Ron Paul: Mosque opposition ‘all about hate and Islamaphobia’

This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neo-conservative’s aggressive wars.

Yep! Your left-wingers are pretty good at doing just that.

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On this one, I have to side with Ron Paul.

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Two weeks of vacation just to come back and recycle the very same topics? Oh well, if it was all about hate and Islamaphobia then the question wouldn’t be about the location of the mosque it would be about the very existence of a mosque.

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Since left-wingers take offense to mega churches (Christian), I was wondering if this kind of extravagance offends?

LA unveils $578M school, costliest in the nation

The pricey schools have come during a sensitive period for the nation’s second-largest school system: Nearly 3,000 teachers have been laid off over the past two years, the academic year and programs have been slashed. The district also faces a $640 million shortfall and some schools persistently rank among the nation’s lowest performing.

Considering…

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The terrorists should not be allowed to build a temple near the hollow ground of ground 0.

It is that simple. Why do liberals find it so diificult to understand something so SIMPLE.

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That jumped out to you, too, eh?

Jay

You’re gonna have disagreements in the Editorial Room. Ron Paul’s pretty much Libertarian, correct? Last week Ms. Tucker wrote a thread in which she said there weren’t many thinking conservatives left, then cited as an exception an article by a Libertarian. I pointed out a Libertarian is not a Conservative. She replied “I think libertarians would consider themselves conservative on most issues. I’m using original definitions here, not labels hijacked by various partisans.”

That point generate a bit of discussion, but for purposes of your thread, we now have a Libertarian aka Conservative slamming Conservatives.

I need a scorecard….

“In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.”

Waitadadgumminnnit… I thought it was Democrats who had the option to shut things down but opted for continuation in Iraq and expansion in Afghanistan?

(And I do think some conservative Republicans use this as a ‘rally the troops and send in your $$$$” opportunity).

But Democrats like Sen Reid and Howard Dean, both of whom oppose the citing, oppose it for reasons other than Islamophobia.

I see the theme of his piece was to slam conservative contradictions, but I do like the bit of balance he brought with his remark about perpetuating continual war and his slam against Spkr Pelosi for doing the same basic thing as the other side is doing with the mosque.

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Jay, would support a Nazi History Museum next to the Holocaust Museum? Would support a KKK or Confederate History museum next to the NAACP headquarters?

It’s not about ‘all about hate and Islamaphobia’. It’s about respect.

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Peadawg

“would support a Nazi History Museum next to the Holocaust Museum? ”

Wouldn’t a German History Museum be more applicable?

“Would support a KKK or Confederate History museum next to the NAACP headquarters?”

Wouldn’t a US History Museum be more applicable?

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“The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque. Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be “sensitive” requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from “ground zero.”

If you’re keeping score, Jay, count this hard-core conservative as being squarely in the Ron Paul camp on this issue.

Certainly, I can appreciate many people’s dislike/suspicion of Islam, and even their concerns about the motivation of those who want to erect an Islamic center so close to the former site of the WTC. However, that appreciation pales in comparison to my support of what is good and right about this country, namely the non-Establishment clause of the Constitution.

“Congress shall make no law

1. Respecting an establishment of religion, or
2. Prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

Why so many self-identified conservatives think this law shouldn’t apply when their “sensitivities” are offended is beyond me. In particular, Kyle Wingfield blew any credibility he had built up with me as a conservative commentator with his hateful column “Europe shows the result of total insistence on tolerance” on August 18, which he ended by saying: “And they will conclude that even in America, with a prouder history of assimilation and inclusiveness than Europe has, it would be prudent to meet this outrage with something other than finger-wagging.”

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Road Scholar,
Like Road Island, you are neither a Road, nor a Scholar, nor an island. But you are small.

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Enter your comments here

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While a mosque anywhere proximate to Ground Zero is in bad taste, it’s not illegal and America respects the right to practice free speech. You can’t claim the 1st amendment and not let them build their mosque, tackiness isn’t a crime.

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Yes, it is news when cons tell the truth.

Silly season.

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Well, it’s Monday all day, that’s for sure. First this judge upholds a law that makes it illegal for me to bring the anti-tank weapon and the two machine guns I use for hunting and self-defense to church with me.

Now I learn this Ron Paul is nothing but a librul Democrat standing up for the Towelheads rubbing it in our face by building a mosque where the World Trade Center use to be.

I guess I won’t be too suprized if I get home today and the missus tells me she plans to vote for Roy Barnes.

Yup. It’s Monday all day.

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Some People are Stupid
August 23rd, 2010
1:33 pm

Your post name pretty much equals your “sign”.

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Unexpected. The favorite word of the Obama admin.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/08/iraq_the_war_that_broke_us_not.html

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“By the way, how far away is not insensitive?”

Perfectly put. Wondering if the US was worried about the same thing concerning Japanese in Hawaii after the war ended in ‘45. No Shinto temples allowed??

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“Oh well, if it was all about hate and Islamaphobia then the question wouldn’t be about the location of the mosque it would be about the very existence of a mosque.’

RW–Why is the location of a mosque built by folks who had nothing to do with 9/11 such a big concern to you? Are you subscribing to the theory put forth by Palin fan above that this is “hollow ground” (sic).

Maybe it comes down to personal opinion, but I don’t see how the site of a tragedy makes any ground “hallowed”, including sites of Civil War battlefields or even places along a highway where a loved one was killed in an auto accident. It’s better to look forward, not back, IMO.

You’ve tried to make a distinction in previous blogs that opposition of this community center/mosque by private citizens is not a violation of the Constitution as long as no overt, illegal actions are taken during the protest. I still maintain that any such opposition is still borne out of discrimination, by the simple fact that it is based solely upon the religious affiliation of the builders, and nothing else.

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Just so I have this down…

A community center 2 blocks from ground zero = bad

Ladies shaking their giggly parts 3 blocks from ground zero = Appropriately reverent

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2010/08/19/for-strip-clubs-near-ground-zero-its-business-as-usual-amid-mosque-uproar/

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RW–Why is the location of a mosque built by folks who had nothing to do with 9/11 such a big concern to you?

It isn’t, but I don’t think for a second that will deter your constant efforts to lie about my positions.

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Peadawg

“Paul, no not in this context. A Nazi History Museum and KKK/Confederate History Museum would be down right disrespectful i built next to a Holocaust Museum and the NAACP headquarters. That’s my point. Same w/ this mosque next to Ground Zero.”

Yes, they would be disrespectful.

But what’s being built is an Islamic place of worship and cultural center, not a jihadist place of worship or an al Qaeda Cultural Center. Jihadists are a subset of Islam, just as the Nazis are a subset of Germans and KKK and Confederacy is part of US history.

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Matti,

“Ewwww!”

With the first boomers about to hit full ss retirement age…methinks the Piccadilly would be a great investment…I just wouldn’t eat there.

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Paul,

You as well…I feel like we’ve all had a vacation

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This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.

It gives me no pleasure whatsoever to concur with Ron Paul, except to say I’m glad he’s willing to say this.

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The economy is truly the issue and there is no sign that it will get any better anytime soon. I think what is getting people’s goats is that the President fails to attend the national prayer breakfast, or lay the wreath at Arlington, but can find time for a Ramadan Dinner at the white house, spend tp money on an iman to travel promoting Muslim faith, direct NASA to use its resources to promote Muslim contributions to technology etc, etc. They are just beginning to wonder. We are also hearing so much about what muslims are doing in European countries, and their threats against those who would speak against them. Kind of scary. Fear is natural in this situation.

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how far away is not insensitive

I sure would like to hear the an answer to that one.

I’d also like for some large media outlets to acknowledge that they totally screwed the pooch on this one, with their blaring headlines about the “Ground Zero Mosque” that a) isn’t a mosque, and b) isn’t at the actual site of the World Trade center.

Come to think of it, Jay, why do you keep using the term “Mosque?” do we call the 92nd Street Y a “church?”

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The emotionalist have taken over both ends of the spectrum. This country needs a statesman (or stateswoman) who is can bring back some sane and common sense leadership. This country needs a leader and both parties offer up nil at this point.

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sfb,

Add another e to the and you could almost pull it off as Olde English.

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ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION!

IT IS A VERY DANGEROUS, MILITANT AND BARBARIC CULT, WHOSE CORE PRINCIPLES ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE PRINCIPLES OF THE UNITED STATES. MOSQUES ARE MILITARY CENTERS AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ANYWHERE.

ISLAM DOES NOT ALLOW FOR:

-FREEDOM OF SPEECH
-FREEDOM OF RELIGION
-IMPOSES CRUEL & UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT (HOMOSEXUALS ARE TO BE KILLED, FORNICATORS WHIPPED, THIEVES TO HAVE HAND CHOPPED OFF)
-THERE IS NO SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE UNDER ISLAM

PEDOPHILIA IS ACCEPTABLE UNDER ISLAM, BECAUSE THAT IS THE EXAMPLE THAT MUHAMMAD PROVIDED, WHO MARRIED A 7 YEAR OLD GIRL AND CONSUMMATED THE MARRIAGE! COMPARE THAT TO THE EXAMPLE THAT JESUS PROVIDED – SINLESS!

TO READ MORE ON WHAT ISLAM TEACHES, GOOGLE: TOP TEN REASONS WHY SHARIA IS BAD FOR ALL SOCIETIES

GOOGLE: PAMPHLETS FOUND IN AMERICAN MOSQUES

THE IMAM AT THIS MOSQUE WANTS TO IMPLEMENT SHARIA/ISLAMIC LAW HERE IN THE U.S. DOES THIS SOUND “FRIENDLY” TO YOU?

THE NAME OF THE MOSQUE IS GOING TO BE CALLED “CORDOBA HOUSE,” WHICH IS THE NAME OF A TOWN IN SPAIN WHERE MUSLIMS ATTACKED IT, DESTROYED IT, DESTROYED A CHURCH THERE AND BUILT A MOSQUE ON TOP OF IT! DOES THIS SOUND “FRIENDLY” TO YOU?!

MOSQUEs AT GROUND ZERO ARE UNDOUBTEDLY POLITICAL AND MILITARY CENTERS FOR ISLAM! PERIOD.

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“It isn’t, but I don’t think for a second that will deter your constant efforts to lie about my positions.”

RW–If the location of the center is no concern to you, then why have you written several posts “explaining’ the reasoning behind those who do oppose it on the grounds of “sensitivity”? And not one post “explaining” the reasoning behind those who support it based on the letter and spirit of the law?

Kind of like your claim that your statement last November that “All I saw was them saying that people of faith should have a voice too and not be shunned as pariahs for the good of Bruno’s political party” is not tacit support for the position taken.

I guess I’ll have to leave it up to others how your words should be interpreted, but the positive/negative connotations of the particular words chosen implies your position, even if you don’t have the courage to state it explicitly.

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In Iraq street vendors are now peddling porn,
never happened before we invaded, look at the
christians,jews,hindus,buddhists,shintoists,
wiccans,and any other organized religion and
you will see how they have been democratized
or Americanized. Islam in America will not be
the same as anywhere else. That’s just what we do.

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This country needs a statesman (or stateswoman) who is can bring back some sane and common sense leadership. This country needs a leader and both parties offer up nil at this point.

Ladies and gents, I give you My President, George W. Bush.

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Peadawg,

You doofus — Paul and Jay are trying to make you see that your ridiculous comparison — you are basically equating Muslims to the KKK and Nazis.

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Hey Peadawg and BIG_DAWGZ, there are graves in Arlington National Cemetery with the Islamic Crescent on them. Whats say we dig those bad boys up and replace them with the true Cross.

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Paul,

And now I know where to get a good Shillelagh

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“you are basically equating Muslims to the KKK and Nazis.”

LMAO! No I’m not. Nice try though. Again, here ya go

http://www.aeroconsystems.com/chutes/P28_foot.htm

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Peadawg,

“Paul, no not in this context. A Nazi History Museum and KKK/Confederate History Museum would be down right disrespectful i built next to a Holocaust Museum and the NAACP headquarters. That’s my point. Same w/ this mosque next to Ground Zero.”

Yes, you are, doofus.

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Actually stands for decibels , you’d have to call the 92nd Street Y a synagogue.

Harvey: You stated:
“The economy is truly the issue and there is no sign that it will get any better anytime soon. I think what is getting people’s goats is that the President fails to attend the national prayer breakfast, or lay the wreath at Arlington, but can find time for a Ramadan Dinner at the white house, spend tp money on an iman to travel promoting Muslim faith, direct NASA to use its resources to promote Muslim contributions to technology etc, etc. They are just beginning to wonder. We are also hearing so much about what muslims are doing in European countries, and their threats against those who would speak against them. Kind of scary. Fear is natural in this situation.”

You’re right Harvey…it’s ALL about “fear”… it’s exactly how the right sold the Iraq war…by selling “fear” to their base and building their support. You say “getting people’s goats”…well Harvey, it’s not getting EVERYONE’S goats…just some people. There are many of us who simply don’t care and see it as a non issue. The BIGGER ISSUE I and many have is to WHY those who talk so highly about the Constitution and “taking us back to it”…are the very one’s who wish to deny people’s rights to practice their religion freely or own private property. Not ALL people…just MUSLIM people. There’s something very very wrong with that…and the worst part is…they don’t see it.

Yes Harvey…that “fear” is meant to distract you from the very first thing you spoke about. The “economy”…because the right can’t win on their record when it comes to the economy and no plan but to put in place the very tax cuts we already have in place…so they need a “distraction” for their base… and they’ll play it to them as if this is somehow “patriotic”… to stand up against the terrorists. No Harvey… by the reaction from the right…the terrorists did exactly what they planned on doing. They created “fear” in many…and that means they “WON”….

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Bosch

Actually, I was trying to make the point that what’s being proposed is not an al Qaeda Center or a Jihadist House of Worship. It’s Muslim. It’s overarching. So in parallel with that, near a Nazi Death Camp would be a proposal for German History – not a Nazi memorial.

jewcowboy

GREAT umbrella!

What’s the handle?

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Good question for Sen Reid or Howard Dean

Indeed.

Reid, at least I get that he thinks he has to make like a knuckle dragger to win (I think he’s actually making it more likely that he’ll lose given that his spinelessness will only come back to bite him), but what on earth is Dean’s excuse?

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Paul@ 2:12,

Yeah, and Peadawg is being a doofus as usual.

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“Ok, how about some Japanese statue, monument, temple, whatever being built at Pearl Harbor?”

Peadawg–Is your value system so fragile that you can’t tolerate anyone who doesn’t share it?

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Paul,

“Still have the Audi?”

For now…i tried to trade it for a 2011 Fiesta…2 dealers declined b/c of the price differential…now I just don’t want to deal with it…

Good point about the cost vs use aspect…with all the rain Atlanta has been getting…I should recoup the investment quickly.

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Bruno,

“Peadawg–Is your value system so fragile that you can’t tolerate anyone who doesn’t share it?”

Apparently.

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bottom line–the 9-11 memorial should go up before the islamic center.

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So what about the protests against building mosques in Tennessee, Wisconsin, California and, I think, Georgia? What’s the concern there?

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“the 9-11 memorial should go up before the islamic center.”

Talk to the Port Authority and Larry Silverstein…they’ve had nearly a decade.

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“No, I can’t tolerate someone being disrespectful and insensitive.”

Fair enough, but you seem to be overlooking the fact that “respect” and “sensitivity” lie in the eye of the beholder and, as such, cannot form the basis for our legal system.

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“So what about the protests against building mosques in Tennessee, Wisconsin, California and, I think, Georgia? What’s the concern there?”

I have no idea.

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Peadawg and Paul: Maybe I missed your answer, but how far from ground Zero would not be insensitive for the new Mosque? I believe a catholic churh is within one block.

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The terrorists should not be allowed to build a temple near the hollow ground of ground 0. Why do liberals find it so diificult to understand something so SIMPLE.

Other than the sheer childishness of the assertion, I find it humorous when demagogues attempt to sound erudite.

Hollow ground? Is that similar to hallowed ground, Palin fan?

Sheesh…

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Peadawg,

“Why pick that specific spot? ”

Why not that particular spot.

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Bosch,

There is no mosque in the Pentagon. Just a room where anyone can pray.

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Just out of curiosity…until this came about…how many bidders were trying to buy that sacred condemned Burlington Coat Factory?

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Good article Jay, now lets move on. How about an article about how the bill that gave tax cuts and increased the availability of loans to small business’s was filibustered by the republicans.

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America will rue the day that Islam’s foot touched our shores.

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Scout, we rue the day that many religions set foot in this world…or more specifically, those who ignore the teachings of their religions and use their church to spread hate and venom….. Anything sensible to say today?

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Oh wait…the owners were trying to sell the building for years…but no one wanted to pony up the $$$ for the “hallowed ground.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/nyregion/09mosque.html?_r=1

Hmm…if it is such “hallowed ground” where were the buyers willing to turn it into a memorial?

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(for those who have never been there, the Japanese have a large presence in Oahu)

yep, turns out there is actually a Shinto temple not far from the USS Arizona Memorial.

http://www.e-shrine.org/contact.html

(Granted, it’s more than two blocks away, although I suspect it’s every bit as visible from the Memorial as will be Park51 from Freedom Tower.)

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Peadawg,

“If you have to ask that….bless your heart.”

So then, you naturally were trying to put together a financing package to buy the building to turn it into a memorial right? I mean you knew this building existed before all of this right?

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Democrats expect them to regulate everything else. Or is it just when it’s convenient to you?

Notice the non-responsive answer. This is not a justification. This just ducks responding and defending their absurd claims with new broader claims…. a simpleton response really to a question: If you believe in the US Constitution, then the government may not act on speech or religion freedoms, so what exactly is the action you whine for and the basis for that action? Or do you just want to whine?

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“America will rue the day that Islam’s foot touched our shores.”

Who talks like that?

Oh wait….

“I will not stand idly by while you abrogate my plans! You shall rue this day!… Well, go on, start ruing!
-Stewie, Family Guy, “Mind Over Murder”

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Keep up the good fight @ 2:40

That would be because Peadawg is a doofus.

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“I mean you knew this building existed before all of this right?”

Ya, um, b/c I pay attention to real estate 1000 miles away from where I live when struggling to pay my own mortgage.

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Bosch,

I really don’t think that I hate Muslims anymore than I hate Catholics. Both have a pretty seamy record in the religious arena for past deeds. With Muslims, it is present day. I don’t see Catholics blowing up other Catholics for believing the “wrong thing”. I wouldn’t want to even enter a Mosque or other Islamic place of worship. Anymore than I would want to participate in a Mormon service. But I do recognize their right to do it. It is important to also recognize the 1st Amendment, although it proves difficult at times. When governments spend BILLIONS of dollars every year protecting their citizenry from these “peace loving”, compassionate, educated sons of Allah, it is a bit difficult to be tolerant. Do you not find this to be a dilemma or am I the only one on this silly blog who has trouble looking past the 1st Amendment and calling what they want to do as “correct”? You must not be troubled enough by events in the past 10 or 15 yrs to let it bother you. Otherwise, you would not resort to name calling and intimidation to make your point. I respect the freedoms that our Constitution affords it’s citizens. I am having a little trouble with this one, however.

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I’d like to believe some truly outstanding person out there is willing to take the crap that comes with such a public job because they love our country and way of life enough to make that sacrifice.

I believe that many did, have, and still do, and are shredded by that unstoppable lefty lib’rul mega media machine known as (let’s brag about our ratings) Fox “News” and AM talk radio. That’s just my observations. Yours may vary.

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Peadawg,

“Ya, um, b/c I pay attention to real estate 1000 miles away from where I live when struggling to pay my own mortgage.”

Then why are you paying attention to it now?

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jewcowboy,

JINX!!

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Bosch…. doofus is such a strong word (lol) but so appropriate for some!

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“but want to taint the extremists ”

hehe…you wrote taint…

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Peadawg,

So, You’re not only a doofus, but a coward namejacker — get a sense of humor doofus.

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Jay, check my IP address. I haven’t namejacked anyone today.

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I ponder the same Bruno. There has got to be somebody out there who hasn’t been polluted by the emotionalist and poisoned by the partisans. Somewhere…someplace. I think Obama did an absolute fantastic job of selling himself to be such a person but what a crock. He is just like the rest. All we hear is there are certain “up and coming” politicians for each party. We don’t need a politician.

We need a leader. And by we I mean all of us independent left or independent right leaning sane people left in the country. Right now we have been hijacked by the extreme on both sides and it is sad to watch how fast they are dragging us down.

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Keep up the good fight @ 2:34

“Anything sensible to say today?”

Why yes I do.

“America will rue the day that Islam’s foot touched our shores.”

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Scout, again I said SENSIBLE. but here..try this.

America will rue the day that white man’s foot touched our shores!

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What an idiot! Get this lame-brain outta here before he gets someone killed. THEY trained in Afghanistan! He is so stupid. He might have delivered a lot of babies in Brazoria County Texas but even that was done by nature; he just stood there like a little short grey headed guy and stared. He’s about as conservative as a Kennedy!!

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“I’m just messing with you. But I do think you’re a doofus.”

I’m just not that into you. And when I say 1 in a million, I mean there is no chance..got it Lloyd?

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Scout,

“Stay in the dark ……… it’s your right.”

Yep, the right is in the dark…

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“I really don’t think that I hate Muslims anymore than I hate Catholics.”

See, to me, there’s your first problem — Catholics are Christians — why is it okay for you to distinguish between different sects of Christians, but not admit there are different sects of Muslims — those of the more fundamentalist, scary nature?

“I wouldn’t want to even enter a Mosque or other Islamic place of worship. Anymore than I would want to participate in a Mormon service.”

Then, don’t go — who cares?

“When governments spend BILLIONS of dollars every year protecting their citizenry from these “peace loving”, compassionate, educated sons of Allah, it is a bit difficult to be tolerant. ”

Again, why are you painting all Muslims with a broad brush as terrorists — that’s exactly as someone wrote earlier — that would be like accusing all Christians as terrorists based on those who’ve committed terrorist acts — it’s illogical and quite doofy.

“Do you not find this to be a dilemma or am I the only one on this silly blog who has trouble looking past the 1st Amendment and calling what they want to do as “correct”?

Apparently not.

“You must not be troubled enough by events in the past 10 or 15 yrs to let it bother you. ”

Of course it bothers me, but not enough to forget the rights of those to practice their own religion nor does it make me afraid of people based on prejudices.

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Seriously Jay, Ron Paul, what next Rosie O’d? Actually I’d love to see the gay community weigh in on this. Undestandably they’d be for the mosque, because its a liberal cause celebre, but then left off the guest lists for the grand opening. I doubt there’d be a whole lot of NOW members there either. I don’t know what’s more entertaining, watching you leftists twist in this contradiction or your idea that our democracy will thaw out islamic extremism. Mosques have been in this country for almost 100 years. So how’s the enligtenment coming along.

Lenin was close with the sell the rope thing. Mohammed would have nailed it.

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Um, what the hell is that Lerro person talking about?

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Bummer, just lost my ass in the stock market today while blogging.

FMITA.

Later, guys.

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Paul is right on. I wish that Kyle Wingfield had read this before he published that bone headed article of his.

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This is such a ludicrous position on this issue. Why do we insist that we all suffer Islamaphobia because we do not support the affront to the survivors and the families of the victims by building the mosque as proposed. Move it further from the site where we lost family, friends and neighbors on September 11, 2001. I have lived in the mideast and served there as required by my government. This is a celebration of victory over us by doing this. This is the way you are taught under Islam. Please stop commenting on what you know nothing about. Perhaps the press should be limited in their obligatory requirement to change our minds by allowing only their arguments to be heard.

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“Myths of Islam”

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Myths-of-Islam.htm

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Hmmm. Let me guess that Scout’s link at 3:10 is gonna be almost identical to BIG DAWZ anti-Muslim rant from earlier.

Any bets?

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To Road Scholar……It’s Rhodes not Road….

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Anti-’Ground Zero Mosque’ Rally Freaks Out at Black Guy (VIDEO)

Scout, Peadawg and Leg Lamp will probably quiver while watching this: http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/anti-ground-zero-mosque-rally-freaks-out-at-black-guy-video.php?ref=fpblg

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Most people aren’t trying to block the mosque. They simply want to put enough political pressure on the folks behind it to convince them to build it elsewhere. Not sure why this is a seen as a loss of rights or “Islamaphobia” by the left. Especially when the left (while not alone) is usually first in line to protest or call for boycotts of any person, group, or business they disagree with. Isn’t it all about sensitivity?

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Oxford Man,

I believe Road Scholar’s moniker it is an entendre.

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Ron Paul speaks the truth. He always has, and when he says something true that offends people, they label him a crackpot, a whacko, etc., but they never say he’s wrong. There’s a reason they call him whacko instead of wrong: he’s not wrong. And “whacko” is so subjective that it could apply to anyone.

Ron Paul has always told the truth, and this time is no exception. People against this mosque are racists.

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I would agree with you if Islam was “just” a religion. It is not.

The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That’s not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don’t represent peace. They represent evil and war. When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world.

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“The terrorists should not be allowed to build a temple near the hollow ground of ground 0.

It is that simple. Why do liberals find it so diificult to understand something so SIMPLE.”

Why?

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2009 Justice Ginsberg said:

“Why shouldn’t we look to the wisdom of a judge from abroad with at least as much ease as we would read a law review article written by a professor?”

“What happened in Europe was the Holocaust,” she said, “and people came to see that popularly elected representatives could not always be trusted to preserve the system’s most basic values.”

American hostility to the consideration of foreign law, she said, “is a passing phase.” She predicted that “we will go back to where we were in the early 19th century when there was no question that it was appropriate to refer to decisions of other courts.”

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Feisal Abdul Rauf says “America is a Sharia compliant state.”

The two thought processes, combined……..Ruth Bader Ginsberg’s and Imam Rauf’s puts the future of our republic at risk.

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In December 2009, Fox News was A-OK with the community center. In fact on 12/21/2009, Laura Ingraham told a co-founder of the project, Daisy Khan (wife of its Imam),”I like what you’re trying to do.”

Now Fox News is calling it everything from “ground Zero Mosque” to a “Terrorist Command Center”. So why would Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes go into full battle mode against a Muslim community center dedicated to peace?

Perhaps the $3 billion investment in News Corp by Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal from the Saudi Royal Family, long linked to fostering the extreme anti-West Wahhabi form of Islam, has a BIG influence on Fox News taking on this “issue”. Not only would their 24×7 assault on the community center please their largest investor (outside the Murdoch family) who may be supporting Wahhabism, but there is big ratings money wrapped up in fear. Also, let’s not forget that Republicans tend to win elections when people are afraid, AND Murdoch gave the Republican Governors Association $1MM last week.

A non-stop barrage on the Islamic community center is a triple play for Fox and News Corp: 1. it makes their Saudi Royal Family billionaire happy, 2. Fear increases Fox’s ratings, and 3. the more scared and irrational people are, the more they tend to vote Republican.

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Hate baggers never fail to disappoint.

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sfd,

Sayeth the Bush man.

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Sayeth the Bush man.

ix-nay on the ote-quay identification-way…

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sfd,

Sorry, I’m such a doofus!!!

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Hey Midori!

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How about a synagogue or church at the saddam statue site?”

barking frog–Maybe you’re being “tongue-in-cheek” (a sticky tongue at that), but the argument that we have to demand “quid pro quo” treatment from our enemies before we agree to do the right thing is morally bankrupt.
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moral bankruptcy would be without morals and we would therefore not do
the right thing, but the right thing , not the legal thing, would be to not build
the church or synagogue.

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Unfortunately, once you learns about Libertarian ideals, if you agree with their ideas once, you are probably in agreement with them all the time. Libertarians are all about this simple rule: “live and let live.” Ie, government keeps out of your business unless you physically or financially (through fraud) harm someone else.

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“The anti-Mosque issue, not limited to lower Manhattan, is not about sensitivity; it’s about exploiting peoples differences for political gain—again.”

I would add that this is about fanning people’s willful igonorance and fear as well. How else can you explain that so many people believe that President Obama is Muslim? And so what if HE WAS or IS????? What is the point?

Most Americans are so stupid. And every politician knows it. That’s why they turn into big ‘ol PANDER bears just before elections.

I was in Dubai this year and visited the Burj Khalifa. It’s the world’s tallest building and is absolutely breath-taking in it’s beauty. Excavation started Jan 2004. The grand opening was Jan 2010. Where is our 9/11 Memorial? Why do we still have a hole in the ground where the Twin Towers once stood? Answer: Because we’re too easily distracted by the shiny objects offered by sources like Faux News.

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Manhattan is not that big. Almost anywhere on the island can be declared “hallowed ground” because it is near the WTC site. If the WTC site is so hallowed why has nothing been built in 9 years? I think we need to follow the money on this issue and find out who is funding all this “anti mosque- islamic cultural center”? The money trail always reveals the real reason for such demonstrations. There has been a mosque since 1970 within the shadows of the WTC – not one problem. And FYI= Islam is one of the 3 great religions of the world and has been for centuries. Terrorism is not a religion but an extremist group who happen to espouse a religion. I guess you say that about people who are Christian who bomb abortion clinics. And there has been a mosque inside the Pentagon since 9/11. No this is all about divide the “little people” so that those behind the scenes with money and power can keep their status quo and make the “little people” feel like they have a say in something.

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“The terrorists should not be allowed to build a temple near the hollow ground of ground 0.”

“Jay, would support a Nazi History Museum next to the Holocaust Museum? Would support a KKK or Confederate History museum next to the NAACP headquarters?”

“Since left-wingers take offense to mega churches (Christian), I was wondering if this kind of extravagance offends?”

You clowns never get tired of your pathetic talking points of the day and your tired @ss stereotypes. You robocons wouldn’t even be talking about this subject if Eye of Newt hadn’t have made a big deal about it.

By the way, repeating your talking points must be easier than writing them down. The correct wording of your talking point is “hallowed ground”. Geez.

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By force, by force, by force .

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There are approximately 1,200 mosques, 65,800 churches, 37,000 synagogues, 234 Buddist temples and 1,500 Hindu temples in the United States.

The question is, what percentage of each is the FBI and other federal, state and local law enforcement surveilling and monitoring for terrorism funding, recruiting, indoctrination, training, planning, and operations (terrorist cells).

Hummmmm ……………..

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hmmmm… and that Christian terrorist group in Michigan…. How much did the FBI spend on that?

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So is the Champagne Room at New York Dolls called the 9/11 Memorial Motor-boating Room since it is on such “hallowed grounds’?

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Love your logic Keep Up and Janet, as long as Christians have ever done anything wrong, then its carte blanche for the bombs of Islam. Christian rule in the dark ages allowed for an eye for an eye judicial system, or rather looked the other way, no pun intended. Most Islamic countries still practice that today, including our good oil buddies Saudi Arabia, where still on their hot topic list is whether to surgically paralyze a man who caused the paralysis of his victim. Great religion indeed.

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I wonder if one of the strippers at New York Dolls is nicknamed “The Twin Towers”…

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For the members of the Islamic faith killed at Ground Zero, do the crazy cons plan to demand a separate list for any memorial….AMERICANs killed…oh wait some of them were Americans…. So what…CHRISTIANS killed?

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This is just another instance of the wingnuts wanting the government to stay out of our lives, unless of course it satisfies their ideology.

Terri Shiavo anyone?

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I’m grateful that no one I knew or loved was murdered in the Twin Towers debacle. Radical musilms planned, executed, and rejoiced over this killing. Musilms around the world hit the streets in celebration when the second tower came tumbling down. I know. I was in Europe when 9/11 happened and witnessed the jubalation first hand. From what I understand, the vast majority of the families of 9/11 victims don’t want this Islamic facility built. Should their wishes be ignored? Should we as a nation tell them to just “get over it!” Yes, as Americans we have the right to freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and all the other freedoms that have been held up as reasons to humiliate these families even more. But as for me, I strongly believe that no one has the right to be stupid by offending those families who have suffered more than enough. Ron Paul, Jay Bookman, President Obama, Muslims of all varities, and anybody else who feels that they can justify the building of this center on American rights have missed the point entirely. This issue is not about rights! It’s about respect. Grow up! Every schoo child on the playground knows this.

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“All religions are man-made. There is only eternal life through Faith in Jesus Christ our Lord. That’s the only way. There is no other.”

jewcowboyism is the only path to true enlightenment…and by enlightenment I mean lightening your wallets…please pass the collection plate…

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Atticus Finch,

“Every schoo child on the playground knows this.”

And as a lawyer I would expect you to know the law.

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Hi Midori…how is your world?

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AmVet

BUT, alas, he identifies the wrong culprits. Instead of fingering the banksters, casino capitalists and plutocrats in this country, he blames the UN in his American Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2009.

So he too shows very little moral courage vis a vis standing up to the corporate destroyers of capitalism.

Disappointing…
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So true. Corporatism is NOT capitalism, nor do they believe in a “free market”.

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Dear Mr. Bookman,
As this piece by Mr. Paul is all about personal freedom and saving the minority from the tyranny of the majority, does that mean you are against what he says as this is the antithesis of Liberals/Progressive doctrine? You say you are normally of different opinion than Mr. Paul, are you against what he wrote here?

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Amazing the demands for respect and sensitivity from the same people who would include Confederate flags as state flags, etc. etc.

The Consitution is not about your particular sensitivity…IN Fact, as those trained in the law know, it is about ignoring so-called sensitivity and respecting the rights of all people including the over sensitive or those who claim false sensitivity.

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I wonder if the Republicans will have a fundraiser at New York Dolls

To make it extra-meta, perhaps they’ll hire David Johansen to provide the musical entertainment.

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Mosqueteers? Hysterical and at the same time it works because it exposes the supposed “sensitivity” arguments as so childishly naive.

Who are we kidding here? This has zero (get it?) to do with the feelings of families of those killed in September 2001 or anybody else. Pro or con. As almost always, it is about faux conservatives forcing others to do what they want them to do. In the bedroom, in the state house and in the public square.

jewcowboy, love your definition of enlightenment. There may be a special role for you in the 700 Club’s newly forming Hebe Hour!

stands at 2;51, good job in exposing that lie from Lamp. Too easy. And tellingly, he makes no “correction”…

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Keep up the good

He roams Times Square.

For a while there was a female copycat, but she didn’t last -

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jewcowboy

Have you thought of autotrader dot com? People do searches based on make or by zip code (within so many hundreds of miles). You could go to nada dot com and edmunds dot com, check the trade-in value (and the higher private party sales price)) and price it closer to trade value. You were gonna trade it anyhow and that gets peoples’ attention.

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“We are just destroying ourselves.”

Which was, in my opinion, their goal from the beginning.

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My first reaction to the topic of this thread was, “oh, sh*t another night of massive prejudice and ignorance, prejudice and bigotry making sure we’re ecumenical and drag in the Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and whatever else for a round of the same horse manure.” But then, on second thought and having read what Ron Paul has said, I will have to agree that Jay should have posted this and I hope Sister Cynthia is paying attention. Liberal and conservative alike are completely missing the point and allowing their sheets to show all around with their charges. The foray into calling it the Burlington Coat Factory mosque–Cynthia’s words there, too–or the Ground Zero mosque…this is the Cordoba Center…a mosque is only a part of what is at work here, but left and right alike have focused on the mosque end of it. And that is Islamaphobia and both sides are playing it for all its worth. Meanwhile our Muslim fellow countrymen have to wonder just who their friends among their fellow Americans are.

They’ve got their work cut out for them.

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Casey Cagle; All of you keep worrying about that mosque, cultural center , or whatever. Just as long as you vote for my buddy , Nathan ( I steal real deal from Holyfield) Deal. The feds are investigating his contacts at the state level. All he has to do is beat Roy. And then , say this time next year, he gets indicted by the feds and , boo woo, he has to step down .

Then i become govenor without spending one thin dime……. I will rule the world !!!!

BUUUUUUUUWWWWWHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

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This is exactly why I could never vote for this stupid MF. Bookman, your just as stupid

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sfb & amvet,

Leg Lamp made that Maher/heroes comment at 11:23 and corrected it at 11:28 with no prompting. You guys have a really bizarre definition of exposing a lie.

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Paul,

“For a while there was a female copycat, but she didn’t last -”

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/07/21/2010-07-21_naked_cowboy_sues_naked_cowgirl_underwearclad_times_square_performer_says_she_st.html

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Read in this same issue of AJC “Porn offers window into Iraq”. Is this what we invaded an Islamic nation for? One of our weapons of mass destruction once again disseminated in a country that was observing their religion, now liberated thanks to our very Christian George Bush. And now, we tell people, many of which are U.S. citizens, that they can’t build a mosque. I can read these posts and see the bigotry dripping down the screen.

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Jay lost me with the trite “truth to power” phrase that means absolutely nothing.

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Bosch

“Which was, in my opinion, their goal from the beginning.”

Can I possibly interest you in a membership application for the Anarchists’ Club?

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Yep…. Beck is having a racist “I love a white town” Nugent speak at his event. Oh yes…sensitive to the civil rights movement. Let’s see the crazy cons cry out about that insensitivity.

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jewcowboy

They’re both a hatchback configuration, which I really like.

Audi’s style has grown on me quite a bit until now it’s one of my favorite lines.

Ford’s coming on strong – I did a doubletake in Dublin – thought I’d spotted a new Bentley from the rear quarter, and it was a Ford!

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Hey “Dawgs” Although your non-acadmeically reviewed websites and biased google searches I’m sure pull up some amazingly accurate and truthful information. How about if you want to learn something about Islam you try reading a book. Here’s a start: The Koran. See: “Bo god, but God” and “What Went Wrong.” Educate yourself instead of looking like a fool and perpetuating nonsense, hate-filled rhetoric.

I can google “10 Reason why Jesus was a prick” and find everything I need for a string of hatred on another prophet.

As for for Mr. Paul, my homeboy,………… RON PAUL 2012!!!!!

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“Do the women have to wear Gore-Tex ski burqa’s?”

Depsnds…would they be “form fitting”… because i don’t think Gore-Tex works very well when it’s lose and flowing.

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Paul,

“Ford’s coming on strong ”

Yeah…I rented a Taurus in Miami last week..pretty sweet. Again, that is not something I thought I would ever utter.

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Are the folks who say this is about respect and sensitivity, not legal rights or the Constitution, the same one who opposed Elena Kagan’s nomination to the Supreme Court because she would supposedly not follow the rule of law and would not be an objective, impartial arbiter of disputes because she allows political philosophy to overtake the Constitution?
And please stop asking Palin Fan to refudiate his poor spelling and childish rantings.

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Personally…I love that Palin fan believes Rhode Island is spelled Road Island…but then again, there is no intelligence test required…thankfully for the Palinistas….

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Scout…and I am sure that the FBI spends a lot more than 5% tracking down all those Christian wingnuts like the killers posing as pro-life, etc. I am glad you see my point — you’re ignorant!

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I have “Shariaphobia” and proud of it !

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Keep up the good fight! :

Love the name calling. Thank you and good day.

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Jewcowboy

I posted it here the other day, but one of my Muslim colleagues is not real fond of her son’s objette d’attention…she says she’s opposed to the burqa, but will gladly make exception in THAT case!

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Paul,

“That Taurus is a big car -”

Yeah…but I loved the seat coolers…freakin brilliant!

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Ignorance abounds!

This ol’ liberal will have to agree with the ol’ libertarian on this one.

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هٔ افراد بشر آزاد به دنیا می‌آیند و از دید حیثیت و حقوق با هم برا
Southern Discomfort همه دارای اندیشه و وجدان هستند و باید در برابر یکدیگر با روح برادری head made of butt fleshافراد بشر آزاد به دنیا می‌آیند و از دید حیثیت و حقوق با هم برابn……no khat to be had.

Politicians lieافراد بشر آزاد به دنیا می‌آیند و از دید حیثیت و حقوق با هم برابرند، همه دارای اندیشه و وجدان هستند و باید در برابر یکدیگر با روA…………Americaه دارای اندیشه و وجدان هستند و باید در برابر یکدیگر با روح برno freedom not here.

Ron Paulبشر آزاد به دنیا می‌آیند و از دید حیثیت و حقوق با هم برابرند، همه دارای اندیشه و وجدان هستند و باید در برابر یکدیگر با روح برادlast great hope.

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RW said, Two weeks of vacation just to come back and recycle the very same topics? Oh well, if it was all about hate and Islamaphobia then the question wouldn’t be about the location of the mosque it would be about the very existence of a mosque.

Think of it this way….let’s roll back the clock to, say, around 1961. You’re black and want to get a seat on the bus. The white bus driver tells you, “I know you want to sit up front, but you got to be sensitive to white folks feelings. Look. You can sit anyplace else on the bus, just not up front, OK?”

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Those who think Islam can thrive without the loss of personal freedoms are like someone who smokes and thinks they can’t get cancer.

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Scout…when you post ignorant diatribe…I’ll be glad to point it out. But hey, you do realize that calling someone ignorant is not name calling. I would use stupid to name call. Ignorant assumes you are not informed or educated but that you have the ability to learn. Sadly, I fear you will never use that grey matter to think and learn. Therefore you are doomed to remain ignorant. And I will exercise my right daily to call you ignorant when you post racist and hate slurs and comments.

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Scout,

“Those who think Islam can thrive without the loss of personal freedoms are like someone who smokes and thinks they can’t get cancer.”

The same can be said for any religion…religion, after all, is simply a means to control the behaviors of the masses.

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First of all, Jay you could of stayed on Vac, for a couple more years, but then again I would have to put up with CT’s ravings, and your’s are better.

Did anyone tell Paul that it was not Catholics that did the bombing? I find it amazing that we are the only country thart lets anyone into it legally or illegally and then we wonder why were so screwed up.

There isn’t another country in the World that has the mix of people that we have and yet most of these countries hate us. We give more in Aid, security and money than any other country, maybe it’s time to stop this and worry about our own problems, Gos knows we have enough of them.

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Nix… Life of Brian….so far yet so much farther to go.

Wise Man #1: “We are three wise men.
Brian’s mother: “Well, what are you doing creeping around a cow shed at two o’clock in the morning? That doesn’t sound very wise to me.

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Think of it this way

eyes,

My position would be the same either way. The passenger has the right to take any vacant seat and people opposed have the right to object. That right doesn’t extend to their not allowing the seating though, anymore than it does to forcing the mosque to move.

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ken R.,

“Did anyone tell Paul that it was not Catholics that did the bombing? ”

Did anyone tell that to the people at Bishops Gate, Wembley, Charing Cross Road, Victoria Station, the Docklands, Hyde Park etc?

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josef,

I like the sound of Red Sea Pedestrian, too. Two quickies – I want to be a Red Sea Pedestrian because I could never handle water skiing. Also, that sounds like a good title for a book or a screenplay, don’t you think?

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Scout, you cannot be serious. “Shariaphobia”? do you believe that this virulent straing of (faux) Islam is going to invade the US like the Russians in the movie “Red Dawn”? I ask this question of self-proclaimed Christians all the time; which is stronger, your “faith” in liberty (god) or your fear of Islam (the devil)? FEAR does not = reality.

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jewcowboy

“…religion, after all, is simply a means to control the behaviors of the masses.”

Which, given our current state of evolution as a species, means that it serves a vital and necessary role…

PAUL
Yeah, hello back at cha and what’s the weather forecast?

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For goodness sake,

Didn’t Bookman read ANYTHING while he was on vacation? This subject has been worn threadbare and obnoxious. Some bloggers are repeating the very same comments they’ve used dozens of times. It is pitiful. This is like going out and beating roadkill in a hunt for fresh meat.

But one notable post has been made today. REDNECK made the best comment here. In reply to a blogger who was wishing for a president with common sense and leadership ability; RedNeck declared George W. Bush was the man!

In all his satire and efforts to “stir the pot”:, RedNeck finally told the truth. Unintentional it probably was, he made an honest comment!!

Leadership is so lacking in Washington, that even liberals are beginning to keep their mouths shut while dreaming of the better days. They are falling over trivia questions while the national debt grows like Jack’s beanstalk. We can’t even see the top. OH…the good old days with a stable man to lead us.

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Welcome back, Jay. You were much missed and much needed.

As for all the hoopla over the mosque (which is not a mosque but an Islamic cultural center) at Ground Zero (which is not at Ground Zero), I am just glad Obama is pulling our soldiers out of Iraq. If we ever had a chance to “win the hearts and minds”, we have lost it, again.

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ken r,

This one is for you, baby.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5yTYZskz58

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eyes
Boy, that DOES sound like a good screenplay! I used to have a poster back when of Mark Spitz and Moses, the title was “Hey, Mo…wait a sec…”

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References to what %age are opposed or favor the mosque to support one or the other point of view is argumentum ad populum-if that many people think so, it must be true or right. That is the tyranny of the majority. We have a bicameral legislature to prevent that. The law is built on the reasoning of the framers of the constitution. There is no lack of clarity about freedom of religion in the Constitution. The building of the Mosque is a right guaranteed by that revered document.
The emotional, and irrational/unreasonable argument goes to the lack of wisdom and common sense of those who wish to build it. It is obvious the bridging of cultural & religious misunderstanding and lack of communication will not occur if they eventually build it-the aggrieved won’t possibly “understand” the Muslims who build it.
It is hilarious to think that they will pull a Roseanne Roseannadanna routine and end up saying “Oh, never mind,” after someone with big bucks buys the property for a huge profit

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Scout, and yet there are those who smoke their entire life, and not get cancer. ditto, those who never touch tobacco and live healthy lives, and still get cancer. here’s an idea, if you want to smoke, smoke. if you do not, don’t. as I said, whether or not you “get cancer” is moot.

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“During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy.

Jefferson’s victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, “From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli, We fight our country’s battles in the air, on land and sea.”

It wasn’t until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates.

Jefferson had been right. The “medium of war” was the only way to put and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a “visionary” wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.”

Ted Sampley

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josef nix,

I read this last week and thought of you and your knowledge of the Civil War:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/ground-zero-mosque-oppone_b_685164.html

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josef nix,

“fear of hellfire eternal trumps a year or so in the state pen!”

You evidently haven’t seen “Oz”.

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“All religions are man-made. There is only eternal life through Faith in Jesus Christ our Lord. That’s the only way. There is no other.”

Michael–Make up your mind, will you? If all religions are man-made, then you would certainly have to include Christianity in the mix. Or are you playing the “my mythology is better than your mythology” game?

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Scout,

How do you type all those comments so fast? If you can 120 wpm, I want to hire you as my secretary. But….I think that you just might have all this “hate Islam” stuffed packed away for a rainy day…and today’s the day, ain’t it?

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jewcowboy and josef, interesting observations. maybe the zealots are on to something (think Col. Jessup in “Few Good Men” – “…you need me on that wall, you want me on that wall…” maybe homo sapiens in general and Americans in particular have not demonstrated the benefits of critical thinking. you ever see a recovering addict or drunk say; “…I didn’t think it was possible to exist without dope or booze…” (insert Oveltine of the masses comment). OR, think about Iraq with Saddam in power, as opposed to not in power. maybe most folks need to be ruled via the iron fist (Christian or Muslim), lest their lives disintegrate into spiritual/cultural anarchy?

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Bruno:

Religion is man’s attempt to reach out to God

Christianity is God’s attempt to reach out to man.

Big difference !

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“Christianity is God’s attempt to reach out to man.”

Sorry Jews, you lose.

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Saul

Well, mine were Sephardim and this was at issue! I have recently been researching the situation among Southern Jewish women and their role is the capitalist economy in this little corner of the world in the colonial and early national periods. I’ve been looking at the Ketuboth and then the civil law crossing of t’s and dotting of i’s that went on…if you ever get a chance, check out Georgia’s “first mother” Abigail Minis…whoo, whee! She was a wheeler dealer and her will was signed in Hebrew and left her fortune to her daughters and nothing to her sons!

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Scout said Bruno:

Big difference !

Holy Cow! Scout, said who?

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Didn’t Rachel Maddow imply that Rand Paul was racist for his opinion regarding private business and racial discrimination–the Civil Rights Act?

It’s hard to keep up with all the accusations flying about.

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Scout,

Here’s what “God” really thinks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKuGcmW70I

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Saul, I am a paleo-neo. my neo-Carlinist handle was hijacked a few weeks back. so, if you’re keeping score, a neo-Carlinist favors the the “new” Carlin as evidenced by his crossover from Ed Sullivan Show/suit and tie middle America comedian, to the bearded, drug-addled, edgy counter-culture social critic. BUT, when some name-jacker started posting under my neo-Carlinist name (much like neo-cons have tried to “post” under the GOP name), I now refer to myself as a paleo-neo-Carlinist to confirm I am a discipile of the old, new George Carlin, not the “new” George Carlin (the hijacked Carlin). get it?

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Christianity is God’s attempt to reach out to man.

You INTENTIONALLY left me (woman) out of that one, didn’t you, Scout? Okay, I see where this is going. I know what time it is. I get it now. Scout, why do you hate women?

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3, 2, 1… Scout, do you mean Christianity is “man’s attempt at a reach around” (see: Ted Haggard, or any R.C. priest)?

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theyeshaveit:

“Holy Cow! Scout, said who?”

Jesus

“I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me.”

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lo siento amigos, I just relized I did not amend my handle on Bookman’s blog (he was out last week). I am the one true paleo-neo-Carlinist.

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josef nix, neo-Carlinist,

“Opiates are the religion of the masses…”

“Scout, do you mean Christianity is “man’s attempt at a reach around” (see: Ted Haggard, or any R.C. priest)?”

hehe…on that funny note…I have to jet…have a great evening all.

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Some of you have unkowingly fulfulled this prophecy today – Matthew 7:6

Have to go for awhile. You guys try to be nice to other posters even though I know it’s hard for you liberals.

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jewcowboy, I said “iron fist” not latex/rubber fist, to piggyback, Scout, “big difference” (disclaimer: I would imagine there is a big difference. I have no firsthand knowledge – I can be as kinky as the next b@stard, but that’s not my thing… not that there is anything wrong with it…). for those keeping score: I told a homoerotic (or homophobic, depeneding on your view) joke, and while shamelessly appropriating the observational comedy routine of a Jew, as it related to political correct speech and America’s “outraged/offended” industry.

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A greek orthodox church was destroyed on 9/11.
The church wants to rebuild. as a gesture of good
faith by christians should they be asked to refrain
from building if the muslims abandon the mosque.

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@ Paul- you are so incredibly dense,while believing you’re all-knowing and intellectual you are boring me to death.Rarely ever have I read such annoyingly inaccurate remarks, baring all rationale, sensitivity to others or ,even, just knowledge about history and relations.No wait- I have. I had pushed it out of my mind and memory because trying to call it up triggers a snooze reflex.
I don’t think it’s even an issue whether it is or isn’t appropriate,legal or whatever- fact is, a lot of people are unhappy about it, so put it somewhere else. A mosque that is supposed to signify peace and unity should not be built where it causes so much grief and controversy. For peace’s sake. Simple as that. For no other reason than that. Otherwise, it’s a ver non-peaceful undertaking and defies the purpose. I don’t understand why this is even an issue, why there is insistance on that particular location. This would be the perfect opportunity to show that Islam is peaceful,wants to peacefully coexist with others and respects this country. It can even be said out loudly ” we respect the majority’s feelings and for peace’s sake we will place our mosque of goodwill elsewhere”. THAT would cause a positive stir.

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Read the news in Europe for a few days. – Why?

They are years ahead of us in the quest for multiculturism. Countries like to hold on to their cultures, their identities and Islam is fundamentally opposed to modern Western freedoms. – I know it is hard for xenophobes to accept this, but the United States is a “multicultural” nation. It wasn’t until the last couple of years that the word shifted from “blessing”… as in “of liberty” to “curse”.

Islam is aggressive and adept at playing our politically correct politicians, using our rights, freedoms and tolerance against us. – see above. either our “rights, freedoms and tolerance” are to America’s benefit (what makes America great), or they are not. no “excpetions” for our national relationship with Islam; sorry.

If you think Islam is just another religion, talk to the dozens and dozens of men and women in hiding because they challenged its tenants as homophobic, misogynistic, intolerant of other religions, etc. Why do TV networks self censor. Why do universities censor their publications? And that is not worth discussing in America, “the land of the free”?!! -networks, universities and publications are businesses (even public universities are businesses).

Christian groups have been attacked by the same liberals defending Islam now. Christians don’t have religious police, like Saudi Arabia or approved haircuts, like Iran. Remember the gays attacks on Mormons last year? Not a whisper out of “bigot” out of the Liberals. Imagine an artist urinating on a Koran – have you seen Caddyshack; “Danny, are we in Russia?” OH, and I seem to recall some desecration of the Koran stuff coming our of Gitmo (not that there is anything wrong with it).

They’ve done that and worse to bibles and the Liberals encouraged it. – NO Skippy, fundamentalist Muslims “encourage” these things.

I dare any Liberal out there to call the local media and tear up a Koran on camera. You would quickly find out what kind of ideology Islam is. It wouldn’t even be newsworthy if it was a bible. – I have a better idea, why don’t you hide under the bed until will invade Iran.

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PAUL
viz. Morgana…good work there, EOI in chief!

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Morgana

Sorry.

Not you.

But your first paragraph did sound an awful lot like…. well, trust me. You don’t want to know about him.

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josef nix

and don’t forget, “Blog Destroyer.”

I worked hard for that moniker!

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I ask again, as every time we go off on this, how many of y’all attacking Islam and Muslims, how many do you actually know…I mean share a cup of coffee with, look at the pictures of the new baby. chat over the backyard fence about the impending visit of the mother-in-law from hell?

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“a lot of people are unhappy about it, so put it somewhere else.”

If a lot of us here say we are unhappy with you being here…will you go somewhere else?

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Terrence

August 23rd, 2010
5:03 pm
Didn’t Rachel Maddow imply that Rand Paul was racist for his opinion regarding private business and racial discrimination–the Civil Rights Act?

No, she didn’t. It was clear from the interview that Paul thought the rights of business owners to discriminate solely on racial terms superceded the rights of people to participate in the economy regardless of their race. He basically likened segregated lunch counters, etc to hate speech, objectionable but protected. I disagree and feel he took the wrong side with this conflict of rights but at no time did Rachel Maddow infer he was a racist.

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Paul,

I missed out on your daring shut down of said blog. What and how did you do it? Can you shut this one down? Please???

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” Losing my religion”……………………………

oy , enough already !!

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Hey DF–I didn’t know if you caught my earlier link to a Stephen Colbert interview with mathematician Art Benjamin, who teaches at my alma mater, Harvey Mudd College:

http://www.math.hmc.edu/~benjamin/mathemagics/video-colbert.html#colbert

If you have a few minutes, it’s totally hilarious. Back in 2008, I visited HMC, and Art was kind enough to chat with me for an hour or so. He even offered to play a game of backgammon with me, but I declined, in recognition of his success as a backgammon player. A real classy guy.

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SFD

Hat’s off to you on that 5:56! BTW thanks for the comment on Kyle’s yesterday…much appreciated…

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Someone needs to explain why Ronald Reagan hated America.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2010/08/somebody-needs-to-ask-sean-hannity.html

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HOW funny….geez

(IHB)

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Did the Kissing Bandit just run through?

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I like Ron Paul and agree with much of what he says EXCEPT when he says”

“The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer”.

Soccer was not the root cause of the bombing. The bomber’s interpretation of the Islamic faith was the root cause. I do not know of anyone who died for Soccer nor have I heard that if you play soccer you will be granted 72 virgins (unless you look like Beckham) nor have soccer fans professed that all non-soccer fans are condemned to hell and are heathens (those are hockey fans).

Regarding Islamaphobia — Despite what they may say, Muslims are and have always been on a mission to conquer and kill infidels. Infidel means “one without faith” — their faith. They do not recognize any other faith but their own and therefore we are unfit and not worthy to live. Sacrificing one’s life and killing infidels for the sake of Mohammed is a just cause. How is this compared to soccer?

Would the Israeli’s like the idea of a Nazi commemoration to be erected at Auschwitz? Should we allow the Japanese to erect a statue enshrining Hirohito at Pearl Harbor? Why is this any different?

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Bruno

August 23rd, 2010
6:00 pm
Hey DF–I didn’t know if you caught my earlier link to a Stephen Colbert interview with mathematician Art Benjamin, who teaches at my alma mater, Harvey Mudd College:

Yeah, I saw it and thought it was pretty good like much of Colbert’s stuff.

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Well, I sure did like going home behind that dead-heading school bus on GA 400. You can do all kind of things when you’re going at 40 or 45 mph. Like clipping your nails or reading your paper and stuff like that.

How come the school bus drivers ain’t allowed to pick up or let off kids on a X-pressway but can hold up traffic for miles when they’re by theirselfs? We need the Death Penalty there.

I hope Scout likes that new thread. It must be rattling around in his head along with a bunch of other stuff. None of the rest of us can see it.

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I do find it interesting how so little is said about property rights when the state and feds have so many other restrictions. Alcohol, porn, water in the ditch/puddle (State Water), school zone, etc etc.

Lets have a little equal opportunity outrage please…………….

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“They do not recognize any other faith but their own and therefore we are unfit and not worthy to live.”

Well………I know quite a few folks like that….and they aren’t even muslim……….

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LAST WORD
The relationship between Islam and other faiths, particularly the Abrahamic, like Christianity, has a history that depends on time and place. Some brands, Sufism a prime example, are open to ecumenism, others, Wahabi as an example, are not. The period in which Cordoba became the most tolerant, ecumenical and sophisticated city of its time, was a period when the three Abrahmic faiths worked together and gave the world such gifts as algebra, the modern system of medicine, the science of chemistry, modern astronomy and seafaring navigation—it was a Golden Age for all three faiths…that is why Cordoba was chosen for the name of this center…but unfortunately the “hate mongers” took control both among the Christians and the Muslims and the Islamic world entered into its own Dark Ages from which it is just now trying, desperately, to emerge…

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So that’s what happened to my post when I told Paul where to stuff his opinion of my nickname!!! Now I’m really po’ed.

Real Scooter,

To be fair I think Paul said you could have that nickname up until about 10. Anyway, Morgana just put him in his place.

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There’s more than one Morgana. There’s she of Arthurian legend.

Morgana, also known as Morgan le Fay, is a fairy queen and sorceress.

josef, is that you?

(IW&SH)

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Germans killed 6M Jews in the Holocaust, so no Volkswagen dealers 2 blocks from any synagogue. But wait, the Jews killed Jesus (Glen Beck said so), so no synagogues 2 blocks from any Christian Church. But wait, the Roman Catholic Church was a significant part of the Spanish Inquisition, so no Catholic Churches 2 blocks from a Taco Bell. It all makes perfect sense. Next week, why ducks and witches float.

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“U.S. court halts Obama’s stem cell policy… ”

I guess the US court is racist.

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Bruno

August 23rd, 2010
6:34 pm

Thanks for humoring me on that one, friend.

No, I was serious, that was good. Thanks for the Tony too. As for your education, I bet you use it more than you realize. Maybe not for profit but education has a lot of value in and of itself and it is something that is easily shared as well.

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I was trying to come up with one on that! Thanks… ISH

SAUL

She WAS a mess, wasn’t she? Obviously, didn’t nobody mess with her! She was buddies with Mary Musgrove, another one to check out if you don’t already know about her…them was some bad ass you know what’s hanging out there in Savannah! If you ever want to read some interesting commentaries, read John Wesley’s reports back from Savannah…he was so impressed with the Sephardim that he learned Ladino to take part in their “intra nostra” goings on and was so impressed with Mary Musgrove (and Abigail) that he taught Methodists to copy the Jews and his view of women was most interesting…calling for Methodists to drop all distinguishing between male and female…his respect for Musgrove led to his teaching the circuit riders to permit and encourage the incorporation of Indian belief systems and ritualistic practices into their practices whenever possible…

I am just now beginning to go back and take a second look at those early days and what went into the genesis of the Deep South’s weltanschauung…

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not pc
@ 6:40

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If this is the case that all muslims bombed the towers then no christans shall be around any kids because they are all child mulesters …..over 2000 kids have been abused by them….be sensitve to the parents and thoses kids

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test,

Why don’t you go to an inactive thread to try those out.

josef,

We’re just jerking Paul’s chain. I was his blogging mentor dontchaknow.

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-)

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RW
I ain’t pulling Paul’s chain…he’s got the POWER!

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Or go here and read about them

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I guess that 7:03 is for test and for josef.

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Thanks, RW

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RW
@ 7:03

Yeah! Neat….got it saved…this ought to really drive @@ to distraction!

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Bruno (regarding multiple wives)

I Timothy 3

“2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.”

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August 23rd, 2010
7:07 pm

But a fertility clinic destroying an unused embryo with no benefit to anyone is ok with you?

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Thanks RW. Had to cut out for a few to cook dinner.

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Okay Scooter, Paul

En garde!

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM5J1T_New_Orleans_Dueling_Oak

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josef:

I was particularly interested in these sections under RW’s —–INTRODUCTORY—–link.

Troubleshooting Smileys and Blocking Smileys

I could always throw this one up when I’ve had ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Don’t Forget:

But a fertility clinic destroying an unused embryo with no benefit to anyone is ok with you?

Can you point to where I said that in my 7:07?

Just as there have been unintended consequences to just about ALL of Obama’s economic and health care initiatives, I can foresee unintended consequences to federally funded stem cell research.

Black markets…violation of medical ethics…a whole slew of endless possibilities. On the other hand…

“That gives adult stem cells really a very interesting and potent quality that embryonic stem cells don’t have,” says Rocky Tuan of the University of Pittsburgh.

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Paul

Poor Scottie!

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I asked Scooter (the original) if he was “The Real Scooter?” He said, NO!

It gets confusing around these parts.

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RW-(the original)

“I’m not sure you should be going after Morgana just yet. Paul did kill our blog after all.”

True, true.

So when ya’ll gonna congratulate me for resurrecting it, hmmmmm?

md

“I do find it interesting how so little is said about property rights”

Well, ever since the liberals on the Court decided local governments could take your property and give it to a developer to get more taxes, it seems like a lost cause.

‘cept in our state, where our doofball governor is trying all sorts of misdirection to explain why he condemned the Court’s ruling then blew off the Legislature on a bill that would not let it happen here.

Real Scooter

“he does need to be given “what for” every now and then. ”

Ummm… what for? Or, for what? For?

RW-(the original)

“We’re just jerking Paul’s chain. I was his blogging mentor dontchaknow.”

’tis true. He was. And AmVet.

Boy, talk about a schizo upbringing….

Real Scooter

“If Paul and I had been around 200 years ago he would have found himself being slapped in the face with my glove for his insult to my honor!”

You have honor?!!?

Hey, is “Real” Scooter kinda like “Real” Housewives? Or that Jersey show?

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RW-(the original)

“That’s why Paul has the power. The rest of us still have to finish 2010.”

I was always ahead of the times -

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PAUL

“Boy, talk about a schizo upbringing….”

Look on the bright side, you’ll always have somebody to talk to…

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I was always ahead of the times -

Paul,

But now you need to tell us the makeup of the 112th Congress.

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“But now you need to tell us the makeup of the 112th Congress.”

They’ll be less makeup in the 112th Congress.

Nancy Pelosi won’t be in front of the cameras as much.

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josef nix 7:47

LOLOL!

RW-(the original)

Heavily Republican.

And Spkr Pelosi and Sen Reid and Pres Obama will say, by way of explanation

“It’s all Bush’s fault.”

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And Spkr Pelosi and Sen Reid and Pres Obama will say, by way of explanation

I think “former” might need to be added to a couple of those titles.

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Personally I don’t care for the KKK or Nazi’s… that point made they have a right to march, to speak or to purchase any real estate and do what they please acccording to the local laws… It’s all in the Constitution, it’s called FREEDOM and I will defend the use of those rights for any American. The folks who do not wish to have the community center on “hallowed ground” hate our Constitution, pure and simple, hate freedom of religion, hate free speech.

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I stay away from CT’s…scarey place…Kyle’s folks were nice enough, not ver chatty though…glad to be back “among my own kind”

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josef nix

“glad to be back “among my own kind”

Like Report/Whine? Scout?

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Well, I wish Paul would kill this blog but not hurt Bookman too bad. I don’t know how many ways us conservatives can say we don’t like Towelheads and don’t want them around. Unless dead or on trial or in prison. Or deported.

I’m hitting the sack. Maybe Bookman will sober up and give us a new thread in the morning. Have a good night everybody.

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PAUL
Yeah, them, too! Unmentionable has aptly termed us “That pack of malcontents you hang out with!”

Hilbilly
“I’ve already said everything that I have to say on this subject.”

So, why should that stop you, It hasn’t any of the rest of us!

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“That pack of malcontents you hang out with!”

I resent that remark!

I don’t deny it, but I resent it . . .

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josef nix

“Malcontents.”

I like that!

I like “Anarchists” better, but “Malcontents” is good, too!

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Hope he runs Haggai.

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Five hundred people attended the summit, which served, in part, as a training session for Tea Party activists in Texas. An advertisement cast the event as a populist uprising against vested corporate power. “Today, the voices of average Americans are being drowned out by lobbyists and special interests,” it said. “But you can do something about it.” The pitch made no mention of its corporate funders.

I just have a hard time picturing those Koch brothers as true tea partiers. Then again, they probably bought up the rights to every variation of the name.

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josef, I think it is because you and I are not captured by the right/left liberal/conservative model that political pundits and party hacks want us to be.

Yes, you tend to lean more towards the left side, but I have found you to be willing to look at both sides of an issue before coming to a conclusion, as I believe I do as well. And though I lean more conservative in my desire for a smaller government role, I also lean way left on social issues.

Ultimately, I believe we can agree on many things because we think, and they don’t.

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Taxpayer

“An advertisement cast the event as a populist uprising against vested corporate power….The pitch made no mention of its corporate funders.”

That is so sadly funny on so many levels.

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And, josef, let’s not forget that it’s an election year! Politics has once again become a blood sport in an even year.

I remember listening to Robert Reich speak at a conference I attended some years ago, and he liked to discuss the origin of the word “politics”. He said it was a combination word derived from the Greek word “poli”, meaning “many” and “tics” which are small blood sucking insects.

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Hillbilly
@ 8:16

When I heard that last night, it was just the thing I needed to put me in a good frame of mind for the week ahead…

DAVE R

I’ll never understand these memo-riddled who insist that if you don’t follow the party line then you’re “not really,,,” My “family values” are in the tradition of what many would consider the most conservative…35 years in a relationship “forsaking all others…” I’m an unapoligetic person of faith…I’m a recalcitrant and unreconstructed Southerner…but, and I stress that BUT, I come to those stances from a liberal perspective…and just because it’s my opinion doesn’t mean that it’s the only one or that that makes me “right…”

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Hillybilly

Good to hear from you again. And a wonderful link – thanks.

But now… just finished the last piece of work, gonna go have a light supper and get lost in Stieg Larsson’s last book, stay up waaaay too late reading, then tomorrow…. do it all over again!

Pleasant evening, all -

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Hillbilly

I do that to your name a lot, don’t I? Nothing intended. Just a brain short-circuit leading to a keyboard actuator input failure -

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