The Laffer Curve debunked; Part One

It all began, back in the day, with the Laffer Curve.

In the early ’70s, economist Arthur Laffer and his acolytes began preaching a very simple idea: By cutting taxes — always a politically popular move — it was possible to actually increase government revenue. As the story goes, Laffer illustrated the seemingly magical concept for Dick Cheney, among others, by drawing the curve on a cocktail napkin in a Washington hotel bar. (The versions published here, created by yours truly, attempt to honor the original in their crudeness. At least that’s my excuse.)

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Figure One

The idea was quickly seized upon by leading Republican conservatives, who used it to justify major tax cuts in the early ’80s and have continued to do so ever since, under the rubric “supply-side economics.” And under the right conditions, the argument behind the Laffer Curve does make some sense.

Without a doubt, excessively high taxes can strip needed capital from the private economy, reducing investment and spending and thus curtailing growth. By cutting taxes, you can theoretically free up capital and encourage investment, and the resulting growth will generate more government revenue than you had in the first place.

The theory is illustrated by Figure One, to the right. Pay particular attention to the part of the curve labeled C. As the tax rate moves to the left and gets lower, you see government revenues rising. That process continues until you reach the sweetspot, labeled Point A, which in this illustration is at roughly 25 percent.

Point A represents nirvana, the point at which you have both the highest possible government revenue generated by the lowest possible tax rate.

But there’s a downside to the Laffer Curve as well. Note that if you move beyond Point A into the region marked B, tax rates continue to fall but this time revenue plummets. Region B represents the part of the curve where cutting taxes does NOT generate enough growth to compensate, and in fact may not generate any growth at all.

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Figure Two

So the trick, it would appear, is to identify where Point A is. But that’s difficult to impossible, in part because the location of Point A probably varies wildly from country to country, era to era and tax system to tax system.

Figure Two, for example, offers just as plausible a depiction of the tax rate’s impact on revenue as Figure One.  In this example, Point A, the sweetspot, is at roughly 60 percent; any reduction in rates below that point would put you into Region B, where government revenues would drop. (NOTE: The percentages used here are for discussion purposes only and are not intended to reflect actual taxation or its impact).

But the problem is, something very destructive happened in the translation of this economic theory into political language and policy. In the popular conservative version of the Laffer Curve, no debate over the location of Point A is even tolerated, because cutting tax rates is said to ALWAYS generate more government revenue.

In effect, Region B, the part of the curve in which lower tax rates produce sharply lower government revenue, has simply been banished from the discussion.

Figure Three

Figure Three

Once you do that, however, the Laffer Curve no longer functions as a curve at all (see Figure Three). If lower rates always produce more revenue, as the right likes to claim, the Laffer Curve becomes the Laffer Line, and Point A, the sweetspot, stands at a tax rate of zero.

While that makes no sense mathematically, politically it is an enormously appealing notion. It’s like telling someone with an obesity problem that the best way to lose weight is to always eat more ice cream — more times than not, their eagerness to believe overwhelms any skepticism.

Or to paraphrase the argument:

“Cutting taxes doesn’t add to the deficit, it’s how we fight the deficit!! Less is more, don’t you see?? Reagan proved it. Oh, and hand me that chocolate sauce and whipped cream, will you?”

Coming tomorrow: The search for Point A.

285 comments Add your comment

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 14th, 2010
4:01 pm

Well, what happened to starving the guvmint till it gets small enough you can drown it in a bath tub? That’s the point I want to see.

Pogo

September 14th, 2010
4:14 pm

Dream on with your graphs Jay. Cut un-necesary government spending first and then talk taxes. If you can sit and say that our government isn’t rife with waste then I would have to call you either a liar or dumb. The big three, SS, defense spending and Medicare are all fair game for cutting if in no other area than the bureaucratic and administrative levels. Then there is the “death by a thousand cuts” type expenditures where all kinds of small wasteful government programs hemorrhage our money continuously for pretty much no purpose other than to exist and to provide government jobs. It isn’t, as the liberals like to say, the police or the firefighters, it is the pork. It is government inefficiency. It is bloated bureaucracy. It is a million things that anyone with half a brain can see but the liberals don’t seem to want to. No private business would last if it handled its budget like the federal government. Yea, I can hear it now; their Mandate is different, bla bla bla. No their mandate is to watch after the American people and placing the American under unbearable un-sustainable deficits is not watching out for them. Cut spending and raise taxes in that order.

Bosch

September 14th, 2010
4:16 pm

“It’s like telling someone with an obesity problem that the best way to lose weight is to always eat more ice cream — more times than not, their eagerness to believe overwhelms any skepticism.”

Case in point, every wingnut on this here blog.

jewcowboy

September 14th, 2010
4:17 pm

Eek! I feel like I’m back in Econ with the graphs….

Shawny

September 14th, 2010
4:17 pm

Excellent description on Laffer. Of course, us conservatives that do not fall in line with populist rhetoric understand that there is a Point A and not a laffer line.

There are two points to raising taxes that many do not consider, where the optimum point A is at a lower rate than you might think.
Point 1 is that not only do higher taxes take money out of the ’system’ reducing capital for investment and growth, but higher taxes are a disincentive to earning more, an incentive for ‘hiding’ income via shelters, and an incentive for hiding income altogether, reducing federal receipts.

Point 2 is that if the true intent is to raise federal receipts, then something needs to be done about the tax code. It is too easy to hide money overseas, in housing investments, and other places. How about a fair tax? No, not that goofy one proposed by many that is a consumption tax, but simply a progressive line that increases in rate in very short increments. No IRS, no April 15th, just pay as you go.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:18 pm

So Jay, if tax cuts are so bad, then why are Democrats even telling Obama to extend them?

Bosch

September 14th, 2010
4:19 pm

Shawny,

“No, not that goofy one proposed by many that is a consumption tax”

Now, that….was funny. The goofy one….. :-)

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:20 pm

“Laffer illustrated the seemingly magical concept for Dick Cheney”

Gotta get Dick in there! Jay, is there a day when you or Ms. Tucker don’t blame everything on Rush, Palin, Bush or Cheney?

Pogo

September 14th, 2010
4:22 pm

This is for the Sean Penn’s, Danny Glover’s and Jays in the world that want to dabble in socialist politics.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/13/love-affair-with-leftists/?page=2

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:23 pm

Pogo

Not sure if you heard but……..

Cuba to cut 500,000 from state payroll

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4cd17af4-bf5e-11df-965a-00144feab49a.html?ftcamp=rss

jewcowboy

September 14th, 2010
4:24 pm

Pogo,

“Cut un-necesary government spending first and then talk taxes.”

Please outline the specific cuts that would be achievable politically where both Republican and Democrat agree.

Jay

September 14th, 2010
4:24 pm

So that’s your rebuttal, Chuck?

“Hah! He mentioned Cheney!!”???

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:25 pm

THOSE RACIST FRENCH!!!!!!!!!!

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The Senate voted 246 to 1 Tuesday in favor of the bill, which has already passed in the lower chamber, the National Assembly.

TaxPayer

September 14th, 2010
4:25 pm

Come on, Jay. There’s a laffer, Part Deux. Have you been talking to that Kyle Wingfield fella or something. “A” is located at the point or points where dR/dt = 0. Everyone knows that. By the way, the theory as I understand it being originally presented was that revenue would be zero at either extreme so any laffer curve purist would necessarily need to modify your straight line to show an instantaneous jump from the coordinate pair (0,0) to some mythical magical pair, (”It’s magic”,0).

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:26 pm

“So that’s your rebuttal, Chuck?”

Nope, here’s my rebuttal: November 2, 2010

Oh, and Jay this is just for you!

Yea, Alabama! Drown ‘em Tide!
Every ‘Bama man’s behind you,
Hit your stride.
Go teach the Bulldogs to behave,
Send the Yellow Jackets to a watery grave.
And if a man starts to weaken,
That’s a shame!
For Bama’s pluck and grit have
Writ her name in Crimson flame.
Fight on, fight on, fight on men!
Remember the Rose Bowl, we’ll win then.
So roll on to victory,
Hit your stride,
You’re Dixie’s football pride,
Crimson Tide, Roll Tide, Roll Tide!!

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 14th, 2010
4:27 pm

Figuring out where points A, B, and C are is the conundrum.

And on a related note, I’d be all for a Flat Tax. Get rid of all the deductions and breaks and start over. It would, of course, take about 30 years to phase in. But if I ever lived to see that, I would probably have a heart attack and die.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:30 pm

Jay, here is a shining example of Democrat hypocrisy.

Some Democrats urge Pelosi to extend Bush tax cuts temporarily

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/13/democrats-urge-pelosi-to-extend-bush-tax-cuts-temporarily/

arnold

September 14th, 2010
4:31 pm

Any time you spend more than you receive, you are in the hole. Laffer was smoking something.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:31 pm

This too Jay.

Divided Democrats battle each other over extending tax cuts for rich

he issues of taxes roiled the Democratic party on Monday, with several members staking out ground in the debate.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) blasted Republicans for holding up tax cuts for the middle class to preserve tax cuts for the wealthy, while other Democrats in the House and Senate warned ending any tax cuts could hurt the struggling economy.

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/118399-reid-says-extending-richs-tax-cuts-would-hurt-economy

Haywood Jablome

September 14th, 2010
4:32 pm

<i?It’s like telling someone with an obesity problem that the best way to lose weight is to always eat more ice cream

A.K.A. Adkins Diet

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:32 pm

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Palin fan

September 14th, 2010
4:35 pm

Cutting taxes and reducing government are the simple and proved conservative methods for growing our economy and taking back our country, freedom and liberties.

Just look at the rallies. America is tired of Obama’s socialism and the lamestream media!!!

Scout

September 14th, 2010
4:36 pm

KEEP WHISTLING IN THE DARK !!

Scout

September 14th, 2010
4:37 pm

Jay:

Can you fix it so we can draw graphs on here. I have something special …………….. :o

Del

September 14th, 2010
4:38 pm

Good grief more diagrams and nonsense. Absolutely right, raise taxes, discourage capital investment, confuse the hell out of the private business sector and go out and campaign some more. Certainly there must be believers somewhere and there is, right here on the blog. Think I’ll skip the Point A diagrams.

barking frog

September 14th, 2010
4:39 pm

The Laffer curve is correctly named.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:39 pm

I notice that the left will often slam the south which I think has come back to haunt them. The south has more guns, more money and more freedom than than anywhere else in the USA. The south doesn’t have the debt that most left wing states have.

I guess they were right. The south WILL and IS rising again.

jewcowboy

September 14th, 2010
4:40 pm

Palin fan,

Rallies prove tax cuts and reduced government grow the economy? Interesting theory.

And what freedom and liberties have you lost due to the Obama administration?

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:40 pm

Del

Right on, right on, right on! The left cannot justify anything that Obama and the Dems have done since 2008. Nothing.

Pogo

September 14th, 2010
4:41 pm

jewdude, been to the DMV lately? A fine example of waste on a microscopic scale. What must it be like at the macroscopic?

TaxPayer

September 14th, 2010
4:41 pm

I think it is worse than you imagined, Jay. The cons on here do not even know where this con job originated. They apparently just know its true because they’ve been told that it is.

Doggone/GA

September 14th, 2010
4:42 pm

“A.K.A. Adkins Diet”

Spelling is obviously not your strong point…and neither are diets.

Pogo

September 14th, 2010
4:43 pm

TP, we know where the con started and it was with Wilson and Roosevelt.

Jay

September 14th, 2010
4:43 pm

Sorry Del.

Didn’t mean to make your head hurt.

Pogo

September 14th, 2010
4:44 pm

And maybe a little Marx and Lenin thrown in there TP.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:44 pm

“been to the DMV lately?”

Every single DMV worker is a shining example of what happens when kids drop out of school. The workers have little to no brain cells and the ones I’ve dealt with in Atlanta can’t even put a complete sentence together.

EX: Mr. *&^^&^^, plea look at eye chart and tell me what, hey look Nelly put another album out, ok do that plea.

Del

September 14th, 2010
4:44 pm

Chuck E.

Of course they can’t, so they’ll just make some things up. Lemming-Aid, it calms their anxiety.

jewcowboy

September 14th, 2010
4:45 pm

Pogo,

“been to the DMV lately?”

No…I renew onliine.

“What must it be like at the macroscopic?”

So then please outline the specific cuts that would be achievable politically where both Republican and Democrat agree.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:45 pm

“Didn’t mean to make your head hurt.”

Sounds like what Nick Saban said to Jo Pa.

Bosch

September 14th, 2010
4:45 pm

“ewdude, been to the DMV lately? A fine example of waste on a microscopic scale.”

Pogo, my son turned 16 about a year ago — the DMV is the right’s whipping boy — but we were in and out in about 30 minutes — driving test and all. And why in the world would you even go to the DMV anymore? If you need to renew your license, you can do it on-line, you can even get a 15 year license (I think, maybe 10) — so yes, I’d say that the DMV is pretty efficient these days.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:46 pm

Del

My favorite was when Bosch wrote that only Republicans signed on to the two wars. Classic!

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:46 pm

“the DMV is the right’s whipping boy”

Another classic example of a lie.

AmVet

September 14th, 2010
4:47 pm

“The south has…more money than than anywhere else in the USA.”

???

What the ____?

Patently false and amazingly laughable to even assert such an inane claim.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:47 pm

“And why in the world would you even go to the DMV anymore?”

Uh, like you said Bosch, to take a kid to get his or her’s drivers license.

Bosch

September 14th, 2010
4:47 pm

Chuck/LA/Grand Forks or whatever you are calling yourself these days,

“My favorite was when Bosch wrote that only Republicans signed on to the two wars. Classic!”

No, I didn’t write that. Try again.

Del

September 14th, 2010
4:47 pm

JAY,

Yes…ouch!

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:48 pm

“Patently false and amazingly laughable to even assert such an inane claim.”

And here I was wondering where Mr. Cross out line went. How nice of you NOT to debunk my claim and instead write out something that you don’t even understand.

jewcowboy

September 14th, 2010
4:48 pm

Bosch,

“f you need to renew your license, you can do it on-line, you can even get a 15 year license (I think, maybe 10) ”

I moved to GA in 1996…and I still have the same picture on my license…and it doesn’t expire until 2018…I’ll be 23 forever!

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:48 pm

“Chuck/LA/Grand Forks or whatever you are calling yourself these days,”

Bosch, are you on drugs?

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:49 pm

“No, I didn’t write that. Try again.”

Yes Bosch, you did.

Bosch

September 14th, 2010
4:50 pm

“Yes Bosch, you did.”

No, I didn’t, liar.

Mongo

September 14th, 2010
4:51 pm

“The south WILL and IS rising again.”

Sounds like someone is auditioning for a new viagra commercial.

TaxPayer

September 14th, 2010
4:52 pm

Has Jay ever had any of these cons get into a real debate using facts and analysis or even a thought process.

AmVet

September 14th, 2010
4:52 pm

Whenever I hear or read about the Laffer Curve, I always think of this scene…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmxpftPFXZg

(Interesting that damn near the only elected Republican with any guts in Washington in the past 30 years called it for the farce it was and still is…)

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:52 pm

Bosch, yes, yes you did.

3:42 on the last Bookman blog: “So, you think the same people who got us into two wars”

You were writing about the GOP and never said anything about how the Dems also signed onto the two wars.

jewcowboy

September 14th, 2010
4:53 pm

Jay

September 14th, 2010
4:53 pm

Rematch on Sept. 10, 2011, Chuck.

At our place.

Our frosh QB will be a lot better by then too.

But JoePa won’t be any younger.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:53 pm

“Whenever I hear or read about the Laffer Curve, I always think of this scene…”

Great movie.

Bosch

September 14th, 2010
4:54 pm

Chuck,

Sorry, but no where did I write that it was only the GOP who got us into two wars.

AmVet

September 14th, 2010
4:54 pm

Grand Forks, I could embarrass you with list after list and fact after fact showing that your claim is absurd, but lets face it, we all know it would not matter to you one iota.

Being factually averse is your shtick, no matter which of the 12 names you hide behind…

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:55 pm

“Rematch on Sept. 10, 2011, Chuck.”

Yeah, bigger beat down. McElroy will be a Senior as will Ingram.

“At our place. ”

The rematch could be at the South Pole and Penn would get slammed.

Penn State, and the Big Ten for that matter, can’t beat Saban.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:56 pm

“Sorry, but no where did I write that it was only the GOP who got us into two wars.”

When you wrote: “So, you think the same people who got us into two wars”

Meaning, you didn’t write anything about the Dems. You only stated that the “same people” meaning Repubs were the ones.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:57 pm

“Grand Forks, I could embarrass you with list after list and fact after fact showing that your claim is absurd, but lets face it, we all know it would not matter to you one iota.”

You and Bosch must be dropping the same acid.

jewcowboy

September 14th, 2010
4:57 pm

TaxPayer,

“Has Jay ever had any of these cons get into a real debate using facts and analysis or even a thought process.”

The have trouble “refudiating” things that can’t be summed up in a slogan, catch-phrase or fear inducing attack.

AmVet

September 14th, 2010
4:58 pm

JB, I had great fun partying with and ribbing the Buckeye fans in Myrtle Beach this weekend. I warned them that starting next year they had better start getting used to losing again! We all had much merriment and drinks together and they pretty much to a man and woman were happy that NU was joining the Little Eleven.

And the Huskers and Nittany Lions are going to see a lot of each other coming up. With those two, OSU and a revived Michigan, it will be time to put that SEC thing to rest…(grin)

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
4:59 pm

“it will be time to put that SEC thing to rest…(grin)”

4 straight NT and rolling…….

ROLL TIDE ROLL! 13 National Titles and 26 SEC Championships.

Bosch

September 14th, 2010
5:00 pm

Chuck/LA/Who whatever,

I’m not going to argue over what I meant and what I didn’t. You can interpret it however you please, but it isn’t what I wrote, not what I think. I didn’t write that it was only the GOP who got us into two wars.

I also DIDN’T write that aliens have invaded the planet Earth and taken over your mind — so does that mean it’s true and it’s what I think?

And, as before, with your other personas, I don’t plan to discuss anything else with you. You’re sophmoric and boring, but have a nice blogging experience.

Doggone/GA

September 14th, 2010
5:00 pm

“The ultimate Atkins Diet ensemble”

I’ve been avoiding looking those photos…I’m just SURE I don’t want to see them!

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
5:00 pm

AmVet

You’ll probably call me a liar on this as well, but here’s an interesting fact. You can look it up.

Ohio State has never beaten an SEC team in a bowl game. Ever.

Jefferson

September 14th, 2010
5:00 pm

The GOP worships money so much they think anyone who has much must be contributing more to society, ie are better people.

Kamchak

September 14th, 2010
5:01 pm

Arthur Laffer in 2006 on CNBC:

-”The United States economy has never been in better shape!”

-”Monetary policy is spectacular!”

-”This economy…is working beautifully!”

-To Schiff: “I’ve never heard so many mistakes!”

Too funny.

AmVet

September 14th, 2010
5:01 pm

So Chuck, prove your bizarre assertion that “The south has…more money…than than anywhere else in the USA.”

Take your time. You’re gonna need it.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
5:01 pm

“I’m not going to argue over what I meant and what I didn’t. You can interpret it however you please, but it isn’t what I wrote, not what I think. I didn’t write that it was only the GOP who got us into two wars. ”

You did and you did. You also heightened the argument when you called me a liar.

“And, as before, with your other personas, I don’t plan to discuss anything else with you. You’re sophmoric and boring, but have a nice blogging experience.”

Dude, what the hell are you talking about?

Jay

September 14th, 2010
5:01 pm

Chuck, I hate to correct a man in public about his own team, but …

McElroy is a senior and will be long gone, so you’ll be playing fresh meat at QB just as we were this year.

I suspect Ingram will be playing on Sundays by then too.

jewcowboy

September 14th, 2010
5:02 pm

AmVet / Bosch,

Isn’t it interesting how one’s writing style can give one away? If you are going to post under a different name and deny it, at least alter your writing style.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
5:02 pm

AmVet

Surplus. It’s all about the surplus, my friend.

Del

September 14th, 2010
5:02 pm

Bama and Ohio State this year…disclaimer, Pryor needs to mature some more.

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 14th, 2010
5:03 pm

“f you need to renew your license, you can do it on-line, you can even get a 15 year license (I think, maybe 10) ”

It’s 10. I know a 95 year old, who renewed for 10 more years, within the last year. And yes, he is still a good driver.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
5:04 pm

Jay

You’re right, I was thinking Ingram. Either way, Penn State will not now, or anytime soon, beat Bama.

Saban is the best coach money can buy.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
5:04 pm

Del

Like I said, O State has never beaten an SEC team in bowl history.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
5:05 pm

jewcowboy

Eh tu, brute? I took you for a smarter guy.

AmVet

September 14th, 2010
5:06 pm

“Ohio State has never beaten an SEC team in a bowl game.”

And that means what to me?

Here are a couple of scores for ya, though:

January 2, 1996 – Nebraska 62, Florida 24

January 2, 1998 – Nebraska 42, Tennessee 17

(And both were even bigger slaughters than the final score shows.)

Hillbilly Deluxe

September 14th, 2010
5:06 pm

Something I was wondering about a while back, when all the Conference swapping was going on, if the Big 10 had gone to 12 teams and the Big 12 had gone to 10 teams, would the Big 10 have become the Big 12 and the Big 12 become the Big 10?

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
5:08 pm

Jay, I noticed you like Neko Case.

Quick story: A few years ago a buddy and I saw here live at The Tabernacle. My buddy had a few too many PBR’s and went right up to her when she was leaving, and planted a big wet one on her lips. I would have figured she would have knocked his teeth out, but instead she smiled and said “glad you are a fan” and walked off.

True story.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

September 14th, 2010
5:08 pm

Oh don’t whine, kookman, you’ll get back in power in about fifty years or so.

Enjoy the time in the wilderness, hahahaha.

~~~~~

The Boehner of Obama’s speech is a partisan rube pitching the same old Republican snake oil. Of course, if that were true, then the man would be no threat at all, and Democrats wouldn’t need to send the president out to attack him.

A look at Boehner’s recent speeches and proposals suggests that he has been reshaping the Republican Party in a manner that should make it much more attractive to middle-of-the-road voters, and doing so with, yes, some new ideas. No wonder Obama is scared.

Actually, obozo is an idiot but whatever.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
5:08 pm

“January 2, 1996 – Nebraska 62, Florida 24

January 2, 1998 – Nebraska 42, Tennessee 17″

And that means what to me?

Scout

September 14th, 2010
5:08 pm

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
5:09 pm

“(And both were even bigger slaughters than the final score shows.)”

Well one, back then Nebraska was in the Big 12, still are as of this year. Two, neither of those teams involved Alabama.

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLL TIDE.

jewcowboy

September 14th, 2010
5:09 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe,

“And yes, he is still a good driver.”

I have a friend who is her mid-30’s about 5′ – 3″ tall, but who has a fully restored ‘63 Cadillac DeVille as a weekend car. When she takes it on the interstate she wraps her hair in a Pucci silk scarf and drives with blinker on the whole time and weaves a little so people won’t tailgate her….they don’t want anywhere near her.

Del

September 14th, 2010
5:09 pm

Chuck E.

I wouldn’t bet on them but I wouldn’t bet against them if it gets there this year.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
5:11 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

They don’t even know. Every conference is trying to compete with the SEC and it is not working.

AmVet

September 14th, 2010
5:11 pm

Sorry I thought you were blowing some sort of SEC horn, Chuck. Must have been somebody else new with a similar name. (LOL!)

“If you are going to post under a different name and deny it, at least alter your writing style.”

And this is the point that I have laughed at for years now, jewcowboy.

You come up with a new nom de blogue for yourself, yet write virtually the exact same stuff in virtually the exact same style and think nobody is gonna notice???

OK…

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
5:12 pm

Del

I would never bet on Ohio State against an SEC team. History shows O State is 0-10 against the SEC in bowl history.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
5:13 pm

“Sorry I thought you were blowing some sort of SEC horn, Chuck.”

Well I am until another conference team can beat an SEC team in the National Title game.

“Must have been somebody else new with a similar name. (LOL!)”

Oh like the ones you posted above. Right.

Doggone/GA

September 14th, 2010
5:14 pm

“they don’t want anywhere near her.”

It’s not a pink caddy, with the license plate “KEPT” by any chance, is it?

@@

September 14th, 2010
5:14 pm

Alls I know is the fastest way to get from Point A to Point B is by following a straight line. Flat, if you will.

Kyle’s column was interesting today. Not recommend it for the left-wingers though.

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
5:15 pm

AmVet

You seem like a good ole dude. I like your orneriness and you have great taste in movies, from what I can tell.

jewcowboy

September 14th, 2010
5:16 pm

Chuck E. Employee,

“Eh tu, brute? I took you for a smarter guy.”

It is rather obvious. Far be it from me to figure out why you decide to change your name rather than to own your past words, unless you don’t wish to own them for some reason….

jewcowboy

September 14th, 2010
5:18 pm

Doggone/GA,

“It’s not a pink caddy, with the license plate “KEPT” by any chance, is it?”

Naw…midnight blue with champagne silk and wool interior…and approximately 47 ash trays ;)

Chuck E. Employee

September 14th, 2010
5:18 pm

“Far be it from me to figure out why you decide to change your name rather than to own your past words, unless you don’t wish to own them for some reason….”

Do we know each other from a past life or something?