Our extremists – Gingrich, et al. – boost Islamic extremists

From NPR:

Experts worry the controversy surrounding an Islamic center near ground zero in Lower Manhattan is playing right into the hands of radical extremists.

The supercharged debate over the proposed center has attracted the attention of a quiet, underground audience — young Muslims who drift in and out of jihadi chat rooms and frequent radical Islamic sites on the Web. It has become the No. 1 topic of discussion in recent days and proof positive, according to some of the posted messages, that America is indeed at war with Islam.

“This, unfortunately, is playing right into their hands,” said Evan F. Kohlmann, who tracks these kinds of websites and chat rooms for Flashpoint Global partners, a New York-based security firm. “Extremists are encouraging all this, with glee.

“It is their sense that by doing this that Americans are going to alienate American Muslims to the point where even relatively moderate Muslims are going to be pushed into joining extremist movements like al-Qaida. They couldn’t be happier.”

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josef nix

August 24th, 2010
5:44 pm

“Our extremists – Gingrich, et al. – boost Islamic extremists”

And I would posit that in our own way, blogging hereabouts on this assigned theme, are doing our own little share in bringing this about…so much of what is being bally-hooed on a daily basis is alienating to me and I’m not a Muslim.

Southern Comfort

August 24th, 2010
5:47 pm

After a while, PETA is going to get involved with us beating this dead horse ad nauseum.

Just sayin…

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
5:51 pm

From NPR:

Experts

Enough with the BS! The Punch Line is hiring!

josef nix

August 24th, 2010
5:52 pm

SoCo

Heh, heh! :-)

Doggone/GA

August 24th, 2010
5:55 pm

“After a while, PETA is going to get involved with us beating this dead horse ad nauseum”

Nah, we’re safe on that one…the last thing PETA wants is people dwelling on the conjunction of “PETA” and dead animals:

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

Bruno

August 24th, 2010
5:56 pm

“It is their sense that by doing this that Americans are going to alienate American Muslims to the point where even relatively moderate Muslims are going to be pushed into joining extremist movements like al-Qaida. They couldn’t be happier.”

Kyle attempted to make the opposite point last week. He believed that the Cordoba House Project (nod to josef) proponents were doing the same to “regular Americans” ala Europe’s backlash against the Muslims.

Of course, one thing Kyle seemed to overlook is that Europe has never had a sterling record on the issue of tolerance (Crusades, Holocaust, ethnic cleansing in Bosnia).

RW-(the original)

August 24th, 2010
5:58 pm

You’ve got to love the irony of reporters and editorialists constantly harping on this and blaming the public for it being in the public eye.

JohnnyReb

August 24th, 2010
5:58 pm

What BS! Let’s see, the extreme Islamists don’t like us, and the bleeding hearts are concerned that if we say anything against the Islamists they may like us even less. That sounds really familiar, oh yes, like the pacifists who wanted to appease Hitler.

Pay attention – the only thing the radical Islamists understand is strength. Unfortunately, they won’t see that in the USA as long as Obama is in the White House and Dems have control of Congress.

Kamchak

August 24th, 2010
5:59 pm

Experts worry…

More fear politics.

Geez.

Keep up the good fight!

August 24th, 2010
6:00 pm

Wow…8 posts in and we have HITLER……

Keep up the good fight!

August 24th, 2010
6:01 pm

Why is Fox News funding the terrorists? Follow the money!

JohnnyReb

August 24th, 2010
6:04 pm

Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat its lessons of defeat. No one has defeated an enemy begging him to talk or apologizing for being great.

josef nix

August 24th, 2010
6:05 pm

Doggone
Interesting link, thanks! I’m an animal lover and I’ve always had my qualms about PETA…a lot of rhetoric but nothing of real substance…

RW
“You’ve got to love the irony of reporters and editorialists constantly harping on this and blaming the public for it being in the public eye.”

You call it irony. I call it hypocracy. And thanks for the Cordoba House…

JohnnyReb

August 24th, 2010
6:05 pm

Good Fight, the only reason Hitler showed up number 8 was, seven people got ahead of me.

Peadawg

August 24th, 2010
6:05 pm

Our extremists – Gingrich, Reid, et al. – boost Islamic extremists

FYT

Bruno

August 24th, 2010
6:05 pm

Jay–I’m going to throw down the gauntlet to you, then take a blogging break. You have a bully pulpit of your own here at the AJC. Our country is facing some serious financial challenges, and we’d be a lot better off pulling together right now than fracturing apart over small potatoes like the Cordoba Project. Is it really necessary for you to choose inflammatory topics day after day?? Is it all about keeping the blog numbers up??

Even when you made what I thought was a very intelligent statement a few weeks ago–”The Democratic Party alone cannot solve this nation’s fiscal problems, in part because it lacks the necessary votes and in part because it needs a viable partner on the other side that will insist in good faith that entitlements be addressed. It’s going to take the best of both parties to work this out.”–It was buried in a column entitled “Until GOP stops believing in magic, adult discussion is impossible”

TaxPayer

August 24th, 2010
6:05 pm

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August 24th, 2010
6:06 pm

What’s the total count on yours and Cynthia’s mosque related columns, jay? It’s kinda hard to share your concern, when your “concern” is so…..shall we say…..prevalent. Yours and the mainstream media’s that is.

Keep up the good fight!

August 24th, 2010
6:08 pm

Reb… not going to appease you. You dont know squat about what you are talking about.

josef nix

August 24th, 2010
6:08 pm

Well, I guess I ought to be glad we keep rehashing this one…maybe this year us Chosen will get a break for the Holidays…

Southern Comfort

August 24th, 2010
6:11 pm

josef

I wanted to join PETA, but they said it didn’t mean People Eating Tasty Animals!!! I figured grilling them over hot coals was considered ethical in the South.

JohnnyReb

August 24th, 2010
6:11 pm

I would love to stick around and debate anyone interested in doing so, but I have a honey-do list to complete before my real boss gets home. My crystal ball shows the Ground Zero mosque will not be built. It has become too much of a political hot potato for Obama and the Dems – they don’t have a way to make it a winner for them. The plug will be pulled regardless of the polls and national debate.

Jay

August 24th, 2010
6:12 pm

Well, I disagree with those who claim that this is not an important issue.

It is important for the reasons discussed in the NPR story. It is important that we defend American values of religious tolerance and religious freedom against those who would toss them away in fear. It is important to speak out against fearmongers such as Gingrich, because silence can be interpreted as acceptance.

I do not accept the image of a fearful, cowed, diminished America that Gingrich and others are trying to sell the American people. I am proud of this country and I intend to remain that way, by speaking out to defend the best things about us, the things that make us unique as a country.

RW-(the original)

August 24th, 2010
6:13 pm

And thanks for the Cordoba House…

josef,

?

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August 24th, 2010
6:13 pm

Bruno:

Thanks for “your suggestion” downstairs.

I rarely, if ever, offer suggestions on how to live a Christian life. I’ll be standing alone at those pearly gates, answering for no one but myself. I’m more than happy to let others do the same, for only God knows what’s in their heart.

But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.–James 4:6

Finn McCool

August 24th, 2010
6:14 pm

It’s an election year, the Conservative talking heads need to create fear so the republican voters will come to the polls and vote.

Look at the racial tension Beck is trying to cause in DC this weekend. Black churches should send their choirs to DC to sing hymns and pray for the tea partiers. Wouldn’t give Fox News much to show.

Road Scholar

August 24th, 2010
6:14 pm

“Pay attention – the only thing the radical Islamists understand is strength.”

And our arrogance!

Bruno: Let’s throw out this question: What steps should we take to address the deficit and our economy (two issues)? Now let’s get the easy ones out of the way: Limit entitlements, no citizenship or jobs for illegals (I’m not supporting, but someone will harp on it anyway), and the ungodly democratic administration (Pres. Obama, socialist, communist, thumb sucking, apologetic…). Now that they are off the table, what SPECIFIC itms should be addressed in our economy…no meandering back to the list now!

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
6:16 pm

I recently submitted a building permit application for a new house.
It was going to be 100 ft. tall and 400 ft. wide with 9 gun turrets at various heights and windows all over the place and a loud outside entertainment sound system. It would have had parking for 200 cars and I was going to paint it snot green with pink trim.
The City Council told me to forget about it.
So, I sent the application in again, but this time I called it a Mosque.
Work starts on Monday.

Don't forget

August 24th, 2010
6:16 pm

Gingrich’s comments will help to sell copies of his new book but it will kill his 2012 chances. I’m sure he realizes that and it shows his priorities.

Mick

August 24th, 2010
6:17 pm

Everyone, patience please. By thursday, fox news will get the ball rolling by going after obama’s vacation in martha’s vineyard. Meanwhile, football season is getting ramped up while the empire rusts and corrodes.

Doggone/GA

August 24th, 2010
6:18 pm

“I’ve always had my qualms about PETA…a lot of rhetoric but nothing of real substance…”

Oh, I’m not even that tolerant. I think they’re one of the biggest, most successful con games going.

Finn McCool

August 24th, 2010
6:18 pm

Republicans are praying for another attack by Islamic extremists. It’s so much easier to run on an agenda of hate, fear, and war than it is to run on an agenda of solving problems, fixing our infrastructure, etc.

Keep up the good fight!

August 24th, 2010
6:19 pm

I give radical Islamists more credit than radical Christians….at least one of the group apparently has the ability to understand something

Southern Comfort

August 24th, 2010
6:21 pm

Jay

I understand your point, but I see hashing and rehashing this topic only gives legitimacy to people like Gingrich. I’d just as well prefer to give him the silent treatment because he and others around do not speak for me.

I’m content letting him rant until he turns purple in the face. Once the shoe is on the other foot, as things have a way of boomeranging on you, he will be the one crying about Constitutional rights. I can then point to his words and tell him where to shove them. For instance, when Obama wanted to find a judge with empathy, as he said, the right were all up in arms over empathy. Now, they want an entire religious sect to empathize with them.

We need to just turn off the microphones, cameras and computers anytime any of these blowhards step forward to make a statement.

ty webb

August 24th, 2010
6:22 pm

The ground zero mosque, it’s the new Shirley Sherrod. And oh yeah…”neocon”.

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
6:22 pm

When you stop censoring your blog, I’ll agree they can build a Mosque in your backyard. Until then hell NO!

Don't forget

August 24th, 2010
6:23 pm

Johnny Reb,
You completely missed the point. Yes, the extremists only understand strength but that doesn’t mean you bully the moderates! Sure you may be able to find a quote here and there to stoke the islamic paranoia that has reared its ugly head but the Imam of the New York mosque is known around the world as a moderate and has many quotes to back that up. Moderate muslims around the world see all this controversy and wonder if the extremists are right about America being at war with Islam as a whole and not just the extremists. Get it?

@@

August 24th, 2010
6:24 pm

In the interest of fun, there’s another debate raging in regards to New York’s skyline. Seems some developer wants to build near the Empire State Building. Opponents don’t want anything to overshadow the historic landmark. The new building has been rejected by the local burrough, but approved by the city.

Something like that.

The rest of the story:

NEW YORK (CBS 2/1010 WINS) — Both sides battling over a proposed new tower to be built near the Empire State Building were in the same room Monday. Each said the other guy has it wrong when it comes to the best vision for New York City.

josef nix

August 24th, 2010
6:24 pm

RW
Oops! That was Bruno, not you! My bad…

SoCo
What was it Ron White said? “I didn’t climb to the top of the food chain to become a vegetarian!”

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
6:24 pm

Been here a short time and already know why this blog is full of shyt!

Bookman is a joke!

Don't forget

August 24th, 2010
6:24 pm

Jay, yes it’s an important subject but its been discussed to death and it’s time to let it settle down and let cooler heads prevail, IMO.

Doggone/GA

August 24th, 2010
6:24 pm

“I’d just as well prefer to give him the silent treatment because he and others around do not speak for me.”

and if you don’t speak UP for yourself then the people who agree with him will take that as silent AGREEMENT. I’m with Jay on this one. We need to fight this fear-mongering EVERY TIME they bring it out and shake the dust off of it. And here lately, there’s not been much dust to shake out.

Keep up the good fight!

August 24th, 2010
6:25 pm

Sorry Southern Comfort, I agree with Jay. The only way to fight bigotry, racist, stupidity, ignorance and the blowhards that try not only to ignore the Constitution but to spout their folloishness is to call them out and fight hard. Silence is taken by these people as consent and approval.

Scout

August 24th, 2010
6:25 pm

Several Points:

1) If these so-called “moderate” Muslims are so easily swayed to become Jihadists then we need to identify them anyway and boot the non-U.S. citizens right back to where they came from and keep a solid eye on the rest.

2) Really – our government clamped down on the “Christian Identity Movement” awhile back. Did a bunch of “moderate” American Christians run out and join them?

3) America is not at war with Islam. Islam is at war with America.

4) Christians, Jews, Buddists, Shintoists, Hindus, Sikhs, Wiccans, Atheists and even Satanists are by and large living peacefully among each other around the world …………. but the Muslims, oh, those Muslims!

5) I for one am sick and tired of pampering them. It’s always their way or the highway. “When tolerance becomes a one way street, it leads to cultural suicide.” Allen West

Keep up the good fight!

August 24th, 2010
6:26 pm

Speaking of ignorance and foolishness….look Scout’s here to lead that pack!

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
6:26 pm

Practice what you preach Jay! Censorship is against my RIGHTS!

I wanna free house and free food and free medical and free clothes too!

Mick

August 24th, 2010
6:27 pm

Time to do something constructive, going to vote. FYI, florida and georgia just awarded millions for education in the race to the top competition. Now that’s some good news eh?

Paul

August 24th, 2010
6:27 pm

And I will wager if this siting and building had gone through with absolutely no controversy the chat rooms would be alive with “we can do what we want. They are cowed. We build a mosque next to the hole of our greatest victory against the infidels and they are not able to resist.”

Y’know… if the Muslims planning this would publicly say “we join with other Americans in condemning acts of terrorism. We understand this is a sensitive issue and many are still mourning. We extend our good will and will move the location in a show of solidarity against the actions of extremists.”

Of course, the developer who bought the property for a song is pushing construction and doesn’t want to give up any bucks -

RW-(the original)

August 24th, 2010
6:29 pm

Oops! That was Bruno, not you!

Some would say that confusing the two of us is pretty difficult, especially today. According to me he’s a liar and according to him I’m a hypocrite.

…but he had to lie to portray me as one :-)

Paul

August 24th, 2010
6:29 pm

left part off, sorry -

“We extend our good will and will move the location in a show of solidarity against the actions of extremists.” then we’d see a whole lot more good will where there is currently ill will.

Just like with Dr. Laura, people have rights but they ought to be prepared for the consequences of exercising those rights. :-)

Kamchak

August 24th, 2010
6:30 pm

Well, I disagree with those who claim that this is not an important issue.

It is important for the reasons discussed in the NPR story. It is important that we defend American values of religious tolerance and religious freedom against those who would toss them away in fear.

Of course it’s an important issue, Jay.

But how many more times must it be pointed out that the terrorists (and fear mongers) succeeded in making some of us afraid?

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
6:30 pm

Maybe we will tick off all Muslims and they will all join the fight. GREAT! At least then can see our ememy instead of them hiding in the Mosque killing our soilders.

RW-(the original)

August 24th, 2010
6:31 pm

Matti

August 24th, 2010
6:31 pm

Scout,

Pampering them? You mean like when President CheneyBush allowed the Saudi elites in this country to be quietly whisked away under cover of darkness and secrecy, in their big fancy private jets, out of our country before they could be thoroughly interrogated immiately following an unprovoked attack on our nation by SAUDI citizens? Then continued kissing the behinds and faces of Saudi Royals, and holding hands, tiptoeing through the bluebonnets before lunch?

Yes, that chapped my tail too.

Doggone/GA

August 24th, 2010
6:32 pm

“But how many more times must it be pointed out that the terrorists (and fear mongers) succeeded in making some of us afraid?”

as often as it takes

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
6:32 pm

See at the towelhead roast, Jay Jay!!!

Matti

August 24th, 2010
6:32 pm

sorry for the typo: immediately

josef nix

August 24th, 2010
6:32 pm

JAY
I am not doubting your sincerity in love of your country and the need to champion those things that are who we are and what has made us the beacon of freedom of thought…I will, and did, agree that the post of the Paul comments was newsworthy and a move toward correcting the misconception that this was a “conservative-liberal,” lines drawn in the sand matter. Today’s post, though, in my opinion is feeding the furor and playing the partisan card taking a jab at the eye of Newt…is there really anything else being said that hasn’t been said before? On the Paul thread, yes…

TaxPayer

August 24th, 2010
6:33 pm

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
6:33 pm

See ya at the towelhead roast, Jay Jay!!!

F. Sinkwich

August 24th, 2010
6:34 pm

My last post is “awaiting moderation.” Why I have no idea. I did say “gon*ds. Also said “Pali*.” Said b*stards” (referring to terrorists) as well.

Shame on me.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 24th, 2010
6:35 pm

Well, I’m against Towelheads and so it don’t matter what you think. After we turn you librul wimps into a bunch of bawling old women on November 2, you can set back and watch what we do. We’ll have a war going against the Muslim countries lickety-split.

So josef and all the other wimps can just kiss my grits.

Have a good night everybody.

Southern Comfort

August 24th, 2010
6:35 pm

Doggone & Keep up the good fight

One can show opposition without having to be vocal. I’m a firm believer in action over words. Just as the Civil Rights movement was done in a non-violent manner, the battle over discrimination can be won by actions over words. I’ve found there to be many people of words, but not many of action.

As the old saying goes, “I can show you better than I can tell you” rings true in this instance. By embracing the right for not only Muslims to practice their religion, but the right of the protesters to protest, I think that’s the way to show the true freedoms that exist here in the U.S. that are hard to find elsewhere.

F. Sinkwich

August 24th, 2010
6:36 pm

Here it is censored:

“It is their sense that by doing this that Americans are going to alienate American Muslims to the point where even relatively moderate Muslims are going to be pushed into joining extremist movements like al-Qaida. They couldn’t be happier.”

Scr*w ‘em.

W*mps like Jay and NPR (apparently his favorite news outlet) remind of those limp-wristed apologists wailing why “do they hate us” after 9/11.

Pali* has it right — grow some gon*ds lefties. If America hating bast*rds like al-Qaida continue to want war, let’s show them hell.

Paul

August 24th, 2010
6:37 pm

Oh and Miss USA Rima Fakih joins Senate Majority Leader Reid and Howard Dean in saying it should be cited elsewhere.

Howard Dean said, “”This center may be intended as a bridge or a healing gesture but it will not be perceived that way unless a dialogue with a real attempt to understand each other happens,” he writes. “That means the builders have to be willing to go beyond what is their right and be willing to talk about feelings whether the feelings are ‘justified’ or not.”

Dean argues that most of the people opposed to the “ground zero mosque” – actually a planned Islamic community center that would include a mosque two blocks from the former site of the World Trade Center — “are not right-wing hate mongers.” He says that while the developers have a right to build what and where they want, they should consider that many Americans “have very strong emotional resistance to building on this site.”

“This is about ending the poisonous atmosphere engendered by fear and hate, and in order to do that there has to be genuine listening, hearing and willingness to compromise on both sides,” he writes. ”’

“Dean said he was surprised by the negative reaction to his comments because much of it, he said, “had to do with defending the constitutional rights of the builders of the center.”

“Of course I never attacked those rights; I explicitly supported them, as the president also did this week,” he writes. “Nor did I side with the Islamophobic rhetoric of Newt, Palin et al. There are a great many people in this debate talking past each other, as is often the case these days.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014240-503544.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Doggone/GA

August 24th, 2010
6:39 pm

“but the right of the protesters to protest”

Sure…but that includes the right of those who disagree with the protestors to ALSO protest. And that’s the ACTION you are calling for. But not all of us can, or will be able to physically protest where it will be most effective…but we CAN make our protest obvious even here in this small place.

@@

August 24th, 2010
6:39 pm

Good grief! The comment section following the Empire State Building article even got into religion.

Nancy Alveiro

What respect does the Empire State Building deserve if they won’t even consider Mother Theresa’s birthday lighting!! I’m sure the new building would have been lit in a bright white & blue!! Tough luck ESB! Let progress go forth.

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No Thanks

A lot more than she ever gave her patients, allowing them to suffer because suffering is how she viewed people being close to god.

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Binky

Mother Theresa died an atheist. I love it.

August 23, 2010 pm31 5:18 pm

Granny Godzilla

August 24th, 2010
6:41 pm

Bingo!

Osama wins everytime you let hate or fear excuse your words or actions
in regards to Islam and all muslims.

RW-(the original)

August 24th, 2010
6:42 pm

SoCo,

You keep portraying the people against this mosque project as being “the right.” The last polling data I saw said 63% of New Yorkers are against this and if this country has politically shifted so far to the right that 63% of New Yorkers are now in that category it even scares me how much power my political fellow travelers are going to have soon.

TaxPayer

August 24th, 2010
6:43 pm

josef nix

August 24th, 2010
6:44 pm

PAUL

The EOI in charge is in the house…but do Jay, CT and come out taking on those you mention with the same zeal in defense of the Muslims and the perception thereof? No a chance…not every day, once a day, all day long…The three you mentioned are every bit the “Islamaphobes” as Newt and Company…they just dress it up in the Sunday Go To Meetin’ garb of “…but…”

Keep up the good fight!

August 24th, 2010
6:44 pm

SoCo….. I agree that it takes words and non-violent actions not complacent silience (not saying that you suggest that). We cannot sit quietly while the rights of American of different faiths are denied. We cannot sit quietly while ignorance, pseudo-logic, distorted truths and foolishness are voiced as “truth” and pushed by Fox News and the crazy cons. It is time we speak, loudy and firmly. They won’t go away. They have been after Muslims and others for centuries and even at the founding of this country. Their lies and untruths spread unless “refudiated”.

Doggone/GA

August 24th, 2010
6:45 pm

“The last polling data I saw said 63% of New Yorkers are against this ”

And that, to me, is the best reason to have it built exactly where they are planning to build it.

TaxPayer

August 24th, 2010
6:46 pm

Uncle Sam has an M-16 with your name on it, Sinkwich. Go for it.

Paul

August 24th, 2010
6:47 pm

Doggone/GA

You missed another purveyor of inaccurate information!

Matti:

“You mean like when President CheneyBush allowed the Saudi elites in this country to be quietly whisked away under cover of darkness and secrecy, in their big fancy private jets, out of our country before they could be thoroughly interrogated immiately following an unprovoked attack on our nation by SAUDI citizens?”

You might want to check factcheck dot org. Or, if you want to post nonsense, you could cite a source.

Flights of Saudi Nationals Leaving the United States Three questions have arisen with respect to the departure of Saudi nationals from the United States in the immediate aftermath of 9/11:

(1) Did any flights of Saudi nationals take place before national airspace reopened on September 13, 2001?
(2) Was there any political intervention to facilitate the departure of Saudi nationals?
(3) Did the FBI screen Saudi nationals thoroughly before their departure?

First, we found no evidence that any flights of Saudi nationals, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of September 13, 2001.24 To the contrary,
every flight we have identified occurred after national airspace reopened.25 Second, we found no evidence of political intervention.We found no evidence that anyone at theWhite House above the level of Richard Clarke participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals. The issue came up in one of the many video teleconferences of the interagency group Clarke chaired, and Clarke said he approved of how the FBI was dealing with the matter when it came up for interagency
discussion at his level. Clarke told us,“I asked the FBI, Dale Watson . . . to handle that, to check to see if that was all right with them, to see if they wanted access to any of these people, and to get back to me.And if they had no objections, it would be fine with me.” Clarke added,“I have no recollection of clearing it with anybody at the White House.”26 Although White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card remembered someone telling him about the Saudi request shortly after 9/11, he said
he had not talked to the Saudis and did not ask anyone to do anything about it.The President andVice President told us they were not aware of the issue at all until it surfaced much later in the media. None of the officials we interviewed recalled any intervention or direction on this matter from any political appointee.27 Third,we believe that the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals who left the United States on charter flights.28 The Saudi government was advised of and agreed to the FBI’s requirements that passengers be identified and checked against various databases before the flights departed.29The Federal Aviation Administration representative
working in the FBI operations center made sure that the 330 THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT
FBI was aware of the flights of Saudi nationals and was able to screen the passengers before they were allowed to depart.30 The FBI interviewed all persons of interest on these flights prior to their departures.They concluded that none of the passengers was connected to the 9/11 attacks and have since found no evidence to change that conclusion. Our own independent review of the Saudi nationals involved confirms that no one with known links to terrorism departed on these flights.”

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Commission-report-on-bin-Laden-flights.pdf

josef nix

August 24th, 2010
6:49 pm

RW
@ 6:42

Bingo! Another little bit of trivia conveniently overlooked by the political hay makers in this what Buffy Ste. Marie said, “blame the angels, blame the fates, blame the Jews and your sister Kate, teach your children who to hate…little wheel, spin and spin, big wheel turn around and around…”
We may be just the little wheels here tonight, but we are doing our own share in powering the big wheel…

TaxPayer

August 24th, 2010
6:49 pm

Not to worry. The Muslims are slowly but surely manning the retirement homes all across America and… well, it is probably best not to say any more without making sure that the scared are safely under their beds.

Southern Comfort

August 24th, 2010
6:50 pm

RW

The majority of talking heads who’ve come out against it represent the Right. That’s why I use the term Right. I could call them Constitutionally challenged, but I’ve been told this has nothing to do with the Constitution.

RW-(the original)

August 24th, 2010
6:51 pm

And that, to me, is the best reason to have it built exactly where they are planning to build it

Doggone/GA,

I hope you’re not trying to drive me down the same road Nanny B has been trying to for days on end now. My position is that they’ve cleared all the zoning hurdles and have every right to build on the spot they selected, but I also believe the people protesting have a Constitutionally protected right to do so.

Inspiring Minds

August 24th, 2010
6:51 pm

Did Paul deliberately leave out the handholding and hugging and kissing going on between Bush and the Prince.

@@

August 24th, 2010
6:52 pm

Hezbollah, the terrorists who’ve been left out in the cold.

Two Hezbollah members and two members of the pro-Syrian heterodox Sunni Lebanese group Al Ahbash reportedly died in a clash in Beirut on Aug. 24. While the fighting may have resulted from a personal dispute, larger regional forces could be at work. In two such scenarios, Syria could be using Al Ahbash to shake Hezbollah’s nerves, while Iran and Hezbollah could be looking for ways to threaten Syrian assets in Lebanon.–STRATFOR

Sometimes progress is bloody.

Keep up the good fight!

August 24th, 2010
6:53 pm

And if 63% of New Yorkers were against Catholic Churches, they should be banned?

The whole point of the Constitution with the Bill of Rights is it does not matter if EVERYONE else in the country is against a religion, if only 1 believes it in this country, the Constitution guarantees their freedom of worship. The rights guaranteed by the Constitution are not subject to the whims of public opinion or even misinformation that distorts and flames bigotry.

Doggone/GA

August 24th, 2010
6:53 pm

“but I also believe the people protesting have a Constitutionally protected right to do so”

When did I say otherwise? But those of us who think it should be built ALSO have the right to protest against their intolerance. That knife ALWAYS cuts both ways. I have NEVER said they should not be allowed to protest. But I *do* say they should not be allowed to prevail.

RW-(the original)

August 24th, 2010
6:54 pm

SoCo,

They’re only Constitutionally challenged if they claim the Imam has no right to build. Harry Reid and Howard Dean have also said they should move the project and Reid is the Senate Majority leader (for a few more months). Do you really consider them to be on the right?

josef nix

August 24th, 2010
6:55 pm

Saudi nationals and 9/11? I’m not out to pass judgment on the feds and what they did, but down here on the ground at my school, we certainly took the Saudis (and our other Arab and Muslim little ones) into protective custody under special conditions…until their parents could get there to take them home…

F. Sinkwich

August 24th, 2010
6:55 pm

Granny:

“Osama wins everytime you let hate or fear excuse your words or actions
in regards to Islam and all muslims.”

Wrong again. No one I’ve seen here is accusing “all muslims” of horrific acts. But muslims destroyed the World Trade Center. Muslims engage in honor killings. Muslims cut the nose and ears off of that beautiful women on the cover of that news magazine.

Seems to me that those “peaceful” muslims have a lot of atoning to do, but I don’t see any.

All I’m saying is we don’t cow-tow to barbarians, and we take the fight to them based on what they’ve done, not what they might do.

Wimps like the lefties around here show weakness, which encourages terrorism.

Want fewer terrorists? Kill them.

Paul

August 24th, 2010
6:56 pm

josef nix

I think I understand your 6:44

Sen Reid strikes me as taking his position for election advantage.

Howard Dean’s staking out the “I’m not Obama” ground and is challenging Muslims to talk about feelings and voice understanding of the other position, just as many on the Left challenge those opposed to do (although as RW pointed out, portraying all those opposed as right wingers is completely inaccurate).

Ms USA’s pressing for a bit of understanding from Muslims, I think.

RW-(the original)

August 24th, 2010
6:56 pm

But those of us who think it should be built ALSO have the right to protest against their intolerance

When did I say otherwise?

/tag you’re it….

kayaker 71

August 24th, 2010
6:57 pm

Another ploy of the left to make Gingrich the enemy. Newt is not the enemy, Bookman, as much as you would like to make him so. So when does the Newt bashing begin? Is it today or when he becomes more of a threat? You were pretty successful with Palin and her family. Now that the Palin ;posts seem to be over, or would it seem that way, the Newt ones will begin in earnest. The more you fear someone, and the less you have to say that is credible about them, the rhetoric gets more heated, you stir up your liberal cohorts and the fun begins. Bring it on…. Newt will give NPR, your liberal blog and the rest of America a good look at what is really going on and it scares you to death, doesn’t it? First, November when we castrate Bozo…. then 2012 when America reclaims it’s birthright. If he ran today, he would trounce Bozo and you know it. Let the left bashing begin!!!!!

Gingrich/Patraeus
2012

Keep up the good fight!

August 24th, 2010
6:57 pm

Sinkwich…Christians kill Atlantans and bomb our city. They kill doctors. “peaceful” Christians have a lot of atoning to do but I dont see a lot of it. Guess you need to take the fight to them too.

Doggone/GA

August 24th, 2010
6:58 pm

“/tag you’re it”

Please point out, specifically, where that quote from me advocats not allowing the protestors to protest. I’ll be patient…but I won’t hold my breath.

Paul

August 24th, 2010
6:59 pm

Inspiring Minds

Yeah, I did .

If some people (who accuse Pres Bush of being a dunce) can’t understand cultural differences and the responsibility of the president to project understanding, and if they want to try to invoke a little gaybashing into it

then yeah, I deliberately ignored it.

Bosch

August 24th, 2010
6:59 pm

Well of course bigots like Gingrich are playing into the hands of the terrorists — they are no better themselves. Fear mongers like Gingrich need exactly that — fear, because they need the support of those Islamaphobes like Scout for support in their mad dreams of power. They can’t win politically no other way — certainly not on character or their ideas on things that really matter.

Finn McCool

August 24th, 2010
6:59 pm

Did anyone ever find out what that DC metro brawl was about a few weeks ago? Something like 70 people were involved and it started in one station and ended at another station with arrests.

That musta been a sight to see!

RW-(the original)

August 24th, 2010
7:00 pm

Doggone/GA,

It doesn’t and I was pretty clear, I thought, when I started by saying “I hope you’re not…”

paleo-neo-Carlinist

August 24th, 2010
7:00 pm

OK, I need a scorecard. Do they “hate us for our freedom” or do they “hate us for our attempts to restrict our freedom, as it related to their freedom”?

Paul

August 24th, 2010
7:02 pm

paleo

I could cite surveys, but they pretty much hate us ’cause we’re over there where they want their caliphate to be.

of course, the fact we say women are equal to men, everyone has the right to pick their religion and we can say pretty much anything we want doesn’t make us too popular, either.

Southern Comfort

August 24th, 2010
7:03 pm

RW

That’s why I said the majority and not all. There’s been people on the Right who came out in support of the center. They are dwarfed by the number of people on the Right who have come out against it. Likewise, there have not been as many on the Left to come out against it as there have been to come out for it.

I think everyone has the right to say what they feel about the situation. When it comes to actually building it, the zoning board and the funders have the final say on whether it’s actually built or not.

josef nix

August 24th, 2010
7:05 pm

PAUL

Reid and Dean are politicians who’d sell their mama’s down the river for political advantage…Miss USA is not really that different from them in that it’s all a beauty contest from the get-go and she, too, knows where her bread is buttered…it’s a feeding frenzy and the Cordoba Center is the bait…

Normal

August 24th, 2010
7:06 pm

I said it before and I’ll say it again. Ignore Newt and his ilk, quit calling the Terrorist Muslim, and call them what they are..thugs. Give up this emotional clap trap about the New York Community Center and let them build. In the long run, it will be a positive move for us showing we do abide by our beliefs and freedoms and that we are NOT afraid of them. Give them no fodder for recruitment.