Judge’s ruling on stem-cell research may politicize issue

According to a ruling Monday by U.S. District Court Judge Royce Lamberth, U.S. law forbids federal funding of any scientific research using human embryonic stem cells. The decision invalidates an executive order issued by President Obama shortly after taking office in 2009 that expanded federal support for such research, and for that reason was quickly applauded by the Family Research Council and other right-to-life groups.

In issuing a preliminary injunction against such funding, Lamberth cited a law dating back to 1996 that forbids federal funding of “research in which a human embryo or embryos are destroyed, discarded, or knowingly subjected to risk of injury or death.” Until now, that law had been read to prohibit federal funding for the actual creation of embryonic stem cell lines — which requires the destruction of an embryo — but not subsequent research into the use of those stem cells.

Had it been in effect at the time, Lamberth’s ruling would also have invalidated the stem-cell policy of President Bush, who limited federally funded stem-cell research to 21 already-existing embryonic cell lines. However, those lines also were created through the destruction of embryos, and by Lamberth’s logic were thus ineligible for federal funding.

Under Obama’s policy, stem cell lines could be derived only from embryos that had been created for use in fertility treatments and were no longer needed for that purpose. That safeguard was intended to prevent the creation of embryos for the sole purpose of destroying them. Those embryos also had to be “donated by the individuals who sought reproductive treatment . . . and who gave voluntary written consent for the human embryos to be used for research purposes.” It also barred any financial compensation or inducement for donating embryos for research.

Lamberth’s ruling dismisses those safeguards as meaningless.

According to The Washington Post, the decision has stunned much of the scientific community.

“This is devastating, absolutely devastating,” said Amy Comstock Rick, immediate past president of the Coalition for the Advancement of Medical Research, a group of patient organizations that has been lobbying for more federal funding.

“We were really looking forward to research finally moving forward with the full backing of the NIH. We were really looking forward to the next chapter when human embryonic stem cells could really be explored for their full potential. This really sets us back,” Rick said. “Every day we lose is another day lost for patients waiting for cures.”

“I have had to tell everyone in my lab that when they feed their cells tomorrow morning, they better use media that has not been funded by the federal government,” Dr. George Q. Daley, director of the stem cell transplantation program at Children’s Hospital Boston, told The New York Times. (”Media” refers to food given to cells). “This ruling means an immediate disruption of dozens of labs doing this work since the Obama administration made its order.”

It’s not clear whether Lamberth’s ruling will hold. Courts have the power to intervene in such matters only if the executive branch is clearly and unambiguously breaking the law. Three consecutive administrations have concluded otherwise, believing that research using stem cell lines can and should be distinguished from research using embryos.

And as a practical matter, it’s hard to see what right-to-life groups have gained in the ruling. A significant number of human embryos created in vitro for fertility treatments are destroyed or abandoned every day in this country. It’s an inevitable by-product of the process. The odds against any single embryo implanting in the womb are so high that large numbers of embryos have to be created in hopes that one or two will be successful. Once pregnancy is achieved, any leftover embryos are literally put into cold storage for possible future use, and many are left there until discarded.

The Obama administration will almost certainly appeal the ruling and seek to block the preliminary injunction, although no announcement to that effect has been made. It may also try to correct the problem through Congress, which would put the volatile issue in the political arena. If it takes that tack, the administration would seem to have public opinion on its side.

As the WSJ notes:

“A 2009 poll by Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found 54% of adults think it’s more important to conduct the research that might result in medical cures vs. 32% who said it was more important not to destroy the potential life of a human embryo.”

328 comments Add your comment

F. Sinkwich

August 24th, 2010
11:18 am

A sound ruling.

Redneck Convert (R---and proud of it)

August 24th, 2010
11:25 am

At last, a real Conservative judge. I don’t care how many people die, long as the little embryos stay alive.

Granny Godzilla

August 24th, 2010
11:28 am

How long before a single ovum or spermatazoa is “potential life”?
Men will have a lot of record keeping to do.

Congress better do something about the Dickey-Wicker amendment.

Whacks Eloquent

August 24th, 2010
11:28 am

“Judge’s ruling on stem-cell research may politicize issue”

C’mon Jay…ya think! What’s the “may”? This is an issue that those on both sides get rabid about. Obama’s policy seems fairly logical to me, and does not promote abortion – I would draw the line at that too!

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
11:34 am

ObamaMagic! Thank A Democrat!

Home sales plunge 27% to lowest in 15 years
Sales of previously occupied homes fell to the lowest level in 15 years last month as the economy weakened.

TaxPayer

August 24th, 2010
11:35 am

Take this pill and wait ’til the morning after and we’ll see how it goes.

Peadawg

August 24th, 2010
11:36 am

I’m actually for stem cell research. Atleast the embryos are being used to save someone’s life one day.

Jefferson

August 24th, 2010
11:40 am

I bet if the Judge had a disease that could be cured using stem cells or he would die a horrible death he would see it different.

Whacks Eloquent

August 24th, 2010
11:40 am

Peadawg, I agree. Especially if they are using just leftover embryos from fertility treatment. Once the “donors” are done and have what they want, they really have no need for the rest. Without ever having a link to mama, it will never be a baby, imo anyway.

ty webb

August 24th, 2010
11:40 am

I am all for stem cell research as well… just not for federal funding for it…Oh yeah, “neocon”.

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
11:41 am

What’ch gonna do when they come for you?

Federal agents are seeking to hire Ebonics translators to help interpret wiretapped conversations involving targets of undercover drug investigations.

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
11:42 am

ACORN Voters and Workers Beware!

Secretary of State Brian Kemp said Monday that the Justice Department has given final preclearance to a controversial state system of verifying voters’ identification and citizenship.

Peadawg

August 24th, 2010
11:44 am

Whacks

Ya, to me this is different than abortion, which I’m 100% against unless the mother’s in danger. If they can figure out how to regrow an organ using stem cells, by all means go for it.

Off topic, but let’s just hope it doesn’t end of like the movie ‘Repo Men’. :)

Blankfein

August 24th, 2010
11:45 am

I don’t appreciate these folks trying to horn in on my territory.

AmVet

August 24th, 2010
11:46 am

Great. Yet more misguided attempts to set back advances in the research of cancer, spinal cord injuries, diabetes, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, schizophrenia and many other maladies.

Thank goodness the neo-cons (hat tip, ty) weren’t able to derail history taking, the physical exam, surgical anesthesia, tissue culture, the x-ray, the ECG and molecular medicine…

USinUK

August 24th, 2010
11:48 am

oh, joy … more breastbeating about “snowflake babies” … more religion over science …

oy.

Bruno

August 24th, 2010
11:49 am

“Had it been in effect at the time, Lamberth’s ruling would also have invalidated the stem-cell policy of President Bush, who limited federally funded stem-cell research to 21 already-existing embryonic cell lines.”

Once again, Jay, stem cells come from three main sources, “unused” embryos being only one of the three. Umbilical cord blood and adult bone marrow are the other two. By not clarifying that, you are feeding into the false hysteria perpetuated during the Bush years that ALL stem cell research is being “blocked” in some way.

Thus far, the fetal stem cell research has yielded the fewest results, and raises what I consider to be valid objections to disrespecting the sanctity of life.

Bruno

August 24th, 2010
11:50 am

From Wiki:

“After nearly ten years of research,[15] there are no approved treatments using embryonic stem cells. The first human trial was approved by the US Food & Drug Administration in January 2009.[16] However, as of August 2010, the first human trial had not yet been initiated. ES cells, being pluripotent cells, require specific signals for correct differentiation – if injected directly into another body, ES cells will differentiate into many different types of cells, causing a teratoma. Differentiating ES cells into usable cells while avoiding transplant rejection are just a few of the hurdles that embryonic stem cell researchers still face.”

and

“Adult stem cell treatments have been successfully used for many years to treat leukemia and related bone/blood cancers through bone marrow transplants.[25] Adult stem cells are also used in veterinary medicine to treat tendon and ligament injuries in horses.[26]

The use of adult stem cells in research and therapy is not as controversial as embryonic stem cells, because the production of adult stem cells does not require the destruction of an embryo. Additionally, because in some instances adult stem cells can be obtained from the intended recipient, (an autograft) the risk of rejection is essentially non-existent in these situations. Consequently, more US government funding is being provided for adult stem cell research.[27]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell

Bubba

August 24th, 2010
11:52 am

Gee, I was under the impression that the judge’s task was to interpret the law, not decide the ethical issue of embroynic stem cell research. Isn’t that what he did?

ty webb

August 24th, 2010
11:52 am

Ah yes, the federal government, which fails at just about everything they do, is now our last great hope against cancer…great! oh yeah…”neocon”.

Bruno

August 24th, 2010
11:54 am

“Great. Yet more misguided attempts to set back advances in the research of cancer, spinal cord injuries, diabetes, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, schizophrenia and many other maladies.”

“oh, joy … more breastbeating about “snowflake babies” … more religion over science … ”

AmVet and USinUK–Do you recognize that stem cells come from more than one source, and that the least productive, most problematic of these three sources, embryonic stem cells, also raises legitimate moral objections??

Normal

August 24th, 2010
11:54 am

I’m Here From The Government and I’m Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
11:34 am

Exactly how is the President to blame for this?

paleo-neo-Carlinist

August 24th, 2010
11:55 am

AmeVet, I get the gist of your post, but let’s not go deifying the medical research enterprise (big Pharm) anymore than the neo-cons like to deify fetuses. I honestly don’t know where I stand on this (family member with Parkinson’s), but as I said, cancer, spinal injuries, cancer, Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s are part of life. do we want to place a “price” in life (you’re sick; how much you got?). the cynic in me dismisses the “pro-life” and the “let’s cure cancer” positions as more self-serving than altruistic. that said; the libertarian in me says; do all the research you want, just to ask me to pay (taxes). this whole obsession with “life” originates from the same place as Islamofacism (fear of the unknown, trying to insert gods and monsters into life).

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
11:56 am

The war on terrorism continues as America pulls out?

Iraqi security forces killed two enemy fighters and arrested 22 suspects believed to have terrorism ties in recent operations in Iraq, military officials reported.

hans

August 24th, 2010
11:58 am

Christian’s still think the Earth is the center of the universe, its to much to ask them to recognize science to the detriment of their fairy-tale bible.

landry

August 24th, 2010
12:00 pm

The war on intelligence continues with the vapid blogging of, I’m Here……

USinUK

August 24th, 2010
12:01 pm

Bruno – “AmVet and USinUK–Do you recognize that stem cells come from more than one source, and that the least productive, most problematic of these three sources, embryonic stem cells, also raises legitimate moral objections??”

since my sister was diagnosed with MS nearly 20 years ago, yes, I’m aware that there is more than one source of stem cells. I even realize that they’re making great advances in adult stem cells.

as for “legitimate moral objections”, I’m sorry, but we’re talking a glob of cells – people should win over a glob of cells every time. if there are people out there who don’t agree with it, they don’t have to take the therapy, should they ever need it.

stands for decibels

August 24th, 2010
12:01 pm

Jay, while you’ve done your typically sound, down the middle approach to a story some of us are only now getting around to learning about… the title?

For a minute there I thought The New Republic had re-opened their “Most boring headline” contest (previously held by the spellbinding “Election Turnout in Netherlands Lower than Expected”)

Anyway, I guess my short answer is if the 1996 law really can be interpreted to render even the Bush embryonic stem cell lines illegal, it’s time to change the law. And given that this is a winning issue for Dems and a loser issue for the GOP, full speed ahead. Please.

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
12:03 pm

landry,

I bet your HOT in a Burka!

stands for decibels

August 24th, 2010
12:04 pm

Jay, you going to do something about the off-topic troll/spam bot?

Koch Brothers, Inc., LLC

August 24th, 2010
12:05 pm

Exactly how is the President to blame for this?

Let us see. He’s black and he’s a Muslim and he’s a facist and a communist and a socialist and a Democrat and he probably eats babies too. But worse than all that, he wants to raise taxes on us Tea Partiers.

AmVet

August 24th, 2010
12:05 pm

I do not discount legitimate moral concerns, as is the case with abortion, death penalty, etc. But being a pragmatist, I see this issue as pretty much contrived.

As I freely acknowledge my lack of expertise in this matter, I am not concerned about looking foolish (Like I EVER am? LOL!)

The number one advantage of embryonic stem cell research is that they can be manipulated and grown into any type of cell in the human body. Unlike adult stem cells, embryonic cells contain the genetic information for every cell type. This means that scientists can use any cell to grow nerve, blood, tissue or other cells. The advantage to this is that scientists can see how and why a certain cell develops. This will aid them in understanding the differences between different cells and their full function within development and growth. According to the American Medical Association, there are approximately 215 clinics around the country that house an estimated 2.2 million human embryos. The majority of these embryos have no use and will be discarded unless research is conducted.

I cannot and will not argue the merits of one type of research over the other. My contention is simple, if ANY worthwhile and valuable research is available, there had better be a damn good reason to disallow it.

I simply don’t see that as being the case here…

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
12:07 pm

Jays censorship is alive and well. Only Democrats censor their blogs. Par for the course!

Normal

August 24th, 2010
12:08 pm

Koch Brothers, Inc., LLC

August 24th, 2010
12:05 pm

OK, That I can believe… :)

AmVet

August 24th, 2010
12:09 pm

stands, he’s just miffed that he can’t act like a petulant brat like he does over at Tucker’s.

Where he has plenty of cousins…

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
12:09 pm

stands for decibels

I hope so! I could not sleep last night thinking about stem cell reseach! :)

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
12:12 pm

golly gee…. stem cells! That will solve all our problems? Maybe Obama could become s stem cell and we could have 1,000’s more just like him. What a wonderful world that would be!

Little Bit of Me

August 24th, 2010
12:12 pm

But they’re not just a “glob of cells”. Don’t you realize that if you put them under an electron microscope as little as 10 nanoseconds, plus or minus twenty milliseconds, after inception, you can see their little bitty eyes staring back at you. How could you be so cruel and insensitive to even entertain the thought of ending that precious political tool in its prime. The shock.

USinUK

August 24th, 2010
12:14 pm

Little Bit of Me … 12:12 … I know … they’re practically driving and shopping at the mall and texting with their little jeans (genes?) hanging low …

Peadawg

August 24th, 2010
12:14 pm

” its to much to ask them to recognize science to the detriment of their fairy-tale bible.”

Stem cell research to help find cures, yes. Evolution, hell no.

AmVet

August 24th, 2010
12:15 pm

paleo, you raise a very valid point.

Here’s another – the amount of money allocated for this research is chump change. $39Million.

Compare that with the corporate subsides and giveaways tor BIG Pharma and it is a joke.

MUCH of the research is done at publicly funded institutions of higher learning and then basically given away to these corporations.

Then Uncle Sam, after doing so, doesn’t even demand that BIG Pharma allow him decent pricing on the bounty they make.

Now that is where the consumers and taxpayers should be directing their wrath…

Bruno

August 24th, 2010
12:15 pm

“we’re talking a glob of cells – people should win over a glob of cells every time.”

USinUK–I understand your feelings about “globs of cells”, and share them to some extent. I also sympathize with you regarding your sister’s condition. My objections to using “globs of cells” which are also developing humans for any other purpose other than to develop a human are more philosophical than practical. I believe that there are certain lines which shouldn’t be crossed however useful the results may be. The Nazis did a lot of medical experimentation on live humans which yielded a lot of good information. I still don’t think it was right.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 24th, 2010
12:17 pm

Stem Cells or Real Estate? Which is costing us money?

Sales of previously owned U.S. homes dropped more steeply than expected in July to their lowest pace in 15 years, an industry group said on Tuesday, implying further loss of momentum in the economic recovery. The National Association of Realtors said sales dropped a record 27.2 percent from June to an annual rate of 3.83 million units, the lowest level since May 1995. June’s sales pace was revised down to a 5.26 million-unit pace.

USinUK

August 24th, 2010
12:19 pm

Bruno – “The Nazis did a lot of medical experimentation on live humans which yielded a lot of good information. I still don’t think it was right”

which is why that comparison isn’t appropriate.

these aren’t living humans. these aren’t sentient beings. these are a cluster of cells that will be destroyed because the egg and sperm donors no longer have a use for them.

keep your (not you-your, but the generic “your”) Bible out of my science.

John-Pauls' Reconstitutional

August 24th, 2010
12:19 pm

All I know is it was supposed to be entitled “The Book of Revolutions,” a pre-television version of “As the World Turns.” People have taken it all out of context.

Saul Good

August 24th, 2010
12:20 pm

I have a good friend who is an embryologist in NYC… what Jay said above is true… many (if not a MAJORITY) of fertilized eggs (embryos according to the “sanctity of life” crowd that supports the death penalty and munched popcorn while watching “shock and awe”) are discarded each and every single day.

If the “sanctity of life” cheerleaders cared about LIFE for the “already living”… they’d support embryonic stem cell research. Most of all…it’s pathetic how the Talbangelical crowd gets so up in arms about every baby being born from a fertilized egg…yet they are silent on the eggs fertilized and discarded via IVF)…it makes ZERO sense.

If a fertilized egg is a “human”…why is IVF okay? More fertilized eggs are “discarded” every year compared to the number of abortions performed…

Can’t have a baby? ADOPT one. Against abortion? ADOPT a child that needs a home instead of having the mother give birth and provide a crappy life for their child… Sad that those against abortion adopt so few… Palin’s little failed “project” Handel…spoke about all the money she spent..and years she spent trying to conceive (and some Evilgelicals called her “infertile”…NICE touch!)….yet I never heard her ONCE say that she wanted to ADOPT a child. Give a child who NEEDS a home one…

Prolife? Start working HARD and getting every single kid that NEEDS a home a GOOD home… get back to us when you’ve finished the job. Sanctity of “life” means giving a crap about the ALREADY born… not just embryos…

I won’t even get into the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s killed because we went there… no tears shed for them huh?

David Granger

August 24th, 2010
12:21 pm

I’d like to see a lot more stem-cell research, myself…and I think that President Obama’s policy was a reasonable one. However:
1, The law is the law, and should be followed. If it’s a BAD law, as I believe this one is, it should be revised. (And revised by congress, not just by a federal judge wink-winking it away.) But until then, it is the law of the land and should be followed.
2. You’re right that this will politicize the issue, Jay…but it’s ALWAYS been politicized.

Soames

August 24th, 2010
12:21 pm

Let’s see..the federal government is funding two wars, record unemployment, investment bank bailouts…why not stem cell research? We’ll just print more monopoly money…that’ll cover it.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 24th, 2010
12:21 pm

Stem Cells or The Continued Two Week Slide in Stocks? Which one cost you money?

NEW YORK (AP) — Stocks fell Tuesday after another disappointing report on the housing market renewed worries about the economy.

The Dow Jones industrial average lost about 80 points in midday trading after news that sales of previously occupied homes fell last month to their lowest level in 15 years.

The NAZI Card

August 24th, 2010
12:21 pm

It only took 42 posts this time.
You LOVE me! You REALLY, REALLY LOVE me!

godless heathen

August 24th, 2010
12:22 pm

“you can see their little bitty eyes staring back at you. ”

LOL! And maybe a little tear when you speak of offing them in the name of research.

Bruno

August 24th, 2010
12:23 pm

“My contention is simple, if ANY worthwhile and valuable research is available, there had better be a damn good reason to disallow it.”

It may be splitting hairs somewhat, Am, but nothing is being “disallowed” in this case. Private research isn’t being limited in any way, the ruling only affects federal funding. In light of both the moral objections AND the lack of any productive results from fetal stem cell research, I’m ok with dropping federal funding. If there is any good to come from the research, then private companies can blaze the trail.

I'm here from the government and I'm here to help

August 24th, 2010
12:24 pm

Stem Cells or A Treasury Running Out Of Control. Which one is Devaluing your Money?

A report by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York last week showed that consumers are having difficulty climbing out of the debt hole they dug for themselves before the credit bubble began to deflate in late 2007. The report gives support to the fears of those asset managers and economists who believe the U.S. is facing deflation.

harvey

August 24th, 2010
12:25 pm

Wow. and here I am just worried about the next rise in property taxes for DeKalb occasioned by our commissioners wanting to help out some developer to the tune of $50 million or so. When do they get real? Are they having their pockets lined? I would guess so, because otherwise what they do doesn’t make any sense at all. We are due to implode, if we haven’t already. Stem cells, well, if no one wants to use them to make a baby with, then why not?

Jimmy62

August 24th, 2010
12:25 pm

The judge is enforcing the law as written. He didn’t write the law, politicians did. Not his fault the Democrats have been in charge of Congress since 2006 and haven’t bothered to deal with this issue that was such a major crisis when Bush was President.

Soames

August 24th, 2010
12:29 pm

Jimmy62 – Good point.

getalife

August 24th, 2010
12:30 pm

Does it work?

If not, cut it.

The dems can win on regulation.

“Russ Feingold: I Won’t Be Done In By Citizens United Ruling.” HP

corporate payback.

stands for decibels

August 24th, 2010
12:30 pm

Jay quotes a Pew poll:

54% of adults think it’s more important to conduct the research that might result in medical cures vs. 32% who said it was more important not to destroy the potential life of a human embryo.

I’ve two take-aways from this:

1) Democrats hold an advantage on this issue
2) Democrats will find a way to turn the ball over to Republicans on this issue.

Bruno

August 24th, 2010
12:31 pm

“these aren’t living humans. these aren’t sentient beings. these are a cluster of cells that will be destroyed because the egg and sperm donors no longer have a use for them.”

That’s a matter of opinion. I took a full course in embryology in college, and it’s amazing how quickly the organ systems develop. I don’t think we can make definitive judgments yet about whether the developing human is “sentient” or not. I personally believe that all living beings are sentient and worthy of respect, along the lines on Jainist philosophy.

For the record, I also oppose IVF. There are plenty enough children to adopt in the world that we don’t need to take such unnecessary, drastic measures.

“keep your (not you-your, but the generic “your”) Bible out of my science.”

I quote to you from the Harvey Mudd college handbook: “Technology divorced from humanity is worse than no technology at all”. It’s not a Bible thing, USinUK, it’s a human thing.

AmVet

August 24th, 2010
12:32 pm

Soames, again the amount of money allocated for eHSC is $39M/year.

About what the botched invasions cost every three hours.

The total now approaching $1,100,000,000,000.00

Matti

August 24th, 2010
12:34 pm

If there is any good to come from the research, then private companies can blaze the trail.

Yes, they will blaze the trail to a lifetime of profitable drugs. When is they last time they “cured” anything? No private industry will fund the cure for something they can keep you coming back to the pharmacy forever to “treat.”

barking frog

August 24th, 2010
12:36 pm

This is a major blow for stem cell research, this
research is seeking CURES. Pharmaceuticals
research and patent TREATMENTS. Without
federal funding this research will cease.

harvey

August 24th, 2010
12:37 pm

Hey, just heard, mounting a campaign does help. Dekalb commissioners voted against the GM developer!! YES.

Bruno

August 24th, 2010
12:39 pm

“The Dow Jones industrial average lost about 80 points in midday trading after news that sales of previously occupied homes fell last month to their lowest level in 15 years.”

Thanks for reminding me, I’m here. I lost more than $1 per share on my CSCO purchase in the last two days. I guess that’s why I’m not a stock trader.

landry

August 24th, 2010
12:39 pm

DAD:
There are Jews in the world.
There are Buddhists.
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed, but
I’ve never been one of them.

I’m a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They’ll take you as soon as you’re warm.

You don’t have to be a six-footer.
You don’t have to have a great brain.
You don’t have to have any clothes on. You’re
A Catholic the moment Dad came,

Because

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

GIRL:
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can’t be found.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

MUM:
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

MEN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
WOMEN:
If a sperm is wasted,…
CHILDREN:
…God get quite irate.

PRIEST:
Every sperm is sacred.
BRIDE and GROOM:
Every sperm is good.
NANNIES:
Every sperm is needed…
CARDINALS:
…In your neighbourhood!

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
FUNERAL CORTEGE:
God needs everybody’s.
MOURNER #1:
Mine!
MOURNER #2:
And mine!
CORPSE:
And mine!

NUN:
Let the Pagan spill theirs
O’er mountain, hill, and plain.
HOLY STATUES:
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that’s spilt in vain.

EVERYONE:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaaate!

Bosch

August 24th, 2010
12:40 pm

OMG, karma is getting me back. I actually agree with Peadawg TWICE in one whole day!!!

:-)

Saul Good

August 24th, 2010
12:40 pm

“For the record, I also oppose IVF. There are plenty enough children to adopt in the world that we don’t need to take such unnecessary, drastic measures.”

That’s one issue we’ll agree upon Bruno…I too oppose IVF…but ONLY because of the failure of those who spend their money on it…who have the MEANS to spend the money on adoption..fail to do so. Adopt every child LIVING that needs a home…and then IVF just “might” be a viable option…but it will never be one… because there will ALWAYS be homeless children needing homes.

Let me ask of those who oppose abortion…WHY do you not picket and stand outside of IVF clinics in the same way you do abortion clinics? The “logic” of anti abortionists always come down to this: a “fertilized egg” is a “human”… yet millions of “fertilized eggs” are discarded via IVF. If anything…it makes the “argument” of the anti-abortionists quite weak… actually very weak.

stands for decibels

August 24th, 2010
12:40 pm

I personally believe that all living beings are sentient and worthy of respect, along the lines on Jainist philosophy.

Not to be snarky here, but wow, really? My incredibly limited understanding of Jainism is that they’re not just vegetarian, they take special steps to avoid killing insects while harvesting the veggies they do eat.

I’m not vegan, or vegetarian (or even all that picky about what kind of meat I do eat) but I do have kind of an awe for those who manage to tread that righteous path as part of an overall commitment to lessen suffering.

@@

August 24th, 2010
12:40 pm

I’m in total agreement with Bruno on this point:

Thus far, the fetal stem cell research has yielded the fewest results, and raises what I consider to be valid objections to disrespecting the sanctity of life.

AND…

That safeguard was intended to prevent the creation of embryos for the sole purpose of destroying them. Those embryos also had to be “donated by the individuals who sought reproductive treatment . . . and who gave voluntary written consent for the human embryos to be used for research purposes.” It also barred any financial compensation or inducement for donating embryos for research.

Given the government’s lack of oversight on so many issues, there’s no reason to believe they’d be any better at monitoring fertility clinics.

Embryos….a marketable commodity.

I'm Here From The Government and I'm Here To Help

August 24th, 2010
12:41 pm

CSCO has been in th etank for years!

Try VZ or AMEX!

Granny Godzilla

August 24th, 2010
12:41 pm

landry

love that song……such a snappy melody and great to dance to
(just not too close)

Bosch

August 24th, 2010
12:42 pm

“which fails at just about everything they do, is now our last great hope against cancer”

Except for the fact that most of the “cures” for things are funded for through federal funds — remember, the National Institutes of Health are a federal, commie, enterprise.

Soames

August 24th, 2010
12:42 pm

AmVet…again, every dollar counts. The Republicans have de-regulated us into oblivion and the Democrats have spent us into oblivion. Maybe we should wait until the economy starts to show some real signs of recovery before we dole out more money for our government to spend!

Southern Comfort

August 24th, 2010
12:44 pm

Judge’s ruling on stem-cell research may politicize issue

Jay

Were you splashing around in the hot tub time machine while you were on vacation? If you had said further politicize issue, I’d concur. This issue has been politicized for so long, that until this ruling, it was a non-issue for many.

Bruno

August 24th, 2010
12:46 pm

“When is they last time they “cured” anything? No private industry will fund the cure for something they can keep you coming back to the pharmacy forever to “treat.”

Matti–That’s one conspiracy theory that I will agree with you wholeheartedly on. With simple lifestyle changes, the majority of what ails our society (heart disease, cancer, diabetes, arthritis) would disappear overnight. However, human nature is such that the average person is far more willing to spend huge sums of money on passive treatment than to take control of their own health. Sad, but true.

Doggone/GA

August 24th, 2010
12:46 pm

Soco…I agree. My first thought was “when WASN’T it a politicized issue?”

Bosch

August 24th, 2010
12:47 pm

I’ve really never understood the criticisms of this — would a wingnut like to explain. Is it just that you don’t want federal funds to pay for it, and that private companies should do the research — if so, you really don’t know how medical research is done in this country — or is it the whole “it could possibly be a baby” thing?

Saul Good

August 24th, 2010
12:47 pm

stands for decibels: “I’m not vegan, or vegetarian (or even all that picky about what kind of meat I do eat) but I do have kind of an awe for those who manage to tread that righteous path as part of an overall commitment to lessen suffering.”

Thanks! (I’m vegan)… and YES…I do it to “lessen suffering”…

Southern Comfort

August 24th, 2010
12:47 pm

No private industry will fund the cure for something they can keep you coming back to the pharmacy forever to “treat.”

Have you been watching Chris Rock lately? (hot link NSFW!!!)

Time for a sing along

August 24th, 2010
12:48 pm

Oh last night I had a date with masterbat**n.
Oh it was grand.
I used my non-federally funded hand!

Doggone/GA

August 24th, 2010
12:48 pm

“or is it the whole “it could possibly be a baby” thing?”

I don’t see how it could be that. If it was, wouldn’t they – logically – be fighting to have the whole process outlawed completely, so that no one could do the research?

Bosch

August 24th, 2010
12:49 pm

SoCo, Matti, and Bruno,

Yeah, I believe that conspiracy theory too — private companies and pharmaceuticals NEED us to be sick — it’s one of the frakked up ways we Americans have been brainwashed into thinking.

Peadawg

August 24th, 2010
12:49 pm

“Oh last night I had a date with masterbat**n.
Oh it was grand.
I used my non-federally funded hand!”

Ya I stopped doing that a while ago. I got a girlfriend(now my wife). You should try it.

Bruno

August 24th, 2010
12:50 pm

“CSCO has been in the tank for years!”

I still believe it is a solid company for a few reasons, IH. They have a product which will only increase over time, and they have a ton of cash on hand.

Greed is what did me in here. I bought it near the low point a week and a half ago, and could have realized a nice profit if I had only hit the sell button at the right time. Now I’m stuck waiting for it to rise again. With every bit of negative financial news, however, investors are bailing like crazy.

AmVet

August 24th, 2010
12:50 pm

Bruno, you are correct, disallow is incorrect. Defund is the right word.

And yes, by all means necessary, we need to ensure this potential never becomes a reality:

By understanding cell development using embryonic stem cells, doctors and scientists will be able to prevent many birth defects. Different forms of defects occur at varying stages of development within the womb. Studies on embryonic stem cells will allow them to find the exact point certain cells mutate and a birth defect is formed. In theory they will be able to prevent this from occurring, either by stimulating or blocking certain enzymes while in the womb. Approximately 3 percent of babies are born with birth defects in the United States according to the University of Virginia. Scientists believe they can limit at least 1 percent of these defects using embryonic stem cell research.

Because embryos are kept in a permanent state of early development, they are ideal candidates for drug and medical testing. While they are still alive, without a host body in which they can develop, they will never become fully human. However, since they are alive, testing can be conducted in a variety of fashions. A scientist will be able to infect them with a disease and attempt to test various treatments.

I’m just glad penicillin had no such backlash.

Mountains out of molehills…

Time for a sing along

August 24th, 2010
12:51 pm

I did….. she took most everything. Now all I got is my golf game.

Normal

August 24th, 2010
12:51 pm

@@ said,
Embryos….a marketable commodity.

Hush yo mouth, girl! If the Corporations hear you, all women will have to pay a fee every time they have their period. Not to mention pre-pregnancy fees, pregnancy taxes and non abstinance fines….

Bosch

August 24th, 2010
12:51 pm

More apropos for downstairs, but:

“Georgia will have about $400 million to invest in education reform as a winner of President Barack Obama’s Race to the Top competition.”

YIPPEE!!

I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 24th, 2010
12:52 pm

What, still no cures?

Should have stuck with adult stem cells, morons, just sayin…

Peadawg

August 24th, 2010
12:52 pm

“I did….. she took most everything. Now all I got is my golf game.”

Ok Tiger. Wait, you don’t even have that left.

theyeshaveit

August 24th, 2010
12:52 pm

Don’t worry folks. China will probably do the stem cell research and discover the cures to mankind’s ailment’s and reap all the Nobel prizes. Meanwhile, while this country likes to rant about Islam’s proclivity for hanging on to Dark Ages notions, we have our own atavistic plunge into the Dark Ages going on right here in River City. Ah, who needs science anyway. And the way our kids are “educated” these days, they won’t be able to do any science, so it’s a moot point. It’s enough for us to have our kids study from those Texas “science” books and send them on field trips to the Creation Museum in Kentucky. They’ll be able to see the exhibits of caveman and dinosaurs together and the Tree of Knowledge there. That is a lot better than any stem cell research. And while we are at it, let’s stop all this NASA stuff. We”ll just hitch a ride with the Russians in their trusty Soyuz capsule if we want to do any space science. . We could also just wait for the Chinese to build their space station and exchange Us Treasury bonds for a ride up. I wonder if stem cell research is legal in outer space. And also, let’s stop the evolution versus creationist debate all together, and just go back to the three R’s – Reading (we rank number 23 in the world today by the way), Riting and Religion. With that curriculum, none of our kids will ever grow up wanting to be scientists and do stem cell research.

Matti

August 24th, 2010
12:52 pm

So Comf,

CR is the Socrates of our generation! But it’s true! The American economy thrives on keeping people sick. “Order a yummy stuffed-crust pizza, wash it down with some subsidized corn syrup solids, then take a little purple pill and a lipitor, then pay the 30% increase in your insurance premiums, then oh gee, looks like you need an insulin testing kit, and don’t forget the Cialis you now need to get it on!” Don’t get me started on what they do to cancer patients while they bleed the entire family’s life’s work dry only to watch them die miserable, unimaginably painful deaths anyway.

@@

August 24th, 2010
12:53 pm

Bosch:

Left undeniable evidence of my contention regarding Clayton County’s loss of accreditation downstairs

Ignore it if it makes your life easier.

I stayed at a Holiday Inn

August 24th, 2010
12:54 pm

My stock purchases are all still up from where I bought them! How am I supposed to add to my positions if they stay up! What to do. Woe is me.

Bosch

August 24th, 2010
12:54 pm

@@,

Why would I want to go downstairs to see your emotional meltdown because I had the gall to respond to you? Ignore you I shall.

godless heathen

August 24th, 2010
12:54 pm

AmVet: About what the botched invasions cost every three hours.

Or the stimulus every 1/2 hour.

* Obama’s stimulus, passed in his first month in office, will cost more than the entire Iraq War — more than $100 billion (15%) more.
* Just the first two years of Obama’s stimulus cost more than the entire cost of the Iraq War under President Bush, or six years of that war.
* Iraq War spending accounted for just 3.2% of all federal spending while it lasted.
* Iraq War spending was not even one quarter of what we spent on Medicare in the same time frame.
* Iraq War spending was not even 15% of the total deficit spending in that time frame. The cumulative deficit, 2003-2010, would have been four-point-something trillion dollars with or without the Iraq War.
* The Iraq War accounts for less than 8% of the federal debt held by the public at the end of 2010 ($9.031 trillion).
* During Bush’s Iraq years, 2003-2008, the federal government spent more on education that it did on the Iraq War. (State and local governments spent about ten times more.)

I stayed at a Holiday Inn

August 24th, 2010
12:56 pm

Left undeniable evidence of my contention regarding Clayton County’s loss of accreditation downstairs

Yeh right. And global warming is real! Ahhhhhhh hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa.

AmVet

August 24th, 2010
12:57 pm

Don’t get me started on what they do to cancer patients while they bleed the entire family’s life’s work dry only to watch them die miserable, unimaginably painful deaths anyway.

But being the compassionate conservatives we are, we ain’t gonna let them do the one thing that actually alleviates their horrific suffering – smoke wacky tobacky.

After all it’s just a weed and we can’t bottle it up and monopolize it…

@@

August 24th, 2010
12:57 pm

Funny how Bosch thinks I’m always in a state of perpetual meltdown. Nothing could be further from the truth. I guess leaving her in a puddle is what constitutes MY meltdown.

Bruno

August 24th, 2010
12:58 pm

“Not to be snarky here, but wow, really? My incredibly limited understanding of Jainism is that they’re not just vegetarian, they take special steps to avoid killing insects while harvesting the veggies they do eat.”

For the record, I don’t extend my respect to Palmetto bugs.