Terrorism strikes outside Nashville, 800 miles from Ground Zero

It’s an 886-mile drive from Ground Zero in Manhattan to Murfreesboro, TN, outside of Nashville. But to some, that’s apparently too close.

“Federal officials are investigating a fire that started overnight at the site of a new Islamic center in a Nashville suburb.

Ben Goodwin of the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Department confirmed to CBS Affiliate WTVF that the fire, which burned construction equipment at the future site of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, is being ruled as arson.

Special Agent Andy Anderson of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told CBS News that the fire destroyed one piece of construction equipment and damaged three others. Gas was poured over the equipment to start the fire, Anderson said.

The ATF, FBI and Rutherford County Sheriff’s Office are conducting a joint investigation into the fire, Anderson said….

The chair of the center’s planning committee, Essim Fathy, said he drove to the site at around 5:30 a.m. Saturday morning after he was contacted by the sheriff’s department.

“Our people and community are so worried of what else can happen,” said Fathy. “They are so scared.”

Great. Just great. Let’s be blunt: What happened over the weekend represents an act of domestic terrorism, directed at peaceful people — many of whom are no doubt American citizens — who want nothing more than to live and worship in peace.

Some people have tried to cut the baby in half regarding the proposed Islamic Center/mosque in New York City, arguing that sure, technically, Muslims have the “right” to build where they want to build, but they’d be more “sensitive” if they moved the project elsewhere. But as the Murfreesboro case demonstrates, it’s not really about proximity to Ground Zero and sensitivity is not the cure. It’s about vile and unAmerican discrimination. Such bigotry must be confronted and denounced, not placated.

Just last week, on his “700 Club” show, Pat Robertson weighed in against the Murfreesboro mosque, warning that it was probably being funded by Saudi Arabians as part of a conspiracy to impose sharia on the Murfreesboro area. As the Nashville Tennessean reports:

“Islamic Center officials have said they are building the center in stages because they are using only local funds to pay for it, and they have not accepted contributions from elsewhere.

But Robertson claimed money from wealthy Muslims in Saudi Arabia could be used to pay for construction of the mosque. That Middle East country, he said, practices a more extreme form of Islam.

“This isn’t just religion,” the televangelist said.

He went on to say that Muslims could end up taking over the city council to pass ordinances that require public prayer and foot washing. The new Islamic Center is outside the Murfreesboro city limits. An existing center is much smaller and has been in the city for years.

Robertson said a Muslim takeover would mean girls would have to wear headdresses to school… Thursday, Robertson said local officials could end up being cowed by Muslims’ ability “to bribe folks.” A $10,000 bribe could easily influence a public official in a small town, he said.”

The Muslim community in Murfreesboro comprises some 250 families, some of whom have lived in the area for more than a generation. They plan initially to build a 10,000-square-foot worship facility on the 15-acre tract, followed later by an activity room, offices, gymnasium, a swimming pool, outdoor athletic fields and possibly a cemetery.

But some opponents have apparently charged that the Muslims’ real goal is to build a terrorist training facility. Others have been only slightly less blunt in media interviews.

“They are not a religion. They are a political, militaristic group,” Bob Shelton, a 76-year-old retiree who lives in the area, told The Associated Press.

Shelton was among several hundred demonstrators who recently wore “Vote for Jesus” T-shirts and carried signs that said “No Sharia law for USA!,” referring to the Islamic code of law.

“No mosque in Murfreesboro. I don’t want it. I don’t want them here,” Evy Summers said to WTVF. “Go start their own country overseas somewhere. This is a Christian country. It was based on Christianity.”

Fathy, the head of the Muslim group’s planning committee, told the Tennessean that friends back in Egypt are surprised to hear about crimes against mosques such as Sunday’s vandalism. “They cannot fathom this,” he said. “They always look at the U.S. as the place where democracy is practiced best.”

That’s what we are when we are at our best, when we don’t allow the extremists in our own midst to set the agenda.

340 comments Add your comment

Crickets

August 30th, 2010
10:55 am

Repubs didn’t have ‘full control’ 1994 to 2000. Clinton was president.

godless heathen

August 30th, 2010
10:55 am

“If someone ‘inside’ did it (or did it for insurance purposes, as many arsons are), will there be an article about that?”

Or an apology to the good people of Murfreesboro or the opponents of the not-a-mosque not at GZ?

“but I’m kind of bummed that the escaped rattlesnake from the zoo has been found dead.”

The zoo should have informed the public that this thing was at large. The entire Grant Park APD precinct could have taken the night off.

Don’t hold you breath.

Bosch

August 30th, 2010
10:57 am

Nice Guy,

“Times have changed (for the worse) and the need to slash spending is greater now than it was during that time.”

I agree that times have changed for the worse, but there are alot of people who think that what Obama has done is what needed to be done — some really smart people who study this kind of thing and all.

I hear that we need to slash spending, and I’m curious as to what the GOP intends to slash when they get back their power to do so? Because, so far, I’ve heard nothing about what they intend, but instead a bunch of straw man/red herrings about mosques, gay marriage, and other issues that have absolutely nothing to do with the economy.

They want to cut taxes again, which has proven, with real data and stuff, not to work, but how will we pay off the deficit?

Even John Boehner couldn’t answer this question — how do you intend to reduce the deficit without raising taxes?

Hillbilly Deluxe

August 30th, 2010
10:58 am

sfd

On David vs. Monsanto, I’m not sure if terrorism is the right word but if not, it’s close. Monsanto and other companies like them are engaged in an effort to control the world’s seed supply, in my opinion. If one controls the seed supply, then one, in reality, controls the food supply. They attempted to run over Percy Schmeiser and others like him, just because they know he doesn’t have the money that they do and they can win in a war of attrition.

On the larger question, I have several problems with GMOs. First off, I don’t think any lifeforms should be patentable and they aren’t in some countries. Second, while in some cases GMOs might be a good thing, we have absolutely no idea what the long-term effects are. We won’t know that for decades, at which point it’ll be too late (think Kudzu, etc.) Third, what about cross contamination? Lets say Percy is like me and has seed strains that date back for decades. If his neighbor has GMO seed that has a reproductive inhibitor, his seed can be contaminated and rendered sterile. Once the strain is gone, it’s gone; there’s no getting it back. Any of us who’ve had a crop failure with the last of our seed stock, can understand that and I just garden because I enjoy it and the food is better. I’m not depending on it for my livelihood, as Percy is.

I did find it ironic that Monsanto claimed the seed and plants were theirs except when Percy needed them removed from his property. Then they wouldn’t pay because they were on his property but claimed he couldn’t remove them because they belonged to Monsanto.

In my opinion, if you grow a crop, the seeds should be yours to do with as you please. If I sold you a dog, would that give me a right to all the puppies, from now to eternity? Of course, not. As usual though, it’s all about money.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

August 30th, 2010
10:58 am

Act of Domestic Terrorism…

Two Dead, Including Bishop, in Shooting at Visalia, CA,. Mormon Church.

A man entered the Visalia, CA, church and asked to speak to a church leader. When directed to the lay bishop who was doing administrative paperwork between services, the attacker shot and killed him.

The victim, 42, leaves behind a wife and six children.

“Great. Just great. Let’s be blunt: What happened over the weekend represents an act of domestic terrorism, directed at peaceful people — many of whom are no doubt American citizens — who want nothing more than to live and worship in peace.”

Bosch

August 30th, 2010
10:58 am

Crickets,

But I don’t recall them putting any bills on Clintons desk for signature that banned gay marriage, ended entitlements, reduced government, banned abortions, or an immigration plan, or to make Christianity the national religion.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

August 30th, 2010
10:59 am

Me, I’m all for concealed carry weapons in church by licensed, legal gun owners.

I can see Russia from my house

August 30th, 2010
11:00 am

Let’s send Sarah to keep an eye out for them. That one there has some more stupendous vision. Beck as backup.

Obama's Legacy

August 30th, 2010
11:01 am

Thanks for the great puff piece, Jay. I know we are late getting the talking points out. But everyone here is all bummed out trying to think of a good spin on the Beck/Palin rally.

JCamp

August 30th, 2010
11:02 am

“I’m nuts because I use the correct definition of a word? OK. I will give you this one caveat — terrorism in its purest definition is the one I gave, but other definitions I have seen, there is usually a political element to the act”

Well, I’m looking at the judicial definition of the act and what the perp will and should be charged with. If you burn an empty building, you are not looking to do harm to a person. How can burning an empty building instill terror? Like I’ve said before, had this person or persons done this during operating hours, then you have an argument. With the absence of possible harm, you got nothing.

Normal

August 30th, 2010
11:02 am

stands for decibels

August 30th, 2010
11:02 am

Repubs didn’t have ‘full control’ 1994 to 2000. Clinton was president.

True. Really the only time the GOP were free and clear to make sweeping changes would’ve been between 1.2003 and 1.2007, although I guess technically you’d need to include those days between Jan. 20 and June 1, 2001. See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_leaders_of_the_United_States_Senate

And to be fair, Democrats know a thing or two about stymieing such efforts in the Senate.
So the way this country is built, it is bloody difficult to enact wholesale changes. For GOPers to imagine that a potential future majority in the House is going to mean a whole lot, I give you Nancy Pelosi’s efforts to expand SCHIP, pass the Lily Ledbetter act, and oh yeah, there was that whole “We’re gonna defund the Iraq occupation” dealie….

Doggone/GA

August 30th, 2010
11:03 am

“Had this person done this deed while it was full of worshipers, then you have terrorism”

IF the goal was to stop the building of the center in the first place, it would still be terrorism…but yes, if caught they will be charged with arson. So? That was the ACT committed, that doesn’t mean it couldn’t have terrorism as the reason behind it.

Bosch

August 30th, 2010
11:03 am

“How can burning an empty building instill terror?”

You really have to ask this question?

Kaddafi_Delenda_Est

August 30th, 2010
11:06 am

Was it terrorism (or just fascist political theatre) when pro-jihadi Leftists flung molotovs at peace officers at the San Francisco Chronicle building?

Leftist Quislings are encouraged to Enter the “Leftist-fascist Hall of Shame” and recall what hate “arson” really looks like.
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

Own it, Quislings for Islamo-supremacism.

Bosch

August 30th, 2010
11:06 am

I mean, the GOP has already broke one contract with America, why should we trust them to make another?

Fool me once, but geez.

Kaddafi_Delenda_Est

August 30th, 2010
11:08 am

This was more likely a “false-flag” operation by pro-mosque Leftist provocateurs– as a pretext to justify Pelosi’s shrieks for investigations of legitimate dissent by patriotic Americans.

I’ve been waiting patiently all month for the ACLU to denounce the “chilling effect” on the 1st Amendment exerted by Pelosi’s hamfisted attempt to intimidate the American citizenry and inhibit folks from freely expressing their dissent.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news /114773-pelosi-new-yorkers-should-decide-in-ginn ed-up-mosque-controversy

But it’s still August, maybe they’re all still on vacation over at ACLU-HQ?

I’m sure they’ll all be chiming in on Pelosi’s “MCCARTHYISM!” any time now, you betcha.

*crickets chirp*

Obama's Legacy

August 30th, 2010
11:10 am

We need a new diversion. How about Gitmo? Gitmo…. Yeah, GITMO! We’ll build a mosque at Gitmo. Damn, I’m smart. Rahm? RAHM!!! Bring me a beer and a cigarette.

stands for decibels

August 30th, 2010
11:11 am

HD, I find your feelings expressed @ 10.58 more or less what I expected–and entirely in line with my own.

I will say that the film disappointed me just a bit, I wish they’d at least paid lip service to presenting Monsanto’s case for this incredibly aggressive brand of patent enforcement.

(I missed a few minutes, so maybe there was something in there, but I didn’t see any, and that hurt their cred a bit. I say that because I had also heard Percy Scheider interviewed on NPR, maybe a year ago, in a more balanced report—and I was still plenty furious at what he’d been subjected to at the hands of Monsanto.)

No, it’s not terrorism, but like you said it is pretty close. And given that this is happening in Canada, where presumably you have a more representative form of government, I’m assuming the company is likely even more brutal with what they call the “seed pirates”, here in the good ol’ USA.

JCamp

August 30th, 2010
11:13 am

“How can burning an empty building instill terror?”

“You really have to ask this question?”

The charges filled against the perp will be arson. Simple as that. You can argue all you want, but it will not change the fact that this was done to damage property and not harm people.

mm

August 30th, 2010
11:13 am

“Yellow journalism or the yellow press is a type of journalism that presents little or no legitimate well-researched news and instead uses eye-catching headlines”

Sounds like a perfect description of Fox News.

Doggone/GA

August 30th, 2010
11:16 am

“but it will not change the fact that this was done to damage property and not harm people”

And if they had harmed people they would have been charged with whatever level of harm occured, not with terrorism. That doesn’t mean that bodily harm wasn’t terrorism

Kaddafi_Delenda_Est

August 30th, 2010
11:18 am

Was it terrorism (or just fascist political theatre) when Leftist thugs split an innocent American woman’s head open with a brick in Georgetown during their (so-called) October rebellion?
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/10/20/anarchy-in- georgetown/

Leftist Quislings are encourage to Enter the “Leftist-fascist Hall of Shame” and recall what hate “arson” really looks like.
http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

Own it, Quislings for Islamo-supremacism.

Hillbilly Deluxe

August 30th, 2010
11:19 am

I will say that the film disappointed me just a bit, I wish they’d at least paid lip service to presenting Monsanto’s case for this incredibly aggressive brand of patent enforcement.

I would like to have seen, that as well, but I also missed the first part of it. It’s doubtful though, that the tone of the first few minutes would have been any different than the rest of the program. As to “seed pirates” in the U.S., I’ve read of farmers having to pay six figure fines.

Saw your comment the other day about Round-up. I try not to use insecticides and herbicides unless I just have to but sometimes it’s unavoidable. A couple of points about the product though, if it loses it’s effect once it is in the ground (as they claim), why do they tell you not to plant anything there for 4-6 weeks? And from my own experience, I’ve noticed that 30 minutes is about as long as you need to be exposed to it. Even with a breathing mask, I started to experience arm numbness.

If I do have to use a herbicide, I try to use one that is targeted to what I need to get rid of, rather than one that kills everything.

Kaddafi_Delenda_Est

August 30th, 2010
11:20 am

When will Bloomberg publicly apologize to the secular Muslim NY Cabbie and his family for inciting the pro-jihad mosque vigilantee (Michael Enright) to moby violence?

It’s past time Quislings took a little ownership for Bloomberg’s orchestrated Islamo-supremacist advocacy campaign. Afterall, Bloomberg stands to profit handsomely from his Dubai sharia banking investments. How do you say “quid pro quo” in Arabic?

What gets lost in all Bloomberg’s recent demogoguery is that the Muslim cabbie victim is himself a hateful hater, bigot, inauthentic, xenophobic, neanderthal– at least, if you go by the criterion set out by Bloomberg (and his Quisling toadies in the media): Opposing the mosque is “Islamophobia”– period. Right?

As an anti-jihadist, however, I’m inclined to observe that the Muslim cabbie’s pretty much consonant in his opinion of the Cordoba mosque with a super majority (70%) of his fellow Americans.

That Bloomberg’s proteges will be disappointed to discover the opinion of this Muslim cabbie apostate tells you all you need to know about the two “sides” of this debate.

Own it, Quislings for Islamo-supremacism.

Doggone/GA

August 30th, 2010
11:22 am

“Own it, Quislings for Islamo-supremacism”

Logical fallacy: arguing from the specific to the general

Kamchak

August 30th, 2010
11:23 am

Looks like mike has a new sock-puppet.

godless heathen

August 30th, 2010
11:26 am

Normal,

I read the article about “shots fired at Mosque site” in the Mufreesboro paper. Could have been someone target practicing with their 9mm in the backyard.

Still looking for the first bit of evidence that this incident in Murfeesboro, either the arson or the gunfire, was terrorism.

JCamp

August 30th, 2010
11:26 am

“And if they had harmed people they would have been charged with whatever level of harm occured, not with terrorism. That doesn’t mean that bodily harm wasn’t terrorism”

If If If all you want. That did not happen. The charges “if” would be according to whomever committed the crime.

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
11:29 am

Another one bites the dust!!

Longtime Dallas congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson has awarded thousands of dollars in college scholarships to four relatives and a top aide’s two children since 2005, using foundation funds set aside for black lawmakers’ causes.

The recipients were ineligible under anti-nepotism rules of the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, which provided the money. And all of the awards violated a foundation requirement that scholarship winners live or study in a caucus member’s district.

Johnson, a Democrat, denied any favoritism when asked about the scholarships last week. Two days later, she acknowledged in a statement released by her office that she had violated the rules but said she had done so “unknowingly” and would work with the foundation to “rectify the financial situation.”

Doggone/GA

August 30th, 2010
11:29 am

“That did not happen”

and? The arson DID happen.

“The charges “if” would be according to whomever committed the crime.”

The charges would be on whatever crime was committed. “whomever” did it would not enter into it. And it isn’t even necessary to prove WHY they did it. The only things necessary for proof to convict is: who did it, what they did, when they did it, and how they did it.

Nice Guy

August 30th, 2010
11:29 am

Bosch, I think first and foremost the Repubs will simply stop the planned spending Obama has on the table. I think by simply not bailing out state after state or union after union is a good start. I also think that the stock market will being to tick up once the Dem are out. I think corporate America has lost a lot of confidence in this Administration and that is why we are seeing a teetering Dow Jones. Political donations or not, the heavy hitters on Wall Street have taken notice of all the crap the Obama Admin has done and as well has listened to his anti-business rhetoric. Re: Boehner, I think what you are referring was his appearance on Meet the Press when Gregory was pressing him. True, the tax cuts will not pay for themselves in the short term, but that is precisely the issue. Everyone needs to quit be so short sighted and starting think long term growth. And low term effects of tax cuts have proven to be plentiful, you know by serious economist who use real numbers and stuff.

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
11:30 am

Obama should call for an investigation into just who funded the Beck rally this weekend. Worked for Pelosi!

Paul

August 30th, 2010
11:31 am

Nice Guy 10:30

“Times have changed (for the worse) and the need to slash spending is greater now than it was during that time.”

I’m really, really interested to see what Republicans come up with when they run the zoo. Sec of Defense Gates proposed eliminating a redundant command and saving costs associated with thousands of employees, plus slashing thousands of contractors. The outcry from the politicians, Congressmen and people of Virginia was immediate and deafening.

We’ll see IF they come up with meaningful changes or just do some percentage tinkering. AND see if they have the will and muscle to put it through.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

“Mormon Church….lay bishop…the attacker shot and killed him… the victim, 42, leaves behind a wife and six children…Great. Just great. Let’s be blunt: What happened over the weekend represents an act of domestic terrorism, directed at peaceful people — many of whom are no doubt American citizens — who want nothing more than to live and worship in peace.”

So… who set up the Mormons in California as a target?

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
11:31 am

Culture of dependency: Record # of Americans now on govt TIT!

Kaddafi_Delenda_Est

August 30th, 2010
11:32 am

[Doggone sneered: "Logical fallacy: arguing from the specific to the general"]

Is Doggone suggesting that Bloomberg doesn’t have proteges in the media? Or that these proteges don’t parrot his talking points?

Logical fallacy: argumentum ad ignorantiam

Grade: F

/dismissed

kayaker 71

August 30th, 2010
11:33 am

What, in all of Beck’s and Palin’s message Saturday was offensive to you? Set aside personalities and egos long enough to look at the message. What didn’t you like about what was said?

Disgusted

August 30th, 2010
11:36 am

I think if the GOP regains control you will see a lot more action than we saw during the referenced time of 1994 – 2006. Times have changed (for the worse) and the need to slash spending is greater now than it was during that time.

Mr Slash, meet Mr. Veto.

Let’s face it: the only targets of the Tea Partiers and the conservative Republicans are (1) minorities, (2) the poor, and (3) old people dependent on Social Security and Medicare—in short, people who don’t vote Republican. But they’ll never touch the defense budget, which accounts for 45% of the total budget. They’ll have two years to attempt to do their dirty work, after which they’ll be swept out of office more thoroughly than they were in 2008.

JCamp

August 30th, 2010
11:37 am

“The charges would be on whatever crime was committed. “whomever” did it would not enter into it. And it isn’t even necessary to prove WHY they did it. The only things necessary for proof to convict is: who did it, what they did, when they did it, and how they did it.”

Yes, the charges would depend on the person. If an inside job for insurance, that’s arson. If another Muslim from the same sect, still arson. If some kid playing with matches, arson. If some redneck that hates muslims, arson with the addition of a hate crime charge or terrorism (according to the agencies involved). If some group of terrorists, terrorism. That’s how it works. Go ask a DA.

Normal

August 30th, 2010
11:38 am

godless heathen

August 30th, 2010
11:26 am

Godless,
Only reporting what I’m reading.

Kaddafi_Delenda_Est

August 30th, 2010
11:39 am

Leftists support the Islamo-supremacists’ desecration of Ground Zero because they hate America and have formed an “Unholy Alliance” with Islamo-supremacists.
http://www.amazon.com/Unholy-Alliance-Radical-Islam-American/dp/089526076X

In contrast, authentic (traditional) liberals fight against sharia law advocates. For that reason, The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), which is representing a New York City firefighter who survived the 9-11 terrorist attacks, said today’s vote by the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission is deeply offensive to many of the victims and families of the 9-11 tragedy. The ACLJ plans to file an amended petition and request for an injunction in the coming weeks focusing on the fact that the mosque developers do not own the entire proposed site and do not possess the legal right to proceed with demolition or construction. In addition to urging the court to put any demolition/construction on hold, the ACLJ will request that the New York State Public Service Commission, which has regulatory authority of any disposition of land owned by a public utility, conduct a required environmental review detailing the impact that this project would have on the neighborhood character and historical resources.
http://www.aclj.org/TrialNotebook/Read.aspx?ID=991

Sharia law advocacy is un-Constitutional, and Americans understand that. No wonder Leftist-fascists support it.

Nice Guy

August 30th, 2010
11:40 am

They’ll have two years to attempt to do their dirty work, after which they’ll be swept out of office more thoroughly than they were in 2008.

Not true. The economy won’t be sputtering, spending won’t be out of control, unemployment won’t be 10%. Short of a major, party wide scandal, I don’t see this happening at all. Wishful thinking Disgusted.

Paulo977

August 30th, 2010
11:48 am

Doggone/GA@7:48am..re:comprehension ..
I am afraid together with the brainwashing for 8 years and the slide of education from the enlightened pre Reagan era to the dumb strangling one we have now is not not going to make the situation any better

Jefferson

August 30th, 2010
11:51 am

Non issue. Why fear some cult? What a bunch of weenies !!!

stands for decibels

August 30th, 2010
11:52 am

And from my own experience, I’ve noticed that 30 minutes is about as long as you need to be exposed to [Round-Up].

I doubt I’ve ever actually been out spraying anything for much longer than 30 minutes (more to do with my lack of gardening diligence than any safety issues) so I can’t say that I’ve noticed such an effect, myself.

That said, I can believe the farmer in the film who said he’d been told by a manufactuerers’ rep that Round-Up was so safe to use you could drink it. Say anything to close a deal, right?

Nice Guy

August 30th, 2010
11:53 am

Question: Who is the most irrelevant person you can think of, but who continues to get press?

Answer: Yoko Ono

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
11:54 am

kayaker 71
August 30th, 2010
11:33 am

What, in all of Beck’s and Palin’s message Saturday was offensive to you? Set aside personalities and egos long enough to look at the message. What didn’t you like about what was said?

THOSE that speak from a lack of knowledge are not worth anyone’s time!

John Birch

August 30th, 2010
11:54 am

Islam is a deeply flawed religion and it’s practitioners are our enemies, by their own admission. And discrimination is much more American than tolerance. Just ask the Indians, Negroes, Italian, Irish, Poles, Chinese, etc. One thing is certain. If Bookman had lived in France from 1940-44 he would have been Vichy all the way!!!!

stands for decibels

August 30th, 2010
11:55 am

The American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ)

Just to bring things full circle, that’d be Pat Robertson’s legal henchmen.

Big D

August 30th, 2010
11:58 am

Bosch and Paul..where as I agree it will be a leap of faith( for me at least) to put all the power back in one party, but I can only see the Dems adding more grease to an already slippery slope. I’m betting that the GOP has seen the wrath in”08″ and along with the anti-incumbent we will see a different approach to ” politics as usual.

godless heathen

August 30th, 2010
11:59 am

Normal

August 30th, 2010
11:38 am

Yes, I’m glad you are not jumping to conclusions, like Jay did with his original column.

Kaddafi_Delenda_Est

August 30th, 2010
12:00 pm

[stands sneered: "Robertson’s legal henchmen."]

I’ve been waiting patiently all month for the ACLU legal henchmen to denounce the “chilling effect” on the 1st Amendment exerted by Pelosi’s hamfisted attempt to intimidate the American citizenry and inhibit folks from freely expressing their dissent.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/114773-pelosi-new-yorkers-should-decide-in-ginn ed-up-mosque-controversy

But it’s still August, maybe they’re all still on vacation over at ACLU-HQ?

I’m sure they’ll all be chiming in on Pelosi’s “MCCARTHYISM!” any time now, you betcha.

*crickets chirp*

landry

August 30th, 2010
12:01 pm

Beck’s christ has blonde hair, blue eyes, and drives a beemer….

Normal

August 30th, 2010
12:02 pm

John Birch

August 30th, 2010
11:54 am
Christianity is a deeply flawed religion and it’s practitioners are our enemies, by their own admission. And discrimination is much more American than tolerance. Just ask the Indians, Negroes, Italian, Irish, Poles, Chinese, etc. One thing is certain. If Bookman had lived in France from 1940-44 he would have been Wine Maker all the way!!!!

There! Fixed your typos…

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
12:03 pm

123 days until the Democrats’ 2011 tax increases hit American families and small businesses

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
12:05 pm

landry
August 30th, 2010
12:01 pm

Beck’s christ has blonde hair, blue eyes, and drives a beemer….

TRY to respect it! Then, whatever yours has will be respect in kind!

songbird

August 30th, 2010
12:07 pm

Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, a member of the Saudi Royal family, is the second largest stockholder of Fox News Corp. as pointed out by Jon Stewart last week. Well, isn’t that interesting!

Paulo977

August 30th, 2010
12:08 pm

What the h*** are we talking about ..we fund Christian missionary ‘work ‘ abroad and of course the ‘work’does not sometimes call for ’soldiering’ does it ? As for foreign funding of places of worship here leading to terrorist attacks , does it mean that the investment of foreign funding for foreign students to help our universities stay afloat will lead to terrorist attacks? Shhhhh….

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August 30th, 2010
12:09 pm

Normal:

Shots fired? Tennessee’s squirrel hunting season began August 28th. It was kicked off by “Free Hunting Day”.

Any media reporting on the coincidence? Likely not.

Dusty

August 30th, 2010
12:10 pm

Well,

Bookman gave his followers a big shot of anti-Americanism this morning and they jumped right up and started preaching. Here’s a; crime of vandalism/arson that hasn’t even been investigated yet but Bookman knows it is those conservatives like Pat Robertson who inspired the whole thing. Wow! Talk about jumping to unsubstaniated and disconnected conclusions and you’ve got Bookman.

AnVet put it better although he was not referring to Bookman. But he could be. ” Sleezbag preys upon the prejudice and ignorance of his sheep”. Right! Exactly what Bookman is doing here. He takes an unproven if barely related incident and blames it on all the people he wishes to incriminate. Then he wants to imply that he just can’t stand this injury to American standards when he is judging; without proof, inciting against a certain group (Christians & Republicans) and printing it for public reading. For dessert, he serves hypocrisy.

So long to journalistic integrity. Here’s to pouring inflamatory material for journalistic excitement. Joy for AJC!! Ye shall know the untruths and it is Bookman!!

kayaker 71

August 30th, 2010
12:12 pm

Bozo quotes worth noting….

“The Boston police acted stupidly”

“We are suing over the AZ law”.

“The ground zero mosque question? I don’t comment on local issues”

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August 30th, 2010
12:14 pm

So when does squirrel hunting season start here in Georgia. I may take up the sport in an attempt to save next year’s tomatoes.

The Last Boy Scout

August 30th, 2010
12:18 pm

This is why we must stop this conservative Republican trash. They (conservative Republican’s) are the real terrorist-in-training. We make up boggy men to try and scare people into doing something that is not in their best interest. If the next time one of these morrons starts complaining about a zoning issue in New Your City we throw Bull Stuff at him or her they might get the idea. STOP THIS NOW.

Normal

August 30th, 2010
12:26 pm

@@, please see my 11:38,,,

Dusty

August 30th, 2010
12:26 pm

@@.

I smile everytime I think of squirrels running across your patio with tomatoes from your garden in their mouths. I don’t have any edible tomatoes, just plants, but the squirrels make frequent raids on my bird feeder.

One is a brown and white fox squirrel who is much bigger than his grey brothers. I wouldn’t mind taking a shot at him. Firearms here are too big to shoot at squirrels. Besides, I couldn’t hit the side of a barn if I tried.

Hillbilly Deluxe

August 30th, 2010
12:28 pm

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http://www.gohuntgeorgia.com/sites/default/files/uploads/wildlife/hunting/pdf/regulations/2010-2011_StateSeason_summary_0.pdf

…….or you could build your tomato cages out of concrete reinforcing wire, cover them with hardware cloth (screen wire), then the squirrels will have a hard time getting in. Be sure to fix you some access flaps to reach through to get the tomatoes. Rats, birds and terrapins also eat tomotoes.

A .22 rifle is my preference but given your setting (suburban?), you might want to go for a .410 shotgun. More noise but a lot less range for collateral damange. Oh, by the way, scopes are for wimps. (IW&SH)

Normal

August 30th, 2010
12:30 pm

Dusty, you said ” I couldn’t hit the side of a barn if I tried.”

Try standing inside the barn… :)

Hillbilly Deluxe

August 30th, 2010
12:30 pm

That said, I can believe the farmer in the film who said he’d been told by a manufactuerers’ rep that Round-Up was so safe to use you could drink it. Say anything to close a deal, right?

My response to the salesman would have been, “Hold on, while I get you a glass”.

Hillbilly Deluxe

August 30th, 2010
12:32 pm

Dusty, you said ” I couldn’t hit the side of a barn if I tried.”

Try standing inside the barn…

She might hit the end of the barn, instead. :lol:

JB

August 30th, 2010
12:34 pm

One thing that would help……. An outcry from moderate, peaceful Muslims against Islamic terrorism…………….Crickets………………..Muslim terrorist kill their detractors, not pray for them.

Doggone/GA

August 30th, 2010
12:34 pm

“She might hit the end of the barn, instead”

Or the roof!

@@

August 30th, 2010
12:34 pm

Normal:

Why bring it up without any facts? What was your motivation?

Dusty:

Those squirrels are BEASTS, I tell you. I’m gonna blow ‘em to smithereens!!!!

J/K! I can’t hit the broadside of a barn with a BB gun. Maybe if I got a scope…

Normal

August 30th, 2010
12:36 pm

This is what sets me, as a Liberal, apart from you Conservative types out there. I factor in what the squirrels, deer, rabbits and birds (even crows) will eat when I plant. They are all Mother Nature’s creatures and I like to take care of them, so I make sure there is enough to go around…and most years I still have some left over for the neighbors.

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
12:37 pm

LOL:) From terrorism to squirrels! Love it!!!!

Bosch

August 30th, 2010
12:38 pm

“I think by simply not bailing out state after state”

But the GOP leaders in the state are begging for money, so how will that play out you think?

“I also think that the stock market will being to tick up once the Dem are out.”

It already is.

I think corporate America has lost a lot of confidence in this Administration and that is why we are seeing a teetering Dow Jones.

I think that’s an excuse to cover up for their bad business management plans —

“And low term effects of tax cuts have proven to be plentiful, you know by serious economist who use real numbers and stuff.”

By who?

Hillbilly Deluxe

August 30th, 2010
12:38 pm

This is what sets me, as a Liberal, apart from you Conservative types out there. I factor in what the squirrels, deer, rabbits and birds (even crows) will eat when I plant.

If you plant it, they will come. ;-)

@@

August 30th, 2010
12:38 pm

Damn! I didn’t see Hillbilly’s post before I hit submit.

Oh, by the way, scopes are for wimps. (IW&SH)

Normal

August 30th, 2010
12:38 pm

@@

August 30th, 2010
12:34 pm
Normal:

Why bring it up without any facts? What was your motivation?

It was an article on topic. Thought I’d throw it out there to keep up the conversation.

kayaker 71

August 30th, 2010
12:39 pm

A pellet gun works well in my back yard. No noise, very effective and cheap.

John Birch

August 30th, 2010
12:39 pm

Normal – The Crusades ended a long time ago. Look around the world of the last decade and just about every trouble spot: Iran, Iraq, East Timor, Pakistan, Somalia has Muslim fanaticism as the root cause. But you can answer a question for me, why are liberals invariably cowards?

Gordon

August 30th, 2010
12:40 pm

“But as the Murfreesboro case demonstrates, it’s not really about proximity to Ground Zero and sensitivity is not the cure. It’s about vile and unAmerican discrimination.”

How incredibly presumptuous of you, Jay. Believe it or not, most people don’t care is a Mosque is built, they just don’t want it built there. To disagree with people on this issue is fine, but to associate them with the people who did this in Tennessee is downright insulting. Taking an outrageous opinion or action and portraying it as the mainstream line of thinking of those who have different opinions as you is lazy and childish.

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
12:40 pm

Normal
August 30th, 2010
12:36 pm

This is what sets me, as a Liberal, apart from you Conservative types out there. I factor in what the squirrels, deer, rabbits and birds (even crows) will eat when I plant. They are all Mother Nature’s creatures and I like to take care of them, so I make sure there is enough to go around…and most years I still have some left over for the neighbors.

THAT’S GREAT! Now, on average which party’s peeps give more money, property,etc to ALL charities including or excluding the FEDS payments? You have two choices, so if necessary flip a coin, it’s a 50/50 shot!

@@

August 30th, 2010
12:42 pm

What the heck’s left of a squirrel after shooting it with a shotgun?

Bosch

August 30th, 2010
12:42 pm

“What, in all of Beck’s and Palin’s message Saturday was offensive to you?”

If you don’t mind, I would like to answer that. For me, it was the fact that we need to restore America to traditional values, and to me, that’s insinuating that somehow we have gotten away from that. They are somehow apologizing for America being the way it is — it’s only gotten away from THEIR traditional values, and do not realize that America is not and will not ever again be controlled solely by old rich white guys who own property.

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
12:44 pm

While Members Suffer, Unions Waste Millions on Political Campaigns

Only a Democrat keeps buying the same kook-aid for the last 50 years and expecting something different than the shaft they have gotten.

DawgDad

August 30th, 2010
12:44 pm

Where’s the evidence this is domestic terrorism? “Domestic terrorism” gets to motive, and you don’t even know who the perpetrators are yet, right Jay? I think we understand YOUR motives pretty clearly.

Bosch

August 30th, 2010
12:44 pm

“The economy won’t be sputtering, spending won’t be out of control, unemployment won’t be 10%. Short of a major, party wide scandal, I don’t see this happening at all.”

Nice Guy,

I’m sure you are nice and all, but how do you think the economy got to this point? Are you suggesting it all happened in January 2009?

Dusty

August 30th, 2010
12:45 pm

Normal & HillBilly,

You two are just trying to get me in trouble. Anybody who shoots inside a barn is kinda squrrely themselves. Do either of you have a nice big barn worth a shot?

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
12:46 pm

Bosch
August 30th, 2010
12:42 pm

“What, in all of Beck’s and Palin’s message Saturday was offensive to you?”

If you don’t mind, I would like to answer that. For me, it was the fact that we need to restore America to traditional values, and to me, that’s insinuating that somehow we have gotten away from that. They are somehow apologizing for America being the way it is — it’s only gotten away from THEIR traditional values, and do not realize that America is not and will not ever again be controlled solely by old rich white guys who own property.

DO YOU CARE TO BACK UP YOU’RE BS?

Hillbilly Deluxe

August 30th, 2010
12:46 pm

What the heck’s left of a squirrel after shooting it with a shotgun?

You said you wanted to kill it; you didn’t say anything about preserving it. Besides, a .410 isn’t going to tear it up nearly as bad as you might think. I shot one with a 20 gauge once, it hit the ground pre-gutted.

Normal

August 30th, 2010
12:47 pm

John Birch

August 30th, 2010
12:39 pm
why are liberals invariably cowards?

I might ask, why are you so narrow minded, but your question answered that for me. As for cowardly, I served three tour in ‘Nam, was on the beach in Granada before the Grunts, and served as fire support for the doomed SEALs holding the air port in Panama. All and all, I’m 2 for three…How about you?
And yes, I still believe violence is the last refuge of the incompetent,
how about you?

HDB

August 30th, 2010
12:47 pm

I’m Here From The Government And I’m Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
12:03 pm
123 days until the Democrats’ 2011 tax increases hit American families and small businesses

Here you go again…getting things twisted!! That was the REPUBLICAN tax increases, passed by reconsiliation in 2001!! The Bush tax cuts were passed bty a REPUBLICAN CONGRESS via reconsiliation!! That maade the tax cuts expire in a decade under Congressional rules!! Please quit perpetuating the LIE that Democrats are passing a tax increase!! That has ALWAYS been a Republican mission!! Remember: Reagan RAISED taxes….Bush41 RAISED taxes….now…Bush 43 RAISED taxes!!

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August 30th, 2010
12:48 pm

Normal:

This is what sets me, as a Liberal, apart from you Conservative types out there. I factor in what the squirrels, deer, rabbits and birds (even crows) will eat when I plant. They are all Mother Nature’s creatures and I like to take care of them, so I make sure there is enough to go around…and most years I still have some left over for the neighbors.

I go above and beyond the call.

I pick the produce form ‘em and leave it some distance outside the garden. It’s supposed to act as a lure. I’m convinced that if wildlife could vote, they’d vote Democrat. Always wanting more of what’s mine.

Hillbilly Deluxe

August 30th, 2010
12:48 pm

Dusty

I don’t have a barn but I have shot at rats inside a barn. They even make .22 rat shot, ya know.

Bosch

August 30th, 2010
12:48 pm

I’m here,

It’s my opinion, It’s what I believe to be true, so no, I don’t need to justify what I believe to you.

@@

August 30th, 2010
12:50 pm

Question?

Is 240 sandpaper considered fine? I’m sanding wall spackles.

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
12:51 pm

HDB
August 30th, 2010
12:47 pm

We disagree! Is that a problem for you?

Hillbilly Deluxe

August 30th, 2010
12:51 pm

I’d consider 240 a little fine for what you are doing. Maybe use that to finish it up.

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
12:51 pm

Bosch
August 30th, 2010
12:48 pm

I’m here,

It’s my opinion, It’s what I believe to be true, so no, I don’t need to justify what I believe to you.

THOUGHT SO!

I'm Here From The Government And I'm Here To Help

August 30th, 2010
12:53 pm

I’s getting the feeling HDB is aka Bookman? Anyone else sense it?