Who’s the real Christian? Beck? Obama? You? Me?

Glenn Beck attacks Barack Obama’s religious beliefs, claiming “it’s a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ as most Christians know it.”

But in turn, at least some in the Christian evangelical community say similar things about Beck.

“Glenn Beck promotes a false gospel,” says Christianinvestigator.com. “However, many of his political ideas can help America. Our country was founded on Judeo-Christian values. Mormonism is not a Christian denomination but a cult of Christianity.”


Reports CNN:

Brannon Howse, a conservative writer and founder of Worldview Weekend, which organizes Christian conferences, criticized evangelical participation in that event in a column this week.

“The Apostle Paul warns Christians against uniting with unbelievers in spiritual endeavors,” Howse wrote. “While I applaud and agree with many of Glenn Beck’s conservative and constitutional views, that does not give me or any other Bible-believing Christian justification to compromise Biblical truth by spiritually joining Beck.”

Much of the criticism – along with confusion about the propriety of evangelicals politically linking arms with Mormons – is less formal and more rooted among in-the-pews churchgoers than evangelical elites.

“Jesus Christ’s Church has universally rejected Mormonism’s Anti-Trinitarian theology and its claim that mortals may become God,” David Shedlock, a contributor to the evangelical blog Caffeinated Thoughts, wrote in a post this month. “Beck asks Christian leaders to ‘put differences aside,’ but Beck himself daily peppers his broadcasts with Mormon distinctives because he cannot keep his beliefs to himself.”

Sad stuff, for politics, for religion, for Chrisitianity.

But that’s what happens once you inject religion into politics. Debates about the right government policy degrade into debates over who is more Christian than the other, or whether they’re Christian at all. It’s remarkable how many times we have to relearn that lesson.

474 comments Add your comment

Lil' Barry Bailout

August 30th, 2010
1:08 pm

The problems we have with government have zilch to do with religion or anyone’s religious beliefs or lack thereof. No, the problems we have are due to some folks who think they can spend $1.4 trillion more than they have every year while attacking business, private property, and individual rights.

jt

August 30th, 2010
1:11 pm

I don’t like starting rumours but………………….

I read somewhere that more and more people (last count 23) are coming forward from Obama’s past,

and they are swearing that Obama has always been RIGHT-handed. He only uses his LEFT hand when he signs American documents. Mooslims consider the left hand dirty.

What’s up with that?

I know that Obama is not Christian. No good christian would ever consider being a politician.
(except Sir Ronald Reagan).

Keep up the good fight!

August 30th, 2010
1:14 pm

There are a number of problems today that do have everything to do with religion….. The religious nuts who claim that only their interpretation is correct and that the government should impose their religion on others instead of relying on their own church or beliefs to win over converts. Government free of religion is better government.

And now, we return you to the religious zealot postings, Christian terrorism and wingnuttery normally in progress…

Mick

August 30th, 2010
1:18 pm

It is one of the main reasons that I have “retired” from religion. However, I’ll keep my spirituality thank you.

Keep up the good fight!

August 30th, 2010
1:18 pm

Oh yes…Obama has been practising that left-handed thing since the day after his birth when he sent out those newspaper announcements…… wait till Orly sees this!

Gale

August 30th, 2010
1:19 pm

The problem is that something that should be a very private matter for each person and his conscience, has become a means to rile up an emotion-driven electorate. We would be far better served if we insisted our politicians keep their religious beliefs to themselves.

Harry Callahan

August 30th, 2010
1:19 pm

The left consistently tells us that religion has no place in politcs anyway, so why do they care if people question Obama’s sincerity towards his supposed Christian faith? If I said I don’t believe Barack to be a Christian, I would expect those on the left to say “good!”

Granny Godzilla

August 30th, 2010
1:20 pm

Here’s a bang up idea.

Put six or seven big hungry lions in his brodcast booth, and if they don’t eat him up – he’s a Christian.

It’s been known to work before.

RJ

August 30th, 2010
1:20 pm

“Mormonism is not a Christian denomination but a cult of Christianity.”

That might be the greatest one-liner ever. Calling something a cult of another cult.

Bosch

August 30th, 2010
1:21 pm

“Jesus Christ’s Church has universally rejected Mormonism’s Anti-Trinitarian theology”

That’s kind of an odd thing to say considering that the whole “trinitarian theology” of the Christian church didn’t even come into being until about 300 years after Jesus Christ died.

F. Sinkwich

August 30th, 2010
1:23 pm

“Glenn Beck attacks Barack Obama’s religious beliefs, claiming “it’s a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ as most Christians know it.”

Beck was referring to Obama’s belief in “collective salvation” in particular and Liberation Theology in general.

So his statement is untrue how?

stands for decibels

August 30th, 2010
1:26 pm

the whole “trinitarian theology” of the Christian church didn’t even come into being until about 300 years after Jesus Christ died.

We have always been at war with EastAsia.

Jefferson

August 30th, 2010
1:27 pm

Beck is a cry baby. (and a nut job,btw)

Keep up the good fight!

August 30th, 2010
1:27 pm

Granny…. or if they don’t eat Beck, it could be proof that eating feces is something lions will not do.

Normal

August 30th, 2010
1:31 pm

I’m here to tell you I am no Christian, and gladly so. I don’t need the fear of damnation to be a good person.

As to Beck and Obama, neither are Christians in my book. If they were, they’d be Liberals. Jesus Christ is the poster child of a Liberal, period.
————————

Granny G.

Bet he’d change his name to Daniel if it did happen…

Animaphone

August 30th, 2010
1:33 pm

All I know is everyone but me is an idiot, everyone but me is a blasphemer, everyone but me is a traitor, everyone but me is destroying this country, everyone but me is weird. That’s all I know.

Harry Callahan

August 30th, 2010
1:38 pm

Normal…pretty clear from your 1:31 that you’ve never opened a Bible. And Obama is not a liberal? LOL…

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
1:45 pm

Glenn Beck has a large Christian fan base. He talks about God and said America is turning back to God. Which God is Beck talking about?? He is a confessed Mormon. Mormons do not believe in the same Jesus or God. You will never see a Cross over their Church or inside of it. Glenn Becks fan are outraged at Obama’s lack of faith and guru Oprah new age pagan vies but give the green light to Beck’s Mormonism. This qualifies as Christians who support Beck in saying he is a real Christian as being a bunch of hypocrites. You will find the Mormon Religion under the title cult or different Religions in any Christian bookstore. Mormonism was started by Founder Joseph Smith in the mid-1800. Smith claimed an Angel gave him a different Gospel and wrote the book of Mormon. You will never see a cross over their Church because they reject the Cross of Christ as the way to Salvation. It is sad that Christians who follow Beck do not understand this and applaud him saying he is a Christian when the Mormon doctrine teaches

God has a physical body and so does his wife.

2) No Trinity. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate gods. People can become gods.

3) Jesus was created by sexual union between God and Mary.

4) Jesus was married.

5) Jesus’ death does not atone for all sin.

6) Baptism for the dead.

7) Dark skinned people were not granted Mormon privileges until 1978.

8) Jesus and Satan were spirit brothers.

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light
.2nd Corinthian 11:13-14

Keep up the good fight!

August 30th, 2010
1:45 pm

Callahan…its pretty clear that any claims you make about someone having opened a bible is more worthless unproven unintelligible drivel….. But certainly, share with us the “test” to know whether someone opened a bible, or read it…

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
1:49 pm

Glenn Beck is more dangerous to the Christian faith because he is leading people straight to Hell claiming he is a Christian when infact Mormons have a different Gospel and a different Jesus.
Therefore, he qualifies at what Christians call a false prophet!

Palin fan

August 30th, 2010
1:54 pm

Mormons aren’t real Christians.

But they are more Christainy than Obama and all of his other filthy Muslin type.

SJM

August 30th, 2010
1:55 pm

It was wrong for Jeremiah Wright to preach a racist sermon but was it equally wrong for Glenn Beck’s Mormon Founder so-called Prophet Joseph to start an entire religion off the premise that dark-skin people could not enter into Heaven? Civil Rights laws have open the door of the Mormon Church to people of color but you people have no right to bash Obama and while giving Beck’s false prophet the green light!

Hootinanny Yum Yum

August 30th, 2010
1:56 pm

I say implement Sharia law.

jt

August 30th, 2010
1:57 pm

Thank you Blog-God,

for taking away that insensitive post by Steph.

It offended me. Cut me to the bone.

And to be completely fair, I believe that Jimmy Carter was a good christian.
Lousy president, good christian.

Keep up the good fight!

August 30th, 2010
1:58 pm

Oh no Palin….the Paisleys are much filthier… I have also heard that Levi’s are much nastier than muslin.

SJM

August 30th, 2010
1:58 pm

Excuse me but you cannot say Glenn Beck is more of a Christian this is like saying a woman can be half pregnant. You either or are you are not! Do not try to rationale something that cannot be rationalized. If you have not made (the real) Jesus your Lord and Savior you are not Saved or a Christian!

electrician

August 30th, 2010
1:58 pm

I dont think discussing religion and its effects on politics on a blog which is essentialy just a political chat room ever comes out well,my point will be proven many times before this thread is done.

stands for decibels

August 30th, 2010
2:00 pm

Couple of on-topic entries from http://www.haikuglennbeck.com/

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Glenn Beck, you’re hard to
love. But I’ll try anyway since
that’s what Jesus taught.

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Jesus: man of peace
Glenn Beck: giant bag of douche.
Some believe in both?

Harry Callahan

August 30th, 2010
2:00 pm

Keep up the good fight!

August 30th, 2010
1:45 pm

When I read The Bible, my interpretation is that I have a personal responsibility to help others. I have not yet encountered a bible verse that endorses confiscating OTHER people’s money in order to do good.

Your comparison of Glen Beck to feces, however, I think does qualify as the unintelligible drivel that you speak of. Or is it your contention that it’s Christian to compare a person to feces, for no good reason other than he had the audacity to publicize political opinions contrary to your own?

SJM

August 30th, 2010
2:01 pm

To Palin fan
Go into a Christian bookstore and learn the tenets of the real Christian doctrine. Do you know why Bank Tellers are trained to study authentic money so they can know the difference when a counterfeits comes along. A covert (undercover) fake is still a fake!

Peadawg

August 30th, 2010
2:01 pm

Why is Glenn Beck preaching about Christianity anyways? Isn’t he Mormon?

Halftrack

August 30th, 2010
2:01 pm

Basic 101 Christianity is the Trinity and the life, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Other beliefs are outside this mainstream of Christianity. Policies of the Obummer administration do not have much rational or principles that they follow, except sometimes they are transparent to be outside the normal parameter principles of Christianity. It is a fact that most liberals and news journalist are out of the mainstream of Christianity and are hard pressed to explain themselves or to defend their points of view without name calling.

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:03 pm

Don’t care who says differently Mormons have a different Jesus and a different Bible.
Study and learn something people! Christianity rejects Mormonism out right and shame on the Christian Pastors for not explaining this!

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:04 pm

What part of do you people not get. Pres. Obama was not voted into office to be your Pastor.
He is the President of all American People of all faiths and even no faith. This is a fact whether you like it or not.

Harry Callahan

August 30th, 2010
2:05 pm

Giving to those with less…just another thing to add to the list of things that liberals cannot do for themselves, and therefore depend on government to do (with other people’s money, of course), just like;

1) Providing their own retirement income
2) Providing their own health care
3) Paying theor oown mortgage

etc, etc, etc…

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:07 pm

Christians will have to answer to the real Jesus for their Judas like behavior in applauding that Evangelist Mormon Glenn Beck.

However the same crowd sure spoke out against Guru Oprah’s New Age laws of attraction promotion.

getalife

August 30th, 2010
2:07 pm

The gop candidate will probably be a Mormon so lets talk about the prophet joe smith.

Keep up the good fight!

August 30th, 2010
2:11 pm

Callahan…first you presume I am Christian or that if I am Christian I share your particular interpretation of the Bible. Now if you are going to read the bible, you may want to try to review those sections on the money-changers and the parts that says pay to the Romans what is the Romans. But I am glad that we agree that confisicating the money of the poor and middle class to benefit the rich is definitely not the role of government….although it seems to do very well for the Church.

As for comparing Beck to feces, it has nothing to do with his faith. I dont care about his faith. After all he is a self-proclaimed clown. The simple fact is he uses fear to sell gold coins that is being investigated and his “opinions” are only for his own self-grandiose…

Bosch

August 30th, 2010
2:12 pm

“you are not Saved or a Christian!”

I’ve never understood what the hell it means to be “saved” – saved from what?

Episcopalians and Catholics (don’t know about the others) don’t do the whole “saved” thing, so the very people who invented Christianity aren’t Christian, then what’s up?

Fly-on-the-wall

August 30th, 2010
2:13 pm

What I see happening is that Beck can say things that people want to hear. It makes them feel safe/comfortable/secure. My major concern is when someone tries to mix politics and religion. It never works and our founding fathers knew this all too well. But still Beck makes people feel good about themselves, he reenforces their own belief system or maybe inserts his into theirs because they are uncertain about events and they allow that to happen. He has tapped into something and he is riding that wave. Whether he is doing this for the money or something else remains to be seen. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he’s in this to better the country. I’ll disagree with him but at least I can understand where he is coming from. If he’s doing this for the money then he needs to be exposed as soon as possible because some of what he is doing is destablizing to our country. Now he is trying to interject religion and politics together. This usually causes me to run the other way but I think we need to keep a spotlight on what he says so it can be debunked as soon as possible.

One BIG concern I’ve always had is when someone wants to run a country based on whatever ‘good book’ they believe in. Trust me, you can’t. History will show you that. Time and time again when someone has tried to run a country solely from their ‘good book’ they end up destroying what they hoped to build up. The reason is that you get zealots and zealots are never happy unless you do everything by how the ‘good book’ says it should be done. It always leads down the path destruction because no one and I mean NO ONE can live that way. It is impossible so you end up with groups fighting each other over who is more ‘pure’ and they should run the country because of that. Purges happen, lots of innocent people get hurt or killed along way and all for nothing as the whole things falls apart. Now that doesn’t mean that you can’t aspire to live those values of your ‘good book’ but to try and institutionalize them in government will only lead to failure.

Normal

August 30th, 2010
2:14 pm

Harry Callahan

August 30th, 2010
1:38 pm

My Bible said, give to Caesar, that which is Caesars, and give that which is Gods to God. Taxes and tithes…doesn’t say anything about you getting to keep any…

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:14 pm

Isn’t it obvious that Christians (in name only) have replaced the Cross of Cross and Salvation because of the Blood atonement of Jesus with their Political party and politics. Could this be why Glenn Beck’s Mormonism is getting a thumbs up? If so they have broken two of the Ten Commandments
1). Have no other gods (before the real one)
2). Do not bare false witness

Bosch

August 30th, 2010
2:14 pm

And the whole “born again” thing – I liked what Mrs. G. wrote the other day –

something along the lines of:

“My parents did it right the first time!”

How true, how true.

Mick

August 30th, 2010
2:15 pm

**When I read The Bible, my interpretation is that I have a personal responsibility to help others. I have not yet encountered a bible verse that endorses confiscating OTHER people’s money in order to do good.**

I do believe its in our constitution that congress can levy taxes, isn’t it? I’m a taxpayer also, and so is everybody else on this blog. The difference is we don’t moan and groan day in and day out about it. Quit crying about taxes and pay em or leave and find a place where there are no taxes – good luck.

Bosch

August 30th, 2010
2:16 pm

I always thought the whole “baring false witness” thing was about don’t lie about what other people said.

As the whole “taking the name of the Lord in vain” is don’t do things in the name of the God, that aren’t. Like religious wars, etc.

SJM

August 30th, 2010
2:17 pm

Anyone claiming to be a real Christian while applauding Glenn Beck and allowing him to call himself a Christian owes the real Jesus an apology for baring false witness and leading his sheep away into possibly accepting a counterfeit Jesus & god!

Harry Callahan

August 30th, 2010
2:17 pm

Keep up the good fight!

August 30th, 2010
2:11 pm

I have only one word for your 2:11…WEAK.

I do have a couple of questions for your though;

1) If Beck uses fear to sell gold coins (whatever that means) is it fair to say that Obama uses fear to sell socialized health care, government takeover of industry, etc???

2) If Beck us “self grandiose” what is Barack?

Bosch

August 30th, 2010
2:17 pm

OK AJC, enough with the suspense…..

Just how DID Lynn Turner die in prison? Was she fed anti-freeze?

Bosch

August 30th, 2010
2:19 pm

When did our health care get socialized and our government take over industry? Did I miss the news one day?

Harry Callahan

August 30th, 2010
2:20 pm

Normal…nice try, but no dice. I still haven’t found a verse where Jesus says we’ll make the top 10% pay for everything, and the bottom 50% pay nothing. Maybe you can assist.

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:29 pm

Every genuine Christian has been called to live as a witness to the truth of spreading the true Gospel and way to Salvation by faith in Jesus Christ. This should be placed as first priority!

Accepting a different Gospel is baring false witness. Also lying period is baring false witness.
Accepting someone who has a Mormon Gospel qualifies as being a false witness.

Keep up the good fight!

August 30th, 2010
2:29 pm

Callahan…. Ahh the questions that are not real questions….just more misleading distortions…. “socialized heath care”? Now I realize that your namesake was an idiot to shoot first rather than think and that its all so very simple when you think you have the biggest gun…but really it was heath insurance reform.

As for President Obama…he is that….President. Not some huckster for gold shills to the weak minded on Fake News

NowReally

August 30th, 2010
2:30 pm

Who’s the real Christian? I have met very few true Christians. However, I have met many who claim they know God and follow Christ.

Those who follow Glenn Beck should wonder what Jesus would do.

Normal

August 30th, 2010
2:31 pm

Harry Callahan

August 30th, 2010
2:20 pm

I think you just want to fight and aren’t interested in debate, but maybe you can tell me where you get the “bottom 50% pay nothing” thingie. I think you may be exaggerating…

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:35 pm

To Bosch
There are plenty of dual meanings in some Christian genuine Scriptures but all point to Jesus as Lord and Savior. Baring false witness can also be lying.The tenets of the Christian faith is not the same as the one in The Book of Mormon. Since Glenn Beck and his fan base is questioning Pres. Obama’s religion then it is fair game to question Glenn Becks Mormon religion which is not the same as true basic Christianity.
Funny how you all are ignoring the point on this site.

Palin fan

August 30th, 2010
2:37 pm

SMJ,
You learn more about Christian tenants at church than you do at a Christian bookstore. You should try a little more church yourself.

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:38 pm

There is no way around it. It does not matter how good of a person you are or even if you model being Christ-like, all have sinned and fall short of perfection. This is why the Christian bible teaches we needed a Savior. This is Christianity 101! It does not matter how good you try God’s standards is Jesus! Not the Mormon married Jesus but the real one.

Doggone/GA

August 30th, 2010
2:39 pm

Folks, it’s you should be BEARING false witness. BARING means to uncover. I would think, on the whole, we should be in FAVOR OF “baring” a false witness, wouldn’t you agree?

Keep up the good fight!

August 30th, 2010
2:40 pm

Sales tax, gas tax, FICA, property taxes, personal property taxes….and the list goes on and on for the non-progressive taxes. But wasn’t it in one of those letters to Corinthians or maybe another of the revisions that says the rich need only pay taxes if the poor pay more as a percentage of their income.

And of course, tithing is the church based tax that says the rich should pay so the church can take care of the poor….what socialism! Oh wait, first the church uses it for some gold crosses and then distributes some of the left overs…ah yes, now that is much better capitalism.

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:40 pm

Palin fan
I gave the Christian bookstore because Christian Theology and Doctrine can be found there.
We all know that there are a few Churches are only social clubs and not teaching a hill of beans.
By the way I have read my bible from cover to cover. I suggest you do the same!

Doggone/GA

August 30th, 2010
2:41 pm

“I still haven’t found a verse where Jesus says we’ll make the top 10% pay for everything, and the bottom 50% pay nothing. Maybe you can assist.”

“From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.”
Luke 12:48

jt

August 30th, 2010
2:43 pm

Iraq once had some problems. Shiite vs Sunni vs Christians.

They woke up one day ………….conquered. Machine guns pointed at their heads being ordered to buckle their seat-belts, their trans-fat, weeds, and salt seized, and flooded with Harvard lawyers.

If WE don’t wake up, it could happen to us.

No..wait………………………….

Anyhow, from Mises———–Utopia or Hell———————–

“The government thrives on creating these false dichotomies: Islam or Christianity, conservative or progressive, war or invasion, militant anticommunism or a global communist revolution, war or terrorism, economic interventionism or economic misery. It offers the masses two choices, utopia or hell. The one, it claims, can only be provided by the state, while the other is the product of an unprotected and anarchic society. These illogical fears have tended to win over reason, and the government continues to grow unchecked.”

SJM

August 30th, 2010
2:43 pm

Some of the greatest Christian Theologians and Christian minds are in the Christian bookstores!
Great source of information

Scout

August 30th, 2010
2:44 pm

Jay:

“Who’s the real Christian? Beck? Obama? You? Me?”

We don’t know …………. only God does for sure because only He sees the heart.

“Not everyone who calls Me Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven”

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 30th, 2010
2:45 pm

Well, I don’t like to brag or nothing, but I’m the real Christian. I’m trying not to blush here.

See, I’m a Compassionate Conservative. If I’m at the end of a exit ramp and some bum is holding up a sign that says something like Need Money for Food, I’ll throw him a nickel and give him some advise to stop being such a bum and go out and find a job and how I ain’t his Daddy and Mommy.

If somebody’s whining about being sick and not being able to afford to go to a Dr., I’ll tell him to go out and get a job that offers health insurance.

And if somebody’s talking about not having work for years, I’ll remind him he ain’t going to find a job by whining to me about how jobless and broke he is.

Anyhow, most of these people just need a little push. And it’s my Christian Duty to give it to them.

I hope I answered Bookman’s question. And now I got to get back to my Christian Duty of hauling beer for the people that are willing to work to be able to buy it.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

@@

August 30th, 2010
2:46 pm

Funny you should bring this up, jay.

Just yesterday I was in the church office area following services. Our minister, his wife (both very liberal) and a parishioner were engaged in a conversation regarding the Beck rally. The minister and his wife have no use for Beck because he’s not Christian. Keep in mind…they ARE LIBERALS both having voted for Obama.

Alls I know is that God will judge me on my faith. I did oppose the zoning of a Church of Latter Day Saints in my neighborhood. I guess that makes me a homosexual bigot????

Twitter will have to judge Obama.

schnirt.

It do get cornfusing.

Abrazos

August 30th, 2010
2:46 pm

Hey, I was making a grilled cheese sandwich this weekend and when I was flipping it over, Glenn Beck’s face appeared! I was so spiritually moved that I checked to make sure my E-Bay account is still active. If the Virgin Mary on grilled cheese sold for $28K, just think how much I can get TODAY for Glenn Beck.

Paul

August 30th, 2010
2:47 pm

Jay

Interesting. I didn’t watch coverage of Beck’s rally, but I did record (2am) a broadcast of Wallace’s interview with him. Watched it at lunch, worthwhile. He addressed that. (For anyone who thinks all Fox News is puffball, they’ve never watched a Wallace interview).

Interview’s here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xStUtwM6AWg

If you watch the entire interview, you will see he bases his assessment on what he sees is Pres Obama’s seeming adherence to liberation theology. He accurately relates how the Catholic Church had difficulty with this and condemns it.He then freely acknowledges many majority Christians don’t consider him a “Christian.”

“But that’s what happens once you inject religion into politics”

True, and possibly why, in his interview, he gave example after example to reiterate that point.

md

August 30th, 2010
2:47 pm

“From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.”

No mention of monetary value. “Been given much”, could very well refer to the gift of smarts, which is wasted by many that refuse to use it or better themselves, and therefore are selfish by requiring others to provide for them.

jmf

August 30th, 2010
2:47 pm

I’m a Mormon and I have been my whole life. I am constantly reading the Bible and invoking Jesus Christ as my Savior and Redeemer.

If you think members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) are not Bible-reading, Christ-fearing individuals, then you need to have your head checked.

Often, I tell my sons bedtime stories involving Jesus Christ’s ministry as set forth in the gospels. We then offer a prayer thanking God for the salvation made possible by Christ’s sacrifice, and close the prayer, “in the name of Jesus Christ amen.”

If you insist that I am a big liar and a fake – please don’t tell my kids. They seem to take such great strength from our prayers and from our conversations about Jesus.

Deep throat

August 30th, 2010
2:48 pm

To answer Jay’s question, who is more christian, its easy to disqualify Jay, for in the Bible it is said do not judge. Jay is quick to judge anyone whose belief differs from his, as for myself, I know I am without no sin.

Palin fan

August 30th, 2010
2:48 pm

I have read the bible multiple times. My well-worn family bible is my favorite – especially the chapters I have memorized and notes. I’ll probably read it again tonight. I’ll look for the mention of the Mormons and Christian book stores.

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:48 pm

For people who want to know the difference in Religions.
A great place to start is go to your local Christian bookstore and research Basic Christian Theology, and a get a genuine Christian Bible not the Book of Mormon. You will find other different religions under the label Cults or other Religions and investigate the differences. Send one to Sara Palin while you are at it. She may learn what the bible says about being unequally yoked with unbeliever Glenn Beck!

Doggone/GA

August 30th, 2010
2:48 pm

“No mention of monetary value.”

and no exclusion of it either

Scout

August 30th, 2010
2:49 pm

Doggone/GA:

Sorry, but the context of Luke 12:48 is talking about spirtiual matters not money. You didn’t quote the whole passage.

47″That servant who knows his master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

Remember, a text taken out of context is no text.

P.S.

I find it interesting that when God set up the tithe, He required 10% from everyone ……… rich or poor. He didn’t have a higher “tithe rate” for the rich.

stands for decibels

August 30th, 2010
2:50 pm

I think you just want to fight and aren’t interested in debate, but maybe you can tell me where you get the “bottom 50% pay nothing” thingie.

Well, key word here is “bottom.”

As for whether you should pay your taxes even if you think that public officials might be poopie-heads, I think Romans 13:1-7 is pretty clear on that.

Doggone/GA

August 30th, 2010
2:51 pm

“Remember, a text taken out of context is no text.”

I don’t see that the context you quoted changes anything.

md

August 30th, 2010
2:52 pm

Paying taxes isn’t the debate – it is where those taxes go…………..

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:52 pm

Christians may not judge if they are practicing the same thing the they are condemning. Read the bible with understanding. Christians are called to be light and to inspect the Fruit of other Christians in order to discern the real from the fake. The fruit of Glenn Beck is that he is a false prophet and counterfeit Christian as long as he believes in a different gospel (book of Mormon)!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 30th, 2010
2:52 pm

I find it interesting that when God set up the tithe, He required 10% from everyone ……… rich or poor. He didn’t have a higher “tithe rate” for the rich.

Well, Scout just proved it. Jesus was for the Flat Tax. This will be a real clincher next time we all get into it over taxes at Billy Bob’s.

nelson

August 30th, 2010
2:53 pm

In 2001 there were 2.8 million muslims in the U.S.
In 2009 President Obama claimed there were 5 million muslims in the U.S.
In September 2009 Hillary Clinton claimed there were 7 million Muslims in the U.S.
That is a lot of Muslims. There are a lot of Mosques and more on the way.
In my humble opinion, the sooner they are assimalated in society the better. After all, it is in the Constitution, “Freedom of Religion.” We should not be bigoted and short sighted.
I just read the lunch counter in Woolworths that was the first sitin by blacks at Woolworths in Greensboro N.C. is going to be in the Smithsonian. Now, there is no Woolworths, just the lunch counter.

Scout

August 30th, 2010
2:54 pm

Doggone/GA:

And I didn’t think you would:

1 Corinthians 2:14
“The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:55 pm

He is baring false witness because he is not a Christian according to the tenets of the Christian faith!
Next time you pass a Mormon Church take note of the fact that there are no crosses over their Churches and if you go inside you will hear a different Gospel. Ex-Mormons who converted to the real Jesus will bare witness to this.

Scout

August 30th, 2010
2:56 pm

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it) :

You’ll have to take that up with “Him”.

Keep up the good fight!

August 30th, 2010
2:57 pm

So when does Exxon pay their 10% because I have not seen a bible quote about “bible credits” or that those who create “jobs” should get tithing credits? I don’t think the bible talked anyting about the rich should not tithe because the money will trickle down and then the poor will be able to tithe more.

Paul

August 30th, 2010
2:57 pm

“YAY BOSCH!!!”

““Jesus Christ’s Church has universally rejected Mormonism’s Anti-Trinitarian theology”

That’s kind of an odd thing to say considering that the whole “trinitarian theology” of the Christian church didn’t even come into being until about 300 years after Jesus Christ die.”

Mainstream Christian doctrine: decided by popular vote of centuries after the fact! ZING!

Doggone/GA

August 30th, 2010
2:57 pm

“And I didn’t think you would:”

What does the Spirit have to do with what is asked of those with much? I read the section I quoted the same way everytime…those to whom much is given have an obligation from God to give more, because their good fortune is not their own…it is a gift from God.

“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” John Kenneth Galbraith

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:57 pm

Christians beware:
Glenn Beck is not a authentic genuine real Christian. This makes him a dangerous lying false prophet!

stands for decibels

August 30th, 2010
2:58 pm

Next time you pass a Mormon Church take note of the fact that there are no crosses over their Churches

“A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. Do you think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a [bleep]in’ cross? It’s kind of like going up to Jackie Onassis with a rifle pendant on.”

–Bill Hicks

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:59 pm

The basic message of the Gospel is that the blood of Jesus shed on the Cross paid for the sins of who-so-ever calls upon him and makes him their Lord and Savior. Leaving this major fact out is heresy!

Doggone/GA

August 30th, 2010
3:00 pm

“Glenn Beck is not a authentic genuine real Christian. This makes him a dangerous lying false prophet!”

“Judge not, lest ye be judged”

jt

August 30th, 2010
3:01 pm

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:57 pm

Christians beware:
Glenn Beck is not a authentic genuine real Christian. This makes him a dangerous lying false prophet!

He also praises Lincoln. This makes him a dangerous lying false YANKEE STATIST prophet,

imho.

Deep throat

August 30th, 2010
3:01 pm

anonymous are you casting stones.

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
3:01 pm

Stands for decibels
You have a valid point but I was trying to make a point on the fact that Mormon doctrine does not believe in the Cross of Christ as payment for their Salvation.

Jesus Blogger

August 30th, 2010
3:02 pm

I’m a Christian, but I don’t agree with publicly accusing people of not being Christians. Sure, I have my own opinions about Obama’s true religion, but I don’t think it’s an important topic as many have made it be. Who cares if Obama is lying, he’s going to have to take that up with the Almighty God, not us!
http://www.JesusBlogspot.com

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
3:02 pm

Deep throat
Not just stating the facts of the differences in Mormons and Christianity and it is not the same Religion.
If that is what you call throwing stones oh well!

Doggone/GA

August 30th, 2010
3:03 pm

“You have a valid point but I was trying to make a point on the fact that Mormon doctrine does not believe in the Cross of Christ as payment for their Salvation”

Neither did all early Christians. Not all believers branded as heretics by the powerful in the Catholic sect actually WERE heretics. There are early documents that show believers who evidently did not know about the death of Jesus on the cross, which was a foundation tenet of the Jerusalem church, but not of ALL churches of the time.

Jackie

August 30th, 2010
3:04 pm

How can anyone of good conscious pay attention to the diversionary tactics of Glen Beck and other so-called conservatives when our economic well-being is threatened by the mismanagement of the economy by the previous administration and the corporate greed exhibited currently.

Pay attention to what the Repubs will do to remove the block from the Small Business bill in the Senate.

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
3:04 pm

Dear Deep Throat,
If I tell you the sun is shining when it really is but you want it to rain, this does not mean I am throwing stones if I am just stating the hardcore facts. Mormons have a different Gospel Sorry if that offends you!

Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
3:06 pm

Deep Throat you are trying to compare apples and oranges here. Stick to the subject.’
Glenn Beck is a Mormon they have do not accept the message of the Gospel but have added another one.