Our extremists – Gingrich, et al. – boost Islamic extremists

“Our extremists – Gingrich, et al. – boost Islamic extremists”

And I would posit that in our own way, blogging hereabouts on this assigned theme, are doing our own little share in bringing this about…so much of what is being bally-hooed on a daily basis is alienating to me and I’m not a Muslim.

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From NPR:

Experts

Enough with the BS! The Punch Line is hiring!

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“After a while, PETA is going to get involved with us beating this dead horse ad nauseum”

Nah, we’re safe on that one…the last thing PETA wants is people dwelling on the conjunction of “PETA” and dead animals:

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

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You’ve got to love the irony of reporters and editorialists constantly harping on this and blaming the public for it being in the public eye.

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Experts worry…

More fear politics.

Geez.

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Why is Fox News funding the terrorists? Follow the money!

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Doggone
Interesting link, thanks! I’m an animal lover and I’ve always had my qualms about PETA…a lot of rhetoric but nothing of real substance…

RW
“You’ve got to love the irony of reporters and editorialists constantly harping on this and blaming the public for it being in the public eye.”

You call it irony. I call it hypocracy. And thanks for the Cordoba House…

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Our extremists – Gingrich, Reid, et al. – boost Islamic extremists

FYT

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The solution to this problem is simple.

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Reb… not going to appease you. You dont know squat about what you are talking about.

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josef

I wanted to join PETA, but they said it didn’t mean People Eating Tasty Animals!!! I figured grilling them over hot coals was considered ethical in the South.

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Bruno:

Thanks for “your suggestion” downstairs.

I rarely, if ever, offer suggestions on how to live a Christian life. I’ll be standing alone at those pearly gates, answering for no one but myself. I’m more than happy to let others do the same, for only God knows what’s in their heart.

But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.–James 4:6

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“Pay attention – the only thing the radical Islamists understand is strength.”

And our arrogance!

Bruno: Let’s throw out this question: What steps should we take to address the deficit and our economy (two issues)? Now let’s get the easy ones out of the way: Limit entitlements, no citizenship or jobs for illegals (I’m not supporting, but someone will harp on it anyway), and the ungodly democratic administration (Pres. Obama, socialist, communist, thumb sucking, apologetic…). Now that they are off the table, what SPECIFIC itms should be addressed in our economy…no meandering back to the list now!

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Gingrich’s comments will help to sell copies of his new book but it will kill his 2012 chances. I’m sure he realizes that and it shows his priorities.

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“I’ve always had my qualms about PETA…a lot of rhetoric but nothing of real substance…”

Oh, I’m not even that tolerant. I think they’re one of the biggest, most successful con games going.

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I give radical Islamists more credit than radical Christians….at least one of the group apparently has the ability to understand something

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The ground zero mosque, it’s the new Shirley Sherrod. And oh yeah…”neocon”.

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Johnny Reb,
You completely missed the point. Yes, the extremists only understand strength but that doesn’t mean you bully the moderates! Sure you may be able to find a quote here and there to stoke the islamic paranoia that has reared its ugly head but the Imam of the New York mosque is known around the world as a moderate and has many quotes to back that up. Moderate muslims around the world see all this controversy and wonder if the extremists are right about America being at war with Islam as a whole and not just the extremists. Get it?

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RW
Oops! That was Bruno, not you! My bad…

SoCo
What was it Ron White said? “I didn’t climb to the top of the food chain to become a vegetarian!”

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Jay, yes it’s an important subject but its been discussed to death and it’s time to let it settle down and let cooler heads prevail, IMO.

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Sorry Southern Comfort, I agree with Jay. The only way to fight bigotry, racist, stupidity, ignorance and the blowhards that try not only to ignore the Constitution but to spout their folloishness is to call them out and fight hard. Silence is taken by these people as consent and approval.

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Speaking of ignorance and foolishness….look Scout’s here to lead that pack!

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Time to do something constructive, going to vote. FYI, florida and georgia just awarded millions for education in the race to the top competition. Now that’s some good news eh?

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Oops! That was Bruno, not you!

Some would say that confusing the two of us is pretty difficult, especially today. According to me he’s a liar and according to him I’m a hypocrite.

…but he had to lie to portray me as one

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Well, I disagree with those who claim that this is not an important issue.

It is important for the reasons discussed in the NPR story. It is important that we defend American values of religious tolerance and religious freedom against those who would toss them away in fear.

Of course it’s an important issue, Jay.

But how many more times must it be pointed out that the terrorists (and fear mongers) succeeded in making some of us afraid?

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This sure doesn’t look like the klan rally some of you are painting it as

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“But how many more times must it be pointed out that the terrorists (and fear mongers) succeeded in making some of us afraid?”

as often as it takes

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sorry for the typo: immediately

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And then there were…

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My last post is “awaiting moderation.” Why I have no idea. I did say “gon*ds. Also said “Pali*.” Said b*stards” (referring to terrorists) as well.

Shame on me.

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Doggone & Keep up the good fight

One can show opposition without having to be vocal. I’m a firm believer in action over words. Just as the Civil Rights movement was done in a non-violent manner, the battle over discrimination can be won by actions over words. I’ve found there to be many people of words, but not many of action.

As the old saying goes, “I can show you better than I can tell you” rings true in this instance. By embracing the right for not only Muslims to practice their religion, but the right of the protesters to protest, I think that’s the way to show the true freedoms that exist here in the U.S. that are hard to find elsewhere.

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Oh and Miss USA Rima Fakih joins Senate Majority Leader Reid and Howard Dean in saying it should be cited elsewhere.

Howard Dean said, “”This center may be intended as a bridge or a healing gesture but it will not be perceived that way unless a dialogue with a real attempt to understand each other happens,” he writes. “That means the builders have to be willing to go beyond what is their right and be willing to talk about feelings whether the feelings are ‘justified’ or not.”

Dean argues that most of the people opposed to the “ground zero mosque” – actually a planned Islamic community center that would include a mosque two blocks from the former site of the World Trade Center — “are not right-wing hate mongers.” He says that while the developers have a right to build what and where they want, they should consider that many Americans “have very strong emotional resistance to building on this site.”

“This is about ending the poisonous atmosphere engendered by fear and hate, and in order to do that there has to be genuine listening, hearing and willingness to compromise on both sides,” he writes. ”’

“Dean said he was surprised by the negative reaction to his comments because much of it, he said, “had to do with defending the constitutional rights of the builders of the center.”

“Of course I never attacked those rights; I explicitly supported them, as the president also did this week,” he writes. “Nor did I side with the Islamophobic rhetoric of Newt, Palin et al. There are a great many people in this debate talking past each other, as is often the case these days.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014240-503544.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

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Good grief! The comment section following the Empire State Building article even got into religion.

Nancy Alveiro

What respect does the Empire State Building deserve if they won’t even consider Mother Theresa’s birthday lighting!! I’m sure the new building would have been lit in a bright white & blue!! Tough luck ESB! Let progress go forth.

August 23, 2010 pm31 2:40 pm | Reply | Report comment

No Thanks

A lot more than she ever gave her patients, allowing them to suffer because suffering is how she viewed people being close to god.

August 23, 2010 pm31 5:04 pm | Reply | Report comment

Binky

Mother Theresa died an atheist. I love it.

August 23, 2010 pm31 5:18 pm

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SoCo,

You keep portraying the people against this mosque project as being “the right.” The last polling data I saw said 63% of New Yorkers are against this and if this country has politically shifted so far to the right that 63% of New Yorkers are now in that category it even scares me how much power my political fellow travelers are going to have soon.

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PAUL

The EOI in charge is in the house…but do Jay, CT and come out taking on those you mention with the same zeal in defense of the Muslims and the perception thereof? No a chance…not every day, once a day, all day long…The three you mentioned are every bit the “Islamaphobes” as Newt and Company…they just dress it up in the Sunday Go To Meetin’ garb of “…but…”

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“The last polling data I saw said 63% of New Yorkers are against this ”

And that, to me, is the best reason to have it built exactly where they are planning to build it.

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Doggone/GA

You missed another purveyor of inaccurate information!

Matti:

“You mean like when President CheneyBush allowed the Saudi elites in this country to be quietly whisked away under cover of darkness and secrecy, in their big fancy private jets, out of our country before they could be thoroughly interrogated immiately following an unprovoked attack on our nation by SAUDI citizens?”

You might want to check factcheck dot org. Or, if you want to post nonsense, you could cite a source.

Flights of Saudi Nationals Leaving the United States Three questions have arisen with respect to the departure of Saudi nationals from the United States in the immediate aftermath of 9/11:

(1) Did any flights of Saudi nationals take place before national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001?
(2) Was there any political intervention to facilitate the departure of Saudi nationals?
(3) Did the FBI screen Saudi nationals thoroughly before their departure?

First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001.24 To the contrary,
every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.25 Second, we found no evidence of political intervention.We found no evidence that anyone at theWhite House above the level of Richard Clarke participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals. The issue came up in one of the many video teleconferences of the interagency group Clarke chaired, and Clarke said he approved of how the FBI was dealing with the matter when it came up for interagency
discussion at his level. Clarke told us,“I asked the FBI, Dale Watson . . . to handle that, to check to see if that was all right with them, to see if they wanted access to any of these people, and to get back to me.And if they had no objections, it would be fine with me.” Clarke added,“I have no recollection of clearing it with anybody at the White House.”26 Although White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card remembered someone telling him about the Saudi request shortly after 9/11, he said
he had not talked to the Saudis and did not ask anyone to do anything about it.The President andVice President told us they were not aware of the issue at all until it surfaced much later in the media. None of the officials we interviewed recalled any intervention or direction on this matter from any political appointee.27 Third,we believe that the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals who left the United States on charter flights.28 The Saudi government was advised of and agreed to the FBI’s requirements that passengers be identified and checked against various databases before the flights departed.29The Federal Aviation Administration representative
working in the FBI operations center made sure that the 330 THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT
FBI was aware of the flights of Saudi nationals and was able to screen the passengers before they were allowed to depart.30 The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures.They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion. Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed on these flights.”

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Commission-report-on-bin-Laden-flights.pdf

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Not to worry. The Muslims are slowly but surely manning the retirement homes all across America and… well, it is probably best not to say any more without making sure that the scared are safely under their beds.

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And that, to me, is the best reason to have it built exactly where they are planning to build it

Doggone/GA,

I hope you’re not trying to drive me down the same road Nanny B has been trying to for days on end now. My position is that they’ve cleared all the zoning hurdles and have every right to build on the spot they selected, but I also believe the people protesting have a Constitutionally protected right to do so.

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Hezbollah, the terrorists who’ve been left out in the cold.

Two Hezbollah members and two members of the pro-Syrian heterodox Sunni Lebanese group Al Ahbash reportedly died in a clash in Beirut on Aug. 24. While the fighting may have resulted from a personal dispute, larger regional forces could be at work. In two such scenarios, Syria could be using Al Ahbash to shake Hezbollah’s nerves, while Iran and Hezbollah could be looking for ways to threaten Syrian assets in Lebanon.–STRATFOR

Sometimes progress is bloody.

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“but I also believe the people protesting have a Constitutionally protected right to do so”

When did I say otherwise? But those of us who think it should be built ALSO have the right to protest against their intolerance. That knife ALWAYS cuts both ways. I have NEVER said they should not be allowed to protest. But I *do* say they should not be allowed to prevail.

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Saudi nationals and 9/11? I’m not out to pass judgment on the feds and what they did, but down here on the ground at my school, we certainly took the Saudis (and our other Arab and Muslim little ones) into protective custody under special conditions…until their parents could get there to take them home…

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josef nix

I think I understand your 6:44

Sen Reid strikes me as taking his position for election advantage.

Howard Dean’s staking out the “I’m not Obama” ground and is challenging Muslims to talk about feelings and voice understanding of the other position, just as many on the Left challenge those opposed to do (although as RW pointed out, portraying all those opposed as right wingers is completely inaccurate).

Ms USA’s pressing for a bit of understanding from Muslims, I think.

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Another ploy of the left to make Gingrich the enemy. Newt is not the enemy, Bookman, as much as you would like to make him so. So when does the Newt bashing begin? Is it today or when he becomes more of a threat? You were pretty successful with Palin and her family. Now that the Palin ;posts seem to be over, or would it seem that way, the Newt ones will begin in earnest. The more you fear someone, and the less you have to say that is credible about them, the rhetoric gets more heated, you stir up your liberal cohorts and the fun begins. Bring it on…. Newt will give NPR, your liberal blog and the rest of America a good look at what is really going on and it scares you to death, doesn’t it? First, November when we castrate Bozo…. then 2012 when America reclaims it’s birthright. If he ran today, he would trounce Bozo and you know it. Let the left bashing begin!!!!!

Gingrich/Patraeus
2012

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“/tag you’re it”

Please point out, specifically, where that quote from me advocats not allowing the protestors to protest. I’ll be patient…but I won’t hold my breath.

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Well of course bigots like Gingrich are playing into the hands of the terrorists — they are no better themselves. Fear mongers like Gingrich need exactly that — fear, because they need the support of those Islamaphobes like Scout for support in their mad dreams of power. They can’t win politically no other way — certainly not on character or their ideas on things that really matter.

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Doggone/GA,

It doesn’t and I was pretty clear, I thought, when I started by saying “I hope you’re not…”

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paleo

I could cite surveys, but they pretty much hate us ’cause we’re over there where they want their caliphate to be.

of course, the fact we say women are equal to men, everyone has the right to pick their religion and we can say pretty much anything we want doesn’t make us too popular, either.

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PAUL

Reid and Dean are politicians who’d sell their mama’s down the river for political advantage…Miss USA is not really that different from them in that it’s all a beauty contest from the get-go and she, too, knows where her bread is buttered…it’s a feeding frenzy and the Cordoba Center is the bait…

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josef nix

I’m still wondering, though, if the Muslim leaders said “as a gesture of good will with our fellow Americans and to emphasize our condemnation of terrorism, we are moving….”

if that wouldn’t be an incredible dam-buster.

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Lefties here in a DaLorean with the flux capacitor set for 60 or so years ago:

“We can’t invade Normandy because we’ll just create more Nazis.”

“We can bomb Hiroshima because we’ll just create more Kamikazes.”

Muslims can build their mosque at ground zero legally, but in doing so they thumb their noses at us.

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Finn

I think that brawl was just teenagers being teenagers. I saw stories that lauded the fact that they fought with fists and feet and not knives or firearms. They said that was, in itself, an improvement over past behaviors.

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“if that wouldn’t be an incredible dam-buster”

I don’t think it would. All that would happen is that they would be “found guilty” of giving in to the “war against Islam” – thus giving the radicals a hook to hang their hatred hat on.

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You liberals tout the majority only when it meets your needs. When the numbers don’t go your way, the majority is the enemy, isn’t it? We are a Republic where the majority does not always make the “right”decisions, unless it meets your needs. Bozo won by 52% and that was an example that “America had spoken”. But when Pelosi’s, Reids, and Bozo’s numbers are in the tank and the majority of Americans have spoken out, these polls are just numbers that the wingnuts have conjured up to prove a point. When the majority of Americans disapprove of Bozocare, your hackles are raised. “How could they disagree with us? This is just the uneducated, unsophisticated,non-elitist mass that really should not have an opinion”. “We can make all the decisions that you need for your future. Why is that not so hard for you to understand?”. The pathetic thing about this whole thing is that you really believe this bulls**t.

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War on terror? Who’s winning? Anyone keeping score? Last I checked… we’ve created MORE terrorists around the world and terrorist attacks went up dramatically after we invaded Iraq.

I mean…what are boys like Sahid, or Muneeb who live in Iraq going to do when they become men? Little boys who saw their fathers, uncles, and older brothers beat in front of them in their own home? Little boys who watched daddy get taken away never to return… what happens to that little boy? Does he grow up with a positive view of the USA? What happens when those little boys see the comments of Newt and the Queen of all Quitters on Al Jazeera?

The building will be built… and one day it will simply be another place you walk right on by in NYC without paying attention to it… the right is rallying their base and they found their “fear” issue to scare their faithful to the polls. I mean Allah forbid they actually campaigned on an issue like the ECONOMY and their plan for CREATING JOBS… but since they have none… scary Muslims and Mexicans will have to do.

Stay tuned for the 2012 update when they turn it up a notch again….

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Paul, agreed. I also agree with Normal, the are not Muslim terrorists, they are terrorists. al Qeada is a political organization, which uses religion to recruit, motivate, and raise operating capital. and ironically, Newt et al are using the same tactics. it’s so profoundly obvious it makes my head spin. the primary weapon of a terrorist is fear – “nobody is safe”. maybe “they hate us” because the neo-cons stole their playbook.

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“While I am certainly no fan of Newt by a l-o-o-o-ng shot and am certainly not out to defend him, that is exactly what this is ”

and I certainly don’t agree. Go back and re-read the posts here and see how often Newt’s name has come up. You’ll find it’s not very often at all. The subject is, as it should be, the fear-mongering of those banking on the protesters…not the opinion of one man.

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The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neo-conservative’s aggressive wars. ~Congressman Ron Paul, Republican – Texas

(ty webb, note Dr. P’s use of the term neo-conservative!)

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“I rather think no matter what we do the radicals will spin it as a victory”

Of course they will…and that is the best reason to not give in, in ANY way. We need to be firm in OUR principles and laws, and not weakly give in to theirs.

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We need to man up and move on.

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F. Sink, are you suggesting the Nazi war machine and imperial Japanese military are akin to al Qeada? are you suggesting WWII (anywhere from 30-50 million killed) has ANYTHING in common with the carefully crafted and micro-managed jobs program known as the “war on terrorism”?

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Doggone
I am not talking about the posts. I’m not talking about the thread.

PAUL

I would agree with Doggone on her response to that question, but I would add that to do so would go against the stated aim of the project to begin with…I suppose that it’s the Jew-f*g-Southerner-not yet married to an Indian in me, but there comes a point where you have to stand on the principles of equality, tolerance and not back down because you ARE, as Isaac Harby said, “a portion of the people.”

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If some people (who accuse Pres Bush of being a dunce) can’t understand cultural differences and the responsibility of the president to project understanding, and if they want to try to invoke a little gaybashing into it

And if that dribble even remotely resembled anything that was said, then you might even have a valid point to make. But…

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Paul, yes WE means the USA…. since late 2001.

You can’t fight a “war or terror” and fight terrorism with conventional warfare. How does that change the minds of the terrorists? How does that not simply help them recruit more and more of them?

Just because I’m liberal does NOT mean I agree 100% with any and all this administration does. I pity those on the left or right who simply applaud any and every move their party makes simply because of their affiliation. I know many on both sides who will enter a voting both and just look for all the d’s and/or r’s and vote for those people on the ballet while not knowing ONE thing they stand for.

I’ve ALWAYS said from day 1…the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were a 100% waste on any and all levels. Not one good thing has come because of them…. they’ve cost too much…too much money and WAY too much when it comes to lives lost and families ripped apart at their very core.

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Paul… Your 7:23 is not reality. If the zoning is proper, then it does not matter whether it is a strip club or church. If the authority is withdraw after granting, usually there is a lawsuit and not just someone moving on. Time and time again those who are against a “strip club” that complies with zoning have lost. Equal protection and equal rights.

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Doggone,

“The opinion of one man”….. seems like our host has begun the bashing by calling Gingrich an extremist. During the next few weeks, the Gingrich bashing will being in earnest by Bookman and Tucker and the state controlled media. They will scour the net, sound bites, audio tapes, You Tube tapes….. anything that will make him look bad. They cannot bear to debate him because he is right more than he is wrong. No one wants to really debate him. Do you? So that failing, they vilify, demean and make him look like the Anti-Christ. I say again, if he ran tomorrow, he would beat Bozo hands down. And it scares the left into these demonic tactics that preserve, what, the worst President on record? Why do you defend people like Reid, Pelosi, Bozo and all his Czars? They are not worth saving and your ship is sinking. Ever wonder why?

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Damn, am I not a mind reader?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin…

“It is their sense that by doing this that Americans are going to alienate American Muslims to the point where even relatively moderate Muslims are going to be pushed into joining extremist movements like al-Qaida. They couldn’t be happier.”

kookman is a Muslim?

It does clear up alot of issues, just sayin…

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paleo,

“are you suggesting WWII (anywhere from 30-50 million killed) has ANYTHING in common with the carefully crafted and micro-managed jobs program known as the “war on terrorism”?”

Uh, the Japanese killed 2400 at Pearl. Muslims killed how many on 9/11?

So the radical muslims have to kill millions before they get your attention?

Typical leftie wimp.

But I mean that in a good way.

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josef nix

Watched a movie, once. One of those cultural sensitivity ones. Title is “What you are is what you were, when.” Your post illustrates that very will.

Read a Leonard Pitts column today about Mike Huckabee that illustrates that point. You might enjoy the column. A part:

The proximate reason I say that is his recent refusal to support a knuckleheaded idea being touted by many of his conservative brethren: altering the 14th Amendment to curtail illegal immigration. But I could have said it a few months ago when he sided with Arizona Hispanics who feared that state’s new immigration law could be used to profile them. I could have said it two years ago when he dissected the Jeremiah Wright controversy with a sense of nuance and compassion seldom found among conservatives when they speak of race.

“We’ve got to cut some slack,” he said, “to people who grew up being called names, being told you have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie, you have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant, you can’t sit out there with everyone else. … And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment, and you have to just say: ‘I probably would, too. In fact, I may have had more of a chip on my shoulder, had it been me.’”

I like Mike.”

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/08/23/2419950/mike-huckabee-is-more-interested.html

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The story might be even worse than that for Democrats. Everyone knows the public’s top issue is the economy. It has been since before Obama took office. So when the president and Democratic congressional leadership devoted a year to passing national health care, Republicans charged they were ignoring the public’s wishes. Now, when Democrats admit that Obamacare won’t cut costs or reduce deficits, they open themselves up to a more serious charge: they spent a year working on something that will actually cost jobs and make things worse.

They sprung the steel trap of idiocy upon themselves, once again.

They can’t help it!

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“The reason for having Gingrich in the headline is to collect him up in a google search for Republican extremists.”

Sure…but there’s nothing we, commenting here, can do about that. But we CAN make it clear to anyone who happens to read this…where we stand on the subject.

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We can always rely on good old Newt and his ilk to deliver our message in a most cost effective manner.

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Saul:

So in other words, you can’t empathize with the PTSS of others?

I’m happy for you, but what about your fellow New Yorkers? No grasp of their emotions?

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Okey Dokey…I guess PTSS isn’t that critical an issue for left-wingers. They’re a wishy-washy bunch fo’ sho.

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Inspiring Minds 7:25

(my post) [[If some people (who accuse Pres Bush of being a dunce) can’t understand cultural differences and the responsibility of the president to project understanding, and if they want to try to invoke a little gaybashing into it]]

(your post) “And if that dribble even remotely resembled anything that was said, then you might even have a valid point to make. But…”

Well, here’s what Matti wrote: “…when President CheneyBush..Saudi elites… Then continued kissing the behinds and faces of Saudi Royals, and holding hands, tiptoeing through the bluebonnets before lunch?”

To me, there was a remote resemblance between what I responded about a bit of gay stereotyping/bashing to what Matti wrote.

Saul Good 7:26
“You can’t fight a “war or terror” and fight terrorism with conventional warfare.”
Which is why we haven’t been doing that since before Gen Petraeus’s surge in Iraq. And why I’ve said most of the Army commanders in Afg and Iraq, and the CentCom commanders, and most of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, should have been fired.

Keep up 7:28

“Paul… Your 7:23 is not reality. If the zoning is proper, then it does not matter whether it is a strip club or church.”

You’ve never lived in an area where people didn’t want a strip club to go in, have you? Around here, there’ve been several successful blockings with no suits resulting. In one case it was actually proposed by the strip club owners to show community support.

Doggone/GA

{I don’t see the relevence of your example. The planned community center is not, in any way, comparable to a strip club}

They type of facility is irrelevant. The point I was making was, if something is legal to be built but the community opposes the local authority action.

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josef

You are plumb silly!!!!

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RF, I’ve always considered Ron Paul the perfect person to be the voice of reason in a sea of fake conservative rhetoric and pandering mental lightweights. Who else would it be? Boehner? McConnel? Delay? Frist? Saxby? W??? And as the nation so well knows, the list of recent Republican incompetents and corporate wh0res goes on and on and on and on. Which is true of the Dems as well.

Pathetic.

Like Nader he is brilliant. And like him, he has much courage.

Something OBVIOUSLY lacking on both sides of the aisle. He doesn’t, to paraphrase Todd Rundgren, “Need a bunch of political friends to feel like a real man.”

And they are both reviled for speaking out against the entrenched criminal protection rackets on Wall Street and in Washington. And for making sense…

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SoCo
@ 7:34

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F. Sink, and we won the war against Japan in less than 4 years. we’ve been “fighting the terrorists” for nine years. I’ll concede that we are “at war” with al Qeada, but I fail to see how this equates to “war with Islam”. here’s an idea, like those U.S. Marshalls stings they set up with faux Super Bowl parties to catch fugitives. why don’t we say; “you can build the mosque, but ONLY if it is a shrine to the al Qeada victory on 9/11, and ALL al Qeada terrorists have to attend the grand opening, including Ossam bin Laden.” heck, we can even temp them with promises we’ll bring all the guys already at GITMO. this type of fear-mongering has NO bearing on our war against al Qeada. as Ron Paul and others have noted, it is merely as sales pitch to keep the ill-fated “war on terrorism” jobs program in operation (”we have to fight them over there so they attack us over here.” you know, I’ve said this before, between the hard hats and the mob, and just the way things get done in NYC, this thing is far from a done deal. in addition, I was in NYC three weeks ago, and the main mouthpiece (Muslim real estate developer) is loving all this attention because he’s still seeking “investors”. oh, and I believe he owns the Burlington Coat Factory space, but Con Edison owns the adjacent property. Con Edison has “private property rights” too”. but at the end of the day, what do you fear? do you fear this place is going to become a staging ground for future al Qeada operations in the USA? do you simply fear “disrespect” for 9/11 families in particular and Americans in general. it was noted that Muslim Pentagon employees (civilians and military personnel) have access to a chapel where they pray, including a weekly service lead by an Imam.

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Mick,

So why do we even have elections? The majority decides these events and they are touted as our most important duty as citizens, the right to vote. Prop 8 was decided by the voters in California and put to a vote for a reason. I am not a California citizen and have no right to decide their issues but they do. Why put it on the ballot if the appellate of three is to decide rather than millions of people in California? And the vote was 2/1, failing by only one vote. How does that make the California feel about their country when some judge can defy the will of the people. You liberals got pretty upset in 2000 when Gore won the popular vote (translated…. majority) and was denied the presidency by some Florida Atty General, the SCOTUS, and that archaic Electoral College. Scream when it doesn’t meet your opinions, cheer when it does. The good old American way.

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btw @@… as far as PTSS… we were not attacked by MUSLIMS on 9-11…we were attacked by TERRORISTS. Were they Muslim…sure? But they were terrorists who were part of a terrorist organization.

I mean…can I “assume” (by association) that you are a domestic terrorist in the likes of Scott Roeder simply because you and he are both Christians? Of course I would never assume such a thing…so why do so many of you “assume” that all Muslims hate and want to kill Americans? Where does that come from? Can you not separate the terrorist organization from the religion? There are between 1-1.5 billion Muslims around the world…if they all wanted to kill Americans…THEN we’d have a problem on our hands to deal with…. but that’s simply not the case now is it?

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josef

I was wondering if anyone was gonna take that plunge.

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F. Sink, if anyone is weak (”wimpy”) it is those who allow the irrational fears (and self-serving fear-mongering of politicians) to trump their “faith” in the Constitution. I don’t know that we the People enjoy true freedom, but the freedoms we enjoy can never be taken by terrorists. they can only be taken by Americans (Patriot Act, etc.)

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Doggone/GA

“If the owner of the proposed facility caves in to that pressure, that is their problem. They should never be “legally” compelled to cave.”

Corporate sponsors responding to MediaMatters pressure following the Dr Laura remarks?

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If Islam is further discredited by making the building of the mosque the issue, then the false justification for our wars in the Middle East will continue to be acceptable. ~Congressman Ron Paul, Republican – Texas

BINGO! We have a winner! (Or is it that we’re all the losers?)

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Paul: “I think there are an awful lot of religious folks out there who quietly go about their lives, trying to do the right thing, not impose on anyone, donate time and money to charities and generally get on with life.”

Well same goes for me being vegan and then there being organizations like PETA. I don’t get in anyone’s face nor do I try to change their hearts/mind. I feel living my life by example is the best way to show people just WHO I am and WHY I do what I choose to do (by becoming vegan)… but PETA has the idea that if they get in your face and shout at you…that you’ll gladly join their cause…some have because of their tactics… most of not.

Same goes for loud mouth preachers of ALL religions….

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josef nix

Antagonize?

Me?!!?

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I don’t care what islamic fruitcakes think about the newt and his scallywags, I’m disgusted by the gop using gays,immigrants,muslims and minorities to push their hatred agenda in the name of christianity, they’ve misinterpreted jesus’ message of love, forgiveness and understanding…..

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Huh???

DNA tests reveal ‘Hitler was descended from the Jews and Africans he hated’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1305414/Hitler-descended-Jews-Africans-DNA-tests-reveal.html#comments#ixzz0xa9nYXUX

The point? I always chalked his insanity up to being the product of incest, although the distance in relations were far enough not to be a contributing factor.

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“BINGO! We have a winner! (Or is it that we’re all the losers?)” –AmVet – August 24th, 2010
7:57 pm

I’ll bet that is the ONLY thing AmVet – and fellow libs – agrees with on Ron Paul, the staunch small/limited government Libertarian.

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“I was thinking that was the gist of what you were trying to say. I could be wrong.”

SC–You’re welcome to speak on my behalf anytime. I trust your judgment that much. In fact, if I get the job in Columbus tomorrow, I likely won’t be able to blog much. I’m sure @@ and RW will be heartbroken…..

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Paul, EXACTLY (non-terrorist religious people), and this includes the majority of Muslims. and by “majority” I mean, there are beytween 1.2 and 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide, and there were 19 hijackers on 9/11. even if we estimaye al Qeada’s ranks at 20,000, that’s a tiny, tiny minority within the Muslim community. and sure, you’re going to get your shoe bombers and your underwear bombers (both were caught, and are currently in U.S. custody), but the connection between al Qeada and Islam is ginned up by neo-cons for political purposes (not national security). I am not diminishing the importance of effective and well-planned counter-terrorist and intelligence operations, I am simply wondering how the invasion of Iraq and opposition to a mosque in lower Manhattan dovetail with counter-terrorism?

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Patriot faker…. If the Imman is so radical why did Beck embrace him, why has he been featured as a moderate on Fox…why does the 2d largest shareholder of Fox fund him….And despite your false claims and lies…the KKK can have an office next to the NAACP, the Japanese have offices and cultural buildings in Honolulu and the NAZIs can build next to the Holocaust musuem provided they meet applicable laws. A mind is a terrible thing to waste….and ignorance does not make you a patriot.

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Paul

I kinda have to side with Doggone on your 8:06 post. For instance, Jay could call for us to boycott something. If we don’t agree with Jay, what are the odds of Jay’s boycott being successful. It’s all up to the people whether or not any type of boycott will be successful.

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Saul:

My understanding is that PTSS can be triggered at the mere site of one who looks like the enemy– visuals, sounds, smells, environment. I don’t know that I’d go so far as to compare it to a war zone, but then Osama Bin Laden did, along with terrorists who “just happened” to be Muslims.

I really wouldn’t know, but if New Yorkers claim to be suffering from it, who am I to deny them?

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SoCom

I read Doggone/GA as saying MM doesn’t have any power, that it was the customers who happened to agree with MediaMatters.

I think it’s a tad different when you have a group organizing and sustaining a boycott or other action, especially when those ‘customers’ are people who don’t listen to the show or support the product of the sponsors.

paleo

Too late for that – about to sign off.

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Look folks this one about the Nazis and the Holocaust Museum is not at all the same thing and I, personally find it rather disingenious…now if you want to make the comparison with the Carmelite convent at Auschwitz, perhaps…

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The Patriot @ 7:48 – well said, and Amen.

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“I think it’s a tad different when you have a group organizing and sustaining a boycott or other action, especially when those ‘customers’ are people who don’t listen to the show or support the product of the sponsors”

But you are discounting the effect of people who read MM, who disagree with them, and who SUPPORT those advertisers instead of boycotting them.

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A dead horse, a dead horse……….my kingdom for a dead horse!!!

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“You’ll get that gig. Just make sure to pack enough funk for the road depending on where you’re driving from.”

If you haven’t tried it yet, SC, XM radio is the best thing going. For a little more than $10 per month, you can listen to funk, rock, jazz or whatever floats your boat anywhere you go. No commercials, no finding a new station every 60 miles when traveling. They even have a Grateful Dead channel!!!

For you, Billy Preston:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uzayWVRHlo

(You can’t see Billy much in the video, but can hear his distinctive keyboard chops)

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Doggone/GA

I think that’s a bit disingenuous, especially if people involved are MediaMatters followers, hate what Dr Laura stands for, are looking for a way to ‘get’ her and especially if they aren’t even users of the sponsors’ products.

As far as saying they have no power and it’s up to the people… A persons screams “FIRE” in a crowded theater, there’s a stampede and people die.

It’s not the screamer’s fault… had no power…. nothing would have happened if the listeners hadn’t decided to act…. it’s their own fault they died….

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’ll bet that is the ONLY thing AmVet – and fellow libs – agrees with on Ron Paul, the staunch small/limited government Libertarian.

And I’ll bet the casino owners drool when you show up.

The point is that I’ve read a great deal about Ron Paul, and said in public that other than McCain he was the only man among those 10 GOP candidates in 2008 for POTUS worthy of my vote.

B, probably because it’s just a plain old fashioned killer song. One of the best of its day. The kind you and I both love! Thanks.

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Bruno

XM is the shizzniittt!!!!! I have it in the house (directv) and one vehicle.

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Bruno

They offer lifetime subscriptions for six easy payments. If you have a portable or a car you keep forever, it’s worth looking into. They don’t list it on their site, you just have to call and ask.

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Dang! Look at that stock market. If it drops another ten percent, I might have to put some more money to work.

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To the Patriot: (a perfect example of Mark Twain’s definition of a patriot: “the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about.”

Rauf is pluralistic adherent of Sufism, which is frequently attacked by extremists. Historian William Dalrymple wrote in an August 16 New York Times op-ed that “Feisal Abdul Rauf of the Cordoba Initiative is one of America’s leading thinkers of Sufism, the mystical form of Islam, which in terms of goals and outlook couldn’t be farther from the violent Wahhabism of the jihadists.” Dalrymple further stated that “such moderate, pluralistic Sufi imams are the front line against the most violent forms of Islam.” Dalrymple added that “Sufi leaders risk their lives for their tolerant beliefs” and went on to list several recent attacks on Sufis by the Pakistani Taliban.

Rauf: “I am a supporter of the State of Israel.” The New York Times noted on August 21 that Rauf “is often described as having refused to call Hamas” a “terrorist organization.” When asked about the Hamas designation in a radio interview, Rauf stated:

Well, I’m not a politician. … The issue of terrorism is a very complex question. … I am a bridge builder. My work is … I do not want to be placed nor will I accept a position where I am the target of one side or another. My attempt is to see a peace in Israel. … Targeting of civilians is wrong. It’s a sin in our religion, whoever does it. … I am a supporter of the State of Israel.

Rauf’s Cordoba Initiative states on its website: “Hamas is both a political movement and a terrorist organization. Hamas commits atrocious acts of terror. Imam Feisal has forcefully and consistently condemned all forms of terrorism, including those committed by Hamas, as un-Islamic.”

NY Times: Rauf is “pro-American within the Muslim world.” The New York Times reported on August 21 that Rauf “consistently denounces violence. Some of his views on the interplay between terrorism and American foreign policy — or his search for commonalities between Islamic law and this country’s Constitution — have proved jarring to some American ears, but still place him as pro-American within the Muslim world. He devotes himself to befriending Christians and Jews — so much, some Muslim Americans say, that he has lost touch with their own concerns.”

Rauf worked with FBI agents in 2003. The New York Daily News reported on March 11, 2003, (accessed via Nexis) that Rauf spoke to FBI agents “as part of an FBI effort to present agents who are the ground troops in the war against terrorism with a view of Islam that avoids stereotypes.” From the Daily News article:

In an office in lower Manhattan yesterday blocks from Ground Zero, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf talked about his Muslim beliefs to an unusual audience — a roomful of FBI agents.

“Islamic extremism for the majority of Muslims is an oxymoron,” he explained to the agents. “It is a fundamental contradiction in terms.”

Rauf — imam of the Masjid al-Farah mosque of Tribeca — was speaking as part of an FBI effort to present agents who are the ground troops in the war against terrorism with a view of Islam that avoids stereotypes.

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Rauf made clear Islam’s image has been distorted by radical fundamentalists who insist on strict adherence to their interpretation of the Koran and impose a fascistic order on certain countries.

“It can happen under any religion,” he noted.

He insisted Islam has a historic kinship with both Judaism and Christianity, a relationship of which not only Americans but many Muslims are unaware.

Rauf’s view of true Islam: Democracy, religious freedom, gender equality. In a June 5, 2009, Washington Post op-ed, Rauf praised Obama’s Cairo speech and wrote: “The question now is whether Muslim governments and warring factions can embrace the true meaning of Islam.” Rauf further stated that “[a]dherence to Islam would end indiscriminate firing of missiles from Gaza into Israel that kill innocents” and that “Islam supports democracy with government run by consent of the people”:

Religious freedom is at the core of Islam. The Quran expressly and unambiguously prohibits the coercion of faith because that violates a fundamental human right — the right to a free conscience. The Quran says in one place “There shall be no compulsion in religion.” And in another it says, “To you your beliefs and to me, mine.”

The Prophet Muhammad has been known as the first feminist. “The best of you are those who are best to their women,” he said. Gender equality is an intrinsic part of Islamic belief. The Quran makes no difference in the religious obligations of men and women and set the stage for women’s rights. Many of the limits placed on women in Muslim societies are due to local custom more than to Islamic teaching.

Feisal Abdul Rauf, the latest in a family line of imams, weaved through the crowd of chattering women, balancing four cups of coffee on a cardboard tray. Arriving at his table, where he was the only man, he passed the coffees around, wearing a sly grin.

The scene contrasted with popular notions of Islamic religious leaders clinging to antiquated gender roles, and Muslim women as sorely oppressed. A religious leader serving women may not be an image that comes to many minds either Muslims or non-Muslim.

Yet that’s exactly what happened this past weekend (Nov. 18-19), when close to 200 women from more than 20 countries gathered here for the Women’s Initiative in Spirituality and Equity. Their goal: to create an all-female Islamic council to advocate for women’s concerns, and fund women’s projects around the world, including scholarships to educate Muslim women.

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Rauf, the coffee-carrying imam, said patriarchy in the Muslim world is exaggerated and Muslim men are willing and able to accept women as equals. It’s just a matter of presenting them with women-friendly interpretations of Islamic texts, he said.

“Most Muslim men’s hearts are already there; what is needed is an explanation,” said Rauf, a New York City imam. “They know what is right. But they don’t have the Islamic arguments for it.”

Rauf said the Quran is replete with references to women’s equality. Islam’s Prophet Muhammad, whose ways Muslims try to emulate, sewed his own clothes, swept the floor and did other household chores, for example.

Time’s Ghosh: Rauf argues that “American democracy is the embodiment of Islam’s ideal society.” Bobby Ghosh of Time wrote on August 3 that “[t]he Kuwaiti-born Rauf, 52, is the imam of a mosque in New York City’s Tribeca district, has written extensively on Islam and its place in modern society and often argues that American democracy is the embodiment of Islam’s ideal society.” Ghosh further noted: “Since 9/11, Western ‘experts’ have said repeatedly that Muslim leaders who fit Rauf’s description should be sought out and empowered to fight the rising tide of extremism.”

Rauf, Khan formed organization to “meld Islamic Observance with women’s rights and modernity.” The New York Times reported on August 11 that Rauf and Khan “founded a Sufi organization advocating melding Islamic observance with women’s rights and modernity. After 9/11 they raised their profile, renaming the group the American Society for Muslim Advancement and focusing on connecting Muslims and wider American society. They spoke out against religious violence; the imam advised the F.B.I.; his wife joined the board of the 9/11 memorial and museum.”

Rauf argues that “the American political structure” is harmonious with Islam. In a December 12, 2005, article for The New Republic, Spencer Ackerman wrote that in contrast to “Europe’s growing Muslim culture of alienation,” Muslims in America are less drawn to extremism “because of a fundamentally American attribute: the mutually reinforcing creeds of pluralism and religiosity.” Ackerman also quoted Rauf:

Most Americans would be horrified by the notion that they live in a country that abides by Islamic law. But some American Muslim leaders contend that U.S. society is harmonious with Koranic injunctions without even trying. “America is positively, unabashedly religious,” enthuses Feisal Abdul Rauf, a New York-based imam. In his important 2004 book, titled What’s Right With Islam, Abdul Rauf contends that space for religiosity is essentially inseparable from American liberalism, codified in both the U.S. political system and the broader U.S. social compact: “Fully in keeping with the principles of the Abrahamic ethic, American religious pluralism was not merely a historical or political fact; it became, in the mind of the American, the primordial condition of things, a self-evident and essential aspect of the American way of life and therefore in itself an aspect of the American creed.” Drawing on hundreds of years of Islamic writings, Abdul Rauf makes the case that, by upholding the five conditions understood by Muslim legal scholars to constitute the good society — life, mental well-being, religion, property, and family — “the American political structure is Shariah compliant.”
Rauf: Muslims are fleeing to Western states that more compatible with Islamic principles. From a July 18, 2005, interview with the Australian Broadcasting Corp.:

RAUF: A century ago or more than a century ago the Chief Mufti in Egypt made a statement which was very well known in the Muslim world and among scholars of Islam even in the West.

On a visit to Paris and to France he returned and said that in France I saw Islam but no Muslims and in Egypt I see Muslims with no Islam. It’s a very important point for people to understand, both Muslims and non-Muslims.

The reason why Muslims are fleeing many of their societies to countries like Australia, western Europe, United States and Canada is because the societal mandates of an Islamic society and Islamic State is in fact the kind of structure of society that we see in Western societies – the ability of people to participate in issues of governance, issues of the economic wellbeing and economic pie are fundamental to Islamic principles of governance. [accessed via Nexis]

AND THIS:::::

Rauf has repeatedly condemned violence and “Muslim militants”

Rauf: “We condemn terrorists. We recognize it exists in our faith, but we are committed to eradicate it.” A May 21 New York Daily News article quoted Rauf stating: “We condemn terrorists. We recognize it exists in our faith, but we are committed to eradicate it.” He also stated: “We want to rebuild this community. … This is about moderate Muslims who intend to be and want to be part of the solution.”

Slate: Rauf has “denounced church burnings in Muslim countries … proposed to reclaim Islam from violent radicals.” An August 2 Slate.com article reported that Rauf “has denounced church burnings in Muslim countries, rejected Islamic triumphalism over Christians and Jews, and proposed to reclaim Islam from violent radicals such as Osama Bin Laden.”

NY Times: Rauf “condemns suicide bombings and all violence carried out in the name of religion.” A June 23, 2004, New York Times article reported that Rauf “condemns suicide bombings and all violence carried out in the name of religion.” The Times further reported that Rauf “meets regularly with Christian and Jewish leaders, not only to forge a common front but also to explain his belief that Islamic terrorists do not come from another moral universe — that they arise from oppressive societies that he feels Washington had a hand in creating.”

After 9-11, Rauf “categorically condemned suicide bombers.” A June 8, 2004, Newsday article (accessed via Nexis) reported: “Rauf has done little else since the terrorist attacks that pulled him from his mahogany pulpit in the shadow of Ground Zero. At the outset, he categorically condemned suicide bombers and, in fact, any violence committed in the name of religion.” The article further reported: “He also said that American policies ‘were an accessory to the crime that happened’ since they had armed a generation of jihadists to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan,” and quoted him saying, “Explaining is not justifying. … I want people to understand the things that have fueled terrorism, because if we address them, that’s how we eliminate terror.”

Rauf: “I can confidently assert that I am closer to my Jewish and Christian brothers here … than the Muslim militants carrying a narrow view.” According to a September 8, 2002, Denver Post article (from Nexis), Rauf told congregants at his Manhattan mosque: “I can confidently assert that I am closer to my Jewish and Christian brothers here a [sic] than the Muslim militants carrying a narrow view.”

Daily News: Rauf “has a long history of opposing radical teachings.” A May 21 Daily News editorial stated that Rauf “has a long history of opposing radical teachings and reaching out across religious lines to Christians and Jews. He leads a mosque in Tribeca, several of whose members were killed in the collapse of the World Trade Center.”

Rauf denounced “destructive” response from Muslim world to Pope’s controversial remarks about Islam. In 2006, Pope Benedict XVI quoted a Byzantine emperor’s statement that Muhammad preached “evil and inhuman” things, prompting sometimes violent protests throughout the Muslim world. The Pope later apologized for his remarks. When asked by Foreign Policy about the speech and the controversy, Rauf stated:

My first thought was deep disappointment that the Muslim world reacted in such a destructive way. The burning of churches and things like that are completely antithetical to the teachings and principles of Islam. While we may have our grounds for disagreeingand some of us may disagree stronglywith the remarks that the Holy Father quoted, and while it might be offensive, destruction was not warranted by Islamic thought or jurisprudence.

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To err is human, to forgive is divine. The need for an apology is less an issue than the duty and responsibility of religious leaders to be educated on other religions and to make sure we are responsible in what we say. One of the cardinal rules of interfaith dialogue is that we should not judge the best of our traditions against the worst of another. There are episodes of history in the Catholic Church, like during the Inquisition, which Muslims cannot regard as normative to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Neither should certain actions taken by certain Muslims be judged as normative of the faith of Islam.

And don’t forget that one of the biggest funders of the islamic center is Fox News’ 2nd biggest shareholder. Who’s funding terrorism? Is it FOX?

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“The supercharged debate”

anything to get it away from obama/dems continuance (sic) of sitting on hands.

whatever…

bookman was in the woods too long.

Yeah, yeah, follow Evan F. Kohlmann:

assume asskissing position:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dniVqDTwOds

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What part of the Constitution don’t Republicans understand?

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“Dang! Look at that stock market. If it drops another ten percent, I might have to put some more money to work.”

Get your wallet ready, then, TaxPayer, because more bad news about the economy is about to come out the rest of this week which is guaranteed to send it in a tailspin. I don’t see much hope until November when the anti-capitalist Dems will be thrown out on their fat asses.

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I thought neocons only ate freedom fries…

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I think XM radio is the best thing since biscuits and gravy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQhVRWYxRt4

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Good Fight – let’s let about a week go by and see if you are singing the same tune on the Imman.

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My normal XM channels are 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 13, 14, 34, 40, 46, 49, 50, 60, and 74. Reckon I have a low boredom threshhold?

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Don
@8:31

I almost scrolled past this post due to its length. I’m glad I didn’t. Thank you for taking the time. I would suggest that anyone seriously interested in this topic read what you posted. Again, thank you.

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Paul

Not to change the subject, but what’s going on in El Paso???

In a letter to President Barack Obama after the City Hall shooting, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott said it was “good fortune” that no one was injured and insisted the shooting was evidence of the need for more border security.

“It’s time for Washington to stop the rhetoric and immediately deploy a significant force of personnel and resources to the border to protect our homeland,” Perry said.

Are they asking for troops to serve as a ballistic wall between the city and Mexico? I’m not understanding the rationale for asking for troops. If the shooting is in Juarez and errant munitions are entering El Paso, what will federal troops do? Return fire?

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good fight…
Have a problem with that spelling myself…my daughter-in-law’s name is Iman!

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Don’t forget 8:35 the “no way, no how “quote was
from sherman who burned Atlanta to the ground.

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Josef nix,
(re: your 8:43)was that a Bowie reference?

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Great song pick @ 8:37, HD (our own Paul McCartney)!!

Wings Over America was one of the first albums I ever bought. Here’s another great song from that album:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbSV1SfboKk

The first 45 I ever bought was “Traces of Love” by the Classic IV back in ‘69.

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Don’t Forget,

I heard the same interview. Doesn’t keep me from hoping. Can you imagine a Gingrich/Patraeus ticket? He probably feels that way now but who knows?

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One more from Wings Over America dedicated to josef nix:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWrGSa-Asdk

You’re always amazing, jo…….

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Mick,

You are my grandson’s namesake. I do my laps in the morning, about 6:00AM. No waterskiers, wake boarders, bass boats, etc.

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frog

Sssshhh…we’re not supposed to mention Sherman here…

ty

Didn’t think about that…no, she really is named Iman! We have a lot of fun at Christmas with the Christian branches of the family! Last year she put on her hijab, I donned my kippah and we were going looking for Baby Jesus…we were hauled in by the Christians before we “caused a scene…”

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Too… much… okra… from garden. I wish the corn had done better but that’s they way it goes.

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oops! meant to say coming.

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Aahhh, Recovery Summer is right on track-

“At this point in the recovery, every little bit counts,” said economist Paul Dales of Capital Economics. “A double dip in the housing market and house prices would not be enough to generate another recession. It would certainly help to hold back the recovery.” He expects home prices to fall another 5% after a 30% decline during the recession.

They’re killing us, softly, with taxes…

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Hillbilly
Mama used to call me Richard Corey–as a warning!

Bruno
And there I was, feeling all warm and fuzzy after that dedication and then you had to go and accuse me of sucking up to Yankees! Rest assured, however, if I ever speak well of the invading Mongol infidel horde, it IS because I mean it!!! Seriously, though, I like Jersey and I mean it when I say if I were ever forced into exile up there, it would be there I’d choose…real people and some of the most beautiful scenery in the country…

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LOL @ josef–As we say in Jersey, you’re one cool mofo.

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Jay bashing Republicans?

What next? Limbaugh bashing liberals?

Yawn.

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“Yawn”

Must be beddy-bye time

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“They had better turn into 4th of July celebrating”

Do you show the same bigotry towards Jehovah’s Witnesses? They don’t celebrate public or private holidays, not even birthdays.

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Well! The Bruin’s here! Welcome back, you ole rabble rouser and hope you had a good time with the boys…

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Bruno,

I hope you get your job, mainly so you’ll quit telling us how good you are at it yet can’t find work. Whether you blog or not is meaningless to me.

Didn’t you say something earlier about the true quality of someone who feels the need to tell you how good they are at something? Maybe that’s the problem.

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Bruno :

The kind of Muslims you are talking about don’t set well with their orthodox friends. They came here to be free and if they want that for their grandchildren they had better wake up and get on board.

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JAY
Glad to hear it! We had a pretty good time in your absence, too. Convey our thanks to Kyle and, yes, we DID have Friday night despite Paul’s and the baby sitter’s best efforts…

Bruno
I really do wish more folks would get to know our Muslim fellow countrymen…run the gamut in opinions and viewpoints like the rest of us…

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Bruno

I hate cutting okra. Stuff itches like crazy. Tomatos I don’t mind and since huckleberries grow all over the place here, I never have grown any blueberries. Beans and peas can work you to death on a good year. If you keep them picked, they’ll keep bearing for a long time. I’m eating watermelons every meal, here lately.

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“Well, we lived in a cardboard box at the bottom of the lake!”

At least you had a box. Snob.

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For Josef (at the bottom of the lake)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

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Jay:

“And Scout, they ARE on board.”

Now “that” (with very, very few exceptions) is laughable.

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Jay,
What about the fish? Cutthroats? Rainbow’s? Steelhead?

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Doggone/GA :

“You’re a bigot willing to brand a whole religion as evil for the sins of a few.”

I don’t have a problem with a lot of rednecks but I have a problem with white supremists.
I don’t have a problem with a lot of Catholics but I have a problem with the Roman Catholic Church.
I don’t have a problem with a lot of Holy Rollers but I have a problem with poisonous snake handlers.
I don’t have a problem with a lot of Mormons but I have a problem with polygamists.
I don’t have a problem with a lot of liberals but I have a problem with the Democratic Party.
I don’t have a problem with a lot of Muslims but I have a problem with Islam.

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HD– I was always sure to wear gloves when handling okra. I’m not sure if blueberries grow well in GA, but blueberries and cranberries thrive in the marshy soil of South Jersey. The acidic soil is perfect for tomatoes and peppers as well. I tried to grow watermelons one year in my back yard, but the growing season is too short. I ended up with melons that were about 3″ in diameter. Just for kicks, I served them for dessert one evening, with about 1/3 of a bite for everyone.

To be honest, I think you would feel right at home in South Jersey. We were the “rebels”.

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Bruno:

I “reached out” to a lot of them in my law enforcement career.

If you only knew.

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Oh BS! Our extremists are mostly progressives like Bookman and his buddies. This piece is just nonsense…like much of what passes for commentary from Jay Bookman.

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Bruno

August 24th, 2010
9:48 pm
I’m not sure if blueberries grow well in GA,

I think they grow well just about everywhere. I know they do well in S. Georgia and mine are doing fine in E. Tennessee. I know they do well in Michigan and I had some nice ones from Fla earlier this year.

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Matti:

Are you out there? Are you making that trip to Paris and Amsterdam?

Just remember, there are some places you can’t go for your own safety ……. unless you disguise yourself in a burka.

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Enter your comments here

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“I “reached out” to a lot of them in my law enforcement career. If you only knew.”

Scout–I can appreciate your feelings based on your experiences. I hope you are intelligent enough to understand that a career in LE is going to bring you in contact with the worst of the worst. Which is why I chose a career in health care rather than going to work for the defense industry as an engineer like so many of my college friends did.

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Why Jay, a cut’n'paste. How Tucker-esque of you!

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Tyrelle Harris, who was part of the Derek Lee deal, pitched 5 innings tonight for the Tennessee Smokies (AA). 3 hits, no runs, no walks and 5 strike outs.

Nate McLouth is having a good night at Gwinnett. 1 for 3 with a walk and a stolen base, so far. I always admired his hustle and I hope he gets his game together and gets back to the Big Leagues.

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jo–Since you indulged me with a Lennon song, I’m going to indulge myself with one more. I always identified with JL, maybe due to the turmoil he faced as a youth. I’m sure you’re aware that he had no dad, and his mother was killed by a drunk-driving off-duty police officer.

Here’s the song he wrote in honor of his mother:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0shbwip_sI

(Sorry if it brings anyone down)

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“Now, they can call me a bigot also”

Since you’ve already self-identified as such…there’s no need for anyone else to do it.

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Scout, the answer is – that same “Moderate” Immam they seem to be soo proud of.

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JohnnyReb:

Excellent !!!

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JohnnyReb:

I assume you also know that the Koran allows Muslims to lie and use deceit as long as it furthers the cause of Islam against the infidel.

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“You insinutated I hated all Muslims. Just setting you straight.”

That may be how you interpreted it, but I didn’t. What I DID do is identify your FEAR of them. You make me think of a woman who has been raped and who is forever more afraid of ALL men.

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Doggone/GA:

Well then you have it wrong.

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Doggon/Ga.

Please see my 10:01. Who said that?

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“Please see my 10:01. Who said that?”

I don’t know who said it…nor do I care.

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Scout,
What was the context of those statements?

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Alright, Doggone, I don’t think I’ve ever dedicated a song to you on the blog. Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaLfDnShEn0

Keep on keeping on!!

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P.S. to Don’t forget:

It’s funny (not really) how liberals always want to fall back on context but they would never give a conservative that manuever.

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Scout:

Maybe, but it ain’t none of your business, tough guy.

The arabs are a little different than the gooks.

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j$:

You like using those pejoratives I see.

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And for you, my newest blog brother, DF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvFeU9hQjVA

Even though I chose Jerry to burn into my skin, JL is in my soul.

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Scout

August 24th, 2010
10:14 pm
Don’t forget:

No context that will satisfy me. If it walks like a duck ………………………

I think it’s a fair question Scout, or have we forgotten Mrs. Sherrod already.

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Doggone/Ga:

“and not giving in to unreasonable fears”

That’s good. There are those that are out there risking and even sacrificing their lives for you so you can feel just that way ………. and you’ll never meet them or know what they did on your behalf.

They’re out there right now ……… here and abroad ………. so sleep well.

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Chill Scout.

A beautiful song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dHUfy_YBps&feature=related

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sorry Bruno, a beat behind…

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“Pali* has it right — grow some gon*ds lefties. If America hating bast*rds like al-Qaida continue to want war, let’s show them hell.”

Last time I heard we’ve spent a few trillion playing right into Osama’s hands. What have we got to show for it? On the other hand he dropped a little chump change on 911 and hit the jackpot. The US playing “tough” is the gift that keeps on giving for Bin Laden. Could one be cynical enough to believe that it might be a gift to interests here as well…

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The Thin Guy:

Don’t do that !!! I spit half my coke out ! LOL! LOL!

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“Sure ……… you’ve been right there in the trenches and “seen the elephant” so you must surely know with all of that experience”

No, I haven’t. Woman were not allowed to serve in combat positions when I was young enough to do that if I had been a man. But I’m capable of learning from the experiences of others, and my Father served in Europe in WW2. And from your experience, just how many times did YOU give in to unreasonable fear during combat?

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I dare any of you Fox worshipers to watch Jon Stewarts show from August 23rd. You ain’t got the guts.
thedailyshow.com

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“That’s good. There are those that are out there risking and even sacrificing their lives for you so you can feel just that way ………. and you’ll never meet them or know what they did on your behalf. They’re out there right now ……… here and abroad ………. so sleep well.”

Scout–What I think you are failing to appreciate is that we all have a role to play in this world. Your job was providing security. My job (and DF’s) is to help sick people get well. Josef’s job is to educate our children. Jay’s job is to stir up the you-know-what on the blog.

And as important as your job was, it’s not the only one that needs doing. Military societies have been tried, and all have failed because there’s more to life than that. I believe that’s why you don’t have more takers in your quest to get everyone else on board here to fear/hate Muslims. While you’re arresting them, DF and I are helping them feel better, joseph is teaching them, and Jay’s stirring their political pots.

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Gotta get up early…night all

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Duck Feal

August 24th, 2010
10:37 pm
“It will be far easier to
limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency ”

To bad the same can’t be said about the Bush presidency.

Jay, I nominate this as the best post of the night, lol.

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“Every country that fundamental Islam has control in is either plunging into civil war or on the edge of it. Their fight right now is to keep the image of control propped up, and it isn’t working.”

Which is my perspective as well, RF. We have to keep faith in the human spirit. The truth is that most of the world is corrupt and honest people barely stand a chance in most societies. We just have to keep moving forward here in the USA and lead by example. Which is why I’m tremendously disappointed in my fellow conservatives for suggesting we trash our Constitution simply because other societies aren’t as free as we are. To me, the best way to stick a thumb in their eyes is to do the opposite.

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Wow, great tribute video Bruno. It mentioned all the things I liked about the guy.
Gotta go. Good night all.

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cliche’ fo sho.

but words to live by:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5H-6fOc3HE

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ok, bruno,

http://irocksowhat.blogspot.com/2010/07/in-land-where-river-runs-free.html

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well, if they can’t find the”river runs free” link ^^above^^ then they can find this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zbuv6pcseA

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Gingrich an extremist? Compared to who? Nancy Pelosi? I vehemently disagree. The people in power now are the extremists. It’s obvious to a majority of Americans. Enough is enough.

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Scout, does it feel better to grease some gooks or some sand fleas?

hell, i’d like to mount scout on top of our humvee and let him do some target practice with some real shti…

I greased like probably 18, hell, maybe 50 or more of those f’ing sand fleas. hard to tell. so be it…

how bout you scout?

the gooks….. f them.

for every gook you greased, you saved at least 2 of your boys.

so,if you greased 18 of those f’ks, 32 of your boys come home….

thankyou.

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The libs have found the home planet!

GENEVA — Scientists say they’ve discovered five, six, or maybe seven planets orbiting a sun-like star more than 100 light-years away. -Urinal

Moonbats!

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Bruno – by the by – VERY well said in your 10:34

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“Petroleum-eating bacteria”

gah. yet another reason I don’t swim in the ocean. things that bite. things that sting. things that eat oil.

swimmin in all that just ain’t natural.

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dB – “that nobody seems willing to call the community center what the developers have chosen to call it”

well, Jonah “doughy pantload” Goldberg has called it the Muslem Niketown … does that help??

http://www.salon.com/news/islam/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2010/08/24/goldberg_idiot_bias

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“doughy pantload”…too funny! (and appropriate)

mornin’ USinUK!

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JUST ASK JAY ! THERE ARE NO LIBERALS AND CONSERVATIVES, ONLY PROGRESSIVES AND EXTREMISTS !

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Barney Frank and Chris Dodd made all those folks buy houses they couldn’t afford, then got them fired?

Really?

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okay, Saul … look up T B o g g at Firedoglake – and then look for his post about the worst. person. evah. list “attention deficit disorder”

I’ve tried posting the frickinfrackin link 3 times, but the borg won’t let me

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“doughy pantload”…too funny! (and appropriate)

and a long running term of non-endearment.

Here’s a 2007 ref, but it goes back farther than that.

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dB – thanks – I should have used (TM) next to it!!

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Will do in a little while…just started feeding time for the herd here at Uni-Bomber Acres!

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Bruno, born in Pateson, NJ (Passaic County). Grew up in the Haledon/Prospect Park area. Scout, I disagree with JB, your self-descrined anti-Muslim bigotry is not “tiresome”. in fact, it enlightening, given your time in law enforcement. like fundamentalists of any calling, your eye see things as black or white, no shades of grey. Christian or non-Christian (saved or not), good or bad; guilty or not guilty, good or evil. you have never “seen” or sought to locate a “good Muslim” (as josef or Bruno have), so you cannot consider the possibility “good Muslims” exist. you keep regurgitsating that John Adams screed from 200 years ago, which I guess is the source of your “belief” – just as you cite a 2000 year-old book to support your spiritual beliefs. I guess it makes sense, as a Marine and Johnny Law, you take orders without question, but there is a whole world outside the herd, and until you realize the true danger of al Qeada AND the neo-cons is, they want to keep us in herds (to be either exploited or slaughtered), you will continue to be guided by fear/bigotry as opposed to confidence and understanding (and I don’t mean Kumbya understanding. we don’t have to “like” everyone, the only “assimilation” required in the USA is “legal”. as I said, it’s not the same in Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan, which is why MANY America Muslims have come to the US (gee, where have we heard that before?).

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Oh, and Scout? This pussified comment of yours, from downstairs:

Lots of people on here just like Obama ……….. secretly you despise the military and could care less about their deaths.

Names, Scout. Come out and say who, among the regulars here at Bookman’s blog, “secretly despise the military” and who don’t care about the deaths of our servicemen and women.

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some folks really need to lay off Jimmy Carter. any open-minded research (like for example, that liberal rag; The American Conservative) will peg him as ‘neutral’ at best/worst. I don’t spend my time ranking Americans, and I am not a liberal or defender of liberals, but I’d think the aforementioned Barney Frank. Chris Dodd, and Charlie Rangel are wallowing in the muck far below Carter. it’s very simple; the two biggest claims against Carter were foreign policy; specifically the Iran mess. the mess in Iran was in play long before Jimmy took office (see: CIA coup during Eisenhower administration, and of course, ever-present oil politics). in fact, Carter warned of the perils of dependence on Middle Eastern oil and reluctantly IDd the Persian Gulf as “of strategic importance”. the other claim is double digit inflation, which we all know begain in the early 70’s during the Nixon/Ford years (helped by the first OPEC embargo in ‘73). Jimmy Carter (the President) did not set interest rates or 17% mortgage rates (see: Federal Reserve). were this the case, you Carter haters should be praising Obama because a 30 year mortgage is under 5%.

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So, your point that calling the Muslims “out” on planting the flag of victory near ground zero will foment more extremism is laughable. It is far more likely that giving them a “destination location” for what amounts to a shrine to a victory will give significantly more rise to it.

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upon following the terrorist money, it led to msnbc, cnn, abc, cbs, nbc, etc. also led to huff post, move on.

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Paleo – Pateson???

sounds an awful lot like Pakistan.

and we all knwo what that means.

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whatever you do … don’t anyone tell uhoh that there already IS a mosque a couple of blocks from the site of the world trade centers … not to mention, they’re building a community center, not a minaret.

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Normal – so is Alan! (as in Greenspan)

the plot thickens …

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al-qadea and the taliban have killed more muslims than anyone.

Well even if that were true (and it’s not–I’d imagine the respective leaders of Iraq and Iran were responsible for more deaths than either of those groups, given that over a million died in that 1980s conflict), that’s not even remotely the point being made in that scare-quote of Scout’s.

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today’s SAT-based terrorist comparison …

the Taliban is to Islam as
the IRA is to Catholicism.

…as Operation Rescue is to Protestantism

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the 9/11 terrorists are to Islam as
Timothy McVeigh is to disgruntled vets

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Morning all–Thanks for the Rumer selection, USinUK. I hadn’t heard of her, but she does have a smooth-as-silk voice. BTW, is your hubby a music aficionado like you? Either way, he’s one lucky SOB to land you…

“Grew up in the Haledon/Prospect Park area.”

I figured you for a North Jerseyian, PNC. The NY accent gave you away.

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“couching IT as saying”, I meant.

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Hey B-man!

I’m so glad you like her! I also have a recommendation for a young woman who sounds JUST. LIKE. Carol King (and plays the pianer like her, too). Both of them have totally blown my doors off!

Nope, the mister is not the music fan I am – but he is rather catholic (little-c catholic) in his tastes – right now, in his car, he has ABBA, Metallica and Johnny Cash.

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UnU

Funny you should bring up Catholics and the IRA. I was reading this yesterday…

Britain’s Northern Ireland Secretary has issued a “profound” apology to the families of nine IRA bomb victims after the disclosure of a coverup that let the prime suspect evade justice.

An investigation into Father James Chesney, a Catholic priest thought to have been responsible for the bombing in the village of Claudy in 1972, was halted after secret talks between police, the Church and William Whitelaw, then Britain’s secretary of state for North Ireland. They feared the arrest of a priest would inflame the near-civil-war troubles.

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Normal – HA!

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What Scout and others fail to mention in their descriptions of Islam is that the “extremists” as they call them are better described as followers of Mohammed as opposed to followers of Islam. To describe it in Christian terms would be someone who follows Jesus as opposed to following G*d. One adheres to the teachings of the prophet or worldly leader, others follow the Supreme Being.

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Given all your lofty ideals, you don’t seem to have much faith in Muslims if you think they can be so easily turned, Bookman.

Let’s try this one more time.

There are a billion-plus Muslims out there. They are not monolithic. Some of them are fabulous human beings, some of them are thugs, some of them are scary-smart, some of them are dumber than Newt Gingrich after he’s pounded a quart of Jack’s.

Some of them are being goaded by the thugs into believing the worst about Americans because, well, some Americans are behaving like idiots about Park 51.

And it’s “Mister Bookman” to you. Also. Too.

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Bruno – 8:08 – criminey, I have a personal relationship with my husband, but that doesn’t mean I think that every other married couple should be just like us.

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UnU

I’m waiting on Scout to group all Christians based on the actions of a few. I won’t hold my breath or refuse food and water though. I enjoy living just a little too much right now.

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So when the invitation went out for this morning klatch, was Scout the theme?

(ISH)

Now ^^^ see…I put my own brand of smiley…that oughta make this post a welcome one.

Out to pull up the garden. That sucka’s done.

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Matti, the rabid right has amnesia about what you posted above, or they pretend it didn’t happened. Nobody seems to be aware that during the eighties when we were borrowing petro dollars- to lend credence to Mr. Reagan’s trickle down theory- from Saudi Arabia that Middle Easterners were allowed to literally whiz through the security procedures and basically fast tracked into this country. I was in the Air Force then in San Antonio, and they were everywhere. Some of them were neighbors of mine and were enrolled in aviation schools.

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Yeah, and South Park’s depiction of Mohamed (peace be upon him) in a bear costume probably did the same thing. I say let them build the thing simply because of private property rights. However, I do find the following two things interesting; 1) the Mosque supporters demand sensitivity while offering none of their own. 2) liberals are always concerned about past statements of Christian “leaders” but have no interest in the same from these Mosque creators.

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Saw where B and HD (among others?) were rockin’ it last night. Excellent…

Did Scout really write this despicable post? Lots of people on here just like Obama ……….. secretly you despise the military and could care less about their deaths.

Uh Oh. Looks like the old boy is finally drowning in the deep end. It often happens to the holier-than-thou types…

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My 16 year old son saw a liquor ad in the AJC 4 months ago and now he is a raging alcoholic-

Jay- I hold you personally responsible.

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look up the Omagh bombing and tell me how “patriotic” that is.

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Southern Comfort

August 25th, 2010
8:15 am

SoCo,
Would you consider the great Philosophers religious from their teachings?

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jt – “But the IRA does not equal the taliban or al-queada”

why? cuz they’re not bombing americans?

try learning a little about which you speak. they targeted and killed British civilians exactly like AQ targeted and killed Americans. they’re not a bunch of romantic, “Danny-Boy” singing patriots – they’re terrorist thugs.

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Jonathan

August 25th, 2010
8:22 am

I don’t believe it was Jay who gave him that addictive gene…

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Did Scout really write this despicable post?

Why yes. Yes he did.

And normally I’d just scroll past such a thing, but given that it seemed to be an indirect response to a post of mine, where I asked him if he thought the Israelis were similarly “inane” when they adopted a strategy somewhat similar to the current Administration’s regarding the announcement of withdrawals, I figured he was lumping me in with those unnamed folks who “secretly despise” the military. I’d just like for him to confirm it.

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USinUK

August 25th, 2010
8:27 am

Bravo!

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jt

It depends on your perspective. One would equate the two if you were the family of an innocent victim or a sympathizer who thinks what they’re doing is right and good for all.

Normal

I think many of them would fit in with almost any religion. The beauty of the great philosophers is that they delivered the same message as priests, ministers or other religious leaders without the religious context.

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they’re not a bunch of romantic, “Danny-Boy” singing patriots – they’re terrorist thugs.

and even that is probably given them more credit than they deserve. As I understand the IRA (and their UDA counterpart), they had become, by the latter part of the last century, really just a well-established Mafia-style protection racket, happy to maintain the status quo, not ideologically driven save for whatever kind of targeted killings of “proddies” they needed to keep these ancient ancestral quarrels alive.

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jt – “And I know, it doesn’t make it right.”

damned straight it doesn’t make it right. The British were dead wrong on the Bloody Sunday march – and they’ve finally (finally!) acknowledged it.

however, the IRA bombed civilians here – in pubs, in offices, using car bombs in city centers. Sometimes they called and gave a warning. many times they didn’t. in the case of Omagh and a couple of other bombings, they actually directed people to go to where the bomb was planted. in other situations, they would plant the bomb in a stairwell or other “safe place”, then call in the bomb threat, so that, when the bomb went off, it would kill the people who went to that supposed “safe place”

so, no. patriots they aren’t. not be a long effing shot.

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jt

August 25th, 2010
8:28 am

jt,
Great site…Thanks!

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Granny Godzilla and Southern Com-

Our official policy is that we didn’t keep statistics on the number of women and children killed in Iraq.

We attempt to in Afgan. They are often suspect.

Ya’ll have never been invaded. Don’t be so hypocritical.

Regardless, it isn’t right. It is just reality.

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People like Scout forget that in the months following 9/11, several news outlets and government building (post offices and the Capitol) were “attacked”. I believe the FBI thinks the attacks were the work of a (white, non-Muslim) civilian Army employee who worked at a bio-weapons lab in MD.

and oh, how they forget. They forget that the anthrax attacks were actually a lot more genuinely frightening to Americans at the time, because we all became paranoid about being randomly poisoned–a far creepier, tougher thing to combat than religious lunatics who hijack airline jets.

Love to stay and chat, but I gots to produce. Later.

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paleo-neo

“Paul, halfway through second bourbon…”

Then you’ve come to the right place, welcome! We’ve had some good discussions here regarding various bourbons. Jay’s favorite, if I recall, is Woodford Reserve. I finally found one I’ve been looking for for years – Black Maple Hill. Wow.

TaxPayer

“Too… much… okra… from garden. I”

Didja plant zucchini, too? Got any neighbors who irritate you? Just act like you’re doing something nice for them when you drop off a couple of bushels.

Morning, sfd

““We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than Al Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non-Muslim.”
Scout, does this quote bother you because it happens to be true?”

I believe the rest of Rahman’s quote says it was a result of the sanctions. Saddam bore a heavily responsibility for the deaths because of his decisions on how to allocate the resources he had.

Hi granny godzilla!

USinUK

“today’s SAT-based terrorist comparison …
the Taliban is to Islam as
the IRA is to Catholicism”

Not bad! But…. IRA are Catholics, but the terrorists aren’t ‘really’ Muslim, remember?

When I was traveling through N Ireland, and the Republic, I heard nothing but condemnation of the paramilitaries. I believe that’s quite the opposite of the feelings among a good part of the populace in several Arab countries.

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The Muslims attack us and Bookman tells us to behave or they will attack us again! Forget that.

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Paul – “Not bad! But…. IRA are Catholics, but the terrorists aren’t ‘really’ Muslim, remember?”

talk about your “cafeteria catholics” … I don’t remember hearing anything about it being okay to bomb innocent people during my 40 (mumble-mumble) years of attending mass … maybe I just went to one of those guitar-playing-folk-hymn-singing hippie churches …

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closer to home, did anyone catch the blurb about the rape of 2 14 year-old girls in Cherokee County? apparently (or allegedly, for the lawyers), these two girls met two older (18 and 19) men at a Christian youth group meeting. now, are we to “convict” ALL 18 and 19 year-old Christian males of rape, or should we not allow ANY 18-19 year-old Christian males to attend youth group meetings?

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“Jerry replied “We tried to sell out several times. Unfortunately, no one was buying”.”

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“The Muslims attack us”

Scout…is that you?

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Bruno

Yea , genius.

I believe the reason that I didn’t appreciate the Dead more in my youth is that I initially was exposed to their music with HORRIBLE sound quality bootlegs.

They have grown on me since, eventhough I prefer Sublime’s Scarlet Begonias cover over Jerry’s.

Don’t shoot me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cg2O4SsHQw

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Bruno: “Of course, one thing Kyle seemed to overlook is that Europe has never had a sterling record on the issue of tolerance (Crusades, Holocaust, ethnic cleansing in Bosnia).”

Bruno, Europe invented tolerance. It’s from Europe that we even have “tolerance” as an ideal. So we really can’t say that Europe has a poor record on it without also pointing this out.

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jay,

if “moderate” Muslims can be so easily manipulated into leaning toward extremism over this issue, then they need to get a grip and you need to stop helping it become a problem. it shows unstability to me. you keep spouting that the issue is due to hate. it is not. the issue is where they want the mosque. repeat WHERE. if America, as you like to slant toward, is at war with Islam, then how do you explan the hundreds if not thousands of existing mosques in the U.S.. would not the “war” and “hate” have stopped them. so your arguments don’t hold any water and you personally are fanning flames unnecessarily with your biased utterances. but you, when you don’t have sound logic on your side, turn to the lib tactic of “call it hate or bias or bigotry and we can scare them away”. shame on you!

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“the issue is where they want the mosque. repeat WHERE”

this COMMUNITY CENTER is 2 blocks away from the WTC site.

if that’s not far enough away (despite the fact that there already is a mosque a couple of blocks away), then how far away is far enough?

3?
5?
15?
the Bronx?

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jt

when were you invaded?

“burned our cornfields,
Left our cities leveled.

I can still see the eyes of those ,
blue-bellied devels”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Sc9Rsp2XM&feature=related

The second wave started with LBJ.

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jt

never. ok.

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“then how far away is far enough?”

As often as that has been asked recently, has anyone actually ever answered?

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People seem to forget that America can win the war on terror on any day it so chooses. The price of victory will be steep and will cause plenty of collateral damage to innocent bystanders, but it’s an option on the table. In 1945, we made the cost of pursuing aggression against American troops so horrific that the Japanese Emperor called an immediate cessation of hostilities and accepted unconditional surrender.

The difference between Islam’s extremists and our troops overseas is our willingness to engage in restricted combat while they fight by any rules they choose- it’s also what makes America great. The single greatest threat to American troops are IED’s, literally milk cartons stuffed with nails and gasoline. Used against civilians, we’d call it terrorism.

Do you really think that an under armed population with fewer combat troops can really resist the combined forces of the world’s greatest armies if those said armies were willing to claim victory at any price? Islam exists only because we allow them to, so let them build their “community center” we’re not afraid of them.

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The Crusades are history’s blueprints; they’re the forensic archeological proof that we exist on the planet. The Crusades are the collective DNA of our collective DOA. Every epoch had Crusades. When Man was still the third guy from the left on the evolutionary charts, “We” were killing each other over whether “They” cooked their pork or not, or whether They circumcized. We’ve always felt incensed over whether They chanted “Allah” or “Yahweh” over incense.

They. We. Man has been at war over pronouns and direct objects for as long as he could enunciate a curse. The internet has accelerated this evolution to light speed and, as Einstein predicted, we’ve gone backwards in time and are now perched as the second guy from the left on the evolutionary charts. Back to when we still had a thorax.

Here’s a new Psalm for you Christians: If we don’t encourage Islam to build a mosque on ground zero, then the victims of 911 will have died in vain, then the Gospels will have been spoken in vain, and then the terrorists will have won.

Amen.

Then we will truly be a chorus of insects who justify our existence on the planet by rubbing our hind legs together and making noise.

To my fellow man: use your legs to kneel once in a while. Try it, you’ll like it.

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