have I stayed too long at the fair?”

Haven’t you already declared that you have stayed too long at the fair?

On four separate occasions?

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That will be a dem win in the primary Andy.

Check the polls.

It will not be close.

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Kamchak:

You may wanna go back to this morning’s thread and count forward.

@@’s posts=???

Kamchak’s posts=???

I only take an occasional ride on the Tilt-A-Whirl. You’re stuck on the Ferris Wheel.

Your life. Have fun.

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Callipygian indeed.

New thread.

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Jay:

Seriously ……… if you took all of the energy you spend trying to make a “silk purse out of a pig’s ear” you could really make a difference out there.

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Gitmo- Scott Brown didn’t stand a chance either.

We are cleaning our house and we will soon be cleaning yourn.

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Mick:

Of course he is my president, and Bush’s and McCain’s and everyone else but he has experienced much, much less of the virtriol thown at Former President Bush.

However, he is more than just “a” president.

He is not our first black president, our first Muslim president or even our first socialist president.

No, Barack Hussein Obama is our first foreign president and that is truly scary”

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ever hear the “take two” from the White Album (Revolution)? let’s say this urban myth is true. let’s say Laffer, a pointy-headed intellectual economist scribbled some notes on a cocktail napkin, which presented a half-baked theory about reduced taxes actually benfiting Americans through a more robust economy. do you think the pathetic, draft-doding up and coming GOP operative had a “moment of clariity” and said; “wow, prosperity for all! this is great!”? OR, do you think like Simon Bar Sinister (Underdog) he rubbed his hands and said, “this illusion is perfect. We can use the formula on this napkin to sell Americans on the idea that tax cuts will benefit ALL Americans! yeah, that’s the ticket, we can sell Americans on the idea that cutting taxes and taking the national debt to new heights is actually patriotic!” OR, do you think he saw the napkin as a “roophie” he could slip into America’s drink so he and a hanful of his closest friends could date rape a nation?

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Scout… I felt an obligation to inform you that Hawaii is NOW a state and is part of the USA…has been since 1959. Please try to read/purchase history books that a bit more up to date.

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[...] In a post yesterday, we took a look at the theory as it illustrated in the Laffer Curve. Now it’s time to look at how the theory has worked in practice, focusing on the two separate experiments with supply-side economics that we’ve run in the past 30 years. [...]

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