Terrorism strikes outside Nashville, 800 miles from Ground Zero

“They always look at the U.S. as the place where democracy is practiced best.”

Well, we’ll learn those silly foreigners to to think such silly things.

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Those nutjob Baptists, next thing you know they will be burying rape victims up to their shoulders and stoning them to death.

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The Muslims is comin’, the Muslims is comin’. I sure hope old Scout managed to beat them to the high grounds and take charge of the cannons. It’s our best line of defense. Now, if we can just get old Pat Robertson to come down and lead us all in a few rounds of Onward Christian Soldier to help get everyone’s fightin’ spirit stirred up, we might just have a shot at takin’ back this country’s honor.

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From Think Progress

“The incident at Murfreesboro should not be viewed in isolation. Among other recent Islamophobic hate incidents: a pipe bomb was set off at a Jacksonville mosque; a playground at an Arlington, Texas mosque was torched; a brick was thrown through a mosque window in Madera, California; a Nashville mosque was vandalized, among many others.”

The creatures responsible for this are un-American and
un-Christian. If you don’t condemn this, you are as bad as they are.

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ATLANTA — The city of Atlanta reversed course Thursday, agreeing to a consent order from a federal judge that will allow Kingdom First Ministries to begin meeting in its rented building immediately. The city made its decision after Alliance Defense Fund attorneys and allied attorneys filed suit against the city for illegitimately denying the church use of the building. No, the city was not denying muslims so this would not have been a story for Jay and his followers that seem to have a renewed faith in freedom of religion.

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Not saying this could happen here, but 60 minutes recently aired a segment on a Orthodox Christian Sect passed down from Greece, that had been thriving in Turkey for several centuries. However, present day Turkey is mostly Muslim and the town where this church is located is 99.9 percent Muslim. They city passed laws saying no foreign born priests can serve at the church. Since 0.01 of the population there meet that criteria, the present day Priests know their days are numbered and the church will soon be forced to shut down.

For those who say Muslim is a 100% tolerant religion, you are mistaken…not to mention the extremists who are right this second planning attacks to kill “westerners.” Burning this mosque in TN was wrong, but compared to the brutal killings and beheadings of the terrorists, doesn’t seem quite so bad.

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There’s one voice that has been oddly silent that could help out – george w. bush. After 911, he correctly pointed out that islam had been hijacked by “evil doers”. Bush needs to remind his faithful followers again to be tolerant.

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“For those who say Muslim is a 100% tolerant religion, you are mistaken”

There is a huge difference between a tolerant religion…and the ability of the FOLLOWERS of that religion to BE tolerant. This is a tolerant, secular society but no one would be stupid enough to claim we are 100% tolerant.

“Burning this mosque in TN was wrong, but compared to the brutal killings and beheadings of the terrorists, doesn’t seem quite so bad.”

The inability of people to comprehend what they read is amazing. First, no mosque was burnt…only come construction equipement. And just like the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” that isn’t a mosque, neither is this planned building. What part of “They plan initially to build a 10,000-square-foot worship facility on the 15-acre tract, followed later by an activity room, offices, gymnasium, a swimming pool, outdoor athletic fields and possibly a cemetery. ” A “worship facility” is no more a mosque, than a prayer room in a hospital is a church.

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Fortunately we all have Beck working on our behalves now. If he can just restore our country’s honor in time, perhaps that will drive out the evil Muslims and return our nation to the mighty Christian-founded nation that it once was. Then again, there are still a bunch of Democrats here and we know how they will tolerate just about anything — Muslims, Socialists, taxpayers, regulations, … the Constitution.

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Third time’s a charm. My post keeps misappearing.

I’ll wait for the outcome of the investigation before I point fingers as to who was motivated by what.

I will repeat what I’ve said before. Pat Robertson is, in my opinion, off his rocker. I wrote him off a long time ago. Nuttier than a fruitcake.

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I think not.

Was this terrorism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting

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The acts committed were acts of terrorism. Flat out wrong…. Should not happen in this country… but then again you liberals did not think the events at Fort Hood were linked to terrorism….. Or an action of a radical Muslim extremist….. Somehow the term Radical Muslim Extremist is not in your vocabulary …

If you are going to call it, call it both ways…….

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Mick

“Bush needs to remind his faithful followers again to be tolerant.”

Pres Bush got the memo from Pres Obama – the one that says jihadists don’t have anything to do with Islam.

Tea Party Favors

“all I’m sayin’…”

Is what? That we have a constitution and independent courts and we can look at what happens in Turkey or Saudi Arabia or Iran and think, “Whew! I glad I don’t live there!”?

God’s Country

Congratulations! You get the ‘First to Bring in Beck’ Award!

Ummm…. where did he ever say anything about driving out Muslims? Wait… I get it!!! You’re doing the flip side of Pat Robertson to illustrate this kind of thinking permeates our society, right?

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August 30th, 2010
7:52 am

Well said about waiting and I can’t believe that I agree with you…must be the first sign of “The End Times:.

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Doggone/GA

Good morning!

“You DO NOT speak for all “liberals” and *I* for one DID think the Ft Hood shootings were terrorism.”

Which shows, once again, how independent you are from the thinking of so many progressives!

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Sheriff Buford T. Pusser probably already knows who did it,

but a bunch of ATFE goons are in his way.

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Paul,

And a hearty counter-congrats to you for invoking the name of the revered Jon Stewart. Now, did I bring in Beck before or after you brought in FOX, where Beck works. Do check on that for me, won’t you.

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God’s Country

Please go for the BIG picture, here. Stewart was invoked as representative of those who either avoided, or ridiculed the issue of foreign funding. Most people don’t take Stewart seriously. Some do. Same with Beck, except Beck’s detractors seem to take him more seriously than Stewart’s. I also brought in Fox to illustrate the documented way in which it’s not just Stewart, but other cable news shows and entertainers, who default to the “dismiss the topic by ridiculing Fox’ strategy.

Which still leaves the element of ‘foreign funding’ as one more item fueling concern among some and the perception that “The Left” doesn’t want to address it, so there must be something to it.

Care to address that aspect?

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Which political party is it that usually attacks construction equipment, SUV’s, home sites, Honey Baked Ham stores, Burger Kings, et al.

Maybe they figured they would get a twofer this time?

Just sayin…

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Paul’s not a walrus. He’s a hypocrite. Ewww. Walruses are prettier.

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What is another moozlum sect started the fire?

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From the University of the South on Monteagle mountain
at Sewanee Tennessee which was praised by Eleanor
Roosevelt north to Nashville(Music City) home of Bonnaroo
you will find probably one of the most liberal areas in the
country and especially the South. I believe you stated
that the mosque in murfreesboro had existed for years.
The local nutjobs that the media is so adept at ferreting
out for quotes sound atypical of the area.

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The point you make about Turkey, Joe, is that you have no point to make, you turkey.

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Mick

August 30th, 2010
8:12 am

Yes he did, but he also sang about Catholic virgins, too…

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God’s Country

Going from issues to namecalling. Scoreboard!

Jay,

My point it’s one of the many uncertainties people hear. They have a general misunderstanding of much of Islam, or they have an overriding view of it through 9-11 and the wars we’re involved in. Then along comes some of the leaders of the mosque who say ‘if we can’t get the money ourselves, Muslim countries will pay for it’ and they make the leap to spearheading an ideological takeover.

The problem on accepting funding from foreign sources has to do specifically with Iran. My understanding is, given how the US government has classified that country, accepting funds emanating from that country would likely be a problem. A few news stories in mainstream media could raise the issue and at the same time tie in how, say, Christian groups routinely have missionaries, aid programs, chapel construction projects, etc in many foreign countries with no attempt to get into their local politics. But people hear these quotes from ABC or read them in newspapers, then instead of even a brief news report regarding legality or importance, hear a dismissal and ridicule of their confusion, so they conclude, “hmmm…. must be something there.”

Again, I was not stating a case for what is. I was making a case for how some take their fears and concerns to the next level.

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“In fact, I still don’t. What point are you attempting to make with that information?”

I’m glad it isn’t just me that didn’t see any point to that post.

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“unlike your name-calling…”

“you’ll get your answer there…idiot.”

Pot, meet kettle

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From ostracizing the Puritans, to black-balling the Jews, to marginalizing the filthy Irish Catholics, our great country has a proud history of religious bullying and terroristic threats toward wierdO religions.

76-year old Bob Shelton and his backward idiot hillbilly friends are likely very proud of participating in a\American traditions.

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Why are we worried about foreign funding of mosques and churches, thanks to the Supreme Court we can have foreign funding of our elections.

Which one is scarier ?

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“Obama, Dems got 88% of employee contributions from ABCCBSNBC… ”

Real shock there, huh.

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Palin fan

August 30th, 2010
8:31 am

Where is your town?

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“Obama says he ignored Beck rally…”

I guess he’ll ignore the November election results as well.

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First off, Robertson is not nuts, unless it is of the crazy like a VERY wealthy fox variety.

He is a sleazebag that preys upon the prejudice and ignorance of this sheep. And has been for a very long time. He has said so many repugnant, bigoted things that he and Ann Coulter could go toe to toe.

Like his many monied cousins, including Jerry Falwell and others, the fact that these repulsive charlatans and Talibaptists are ENORMOUSLY popular among the faithful zealots in this country should tell one pretty much what they need to know about this “flock”.

And ironic that this event took place in Tennessee, yes?

Home of the vaunted right wing heroes, James Adkisson and the “Klannish” Lt. Governor…

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Haywood

“our great country has a proud history of religious bullying and terroristic threats toward wierdO religions.”

I’d say it’s a recurring theme – ignorant people discriminate against those who are different. But what makes our country great is eventually those attitudes die away. Sure, someone new comes along to take their place, but the cycle of overcoming ignorance continues. That’s what makes our country different from some other countries.

Morning, Bosch!

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Pretty absurd stretch from a trained journalist to claim that a crime in Tennessee proves that opposition in New York is really wannabe terrorist bigots.

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There was a quote going around last night where Obama said he couldn’t go around with his birth certificate attached to his forehead so I figured he had been asked about his place of birth. It turns out the question was whether or not he was a Muslim and that’s how he answered. Is there any doubt about just who wants to keep this birth certificate story simmering?

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Is this one of the “new” ideas coming from the hate baggers?

“All we need to do to fix the economy and get people back to work is hate on Muslims?”

At least it’s somewhat new, there’s that…

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G’morning, AmVet

Pat Robertson’s of the same generation as my dad. Dad spoke of talking to a guy during his training during WWII. Bunch of guys were talking about their backgrounds and someone asked the guy what his dad did. He replied, “He’s a con man.” Got asked, “What do you mean?” and he said he made a living by running various cons against people. Then he discovered evangelical ministers and became one of them. Said he made more money at it than he’d ever made in his life.

Not to disparage religion, here. Just the con men who use whatever they can to prey off others.

‘course, those Wall Streeters have taken it to a whole new level…..

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Hi Paul! It’s Monday, have you heard?

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off topic

Hey, RW-(the original)

Catch any of the Little League World Series? Gonna have to work on name pronunciation for some major leaguers in a few years -

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Bosch!

No, I hadn’t. I don’t even get the memos any more. But I did write down the instructions for the secret handshake…

Monday? Gotta check the calendar… Librul Day? Loony Lib? Conservative? Neo-con? I gotta get a new calendar!

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When are they going to start locking up these @ssholes on TV that incite this type of behavior?

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Paul!

I said you’re not a walrus. That’s not name calling. That’s name un-calling.

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Jay B @ 8:47,

Sure I’ll revise it to what you cut and pasted which is pretty much the same as my readers digest version as long as the next thing in your sequence is the birth certificate quip.

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I’m sure the rightwingers are enjoying the fruits of their fear-mongering.

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Jay, it used to be called vandalism. You know hoodlums vandalize construction equipment all the time. This construction equipment just happened to working at a mosque location. I wouldn’t be so quick to PREJUDGE the motives of the vandals until all the facts are in.

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God’s Country

Thanks. So, I’ve been promoted from Egg Man, eh? Cool – coo coo ka choo -

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And Murfreesboro is now a suburb of Nashville? Nashville must be bigger than Atlanta now.

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“All sane individuals, despite their political leanings, agree that Pat Robertson is a total nut case. The problem is that there seem to be enough other nut cases to keep him on the air.”

Hey! Isn’t it time for a MediaMatters-organized sponsor boycott to silence him?

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Granny – how do you get text you post to be bold? As in your 7:36 post.

It won’t bold for me even if I copy and paste.

I hope you have a good answer; if not I may have to join the crowd who thinks you are Cynthia Tucker.

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I don’t care if they never build a mosque in this country. It is a perverted religion anyway and I would hate to see it spread in the United States. Then you will be talking terrorism for sure.

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JB, your point is valid, but you had me (not really) until you suggested discrimination is “un-American”? maybe in south America. “discrimination” is as American as war-mongering. I know we (and the wretched refuse, and huddled masses, et al – even Muslims) would like to think otherwise, but unlike Sam Cooke, I “know much about (American) history”. the fact that Pat Robertson is the “brain” for some Americans says it all. all bets are off. and as the saying goes; “if if’s and buts were cherries and nuts, what a wonderful Ramadan we’d have.”

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Jay B,

I said Obama brought up the birth certificate.

In your cut and paste Williams started by saying “American born Christian” and after that was answered he said a fifth of the people thought Obama was Muslim with no mention of birthplace. I don’t have a transcript, but where you ended your cut and paste you’re suggesting that Obama answered the Muslim question, that didn’t mention birthplace, with the quip about not being able to go around with his birth certificate attached to his forehead.

So Obama’s answer to whether he was a Muslim was to bring up his birth certificate. In your cut and paste he could have answered the first question with that response and you could say Williams brought it up, but not in response to the second question. Unless you’re just saying Obama is slow and then I might agree with you.

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Reb,

What you want in bold, press the shift and whatever that symbol is next to the “m” – I think it’s the “less than” – then put a lower case “b” then close it with the “greater than” sign — then at the end of the phrase you want bolded do the same thing, except in front of the “b” put a / – it’s the lowercase under the “?”

hope that helps.

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Like Pat Robertson funded Charles Taylor in Liberia. Google it

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I think it’s the “less than”

Like so many things: it depends which side you’re on.

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One thing that has always been rather hard to explain…… all “progressives” are stuck on separation of church and state. In the Muslim world, the church is the state. Christianity is the enemy in most instances where evil people like Pat Robinson have no place but never any criticism of people like these ayatollahs who run their country with an iron hand and evoke terror on it’s female inhabitants. How do you get off justifying one and demonizing another?

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Johnny Reb,

You bold a word, phrase, sentence, or passage by using standard symbols surrounding the word bold. I will illustrate it here, except that you should note that there should be no space between the symbols and the part being bolded. I am using the spaces so that the illustrated word is not automatically converted to bold.

words bolded =

words bolded

BTW, that slash in the bracketing at the end is crucial. It tells the system to stop the bolding.

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Jay knows the intention of those that torched some construction equipment and that is to terrify Muslims.

Could have been many other things, but there is much missing information. Such as did the equipment set on fire belong to the muslims or to a contractor?

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call it…, agreed. there is a hazy line between “legitimate source of news” and “entertainer” (see everything from the Daily Show to Glenn Beck), but for my money, Pat Robertson is the ultimate clown, only I am not entertained by theocratic clowns. Beck and O’Reilly (and Olberman and Maddoff) might produce a chuckle every now and again, but they don’t have any gods behind them. more accurately, like Islamic terrorists, Robertson and his minions “believe” they have some divine mandate or authority to spew hatred. let’s face it, a clown (or entertainer) is behaving as such for attention – when “salvation” becomes the motive, watch out.

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NORMAL!! How cute!

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Reb,

try this

http://www.htmlcodetutorial.com/quicklist.html

scroll down to “bold”

use that symbol at the beginning of what you want bolded – at the end of what you want bolded type a / in front of the b.

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Paul…About 50% of Americans believe that Obama and his Minion congress are nut cases…can you tell where there may be and organization to silence them…just wondering.

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Jay, excuse me but Murfreesboro has never been a suburb of Nashville.

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AND Reb,

If you click on the code, it will give you an example of how to use it.

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kayaker71, very simple, we live in the United States of America and as such we the People (theoretically) answer to the Constitution, and not the Koran or Bible or Torah. this means, what happens in Saudi Arabia or Iran or Pakistan is not our concern. the very fact that Pat Robertson is “free” to preach hate, distrust and bigotry is evidence that we are not as bad as the Islamic theocracies you cite. if a woman declares herself a Muslim she knows the rules. this is a harsh, cynical, theo-Darwinist approach, but it is the ultimate reality. when/if American Muslims break the law, they should be arrested and prosecuted (just as Christians who broke the law; Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh, the Hectare militia, etc.). in short, it is NOT afainst to law to build a mosque or practice Islam in the USA, whereas it is against the law in Iran or Saudi Arabia.

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“Terrorism or arson? Two completely different things”

No necessarily. Arson can be a tool of terrorism.

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Pay attention cons:

“OK, I guess Williams does say “neither” in the second question so maybe I’ll give you this point.”

This is admitting you are wrong.

Jay does it too.

It is called intellectual honesty.

Now give it a try for real debate.

The President is a American Christian.

That is the truth.

Stop lying.

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“The silence is deafening”

You don’t actually know that. Maybe the criticisms are just not being reported. And how many Christians do you know about that criticized Timothy McVeigh AND were reported?

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Terrorism is an act to invoke terror — plain and simple.

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“Terrorism is an act to invoke terror ”

And it does not always mean killing someone.

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kayaker71, another great part (in theory) about being American is; we don’t have to condemn the actions of others (especially abroad). I know the neo-con need to have America serve as the world’s policeman and all-around moral compass calibrater makes for good election-year copy, but the truth is, if John Q. Public (or John Q. Islam) wants to remain silent in the face of all of the grave injustices of the world, he is “free” to remain silent. in fact, I would argue that sometimes, in the face of injustice, silence is golden (only those suffering injustice can make things right). anything else is unnatural (see: religion).

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This sounds more like a case of ARSON, than terrorism…

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Terrorism (or hate crimes) are abominable in all their forms. Thank heavens no one was hurt.

The religious right would be wise to try to start defending religious freedom. I pretty much put Islam (any but the most liberal sects) and Southern Baptists in the same category: generally pretty wrong – headed. But I’m not plotting to burn any Southern Baptist churches.

Heaven forbid if we had Muslims suggesting people start trying to stop church building. What ever happened to the apparently antiquated Southern (and American) notion of leaving religion out of things?

Pat Robertson must not be a Southerner. (Not sure he’s American either, at least based on principles.)

All that said, I’m not excited about the WTC mosque any more than anyone else. Legal? Yes. Well advised? No.

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Chris D., and what does “arson” sound like, as opposed to terrorism? maybe we (including JB) should reserve comment until the necessary investigations are completed (ATF, FBI, Murfeesboro FD/PD, etc.)? and, which type of arson are you suggesting; a deliberately set fire (like the one in Cobb County)? insurance fraud? or, “arson” set by an anti-Muslim criminal?

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Presbo to Stephanopolis, “McCain has not brought up my Muslim faith”.

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Jay..9:39…It is obviously a good start…just 300,000,000 to go.

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“the number of Musks in the USA cannot exceed the number of churches and synagogues in Saudi Arabia, Pukianstan, and other countries where women are required to dress like bee keepers”

Why do you think we would be better off if we were MORE like them?

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Dog..9:43..Tim Mcveigh was one guy with a couple of helpers…Islam and the Muslims are just a little bit bigger.

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Who from the left would like to acknowledge the vandalism perpetrated on churches after Prop 8 failed? Was hate involved? Bigotry?

Monday in Utah, home to the Mormon church, the windows of five Latter-day Saints wardhouses were shot out with a BB gun. Police, however, did not openly link the damages to Prop 8 supporters.

“A lot of opinion has generated that this is in connection with Prop 8,” Layton Utah Police Lt. Quinn Moyes said. “We aren’t making that connection yet.”

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/479857.aspx

Don’t know whatever came of that investigation, alls I know is that Layton Police weren’t as quick as jay to condemn.

Another:

This incident comes just days after unknown vandals desecrated a statue of Jesus at Saint Ann’s Catholic Church in the diocese of Charlotte, North Carolina.

The statue was discovered decapitated and covered in graffiti. In addition, windows in the school building were broken and vulgar graffiti was sprayed inside the church.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/two_u.s._catholic_churches_in_vandalized_in_one_week/

Fair and balanced, jay…fair and balanced.

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Dont you just love the patriots who did this act. Sort of reminds you of the Klu Kluxers doesn’t it. You know they do their best work in the dark under cover of night when no one can see them. It justs brings back many memories so we all can recollect. So what’s next? Are they going to hang someone and have the family come out and watch like in the olden days. Can someone tell me where to get one of those pointy hats so I can be ready when they skulk through my neighborhood.

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Paul..not being mean,but… NO Shyte….November… OH YEA BABY…IT’S going to be sweet.

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Did y’all see this? Last sentence says it all…

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/30/taliban-using-mosque-controversy-to-recruit.html

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“Nothing runs like a camel” just doesn’t have the same ring to it as “Nothing runs like a Deere”, now does it?

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I’ll wait for the outcome of the investigation before I point fingers as to who was motivated by what.

Wise words. As usual, we all go jumping to conclusions. It could very well be an act of terrorism and if so, should be punished accordingly. There also is such a thing as a person who commits arson for thrills. At this point, we don’t know. There’ll be plenty of time to act, once the facts are in.

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BADA BING

August 30th, 2010
7:37 am
Don’t jump to conclusions, FBI statistics show that the majority of such fires are set by members of the congregation. The last similar fire in the news was set by a Muslim that attended the mosque.

Bada, in case you missed it, someone asked you to support your claim. I would like to know your source for this info as well. I suspect it was actually a vivid imagination and not factual.

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Some people have tried to cut the baby in half regarding the proposed Islamic Center/mosque in New York City, arguing that sure, technically, Muslims have the “right” to build where they want to build, but they’d be more “sensitive” if they moved the project elsewhere. But as the Murfreesboro case demonstrates, it’s not really about proximity to Ground Zero and sensitivity is not the cure. It’s about vile and unAmerican discrimination. Such bigotry must be confronted and denounced, not placated.
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Jay, to argue that the GZ Mosque issue is not about sensitivity, I believe, is totally incorrect. That is exactly what it is about: the Imam knows it, NYC knows it, and the majority of the USA knows it. But to your point, this incident in TN is indeed domestic terrorism, without a doubt. While I do not agree with this type of act at all, I can begin to understand the frustration that the TN citizens feel. I can further understand why many people are unable to separate the fact that there are peaceful Muslims in the US from what we see and hear in the news. After all, if one were to list all of the major armed conflicts taking place in the world today, I think you would see that Muslims/Islam is at the center of most of those conflicts.

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Doggone,

McVey happens to be dead. Would you call that the ultimate act of rejection?

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Cut and Run Obama!

Some U.S. troops will remain to support and train Iraqi forces, partner with Iraqis in counterterrorism missions, and protect civilian and military efforts, he said. But he pledged all U.S. troops will be home from Iraq by the end of next year.

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Bosch…Great question and one I am asking myself at times. As for myself and most of the Tea Party people all I can say is we have seen the bad in both( Bush and Obama with dominant congress) and we don’t like what we have seen in either. Hopefully if this does come to pass the conservative movement will be able to bring some form of sanity back to Washington and create an atmosphere where we can look at each other without disdain and remember this is the only boat we have and stop trying to sink it.

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kayaker71,

What a double standard!!! – I accept double-standards exist (especially in religion and politics). in fact, I find it “incredulous” you think the USA has the power to remove “double standards” from humananity.

Have you read “A Thousand Splendid Suns” by Khaled Hosseini? They can’t get away, for the most part. They are born into a culture that demonizes them, puts their life in danger every day. And you call this a religion? – I don’t “call it a religion” beyond the fact that there are lots of religions, and they’re all unnatural and illogical in my book (even the Wiccans). how did the North Vietnamese/Viet Minh “liberate” themselves? How did the Colonists gain “independence” from King George? we mucked this up when we became dependent on oil. otherwise we could go on not caring about how Muslims treat their women. We certainly don’t care how Rawandans treat their women/children. Again, read Andrew Bacevich’s “The Limits of Power”. if we want to be an empire fueled by consumerism; including petroleum, we have to get in bed with some nasty people (Saudi Arabia, warlords in Afghanistan). we used to do it all the time in Central/South America. where was the concern for Catholic nuns murdered by “death squads” the “disappeared” in Chile or Peru?

You demonize Christianity yet you levy no criticism on those who would do the most vile deeds to dominate those around them… – see above, I “demonize” ALL religions.
you justify the blind following of millions of illiterate, uneducated sheep of some goat loving prophet whose favorite companion was a little boy. – see above. I didn’t “justify” Isam – I merely suggested it is no better or worse than ANY faith. and, how to do suggest we “re-program these “blind sheep”? make them Catholics? Jews? Buddhists?
I am not a Christian, BTW, but comparing Christianity to these people is quite a stretch, even for you – really? somebody made a great point last week; the only difference between Islam and Christianity is the fact that Islam is in a state of arrested development (somewhere in the Middle Ages). take a look at the “lifestyles” of some of the pre-reformation Popes (when RC was the sole “Christian” faith. I put no “faith” in any religion, but any Islamic “reformation” must come from within. Maybe Iman Ruaf, or whatever his name is; is the Martin Luther of Islam? Maybe this mosque to be built in lower Manhattan or the mosque that was torched in Tennessee could be the Genesis or Calvary of a more modern Islam (and I am not a Christian, either).

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Dog…Yes you did miss it…I KNOW what I meant…interject what you want if you want to continue looking stupid.

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Big D,

“the conservative movement will be able to bring some form of sanity back to Washington and create an atmosphere where we can look at each other without disdain and remember this is the only boat we have and stop trying to sink it.”

Haven’t you guys said that before? Do you really think the American people will give back complete control to the GOP in four short years?

I personally like not having one party in complete control, but the Democrats, to me, have never been in lock step with one another to really get anything done in the form of an agenda — i.e. the “socialist agenda” etc.

And also, the things the conservatives want, say an end to entitlements, less government, etc. — don’t you think that if the conservatives in Washington were really serious about doing some of these things, that they would have already done them during the 1994 – 2006 years? I mean, Newt is going around screaming about the same old things he wants done, but when he had the chance to do them, nothing.

So, do you really think that if the GOP gets back into power, that they will actually do the things they have roused up in the collective consciousness of the right, or do you think they play you like tools, which we’ve seen countless time again?

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“that they would have already done them during the 1994 – 2006 years?”

that’s always the unanswered question. When they had full control, WHY didn’t they ban gay marriage, ban abortions, ban mosques, deport all the Muslims and hispanics and other illegal immigrants. They had the control, why didn’t they use it?

crickets

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Ya’ know, I really don’t like snakes, I think they are creepy and just the way they moves is just freaky deaky, and granted, rattlesnakes are dangerous and I certainly wouldn’t want to come up on one, but I’m kind of bummed that the escaped rattlesnake from the zoo has been found dead.

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“Terrorism is an act to invoke terror ”

“And it does not always mean killing someone.”

So when the perp is charged, they will be charged with arson or terrorism? Every church burning in the past was arson, just because it was a mosque, this is terrorism? You people are nuts. The perp, if caught, will most likely be charged with arson because the mosque was empty. Had this person done this deed while it was full of worshipers, then you have terrorism. There is a huge difference here.

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JCamp,

I’m nuts because I use the correct definition of a word? OK. I will give you this one caveat — terrorism in its purest definition is the one I gave, but other definitions I have seen, there is usually a political element to the act.

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Repubs didn’t have ‘full control’ 1994 to 2000. Clinton was president.

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Nice Guy,

“Times have changed (for the worse) and the need to slash spending is greater now than it was during that time.”

I agree that times have changed for the worse, but there are alot of people who think that what Obama has done is what needed to be done — some really smart people who study this kind of thing and all.

I hear that we need to slash spending, and I’m curious as to what the GOP intends to slash when they get back their power to do so? Because, so far, I’ve heard nothing about what they intend, but instead a bunch of straw man/red herrings about mosques, gay marriage, and other issues that have absolutely nothing to do with the economy.

They want to cut taxes again, which has proven, with real data and stuff, not to work, but how will we pay off the deficit?

Even John Boehner couldn’t answer this question — how do you intend to reduce the deficit without raising taxes?

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Act of Domestic Terrorism…

Two Dead, Including Bishop, in Shooting at Visalia, CA,. Mormon Church.

A man entered the Visalia, CA, church and asked to speak to a church leader. When directed to the lay bishop who was doing administrative paperwork between services, the attacker shot and killed him.

The victim, 42, leaves behind a wife and six children.

“Great. Just great. Let’s be blunt: What happened over the weekend represents an act of domestic terrorism, directed at peaceful people — many of whom are no doubt American citizens — who want nothing more than to live and worship in peace.”

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Me, I’m all for concealed carry weapons in church by licensed, legal gun owners.

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Thanks for the great puff piece, Jay. I know we are late getting the talking points out. But everyone here is all bummed out trying to think of a good spin on the Beck/Palin rally.

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If this has been posted before, sorry…Update on the “mosque”…

http://www.mediaite.com/online/report-shots-fired-at-murfreesboro-mosque-after-alleged-arson/

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“Had this person done this deed while it was full of worshipers, then you have terrorism”

IF the goal was to stop the building of the center in the first place, it would still be terrorism…but yes, if caught they will be charged with arson. So? That was the ACT committed, that doesn’t mean it couldn’t have terrorism as the reason behind it.

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Was it terrorism (or just fascist political theatre) when pro-jihadi Leftists flung molotovs at peace officers at the San Francisco Chronicle building?

Leftist Quislings are encouraged to Enter the “Leftist-fascist Hall of Shame” and recall what hate “arson” really looks like.
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

Own it, Quislings for Islamo-supremacism.

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This was more likely a “false-flag” operation by pro-mosque Leftist provocateurs– as a pretext to justify Pelosi’s shrieks for investigations of legitimate dissent by patriotic Americans.

I’ve been waiting patiently all month for the ACLU to denounce the “chilling effect” on the 1st Amendment exerted by Pelosi’s hamfisted attempt to intimidate the American citizenry and inhibit folks from freely expressing their dissent.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news /114773-pelosi-new-yorkers-should-decide-in-ginn ed-up-mosque-controversy

But it’s still August, maybe they’re all still on vacation over at ACLU-HQ?

I’m sure they’ll all be chiming in on Pelosi’s “MCCARTHYISM!” any time now, you betcha.

*crickets chirp*

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HD, I find your feelings expressed @ 10.58 more or less what I expected–and entirely in line with my own.

I will say that the film disappointed me just a bit, I wish they’d at least paid lip service to presenting Monsanto’s case for this incredibly aggressive brand of patent enforcement.

(I missed a few minutes, so maybe there was something in there, but I didn’t see any, and that hurt their cred a bit. I say that because I had also heard Percy Scheider interviewed on NPR, maybe a year ago, in a more balanced report—and I was still plenty furious at what he’d been subjected to at the hands of Monsanto.)

No, it’s not terrorism, but like you said it is pretty close. And given that this is happening in Canada, where presumably you have a more representative form of government, I’m assuming the company is likely even more brutal with what they call the “seed pirates”, here in the good ol’ USA.

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“Yellow journalism or the yellow press is a type of journalism that presents little or no legitimate well-researched news and instead uses eye-catching headlines”

Sounds like a perfect description of Fox News.

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Was it terrorism (or just fascist political theatre) when Leftist thugs split an innocent American woman’s head open with a brick in Georgetown during their (so-called) October rebellion?
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/20/anarchy-in- georgetown/

Leftist Quislings are encourage to Enter the “Leftist-fascist Hall of Shame” and recall what hate “arson” really looks like.
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

Own it, Quislings for Islamo-supremacism.

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When will Bloomberg publicly apologize to the secular Muslim NY Cabbie and his family for inciting the pro-jihad mosque vigilantee (Michael Enright) to moby violence?

It’s past time Quislings took a little ownership for Bloomberg’s orchestrated Islamo-supremacist advocacy campaign. Afterall, Bloomberg stands to profit handsomely from his Dubai sharia banking investments. How do you say “quid pro quo” in Arabic?

What gets lost in all Bloomberg’s recent demogoguery is that the Muslim cabbie victim is himself a hateful hater, bigot, inauthentic, xenophobic, neanderthal– at least, if you go by the criterion set out by Bloomberg (and his Quisling toadies in the media): Opposing the mosque is “Islamophobia”– period. Right?

As an anti-jihadist, however, I’m inclined to observe that the Muslim cabbie’s pretty much consonant in his opinion of the Cordoba mosque with a super majority (70%) of his fellow Americans.

That Bloomberg’s proteges will be disappointed to discover the opinion of this Muslim cabbie apostate tells you all you need to know about the two “sides” of this debate.

Own it, Quislings for Islamo-supremacism.

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Looks like mike has a new sock-puppet.

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“And if they had harmed people they would have been charged with whatever level of harm occured, not with terrorism. That doesn’t mean that bodily harm wasn’t terrorism”

If If If all you want. That did not happen. The charges “if” would be according to whomever committed the crime.

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“That did not happen”

and? The arson DID happen.

“The charges “if” would be according to whomever committed the crime.”

The charges would be on whatever crime was committed. “whomever” did it would not enter into it. And it isn’t even necessary to prove WHY they did it. The only things necessary for proof to convict is: who did it, what they did, when they did it, and how they did it.

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Obama should call for an investigation into just who funded the Beck rally this weekend. Worked for Pelosi!

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Culture of dependency: Record # of Americans now on govt TIT!

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What, in all of Beck’s and Palin’s message Saturday was offensive to you? Set aside personalities and egos long enough to look at the message. What didn’t you like about what was said?

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“The charges would be on whatever crime was committed. “whomever” did it would not enter into it. And it isn’t even necessary to prove WHY they did it. The only things necessary for proof to convict is: who did it, what they did, when they did it, and how they did it.”

Yes, the charges would depend on the person. If an inside job for insurance, that’s arson. If another Muslim from the same sect, still arson. If some kid playing with matches, arson. If some redneck that hates muslims, arson with the addition of a hate crime charge or terrorism (according to the agencies involved). If some group of terrorists, terrorism. That’s how it works. Go ask a DA.

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Leftists support the Islamo-supremacists’ desecration of Ground Zero because they hate America and have formed an “Unholy Alliance” with Islamo-supremacists.
http://www.amazon.com/Unholy-Alliance-Radical-Islam-American/dp/089526076X

In contrast, authentic (traditional) liberals fight against sharia law advocates. For that reason, The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), which is representing a New York City firefighter who survived the 9-11 terrorist attacks, said today’s vote by the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission is deeply offensive to many of the victims and families of the 9-11 tragedy. The ACLJ plans to file an amended petition and request for an injunction in the coming weeks focusing on the fact that the mosque developers do not own the entire proposed site and do not possess the legal right to proceed with demolition or construction. In addition to urging the court to put any demolition/construction on hold, the ACLJ will request that the New York State Public Service Commission, which has regulatory authority of any disposition of land owned by a public utility, conduct a required environmental review detailing the impact that this project would have on the neighborhood character and historical resources.
http://www.aclj.org/TrialNotebook/Read.aspx?ID=991

Sharia law advocacy is un-Constitutional, and Americans understand that. No wonder Leftist-fascists support it.

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Doggone/GA@7:48am..re:comprehension ..
I am afraid together with the brainwashing for 8 years and the slide of education from the enlightened pre Reagan era to the dumb strangling one we have now is not not going to make the situation any better

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And from my own experience, I’ve noticed that 30 minutes is about as long as you need to be exposed to [Round-Up].

I doubt I’ve ever actually been out spraying anything for much longer than 30 minutes (more to do with my lack of gardening diligence than any safety issues) so I can’t say that I’ve noticed such an effect, myself.

That said, I can believe the farmer in the film who said he’d been told by a manufactuerers’ rep that Round-Up was so safe to use you could drink it. Say anything to close a deal, right?

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kayaker 71
August 30th, 2010
11:33 am

What, in all of Beck’s and Palin’s message Saturday was offensive to you? Set aside personalities and egos long enough to look at the message. What didn’t you like about what was said?

THOSE that speak from a lack of knowledge are not worth anyone’s time!

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The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ)

Just to bring things full circle, that’d be Pat Robertson’s legal henchmen.

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Normal

August 30th, 2010
11:38 am

Yes, I’m glad you are not jumping to conclusions, like Jay did with his original column.

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Beck’s christ has blonde hair, blue eyes, and drives a beemer….

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123 days until the Democrats’ 2011 tax increases hit American families and small businesses

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Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, a member of the Saudi Royal family, is the second largest stockholder of Fox News Corp. as pointed out by Jon Stewart last week. Well, isn’t that interesting!

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Normal:

Shots fired? Tennessee’s squirrel hunting season began August 28th. It was kicked off by “Free Hunting Day”.

Any media reporting on the coincidence? Likely not.

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Bozo quotes worth noting….

“The Boston police acted stupidly”

“We are suing over the AZ law”.

“The ground zero mosque question? I don’t comment on local issues”

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This is why we must stop this conservative Republican trash. They (conservative Republican’s) are the real terrorist-in-training. We make up boggy men to try and scare people into doing something that is not in their best interest. If the next time one of these morrons starts complaining about a zoning issue in New Your City we throw Bull Stuff at him or her they might get the idea. STOP THIS NOW.

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I smile everytime I think of squirrels running across your patio with tomatoes from your garden in their mouths. I don’t have any edible tomatoes, just plants, but the squirrels make frequent raids on my bird feeder.

One is a brown and white fox squirrel who is much bigger than his grey brothers. I wouldn’t mind taking a shot at him. Firearms here are too big to shoot at squirrels. Besides, I couldn’t hit the side of a barn if I tried.

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Dusty, you said ” I couldn’t hit the side of a barn if I tried.”

Try standing inside the barn…

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Dusty, you said ” I couldn’t hit the side of a barn if I tried.”

Try standing inside the barn…

She might hit the end of the barn, instead.

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“She might hit the end of the barn, instead”

Or the roof!

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This is what sets me, as a Liberal, apart from you Conservative types out there. I factor in what the squirrels, deer, rabbits and birds (even crows) will eat when I plant. They are all Mother Nature’s creatures and I like to take care of them, so I make sure there is enough to go around…and most years I still have some left over for the neighbors.

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“I think by simply not bailing out state after state”

But the GOP leaders in the state are begging for money, so how will that play out you think?

“I also think that the stock market will being to tick up once the Dem are out.”

It already is.

I think corporate America has lost a lot of confidence in this Administration and that is why we are seeing a teetering Dow Jones.

I think that’s an excuse to cover up for their bad business management plans —

“And low term effects of tax cuts have proven to be plentiful, you know by serious economist who use real numbers and stuff.”

By who?

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Damn! I didn’t see Hillbilly’s post before I hit submit.

Oh, by the way, scopes are for wimps. (IW&SH)

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A pellet gun works well in my back yard. No noise, very effective and cheap.

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“But as the Murfreesboro case demonstrates, it’s not really about proximity to Ground Zero and sensitivity is not the cure. It’s about vile and unAmerican discrimination.”

How incredibly presumptuous of you, Jay. Believe it or not, most people don’t care is a Mosque is built, they just don’t want it built there. To disagree with people on this issue is fine, but to associate them with the people who did this in Tennessee is downright insulting. Taking an outrageous opinion or action and portraying it as the mainstream line of thinking of those who have different opinions as you is lazy and childish.

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What the heck’s left of a squirrel after shooting it with a shotgun?

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While Members Suffer, Unions Waste Millions on Political Campaigns

Only a Democrat keeps buying the same kook-aid for the last 50 years and expecting something different than the shaft they have gotten.

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“The economy won’t be sputtering, spending won’t be out of control, unemployment won’t be 10%. Short of a major, party wide scandal, I don’t see this happening at all.”

Nice Guy,

I’m sure you are nice and all, but how do you think the economy got to this point? Are you suggesting it all happened in January 2009?

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Bosch
August 30th, 2010
12:42 pm

“What, in all of Beck’s and Palin’s message Saturday was offensive to you?”

If you don’t mind, I would like to answer that. For me, it was the fact that we need to restore America to traditional values, and to me, that’s insinuating that somehow we have gotten away from that. They are somehow apologizing for America being the way it is — it’s only gotten away from THEIR traditional values, and do not realize that America is not and will not ever again be controlled solely by old rich white guys who own property.

DO YOU CARE TO BACK UP YOU’RE BS?

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John Birch

August 30th, 2010
12:39 pm
why are liberals invariably cowards?

I might ask, why are you so narrow minded, but your question answered that for me. As for cowardly, I served three tour in ‘Nam, was on the beach in Granada before the Grunts, and served as fire support for the doomed SEALs holding the air port in Panama. All and all, I’m 2 for three…How about you?
And yes, I still believe violence is the last refuge of the incompetent,
how about you?

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Normal:

This is what sets me, as a Liberal, apart from you Conservative types out there. I factor in what the squirrels, deer, rabbits and birds (even crows) will eat when I plant. They are all Mother Nature’s creatures and I like to take care of them, so I make sure there is enough to go around…and most years I still have some left over for the neighbors.

I go above and beyond the call.

I pick the produce form ‘em and leave it some distance outside the garden. It’s supposed to act as a lure. I’m convinced that if wildlife could vote, they’d vote Democrat. Always wanting more of what’s mine.

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I’m here,

It’s my opinion, It’s what I believe to be true, so no, I don’t need to justify what I believe to you.

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HDB
August 30th, 2010
12:47 pm

We disagree! Is that a problem for you?

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Bosch
August 30th, 2010
12:48 pm

I’m here,

It’s my opinion, It’s what I believe to be true, so no, I don’t need to justify what I believe to you.

THOUGHT SO!

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I’m here,

“THOUGHT SO!”

Can you honestly not tell when someone is posting their opinion?

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I’m against the ground zero mosque, but not against them anywhere. Like most people. Whoever did this is a very scummy person (or people).

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OOOwww HillBilly,

A .20 rat shot?? RAT SHOT? I am trying hard not to think of politicians and rat shot. But it just won’t go away. Where’s a rat shot when you need it??

No more lunch time fun. Later……I gotta go shoot the barn..

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People in Clayton County live with it every day. It is just a way of life down here.

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No more lunch time fun. Later……I gotta go shoot the barn..

Why do I get the feeling that the safest place with Dusty and a gun is in front of her?

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Funny how many of the libs here assume the mosque attacj was perpetrated by a Republican or a Christian. Read the news people…70% of Americans are opposed to the so-called ground zero mosque according to polling, so one of two things is true…

1) Voters are now 70% republican, and so the 2010 elections will be a massacre, or;
2) Lots of Democrats and/or liberals are opposed to the mosque as well.

And, as stated in one of the early posts on this topic, a recent mosque arson here in metro Atlanta turned out to be perpetrated by a member of the mosque’s own congregation.

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John Birch, you know what else Somalia, East Timor, Iraq, Iran and Pakistan have in common? None of the countries you mentioned has ever attacked the United States. Don’t even try with Somalia, because Papa Bush “introduced” American troops to Somalia in ‘92 (just before he left office).

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HDB
August 30th, 2010
12:59 pm

We disagree. Why did they set a time limit? Certainly since you know all, you know why?

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Jay, calling this “terrorism” is a bit premature isn’t it? Even for YOU! NOBODY knows who did this. It may have been a bunch of kids who don’t even know what is going there for all we know. Maybe it’s a disgruntled former employee of the construction company. It could even be a member of the muslim group trying to stir up trouble and raise donations to build the thing.

As stated earlier, I don’t remember you calling other small scale acts by MUSLIMS terrorism.

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Senior executives, on-air personalities, producers, reporters, editors, writers and other self-identifying employees of ABC, CBS and NBC contributed more than $1 million to Democratic candidates and campaign committees in 2008, according to an analysis by The Examiner of data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.

The Democratic total of $1,020,816 was given by 1,160 employees of the three major broadcast television networks, with an average contribution of $880.

By contrast, only 193 of the employees contributed to Republican candidates and campaign committees, for a total of $142,863. The average Republican contribution was $744.

Now that’s “fair and balanced”.

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By contrast, only 193 of the employees contributed to Republican candidates and campaign committees, for a total of $142,863. The average Republican contribution was $744.

Maybe news organization employees are a little smarter than the average slug and can see through the BS being slung by the Republicans.

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Disgusted

“Maybe news organization employees are a little smarter than the average slug…”

I guess calling so-called journalists an example of a much higher intelligence than the “average slug”, means you are an Albert Einstein in inteligence, but, only mediocre in name calling. LOL

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Obama pretends to champion small biz. Ignored mom-and-pop fishermen’s flotilla on Martha’s Vineyard.

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I’m Here From The Government And I’m Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
1:25 pm
“HDB
August 30th, 2010
12:59 pm

We disagree. Why did they set a time limit? Certainly since you know all, you know why?”

Yes, I do; it was the METHOD that the Republicans used to pass the legislation. The reconsiliation process allows for budgets to be passed with a simple majority…but issues of taxation are limited to a ten-year window!! Republicans forced the budgets through reconsiliationto get what they wanted…the tax breaks! They knew that they would have to face this issue in 2010….but they lost power! It was a gamble that they LOST!!

Screwed the pooch on that one!!

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HDB
August 30th, 2010
3:06 pm

I’m Here From The Government And I’m Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
1:25 pm
“HDB
August 30th, 2010
12:59 pm

We disagree. Why did they set a time limit? Certainly since you know all, you know why?”

Yes, I do; it was the METHOD that the Republicans used to pass the legislation. The reconsiliation process allows for budgets to be passed with a simple majority…but issues of taxation are limited to a ten-year window!! Republicans forced the budgets through reconsiliationto get what they wanted…the tax breaks! They knew that they would have to face this issue in 2010….but they lost power! It was a gamble that they LOST!!

Screwed the pooch on that one!!

HDB, are you GG in disguise? Cause you’re memory is very selective when it comes to facts. You’re half right. The half you failed to mention or understand, is the fact that the Democrats blocked the tax cuts. How did you forget that important factor?

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HDB
August 30th, 2010
3:48 pm

More kook-aid flavors! LOL You do realize a little debt when it comes to the Government is a GOOD THING. A Government should NEVER have a surplus! You know why?

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It’s an inside ruse. The ultra progressive social justice Christians at the school of theology at Sewanee: The National Episcopal University were probably behind the anti Mosque forces. They want Murfreesboro to look like a bunch of redneck white bigots so that they can announce to the world how loving they are by begging the Muslims to all move to Sewanee and convert All Saints Chapel into an INterfaith Mosque.

Sewanee is worried that if they don’t do more to reach out to the muslim community in tennessee, that Jesus will tell donors to stop giving money to Sewanee.

Even Sewanee’s greatest living alumnus can’t bring himself to tell us what he knows about Sharia Law, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Koran’s commandments to rid the earth of Christians and Jews who don’t convert to Islam.

After Jon Meachamm ruined Newsweek, he still hides the truth about Islam. He’s supposed to be one of the smartest people in America. Pulitzer prize and all the books, but he ruined newsweek. ha ha

What does he know about what is coming our way when he hides the truth about fascist islam’s plan for us?

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/28/meacham-let-reformation-begin-at-ground-zero.html

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[...] country. Recently, the construction site for a new mosque in Murfreesboro, Tennessee was torched. Jay Bookman of the Atlanta Journal Constitution called it an act of terrorism 886 miles from Ground …. The 250-member Muslim community, some of whom have lived there for over a generation, are [...]

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[...] country. Recently, the construction site for a new mosque in Murfreesboro, Tennessee was torched. Jay Bookman of the Atlanta Journal Constitution called it an act of terrorism 886 miles from Ground …. The 250-member Muslim community, some of whom have lived there for over a generation, are [...]

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[...] country. Recently, the construction site for a new mosque in Murfreesboro, Tennessee was torched. Jay Bookman of the Atlanta Journal Constitution called it an act of terrorism 886 miles from Ground …. The 250-member Muslim community, some of whom have lived there for over a generation, are [...]

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