Who’s the real Christian? Beck? Obama? You? Me?
Glenn Beck attacks Barack Obama’s religious beliefs, claiming “it’s a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ as most Christians know it.”
But in turn, at least some in the Christian evangelical community say similar things about Beck.
“Glenn Beck promotes a false gospel,” says Christianinvestigator.com. “However, many of his political ideas can help America. Our country was founded on Judeo-Christian values. Mormonism is not a Christian denomination but a cult of Christianity.”
Brannon Howse, a conservative writer and founder of Worldview Weekend, which organizes Christian conferences, criticized evangelical participation in that event in a column this week.
“The Apostle Paul warns Christians against uniting with unbelievers in spiritual endeavors,” Howse wrote. “While I applaud and agree with many of Glenn Beck’s conservative and constitutional views, that does not give me or any other Bible-believing Christian justification to compromise Biblical truth by spiritually joining Beck.”
Much of the criticism – along with confusion about the propriety of evangelicals politically linking arms with Mormons – is less formal and more rooted among in-the-pews churchgoers than evangelical elites.
“Jesus Christ’s Church has universally rejected Mormonism’s Anti-Trinitarian theology and its claim that mortals may become God,” David Shedlock, a contributor to the evangelical blog Caffeinated Thoughts, wrote in a post this month. “Beck asks Christian leaders to ‘put differences aside,’ but Beck himself daily peppers his broadcasts with Mormon distinctives because he cannot keep his beliefs to himself.”
Sad stuff, for politics, for religion, for Chrisitianity.
But that’s what happens once you inject religion into politics. Debates about the right government policy degrade into debates over who is more Christian than the other, or whether they’re Christian at all. It’s remarkable how many times we have to relearn that lesson.
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NYTN
August 30th, 2010
3:07 pm
Is GLENN BECK Paving The Way for a MITT ROMNEY Presidency?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFdaT2vZpSs
Hi Anonymous
August 30th, 2010
3:07 pm
Anonymous – I’m going to puke…
Anonymous2
August 30th, 2010
3:07 pm
The bottom line is to bring in a diversion close to an election is what Beck is doing.
Does anyone have a plan to get America back to work and create jobs?
jt
August 30th, 2010
3:08 pm
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders.
Isaiah 9:5-7
And when it becomes to much, ye shall shrugg……………….with vengeance.
JT 2010
Doggone/GA
August 30th, 2010
3:08 pm
“Mormons have a different Gospel ”
“I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.”
Anonymous2
August 30th, 2010
3:08 pm
NYTN thank God someone gets it!
Deep throat
August 30th, 2010
3:08 pm
Anonimous, I am referring to your judging a fellow man, or what appears to your obsession of Glen Beck, his views politically may differ from yours and you may debate him on those merits,but his religous beliefs are not for you to judge, God will judge us all on how we followed his commandments.
Anonymous
August 30th, 2010
3:10 pm
Deep Throat again let me repeat Glenn Beck inserted religion into this at his Rally last Saturday.
It is fair to go there and question why he tries to make mainstream Evangelical right-wingers people think he is a Christian!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel
August 30th, 2010
3:11 pm
You gotta love this picture of POTUS. I’d say this rates up there with Dukakis looking like Rocky the Flying Squirrel while riding in a tank and John Kerry doing his best Bugs Bunny impersonation wearing that silly bunny suit:
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Mick
August 30th, 2010
3:12 pm
I thought it would be easier for a wealthy man to enter through the eye of a needle than to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Scout
August 30th, 2010
3:12 pm
Doggone/GA @ 3:08
He’s talking about Jews and “Gentiles”.
P.S.
The “Spirit” has to do with everything !
5Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
Anonymous
August 30th, 2010
3:13 pm
He throws stones at Obama’s religious view so it is fair game to take at look at his.
If you were in court the minute an Attorney inserts subject it is open for discussion by the opposing side! Glen Beck started all of this. It is fair to now talk about it. He should have kept his big fake mouth closed as to who was and was not a Christian, seeing as how Mormons and Christians have two different gospels and tenets of faith!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award", much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel
August 30th, 2010
3:13 pm
I looked at the picture again. Is that a girl’s bike he’s riding?
Deep throat
August 30th, 2010
3:15 pm
Anonymous, I have my concerns about obamas religous staus but I am not judging him for that is for God to do, you are obsessed because Glenn Beck has a different political view than you have, perhaps you feel inferior in debating him on the topics if the economy, job growth in America or lack of jobs, or debating obama care.
@@
August 30th, 2010
3:15 pm
Too bad Bruno’s not here…he’d tell EVERYONE what a crummy Christian, I am.
Let’s give it up for Arne Duncan.
Education secretary says schools have been lying to children and parents–The Hill
“As a country we’ve dummied down standards. We’ve reduced them due to political pressure and, we’ve actually been lying to children and parents telling them they’re ready when they’re not,” Duncan said on Sunday during ABC’s “This Week”.
Arne goes on to say that teachers’ unions aren’t to blame. My question is….what other kind of political pressure is there?
Mick
August 30th, 2010
3:16 pm
What are we back in junior high? You can find funny pics of every president, to each his own.
Scout
August 30th, 2010
3:19 pm
For those of you who think the Trinitarian concept came 300 years after Christ. All that happened at that point was that the early church fathers rejected the false doctrine of those who did not believe in the Trinity and the Diety of Christ :
Luke 3:22
“and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
Jefferson
August 30th, 2010
3:19 pm
Don’t confuse the US gov’t with the bible, its the gov’t that say the rich will pay the most taxes and they are right because they do. (more in 2011)
Paul
August 30th, 2010
3:20 pm
Anonymous 1:45
Reading your post is like going to the Democratic National Committee to learn what Republicans believe.
“Mormons do not believe in the same Jesus or God.”
Lots of Mainstream Christians (MCs) do not believe in the same Jesus or God as other MCs (think attributes, characteristics, or emphasis).
“You will never see a Cross over their Church or inside of it.”
I read a book by a Mormon on this. Said they view the cross as originating as an instrument of torture and death. Their emphasis is on atonement (Gethsemane thru resurrection) and they emphasize a concept, not a symbol.
“You will find the Mormon Religion under the title cult or different Religions in any Christian bookstore.”
And as Michener noted in that Chesapeake book I just read, a few hundred years ago most mainstream books referred to Negroes as lazy, indolent, etc etc. Prejudices are still prejudices even when held by the majority.
The rest of your numbered points are nonsense. I won’t say lies because you’re probably ignorant.
If you have the ability, you may want to read thru this. It’s not from one of their officials, it was written by one guy giving a lecture. But it’s probably the most thought-provoking all encompassing one I’ve ever read on the topic. It’s called “The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions.”
If you don’t hide behind name changes and pop back up here, I’d love to discuss it with you.
http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2005_Fallacy_of_Fundamentalist_Assumptions.html
Scout
August 30th, 2010
3:21 pm
Jay:
I’ve been gone most of the day so this is in reply to your previous thread:
Just think of the money American taxpayers will have to fork out for an FBI surveillance office across the street not to mention the listening devices planted in the building during construction.
And if you think that is not going to happen, I have some land in Florida to sell you.
Paul
August 30th, 2010
3:24 pm
Bosch
“Episcopalians and Catholics (don’t know about the others) don’t do the whole “saved” thing, so the very people who invented Christianity aren’t Christian, then what’s up?”
Believe it or not, that’s become a regularly-heard expression in our Episcopalian congregation. Then again, that congregation is home to one of the most bigoted anti-Mormons I’ve ever come across. Sincere, well meaning… but ignorant nonetheless.
I’d probably have a heart attack if I found out he’s our very own “Anonymous.”
Mick
August 30th, 2010
3:24 pm
Some people want to flog the teachers union to death, how’s about the parents and ultimately the student?
@@
August 30th, 2010
3:25 pm
Obama’s dilemma
He doesn’t know HOW to come in from the rain?
Tom Middleton
August 30th, 2010
3:27 pm
I’m afraid Glen Beck is and always has been an arch-conservative. And since it’s the tendency of those who love wealth by far the most (as he demonstrates so handily) to skew their religion to support their greed, I say take what he says with a very small grain of salt.
And since Jesus told us to love God first and each other as if they’re us, and that it’s impossible to serve two masters – God AND mammon (wealth) – then the safest approach for any of us who want to believe is to choose our own course and who we believe in carefully.
Beck will always reveal his true religious identity through his politics and these have little to do with the complete Christianity taught by Jesus. Remember what Jesus told the young rich man who came to him wanting eternal life?
“Go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven,” he said, “and come and follow me.” And “your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.“
Now what, young rich Glen? Do you really believe you can get that fat a$$ through the eye of a tiny needle? Somehow I think you believe you can, and won’t that be a rude awakening, speaking of awakenings!
Doggone/GA
August 30th, 2010
3:27 pm
“He’s talking about Jews and “Gentiles”.”
Mormons aren’t Gentiles
Scout
August 30th, 2010
3:27 pm
Paul :
You need to go through the N.T. and read what “the Paul” said about those who reject the Diety of Christ. It had already started back then and it was rejected as “fase doctrine”. Christ was not a created being from the Father. He was One with the Father.
John 1
“1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
Many “groups” including the one we are talking about reject the full Diety of Christ and believe that He was a “created” being. That is false doctrine.
Paul
August 30th, 2010
3:28 pm
One thing that came through from that rally was that there seems to be a large number of (I’ll assume) fundamentalist Christians who don’t really give a fig if Beck’s a Mormon or not.
Progress!!
Oh, and Anonymous…
As far as the Roman Catholic and the Greek Orthodox churches are concerned, you’re just an apostate heretic.
just sayin’….
Doggone/GA
August 30th, 2010
3:28 pm
Sorry, got interrupted – “He’s talking about Jews and “Gentiles”.”
Mormons aren’t Gentiles?
Scout
August 30th, 2010
3:29 pm
Doggone/GA:
If they ain’t Jews ………….. they’re Gentiles.
jt
August 30th, 2010
3:31 pm
“You know that the rulers in this world lord it over their people, and officials flaunt their authority over those under them. But among you it will be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first among you must be the slave of everyone else.
(Mark 10:42-45)
So Obama is my slave?
Joe
August 30th, 2010
3:34 pm
As soon as they get rid of the Muslims, they’ll go after the Hindus. Then the Buddhists, then the Jews, then the Mormons, Quakers, Amish, Episcopalians, Catholics, Presbyterians, Methodists, and on and on.
These right-wing freaks aren’t happy unless their hatin’ on somebody, even if it’s each other.
Bill
August 30th, 2010
3:34 pm
Mormons believe that Jesus Christ was crucified on the cross. They simply prefer to emphasize the risen Lord, not the means of his death. That is why you don’t see crosses on their churches.
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
3:35 pm
“Believe it or not, that’s become a regularly-heard expression in our Episcopalian congregation”
Really? Weird. Never in my days have I heard an Episcopalian talk about gettin’ saved. Which wine to drink with dinner? Yes, that’s almost like prayer, but being, getting, saved. No.
And Paul, was I hallucinating, or did you call someone ignorant? If so, well done.
Joe
August 30th, 2010
3:35 pm
“One thing that came through from that rally was that there seems to be a large number of (I’ll assume) fundamentalist Christians who don’t really give a fig if Beck’s a Mormon or not.”
I’d bet money that 99.99 percent of them didn’t know that Beck was a Mormon.
Liberal Chicks are UGLY
August 30th, 2010
3:37 pm
Are you trying to set a record for the dumbest most nonsensical blog topic of all time??? You and cohort are succeeding in spades.
Who gives a crap, really?
Scout
August 30th, 2010
3:37 pm
Folks ………. this is serious business and I keep coming back to a verse of scripture that solves this whole debate:
Matthew 7
“21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you ……………..”
jconservative
August 30th, 2010
3:39 pm
Jay said – “It’s remarkable how many times we have to relearn that lesson.”
Proof that we ever learned please.
———————
It is 3:00 PM and the postings so far are an unbelievable reflection of 21st century christianity.
There is a reason there are over 33,000 protestant denominations on the planet. The reason is over 33,000 different “interpretations” of the christian bible.
And there are over a thousand “protestant versions” of the christian bible available. It is about to the point where one can find a bible or denomination that teaches about anything one wants to hear.
There are over 700 million protestants scattered among the 33,000 plus protestant denominations. That is an average of about 21 million per denomination. The largest US protestant denomination is the Southern Baptist Convention churches of about 16 million.
There are protestant minister that say Mormons are christians and protestant ministers that say Mormons are not christian.
I have an idea, probably a silly idea, but here goes. Why don’t you let Jesus decide who is a christian?
Oh, and didn’t Jesus caution about being the first to cast stones?
(This sentence is a trap. Who will fall into it?)
Liberal Chicks are UGLY
August 30th, 2010
3:41 pm
This is the subject matter discussed on a sinking ship….
Mick
August 30th, 2010
3:42 pm
**And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you ……………..”*
Final judgement, even the words send a tingle down my spine. The money worshippers and materialists might find it tough going but thankfully its not for me to decide.
@@
August 30th, 2010
3:43 pm
When I’m overwhelmed with the “wisdom” of mankind, I reach for Ecclesiastes.
Everything Is Meaningless
mm
August 30th, 2010
3:43 pm
Who freaking cares?
stands for decibels
August 30th, 2010
3:44 pm
Oh, and didn’t Jesus caution about being the first to cast stones?
Who knows…
http://endeavors.unc.edu/spr2006/feature_05.php
Scout
August 30th, 2010
3:45 pm
jconservative:
You are correct in that Jesus “will” decide:
Matthew 13
24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
jt
August 30th, 2010
3:45 pm
?
Oh, and didn’t Jesus caution about being the first to cast stones?
(This sentence is a trap. Who will fall into it?)
I’ll volunteer for Steny Hoyer.
mm
August 30th, 2010
3:46 pm
Jay,
You would have to get the Bible thumpers all stirred up. They are no better than the Muslims they castigate. Each religion believes their God is real and the other religions God’s are not.
For proof, read the rants from the Bible thumpers on this blog.
Scout
August 30th, 2010
3:47 pm
P.S. to all :
Matthew 21:7 alone means there is false doctrine and false Christianity out there. That should not surprise you.
Matthew 7
“21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Scout
August 30th, 2010
3:48 pm
mm :
“I am the Way the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through Me.”
You will never be able to say I didn’t hear the truth.
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
3:49 pm
Oh Jesus, now Scout is trying to “save” mm. Now, I’ve seen it all.
jt
August 30th, 2010
3:50 pm
In closing,
I respect ALL religions. Anything is better than rotten STATISM.
C.S. Lewis is the man.
godless heathen
August 30th, 2010
3:51 pm
Obama’s dilemma
@@ thanks for the laugh of the day.
Am I a racist to laugh?
mm
August 30th, 2010
3:51 pm
Scout,
Based on your daily postings, you wouldn’t know the truth if it flew up your nose
@@
August 30th, 2010
3:51 pm
Scout:
If I haven’t said it enough, I’ll say it once more. I admire your courage in the face of persecution.
mm
August 30th, 2010
3:55 pm
Oh my, us pagan liberals!
If you wingnuts clowns would quit trying to apply Bible verses to fit your warped ideology on all subject large and small, you wouldn’t get called out on it. Keep your religion at church or at home.
Scout
August 30th, 2010
3:57 pm
@@:
Thank you very much but it’s actually music to my ears ………….
“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”
and ………
“if they hated Me, they will hate you also.”
Got to run for the rest of the afternoon.
Everyone try to be nice.
God bless …………………
Paul
August 30th, 2010
3:59 pm
Anonymous
“The basic message of the Gospel is that the blood of Jesus shed on the Cross paid for the sins of who-so-ever calls upon him and makes him their Lord and Savior. Leaving this major fact out is heresy!”
So, you’ve finally told us an element of what real Christians believe?
That Christians believe in human sacrifice. That the God-but-not-Jesus-God requires torture and blood. That God-but-not-Jesus-God committed suicide to appease himself.
Got it.
Now, what happens to us when we die? Do we get the George Carlin god who calls himself Father (why “Father” anyhow? Why not “Mother” ?) but tortures us forever if we don’t do what he wants? And where did that doctrine come from, anyhow? And does this mean the 99.99 percent of people who died without hearing about Jesus, even without going through that ‘speak and accept’ ritual, get to be the torturees for eternity?
Scout 3:27
I’ve read quite a bit about the council held at Nicea. I’d say some pretty major doctrines were in dispute and settled by majority vote and some were deferred for decades.
Bosch 3:35
“And Paul, was I hallucinating, or did you call someone ignorant? If so, well done.”
Yup, ‘twas I. As I said, reading authoritative statements from people who pull as their source those who attack what they’re talking about kinda gets me…
josef nix
August 30th, 2010
3:59 pm
First off, this thread has been amazingly civil. Congratulations…
I am not myself a Christian and would not therefore presuppose to define who is and who is not a “Christian” or for that matter who is and who is not a “Jew.” Ask a Lubovitcher and a Reconstructionist is not a “real Jew.” Ask Abie Shapiro and he’ll tell you Rachel Leibowitz is not a “good Jew” because she doesn’t keep kosher. Ask John Smith and they’re all Jews. I think much the same can be said for Christians.
When foreigners come here and are so taken by the plethora of brands and that so many Americans are deeply religious and highly sectarian, they often have trouble understanding that this is, itself, the beauty of our freedom of religion. We don’t really have to worry too much about a religious take over for the simple reason there would be way too many contenders.
Those who get their BVD’s in a wad over religion in politics need only look at this particular thread. It will never get too far because those promoting it will fall apart when it comes to who’s going to be the creed of choice…i.e. who are the “real Christians.” And that, IMHO, is a good thing.
TrueBlueMormon
August 30th, 2010
4:00 pm
You people are idiots, there is only one Jesus Christ, we use the King James version of the Bible and our doctrines are closer to what Jesus taught than any other church. Read your Bible !!!
I look forward to the day of standing before the Judgement bar of Christ and comparing my life and how I lived it to anyone.!!!! The only person I have to please and Honor and obey is Jesus Christ and I could give a flying fruit loop what you think of Mormons !!!!
Al Harrington
August 30th, 2010
4:01 pm
Jesus is brother of Lucifer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFZ1jVO3-OE
2nd Nephi 5:21
josef nix
August 30th, 2010
4:03 pm
@@
at 3:43
And so do I! Kinda puts it all in perspective, doesn’t it?
I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help
August 30th, 2010
4:04 pm
@jaybookmanajc,
Did you watch the event or are you dependent on other’s opinion of the event?
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
4:04 pm
“And does this mean the 99.99 percent of people who died without hearing about Jesus, even without going through that ‘speak and accept’ ritual, get to be the torturees for eternity?”
Yeap, Paul, that’s the part that always gets me, I mean, if we are all children of God, then we are all children of God — I have a hard time believing that God just throws you in a lake of fire for all eternity if you piss him/her off.
Paul
August 30th, 2010
4:04 pm
Hey! Where’d Anonymous go? I want answers!
Were Adam and Eve real? Why a rib? Why not an appendix? How does the devil make snakes talk? Who did Adam and Eve’s sons marry? Who created the Devil? Did God make a mistake? If Jesus has the power to save everyone, why can’t the Devil be saved? If he can’t be saved, does this mean the atonement is limited? And I still want to know about that human sacrifice stuff.
If you’re not here, does this mean you’ve gone to confess your sins to a Roman Catholic priest so you can turn from your Protestant apostate state?
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
4:06 pm
Paul,
“How does the devil make snakes talk?”
He’s a Parseltongue! Duh! I’m still bummed about that dead rattlesnake.
I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help
August 30th, 2010
4:06 pm
Wall St falls as economy worries persist…
SHOCKER!
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
4:07 pm
Paul is getting fiesty!!!!
Mongo
August 30th, 2010
4:08 pm
A few posters threw out the phrase “freedom of religion” in this thread. Just curious: in what founding document is the phrase “freedom of religion” contained? Or is it one of those “interpretations” of the Constitution and Bill of Rights we hear so much about?
josef nix
August 30th, 2010
4:09 pm
PAUL
In the book “The Eleventh Commandment” the hero is meeting with the Pope. While waiting he’s contemplating the crosses he sees everyone wearing and wonders that if the Christ were to come back today, of course he would meet the same fate, but would we be wearing little electric chairs?
@@
August 30th, 2010
4:10 pm
godless heathen:
Are you a racist? That all depends…
what would you call me if I preferred one of these to an umbrella?
Cool or coolie?
They say a picture’s worth a thousand words, but racist would not be one I chose to describe you.
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
4:10 pm
Paul,
About that human sacrifice stuff — the story of Abraham and Isaac never sat right with me — I mean, damn, that was torture, and then Abraham decides to go through with it, and then God is all like, “PSYCH!! HAA JOKE, just kidding, but thanks for going along with it.”
I’d be like, “Uh, I’m done with this god.”
josef nix
August 30th, 2010
4:12 pm
MONGO
And interesting point–and I did use the term myself–of course it refers to the separation of church and state. My grandfather always said that the founding documents were more predicated on freedom FROM religion than OF…
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
4:12 pm
“and wonders that if the Christ were to come back today, of course he would meet the same fate, but would we be wearing little electric chairs?”
Oh DAMN! josef that was funny.
Paul
August 30th, 2010
4:12 pm
TrueBlueMormon
“You people are idiots”
You sure you’re a Mormon?!!?
Bosch 4:04
Yeah, doesn’t seem fair, does it? I mean, if the only criteria is when you flamed into existence by the simple act of two people having sex at the right place and time in history…
Hey Anonymous!!!
That reminds me. When I’m born, where did I come from? Not my body, that Spirit thing that Christians talk about. How does that work? Is God there creating little spirits to put in bodies? Or is there already some divinity thing in people? How’d that happen, Someone get too close in the bedroom?
You’re a real Christian, aren’t you? Knows others preach false doctrine and you’ve got it right? So… help me out, here! I’m floundering!
I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help
August 30th, 2010
4:15 pm
Dow Falls 140 Points; Banks, Industrials Slide…
More SHOCKING!!!
larry
August 30th, 2010
4:16 pm
I have put my hands on the screen……………………………
Innnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn the name of the Lawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwd , You are heeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllled.
Now give me some moneyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!
Paul
August 30th, 2010
4:18 pm
Bosch
Aha, that’s it! So… were Adam and Eve Parseltongues, too?
Bosch
“Paul is getting fiesty!!!!”
Nuh-uh. I’ve finally met a real Christian, one who knows why others aren’t real and why he/she is. This is my chance to get answers!!!!
josef nix 4:09
Bosch 4:10
Can’t… stop…. laughing….
I suppose the point is, it’s really, really, really easy to ridicule another’s beliefs. Correctly stated or not. I think people who do are of the same cut as those who resort to the namecalling thing – it makes them feel superior and feel ‘good’ because they’ve exposed ‘evil’ and ’saved’ others.
I think it’s kinda sad -
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
4:19 pm
Paul,
Yeah, and for folks like me who think being gay and all is a borned thing, and if God sent you to hell just cause you was like all gay and stuff, then that just doesn’t make any sense to me because that would imply that God had done gone and messed up with making you gay and all, which ya’ know, God can’t do, cause he/she can’t mess up. Ya’ know?
Paul
August 30th, 2010
4:19 pm
larry
Do you take credit cards?
Paul
August 30th, 2010
4:21 pm
Bosch
That is exactly why so many will not admit to one teensy tiny little bit that being gay or straight is anything other than a choice. Wait… I mean, being gay’s a choice. Straight people were born that way…. wait… to be consistent, didn’t they have to choose to be straight? I mean, if God is fair and all….
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
4:21 pm
Paul,
“Aha, that’s it! So… were Adam and Eve Parseltongues, too?”
Well, they would have to be, right? Oh no. I don’t like snakes, do you think that there is something wrong with me and I’m going to hell?
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
4:25 pm
Paul,
I chose to be straight, but I don’t like snakes, so what’s gonna happen to me?
Pogo
August 30th, 2010
4:25 pm
Why was I moderated at 4:22 Jay? Only thing that could have been censored was the word “Hell” and Bosch used it at 4:21. Maybe its just my inflection of that word!
Bosch, you must have the touch!
JohnnyReb
August 30th, 2010
4:26 pm
I find it disgusting the Left finds fault with the Beck rally. If political, it was in the mind of the observer, not the program.
Beck is political on his radio and TV programs, but this is a man who fulfilled the promise the rally would not be political. Instead, he begged 500,000 people live, and untold numbers on C-Span, to pray on their knees, in front of their children. The Left finds fault in that? I’m not surprised. It seems anything to do with God is only used by the Left when it supports other purposes, like supporting the Ground Zero mosque.
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
4:27 pm
Pogo,
Jay and I have a special relationship.
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
4:28 pm
Pogo,
Did you use the word c o c k tail by any chance without the spaces? Blog God doesn’t like that.
Pogo
August 30th, 2010
4:29 pm
Naw, the real story is that Jay knows that Beck resonates with something big in this country. It doesn’t have so much to do with Beck himself but what has created the Glenn Beck phenomenon. Beck is just a side effect of the unrest that is building in this country. In the big scheme of things, he is nothing but just another opinion, but the fact that his message resonates so well with a very large number of Americans points to something very important. That something is that when confronted with the reality of what progressives/liberals want to do, Americans do not like it. Obama and his “Chicago 3″ (Rham, Axlerod and Jarrett) have made a laughing stock of the American presidency. Pelosi and Reid had already destroyed the credibility of the two houses of congress. Politically speaking ,the alignment and control of the three branches by the progressive/liberals was truly the “Storm of the Century” and we are all going to suffer from it. OF course, so will they. But that wrong will be righted shortly.
North DeKlab Voter
August 30th, 2010
4:30 pm
Now that Obama has saved our economy and everyone who wants a job has one… and a good one at that, and you can’t even find a house to buy ’cause all the ones that were for sale are now sold, it’s a mighty fine time to argue who is Christian and who isn’t.
JohnnyReb
August 30th, 2010
4:31 pm
Pogo @ 4:29 – right on!
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
4:32 pm
Pogo,
“Beck is just a side effect of the unrest that is building in this country.”
Did this “unrest” just start in January ‘09?
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
4:33 pm
“Americans do not like it. Obama and his “Chicago 3″ (Rham, Axlerod and Jarrett)”
If you include Obama in with those three you can have your own Four Men of the Apocalypse (Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rove) like we used to have back in the day…..sigh…..that was fun.
Dan H
August 30th, 2010
4:33 pm
If you want to see how religious Beck’s followers’ are then read their comments on this site http://wp.me/pNmlT-mI which is critical of Beck and his rally. They are completely blind to facts presented to them if they are contrary to their beliefs. And many respects, their views towards others or the country don’t sound very christian. It is scary to see the hold he has over them despite him offering so little substance or truth.
josef nix
August 30th, 2010
4:33 pm
On Mormons…(and no offense here, TrueBlue) It’s not very often I get called a goy..and Unmentionable welcomes the missionaries in but there’s one household rule: DON’T tell them I’m an Indian, for G-d’s sake…
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
4:33 pm
Well, three men and one woman of the Apocalypse.
Pogo
August 30th, 2010
4:35 pm
Now I am getting somewhere. I split the post in two pieces and submitted them. The first paragraph went down in flames. The second one made it. It must have to do with black churches and Jesse, Sharpton and MLK, all of whom were (and are) very good at mixing politics and religion. And the liberals sit and say nothing. No, the problems arise for people like Jay when conservatives dare to mix the two. Therefore, they can be construed as hypocrits. No, they are hypocrits!
josef nix
August 30th, 2010
4:36 pm
POGO
“Beck is just a side effect of the unrest that is building in this country.”
On that point I am in agreement and, showman that he is, he’s playing it full tilt and the press is going along for the ride…
I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help
August 30th, 2010
4:36 pm
D.C. WE HAVE A PROBLEM!!!
WASHINGTON — Government anti-poverty programs that have grown to meet the needs of recession victims now serve a record one in six Americans and are continuing to expand.
More than 50 million Americans are on Medicaid, the federal-state program aimed principally at the poor, a survey of state data by USA TODAY shows. That’s up at least 17% since the recession began in December 2007.
Paul
August 30th, 2010
4:38 pm
Bosch
4:21 and 4:25
Those questions qualify as eternal mysteries. You’re just gonna havta’ wait and ask God.
Or Anonymous, if he/she ever turns up again.
Did I hear something about a bar of judgment or a judgment bar? Is that for Episcopalians to try out different wines and beers and such and decide which ones are good?
larry
August 30th, 2010
4:38 pm
I find it disgusting the Left finds fault with the Beck rally. If political, it was in the mind of the observer, not the program.
How could you miss all the politcially themed t-shirts that people wore?
And they also were on sale just of the grounds of the Lincoln Memorial .
larry
August 30th, 2010
4:39 pm
of the grounds of the Lincoln Memorial .
Off the grounds of the Lincoln Memorial .
Soothsayer
August 30th, 2010
4:40 pm
Here come the Corn Pone Nazis!
Fox News entertainer, former drug addict, and professional weeper Glenn Beck took center stage at the Lincoln Memorial exactly forty-seven years to the day after Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech for a rally dedicated to “restoring honor,” which is tea party code for the otherwise unutterable idea: get that n*gger out of the White House! (despite the attendance of a few African-American shills on the scene).
Beck himself just seems to be following a career arc more than really answering “a call.” The emptiness of his platitudes and the confusion of his ideas shows that he is just flexing his demagogic muscles in a moment when weepy bluster passes for heroism. Ten years ago he was a cringing drunk contemplating suicide. Then he went shopping in America’s Mall of Utopias for something to believe in and found Mormonism, a “religion” dreamed up by an imaginative young man on the agricultural frontier of western New York during an earlier age of ferment which — guess what — coincided with a decade of economic turbulence.
Oops! left that “i” in there and got moderated. Let’s try it again.
Bosch
August 30th, 2010
4:40 pm
Paul @ 4:38 – maybe I can channel my mom. She didn’t like snakes much either. And, she was straight too.