Who’s the real Christian? Beck? Obama? You? Me?

I don’t like starting rumours but………………….

I read somewhere that more and more people (last count 23) are coming forward from Obama’s past,

and they are swearing that Obama has always been RIGHT-handed. He only uses his LEFT hand when he signs American documents. Mooslims consider the left hand dirty.

What’s up with that?

I know that Obama is not Christian. No good christian would ever consider being a politician.
(except Sir Ronald Reagan).

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It is one of the main reasons that I have “retired” from religion. However, I’ll keep my spirituality thank you.

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The problem is that something that should be a very private matter for each person and his conscience, has become a means to rile up an emotion-driven electorate. We would be far better served if we insisted our politicians keep their religious beliefs to themselves.

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Here’s a bang up idea.

Put six or seven big hungry lions in his brodcast booth, and if they don’t eat him up – he’s a Christian.

It’s been known to work before.

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“Jesus Christ’s Church has universally rejected Mormonism’s Anti-Trinitarian theology”

That’s kind of an odd thing to say considering that the whole “trinitarian theology” of the Christian church didn’t even come into being until about 300 years after Jesus Christ died.

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the whole “trinitarian theology” of the Christian church didn’t even come into being until about 300 years after Jesus Christ died.

We have always been at war with EastAsia.

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Granny…. or if they don’t eat Beck, it could be proof that eating feces is something lions will not do.

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All I know is everyone but me is an idiot, everyone but me is a blasphemer, everyone but me is a traitor, everyone but me is destroying this country, everyone but me is weird. That’s all I know.

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Glenn Beck has a large Christian fan base. He talks about God and said America is turning back to God. Which God is Beck talking about?? He is a confessed Mormon. Mormons do not believe in the same Jesus or God. You will never see a Cross over their Church or inside of it. Glenn Becks fan are outraged at Obama’s lack of faith and guru Oprah new age pagan vies but give the green light to Beck’s Mormonism. This qualifies as Christians who support Beck in saying he is a real Christian as being a bunch of hypocrites. You will find the Mormon Religion under the title cult or different Religions in any Christian bookstore. Mormonism was started by Founder Joseph Smith in the mid-1800. Smith claimed an Angel gave him a different Gospel and wrote the book of Mormon. You will never see a cross over their Church because they reject the Cross of Christ as the way to Salvation. It is sad that Christians who follow Beck do not understand this and applaud him saying he is a Christian when the Mormon doctrine teaches

God has a physical body and so does his wife.

2) No Trinity. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate gods. People can become gods.

3) Jesus was created by sexual union between God and Mary.

4) Jesus was married.

5) Jesus’ death does not atone for all sin.

6) Baptism for the dead.

7) Dark skinned people were not granted Mormon privileges until 1978.

Jesus and Satan were spirit brothers.

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.
No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light
.2nd Corinthian 11:13-14

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Glenn Beck is more dangerous to the Christian faith because he is leading people straight to Hell claiming he is a Christian when infact Mormons have a different Gospel and a different Jesus.
Therefore, he qualifies at what Christians call a false prophet!

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It was wrong for Jeremiah Wright to preach a racist sermon but was it equally wrong for Glenn Beck’s Mormon Founder so-called Prophet Joseph to start an entire religion off the premise that dark-skin people could not enter into Heaven? Civil Rights laws have open the door of the Mormon Church to people of color but you people have no right to bash Obama and while giving Beck’s false prophet the green light!

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Thank you Blog-God,

for taking away that insensitive post by Steph.

It offended me. Cut me to the bone.

And to be completely fair, I believe that Jimmy Carter was a good christian.
Lousy president, good christian.

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Excuse me but you cannot say Glenn Beck is more of a Christian this is like saying a woman can be half pregnant. You either or are you are not! Do not try to rationale something that cannot be rationalized. If you have not made (the real) Jesus your Lord and Savior you are not Saved or a Christian!

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Couple of on-topic entries from http://www.haikuglennbeck.com/

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Glenn Beck, you’re hard to
love. But I’ll try anyway since
that’s what Jesus taught.

Jesus: man of peace
Glenn Beck: giant bag of douche.
Some believe in both?

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To Palin fan
Go into a Christian bookstore and learn the tenets of the real Christian doctrine. Do you know why Bank Tellers are trained to study authentic money so they can know the difference when a counterfeits comes along. A covert (undercover) fake is still a fake!

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Basic 101 Christianity is the Trinity and the life, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Other beliefs are outside this mainstream of Christianity. Policies of the Obummer administration do not have much rational or principles that they follow, except sometimes they are transparent to be outside the normal parameter principles of Christianity. It is a fact that most liberals and news journalist are out of the mainstream of Christianity and are hard pressed to explain themselves or to defend their points of view without name calling.

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What part of do you people not get. Pres. Obama was not voted into office to be your Pastor.
He is the President of all American People of all faiths and even no faith. This is a fact whether you like it or not.

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Christians will have to answer to the real Jesus for their Judas like behavior in applauding that Evangelist Mormon Glenn Beck.

However the same crowd sure spoke out against Guru Oprah’s New Age laws of attraction promotion.

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Callahan…first you presume I am Christian or that if I am Christian I share your particular interpretation of the Bible. Now if you are going to read the bible, you may want to try to review those sections on the money-changers and the parts that says pay to the Romans what is the Romans. But I am glad that we agree that confisicating the money of the poor and middle class to benefit the rich is definitely not the role of government….although it seems to do very well for the Church.

As for comparing Beck to feces, it has nothing to do with his faith. I dont care about his faith. After all he is a self-proclaimed clown. The simple fact is he uses fear to sell gold coins that is being investigated and his “opinions” are only for his own self-grandiose…

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What I see happening is that Beck can say things that people want to hear. It makes them feel safe/comfortable/secure. My major concern is when someone tries to mix politics and religion. It never works and our founding fathers knew this all too well. But still Beck makes people feel good about themselves, he reenforces their own belief system or maybe inserts his into theirs because they are uncertain about events and they allow that to happen. He has tapped into something and he is riding that wave. Whether he is doing this for the money or something else remains to be seen. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he’s in this to better the country. I’ll disagree with him but at least I can understand where he is coming from. If he’s doing this for the money then he needs to be exposed as soon as possible because some of what he is doing is destablizing to our country. Now he is trying to interject religion and politics together. This usually causes me to run the other way but I think we need to keep a spotlight on what he says so it can be debunked as soon as possible.

One BIG concern I’ve always had is when someone wants to run a country based on whatever ‘good book’ they believe in. Trust me, you can’t. History will show you that. Time and time again when someone has tried to run a country solely from their ‘good book’ they end up destroying what they hoped to build up. The reason is that you get zealots and zealots are never happy unless you do everything by how the ‘good book’ says it should be done. It always leads down the path destruction because no one and I mean NO ONE can live that way. It is impossible so you end up with groups fighting each other over who is more ‘pure’ and they should run the country because of that. Purges happen, lots of innocent people get hurt or killed along way and all for nothing as the whole things falls apart. Now that doesn’t mean that you can’t aspire to live those values of your ‘good book’ but to try and institutionalize them in government will only lead to failure.

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Isn’t it obvious that Christians (in name only) have replaced the Cross of Cross and Salvation because of the Blood atonement of Jesus with their Political party and politics. Could this be why Glenn Beck’s Mormonism is getting a thumbs up? If so they have broken two of the Ten Commandments
1). Have no other gods (before the real one)
2). Do not bare false witness

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**When I read The Bible, my interpretation is that I have a personal responsibility to help others. I have not yet encountered a bible verse that endorses confiscating OTHER people’s money in order to do good.**

I do believe its in our constitution that congress can levy taxes, isn’t it? I’m a taxpayer also, and so is everybody else on this blog. The difference is we don’t moan and groan day in and day out about it. Quit crying about taxes and pay em or leave and find a place where there are no taxes – good luck.

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Anyone claiming to be a real Christian while applauding Glenn Beck and allowing him to call himself a Christian owes the real Jesus an apology for baring false witness and leading his sheep away into possibly accepting a counterfeit Jesus & god!

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OK AJC, enough with the suspense…..

Just how DID Lynn Turner die in prison? Was she fed anti-freeze?

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Normal…nice try, but no dice. I still haven’t found a verse where Jesus says we’ll make the top 10% pay for everything, and the bottom 50% pay nothing. Maybe you can assist.

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Callahan…. Ahh the questions that are not real questions….just more misleading distortions…. “socialized heath care”? Now I realize that your namesake was an idiot to shoot first rather than think and that its all so very simple when you think you have the biggest gun…but really it was heath insurance reform.

As for President Obama…he is that….President. Not some huckster for gold shills to the weak minded on Fake News

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Harry Callahan

August 30th, 2010
2:20 pm

I think you just want to fight and aren’t interested in debate, but maybe you can tell me where you get the “bottom 50% pay nothing” thingie. I think you may be exaggerating…

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SMJ,
You learn more about Christian tenants at church than you do at a Christian bookstore. You should try a little more church yourself.

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Folks, it’s you should be BEARING false witness. BARING means to uncover. I would think, on the whole, we should be in FAVOR OF “baring” a false witness, wouldn’t you agree?

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Palin fan
I gave the Christian bookstore because Christian Theology and Doctrine can be found there.
We all know that there are a few Churches are only social clubs and not teaching a hill of beans.
By the way I have read my bible from cover to cover. I suggest you do the same!

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Iraq once had some problems. Shiite vs Sunni vs Christians.

They woke up one day ………….conquered. Machine guns pointed at their heads being ordered to buckle their seat-belts, their trans-fat, weeds, and salt seized, and flooded with Harvard lawyers.

If WE don’t wake up, it could happen to us.

No..wait………………………….

Anyhow, from Mises———–Utopia or Hell———————–

“The government thrives on creating these false dichotomies: Islam or Christianity, conservative or progressive, war or invasion, militant anticommunism or a global communist revolution, war or terrorism, economic interventionism or economic misery. It offers the masses two choices, utopia or hell. The one, it claims, can only be provided by the state, while the other is the product of an unprotected and anarchic society. These illogical fears have tended to win over reason, and the government continues to grow unchecked.”

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Jay:

“Who’s the real Christian? Beck? Obama? You? Me?”

We don’t know …………. only God does for sure because only He sees the heart.

“Not everyone who calls Me Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven”

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Funny you should bring this up, jay.

Just yesterday I was in the church office area following services. Our minister, his wife (both very liberal) and a parishioner were engaged in a conversation regarding the Beck rally. The minister and his wife have no use for Beck because he’s not Christian. Keep in mind…they ARE LIBERALS both having voted for Obama.

Alls I know is that God will judge me on my faith. I did oppose the zoning of a Church of Latter Day Saints in my neighborhood. I guess that makes me a homosexual bigot????

Twitter will have to judge Obama.

schnirt.

It do get cornfusing.

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Jay

Interesting. I didn’t watch coverage of Beck’s rally, but I did record (2am) a broadcast of Wallace’s interview with him. Watched it at lunch, worthwhile. He addressed that. (For anyone who thinks all Fox News is puffball, they’ve never watched a Wallace interview).

Interview’s here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xStUtwM6AWg

If you watch the entire interview, you will see he bases his assessment on what he sees is Pres Obama’s seeming adherence to liberation theology. He accurately relates how the Catholic Church had difficulty with this and condemns it.He then freely acknowledges many majority Christians don’t consider him a “Christian.”

“But that’s what happens once you inject religion into politics”

True, and possibly why, in his interview, he gave example after example to reiterate that point.

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I’m a Mormon and I have been my whole life. I am constantly reading the Bible and invoking Jesus Christ as my Savior and Redeemer.

If you think members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) are not Bible-reading, Christ-fearing individuals, then you need to have your head checked.

Often, I tell my sons bedtime stories involving Jesus Christ’s ministry as set forth in the gospels. We then offer a prayer thanking God for the salvation made possible by Christ’s sacrifice, and close the prayer, “in the name of Jesus Christ amen.”

If you insist that I am a big liar and a fake – please don’t tell my kids. They seem to take such great strength from our prayers and from our conversations about Jesus.

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I have read the bible multiple times. My well-worn family bible is my favorite – especially the chapters I have memorized and notes. I’ll probably read it again tonight. I’ll look for the mention of the Mormons and Christian book stores.

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“No mention of monetary value.”

and no exclusion of it either

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I think you just want to fight and aren’t interested in debate, but maybe you can tell me where you get the “bottom 50% pay nothing” thingie.

Well, key word here is “bottom.”

As for whether you should pay your taxes even if you think that public officials might be poopie-heads, I think Romans 13:1-7 is pretty clear on that.

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Paying taxes isn’t the debate – it is where those taxes go…………..

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I find it interesting that when God set up the tithe, He required 10% from everyone ……… rich or poor. He didn’t have a higher “tithe rate” for the rich.

Well, Scout just proved it. Jesus was for the Flat Tax. This will be a real clincher next time we all get into it over taxes at Billy Bob’s.

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Doggone/GA:

And I didn’t think you would:

1 Corinthians 2:14
“The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

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Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it) :

You’ll have to take that up with “Him”.

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“YAY BOSCH!!!”

““Jesus Christ’s Church has universally rejected Mormonism’s Anti-Trinitarian theology”

That’s kind of an odd thing to say considering that the whole “trinitarian theology” of the Christian church didn’t even come into being until about 300 years after Jesus Christ die.”

Mainstream Christian doctrine: decided by popular vote of centuries after the fact! ZING!

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Christians beware:
Glenn Beck is not a authentic genuine real Christian. This makes him a dangerous lying false prophet!

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The basic message of the Gospel is that the blood of Jesus shed on the Cross paid for the sins of who-so-ever calls upon him and makes him their Lord and Savior. Leaving this major fact out is heresy!

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Anonymous

August 30th, 2010
2:57 pm

Christians beware:
Glenn Beck is not a authentic genuine real Christian. This makes him a dangerous lying false prophet!

He also praises Lincoln. This makes him a dangerous lying false YANKEE STATIST prophet,

imho.

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Stands for decibels
You have a valid point but I was trying to make a point on the fact that Mormon doctrine does not believe in the Cross of Christ as payment for their Salvation.

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Deep throat
Not just stating the facts of the differences in Mormons and Christianity and it is not the same Religion.
If that is what you call throwing stones oh well!

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How can anyone of good conscious pay attention to the diversionary tactics of Glen Beck and other so-called conservatives when our economic well-being is threatened by the mismanagement of the economy by the previous administration and the corporate greed exhibited currently.

Pay attention to what the Repubs will do to remove the block from the Small Business bill in the Senate.

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Deep Throat you are trying to compare apples and oranges here. Stick to the subject.’
Glenn Beck is a Mormon they have do not accept the message of the Gospel but have added another one.

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Anonymous – I’m going to puke…

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For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders.
Isaiah 9:5-7

And when it becomes to much, ye shall shrugg……………….with vengeance.
JT 2010

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NYTN thank God someone gets it!

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Deep Throat again let me repeat Glenn Beck inserted religion into this at his Rally last Saturday.
It is fair to go there and question why he tries to make mainstream Evangelical right-wingers people think he is a Christian!

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I thought it would be easier for a wealthy man to enter through the eye of a needle than to enter the kingdom of heaven.

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He throws stones at Obama’s religious view so it is fair game to take at look at his.
If you were in court the minute an Attorney inserts subject it is open for discussion by the opposing side! Glen Beck started all of this. It is fair to now talk about it. He should have kept his big fake mouth closed as to who was and was not a Christian, seeing as how Mormons and Christians have two different gospels and tenets of faith!

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Anonymous, I have my concerns about obamas religous staus but I am not judging him for that is for God to do, you are obsessed because Glenn Beck has a different political view than you have, perhaps you feel inferior in debating him on the topics if the economy, job growth in America or lack of jobs, or debating obama care.

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What are we back in junior high? You can find funny pics of every president, to each his own.

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Don’t confuse the US gov’t with the bible, its the gov’t that say the rich will pay the most taxes and they are right because they do. (more in 2011)

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Jay:

I’ve been gone most of the day so this is in reply to your previous thread:

Just think of the money American taxpayers will have to fork out for an FBI surveillance office across the street not to mention the listening devices planted in the building during construction.

And if you think that is not going to happen, I have some land in Florida to sell you.

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Some people want to flog the teachers union to death, how’s about the parents and ultimately the student?

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I’m afraid Glen Beck is and always has been an arch-conservative. And since it’s the tendency of those who love wealth by far the most (as he demonstrates so handily) to skew their religion to support their greed, I say take what he says with a very small grain of salt.

And since Jesus told us to love God first and each other as if they’re us, and that it’s impossible to serve two masters – God AND mammon (wealth) – then the safest approach for any of us who want to believe is to choose our own course and who we believe in carefully.

Beck will always reveal his true religious identity through his politics and these have little to do with the complete Christianity taught by Jesus. Remember what Jesus told the young rich man who came to him wanting eternal life?

“Go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven,” he said, “and come and follow me.” And “your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.“

Now what, young rich Glen? Do you really believe you can get that fat a$$ through the eye of a tiny needle? Somehow I think you believe you can, and won’t that be a rude awakening, speaking of awakenings!

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Paul :

You need to go through the N.T. and read what “the Paul” said about those who reject the Diety of Christ. It had already started back then and it was rejected as “fase doctrine”. Christ was not a created being from the Father. He was One with the Father.

John 1

“1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

Many “groups” including the one we are talking about reject the full Diety of Christ and believe that He was a “created” being. That is false doctrine.

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Sorry, got interrupted – “He’s talking about Jews and “Gentiles”.”

Mormons aren’t Gentiles?

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“You know that the rulers in this world lord it over their people, and officials flaunt their authority over those under them. But among you it will be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first among you must be the slave of everyone else.
(Mark 10:42-45)

So Obama is my slave?

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Mormons believe that Jesus Christ was crucified on the cross. They simply prefer to emphasize the risen Lord, not the means of his death. That is why you don’t see crosses on their churches.

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“One thing that came through from that rally was that there seems to be a large number of (I’ll assume) fundamentalist Christians who don’t really give a fig if Beck’s a Mormon or not.”

I’d bet money that 99.99 percent of them didn’t know that Beck was a Mormon.

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Folks ………. this is serious business and I keep coming back to a verse of scripture that solves this whole debate:

Matthew 7

“21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you ……………..”

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This is the subject matter discussed on a sinking ship….

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When I’m overwhelmed with the “wisdom” of mankind, I reach for Ecclesiastes.

Everything Is Meaningless

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Oh, and didn’t Jesus caution about being the first to cast stones?

Who knows…

http://endeavors.unc.edu/spr2006/feature_05.php

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?

Oh, and didn’t Jesus caution about being the first to cast stones?
(This sentence is a trap. Who will fall into it?)

I’ll volunteer for Steny Hoyer.

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P.S. to all :

Matthew 21:7 alone means there is false doctrine and false Christianity out there. That should not surprise you.

Matthew 7

“21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

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Oh Jesus, now Scout is trying to “save” mm. Now, I’ve seen it all.

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Obama’s dilemma

@@ thanks for the laugh of the day.

Am I a racist to laugh?

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Scout:

If I haven’t said it enough, I’ll say it once more. I admire your courage in the face of persecution.

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@@:

Thank you very much but it’s actually music to my ears ………….

“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”

and ………

“if they hated Me, they will hate you also.”

Got to run for the rest of the afternoon.

Everyone try to be nice.

God bless …………………

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First off, this thread has been amazingly civil. Congratulations…

I am not myself a Christian and would not therefore presuppose to define who is and who is not a “Christian” or for that matter who is and who is not a “Jew.” Ask a Lubovitcher and a Reconstructionist is not a “real Jew.” Ask Abie Shapiro and he’ll tell you Rachel Leibowitz is not a “good Jew” because she doesn’t keep kosher. Ask John Smith and they’re all Jews. I think much the same can be said for Christians.

When foreigners come here and are so taken by the plethora of brands and that so many Americans are deeply religious and highly sectarian, they often have trouble understanding that this is, itself, the beauty of our freedom of religion. We don’t really have to worry too much about a religious take over for the simple reason there would be way too many contenders.

Those who get their BVD’s in a wad over religion in politics need only look at this particular thread. It will never get too far because those promoting it will fall apart when it comes to who’s going to be the creed of choice…i.e. who are the “real Christians.” And that, IMHO, is a good thing.

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Jesus is brother of Lucifer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFZ1jVO3-OE

2nd Nephi 5:21

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@jaybookmanajc,

Did you watch the event or are you dependent on other’s opinion of the event?

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Hey! Where’d Anonymous go? I want answers!

Were Adam and Eve real? Why a rib? Why not an appendix? How does the devil make snakes talk? Who did Adam and Eve’s sons marry? Who created the Devil? Did God make a mistake? If Jesus has the power to save everyone, why can’t the Devil be saved? If he can’t be saved, does this mean the atonement is limited? And I still want to know about that human sacrifice stuff.

If you’re not here, does this mean you’ve gone to confess your sins to a Roman Catholic priest so you can turn from your Protestant apostate state?

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Wall St falls as economy worries persist…

SHOCKER!

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A few posters threw out the phrase “freedom of religion” in this thread. Just curious: in what founding document is the phrase “freedom of religion” contained? Or is it one of those “interpretations” of the Constitution and Bill of Rights we hear so much about?

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godless heathen:

Are you a racist? That all depends…

what would you call me if I preferred one of these to an umbrella?

Cool or coolie?

They say a picture’s worth a thousand words, but racist would not be one I chose to describe you.

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MONGO
And interesting point–and I did use the term myself–of course it refers to the separation of church and state. My grandfather always said that the founding documents were more predicated on freedom FROM religion than OF…

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TrueBlueMormon

“You people are idiots”

You sure you’re a Mormon?!!?

Bosch 4:04

Yeah, doesn’t seem fair, does it? I mean, if the only criteria is when you flamed into existence by the simple act of two people having sex at the right place and time in history…

Hey Anonymous!!!

That reminds me. When I’m born, where did I come from? Not my body, that Spirit thing that Christians talk about. How does that work? Is God there creating little spirits to put in bodies? Or is there already some divinity thing in people? How’d that happen, Someone get too close in the bedroom?

You’re a real Christian, aren’t you? Knows others preach false doctrine and you’ve got it right? So… help me out, here! I’m floundering!

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I have put my hands on the screen……………………………

Innnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn the name of the Lawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwd , You are heeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllled.

Now give me some moneyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!

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Paul,

Yeah, and for folks like me who think being gay and all is a borned thing, and if God sent you to hell just cause you was like all gay and stuff, then that just doesn’t make any sense to me because that would imply that God had done gone and messed up with making you gay and all, which ya’ know, God can’t do, cause he/she can’t mess up. Ya’ know?

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Bosch

That is exactly why so many will not admit to one teensy tiny little bit that being gay or straight is anything other than a choice. Wait… I mean, being gay’s a choice. Straight people were born that way…. wait… to be consistent, didn’t they have to choose to be straight? I mean, if God is fair and all….

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Paul,

I chose to be straight, but I don’t like snakes, so what’s gonna happen to me?

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I find it disgusting the Left finds fault with the Beck rally. If political, it was in the mind of the observer, not the program.

Beck is political on his radio and TV programs, but this is a man who fulfilled the promise the rally would not be political. Instead, he begged 500,000 people live, and untold numbers on C-Span, to pray on their knees, in front of their children. The Left finds fault in that? I’m not surprised. It seems anything to do with God is only used by the Left when it supports other purposes, like supporting the Ground Zero mosque.

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Pogo,

Did you use the word c o c k tail by any chance without the spaces? Blog God doesn’t like that.

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Now that Obama has saved our economy and everyone who wants a job has one… and a good one at that, and you can’t even find a house to buy ’cause all the ones that were for sale are now sold, it’s a mighty fine time to argue who is Christian and who isn’t.

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Pogo,

“Beck is just a side effect of the unrest that is building in this country.”

Did this “unrest” just start in January ‘09?

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If you want to see how religious Beck’s followers’ are then read their comments on this site http://wp.me/pNmlT-mI which is critical of Beck and his rally. They are completely blind to facts presented to them if they are contrary to their beliefs. And many respects, their views towards others or the country don’t sound very christian. It is scary to see the hold he has over them despite him offering so little substance or truth.

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Well, three men and one woman of the Apocalypse.

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POGO

“Beck is just a side effect of the unrest that is building in this country.”

On that point I am in agreement and, showman that he is, he’s playing it full tilt and the press is going along for the ride…

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Bosch

4:21 and 4:25

Those questions qualify as eternal mysteries. You’re just gonna havta’ wait and ask God.

Or Anonymous, if he/she ever turns up again.

Did I hear something about a bar of judgment or a judgment bar? Is that for Episcopalians to try out different wines and beers and such and decide which ones are good?

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of the grounds of the Lincoln Memorial .

Off the grounds of the Lincoln Memorial .

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Paul @ 4:38 – maybe I can channel my mom. She didn’t like snakes much either. And, she was straight too.

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Jay,

From you’re silents, I will take it that you did not see or attend Beck’s event. Therefore, you’re thoughts or blogs on the event are irrelevant and are taken from another’s point of view. Talk about third and fourth party gossip! You GO GIRL!!!

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I’m not really sure why you liberals do nothing but keep complaining. Your party is in power. According to USA Today, 1 in 6 of us takes some form of government aid, medicaid is on the rise, the use of food stamps is on the rise, jobless benefits are up, wefare recipients are increasing….seems to me the liberal ideal is winning. Be happy. Maybe soon we will all have our government owned mortgages forgiven too.

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This weekend, the scene shifted to Washington, where the avatars of oppressed white Tea Party America, Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin, were slated to “reclaim the civil rights movement” (Beck’s words) on the same spot where the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. had his dream exactly 47 years earlier.

Only the fat cats change — not their methods and not their pet bugaboos (taxes, corporate regulation, organized labor, and government “handouts” to the poor, unemployed, ill and elderly). Even the sources of their fortunes remain fairly constant. Koch Industries began with oil in the 1930s and now also spews an array of industrial products, from Dixie cups to Lycra, not unlike DuPont’s portfolio of paint and plastics. Sometimes the biological DNA persists as well. The Koch brothers’ father, Fred, was among the select group chosen to serve on the [John] Birch Society’s top governing body. In a recorded 1963 speech that survives in a University of Michigan archive, he can be heard warning of “a takeover” of America in which Communists would “infiltrate the highest offices of government in the U.S. until the president is a Communist, unknown to the rest of us.” That rant could be delivered as is at any Tea Party rally today.

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The jealousy of Beck from the left is comical. And provides more proof why we the right will now fundamentally change this country back to a Capitalistic society and a Republic form of Government, where entrepreneurs can thrived off rich and poor alike. When it comes to making money the right does not discriminate!

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“As many frustrated Americans who have joined the Tea Party realize, we cannot stand against big government at home while supporting it abroad. We cannot talk about fiscal responsibility while spending trillions on occupying and bullying the rest of the world. We cannot talk about the budget deficit and spiraling domestic spending without looking at the costs of maintaining an American empire of more than 700 military bases in more than 120 foreign countries. We cannot pat ourselves on the back for cutting a few thousand dollars from a nature preserve or an inner-city swimming pool at home while turning a blind eye to a Pentagon budget that nearly equals those of the rest of the world combined.”

—Ron Paul

[From article] While the Tea Party will be out supporting Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin this weekend, you wonder how many of them will be in full support of more wars and paying more interest to a group of untouchable and unauditable private bankers otherwise known as the FED? This is precisely what Ron Paul is asking the American public to consider when looking at the Tea Party leaders and see if they really stand for what they believe in.

Ron Paul believes the Tea Party is not about “left” or “right” like a lot of political pundits make it out to be. It’s about the constitution, and limited government.

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Bosch “story of Abraham and Isaac never sat right with me”

I don’t read that story as a report of what one man and his son were put through. I read it as an allegory for the decisions that Jews had to make between their God and the gods of those around them. That they, ultimately, chose their God and rejected the gods who demanded human sacrifices.

Yes, I know it’s written the other way around…but that’s still how it reads to me. Just like the story of Cain and Abel. I don’t read it as a brother vs brother story…but as a story of city vs country. Hatred of city dwellers runs deep in Jewish history, and is especially prevelent during the “Jesus years” when “the city” was where the Roman conquerors mostly lived.

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I thought this was a Christian themed event. If i am going to a Christian event , im not wearing my “Vote for Russell Edwards for 10th district Congressman” or ” Bush lied , thousands died” t-shirt.

It was a political event hiding behind the skirt of Christianity.

In other words, it was nothing new for the GOP.

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Later!!!

Time to play!!!

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Doggone
Your interpretation of the Abraham-Isaac story pretty much jibes with the traditonal (and contemporary as well) view that it is the allegorical lesson to the Hebrews that in their separation from those around them, key was the sanctity of life and they were to be in opposition to the common practice of child sacrifice of those among whom they lived…

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Wow! Talk about missing the point. Beck isn’t trying to convert anyone. He is stating that this country was based on laws and statutes that are professed in the Bible and Torah. ALL laws that govern a society must be based on something or society must revert to whatever one sees as applicable to them.Thus murder becomes ok because the victim deserves it or theft is permittable because the victim has more than me so it’s ok. Beck wants our society to be governed by the laws and statutes as set forth in our Constitution which is based on the Bible because that is what has fundamentally guided America in the past to our previous greatness. We have the problems we have as a country because we’ve abandoned our guiding principles. Government has become our guide instead of God

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Thanks Joseph, I’m glad to hear I’m not too far off in my interpretation.

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Keep up the good fight!: There are a number of problems today that do have everything to do with religion….. The religious nuts who claim that only their interpretation is correct and that the government should impose their religion on others instead of relying on their own church or beliefs to win over converts.
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So you have a problem with people claiming this or that? How does that impact your life? Government isn’t imposing any religion on anyone.

Sounds like you have a problem with free speech.

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Doggone

When Granddaddy was instructing me, I, too, had my problems with the story. His starting point was that what we see was the “lesson” and that the test for Abie was whether or not he would do as G-d commanded, and that when Abe went up the hill, G-d’s “true” lesson was that he (Abe) had already been told to value human life above all else and that included H-mself…i.e. not only is it okay to question G-d, but it is required that you do…otherwise you can easily fall prey to someone claiming to speak for G-d…

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Jack 5:15 Am I the only one who knows what a “no true Scotsman fallacy” is anymore?
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I think you don’t know..Jack.

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To be a monotheist and argue over which God or religion is the correct one is RETARDED. If there’s only one God, then there’s ONLY ONE, and He’s everybody’s God, regardless of which continent and language we were born and raised on. Any frightened, pained person praying to his or her God is praying to the SAME God you are. D’OH! If there’s only ONE, then it doesn’t matter what you call Him. If you’re arguing over who’s God is “correct,” then you’re not a Monotheist and therefore NOT a Christian, the bible for which says there’s only one.

(Polytheists and Athiests are, of course, exempt from this syllogism. Just sayin’.)

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Well, you guys aren’t gonna wanna see this comparison, but let’s “http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/08/a-tale-of-two-rallies-on-the-mall-clean-conservatives-vs-filthy-libs-video/”>take a look anyway.

I’ll be kind and say that liberals were so overcome with Obama fever (no racial slur intended) that they couldn’t muster the strength.

Beck’s rally? Overcome with American fervor. Spotless!

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Not doing too well with my linky dinks (no racial slur intended) today.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/08/a-tale-of-two-rallies-on-the-mall-clean-conservatives-vs-filthy-libs-video/

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Well,

Another bit of twaddle from Bookman. He’s had a burr under his saddle ever since he returned from vacation. Somebody must have said “Get with the dirty, low down. This is war on GOP . Ethics? Forgethics! Go to work. Elections are coming.” So Bookman put on his garden gloves and stirred the dirt..

Every day, he chooses from a list of “Conservative values” and tries to smear each item one day at a time. Any ol’ tactic will do. Discrimination, selective subjects, slanted sources, partial reprints, personal incriminations, and the surety of inflamatory information no matter how unimportant it is. Religion from grade school observations. It goes on and on.

Fortunately there are some interesting bloggers. Some are just as prejudiced as Bookman and some actally think on their own. Praises be for them and for the sheep. And praises for Bookman who can stir muck better than most. If he develops a conscience, the petty evils of this entertainiing blog will end.

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The false prophet concept was central to my instruction…when I asked Granddaddy why it was that it was pretty late in the ballgame when the rabbis decided that the age of the prophets was over, his response was “well, there were so many false ones, it was best just to say don’t trust anybody who claims to be one. It’s not that there are still not prophets sent by G-d, but even they do not know that they are…”

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Doggone
“..but not ALL the pieces…”
So very much my own beliefs. Granddaddy’s lesson there was, “…all search for G-d is a search for truth and enlightenment…therefore any search for truth and enlightenment…what sets us apart is that our search for truth and enlightenement is bound by a search for justice in human terms…”

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Doggone @ 5:36,

I think it’s rather like a bunch of fleas, all of whom are SO certain that they fully and comletely understand the elephant they’re living on, even though the elephant’s size, complexity, and intelligence are so far beyond the level of sophistication a flea can comprehend, it’s not even remotely possible.

So YAMMER ON, fleas!!! God is big, I am small, and the rest of y’all don’t have any more of a clue than I do. **Pbbblllppppppppt!** Arrogant schmucks.

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Jo,

The actuality of the situation is that it is a possibility, regardless of whether one believes it to be meaningless. Since we “know” absolutely nothing about a physical “god”, all possibilities are equal.

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md

“all possibilities are equal,,,”

I agree very much. Thus the “possibility” IS the meaning…

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barking frog

That’s a good one!

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When the zen master was asked when he became enlightened,
his answer was, tomorrow.

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PRINCETON, NJ — Republicans lead by 51% to 41% among registered voters in Gallup weekly tracking of 2010 congressional voting preferences. The 10-percentage-point lead is the GOP’s largest so far this year and is its largest in Gallup’s history of tracking the midterm generic ballot for Congress.

Just sayin…

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Gallup: Republicans lead by 51% to 41% among registered voters in Gallup weekly tracking of 2010 congressional voting preferences. The 10-percentage-point lead is the GOP’s largest so far this year and is its largest in Gallup’s history of tracking the midterm generic ballot for Congress.

The Dems are in for it come Nov. and, as Krauthammer put it, all they they can do is cry (or imply) “bigot” and “racist.” Yet it’s the conservatives who are “simple?!”

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IR/YW: Sorry to duplicate. They probably needed to hear it twice anyway.

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So many people, so many disagreements. I just wish the Rev. Oral Roberts was still with us and could spread his arms and say HEAL and then we could all agree the Holiness church is the true one.

I got to say, though, that @@ ratting Bookman out is pretty low-down. He don’t need Rush on his case.

But I couldn’t hardly help laughing when I read that the rattlesnake that got loose from the zoo got clubbed to death by a guy that knowed what to do when you see a snake. It don’t matter how rare the snake is, you just kill it. Now we’ll be seeing a bunch of libruls holding up protest signs and marching in front of the guy’s house.

Have a good night everybody.

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AmVet 6:00 the million conned man march..

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TaxPayer,

The snake that escaped from the zoo was on his way to D.C. for the rally, but sadly, he didn’t get very far before a worker with a shovel found him. He had faith, though! Right until the very end.

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Jay, you’re a Christian??? Just kidding. Seriously though, you pretty much summed up why I’m an Atheist. It would be funny (in reality its pathetic) watching all these folks arguing who’s the “real” Christian or who belongs to the “true” religion. It’s almost like two kids arguing over which fairy tale is better which, in my opinion, all religions are.

By the way Jay, what’s the difference between a religion and a cult? Numbers. You collect enough adherent to a cult and it becomes a religion. Pure and simple. All religions started out as cults.

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AmVet 6:10 You cast a wide net..

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6:17 AmVet,
In the aftermath interview with Chris Wallace beck said they

were awaiting aerial photography for the count-unbelievable..

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Term limits for ALL politicians, Federal and State, is the answer

Pogo,

You’ve got to limit the length of time people can work on Congressional staffs too. In fact you’d probably get further just doing that.

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Who’s the real Christian? Beck? Obama? You? Me?

To give a serious answer, although I’m not sure that is what he was after, numbers 1-3 are between themselves and God, it isn’t for me to say. Number 4 is the one I need to be concerned about, and I could always do better.

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Even the TelePrompter is sick of this whiney little stooge-

Obama Hit With Technical Difficulities While Bashing Bush

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/08/30/obama_hit_with_technical_difficulities_while_bashing_bush.html

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RW
Okay, so we’ll take the long route to the glue factory!

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PAUL

Well, my cousin said he was coming back…this time as Diogenes…

And AmVet
In case you’re still around…we may not know who the real Christian is, but we know who the “real Jew” is, eh?

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I have hundreds of family members that are Mormon and live in Utah. They are nice people. Good people. They are very careful to avoid sin. However, they have engaged in a huge sin: following Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon is a LIE. It is a LIE. The book of Mormon is a LIE.

Yes, I said it three times. That’s an important message.

Joseph Smith was a fraud.

Read the Book of Mormon and you’ll gasp at the lie.

The Koran is a lie as well. The Koran says that Jesus didn’t really die, but that God put his likeness on someone else, and that someone else died instead of Jesus. LIES.

Jesus DID die, WAS burried, and ROSE from the grave.

Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior, and ONLY through faith in Him can you receive salvation. You CANNOT EARN SALVATION. It cannot be earned through deeds or tithing or by being a good person. Only God’s grace, which is 100% free, can save you.

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PAUL

If I have any heroes from the Greek philosophers, it would be Diogenes…Uncle Ralph was once asked to sum up Diogenes. He said he could do it on two words, “It’s horsesh*t!” But then I am a cynic at heart…

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Nice blog, Jay, as a leftie.

Let’s beat up on the LDS, like so many have done here. Love that liberal tolerance.

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josef nix

You have some interesting relatives! Kinda dangerous for a little kid without the confidence to think for himself, though -

I’ll give an answer to Jay’s Question That Started This All:

“Who’s the real Christian? Beck? Obama? You? Me? ”

No one. Especially those who decide who isn’t one.

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josef,

When you talk about Diogenes you might want to know we had one of those ankle biter type posters that went by that name around these parts a few years back.

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No one is by definition a Christian by everbody elses definition of Christian. The arguement over who is a Christian and who is not is an absurbe question.

Another example is what people would define as good American. No one can meet everyones definition of a good American.

God is either like a unicorn or gravity whether he or she exist doesn’t has no relationship with whether you believe in them or not.

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Jonix, the REAL Jew?

According to some…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXCqDbCQVdw

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Moderate line: BS.

A Christian is easy to define. Read the New Testament.

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AmVet

Heh, heh. The irony of it is, you probably ARE!

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“Jesus loves the little children
All the children of the world
Red and yellow, black and white
They are precious in His sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world.”

Race or politics won’t matter in Heaven. It won’t be a democracy. We’ll have a King.

I can hardly wait.

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AmVet

Okay, I can see we’re

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1rArjZ_z6c&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxFzFIDbKpg

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Of course, I don’t believe in reincarnation, Christian heavens, purgatories and hells, Jewish sheols, Norse valhallas and hels nor Islamic jannahs and jahannams.

But hey that’s my hangup, right?

But I did love this line from Schwartzkopf. When asked if believed in forgiveness for those who harbored terrorists he said, “I believe that forgiving them is God’s job. Our job is to simply arrange the meeting.”

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josef nix

I notice no one who ends up on Food TV ever started life as a scientist….

BTW – I loved the Turtles. Got a kick out of the lead singer (?) who didn’t play any instrument but the tambourine.

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Ah, the Turtles and memories…it was indeed a great time to be a kid and amazing, but I can still sing along with them…remember every word!

PAUL
Food TV, eh… and what’s your favorite show….?

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I cannot believe that this conversation is continuing. Funny, I don’t remember being a “Christian” written into the constitution’s Presidential requirements. Frankly, I would be giddy to know that he is an atheist, that way I could trust him to make a judgment on facts instead of fantasy.

Never mind that the divisiveness in this country today is exactly what makes a terrorists day. They are showing young little boys the videos of those fools at ground zero as proof that America is an enemy to Islam and not just terrorists. And very few Americans are getting it. Mayor Bloomberg gets it. Image that, a billionaire Jewish man. He has far more integrity than the non-Christian Christian Glenn Beck, and more reasons to hate Muslim/terrorists who attacked HIS city. Beck with his black boards and crocodile tears to the point of being dehydrated is a megalomaniac who is lining his pockets with money from a terrorist funded FOX news organization. Yeah, the whole time they were ragging on the
funding of the Islamic center, they are being funded by the same Arab.

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Redneck:

I got to say, though, that @@ ratting Bookman out is pretty low-down.

RAT(ting) is a dish served by left-wingers. I’ve tasted it. It’s lousy. Wouldn’t serve it to a dog.

Not saying, jay’s a dog or anything…

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Aw, nuts.

First Anonymous, now Mike. Two bloggers show up with The Truth, excoriating the infidels (Christians have infidels, right?) but ask them a couple questions and poof! they’re gone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfdnhnjlsAk

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PAUL

Paula Dean…”you can tell it’s a good recipe if it starts with a stick of butter…”

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Nobody asked me, but my favorite Food Network program is “The Barefoot Contessa”…Ina Garten.

I like her calm approach to food.

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Ain’t it the truth! Sometimes I wonder if they aren’t on his payroll!

Or is it the other way around?

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How many of you cons had your honor restored by Beck. Come on. You can share your secrets with us.

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Huffington Post goes from Progressive Politics to Progressive Porn.

Can anyone tell the difference?

“In the wake of Glenn Beck’s hugely successful Restoring Honor rally held in Washington, D.C. this weekend, the Huffington Post has published an offer of $100,000 to anyone with evidence that would destroy Beck’s reputation and take him off the political/cultural battlefield.”

I suppose this is the logical progression of progressives’ tactics with Dr. Laura: hear something you don’t like, don’t argue the facts, don’t offer a better viewpoint; instead, try to personally destroy them.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2579985/posts

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Code Pink…Code Pink!!!!

Two men were arrested after a flight from Chicago to Amsterdam and were charged by Dutch police with preparation of a terror attack, ABC News is reporting online.

One man was identified as Ahmed Mohamed Nasser al Soofi who had lived in Detroit, according to ABC News.

Officials found a box cutter and large knives in al Soofi’s baggage, according to the report. A cell phone taped to a Pepto-Bismol bottle and watches taped together also were discovered.

Read more: Report: Man with Detroit ties held in suspected terror plot after flight | freep.com | Detroit Free Press http://www.freep.com/article/20100830/NEWS06/100830053/Report-Man-with-Detroit-ties-held-in-suspected-terror-plot-after-flight#ixzz0y9HcUeNd

A Pepto-Bismol bottle???

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The hits keep on coming: CLIMATE CHANGE LIES ARE EXPOSED:

“THE world’s leading climate change body has been accused of losing credibility after a damning report into its research practices.

The review by the InterAcademy Council (IAC) was launched after the IPCC’s hugely embarrassing 2007 benchmark climate change report, which contained exaggerated and false claims that Himalayan glaciers could melt by 2035.”

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We’ve got 10% unemployment, a $1.4 trillion budget deficit, Islamofascists building nuclear weapons, failing schools, and people STILL living in trailers in New Orleans, and THIS is what Bookman is worried about?

No wonder–paying attention to the important stuff would be bad publicity for his Idiot Messiah.

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Well, was You Know Who his stand in here?

josef,

I must have missed something. Then again there’s no future in going backward to find out.

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AmVet

It’s a hoax, but it’s funny:

http://thechive.com/2010/08/10/girl-quits-her-job-on-dry-erase-board-emails-entire-office-33-photos/

Pleasant evening, all -

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Taxpayer,

He’s trying. You are just not listening. A few facts about Saturday’s proceedings. Although this was supposed to be a big racial clusterf***, no racial speech was heard. Although “these people” are about nothing but violence and compared to brown shirts, not a single complaint was filed with the police or security about violence, disrespectful speech or unseemly behavior. CBS said that there were 87K people there. Many have estimated the crowd at between 400-500K. The Smithsonian has asked Beck for memorabilia of the largest rally organized by a single person in the the history of rallies in DC. Are you listening to the message or just demonizing this guy? There were blacks, asians, whites, jews, in the crowd, especially the 240 clergy of all faiths that were gathered behind Beck on the dias. King;’s niece is already catching heat for hanging out with whitey. Did you listen to what he had to say or were you just too filled with hate? There was not a single instance of political speech, not a single sign, no racial connotations….. what the hell do you want? This guy could come back from the dead and to you and all the liberals, he would still be an assh***.. And I thought you had half a brain. You and Tucker are just alike. Bookman at least has an occasional glimmer of sanity but you are all but dead in the water.

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Gale: “The problem is that something that should be a very private matter for each person and his conscience, has become a means to rile up an emotion-driven electorate. We would be far better served if we insisted our politicians keep their religious beliefs to themselves.”

HD: “To give a serious answer, although I’m not sure that is what he was after, numbers 1-3 are between themselves and God, it isn’t for me to say. Number 4 is the one I need to be concerned about, and I could always do better.”

Wise words to live by, Gale and HD!!

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But since I never live by wise words, thought I’d pick at Scout over the Trinity Doctrine:

* The word “Trinity” does not appear in the Bible
* The word “Trinity” was first used by Tertullian (c.155-230)
* The doctrine of the Trinity is commonly expressed as: “One God, three Persons”
* The doctrine is formally defined in the Nicene Creed, which declares Jesus to be: “God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father.”
* Past and present Christian faiths who do not believe in the Trinity include:
o Arianism (4th century)
o Some Radical Reformers (16th century), such as Michael Servetus
o Jehovah’s Witnesses
o Mormonism
o Unitarianism
* Reasons given for rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity include:
o It is not mentioned in the Bible
o It does not make philosophical sense
o It is not compatible with monotheism
o It is not necessary in order to explain the “specialness” of Jesus
* Reasons given for believing in the Trinity include:
o It is taught indirectly in various statements in the Bible
o It explains the divinity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit while affirming monotheism
o It would not be expected that the nature of God would make sense to human minds
o The early ecumenical councils (primarily Nicea) are authoritative

http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/beliefs/trinity.htm

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When the culture goes the country goes.

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Bruno:

Matthew 28

“18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.”

That’s good enough for me.

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I just took a looksee at C. Tucker’s column. Interesting that she’s using Christopher Hitchens to exact her pound on white flesh. Given all her columns regarding “radical right-wingers” and their “islamaphobia”, she may wanna check out Hitchens opinion of the “seedier” side of Islam and those who want it to go forth unquestioned.

Just an excerpt from Hitchens’ piece at Slate:

Emboldened by the crass nature of the opposition to the center, its defenders have started to talk as if it represented no problem at all and as if the question were solely one of religious tolerance. It would be nice if this were true. But tolerance is one of the first and most awkward questions raised by any examination of Islamism. We are wrong to talk as if the only subject was that of terrorism. As Western Europe has already found to its cost, local Muslim leaders have a habit, once they feel strong enough, of making demands of the most intolerant kind. Sometimes it will be calls for censorship of anything “offensive” to Islam. Sometimes it will be demands for sexual segregation in schools and swimming pools. The script is becoming a very familiar one. And those who make such demands are of course usually quite careful to avoid any association with violence. They merely hint that, if their demands are not taken seriously, there just might be a teeny smidgeon of violence from some other unnamed quarter …

Oh well…

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“That’s good enough for me.”

The elements of the Trinity are presented in various combinations throughout the Bible, in single form, in couplet form, and all together as you have presented in Matthew 28. I think a good argument could be made either for or against the concept of Trinity.

BTW, based on your selection of quotes, are you a King James Version supporter. Personally, I prefer the NIV.

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“My question then, to the editors, is: In your faith and values section of the paper, could you reserve space for discussion of Muslim family values and their views on the role of citizens in the community? Has it ever been tried? Don’t you think it’s time to give peace, love and understanding a chance?”

Sabagio–I don’t keep score, but I do recall several AJC articles in the past devoted to explaining Muslim theology. Though Islam is large on a world scale, we’re still at the 1-2% representation level here in the US. Great challenge for the AJC, however.

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Where are the libs hiding Pelosi? Are you giving her food and water ?

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Bruno:

I like both as well as other versions taken directly from the Hebrew and Greek.

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AmVet–More JA to get you psyched up. I’ll make a gentleman’s bet that he plays this one from the second YES album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzb0lIPpg8o

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Mick, as we all know, Jeff Beck is the real deal. He’s influenced generations of guitarists. Even other guitar gods.

Glenn Beck is a con artist, drama queen and serial prevaricator.

Which begs the question, THIS is the man to restore American honor?

What a farce…

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“After the event, walking from the Lincoln Memorial’s reflecting pool through Constitution Gardens, this reporter scanned 360 degrees and could not see a scrap of trash anywhere.”

Definitely not the case at the 1992 Earth Day celebration at Piedmont Park. Of course, it was a great concert, though, featuring Papa John Creech and the Black Crowes.

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EDUCATION SEC URGED STAFF: GO TO SHARPTON RALLY

Do I not know what I am talking about?

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Beck is a Mormon. Mormons venerate a false prophet who warped and twisted the Word, and hence are not Christian. Not a tough debate, really.

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Scout:

N.O.W.?

Conservative, Tammy Bruce, thinks N.O.W. is a terrorist group.

If the Baptists were Democrats, supporting abortion, I doubt seriously N.O.W. would complain.

Conservative Baptists opposed to abortion? ABSOLUTELY!

Priorities, you know.

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Brother B, I’m like a kid awaiting Xmas!

Next week, two TR shows and then on the 12th, Jon Anderson!

With a golfing weekend in Myrtle Beach in between.

What a great year it’s been. Hell, I’m still high from seeing Justin Hayward and the Moodie Blues back in February.

Sometimes, it is as though my life just keeps getting better all the time. Or maybe I just savor the sweetness of it more now…

Love is the only answer,
hate is the root of cancer then.
Truth is just for the being
and there’s the sight for seeing then.

Back at ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOpWXmDpDek&feature=related

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“The problem with Christians is that they persistently ignore Christian values.”

eyes: Once more, from Richard Feynmann, the greatest Physicist of the second half of the 20th century:

“Looking back at the worst times, it always seems that they were times in which there were people who believed with absolute faith and absolute dogmatism in something, And they were so serious in this matter that they insisted that the rest of the world agree with them. And then they would do things that were directly inconsistent with their own beliefs in order to maintain that what they said was true.”

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Is there something deeper about him that bothers you??

Nope, I’ve seen virtually none of his programming. On CNN or Fox. Or elsewhere. Ever.

What little I know of him has been through the attention he gets here in blogdom. So I’ve read some of his boneheaded statements, etc and watched a few hilarious youtube clips of him making an ass out of himself. But that’s about it.

But to the point that he is just another exceptionally wealthy “televangelist” preaching to his sheep, what the hell do I care?

I just find it a bit bizarre, but very American, that he is such a megalomaniac that he stands in front of Honest Abe to get even more pub…

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McCann hits a bomb and the Braves rout of the hapless Mets is on.

How sweet is that???

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Scout:

One more thing. I watched a PBS documentary awhile back, “The Women of Afghanistan”.

As I’ve already stated, I’m no big fan of the surge into Afghanistan. The women are attributing our presence there, as the reason they’re suffering unspeakable atrocities. Said after the initial invasion, things got a bit better, but NOW, it’s unbearable for them. They want us gone. Said they would rather return to their burqas. They said they’d rather fight for their own freedom.

Thing is…there was another documentary about young boys being used as sex slaves by the men in Afghanistan….call them “The Dancing Boys”. Seems it’s a tradition over there for men to purchase boys as young as 11 from poor families, take them to all male gatherings and make them perform. The boys are then sold to the highest bidder and used for sexual pleasure. If the boys try to escape, they’re killed.

The women want us gone? Fine with me, but what will they do to save their children?

It’s disgusting and I’m disgusted with the whole lot of ‘em.

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Except the children of Afghanistan. It’s always about the children with me.

Does ANYBODY care about the children?

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Hey Scout….. when the next 9/11 happens, this blog is going to be strangely silent, don’t you think? I am sure there won’t be any muslim segments on here for a while after that.

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but will you hold hands with him, Scout?

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Please don’t compare tithing to taxes. Tithing is a commandment from God, which is voluntary. We as Christians should seek to give in as many ways as we are able and desire.
Taxes on the other hand are collected by force and are used in many instances to destroy the Kingdom of God here on earth.

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“We as Christians should seek to give in as many ways as we are able and desire.”

Falcon–I’m not sure what the mainstream interpretation of tithing is, but I’ve always interpreted the commandment to not mean ONLY money. A person can give their time as well, which sometimes makes more of an impact than money.

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I bet Obama is more Christian they beck -hes of the chosen few

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Falcon, I’m not sure who your favorite televangelist is, but I’m going with Mike Murdoch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=205dNLquKnE

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Jesus would both weep and vomit at the sight of Beck and such fellow-freaks.

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Here’s the rub and nobody is going to like it. Both Obama and Glenn Beck are, historically speaking & by strict definition, sub-Christians at best.

In the truest sense of the historical record, the earliest Christians (the Apostles) were from Judaism. The Church which they founded was Eastern Orthodox and “… they were first called Christians at Antioch….” Acts 11:26.

In 1054 the Roman Church founded by St. Peter, left the Orthodox Communion and founded its own “pope”, and by extension, it’s own ecclesiastical church, based on the “pope’s” encylicals of that time. On a lovely autumn day in 1517, one irritating upstart named Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of the All Saints Cathedral at Wittenburg. Thus began the Protestant Reformation which continues to this day.

Moral #1 : You can’t combat one heresy with another, and once you are a schismatic (1054 AD) anyone who follows you is by definition, also a schismatic in perpetuity.

Moral #2: Once you are a schismatic, your beliefs are necessarily tailored to suit your own agenda, and Obama’s case, it proves to be quite interesting.

Methodism, by strict code may be termed “Christian” in scope but not in praxis since it has no historical ties to the original Church (Orthodox) and subsequently, is founded on a liberation theology that the earliest Christians would not recognize, much less, embrace. Methodism in modern times, has tended to embrace the human Jesus, and while not exactly rejecting his “divinity”, at least has ignored it as long as possible. This is where a comparison between Obama’s “Christianity” and Islam gets interesting. Muslims too, reject/ignore Jesus’ divinity, while honoring him as an imperfect prophet. Turns out, this is a particularly Nestorian heresy rooted in the teachings of yet another “heretic” from the Orthodox faith “Nestorius”. Nestorius taught that Jesus was fully human but not really divine. Therefore he rejected the hypostasis and it hardly surprising to me that Mohammed carried that through in his writing of the Qu’aran.

In this way, we could almost say that in the modern day, many Protestant or shall we say non-historical “Christians” such as Obama and Glenn Beck, a Mormon may in fact be, at the furthest reach of this logic, Nestorian heretics and therefore, they ALL have something in common.

Unfortunately, the true historical measure of a “Christian” church is whether or not it has the following:
Apostolic Succession dating directly back to the Apostles which can be verified through a historical record.
Seven Sacraments
Holy Orders
Holy Scripture combined with, Holy Tradition.

At best, one can say that out of all the Protestant denominations, the only one that comes to that description would be the Anglicans (also known as some of the more conservative Episcopalians in the US, which is a whole ‘NOTHER story for ‘NOTHER time.)

The only 3, historically verifiable Christian groups that can fit this description are:
The Eastern Orthodox
The so-called “Oriental Orthodox” (Ethiopian, Copts of Egypt, etc.)
The Roman Catholic Church – which can be eliminated in essence because of it’s record of willful schism.

One could argue that by that same logic, one would have to eliminate one of the other 2 (Oriental and Eastern) because either:
A. the Orientals were right to reject certain Ecumenical councils OR
B. The Easterners were right to hold and ratify 7 Ecumenical Councils.

So, anyone in a snit about this whole issue, either way, has a lot of thinking and research to do.
Best wishes,
Pyrata

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Bruno, it’s late and that was confusing.

I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior. I don’t follow people who are dead and burried in the ground, such as Buddah, Mohamud, Joseph Smith or Elvis Presley.

Each of the above has a grave. Jesus’ was empty on the third day. He rose from the grave, spent more time on Earth to teach and counsel, and then literally ascended to Heaven.

And to paraphrase Arnold, Jesus said “I’ll be back.”

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And for USinUK, I can’t resist leaving this Benny Hinn piece entitled “Demon Possessed Witch”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4pp7IZ3nH0&feature=related

Have a blessed morning, all.

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I would also like to make a challenge to all. Let’s start a new trend. That is, let us be courageous and use our real names as our screen name in posting comments in forums, blogs, and comments like this instead of cowardly hiding behind fake names. If we believe in what we are saying, why should we not stand up and be counted for who we really are. I am not afraid for people to know who I really am, I am Jeremy Olson and I live in Orland, California, if you want to call me and discuss my beliefs with me feel free to call my cell phone at 530-321-8848. I am not ashamed of my beliefs or afraid of discussing them with anyone.

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The Vent called the majority of American’s “bobble headed drones.”

Never mind the audacity of a propaganda rag allowing such drivel, is it not easy to tell when the liberals are absolutely getting their asses kicked?

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[...] mental patient, Glenn Beck, held some silly rally in D.C. to “restore honor” and rant how Barack Obama’s beliefs are a “perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ.” Since he attracts a mostly racist [...]

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kayaker 71,

did Beck restore your honor?

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Beck and Palin Saturday night
he offered her honor,
she honored his offer,
all night it was honor and offer.

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Good, good morning to all y’all…I hope your day will be filled with mirth…mine already is after reading Andy this morn’…

A funny…

http://punditkitchen.com/2010/08/30/political-pictures-beck-v-king/

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g’morning, dB … did I miss anything yesterday?

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so. a DC friend of mine went to the Beck hootenanny and took pics and all I can say is this: 1) if Michelle Bachmann honestly believes that 1 million people were in attendance, she needs to have her eyesight examined … and 2) boyhowdy, the pasty elasticated waistband population was well-represented.

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USinUK – I think it was CNN who estimated it at about 87,000

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Doggone/GA

August 31st, 2010
7:34 am

Doggone, no I haven’t…show me!

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Jeremy,

I respect that you are more than likely a good person, as most Mormons are. I think the service that young Mormons are required to do is a good thing. I do think they should rethink making them bike around in 98 degree heat in a suit, but that is just my opinion as a fellow cyclist.

I do think Joseph Smith was somewhat deranged though. Seriously, Jesus really was born in Missouri and he looked in a hat with a bunch of rocks in it and was dictated to by an angel? I think he might be considered a pedophile by today’s standards, which Warren Jeffs and his ilk continue in his name today. Until reading John Krakauer’s “Under the Banner of Heaven” I really did not know what Mormons believed, but I found that book very disturbing.

A common theme in most religions is the subjugation of women. Catholicism, Islam, Mormonism, Geez we did not even get the right to vote in the land of the free until 1920, decades after Black men. Albeit Blacks, both men and women, were just as subjugated.

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Normal – here’s just one example:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/27/stewart-beck-rally-civil-rights_n_696758.html

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“how was honor restored? ”

Be patient…he has a 100 year plan for that. You have to remember, only Obama is expected to fix everything overnight.

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Normal – 7:38 – white shoes are definitely out … after Labor Day, you just switch from summer white to winter white (which is more of a creamy white than summer white, which is a true, blue-based white)

Hawaiian shirts are good all year around, though. you can quote me on that.

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SFD,

I have had the same silly conversations with my relatives too. My father, a retired Marine officer, a retired State of Georgia worker, Medicare recipient and Social Security beneficiary who never worked for anyone but a form of Government in his entire career, frequently refers to me and my sister as communists because we voted for Obama. Never mind neither of us have ever worked for anything but private industry for 30 plus years and never received a dime from the government for any reason. You can not have an intelligent conversation with someone who ignores facts.

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“”We’re not going to let anyone get away with saying there were less than a million here.” (Michelle Bachmann)

Oh noes I have already said it! I will be hunted and executed by the Armey of Dick!

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Never mind neither of us have ever worked for anything but private industry for 30 plus years and never received a dime from the government for any reason.

Me neither. (well, save for a mercifully few weeks’ worth of unemployment compensation, if you want to count that–which is a bit of a stretch, given that I’d paid into that fund for a coupla decades previous.)

Anyway, love to stay and chat, but I gotta go help pay for Scout’s pension and healthcare benefits.

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Doggone/GA

August 31st, 2010
7:43 am

Too Funny!

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Normal – yep, agreed!

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I though Scout was the only real Christian.

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G’morning, TaxPayer

I realize you’re having fun asking people about restoring the country’s honor and all, but you just might want to watch Beck’s interview on the subject to make sure you’re accurately representing the situation:

http://reddogreport.com/2010/08/glenn-becks-interview-with-chris-wallace/

I’d post links about how Candidate Obama said we needed to do all this restoration stuff, but I’m limited to just a couple links per post.

Bruno

One of my more frustrating moments was when I signed up for a new cable tv service, looked through the listings and thought “neat, Benny Hill!” Set up the recorder and let it run. Okay, so the guide said “Benny Hinn” and I figured some type guy fatfingered it and it was a misprint. Next evening I settle in, turn on the recorder and it’s “what the heck is this?!!?”

Gotta admit, if it wasn’t played for being real it’d be almost as amusing as Benny Hill -

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Dumb topics like this one keeps the doom of the upcoming mid-term elections from being a reality for Democrats. It will be swift, it will be brutal and it will be felt.

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Callahan -re:socialized health care and Obama FEAR ? Ask me and I am not quite pauperized yet…Never -ending deductibles, massive out-of- pocket expenses ,unreal cost of medications etc You are either one of God’s chosen who never gets ill or far above us in your SES category .

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Tammy Faye Becker is a for-profit, self-evangelical, buffoonishly hysterical operative of the fringefringefringe CONnie Reichwingnut apparatus and admits as much, repeatedly saying that what he does is entertainment. That he’s good friends with the uberrich Koch Brother smear machine and employed by Rupert (in bed with the Ground Zero Mosque Terrorist) Murdoch does little to butress his lachrymose/theatrical assertion of his “independent” agenda; he is an integral cog in the decades-wrought faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar Reichwingnut strategy to attack! attack! attack! ANY Democratic politician with “genuine/organic” (bowel) movements (astroturfed outrage hysteria like the Tea Party) — that are sub rosa, completely-funded shams to further enrich the regressive industrial/political (FASCIST) robber barons that are the cancerous elephants in the room. You hate President Obama: ok. But just know where your malevolent bread is being buttered from.

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Also, just because I didn’t talk about the other false rumors doesn’t mean that I think they are true, I just don’t have the time to pick apart every single accusation that is made. I just picked this one to demonstrate how facts can be twisted. I mean, come on, have you been watching Glenn Beck, then you must know how it has happened to the United State’s history, how it is being mis-represented, twisted, and in some cases we are being told out right lies…it is the same thing.

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A Christian is ANYONE who repents of sin(s), acknowledges that God sent his only begotten Son (the Word) to earth to die for our sins, resurrected 3rd day, ascended back to Creator , is now our intercessor. We serve the risen Hebrew Messiah, Yeshua ha Maschiach. Freedom lets us debate both politically and spiritually… We are spirit, mind, body, & soul embracing all aspects of our being. These are exciting times (end time). PROPHESIES are being fullfilled daily. Rejoice in the Lord Jesus, Always!!! Thanks for the opportunity to share. God Bless Our United States of America…..

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I have the same thinking as Gale. Our beliefs, whatever they are, are Private!! If a person is Not using his/her religious beliefs to do whatever in the political arena then it Should be left alone! I, for one, would Never want to be put in these people’s shoes!

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I doubt that Obama is the Messiah, but Glenn Beck could be the anti-Christ.

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Mormons ARE christians, hence the correct name of the church…The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The name Mormon is a nick-name. If anyone desires to be more informed on what the church teaches, google the LDS church website, that way your comments can be much more informed.

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Those of you that insist that “Mormons” are not, by your definition, ‘Christians’ are absolutely correct. They are NOT! It is sad that some of them try so hard to qualify, under your definitions, as ‘Christians’. They are members of The Church of Jesus Christ. That is the Gospel of Jesus Christ as restored through a prophet of Jesus Christ because his gospel had been so bastardized and distorted hundreds of years after his death. If His gospel was left, intact, upon the earth, in it’s pure and original form, all of you evangelicals know that (or maybe you don’t) because your not members of the organization that claims to have his gospel and authority, to act in his name, from the time he left the earth and the keys to the administration of his ordinances upon the earth, and left with one who was one of his original Apostels.
Now let’s get back to what the real issue is here…..politics….not religion. You Christian “Religionists” alienate otherwise good people, that have conservative values, but don’t want to deal with your strident dogma. Wake up, separate religion from politics and get something done.

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There is and only will be one Jesus Christ.

Mormonisn, Also known as “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”, is a Christian, Bible based faith.

The Book of Mormon is a companion to the Bible, not a replacement!

The Book of Mormon chronicles Gods word as it was given to the peoples of this continent and it in no way belittles, degrades, nor disputes the Bible or Jesus Christ.

As one of the fastest growing religions in the world, it might be prudent for all of the “Mormon Bashers” to do a little actual research.

If you are honest Christians it would be a good thing to know what you are talking about before trying to belittle a faith that is home to so many wonderful and humble followers of Jesus!

Glenn Beck may not be a saint, but he is on the right track. This country needs to renew its MORAL COMPASS.

Faith in Jesus and following his teachings is the path.

There have been, and will continue to be many great Mormon leaders in the public realm.

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Beck should be talking to the thousands of Mormons who still accept polygamy as a cover to have sex with underaged females along with their deep beliefs that Black people are descendants of Cain of the Bible whom they believe God cursed with black skin as a sign of evil after killing his brother Abel. Beck’s religious rants much like those of Jim Jones of Jonestown, Guyana notoriety who took is followers on a walk to death. Beck’s picture of American History is if God desired a “White Nation” where the white man should reign in supremacy and never allow anyone of the non white race to rise in leadership over the white man. He wants death to Obama which is sick.

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I am a devout Christian and also a devout Mormon. To me a Mormon is a Christian in the truest sense of the word. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints it the same church that Jesus Christ established during his ministry. It has been restored back to the earth. We have the same organization that existed in Christ’s time. We have twelve apostles, we send missionaries two by two to preach the gospel, we have the authority to perform ordinances by the power of God, etc. This priesthood authority is held by the lay people of the church not by an oppressive few church leaders. I am glad that I belong to this church and am a true Christian. People persecuted the early Christians and called them a peculiar people. It is not much different today.

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blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Live the difference.

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I agree totally with the following which someone posted on Aug 30.

“The basic message of the Gospel is that the blood of Jesus shed on the Cross paid for the sins of who-so-ever calls upon him and makes him their Lord and Savior. Leaving this major fact out is heresy!”

How can anyone equate ‘Muslims’ with Christians? Baptist, Catholic, etc. Folks, look at the message they are spreading…

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For all of you, religion is only another word for politics. The bible is religions constitution. God is the spiritual link in man of a consciousness which may unite us, in a common good, but has not…ever. Each religion has it’s own demagogue depending on where you live. The belief that any one of them is better than the other proves mans lack of belief in a common good. Religion bashing is the same as any other creation of man, in error, at fault, imperfect and to the detriment of man. Here is a simple example of the ineptness of man to care about his own in the furtherment of his own greed… high school football…
31 deaths reported since 1995..9.237 heat illnesses (nationwide) from 2005-2009. This is what adults do to children in the name of “the game”. I believe that is neglect in legal terms. Knowing that harm will come as the result of a certain activity. Manipulating the minds of children to perform certain acts that are known to cause injury and death in the name of a game which is not really a game but in fact an industry created to promote gambling.
There are many, many more examples. This one seems to me to be the most ludacris use of “a pre game prayer, in Jesus’ name”.
Humans must control something. It is inborn to us. And in that process, if you cannot be controlled, you die. Politics and religion are the tools used for this and both are really only other words for economic oppression. Your minutes are counted from the day you are born and as you grow older those minutes are used to project the wealth of politicians and religious leaders. And, they are wealthy. Why would a man put himself through the hell of being laid open in a political campaign? It certainly is NOT for God and country or the pitance pay he will receive “serving” the people. And why do religious leaders get their 10%? Money cannot save ANY soul, but in fact further corrupts it.
Spirituality is all yours. It is YOUR belief in God, if you do BELIEVE in God.

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