Watching Iraq from our rear-view mirror

NOTE: This post, a copy of today’s AJC column, includes material published earlier on the blog.

Eight years ago this week, the Bush administration was set to launch an all-out “shock and awe” publicity campaign designed to drive us into war in Iraq. (You may recall that the effort was held back until after Labor Day because, as a White House official later explained, “from a marketing point of view, you don’t introduce new products in August.”)

It’s important that the American people remember that campaign, because it reminds us how easily fear can be used to manipulate public opinion. Dire warnings of mushroom clouds rising over American cities and of Iraqi unmanned aerial vehicles launching WMD attacks against us may seem implausible in hindsight, but coming from top U.S. officials, they seemed all too real. Over the next few months, they frightened the American people and Congress into an ill-conceived invasion that would cost more than 4,000 American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars.

Tonight, President Obama is scheduled to go on national television to announce that the U.S. combat role in Iraq has finally ended. Although 50,000 troops remain, they are no longer actively deployed in support of Iraqi security. In fact, in his radio address Saturday, Obama reiterated his pledge that “by the end of next year, all of our troops will be home.”

The most interesting thing about the president’s speech tonight will be its tone. As he did Saturday, Obama will no doubt offer a well-deserved tribute to the more than a million Americans who have served in uniform in Iraq. He is also certain to note that the drawdown honors his 2008 campaign pledge. (It’s hard to give him a lot of credit for that, though, since the withdrawal schedule was largely set by President Bush.)

In a speech last week to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Vice President Joe Biden was largely upbeat about the situation in Iraq, noting that violence has decreased from three or four years ago and that Iraqi security forces now have responsibility for defending their country. Biden also claimed that “Iraqi leaders who once settled disputes through violence are at this very moment ironing out their differences in face-to-face negotiations,” predicting that those negotiations will soon produce a new Iraqi government.

I wish I shared Biden’s optimism, but I don’t. While the 2007 surge of U.S. troops succeeded in halting the unraveling of Iraq, the larger goals of the surge remain unmet. The Iraqis have yet to enact an oil law to fairly distribute the proceeds of their national wealth, and they have yet to work out how to share power among their major sects. As a result, more than five months after national elections in March, no new national government has taken shape.

And without progress, there will be regression. Although it remains below peak levels, violence has begun to increase again, and the Iraqi people appear increasingly discouraged about the prospects of democracy actually functioning. Each week without an elected government moves them closer to reverting to cruder, more familiar forms of authority.

For all those reasons and more, I suspect that Obama will be more careful than Biden in expressing his expectations about Iraq’s future. At best, he could argue that the U.S. military mission in Iraq has been a success, but he cannot claim that the war itself has been won.

In fact, the Iraq war is likely to end as the war in Vietnam ended. That doesn’t mean that the last Americans in Baghdad will have to be airlifted by helicopter from the Green Zone. It does mean that as in Vietnam, events in Iraq have now been arranged to allow U.S. forces to be withdrawn under seemingly honorable conditions, leaving Iraq’s future to be determined by Iraqis.

As it should have been all along.

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The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:03 am

“EDUCATION SEC URGED STAFF: GO TO SHARPTON RALLY ”

You’d have to pay me a ton of money to have a job that requires this.

Doggone/GA

August 31st, 2010
8:04 am

In the main, I agree with what you wrote…except I have very little sympathy for their “no government” problem. If they wanted a functioning government, they should not have opted for a parliamentary system. They sowed it, now they have to reap the consequences.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:06 am

PAPER: CLIMATE CHANGE LIES ARE EXPOSED…

Ah yes, continued debunking of the global warming scare.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/196642

Mick

August 31st, 2010
8:08 am

Man, the last nine years have been grueling with these endless wars. Will obama have the guts to get out of afghanistan and cut our losses? I, like millions of others are tired of war and its collateral damage to the men, families, and our country. We had saddam boxed in, war was so unnecessary but here we are dazed and confused almost a decade later.

Bruno

August 31st, 2010
8:10 am

“NOTE: This post, a copy of today’s AJC column, includes material published earlier on the blog.”

No problem, Jay. A lot of bloggers here need to state a similar caveat to their own posts, especially whenever the topic of religion comes up.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:11 am

“Glenn Beck crowd: Not so white as advertised
Many creeds, colors in attendance refute charges of racism against rally”

This will make many a libs head explode.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 31st, 2010
8:14 am

Well, there you go again. Blaming it all on Bush. This Obama’s been President for almost two whole years, so he gets the blame now. Besides, Bush was a Great President that always told the truth and acted all honest-like.

I thought I’d add that to save Sister Dusty some time so she can focus more on her Whopper Jr. at lunch break.

Anyhow, in a way it’s kind of a sad time, what with the war about over for us in Iraq except for 50,000 or so of our troops and maybe another 1,000 deaths of our troops there. I reckon the Towelheads don’t care if the troops we leave ain’t combat troops because they’re going to try and kill them just the same. Anyways, I’m sure glad none of my family was killed in that war. Too bad about the other families, but you got to crack some eggs to make a omelette. Maybe if us Republicans can get back in power we can find another place to start a war.

Have a good day everybody.

Doggone/GA

August 31st, 2010
8:15 am

“Many creeds”

Since when can you identify someone’s creed from the color of their skin?

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:15 am

Hi Bruno – nope, didn’t see the Benny Hinn video … isn’t he the one who does the faith healing?

““Glenn Beck crowd: Not so white as advertised
Many creeds, colors in attendance refute charges of racism against rally””

:lol: not according to the pics my friend George posted … pasty, pasty, PASTY … oh, and FAT.

Peadawg

August 31st, 2010
8:15 am

“He is also certain to note that the drawdown honors his 2008 campaign pledge.”

He can say it all he wants but it still doesn’t make it true. Not until ALL troops are gone from Iraq.

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:16 am

Doggone – “Since when can you identify someone’s creed from the color of their skin?”

they had BOTH kinds of music … country AND western …

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:18 am

November is right around the corner.

“In June 2010, 42 percent of respondents told Gallup that they were conservatives, while 20 percent claimed to be liberals, and 35 percent said they were moderates,” he said. “The nearly even division in partisanship and the conservative tilt in ideology suggest that the current equilibrium in the electorate is far more Republican than the status quo in the House.”

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:20 am

Doggone/GA

August 31st, 2010
8:15 am

They didn’t say it. Of course, that has never stopped a lib from stretching the truth in the past.

Doggone/GA

August 31st, 2010
8:21 am

“They didn’t say it. Of course, that has never stopped a lib from stretching the truth in the past”

If that was supposed to make sense…it missed it’s mark.

Mick

August 31st, 2010
8:21 am

USinUK

How are the brits with obama these days? Is some of the luster gone? They are starting to build a lot roundabouts here in miami, now that old yes song makes more sense.

Peadawg

August 31st, 2010
8:22 am

543 troops died in Iraq since Obama has taken office and counting. Time to fulfill your campaign promise and get them out.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fallen/dates/2009/

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:23 am

Doggone – 8:21 – glad I wasn’t the only one a bit confused with that response

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:25 am

g’morning Mick – as far as I can tell, they still like him here (he still has the benefit of 1) being a helluva lot more respected than his predecessor and 2) Sarah Palin being a laughingstock here, too)

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:26 am

Doggone/GA
August 31st, 2010
8:21 am

Considering who it was directed to, I’m not surprised you say it didn’t make sense.

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:27 am

“Time to fulfill your campaign promise and get them out.”

p-diddy – he’s doing just that.

Union

August 31st, 2010
8:28 am

usinuk.. so brits like it when someone is a failure? odd..

Normal

August 31st, 2010
8:28 am

Speaking of Brits and totally on topic…Princess Di dies 13 years ago today….and Elton John got to replay that sappy song again. As to “on topic”, I heard Dick Cheney accuse Di of smuggling yellow cake into Iraq as an effort to get the Queen on their side for the invasion… :)

Peadawg

August 31st, 2010
8:29 am

“p-diddy – he’s doing just that.”

50,000 troops still remain. He hasn’t fulfilled anything yet.

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:29 am

Leg: Many creeds, colors in attendance refute charges of racism against rally

Dogg: Since when can you identify someone’s creed from the color of their skin?

Leg: They didn’t say it. Of course, that has never stopped a lib from stretching the truth in the past.

… nope. still doesn’t make any sense.

Curious Observer

August 31st, 2010
8:29 am

They are starting to build a lot of roundabouts here in miami

Yes, and the two in the Hollywood area drive my navigation system crazy.

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:30 am

“He hasn’t fulfilled anything yet.”

he’s pulled out combat troops and is continuing to draw down the rest. I’d say he’s making excellent headway.

Doggone/GA

August 31st, 2010
8:30 am

“I’m not surprised you say it didn’t make sense.”

Just out of curiosity…I asked a question about a post of yours. so what, in that question, constitutes “stretching” the truth?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:31 am

USinUK
August 31st, 2010
8:29 am

Oh, you’re playing referee. Okay. Dogg said “Since when can you identify someone’s creed from the color of their skin?” The headline, nor the article, made such a claim. Again, it’s a common theme of the left to make an issue out of something that didn’t happen. Just sayin….

Granny Godzilla

August 31st, 2010
8:31 am

Jay

“While the drawdown schedule was largely set by Bush”….without Russ Fiengold, the late John Murtha, John Kerry, Barack Obama and the Iraqi
Parliament – Bush would never have moved forward with the withdrawal.

Peadawg

August 31st, 2010
8:32 am

“I’d say he’s making excellent headway.

Sure he’s making “headway.” But 50,000 still remain. “All or nothing, let’s go give it a try”

Mick

August 31st, 2010
8:32 am

UsinUk

Good afternoon to you, I was last over that way in 06 visiting a colleague in colchester. Very nice people those brits, truly our first cousins.

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:33 am

“The headline, nor the article, made such a claim.”

um. yeah. if the headline is saying “Many creeds, colors in attendance”, then they seem to be making exactly the claim that you can tell someone’s creed by what they look like …

Normal

August 31st, 2010
8:33 am

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:30 am

USinUK,
just give up…some people will never admit Obama can do anything the correct way. I think I’m this blog’s Number One Anti-War member and I’m OK with the way it’s being done…for now.

TaxPayer

August 31st, 2010
8:34 am

If only there were some cons that had their honor restored by Beck. Give us a sign. Wear your “Beck Restored my Honor” T-Shirt out today. Wear it with more than just honor. Wear it with pride.

King’s “I Have a Dream” vs. Beck’s “I Have a Scheme”

MLK : Age 15, enters Morehouse College after skipping 9th and 12th grades
Beck: Age 19, skips college to host radio show “Morning Zoo” as character Clydie Clyde

MLK : 25, becomes pastor of Baptist Church, Montgomery, Ala.
Beck: 23,Takes over Phoenix’s Morning Zoo show with Zippy the Chimp

MLK : 27, leads Read More… Montgomery Bus Boycott
Beck: 23 is arrested for stealing Christmas decorations in Scottsdale as radio prank

MLK : 28, helps found the Southern Christain Leadership Conference
Beck: 24, hires Jessica Hahn, former mistress of televangelist Jim Bakker, as his show’s “prize and weather bunny.”

MLK : 29, assaulted at a book signing
Beck: 26 terrifies a bank teller by putting a gerbil down deposit tube as an on-air prank

MLK : 34, writes “Letter From a Birmingham Jail” while incarcerated
Beck: 29, is arrested for speeding in his deLorean with one of the doors open

MLK: 34, “I Have a Dream” speech from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial
Beck: 30, cuts off his ponytail

MLK: 28-38, receives 20 honorary doctorates from universities around the world
Beck: 32, enrolls part-time at Yale, takes one class, drops out

MLK: 35, becomes youngest recipient of Nobel Peace prize
Beck: 34, first foray into talk radio; mispronounces “Osama bin Laden”

MLK: 39, assassinated April 4, 1968 in Memphis
Beck: 41, ponders personally killing Michael Moore on air

Scout

August 31st, 2010
8:35 am

Jay:

And don’t forget the Iraqi Constitution !

“Nothing in this Constitution shall violate the tenets of Islam”

Therefore, I’ll give it two years after our last soldier leaves and we’ll be right back where we started from. Why?

Islam.

Union

August 31st, 2010
8:35 am

obama did something the right way? it looks more like he sends biden out to do his lying for him.. least bush did his own.. lol

Jackie

August 31st, 2010
8:35 am

Does the death of more than 4,500 American troops, an estimated 1 Million Iraqis killed and a cost to the US Treasury of more than $1 Trillion dollars mean we are still waiting to find weapons of mass destruction?

Normal

August 31st, 2010
8:36 am

There’s another good Luckovich cartoon to check out and on topic too…

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:37 am

TaxPayer
August 31st, 2010
8:34 am

Did I miss where you mentioned MLK plagiarizing in college and having many extra marital affairs? And what did Beck to do in comparison?

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:37 am

Mick – yep. I kinda like the Brits – the only thing that drives me batty is that, if complaining was an Olympic sport, MAN would they get the gold. there’s nothing they like more than a good whine (trains, gummint, weather, you name it). that’s the biggest difference between Americans and Brits – we really are a lot more optimistic.

Road Scholar

August 31st, 2010
8:37 am

Jay: “…and the Iraqi people appear increasingly discouraged about the prospects of democracy actually functioning.”

Similar to our country? They’re not mad about the democracy, but the lack of competentcy of the government. Little or no electrical power for much of the day/night, no consistent sanitation, graft, etc. seemed to put a bitter taste in their mouths. This with all that oil revenue to fix the infrastructure.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:38 am

TaxPayer
August 31st, 2010
8:34 am

By the way, I wasn’t the one comparing MLK and Beck. You did. Two different men, two different generations, two different agendas.

Paul

August 31st, 2010
8:38 am

This was probably the only realistic course Pres Obama could have taken. An immediate and total withdrawal would have had difficult consequences. There was no reason for continuing with the status quo. So, the timetable was it.

Excuse my cynicism, but he’s pledged to withdraw all forces by the end of next year? He’s had more time to consider this, but if his Gitmo pledge is considered….

“I suspect that Obama will be more careful than Biden in expressing his expectations”

I like it when you do comedic understatement -

TaxPayer

August 31st, 2010
8:41 am

Leg Lamp Humper at 8:37,

Feel free to add on to that list if you wish. As for what Beck did in comparison, he probably just cried about it as he declared MLK to be a racist too.

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:41 am

Paul – “if his Gitmo pledge is considered….”

one of these things is not like the other … Gitmo is being held up by the NIMBY brigade

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:41 am

TaxPayer
August 31st, 2010
8:34 am

I have an idea. Why not replace beck in your comparison with, say, Barry Bonds. Or maybe O.J. Simpson. Or Kobe Bryant. Or Mr. Wrestling #2. Or Eminem. I’ll be eagerly waiting your post.

Paul

August 31st, 2010
8:42 am

USinUK

“he’s pulled out combat troops and is continuing to draw down the rest. I’d say he’s making excellent headway.”

Dear George,

Heckuva timetable.

Thanks,
Barak

Bruno

August 31st, 2010
8:42 am

Since Jay was either too busy or too lazy to write an original article this AM about the situation in Iraq, here’s a link to a Yahoo.com story entitled “Fearing the future, few Iraqis cheer US departure” :

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_iraq

From the article:

“Of course we were against the occupation, but in 2007 the Americans came up with a good plan for fighting al-Qaida, not Iraq,” said Col. Abdelsaad Abbas Mohammed, a Fallujah commander in the government-supported Sunni militia, known as the Awakening Councils. “Americans have committed many mistakes, but they did not go into houses and chop people’s heads off.”

In the three provinces that make up the autonomous Kurdish region in northern Iraq, the American military departure is also cause for concern. The Americans have often been perceived as the protectors of the minority Kurdish population, which was repressed under Saddam, but later carved out a relative oasis of stability in northern Iraq.

Othman Ahmed, 38, and a lawyer from the Kurdish city of Sulaimaniyah, said Iraqi politicians would like to return Iraq to the strong centralized government of the former regime — meaning the Kurds’ hard-won autonomy could be at jeopardy. The friction between the Kurds and the central government is considered a potential flashpoint. Both claim a wide swath of territory stretching from the Syrian to the Iranian border, which includes the oil-rich city of Kirkuk.”

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:42 am

TaxPayer
August 31st, 2010
8:41 am

Do you have a link where Beck called MLK a racist?

TaxPayer

August 31st, 2010
8:44 am

I have an idea. Why not replace beck in your comparison with, say, Barry Bonds. Or maybe O.J. Simpson. Or Kobe Bryant. Or Mr. Wrestling #2. Or Eminem. I’ll be eagerly waiting your post

I have an idea too. Do your own leg work. But I’m not eagerly awaiting to see the outcome.

Glenn Beck lectures on Iraq

August 31st, 2010
8:44 am

All Obama did was arm all four sides of a 10K year old civil war. I don’t see why it wasn’t worth the trill. ($) What could possibly go wrong?

Thanx to Obama…….

…..The Shia Superstate draws nearer. The end of times is in sight. The Pelosis and the Reids will burn in their own self-fulfilled Purgatories. The Paris Hiltons will soon take over our congress and our judiciary. Why doesn’t somebody stop her? The founding checks and balances will be usurped by the fondling chicks and dalliances!

And that’s something nobody voted 4. (camera to tears running down both Beck’s cheeks. Then camera to Beck’s face.)

I’m ready for my close up, Mr Demille

Doggone/GA

August 31st, 2010
8:46 am

“The headline, nor the article, made such a claim. ”

“Many creeds, colors in attendance refute charges of racism against rally”

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:46 am

Faux TaxPayer

August 31st, 2010
8:44 am

Or the best yet. Replace Beck with yourself as compared to MLK. Faux TaxPayer and MLK. muuwwaaaAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! That would be hilarious.

Mick

August 31st, 2010
8:47 am

USinUk

Best thing I ever did was take the QM2 across the pond. Most relaxing journey of all time.

When we finish out what’s left of our wars, I hope we retreat from the role of the world’s policeman. It’s probably not plausible in this day and age, but it would be sensible.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:48 am

Doggone/GA

August 31st, 2010
8:46 am

Basic English lesson. If the headline read “Many creeds and colors….”. But it didn’t. Nice try, though.

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:48 am

Mick – 8:47 – QM2??? oooooo … ENVY!!!

retreat from being the world’s policeman? and who will step in to fill the void? China?

Paul

August 31st, 2010
8:48 am

G’morning, TaxPayer

I realize you’re having fun asking people about restoring the country’s honor and all, but you just might want to watch Beck’s interview on the subject to make sure you’re accurately representing the situation:

http://reddogreport.com/2010/08/glenn-becks-interview-with-chris-wallace/

I’d post links about how Candidate Obama said we needed to do all this restoration stuff, but I’m limited to just a couple links per post. :-)

Leg Lamp

“Did I miss where you mentioned MLK plagiarizing in college and having many extra marital affairs? And what did Beck to do in comparison?”

I’m generally no fan of dredging thru politicians’ personal lives and making family values moral judgments and making some tenuous connection to their abilities in the public arena, but one thing I notice is that Beck freely brings up and admits to what he sees as mistakes or poor choices he’s made and relates it to how he used them as opportunities to improve. He hasn’t tried to hide or excuse shortcomings.

Dr. King and his supporters: not so much.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:49 am

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:48 am

Good point. And therein lies the problem.

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:49 am

“If the headline read “Many creeds and colors….”. ”

finish the sentence … if … then … what? because the headline still implies that you can tell a lot of creeds just by lookin’ at em …

Scout

August 31st, 2010
8:49 am

Seven Signs You Are Being Lied To:

http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/life/how-to-catch-a-liar-2300810/#poll-C926B9A6965B11DF88C4EE5DB10B4572

This will help you when El Jefe makes his speech tonight.

TaxPayer

August 31st, 2010
8:49 am

Is that the best you got, Leg Lamp Humper. Perhaps you can watch reruns of Beck’s “I Have a Scheme” dream until your honor is restored. Let me know how that works out for ya.

Doggone/GA

August 31st, 2010
8:50 am

“If the headline read “Many creeds and colors….”. But it didn’t.”

I quoted it EXACTLY from YOUR post. Since you didn’t bother to actually post a link to the article, I can’t attest to what the article actually said…but I have only to look up thread to see what YOU quoted from it.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:50 am

Paul

August 31st, 2010
8:48 am

Harumph, harumph. Post of the day so far.

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:51 am

leg – 8:49 – s’what I’m sayin.

right now, the entire world (with the exception of China and, to a lesser extent, India) are going through the same economic crisis the US is … if no us, then who?

TaxPayer

August 31st, 2010
8:51 am

If Boehner and Chambliss attended Beck’s services, then that’s at least two blacks that were in attendance. Well, maybe day-glo orange would be a better descriptor.

AmVet

August 31st, 2010
8:51 am

Just as the War First, War Last, War Always neo-cons learned zero about Viet Nam, (How the hell could they? Almost to a man, they “had priorities other than military service”.) so will they learn nothing at all from the deadly debacles that they speciously foisted and fear-mongered on the nation and world.

6,787 GIs KIA’d needlessly. And counting. Tens of thousands more maimed and ruined. Countless families broken just to satisfy the vicarious bloodlust of gutless little men in Washington and elsewhere. Ungodly amounts of Uncle Sam’s money spent, wasted, “lost” and given away to the corporate paymasters who now run the country.

And one has to wonder if it is not at all out of the realm of possibility that a bunch of thick headed, small-balled chickenhawks, with DickHead Cheney in the lead role, are trying to find some clandestine, back room, closed door gathering place to plan the next invasion. Welcome to Tehran!

And many of the rubes who voted for them believed the obvious nonsense about it being in the interests of national security…

Bruno

August 31st, 2010
8:53 am

“Therefore, I’ll give it two years after our last soldier leaves and we’ll be right back where we started from. Why? Islam.”

I think it goes a little deeper than that, Scout. When modern-day Iraq was created by the Brits following WWI, they disregarded long-standing hostilities between different religious and ethnic groups. It’s been a powder keg just waiting to blow ever since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iraq

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:53 am

Faux TaxPayer
August 31st, 2010
8:49 am

Nah, that’s not the best I got. But if the shoe fits….. Maybe you’re the one who should be watching something. Try watching replays of the speeches in DC at the Beck rally. Then watch the mindless drivel coming from your guy, Big Al, and let me know how it works out for ya.

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:55 am

Bruno – 8:53 – nailed it.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
8:56 am

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:51 am

If I had that answer then I might consider running for office. Since I don’t, I’ll just continue to posting to educate the blogosphere. :)

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:57 am

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
8:58 am

leg – 8:56 – I hear ya. and agree. :-)

TaxPayer

August 31st, 2010
9:03 am

Nah, that’s not the best I got.

It would appear so. Y’all have fun with the Leg of Lamp.

Bruno

August 31st, 2010
9:03 am

“retreat from being the world’s policeman? and who will step in to fill the void? China?”

You beat me to it, USinUK, but I’m glad you finally came to your senses. Anyone here who wants to pin their hopes on the UN might want to take a gander at this article entitled “The Corruption of the UN”:

http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=1853.782.0.0

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
9:04 am

Bruno – “I’m glad you finally came to your senses”

when have I ever said otherwise? :-P

Union

August 31st, 2010
9:04 am

the un.. what a waste of a perfectly good concept.. sigh

Normal

August 31st, 2010
9:05 am

USinUK and “The Leg”,

I wouldn’t mind being the World’s Police so much, if our soldiers were payed for it. I have mentioned other times that our Government should be saying..”So you want us to go over there and fix that? Fine. It will require 50,000 troops at 500.00 per day per man as compensation.
Plus expenses. Deal?”

All I’m saying is let the “World” pay for it, not us.

Doggone/GA

August 31st, 2010
9:07 am

“It will require 50,000 troops at 500.00 per day per man as compensation.”

Yeah we need a new business card: Have troops will travel

SOUTHERN ATL

August 31st, 2010
9:08 am

Normal @8:33….well said!
Vietnam will always be a thorn in the U.S. side…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1oTVeW90k4&feature=related

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
9:09 am

Normal

August 31st, 2010
9:05 am

Which is why we should have taken oil from Iraq. Pay for our expenses.

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
9:09 am

Normal – eeeewwww … a national band of mercenaries. I don’t think that’s much of an improvement.

Paul

August 31st, 2010
9:09 am

Does every instance of our interjecting ourselves as “World Policeman” deal with a situation vital no America’s national security?

If we assume the role of world policeman, what’s the best that could happen?

If we didn’t regularly assume the role of ‘orld policeman’what’s the worse that could happen?

Doggone/GA

August 31st, 2010
9:10 am

“Pay for our expenses”

That’s right. They didn’t ask us to invade them, so they SHOULD have to pay for it.

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
9:10 am

Union – 9:04 – agreed. I’d say they should just stick with humanitarian aid, but they seem to eff that one all to hell when they’re in charge of that, as well.

Bruno

August 31st, 2010
9:12 am

USinUK–I thought that you were a previous supporter of the UN, but your 9:10 post speaks otherwise.

Union

August 31st, 2010
9:13 am

if we could privatize what the un tried to do.. maybe we could do something with that?

Mick

August 31st, 2010
9:14 am

USinUK

The QM2 was very cost effective, not expensive compared to the value. You just need the time, a crossing takes six days. I’m looking forward to doing it again. Speaking of complaints, I picked up that a lot of brits were mad at thatcher because she altered their retirement system – for the worse.

@@

August 31st, 2010
9:15 am

Dire warnings of mushroom clouds rising over American cities and of Iraqi unmanned aerial vehicles launching WMD attacks against us may seem implausible in hindsight, but coming from top U.S. officials, they seemed all too real.

You know, jay, I don’t remember experiencing this fear of which you, so often, speak.

The little drone, Ahmadinejad has his own drone in the works.

Ahmadinejad said Sunday that if Israel ever attacked Iran, “the span of our reaction would be the entire planet Earth.”

The drone has been in the works for seven or eight years, Alizadeh said, and won’t “disturb the regional balance” until mass production is carried out successfully. At one point about three years ago, supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei visited the plant where it was being built, he said.

“I asked the leader to do a favor and pray for the drone,” Alizadeh said. “He stroked the head of the drone and said a prayer. Believe me, after that prayer, we all got a special energy.”–LATimes

We definitely missed the target. Two bullets…two crack shots. One for Karzai and one for Khameini. Warfare on the cheap.

Normal

August 31st, 2010
9:17 am

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
9:09 am

Not saying it’s an improvement, but I’m saying that since our Troops are being used as Merc’s anyway, let them get paid properly.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
9:17 am

72 HOURS: 19 American soldiers killed in Afghanistan…

Yeah, the Obama plan is really working.

Paul

August 31st, 2010
9:17 am

Doggone/GA

Kinda like the Saudis and others did with Desert Storm I. Over $50 billion, if I recall correctly.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
9:18 am

Kerry tops wealthiest lawmakers at $188.6 million…

So the dems have some of the “evil rich” in their midst?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
9:19 am

Petraeus: Taliban footprint ’spreading’…

More proof that the Obama plan isn’t working.

Gator Joe

August 31st, 2010
9:19 am

Jay,
The Bush/Cheney ill-conceived, unecessary fiasco that is the Iraq war, “is” because the nightmare continues. First, is was never worth the lives of our military or the lives of innocent civilians, especially children. If we haven’t learned anything else about this tragedy, and we probably haven’t, then it should be to think for ourselves and question the motives and the rhetoric of “leaders”, especially when that rhetoric is a call for the use of force. Second, when so-called leaders, especially those who have never served in the military or in combat, call those of us who question their call for the use of force “unpatriotic or “traitor”, we should be especially supicious.

Left wing management

August 31st, 2010
9:19 am

Senseless deaths caused by Al Qaeda terrorists on Sep 11, 2001: approx. 2900. Senseless deaths of those killed as a result of corrupt and reckless US administration foreign campaigns: approx. 4700.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel

August 31st, 2010
9:21 am

“A Military Times poll this year found that a majority disapproved of his leadership as their commander.”

You reckon these soldiers are racist?

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
9:21 am

Bruno – 9:12 – I support the idea of a central body where you have the leaders of countries from around the world discussing major issues / conflicts, etc. but, oyvey, when it comes to implementation … as they say here, they couldn’t organize a knees-up in a brewery

USinUK

August 31st, 2010
9:22 am

Mick – 9:14 – that’s only the tip of the iceburg why they (still) hate Thatcher.

AmVet

August 31st, 2010
9:24 am

It’s important that the American people remember that campaign, because it reminds us how easily fear can be used to manipulate public opinion.

No, it’s not! However, it IS important to play stupid now and pretend the worst administration ever, along with it’s lackeys, had no hand in selling mushroom clouds and smoking guns.

Selective memory loss, a form of amnesia, is a rare side effect of head injuries when the victim loses certain parts of his/her memory.

Rudy, in particular, really shines in this one…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlofjKEkSrA

Bruno

August 31st, 2010
9:25 am

Scout–If you poke your head in, I’m hoping you can clear up a point of confusion for me. In a few of your posts yesterday, you stated that only God/Jesus can decide who is “saved” and can therefore enter the Kingdom upon death. Then, in other posts, you express great certainty that your own place has already been reserved. Do you have a special line of communication with the Creator that none of the rest of us has??

Just curious.