Judge’s ruling on stem-cell research may politicize issue

A sound ruling.

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How long before a single ovum or spermatazoa is “potential life”?
Men will have a lot of record keeping to do.

Congress better do something about the Dickey-Wicker amendment.

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ObamaMagic! Thank A Democrat!

Home sales plunge 27% to lowest in 15 years
Sales of previously occupied homes fell to the lowest level in 15 years last month as the economy weakened.

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I’m actually for stem cell research. Atleast the embryos are being used to save someone’s life one day.

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Peadawg, I agree. Especially if they are using just leftover embryos from fertility treatment. Once the “donors” are done and have what they want, they really have no need for the rest. Without ever having a link to mama, it will never be a baby, imo anyway.

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What’ch gonna do when they come for you?

Federal agents are seeking to hire Ebonics translators to help interpret wiretapped conversations involving targets of undercover drug investigations.

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Whacks

Ya, to me this is different than abortion, which I’m 100% against unless the mother’s in danger. If they can figure out how to regrow an organ using stem cells, by all means go for it.

Off topic, but let’s just hope it doesn’t end of like the movie ‘Repo Men’.

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Great. Yet more misguided attempts to set back advances in the research of cancer, spinal cord injuries, diabetes, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, schizophrenia and many other maladies.

Thank goodness the neo-cons (hat tip, ty) weren’t able to derail history taking, the physical exam, surgical anesthesia, tissue culture, the x-ray, the ECG and molecular medicine…

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“Had it been in effect at the time, Lamberth’s ruling would also have invalidated the stem-cell policy of President Bush, who limited federally funded stem-cell research to 21 already-existing embryonic cell lines.”

Once again, Jay, stem cells come from three main sources, “unused” embryos being only one of the three. Umbilical cord blood and adult bone marrow are the other two. By not clarifying that, you are feeding into the false hysteria perpetuated during the Bush years that ALL stem cell research is being “blocked” in some way.

Thus far, the fetal stem cell research has yielded the fewest results, and raises what I consider to be valid objections to disrespecting the sanctity of life.

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Gee, I was under the impression that the judge’s task was to interpret the law, not decide the ethical issue of embroynic stem cell research. Isn’t that what he did?

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“Great. Yet more misguided attempts to set back advances in the research of cancer, spinal cord injuries, diabetes, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, schizophrenia and many other maladies.”

“oh, joy … more breastbeating about “snowflake babies” … more religion over science … ”

AmVet and USinUK–Do you recognize that stem cells come from more than one source, and that the least productive, most problematic of these three sources, embryonic stem cells, also raises legitimate moral objections??

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AmeVet, I get the gist of your post, but let’s not go deifying the medical research enterprise (big Pharm) anymore than the neo-cons like to deify fetuses. I honestly don’t know where I stand on this (family member with Parkinson’s), but as I said, cancer, spinal injuries, cancer, Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s are part of life. do we want to place a “price” in life (you’re sick; how much you got?). the cynic in me dismisses the “pro-life” and the “let’s cure cancer” positions as more self-serving than altruistic. that said; the libertarian in me says; do all the research you want, just to ask me to pay (taxes). this whole obsession with “life” originates from the same place as Islamofacism (fear of the unknown, trying to insert gods and monsters into life).

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Christian’s still think the Earth is the center of the universe, its to much to ask them to recognize science to the detriment of their fairy-tale bible.

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Bruno – “AmVet and USinUK–Do you recognize that stem cells come from more than one source, and that the least productive, most problematic of these three sources, embryonic stem cells, also raises legitimate moral objections??”

since my sister was diagnosed with MS nearly 20 years ago, yes, I’m aware that there is more than one source of stem cells. I even realize that they’re making great advances in adult stem cells.

as for “legitimate moral objections”, I’m sorry, but we’re talking a glob of cells – people should win over a glob of cells every time. if there are people out there who don’t agree with it, they don’t have to take the therapy, should they ever need it.

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landry,

I bet your HOT in a Burka!

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Exactly how is the President to blame for this?

Let us see. He’s black and he’s a Muslim and he’s a facist and a communist and a socialist and a Democrat and he probably eats babies too. But worse than all that, he wants to raise taxes on us Tea Partiers.

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Jays censorship is alive and well. Only Democrats censor their blogs. Par for the course!

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stands, he’s just miffed that he can’t act like a petulant brat like he does over at Tucker’s.

Where he has plenty of cousins…

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golly gee…. stem cells! That will solve all our problems? Maybe Obama could become s stem cell and we could have 1,000’s more just like him. What a wonderful world that would be!

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Little Bit of Me … 12:12 … I know … they’re practically driving and shopping at the mall and texting with their little jeans (genes?) hanging low …

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paleo, you raise a very valid point.

Here’s another – the amount of money allocated for this research is chump change. $39Million.

Compare that with the corporate subsides and giveaways tor BIG Pharma and it is a joke.

MUCH of the research is done at publicly funded institutions of higher learning and then basically given away to these corporations.

Then Uncle Sam, after doing so, doesn’t even demand that BIG Pharma allow him decent pricing on the bounty they make.

Now that is where the consumers and taxpayers should be directing their wrath…

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Stem Cells or Real Estate? Which is costing us money?

Sales of previously owned U.S. homes dropped more steeply than expected in July to their lowest pace in 15 years, an industry group said on Tuesday, implying further loss of momentum in the economic recovery. The National Association of Realtors said sales dropped a record 27.2 percent from June to an annual rate of 3.83 million units, the lowest level since May 1995. June’s sales pace was revised down to a 5.26 million-unit pace.

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All I know is it was supposed to be entitled “The Book of Revolutions,” a pre-television version of “As the World Turns.” People have taken it all out of context.

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I’d like to see a lot more stem-cell research, myself…and I think that President Obama’s policy was a reasonable one. However:
1, The law is the law, and should be followed. If it’s a BAD law, as I believe this one is, it should be revised. (And revised by congress, not just by a federal judge wink-winking it away.) But until then, it is the law of the land and should be followed.
2. You’re right that this will politicize the issue, Jay…but it’s ALWAYS been politicized.

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Stem Cells or The Continued Two Week Slide in Stocks? Which one cost you money?

NEW YORK (AP) — Stocks fell Tuesday after another disappointing report on the housing market renewed worries about the economy.

The Dow Jones industrial average lost about 80 points in midday trading after news that sales of previously occupied homes fell last month to their lowest level in 15 years.

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“you can see their little bitty eyes staring back at you. ”

LOL! And maybe a little tear when you speak of offing them in the name of research.

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Stem Cells or A Treasury Running Out Of Control. Which one is Devaluing your Money?

A report by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York last week showed that consumers are having difficulty climbing out of the debt hole they dug for themselves before the credit bubble began to deflate in late 2007. The report gives support to the fears of those asset managers and economists who believe the U.S. is facing deflation.

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The judge is enforcing the law as written. He didn’t write the law, politicians did. Not his fault the Democrats have been in charge of Congress since 2006 and haven’t bothered to deal with this issue that was such a major crisis when Bush was President.

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Does it work?

If not, cut it.

The dems can win on regulation.

“Russ Feingold: I Won’t Be Done In By Citizens United Ruling.” HP

corporate payback.

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“these aren’t living humans. these aren’t sentient beings. these are a cluster of cells that will be destroyed because the egg and sperm donors no longer have a use for them.”

That’s a matter of opinion. I took a full course in embryology in college, and it’s amazing how quickly the organ systems develop. I don’t think we can make definitive judgments yet about whether the developing human is “sentient” or not. I personally believe that all living beings are sentient and worthy of respect, along the lines on Jainist philosophy.

For the record, I also oppose IVF. There are plenty enough children to adopt in the world that we don’t need to take such unnecessary, drastic measures.

“keep your (not you-your, but the generic “your”) Bible out of my science.”

I quote to you from the Harvey Mudd college handbook: “Technology divorced from humanity is worse than no technology at all”. It’s not a Bible thing, USinUK, it’s a human thing.

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If there is any good to come from the research, then private companies can blaze the trail.

Yes, they will blaze the trail to a lifetime of profitable drugs. When is they last time they “cured” anything? No private industry will fund the cure for something they can keep you coming back to the pharmacy forever to “treat.”

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Hey, just heard, mounting a campaign does help. Dekalb commissioners voted against the GM developer!! YES.

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DAD:
There are Jews in the world.
There are Buddhists.
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed, but
I’ve never been one of them.

I’m a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They’ll take you as soon as you’re warm.

You don’t have to be a six-footer.
You don’t have to have a great brain.
You don’t have to have any clothes on. You’re
A Catholic the moment Dad came,

Because

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

GIRL:
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can’t be found.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

MUM:
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

MEN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
WOMEN:
If a sperm is wasted,…
CHILDREN:
…God get quite irate.

PRIEST:
Every sperm is sacred.
BRIDE and GROOM:
Every sperm is good.
NANNIES:
Every sperm is needed…
CARDINALS:
…In your neighbourhood!

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
FUNERAL CORTEGE:
God needs everybody’s.
MOURNER #1:
Mine!
MOURNER #2:
And mine!
CORPSE:
And mine!

NUN:
Let the Pagan spill theirs
O’er mountain, hill, and plain.
HOLY STATUES:
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that’s spilt in vain.

EVERYONE:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaaate!

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“For the record, I also oppose IVF. There are plenty enough children to adopt in the world that we don’t need to take such unnecessary, drastic measures.”

That’s one issue we’ll agree upon Bruno…I too oppose IVF…but ONLY because of the failure of those who spend their money on it…who have the MEANS to spend the money on adoption..fail to do so. Adopt every child LIVING that needs a home…and then IVF just “might” be a viable option…but it will never be one… because there will ALWAYS be homeless children needing homes.

Let me ask of those who oppose abortion…WHY do you not picket and stand outside of IVF clinics in the same way you do abortion clinics? The “logic” of anti abortionists always come down to this: a “fertilized egg” is a “human”… yet millions of “fertilized eggs” are discarded via IVF. If anything…it makes the “argument” of the anti-abortionists quite weak… actually very weak.

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I’m in total agreement with Bruno on this point:

Thus far, the fetal stem cell research has yielded the fewest results, and raises what I consider to be valid objections to disrespecting the sanctity of life.

AND…

That safeguard was intended to prevent the creation of embryos for the sole purpose of destroying them. Those embryos also had to be “donated by the individuals who sought reproductive treatment . . . and who gave voluntary written consent for the human embryos to be used for research purposes.” It also barred any financial compensation or inducement for donating embryos for research.

Given the government’s lack of oversight on so many issues, there’s no reason to believe they’d be any better at monitoring fertility clinics.

Embryos….a marketable commodity.

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landry

love that song……such a snappy melody and great to dance to
(just not too close)

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AmVet…again, every dollar counts. The Republicans have de-regulated us into oblivion and the Democrats have spent us into oblivion. Maybe we should wait until the economy starts to show some real signs of recovery before we dole out more money for our government to spend!

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“When is they last time they “cured” anything? No private industry will fund the cure for something they can keep you coming back to the pharmacy forever to “treat.”

Matti–That’s one conspiracy theory that I will agree with you wholeheartedly on. With simple lifestyle changes, the majority of what ails our society (heart disease, cancer, diabetes, arthritis) would disappear overnight. However, human nature is such that the average person is far more willing to spend huge sums of money on passive treatment than to take control of their own health. Sad, but true.

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I’ve really never understood the criticisms of this — would a wingnut like to explain. Is it just that you don’t want federal funds to pay for it, and that private companies should do the research — if so, you really don’t know how medical research is done in this country — or is it the whole “it could possibly be a baby” thing?

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No private industry will fund the cure for something they can keep you coming back to the pharmacy forever to “treat.”

Have you been watching Chris Rock lately? (hot link NSFW!!!)

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“or is it the whole “it could possibly be a baby” thing?”

I don’t see how it could be that. If it was, wouldn’t they – logically – be fighting to have the whole process outlawed completely, so that no one could do the research?

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“Oh last night I had a date with masterbat**n.
Oh it was grand.
I used my non-federally funded hand!”

Ya I stopped doing that a while ago. I got a girlfriend(now my wife). You should try it.

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Bruno, you are correct, disallow is incorrect. Defund is the right word.

And yes, by all means necessary, we need to ensure this potential never becomes a reality:

By understanding cell development using embryonic stem cells, doctors and scientists will be able to prevent many birth defects. Different forms of defects occur at varying stages of development within the womb. Studies on embryonic stem cells will allow them to find the exact point certain cells mutate and a birth defect is formed. In theory they will be able to prevent this from occurring, either by stimulating or blocking certain enzymes while in the womb. Approximately 3 percent of babies are born with birth defects in the United States according to the University of Virginia. Scientists believe they can limit at least 1 percent of these defects using embryonic stem cell research.

Because embryos are kept in a permanent state of early development, they are ideal candidates for drug and medical testing. While they are still alive, without a host body in which they can develop, they will never become fully human. However, since they are alive, testing can be conducted in a variety of fashions. A scientist will be able to infect them with a disease and attempt to test various treatments.

I’m just glad penicillin had no such backlash.

Mountains out of molehills…

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@@ said,
Embryos….a marketable commodity.

Hush yo mouth, girl! If the Corporations hear you, all women will have to pay a fee every time they have their period. Not to mention pre-pregnancy fees, pregnancy taxes and non abstinance fines….

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What, still no cures?

Should have stuck with adult stem cells, morons, just sayin…

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Don’t worry folks. China will probably do the stem cell research and discover the cures to mankind’s ailment’s and reap all the Nobel prizes. Meanwhile, while this country likes to rant about Islam’s proclivity for hanging on to Dark Ages notions, we have our own atavistic plunge into the Dark Ages going on right here in River City. Ah, who needs science anyway. And the way our kids are “educated” these days, they won’t be able to do any science, so it’s a moot point. It’s enough for us to have our kids study from those Texas “science” books and send them on field trips to the Creation Museum in Kentucky. They’ll be able to see the exhibits of caveman and dinosaurs together and the Tree of Knowledge there. That is a lot better than any stem cell research. And while we are at it, let’s stop all this NASA stuff. We”ll just hitch a ride with the Russians in their trusty Soyuz capsule if we want to do any space science. . We could also just wait for the Chinese to build their space station and exchange Us Treasury bonds for a ride up. I wonder if stem cell research is legal in outer space. And also, let’s stop the evolution versus creationist debate all together, and just go back to the three R’s – Reading (we rank number 23 in the world today by the way), Riting and Religion. With that curriculum, none of our kids will ever grow up wanting to be scientists and do stem cell research.

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Bosch:

Left undeniable evidence of my contention regarding Clayton County’s loss of accreditation downstairs

Ignore it if it makes your life easier.

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@@,

Why would I want to go downstairs to see your emotional meltdown because I had the gall to respond to you? Ignore you I shall.

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Left undeniable evidence of my contention regarding Clayton County’s loss of accreditation downstairs

Yeh right. And global warming is real! Ahhhhhhh hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa.

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Funny how Bosch thinks I’m always in a state of perpetual meltdown. Nothing could be further from the truth. I guess leaving her in a puddle is what constitutes MY meltdown.

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theyeshaveit,

Are there REALLY school districts that send their kids on field trips to the “creation museum”???

IF you’ve never been there… well…don’t take a trip out of your way to do so… but you NEED to go there! It’s like being drugged…without taking any drugs! I have to say…it was WELL worth the price of admission even though I knew the $$$ was going into the hands of a talibangelical working HARD at putting out misinformation). I have to say…I was “amazed” while there…the families… the kids…knowing those kids belonged to those families…and just WHAT they were being taught… AMAZING to see how it’s so easy to manipulate the mind of a child.

All that was missing was the Santa and Easter Bunny exhibit… where Santa, his elves, and the Easter bunny were playing cards together… sheeeesh!

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Matti

That’s the game. I love to watch commercials for medications just to hear the side effects. I always get a good laugh from those. I think the best one to date was Alli. One of the side effects that was stated when it was first released was explosive diarrhea. I think they’ve since changed it.

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heathen, I was not for the “stimulus”. Though the book is still out on it. And hyper-partisan proponents for and against are not believable.

However, I was ESPECIALLY against it as it was ostensibly designed to benefit American workers and families, rather than fund the corporate war machine. (You boys had the chance to heed Eisenhower’s warning, but your bloodlust got in the way.)

We simply are losing track of our priorities. And Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrup Gruman and Haliburton ain’t gonna put up with that for long.

But first we need to get us another Crusader in the White House…

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I don’t extend my respect to Palmetto bugs.

I always figured if I turned vegetarian, I’d view lobsters as just big-ol’ sea bugs, and indulge myself accordingly.

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godless heathen,

Here is the real cost of the Iraq War. Now, tell me, how does that stimulate you?

American Military Casualties in Iraq

Total In Combat
American Deaths
Since war began (3/19/03): 4416 3494
Since “Mission Accomplished” (5/1/03) (the list)
4277 3386
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 3955 3188
Since Handover (6/29/04): 3557 2861
Since Obama Inauguration (1/20/09): 188 89

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theyeshaveit@12:52 pm,

HOLY CRAP! Great post! (and very true)…

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I always figured if I turned vegetarian, I’d view lobsters as just big-ol’ sea bugs, and indulge myself accordingly.

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“Embryos….a marketable commodity.”

And that is a point with which I am in total agreement with you, @@.

“Thanks! (I’m vegan)… and YES…I do it to “lessen suffering”…

Saul–If it’s okay with you, I’d like to break my self-imposed silence with you to commend you on being a good person. I saw your posts a few weeks ago regarding your efforts to rescue abandoned dogs and meant to compliment you for your efforts. I’ve been peripherally involved with rescuing bunnies for several years now.

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Matti

August 24th, 2010
1:04 pm

I might “pay” to see that as well! Oops! I guess with my property taxes I DO! Can I “request” a copy? I’d LOVE to see just what I’m ‘payin’ for…. knowwhatimean?

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AmVet, I would argue it’s not even “blood lust” it’s naked, unabashed greed, which is couched as patriotism (national security) and relies on the bloodlust of the chickenhawk crowd. did you read “Flags of Our Fathers”? it seems to me the author was kind of suggesting that the “war machine” needs fuel and the profiteers (Ike’s M-I crowd) learned a valuable lesson from WWII. as with America’s sick irresponsible consumerism; war-mongers realized you could fund wars on credit (War Bonds). of course, the more recent mongers didn’t offer Americans the choice (buy bonds or not buy bonds), but it seems to me the neo-cons used WWII as a template for waging future “for profit” wars. no Hitler” talk about Communists and dominoes, or terrorists and Islamic designs on world domination.

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private companies and pharmaceuticals NEED us to be sick

And if you don’t believe it, just watch the ads that come on after dinner time. If they don’t feature drugs to treat heartburn, constipation, diarrhea, and other eating-related maladies, they address diseases you’ve never heard of in the hope that a few thousand people will say, “Hey! I feel like that sometimes!” The entire demand-pull emphasis of drug advertising is twisted.

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Bruno…you may… thanks!

hey…we ALL get pissy in our moods from time to time (I know “I” do)…it’s human nature to do so. I’m glad you rescue them. How could I POSSIBLY argue with that???

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Southern Comfort

August 24th, 2010
1:14 pm

SoCo…and I can make them tastier! Herbs and spices, don’t cha know.

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“If God had intended us to be vegans, he wouldn’t have made animals out of meat.

I did not climb to the top of the food chain to become vegan!”

Can I get a AMEN brotha!!!!!!!!!

tell that to a tiger face to face…you know…one not on “display” in a zoo!

Anyway…my “choice”…and I’ve never “preached” being a veggie or vegan here to anyone..though I’ve been “preached to” by members of various cults. Go figure!

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AH! Beeeerrrrr….

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“I did not climb to the top of the food chain to become vegan!”

LOL @ Normal. I eat meat in limited quantities as well, so I’m not preaching from any pedestal. We can only try to move in a good direction.

Out for a while, but wanted to commend everyone on an interesting and civil conversation today.

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“Oh…btw…dogs and cats are made out of “meat” too… how do they taste?”

I’ve never been to Asia so I don’t know.

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You can always boil your doggy in beer! i mean…if you rescue them from the shelter…it’s just pennies per pound compared to what you pay for beef (if you take the BIG ones)!

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This is TOO funny… how this how NOW become a thread of what different gnanimals taste like!

Anyway..to each their own…if you asked ANYONE I grew up with (most of all my parents)…if i’d have been a veggie…and then a vegan…they would have pee’d themselves…that includes myself! Trust me…I was the “grill king”… how it happened…I’m not sure…but my heart simply went in that direction after seeing some things about just HOW we treat animals as “commodities” instead of seeing them as living beings.

That’s just me. Enjoy. Not here to “convince” anyone who is right or wrong on this issue. I KNOW I’m FAR down the totem pole when it comes to my own choice and lifestyle. But I will never ask ANY of you to “convert” and become a veggie and/or vegan. I made my bed and I sleep comfortably in it.
Dat’s all!

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Vice President comes out swinging at the house minority leader speech today saying it was “as empty of economic ideas and Boehner as wanting to rewind the clock by rewarding rich people with tax cuts.”

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Matti

If it’s the Saturday after Thanksgiving, there’s only one color to wear. CRIMSON!!!!!! Although most every other Saturday, I’m in Black and Gold for my alma mater.

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Bruno,

Stem Cells! (The magic words should allow this one should post)

CSCO – you are correct on both points, products and cash. The issue is the stock has split as much as The Obama’s take vacations. This has diluted the stock to the point where there is very little room for it to move.

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So Comf,

Aww, man…. I thought I might’ve found a buddy…

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That purple medical weed is extraordinary high quality..

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Peadawg
August 24th, 2010
1:18 pm

“If God had intended us to be vegans, he wouldn’t have made animals out of meat.

I did not climb to the top of the food chain to become vegan!”

Can I get a AMEN brotha!!!!!!!!!

AGREE but I think you and I were born at the top of the chain!

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getalife

What’chou know about that purple???

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I was a meat eater until the Mad Cow disease scare , then i went vegitarian.

A lot happier and a lot lighter.

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@@,

I’m curious as to where you got that Clayton County information from – if anything it proves my earlier point that they lost accreditation because they failed to meet SACS standards — that information you posted says nothing about the groups mentioned and the information is suspect because it says that there was a conflict of interest in a board member was a member of a teacher union – so to me that says, that whoever supplied that information you posted doesn’t know what they are talking about.

It mentions administration incompetence, that has nothing to do with the professional organizations you mentioned earlier — and unless it specifically mentions them in the actual report, your speculations mean nothing.

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larry,

Hope you don’t eat eggs.

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Nope, thankfully i dont.

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About that whole top-of-the-food-chain thingie–It seems that we can be taken down by the tiniest of bugs.

(CNN) — Zemco Industries in Buffalo, New York, has recalled approximately 380,000 pounds of deli meat that may be contaminated with bacteria that can cause a potentially fatal disease, the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced Monday.

The meats may be contaminated with Listeria monocytogenes, which was discovered in a retail sample collected by inspectors in Georgia. The USDA has received no reports of illnesses associated with the meats.

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I’m Here, “Do you believe in the 1st amendment? Seriously? Your blogs censorship says you do not.”

If Jay or an assistant blocks your Tourette’s postings, it is not a violation of your First Amendment rights, amigo. But drama queens with so much idle time who crave so much attention are certainly free to start their own blogs.

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but……….but………….we dont need no stinking regulation.

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yeah – I saw on Cynthia’s blog how much you like dark meat, I’m here.

so I suppose you have vast experience in all things “ghetto”

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“Aww, man…. I thought I might’ve found a buddy…”

Matti–You really stepped in it that time!! But take heart, after last season, it should only be looking up for Auburn.

Just to get you cranked up for the season, SC, here’s the unofficial Alabama fight song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oW7AsVLW7w

Gotta love that train whistle!!!

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“I saw on Cynthia’s blog how much you like dark meat, I’m here.”

You too, bro????

No offense to American women, but those African girls really have it going on!!

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True fans are life-long. We don’t expect to win every year, but we do appreciate the GREAT years (even when we get scroooo’ed by the BCS)!

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Alabama, Auburn, sheesh!

You know it took an Auburn Judge to rule on an Alabama Alum’s divorce.
The question was after the divorce were they still brother and sister?

The Auburn Judge, said Yes, but only if they had the same uncle as a father. Roll tide!

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Speaking of eating animals…are we discussing school lunches?

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“Until your recent confession, I was inclined to listen to you on financial matters. Bless your heart!”

My investing luck fell apart last summer Matti when I sold my Citi stock prematurely in August, missing out on a huge gain. Since then, I keep looking for a big score which just isn’t there. The best anyone can do right now is make short-term trades, trying to catch a stock after a substantial decline, then sell it again after a modest gain. If I had been following that strategy, I could have almost doubled up again since last year. I’m still way ahead since last March, however.

My belief is that you are more of a long-term investor, looking ahead to retirement in 17 or so years. In your case, you may consider some of the bank stocks, which are likely undervalued right now. Bank of America is really in the tank, and may represent a good opportunity. As much as you hate the Republicans, I think a lot of companies are waiting on the sidelines until the current “Let’s Screw the Big Guys” Congress gets voted out in November.*

* All investing advice presented in this advertisement is for entertainment value only. Stocks may lose value at any time and are not insured by the FDIC.

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Nobody better not be cellin any a my stems, ats’ fer dang shore!

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As for short term picks look into STX, VVUS, HTZ, NANO or TSL.

NANO is a Stem Cell firm.

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Abrazos,

You da Jay man! Do you like lies to?

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“As for short term picks look into STX, VVUS, HTZ, NANO or TSL.”

Thanks for the tips, IH. Whenever any of those medical companies make any type of breakthrough, they often double or triple overnight.

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“who said we were talking about black women?”

I thought you made a reference to “dark meat”. My bad.

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SoCom

Chris Rock is funny, thanks!

Bosch

“Georgia will have about $400 million to invest in education reform as a winner of President Barack Obama’s Race to the Top competition.”

Congrats! And here I am, stuck in a state with a conservative Republican dingbat doofus governor who doesn’t believe in free enterprise and competition so we won’t even compete.

Meanwhile, my teacher sister took a two grand pay cut this year…

Oh and Jay

Good topic. Darn activist judges making rulings so they can stir up trouble and impose their personal ideology…… (take ruling one doesn’t like, use above statement, repeat).

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I’m a part-time vegetarian… like Jules in Pulp Fiction; “…my girlfriend is a vegetarian, so that kinda makes me a vegetarian…” to be honest, I don’t eat much meat, and some of the fake meat you can buy at the store isn’t bad, but it isn’t pork ribs or an 8 oz. fillet. my biggest “beef” with beef (and pork, and poultry) is the disregard for the ecosystem shown by huge corporate farms, and the Kamchack post about the actual process of “processing” meat from slaughterhouse to package, makes a vegan or vegetarian diet healthier. Ted Turner has some interesting thoughts on the matter (raising bison instead of cattle). any wild game (venison, elk, rabbit) is certainly a better alternative, but in a pinch, the Kroger or Publix meat counter is fine. but, at the end of the day homo sapiens are omnivores. our digestive tract, from incisors to intestines is set up to digest meat. damn, all this talk has taken the sustenance out of the black bean burger I had for lunch.

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Saul Good

August 24th, 2010
1:23 pm
Oh…btw…dogs and cats are made out of “meat” too… how do they taste?

Did you hear about the guy in NY who was MARINATING his cat in the trunk of his car…..crushed red peppers, chili pepper, salt and oil??

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/cops_stop_buffalo_chili_marinating_iHZjH1Q5fLVCYZo0SdEJQM#ixzz0xY7E50gj

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So the judge overrules an executive order from Obama? The guy must be a racist.

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‘Beat Whitey Night’: Iowa police probe racial attacks at state fair…

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“Oh…btw…dogs and cats are made out of “meat” too… how do they taste? ”

like chicken!

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Normal – Bruno

Paul

No problem. I put Chris Rock in the same ballpark as Richard Pryor. They can both make social commentary that’s right on point but still get a laugh in the process.

Bruno

Thanks to you, that BT is locked in my favorites now. Just waiting on the nonstop service on the Spirit of Ingram to board.

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larry–Not picking on Herschel, just matching Normal’s Alabama joke. I actually admired Herschel during his athletic career for his commitment to fitness without using steroids or even lifting weights. I do think his rep was tarnished a few years ago when he let some quack psychologist convince him he had some bogus mental condition called “dissociative identity disorder”.

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“Rangel Criticizes Obama For ‘Dignity’ Remark”

I didn’t think sharks attacked each other.

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Clair McCaskill, dem from Missouri ran on this last election and promised to make Missouri the embryonic stem cell research capitol of the world. Now it seems adult stem cells are producing much better results than embryonic and can anyone take a wag on whether MO is the capitol of anything under old Clair ?

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Q: How many UGA athletes does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: Only one, but the whole team gets course credit for it.

(Nods to Jan Kemp)

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(Reuters) – President Barack Obama’s July 2011 date to start withdrawing troops from Afghanistan has given a morale boost to Taliban insurgents, who believe they can wait out NATO forces, the top U.S. Marine said on Tuesday.

‘Ya think!!??!! One of the many instances where Obama should have kept his mouth shut.

But retiring General James Conway said he believed Marines would not be in a position to withdraw from the fight in southern Afghanistan for years, even though he acknowledged that Americans were growing “tired” of the 9-year-old war.

Conway’s unusually blunt assessment is likely to fan criticism of Obama’s war strategy ahead of U.S. congressional elections in November, as public opinion of the conflict sours further and casualties rise.

I was reading the other day where Odierno said combat troops will return to Iraq if conditions warrant.

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Bruno

August 24th, 2010
2:39 pm

Okay………………
He’s also the reason every time i see Donald Trump i change the channel. Putting that kind of money under a 21 year olds nose. There is no telling how many yards he would have gained his senior year, he probably would still hold the yardage and touchdown records.

But i digress………………………this isnt a sports blog.

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I guess the males amongst us needs to start checking the underwear real close. Wouldn’t want to disturb any of those cells. So if you find anything that looks, well, like it might be a cell, call the authorities to do a search and rescue.

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@@,

You can call margarine “butter” but it’s not butter, just like you can call MACE a “union” but it’s still not.

My original point was that they lost their accreditation because of failure to comply with SACS standards, which you have proved me right with your own postings, which is the only way to lose your accreditation. That conflict of interest was one of MANY listed in the ruling, so your original assertion that that was the ONLY reason was false. The ruling is here:

http://www.wsbtv.com/download/2008/0827/17314364.pdf

Again, it looks to me like the conflict of interest between board members and the professional organizations they happen to be members of is but a small piece of the dysfunctional puzzle, but if you need those imaginary bad teacher unions to make your life easier, then by all means.

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Bruno

August 24th, 2010
2:16 pm
..and Soco,

You know what Alamabama and Georgia Alums call Auburn and Georgia Tech alums?

Boss…

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I lost track of how many Ga Tech grads I had to fire because they did not know what a derivative was.

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Granny G,

Years ago, I used to live with a vegan. She did wonderful things with greens, nut, and berries, but around every three months or so, I was mad for red meat and I would go to the old Steak and Ale for a Porterhouse. She would sit there nibbling a salad and looking at me like I was a barbarian… fond memories!

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Leg Lamp

Piffle.

See Peter Orzag’s testimony 10/24/07 before House Budget comittee….available as PDF on line.

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“CBS Evening News with Katie Couric” tied its all-time low in total viewers with an average of 4.89 million tuning in

If the program were to lose two million more viewers, it would still be drawing more viewers on average than Fox News Channel’s highest rated show.

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Phil Gramm- better to be fired than having DNA three deviations from the mean. hmmh

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stands for decibels,

Nice apples to oranges comparision. Is this how you decide to vote to? For the whole picture here’s the results of cable news. Network vs, Cable is still like comparing the elephant to the mouse. But nice try and thanks for playing.

FNC – 651,000 viewers
CNN – 405,000 viewers
MSNBC – 399,000 viewers
CNBC – 186,000 viewers
HLN –216,000 viewers

FNC –754,000 viewers
CNN — 427,000 viewers
MSNBC –423,000 viewers
CNBC – 218,000 viewers
HLN – 191,000 viewers

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“While the “Sybil” cases are rare, it’s not that uncommon in lesser degrees.”

From personal experience, Matti, I think we all are schizophrenic to one degree or another.

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Oh, and Bosch. I have no desire to continue making you feel relevant thru exchanges or interactions.

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What is your point, amp squared.

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@@,

“There was disruption at the top (union conflicts) and that trickled down to the student body.”

That was ONE of the problems, not the ONLY. Just admit that. It’s in the ruling I posted.

I wouldn’t expect a paraprofessional to understand the workings of a professional organization considering you have never been a member, but it might do you some good to learn the difference between them before basing an argument upon it said knowledge.

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Oh, and Bosch. I have no desire to continue making you feel relevant thru exchanges or interactions.

In case you’re new to the blog, here’s an explanation.

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@@,

Oh, and I enjoy them as much as I would enjoy having bamboo shoved under my fingernails. You started this conversation, and again, when challenged it’s always funny to me how back peddle and get all poutrageous and pretend to ignore me.

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sfd,

I guess next she’ll use big words to tell everyone what a girlie doofus I am. Oh wait, she’s already used the “Bosch is a GIRL” in an earlier post. So next I guess it’s the big words when “I think Bosch is a doofus” would suffice.

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I think Mark Bradley is going to win the blog post race, today. His topic is “What SEC school has the most obnoxious fans”. That ought to be good for 1,000 posts at least.

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stands for decibles:

“Could you and @@ coordinate your little “Obama is the biggest poopie-head in the history of poopie heads: A series of meditations” playtime a little better?”

You are obviously not the parent of a Marine or soldier who will die unnecessarily because of Obama’s inane policy of telling the enemy when we are pulling out.

This is like a pro-football defense telling the offense when they are going to blitz.

Pathetic from our Commander in Chief.

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Normal:

Marine Commandant Wallace Green once stated that his biggest regret is that he and the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff did not resign en mass (and they discussed it) over the polices of Johnson and McNamara during the Vietnam War. It would have saved lives.

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The top management of Saudi-based media group Rotana met under the chairmanship of Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz Alsaud to discuss the latest developments at Rotana after its strategic alliance with global media giant News Corp.

Time for some damage control. Perhaps the talking bobble heads on FOX will learn about whom they are NOT allowed to diss while on the network. Saudi owners for example.

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You are obviously not the parent of a Marine or soldier who will die unnecessarily because of Obama’s inane policy of telling the enemy when we are pulling out.

Scout, did you get all weepy and call the Israelis “inane” when they made the tactical decision to announce their withdrawal from Lebanon in advance?

You know where you can go bow. Also.

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Lots of people on here just like Obama ……….. secretly you despise the military and could care less about their deaths.

“Kept by better men than yourself”

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Bosch:

I wouldn’t expect a paraprofessional to understand the workings of a professional organization considering you have never been a member…

I was a member, Bosch. It was during a one-year stint with the Fayette County school system.

GAE, MACE and PACE open their membership to paraprofessionals.

Now everyone seems to be a bit put out with our exchange…just as well, I’ve gotta take my daughter to the airport.

sfd:

Passive-Aggressive? Peter Pan Syndrome fits Bosch to a tee. Through his own admission he grew up with overbearing parents with an addiction to alcohol. It stands to reason why he prefers Neverland to the real world. He’s a big Michael Jackson fan too.

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josef @ 4:00:

Straight from the HMC catalog:

“Harvey Mudd College students are as familiar with calculators or computers as most persons are with ball point pens. Big deal. Not that computers aren’t important. They are. But calculators, computers and hardware never brought light into dark corners, or lifted the human spirit. People do. That is where Harvey Mudd College veered from the accepted norm on the day it was founded. It pioneered a philosophy now universally accepted…..that technology divorced from humanity is worse than no technology at all.”

Don’t sell yourself short, josef.

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This guy needs a strap-on bomb!

Video shows the controversial imam at the center of the debate over building a mosque near Ground Zero saying the U.S. has killed more innocents than Al Qaeda

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This guy needs a strap-on bomb!

What you got against FOX network. They do have a few pretty girls there.

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“the U.S. has killed more innocents than Al Qaeda”

IH–I’m as pro-US as they come, but there’s a certain truth to what he’s saying. I’ve always rationalized that by saying that being the world’s policeman means having blood on your hands.

Maybe I’ve been hanging around the JB blog too long. I’m starting to think like a liberal.

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@@,

You resort to lies and personal attacks against me all the time, but yet, I’m the emotionally needy one…..right.

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Hillbilly

The emmphasis on math and science to the exclusion of the humanities is, in my opinion, an outgrowth of the McCarthy era and the attendant space race. In that generation the humanities factulties were hounded unremittingly and any academic with a sense of self perservation knew better than to go there. Science, math and technology were more or less safe havens. In the thaw that came in the 1960s we swung to the opposite extreme of party line and the humanities were again sacrificed, the “safe havens” this time around again being science and technology. We have now produced three generations, while perhaps not “scared” to think, no longer know how, that is in the classical philosophical sense. We produce scientists with no moral compass nor real knowledge of the socio-cultural factors which determine so much of our fate. We produce hordes of PhD/s (Doctors of PHILOSOPHY) who have never cracked a book on, say Maimonides, and who have never taken a course in any of the great languages of Philosophy (Greek, Latin, Hebrew or Arabic)…it has become with each passing day more and more a paper chase from Mail In U, the piece of paper bought to increase the pay scale and little more….

Bruno
I don’t sell myself short, but I do know that I don’t have the understanding of the scientific in many issues to pass judgment beyond “gut feeling…” I do, though, tend to trust my gut at least in my personal views…

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ACT’s proprietary “embryo-safe” Single Blastomere technique for deriving human embryonic stem cells (hESCs), documented in Nature and CELL Stem Cell magazines and elsewhere, does not require destruction of the embryo and as a consequence may not be directly affected by this ruling.

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Video shows the controversial imam at the center of the debate over building a mosque near Ground Zero saying the U.S. has killed more innocents than Al Qaeda

If you look at it from a historical perspective, the US has been around for some 200 plus years whereas AQ has been around for 20-30 maybe. It would stand to reason that from the numerous engagements we’ve had since 1776, the total of innocent people killed would outweigh the number that AQ has killed in 20-30 years.

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If you look at it from a historical perspective, the US has been around for some 200 plus years whereas AQ has been around for 20-30 maybe.

But rightwingnuts prefer to look at matters from an hysterical perspective.

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Bosch

Hi handsome!

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Just a quickie.

The War on Drugs have killed at least ONE HUNDRED times the AMERICANS , than any Islamic group.

Thank you and have a nice day.

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Islamaphobia — A six syllable contraction of a pertinent question; Is llama a phobia?

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SotU

Most people don’t even realize that 9/11 is not the single deadliest day in U.S. history. There were more Americans killed during the Battle of Antietam on Sept. 17, 1862 than there were people killed on 9/11. There was over 3600 killed in action that day and more than 23,000 casualties making it the deadliest battle for American soldiers in the history of this country.

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Bosch

Thanks….but not sure I’ve given up CT’s.

Somebody has to battle the poo flingers.
Hope you’ll pop in and help from time to time.

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Mrs. G.! I just remembered! It’s almost September!!!

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Mrs. G.! I just remembered! It’s almost September!!!

Good luck, Mrs. G. I became a grandfather on July 13, and the feeling one gets when holding one’s first grandchild is indescribable. I’ve already begun the spoiling; on a recent trip, I bought her socks and a head covering featuring my college’s logo—not UGA, my son’s college.

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All I can say is that for each degree I earned, the company that employed me showed their approval by giving me both pay increases and promotions. Perhaps I was simply more fortunate than some. Perhaps not. It is a matter of perspective.

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Bosch,

Oh NO, she di-in’t! Did she insult yo Mama AND Michael Jackson? **fans self in disbelief** Time to get the vaseline and take the earrings off. Seriously, what a [insert word ladies don't acutally use]!

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From “The Meaning of It All” by Richard Feynman:

“Looking back at the worst times, it always seems that they were times in which there were people who believed with absolute faith and absolute dogmatism in something. And they were so serious in this matter that they insisted that the rest of the world agree with them. And then they would do things that were directly inconsistent with their own beliefs in order to maintain that what they said was untrue.

It is in the admission of ignorance and the admission of uncertainty that there is a hope for the continuous motion of human beings in some direction that doesn’t get confined as it has so many times before in various periods in the history of man. I say that we do not know what the meaning of life is and what are the right moral values.

Admitting that we do not know, and maintaining perpetually the attitude that we do not know the direction necessarily to go, permit a possibility of of alteration, of thinking, of new contributions and new discoveries for the problem of developing a way to do what we want ultimately, even when we do not know what we want”

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Hillbilly

As you know, I’ve been paying attention to Monds and education is one of my key issues. He impressed the hell out of men when he said that “people forget that education and schooling are not the same thing.” My Uncle Ralph, the leprachaun of the hedge school, was recognized by all who ever met him as one of the best educated people they had met. He was a 4th grade dropout..the story of why, itself quite the tale…and yet he spoke French and German, read Hebrew, Greek and Latin, could count angels on the head of a pin with the cabbalists, built a helicopter that flew (well, got off the ground!), made a fine distilled spirit, and could perform the most sophisticated mathematical procedures, and knew history like the back of his hand…I could go on and on…but he was not at all unusual in his generation in time and place…ask him, and he would tell you that he left school because it got in the way of his education…

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“This, unfortunately, is playing right into their hands,” said Evan F. Kohlmann, who tracks these kinds of websites and chat rooms for Flashpoint Global partners, a New York-based security firm. “Extremists are encouraging all this, with glee.

“It is their sense that by doing this that Americans are going to alienate American Muslims to the point where even relatively moderate Muslims are going to be pushed into joining extremist movements like al-Qaida. They couldn’t be happier.”

kookman is a Muslim?

It does clear up alot of issues, just sayin…

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Bruno:

Amen ! And I would add that calling oneself a “Christian” does not make one so.

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So what’s wrong with human cloning?

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“what a [insert word ladies don't acutally use]!”

Matti @ 4:52

I refer you to Shakespeare’s Twelfth Night (Act II, Scene V): “There be her very Cs, her Us, and her Ts: and thus makes she her great Ps.”

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Bruno:

I’ve not only admitted to being imperfect, but far FROM perfect.

Bosch:

When she loses arguments, she resorts to flinging feces and personal attacks.

Have I ever called you a liar or a b*tch? Girly maybe, but never a b*tch. Needy maybe, but never a liar.

Bruno, again:

I’d just chalk it up to more of her brand of “Christian love”, Bosch.

Why don’t you tell me what brand of Christian you think I am, other than flawed, as are we all.

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“Amen ! And I would add that calling oneself a “Christian” does not make one so.”

And an Amen back at ya, Scout!!

“it comes when we get arrogant in assuming that we CAN find all the answers and one or the other faction comes up with the nifty little idea that it has a patent on “the truth” and brand as heresy any who don’t agree.”

Which is why I can’t behind Scout’s crusade to label all Muslims evil. There’s probably something we can learn from them, though I’m not sure what that is yet. The name “Islam” itself means “submission or surrender”, which is the same message I heard from many here (HD led the way) in response to my question about what being a Christian meant to them.

http://muslimvoices.org/word-islam-meaning/

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USinUK @12.01pm..Oh if the occasion arises,they’ll take it …you can bet on it!!

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“Why don’t you tell me what brand of Christian you think I am, other than flawed, as are we all.”

I’ll have to refer you to sfd to pick up your own WWHDD bracelet. I’m no expert, but he seems to provide a great example for us to follow on the blog. I’m sure he’s wanted to whip my ass several times for my attacks on religion, but has shown a level of restraint and class that we all can admire.

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“That’s why I somewhat tend to look past those who make comments like “this is the worst thing ever” because what may be the worst for that person could be the best thing for me”

And that’s why *I* can’t get all worked up to be anti-abortion or anti-embryonic stem cell research. Because we don’t KNOW…maybe never being a living, breathing human being might be the best thing that could happen to that developing embryo.

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SoCo
Much agreed…it’s like our previous discussion that the most glorious chapter of one people’s history may be the most tragic of another’s…I remember back in elementary school when I came home telling about what I was learning about Columbus and Granddaddy sat me down for the “home lesson…” It began with his agreement that the Great Navigator was indeed one of the great men of our civilization. Then he instructed me in what 1492 was “to our people” and then the lesson in unintended consequences to the native inhabitants and the sons of Africa…a glorious page in the great sweep of our common human story, but for you and me, a dark page of pain…

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Leftovers of dead horse meat upstairs…

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Bruno

Touchdown! Home run! Hat Trick! Hole in one! Goal!

that said

mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

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Granny G

“mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa”

Is you one of them papists? Insiduous lot bent on world domination!

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