Ron Paul: Mosque opposition ‘all about hate and Islamaphobia’
While I’m no fan of Ron Paul’s politics, I confess I do admire the man’s willingness to speak truth to power, even on the many occasions when his version of the truth directly contradicts my own.
On the proposed Manhattan mosque, he doesn’t disappoint:
Is the controversy over building a mosque near Ground Zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?
It has been said, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are “fiddling while the economy burns.”
The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.
Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be “sensitive” requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from “ground zero.”
Just think of what might (not) have happened if the whole issue had been ignored and the national debate stuck with war, peace, and prosperity. There certainly would have been a lot less emotionalism on both sides. The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate raises the question of just why and driven by whom?
In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.
They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice.
The claim that we are in the Middle East to protect our liberties is misleading. To continue this charade, millions of Muslims are indicted and we are obligated to rescue them from their religious and political leaders. And we’re supposed to believe that abusing our liberties here at home and pursuing unconstitutional wars overseas will solve our problems.
The nineteen suicide bombers didn’t come from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran. Fifteen came from our ally Saudi Arabia, a country that harbors strong American resentment, yet we invade and occupy Iraq where no al Qaeda existed prior to 9/11.
Many fellow conservatives say they understand the property rights and 1st Amendment issues and don’t want a legal ban on building the mosque. They just want everybody to be “sensitive” and force, through public pressure, cancellation of the mosque construction.
This sentiment seems to confirm that Islam itself is to be made the issue, and radical religious Islamic views were the only reasons for 9/11. If it became known that 9/11 resulted in part from a desire to retaliate against what many Muslims saw as American aggression and occupation, the need to demonize Islam would be difficult if not impossible.
There is no doubt that a small portion of radical, angry Islamists do want to kill us but the question remains, what exactly motivates this hatred?
If Islam is further discredited by making the building of the mosque the issue, then the false justification for our wars in the Middle East will continue to be acceptable.
The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer.
Conservatives are once again, unfortunately, failing to defend private property rights, a policy we claim to cherish. In addition conservatives missed a chance to challenge the hypocrisy of the left which now claims they defend property rights of Muslims, yet rarely if ever, the property rights of American private businesses.
Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam, the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia.
It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators. Statistics of support (are) irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society — protecting liberty.
The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neo-conservative’s aggressive wars.
The House Speaker is now treading on a slippery slope by demanding a congressional investigation to find out just who is funding the mosque — a bold rejection of property rights, 1st Amendment rights, and the Rule of Law — in order to look tough against Islam.
This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.
We now have an epidemic of “sunshine patriots” on both the right and the left who are all for freedom, as long as there’s no controversy and nobody is offended.
Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored.
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Paul
August 23rd, 2010
8:17 pm
Taxpayer
“An advertisement cast the event as a populist uprising against vested corporate power….The pitch made no mention of its corporate funders.”
That is so sadly funny on so many levels.
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
8:18 pm
PAUL
Well, I will certainly go for “malcontent anarchist!”
Dave R.
August 23rd, 2010
8:20 pm
And, josef, let’s not forget that it’s an election year! Politics has once again become a blood sport in an even year.
I remember listening to Robert Reich speak at a conference I attended some years ago, and he liked to discuss the origin of the word “politics”. He said it was a combination word derived from the Greek word “poli”, meaning “many” and “tics” which are small blood sucking insects.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
8:22 pm
That link Hillbilly D dropped off deserves better treatment than being the last comment on the page.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11054376
I just hope the BBC does a better job at verifying facts than the AJC does before declaring miners to be alive.
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
8:30 pm
Hillbilly
@ 8:16
When I heard that last night, it was just the thing I needed to put me in a good frame of mind for the week ahead…
DAVE R
I’ll never understand these memo-riddled who insist that if you don’t follow the party line then you’re “not really,,,” My “family values” are in the tradition of what many would consider the most conservative…35 years in a relationship “forsaking all others…” I’m an unapoligetic person of faith…I’m a recalcitrant and unreconstructed Southerner…but, and I stress that BUT, I come to those stances from a liberal perspective…and just because it’s my opinion doesn’t mean that it’s the only one or that that makes me “right…”
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
8:32 pm
anarchy is the only government worth fighting for,
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
8:35 pm
Hillybilly
Good to hear from you again. And a wonderful link – thanks.
But now… just finished the last piece of work, gonna go have a light supper and get lost in Stieg Larsson’s last book, stay up waaaay too late reading, then tomorrow…. do it all over again!
Pleasant evening, all -
Hillbilly Deluxe
August 23rd, 2010
8:35 pm
I’ll never understand these memo-riddled who insist that if you don’t follow the party line then you’re “not really,,,”
Since I don’t follow any of the memos, I guess I’m “not really…an anything”. Does that mean I exist only in my imagination?
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
8:36 pm
Hillbilly
I do that to your name a lot, don’t I? Nothing intended. Just a brain short-circuit leading to a keyboard actuator input failure -
Dave R.
August 23rd, 2010
8:36 pm
You know, I just noticed the title of Jay’s FIRST column of the day.
“Aug. 23, 2010: Just another day in Disinformationland”
Isn’t EVERYDAY another day in Disinformationland when Jay isn’t on vacation?
Dave R.
August 23rd, 2010
8:37 pm
Wait . . . you guys get MEMOS? I never get any memos!
I want some memos!
Dave R.
August 23rd, 2010
8:45 pm
Well, gotta go pick up the missus from work in a bit. I’ll catch you folks tomorrow night, maybe.
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
8:45 pm
DAVE R
Oh, just listen to many of the posters (Jay being one, too) and you’ll get the memos!
Hillbilly
“I exist only in my imagination…”
Have you caught any (especially the first episode) of Morgan Freeman’s “The Wormhole?”
TaxPayer
August 23rd, 2010
8:50 pm
And you thought your commute was bad.
A 62-mile-long traffic jam on a highway leading to Beijing has now entered its ninth day, with no relief in sight, according to Chinese state media.
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
8:58 pm
Gotta check out a little early…got a new student today from Bulgaria and have to pull together a program for her…brilliant little bit, she…only been in the US since July and already has mastered enough English to make her needs known academically and personally…in my experience, we need to bring in a LOT more of the Bulgarians…every one I’ve ever had were heads and shoulders above anything I’ve seen from elsewhere…education reform? We might want to go take a look at what it is they’re doing over there because it’s sure working…
Southern Harmony
August 23rd, 2010
9:02 pm
principles have no feelings
rule by law is blind
Hillbilly Deluxe
August 23rd, 2010
9:06 pm
Paul @ 8:36
It’s no big deal. I don’t think you can call me anything I haven’t been called before.
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
9:07 pm
Southern Harmony:
You should be happy. This country has turned into a “judicial oligarchy”.
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
9:12 pm
@@
August 23rd, 2010
7:38 pm
I can foresee unintended consequences to federally funded stem cell research.
Black markets…violation of medical ethics…a whole slew of endless possibilities. On the other hand…
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That makes no sense whatsoever! By definition, a black market is ILLEGAL so restricting federally funded research does NOTHING to prevent that, unless of course you think researchers are more likely to sell the embryos they are doing research on than fertility clinics are to sell the excess embryo’s they are disposing. As for violation of medical ethics, what exactly do you have mind? And how are they more likely to violate these ethics than the fertility clinics? And why couldn’t those potential violations simply be outlawed? Well that’s 2 of the “endless possibilities” how about putting a few more out there. As for your link, well, duh. If you can’t do research on embryonic stem cells doesn’t it kind of follow that adult stem cell research would move ahead??? Bottom line, if you’re going to make embryos that will eventually be destroyed there is no morally defensible argument as to why they couldn’t be used for good.
Real Scooter
August 23rd, 2010
9:13 pm
Play with the words all you want to Paul. I know I don’t stand a chance with you in a battle of words or wit but your insult to me and the other Scooters was uncalled for. I will say no more about this subject and put it behind me.
dw
August 23rd, 2010
9:21 pm
i find it interesting that Paul and Jay can read everyone’s mind and know their motivation for opposing the mosque near ground zero. must be nice to have that extra power. if you don’t agree with a lib, then they call you a hater, without any proof. it is their biggest weapon.
TaxPayer
August 23rd, 2010
9:22 pm
With the Payroll side consistently running a surplus, and the Income tax side of the government consistently running a deficit, it not so much a case of the government borrowing from itself, as the income tax side borrowing from the payroll tax side. In other words, the poor are being forced to lend to the rich through the tax system.
I’ll bet that some people think that tax cuts actually trickle down when in fact, they flow uphill. It is something entirely different that trickles down.
Dusty
August 23rd, 2010
9:32 pm
Well, since the subject is anything we wish I might as well ask:
Why was a hummingbird hovering around my regular bird feeder? He was staring at bird seed like it was something new to him. I don’t have a hummingbird feeder with liquid food.. He was here yesterday but not at the feeder. Pretty little grren bird and definitely a hummingbird. Any hummingbird experts here?
mystified
August 23rd, 2010
9:32 pm
I really don’t understand. I am a neo conservative and I don’t hate. I support the rights involved here. I also understand that so few Americans on either side of the political spectrum truly understand the constitutionality or underlying basis of any major issue like this. It’s all about the emotion. I think “light weight” conservatives and independents are still offended by the 9-11 bombings and the fact that the bombers did it in the name of Islam and Allah. When the “non-violent” Muslims fail to condemn the issue or stand with America against the extremism, it shouldn’t be a surprise when mainstreet America fails to support this cause.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
9:36 pm
This blog could confuse the heck out of anyone that doesn’t realize the difference between blogger Paul and politician Paul. Even worse for the folks that are also confusing the two politician Pauls.
Real Scooter
August 23rd, 2010
9:38 pm
dw
August 23rd, 2010
9:21 pm
Don’t forget “racist” and “bigot” also.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
9:39 pm
Dusty,
Hummingbirds are very curious little critters. They’ll hover around my windows and stare in sometimes when they get tired of eating or I guess it’s really drinking.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
9:43 pm
Also a quick web search says the hummers might be going after small bugs around your seed feeder.
Real Scooter
August 23rd, 2010
9:45 pm
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
9:36 pm
Dang RW,I’m more confused than I already was. Whew! Maybe another beer would help.
Hillbilly Deluxe
August 23rd, 2010
9:48 pm
Dusty
Hummingbirds are also attracted to the colors, red and yellow. Don’t know what color your feeder is; that might be part of it though.
Real Scooter
August 23rd, 2010
9:50 pm
Hey Dusty,I’m no expert but,put out a feeder for the Humming birds. They come in many shapes and colors and are lots of fun to observe!
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
9:55 pm
Maybe another beer would help
I’ve often heard it said that it couldn’t hurt, but it turns out that’s really bad advice.
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
9:58 pm
“And so he bowed.”
TAPS !
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
9:58 pm
I’ve got no idea how much any of us know around here, but we prove nightly that we can seamlessly transition to pretty much any topic imaginable.
@@
August 23rd, 2010
10:00 pm
Don’t forget:
No doubt, you believed that Obama’s regulatory policies would neuter business. Unintended consequences?
Spikes in insurance premiums. Resurgence of bank and credit card fees.
How about creating embryos for the sole purpose of stem cell research. If there’s a buck to be made, somebody…somewhere is gonna figure out how to make that buck.
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According to Stratfor, Turkey’s secularists are in trouble.
Here’s an interesting fellow (imam) who’s based in Pennsylvania and dedicated to their downfall. He’s described by our government and media as a moderate Muslim.
Fethullah Gülen’s Grand Ambition
Turkey’s Islamist Danger
In the sermons, he said:
You must move in the arteries of the system without anyone noticing your existence until you reach all the power centers … until the conditions are ripe, they [the followers] must continue like this. If they do something prematurely, the world will crush our heads, and Muslims will suffer everywhere, like in the tragedies in Algeria, like in 1982 [in] Syria … like in the yearly disasters and tragedies in Egypt. The time is not yet right. You must wait for the time when you are complete and conditions are ripe, until we can shoulder the entire world and carry it … You must wait until such time as you have gotten all the state power, until you have brought to your side all the power of the constitutional institutions in Turkey … Until that time, any step taken would be too early—like breaking an egg without waiting the full forty days for it to hatch. It would be like killing the chick inside. The work to be done is [in] confronting the world. Now, I have expressed my feelings and thoughts to you all—in confidence … trusting your loyalty and secrecy. I know that when you leave here—[just] as you discard your empty juice boxes, you must discard the thoughts and the feelings that I expressed here.
He continued,
When everything was closed and all doors were locked, our houses of isik [light] assumed a mission greater than that of older times. In the past, some of the duties of these houses were carried out by madrasas [Islamic schools], some by schools, some by tekkes [Islamist lodges] … These isik homes had to be the schools, had to be madrasas, [had to be] tekkes all at the same time. The permission did not come from the state, or the state’s laws, or the people who govern us. The permission was given by God … who wanted His name learned and talked about, studied, and discussed in those houses, as it used to be in the mosques.
In another sermon, Gülen said,
Now it is a painful spring that we live in. A nation is being born again. A nation of millions [is] being born—one that will live for long centuries, God willing … It is being born with its own culture, its own civilization. If giving birth to one person is so painful, the birth of millions cannot be pain-free. Naturally we will suffer pain. It won’t be easy for a nation that has accepted atheism, has accepted materialism, a nation accustomed to running away from itself, to come back riding on its horse. It will not be easy, but it is worth all our suffering and the sacrifices.
And, in yet another sermon, he declared,
The philosophy of our service is that we open a house somewhere and, with the patience of a spider, we lay our web to wait for people to get caught in the web; and we teach those who do. We don’t lay the web to eat or consume them but to show them the way to their resurrection, to blow life into their dead bodies and souls, to give them a life.
[snip]
So long as U.S. and Western officials fail to recognize that Gülen’s rhetoric of tolerance is only skin-deep, they may be setting the stage for a dialogue, albeit not of religious tolerance, but rather to find an answer to the question, “Who lost Turkey?”
http://www.meforum.org/2045/fethullah-gulens-grand-ambition
Pennsylvania, eh?
Real Scooter
August 23rd, 2010
10:01 pm
You are right RW. Maybe I”ll go to bed and try again tommorow. lol
casual observer
August 23rd, 2010
10:01 pm
Weasel Boy all of the sudden quotes Ron Paul when it serves his purpose. Pathetic! The Libs would mot stand up for “religous freedom” if it concerned a Cross or Nativity.
Real Scooter
August 23rd, 2010
10:04 pm
mystified
August 23rd, 2010
9:32 pm
I agree with you about the emotion.Heck,I’m still upset over the South losing the war!
Hillbilly Deluxe
August 23rd, 2010
10:07 pm
I’ve got no idea how much any of us know around here, but we prove nightly that we can seamlessly transition to pretty much any topic imaginable.
Or as I like to say, I know a little bit about everything and a whole lot about nothing.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
10:11 pm
An Atlanta blog with a little bit of opinion about a whole lot of things
Hillbilly D,
I guess its our mission statement.
Real Scooter
August 23rd, 2010
10:12 pm
Or as I like to say, I know a little bit about everything and a whole lot about nothing.
I’m with you on that one Hillbilly!
Bob
August 23rd, 2010
10:15 pm
Dr. Paul is simply upholding his oath of office. To support the constitution of the US. If any of you folks disagree with this, for any reason, then you are being selective about American values. You want things your way or the highway. I disagree with Ron Paul on many policy matters, but I still sent hm $50 to run for president, because he alone, since the 1970’s, has had the guts to be a true American in congress.
Me.
August 23rd, 2010
10:20 pm
@ Scout…..is this what you are referring to in your 9:58 post??? http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33289_Bush_Bowed_Too
Hillbilly Deluxe
August 23rd, 2010
10:22 pm
History trivia:
Thomas Jefferson was the first President to institute the handshake, rather than bowing.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
10:25 pm
Normally I wouldn’t say anything about a no hitter in progress but since it already involves multiple pitchers it’s not that big a deal. Good thing it isn’t a perfect game chance though because Jim Joyce has the plate.
Through 8 in Texas.
AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
10:29 pm
This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.
Is it really that obvious, that a Republican congressman from Texas sees it for what it truly is?
Of course.
The Sons of Newt can twist and spin until the cows come home. But people with intellectual honesty, like Ron Paul, are not falling for it.
It is that transparent, and in my opinion, that vile.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
10:36 pm
Well I guess that 10:29 finally answers sfb’s queries from earlier. Harry Reid and Howard Dean are simply Islamaphobic haters. No more excuses.
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
10:38 pm
@@
August 23rd, 2010
10:00 pm
Don’t forget:
No doubt, you believed that Obama’s regulatory policies would neuter business. Unintended consequences?
Spikes in insurance premiums. Resurgence of bank and credit card fees.
How about creating embryos for the sole purpose of stem cell research. If there’s a buck to be made, somebody…somewhere is gonna figure out how to make that buck.
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You missed my point completely. IF there was a black market for embryos, who do you think would be more likely to sell embryos, a fertility clinic employee whose choice would be to sell the embryo or discard it, or a scientist who needs the embryo for their research. You also don’t seem to understand that this ruling only affects FEDERALLY FUNDED research. There is nothing preventing private researchers from doing the research RIGHT NOW.
As for spikes in insurance premiums????? First, the stem cell research is generally for chronic problems. So, while the initial payment may be higher than existing treatment, in the long run it would likely be lower. Take dialysis for example. It costs about $44,000 per year. A transplant costs about $35,000 as a one time expense. Even if creating a new kidney from stem cells cost $200,000, you’d still be financially ahead in about 6 years! Or Parkinson’s disease. If you could restore function of the striato-nigral tract in the brain through stem cells you could prevent years of expensive medicines, doctor visits, possible disability payments, hospital admissions for complications etc. Spinal cord injuries? Again you could save years of disability payments and medical care. And if you’re worried about the costs of these newer treatments, how does that differ from ANY new medical treatment? Your argument makes no sense and is quite lacking in the compassion area.
As for the credit card argument, I have no idea what you are talking about. Apparently you don’t either.
Dirty Harry Reid
August 23rd, 2010
10:38 pm
The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim!
truthywood
August 23rd, 2010
10:45 pm
@@@
Its not about left winger or right winger, Its about logic which is used by right wingers.
They use Muslim card pretty frequently.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
10:46 pm
Well it appears you can also jinx multi-pitcher no-nos by speaking of them…….
truthywood
August 23rd, 2010
10:49 pm
America is becoming fascist country, the only way to control that fascist nation is to ban dollar from world. kick out USA from UN. Remember Hitler also came in power with same democracy , He also called his opponents communists.
AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
10:58 pm
Don’t know about simply, but they are pandering to the lowest common denominator, like most good Republican-lites and almost all Republicans do.
As Dr. P noted, “We now have an epidemic of “sunshine patriots” on both the right and the left who are all for freedom, as long as there’s no controversy and nobody is offended.
Good call, sir…
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
11:04 pm
AmVet,
I’ll give you some credit here. At least you’re convinced that the 97.3% of people who don’t share your views are the kooks.
dave
August 23rd, 2010
11:04 pm
Paul – the answer to you question is NO, you don’t get it, not even close
AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
11:08 pm
RW, 97.3%? Is that the percentage of Americans opposed to the mosque for demagogued reasons?
Southern Harmony
August 23rd, 2010
11:12 pm
fox news min. partner is the one funding the mosque
glad I watch pbs &c-span
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
11:15 pm
AmVet,
It’s boiled down more than that since it has to involve more issues than the ground zero basketball court. I used something closer to Ralph Nader’s support numbers.
Why does a basketball court need its own Iman do you suppose?
No bama
August 23rd, 2010
11:16 pm
There should not be mosque near that site, period!!!
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
11:16 pm
AmVet–I thought of another Dead tune which should be right up your alley, “Throwing Stones”. I think it has your kind of beat and lyrics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WninWFtO0Gg
Need that cash to feed that jones
And the politician’s throwing stones
Singing ashes to ashes all fall down
Ashes to ashes all fall down
Allen
August 23rd, 2010
11:23 pm
Is it really about what you and I think? What republicans and dems think? Hell no. It’s about what the victims want. None of us are victims. The families of the slain 9/11 are the victims here. Put politics aside and do what is right by respecting the victims families and not building an Islamic center within blocks of Ground Zero. It really does not matter what we all think….we are NOT the victims here. The leader of this center should, out of respect, not build if that is what even ONE victims’ family member wants. Put up 10 other Islamic centers in NYC if you want. That is not the issue. Just respect the families, please.
Steve Reeves
August 23rd, 2010
11:27 pm
“fox news min. partner is the one funding the mosque
glad I watch pbs &c-span”
Oh, yeah!
Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal from the Saudi Royal Family owns 7% of News Corp, parent company of Fox News. He is also funding the Park 51 project. The geniuses at “Fox and Friends” were lambasting the guy this morning, as were Dan Senor and Dana Perillo. Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal is also a friend of the Bush family. Now that the word is out, you can bet the “evil Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal” story gets dropped like a stone. It will be fun to see how Fox tries to spin its way out of this one, though.
Atlanta 1
August 23rd, 2010
11:30 pm
It’s simple. They have the right… That doesn’t mean that they should, especially when they will not reveal where the financing is coming from…
Left is Left – Right is Right – the entire issue is ‘wrong’ because people are aligning with parties – not what is right…
Polictics tend to suck and in this case – it sucks big time…
Dusty
August 23rd, 2010
11:31 pm
Well, thanks…..RW, HillBilly and Real Scooter, for the good hummingbird info. I’m glad to know that my only little hummer visitor hasn’t lost his mind. I will try to get him a feeder made just for him.. Something with bright colors and plenty of that pink liquid stuff.. Thanks again. G’nite….
Southern Harmony
August 23rd, 2010
11:31 pm
watch daily show and thats what they showed f&f
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
11:35 pm
Goodnight Y’all
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
August 23rd, 2010
11:45 pm
Ron Paul is PLAIN wrong – do you know only Muslims are aloud to live in Mecca? Try that on for your libertarian stand.
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
11:45 pm
“if the anti-mosque crowd wants to change the law, and make Islam “illegal” or repeal the First Amendment, so be it. just SAY THE FREAKING WORDS. say something like; “Muslims scare me, and I have no confidence in my government’s ability to secure the homeland, so I think we should amend the Constitution to exclude Muslims from religious freedom…”
paleo-neo-Carlinist: I’ve been challenging the anti-Muslim crowd to do just that. However, that would require honesty, courage and clarity of thought, three qualities I find lacking in that bunch. Many conservatives have (rightly) pointed out one of Obama’s biggest downfalls, The Law Of Unintended Consequences. Yet somehow, they don’t see the three fingers pointing back at themselves when they protest the building of the Muslim center.
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
11:48 pm
“do you know only Muslims are aloud to live in Mecca?”
And what does that have to do with doing the right thing? According to your line of thinking, we should find the most repressive regime on earth and model ourselves after them. That’ll really show them!!
Such a deep thinker you are, mmm.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
August 23rd, 2010
11:49 pm
I learned all I need to know about Muslims on 9/11…mmm, mmm, mmm….
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
August 23rd, 2010
11:54 pm
Bruno – I will repeat it for you…..“Do you know only Muslims are aloud to live in Mecca?”
It must be your bedtime. With such a hedious religion you SHOULD get it, but dropping out of school, obviously was your wrong choice. I geuss you just don’t get it. The muslims that want that mosque built there should first take care of their own prejudices. Such a loving religion, NOT!
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
11:58 pm
It’s never too late to get on the bus, mmm:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcY9hZdtVDE
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
August 24th, 2010
12:01 am
So Peadawg, are Muslims then Nazis?
Are Muslims then KKK members?
That is the conclusion you attempt to push with that ridiculous comparison. You confirm Paul’s conclusion.
To your anwer I would say yes, given the opportunity. WAKE UP CALL FOR
BED WETTER!
Bruno
August 24th, 2010
12:03 am
mmm–A little advice for you: Drinking and blogging don’t mix very well.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
August 24th, 2010
12:04 am
Bruno
– Way to answer the questions. Typical liberal kool-aide drinker. Try the batch coming out of the Gulf in New Orleans. Where is NObama?
Vacations, or Golf or Paul McCartney, but NO CHURCH! –hmmm could be a Muslim lover in disguise.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
August 24th, 2010
12:06 am
Bruno
Sorry I don’t drink or smoke. You might try it yourself, your posts would probably improve, at least your thinking. Sounds like another case of weath evny. That will stop you from achiving everytime.
Bruno
August 24th, 2010
12:07 am
Sing along, mmm:
When I awoke, the dire wolf, six hundred pounds of sin,
Was grinning at my window, all I said was come on in.
Don’t murder me, I beg of you, don’t murder me. please, don’t murder me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhqyg_dTaTg
Bruno
August 24th, 2010
12:09 am
“Sounds like another case of weath evny. That will stop you from achiving everytime.”
Try again, mmm. I’ve made a few mil in my day, but didn’t hold on to it. Chasing women and partying hard did me in.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
August 24th, 2010
12:11 am
Bruno – Those are probably GOOD words for YOU to live by. But like you and the rest of bleeders of the tax payers. I must be off to support you and your ilk.
Here’s one for YOU!
Tax the Rich Feed the poor ’til there are RICH no more. – Alvin Lee, Ten Years After from “I’d Love to Change the World”.
Bruno
August 24th, 2010
12:13 am
“But like you and the rest of bleeders of the tax payers. I must be off to support you and your ilk.”
I’ve probably paid more in taxes than you even earned. But thanks for trying.
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
August 24th, 2010
12:17 am
Bruno – I SERIOUSLY doubt it, but to think you could have given the money you wasted on women and booze to the poor. Bad choices will always come back to haunt you. Who know some of them might have even been Muslims.
Bruno
August 24th, 2010
12:24 am
For the morning crew, here are some Scarlet Begonias to start the day with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQSeWLuU8hw&feature=related
Song lyrics specially for the effervescent USinUK:
As I was walking round Grosvenor Square
Not a chill to the winter but a nip to the air
From the other direction she was calling my eye
It could be an illusion, but I might as well try
Might as well try
She had rings on her fingers and bells on her shoes
And I knew without asking she was into the blues
She wore scarlet begonias, tucked into her curls
I knew right away she was not like other girls
Other girls
In the thick of the evening when the dealing got rough
She was too pat to open and too cool to bluff
As I picked up my matches and was closing the door
I had one of those flashes I had been there before
Been there before
Well I ain’t often right but I’ve never been wrong
It seldom turns out the way it does in the song
Once in a while you get shown the light
In the strangest of places if you look at it right
Well there ain’t nothing wrong with the way she moves
Scarlet begonias or a touch of the blues
And there’s nothing wrong with the look that’s in her eyes
I had to learn the hard way to let her pass by
Let her pass by
The wind in the willows playing Tea for Two
The sky was yellow and the sun was blue
Strangers stopping strangers just to shake their hand
Everybody is playing in the heart of gold band
Heart of gold band
Two strawmen fighting it out
August 24th, 2010
3:41 am
Isn’t the claim that opposition to the mosque is “all about hate and Islamaphobia” a negative stereotype of a group based on the comments of a minority of its members? Is that just as bad as claiming all Muslims are terrorists because some are?
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2010
6:10 am
Isn’t the claim that opposition to the mosque is “all about hate and Islamaphobia” a negative stereotype of a group based on the comments of a minority of its members? Is that just as bad as claiming all Muslims are terrorists because some are?
Well on its face I would say no, because what we’re accusing the Park51 opponents of doing is based on a specific issue where they’ve taken a specific stand.
However it’s worth noting that Jay’s headline is somewhat misleading. Ron Paul doesn’t actually quite say that all Park51 opposition is all about hate and Islamaphobia. The sentence one about calls to investigate the cultural center’s backers.
Given the context, I believe Ron Paul is correct.
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2010
6:13 am
oops, let me fix that…
It’s worth noting that Jay’s headline is somewhat misleading. Ron Paul doesn’t actually quite say that all Park51 opposition is all about hate and Islamaphobia. The sentence follows one about calls to investigate the cultural center’s backers. Specifically, this:
The House Speaker is now treading on a slippery slope by demanding a congressional investigation to find out just who is funding the mosque — a bold rejection of property rights, 1st Amendment rights, and the Rule of Law — in order to look tough against Islam.
godless heathen
August 24th, 2010
6:55 am
What time is Jay starting the next mosque blog?
I don’t want to miss anyone’s comment on this issue that so affects all of our lives. /sarcasm off
USinUK
August 24th, 2010
7:02 am
“In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.”
holy crap. bold stuff, there, Ron …
USinUK
August 24th, 2010
7:05 am
g’morning, B-dog … what’s the good news? did you get the gig?
USinUK
August 24th, 2010
7:20 am
Bruno – “Such a deep thinker you are, mmm.”
you know what they say about never having a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed …
as far as whiner goes … “unarmed” doesn’t go far enough
Get Real
August 24th, 2010
7:22 am
BIG_DAWGZ
August 23rd, 2010
1:56 pm
ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION!
IT IS A VERY DANGEROUS, MILITANT AND BARBARIC CULT, WHOSE CORE PRINCIPLES ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE PRINCIPLES OF THE UNITED STATES. MOSQUES ARE MILITARY CENTERS AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ANYWHERE.
ISLAM DOES NOT ALLOW FOR:
-FREEDOM OF SPEECH
-FREEDOM OF RELIGION
-IMPOSES CRUEL & UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT (HOMOSEXUALS ARE TO BE KILLED, FORNICATORS WHIPPED, THIEVES TO HAVE HAND CHOPPED OFF)
-THERE IS NO SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE UNDER ISLAM
PEDOPHILIA IS ACCEPTABLE UNDER ISLAM, BECAUSE THAT IS THE EXAMPLE THAT MUHAMMAD PROVIDED, WHO MARRIED A 7 YEAR OLD GIRL AND CONSUMMATED THE MARRIAGE! COMPARE THAT TO THE EXAMPLE THAT JESUS PROVIDED – SINLESS!
TO READ MORE ON WHAT ISLAM TEACHES, GOOGLE: TOP TEN REASONS WHY SHARIA IS BAD FOR ALL SOCIETIES
GOOGLE: PAMPHLETS FOUND IN AMERICAN MOSQUES
THE IMAM AT THIS MOSQUE WANTS TO IMPLEMENT SHARIA/ISLAMIC LAW HERE IN THE U.S. DOES THIS SOUND “FRIENDLY” TO YOU?
THE NAME OF THE MOSQUE IS GOING TO BE CALLED “CORDOBA HOUSE,” WHICH IS THE NAME OF A TOWN IN SPAIN WHERE MUSLIMS ATTACKED IT, DESTROYED IT, DESTROYED A CHURCH THERE AND BUILT A MOSQUE ON TOP OF IT! DOES THIS SOUND “FRIENDLY” TO YOU?!
MOSQUEs AT GROUND ZERO ARE UNDOUBTEDLY POLITICAL AND MILITARY CENTERS FOR ISLAM! PERIOD.
Well, when all the liberal homosexuals and women find themselves governed under Sharia Law maybe they will understand Islam is really not a friendly religion! And when their daughters are slain because of Honor Killings under Sharia Law they will realize Islam is not a friendly religion! Islam is not your friend! It is an aniquated religion that is years behind the time that treats women worse than and animal with no rights and they are haters of the Western world!
Normal
August 24th, 2010
7:23 am
Grand morning all. Found my wallet, but only after I has cancelled all of my credit cards. For the time being, it’s back to the old fashioned way…Go to the Bank and write a check for “cash” to get money. Oh the good old days
It seems to be typical of the Neo Cons to use emotion as they do. They have no answers for any of the valid problems we have, so to try to get elected they shout “BOOGIE MAN”. I truly hope that the populous wakes up and see’s them for what they are before November. It’s time to slap their widdle butts…
Finn McCool
August 24th, 2010
7:23 am
“Many people, improperly, lump together libertarians and the Tea Parties. That’s really wrong. Many of the libertarians are physicists, and many of the Tea Party people don’t bathe. There’s really not much in common there!”
~ Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla.
Normal
August 24th, 2010
7:26 am
Get Real
August 24th, 2010
7:22 am
Are you hiding under your bet when you posted that, or are you just another Neo Con parrot?
USinUK
August 24th, 2010
7:27 am
Finn – no fair posting that while I’m eating … nearly had home-grown tomatoes shooting out my nose …
Normal – yay on your wallet! what about your blood monitor? did the restaurant have that, too?
“when all the liberal homosexuals and women find themselves governed under Sharia Law ”
USinUK
August 24th, 2010
7:28 am
Normal – 7:26 – pee- and cheeto-stained pajamas. s’all I’m sayin.
stands for decibels
August 24th, 2010
7:29 am
NO CHURCH! –hmmm could be a Muslim lover in disguise.
[...]
IT IS A VERY DANGEROUS, MILITANT AND BARBARIC CULT
PEDOPHILIA IS ACCEPTABLE UNDER ISLAM, BECAUSE THAT IS THE EXAMPLE THAT MUHAMMAD PROVIDED, WHO MARRIED A 7 YEAR OLD GIRL
Golly, I don’t know where people get the idea that the Park51 oppo is driven by hate and Isamaphobia.
USinUK
August 24th, 2010
7:30 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Religions_of_the_United_States.png
here ya go, get real … this should make you feel better … now, go change your britches and get a bowl of oatmeal -
Normal
August 24th, 2010
7:32 am
USinUK,
Yes, my monitor was there too…and all my money (six bucks and change).
I use a fanny pack like an over the shoulder bag to carry my personal stuff in. I have decorated the strap with memorabilia pins which made them think the bag wasn’t mine. I have a Breast Cancer pin on it and they couldn’t believe a man would display one. I have it for my sister, of course. Anyway, all is good…
USinUK
August 24th, 2010
7:33 am
dB – whatever you do, don’t tell him about Abraham screwing his serving maid or Lot offering up his daughters to be raped …
USinUK
August 24th, 2010
7:34 am
Normal – yay, you! I love it when people remind you that most folkses are basically good and decent, no matter what you think after watching the 6:00 news.