Ron Paul: Mosque opposition ‘all about hate and Islamaphobia’
While I’m no fan of Ron Paul’s politics, I confess I do admire the man’s willingness to speak truth to power, even on the many occasions when his version of the truth directly contradicts my own.
On the proposed Manhattan mosque, he doesn’t disappoint:
Is the controversy over building a mosque near Ground Zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?
It has been said, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are “fiddling while the economy burns.”
The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.
Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be “sensitive” requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from “ground zero.”
Just think of what might (not) have happened if the whole issue had been ignored and the national debate stuck with war, peace, and prosperity. There certainly would have been a lot less emotionalism on both sides. The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate raises the question of just why and driven by whom?
In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.
They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice.
The claim that we are in the Middle East to protect our liberties is misleading. To continue this charade, millions of Muslims are indicted and we are obligated to rescue them from their religious and political leaders. And we’re supposed to believe that abusing our liberties here at home and pursuing unconstitutional wars overseas will solve our problems.
The nineteen suicide bombers didn’t come from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran. Fifteen came from our ally Saudi Arabia, a country that harbors strong American resentment, yet we invade and occupy Iraq where no al Qaeda existed prior to 9/11.
Many fellow conservatives say they understand the property rights and 1st Amendment issues and don’t want a legal ban on building the mosque. They just want everybody to be “sensitive” and force, through public pressure, cancellation of the mosque construction.
This sentiment seems to confirm that Islam itself is to be made the issue, and radical religious Islamic views were the only reasons for 9/11. If it became known that 9/11 resulted in part from a desire to retaliate against what many Muslims saw as American aggression and occupation, the need to demonize Islam would be difficult if not impossible.
There is no doubt that a small portion of radical, angry Islamists do want to kill us but the question remains, what exactly motivates this hatred?
If Islam is further discredited by making the building of the mosque the issue, then the false justification for our wars in the Middle East will continue to be acceptable.
The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer.
Conservatives are once again, unfortunately, failing to defend private property rights, a policy we claim to cherish. In addition conservatives missed a chance to challenge the hypocrisy of the left which now claims they defend property rights of Muslims, yet rarely if ever, the property rights of American private businesses.
Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam, the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia.
It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators. Statistics of support (are) irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society — protecting liberty.
The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neo-conservative’s aggressive wars.
The House Speaker is now treading on a slippery slope by demanding a congressional investigation to find out just who is funding the mosque — a bold rejection of property rights, 1st Amendment rights, and the Rule of Law — in order to look tough against Islam.
This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.
We now have an epidemic of “sunshine patriots” on both the right and the left who are all for freedom, as long as there’s no controversy and nobody is offended.
Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored.
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jewcowboy
August 23rd, 2010
4:38 pm
Scout,
“Those who think Islam can thrive without the loss of personal freedoms are like someone who smokes and thinks they can’t get cancer.”
The same can be said for any religion…religion, after all, is simply a means to control the behaviors of the masses.
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
4:38 pm
A Red Sea Pedestrian! I like that!
ken R
August 23rd, 2010
4:38 pm
First of all, Jay you could of stayed on Vac, for a couple more years, but then again I would have to put up with CT’s ravings, and your’s are better.
Did anyone tell Paul that it was not Catholics that did the bombing? I find it amazing that we are the only country thart lets anyone into it legally or illegally and then we wonder why were so screwed up.
There isn’t another country in the World that has the mix of people that we have and yet most of these countries hate us. We give more in Aid, security and money than any other country, maybe it’s time to stop this and worry about our own problems, Gos knows we have enough of them.
ken R
August 23rd, 2010
4:39 pm
Jewcowboy, well said.
Keep up the good fight!
August 23rd, 2010
4:40 pm
Nix… Life of Brian….so far yet so much farther to go.
Wise Man #1: “We are three wise men.
Brian’s mother: “Well, what are you doing creeping around a cow shed at two o’clock in the morning? That doesn’t sound very wise to me.
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
4:41 pm
Those who think Islam can thrive without the loss of personal freedoms are like someone who smokes and thinks they can’t get cancer.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
4:41 pm
Think of it this way
eyes,
My position would be the same either way. The passenger has the right to take any vacant seat and people opposed have the right to object. That right doesn’t extend to their not allowing the seating though, anymore than it does to forcing the mosque to move.
khc
August 23rd, 2010
4:41 pm
who runs iran….conservatives
jewcowboy
August 23rd, 2010
4:43 pm
ken R.,
“Did anyone tell Paul that it was not Catholics that did the bombing? ”
Did anyone tell that to the people at Bishops Gate, Wembley, Charing Cross Road, Victoria Station, the Docklands, Hyde Park etc?
Sam
August 23rd, 2010
4:43 pm
“Congress shall make no law establishing religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
Enough said.
theyeshaveit
August 23rd, 2010
4:43 pm
josef,
I like the sound of Red Sea Pedestrian, too. Two quickies – I want to be a Red Sea Pedestrian because I could never handle water skiing. Also, that sounds like a good title for a book or a screenplay, don’t you think?
npgator
August 23rd, 2010
4:43 pm
You are asking who is stirring this issue up? It is the media as much as anyone. They are loving every minute of this debate and will run with it as long as it appears to have legs.
neo-Carlinist
August 23rd, 2010
4:44 pm
Scout, you cannot be serious. “Shariaphobia”? do you believe that this virulent straing of (faux) Islam is going to invade the US like the Russians in the movie “Red Dawn”? I ask this question of self-proclaimed Christians all the time; which is stronger, your “faith” in liberty (god) or your fear of Islam (the devil)? FEAR does not = reality.
theyeshaveit
August 23rd, 2010
4:44 pm
Scout,
The real cancer is this phobia over Islam. I might be able to hook you up with an inoculation. Just let me know.
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
4:45 pm
jewcowboy
“…religion, after all, is simply a means to control the behaviors of the masses.”
Which, given our current state of evolution as a species, means that it serves a vital and necessary role…
PAUL
Yeah, hello back at cha and what’s the weather forecast?
jewcowboy
August 23rd, 2010
4:45 pm
“US like the Russians in the movie “Red Dawn”? ”
What will we do without Swayze?
Dusty
August 23rd, 2010
4:46 pm
For goodness sake,
Didn’t Bookman read ANYTHING while he was on vacation? This subject has been worn threadbare and obnoxious. Some bloggers are repeating the very same comments they’ve used dozens of times. It is pitiful. This is like going out and beating roadkill in a hunt for fresh meat.
But one notable post has been made today. REDNECK made the best comment here. In reply to a blogger who was wishing for a president with common sense and leadership ability; RedNeck declared George W. Bush was the man!
In all his satire and efforts to “stir the pot”:, RedNeck finally told the truth. Unintentional it probably was, he made an honest comment!!
Leadership is so lacking in Washington, that even liberals are beginning to keep their mouths shut while dreaming of the better days. They are falling over trivia questions while the national debt grows like Jack’s beanstalk. We can’t even see the top. OH…the good old days with a stable man to lead us.
Keep up the good fight!
August 23rd, 2010
4:46 pm
It does not seem to bother Scout at all that his arguments were made at the founding of this country and were rejected by Washington, Jefferson and others. Those who established our personal freedoms in the Bill of Rights had no problem with Islam.
ATF
August 23rd, 2010
4:47 pm
Welcome back, Jay. You were much missed and much needed.
As for all the hoopla over the mosque (which is not a mosque but an Islamic cultural center) at Ground Zero (which is not at Ground Zero), I am just glad Obama is pulling our soldiers out of Iraq. If we ever had a chance to “win the hearts and minds”, we have lost it, again.
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
4:47 pm
“And so we bowed.”
theyeshaveit
August 23rd, 2010
4:48 pm
ken r,
This one is for you, baby.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5yTYZskz58
jewcowboy
August 23rd, 2010
4:48 pm
josef nix,
“Which, given our current state of evolution as a species, means that it serves a vital and necessary role…”
In your opinion…I tend to think the Constitution and the US Code trumps 2000 year old contradictory gibberish…but then perhaps governments are simply the new religion.
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
4:48 pm
eyes
Boy, that DOES sound like a good screenplay! I used to have a poster back when of Mark Spitz and Moses, the title was “Hey, Mo…wait a sec…”
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
4:49 pm
“In the seventh century of the Christian era a wandering Arab, of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combing the powers of transcendent genius with the preternatural energy of a fanatic and the fraudulent spirit of an imposter, proclaimed himself as a messenger from heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth.”
“Adopting, from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God, he connected indissolubly with it the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion.”
“He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war as part of his religion against all the rest of mankind. The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust; to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature.”
“Between these two religions, thus contrasted in the characters, a war of more than twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extincture of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute are encouraged to furnish motives to human action, there never can be peace on earth and good will toward men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him.”
John Quincy Adams
clanmack
August 23rd, 2010
4:49 pm
References to what %age are opposed or favor the mosque to support one or the other point of view is argumentum ad populum-if that many people think so, it must be true or right. That is the tyranny of the majority. We have a bicameral legislature to prevent that. The law is built on the reasoning of the framers of the constitution. There is no lack of clarity about freedom of religion in the Constitution. The building of the Mosque is a right guaranteed by that revered document.
The emotional, and irrational/unreasonable argument goes to the lack of wisdom and common sense of those who wish to build it. It is obvious the bridging of cultural & religious misunderstanding and lack of communication will not occur if they eventually build it-the aggrieved won’t possibly “understand” the Muslims who build it.
It is hilarious to think that they will pull a Roseanne Roseannadanna routine and end up saying “Oh, never mind,” after someone with big bucks buys the property for a huge profit
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
4:49 pm
josef… I think the jewish women from my ancestry were lucky enough to own a needle, some thread, and maybe a rolling pin… that was basically about all the “property” they could afford….owning “real” property was something WAY beyond the grasp of their imaginations…
neo-Carlinist
August 23rd, 2010
4:50 pm
Scout, and yet there are those who smoke their entire life, and not get cancer. ditto, those who never touch tobacco and live healthy lives, and still get cancer. here’s an idea, if you want to smoke, smoke. if you do not, don’t. as I said, whether or not you “get cancer” is moot.
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
4:52 pm
jewcowboy…
I wouldn’t argue with your contention at all…we just haven’t evolved to the point that constitutional law trumps…fear of hellfire eternal trumps a year or so in the state pen!
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
4:52 pm
“During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy.
Jefferson’s victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, “From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli, We fight our country’s battles in the air, on land and sea.”
It wasn’t until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates.
Jefferson had been right. The “medium of war” was the only way to put and end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a “visionary” wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.”
Ted Sampley
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
4:53 pm
jewcowboy,
I thought it was the opiate of the masses.
jewcowboy
August 23rd, 2010
4:53 pm
josef nix,
I read this last week and thought of you and your knowledge of the Civil War:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/ground-zero-mosque-oppone_b_685164.html
theyeshaveit
August 23rd, 2010
4:53 pm
josef,
haha. Sounds like a good one. I have seen a very different poster of Mark Spitz that was positioned over someone’s commode, but we are not on THAT subject today.
jewcowboy
August 23rd, 2010
4:54 pm
josef nix,
“fear of hellfire eternal trumps a year or so in the state pen!”
You evidently haven’t seen “Oz”.
gomer
August 23rd, 2010
4:54 pm
Why can’t the so-called strict constructionist gopers see the irony in their stance?
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
4:54 pm
“All religions are man-made. There is only eternal life through Faith in Jesus Christ our Lord. That’s the only way. There is no other.”
Michael–Make up your mind, will you? If all religions are man-made, then you would certainly have to include Christianity in the mix. Or are you playing the “my mythology is better than your mythology” game?
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
4:54 pm
neo,
I hope you don’t mind if I add to your analogy…
Scout…when was the last time someone “forced” YOU personally to smoke a cigarette?
When was the last time someone “forced” YOU personally to attend a Mosque and renounce your own brand of religion?
theyeshaveit
August 23rd, 2010
4:57 pm
Scout,
How do you type all those comments so fast? If you can 120 wpm, I want to hire you as my secretary. But….I think that you just might have all this “hate Islam” stuffed packed away for a rainy day…and today’s the day, ain’t it?
jewcowboy
August 23rd, 2010
4:57 pm
Bosch,
“I thought it was the opiate of the masses.”
That is what the flouride in the water systems does.
neo-Carlinist
August 23rd, 2010
4:57 pm
jewcowboy and josef, interesting observations. maybe the zealots are on to something (think Col. Jessup in “Few Good Men” – “…you need me on that wall, you want me on that wall…” maybe homo sapiens in general and Americans in particular have not demonstrated the benefits of critical thinking. you ever see a recovering addict or drunk say; “…I didn’t think it was possible to exist without dope or booze…” (insert Oveltine of the masses comment). OR, think about Iraq with Saddam in power, as opposed to not in power. maybe most folks need to be ruled via the iron fist (Christian or Muslim), lest their lives disintegrate into spiritual/cultural anarchy?
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
4:58 pm
“Why can’t the so-called strict constructionist gopers see the irony in their stance?”
Because they are doofuses.
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
4:59 pm
Bruno:
Religion is man’s attempt to reach out to God
Christianity is God’s attempt to reach out to man.
Big difference !
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
4:59 pm
“maybe homo sapiens in general and Americans in particular have not demonstrated the benefits of critical thinking”
Because many of them are like Scout and Peadawg and are big giant doofuses.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
5:00 pm
“Christianity is God’s attempt to reach out to man.”
Sorry Jews, you lose.
jewcowboy
August 23rd, 2010
5:00 pm
“Religion is man’s attempt to reach out to God
Christianity is God’s attempt to reach out to man”
And jewcowboyism is my attempt to reach into your wallet.
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
5:01 pm
Saul
Well, mine were Sephardim and this was at issue! I have recently been researching the situation among Southern Jewish women and their role is the capitalist economy in this little corner of the world in the colonial and early national periods. I’ve been looking at the Ketuboth and then the civil law crossing of t’s and dotting of i’s that went on…if you ever get a chance, check out Georgia’s “first mother” Abigail Minis…whoo, whee! She was a wheeler dealer and her will was signed in Hebrew and left her fortune to her daughters and nothing to her sons!
godless heathen
August 23rd, 2010
5:02 pm
Ya’ll mean the mosque isn’t a mosque and it ain’t at ground zero? Gosh I hadn’t heard that before page 4 of this blog.
theyeshaveit
August 23rd, 2010
5:02 pm
Scout said Bruno:
Religion is man’s attempt to reach out to God
Christianity is God’s attempt to reach out to man.
Big difference !
Holy Cow! Scout, said who?
Bubba
August 23rd, 2010
5:03 pm
I agree with some of Ron Paul’s points, but he totally lost me when he played the “hate” card. Hate can manifest itself in a lot of ways: It can manifest itself by hanging people because of their skin color; by murdering 6 million people because of their religion; it can manifest itself by flying a jetliner into a skyscraper full of innocent people. And it can manifest itself when tens of thousands take to the streets and celebrate the latter act — which was carried out in the name of their religion, Islam. It’s true there were only a couple dozen or so terrorists who carried out the atrocities of Sept. 11, but there was a significant portion of the Islamic faith that supported and even cheered those acts. Now, let’s consider how “hateful” the American people are: How many people were killed in anti-Muslim violence in the wake of Sept. 11? Hint: Less than one. How many anti-Muslim incidents even took place? The Council on American-Islamic Relations reports that in 2005, anti-Muslim “hate crimes” reached their highest level in a decade — 153, up 50 percent from 2004 (about 100) and 2003 (93). That’s it. In a nation of 300 million people, that is staggering testimony to the tolerance of the American people. Hatred? Hatred? To quote Mike Gundy, it makes me want to puke.
Terrence
August 23rd, 2010
5:03 pm
Didn’t Rachel Maddow imply that Rand Paul was racist for his opinion regarding private business and racial discrimination–the Civil Rights Act?
It’s hard to keep up with all the accusations flying about.
jewcowboy
August 23rd, 2010
5:03 pm
neo-Carlinist,
“maybe most folks need to be ruled via the iron fist (Christian or Muslim), lest their lives disintegrate into spiritual/cultural anarchy?”
Christian’s and Muslim’s have a need for fisting huh…kinky b@stards.
theyeshaveit
August 23rd, 2010
5:04 pm
Scout,
Here’s what “God” really thinks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKuGcmW70I
Keep up the good fight!
August 23rd, 2010
5:04 pm
In his seminal Letter on Toleration (1689), John Locke insisted that Muslims and all others who believed in God be tolerated in England. Campaigning for religious freedom in Virginia, Jefferson followed Locke, his idol, in demanding recognition of the religious rights of the “Mahamdan,” the Jew and the “pagan.” Supporting Jefferson was his old ally, Richard Henry Lee, who had made a motion in Congress on June 7, 1776, that the American colonies declare independence. “True freedom,” Lee asserted, “embraces the Mahomitan and the Gentoo (Hindu) as well as the Christian religion.”
In his autobiography, Jefferson recounted with satisfaction that in the struggle to pass his landmark Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom (1786), the Virginia legislature “rejected by a great majority” an effort to limit the bill’s scope “in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan.” George Washington suggested a way for Muslims to “obtain proper relief” from a proposed Virginia bill, laying taxes to support Christian worship. On another occasion, the first president declared that he would welcome “Mohometans” to Mount Vernon if they were “good workmen” (see page 96). Officials in Massachusetts were equally insistent that their influential Constitution of 1780 afforded “the most ample liberty of conscience … to Deists, Mahometans, Jews and Christians,” a point that Chief Justice Theophilus Parsons resoundingly affirmed in 1810.
I cited more Founding Fathers than you did….I win!
neo-Carlinist
August 23rd, 2010
5:05 pm
Saul, I am a paleo-neo. my neo-Carlinist handle was hijacked a few weeks back. so, if you’re keeping score, a neo-Carlinist favors the the “new” Carlin as evidenced by his crossover from Ed Sullivan Show/suit and tie middle America comedian, to the bearded, drug-addled, edgy counter-culture social critic. BUT, when some name-jacker started posting under my neo-Carlinist name (much like neo-cons have tried to “post” under the GOP name), I now refer to myself as a paleo-neo-Carlinist to confirm I am a discipile of the old, new George Carlin, not the “new” George Carlin (the hijacked Carlin). get it?
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
5:06 pm
josef nix
Well, I’ve been moderated twice for trying to let you know how the weather is.
Just go here
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093105/quotes
and scroll down a bit until you see “imitating Walter Cronkite.”
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
5:06 pm
Christianity is God’s attempt to reach out to man.
You INTENTIONALLY left me (woman) out of that one, didn’t you, Scout? Okay, I see where this is going. I know what time it is. I get it now. Scout, why do you hate women?
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
5:09 pm
jewcowboy
Aside from the petty partisanship and Yankee bias, the point is well made. Unmentionable and I were talking about this the other day and he made the point that the desecration of Indian sacred sites certainly doesn’t stop the TVA and such…
BOSCH, et al
No, no, no! Opiates are the religion of the masses…
neo-Carlinist
August 23rd, 2010
5:09 pm
3, 2, 1… Scout, do you mean Christianity is “man’s attempt at a reach around” (see: Ted Haggard, or any R.C. priest)?
jewcowboy
August 23rd, 2010
5:10 pm
Matti,
“Scout, why do you hate women?”
B/c secretly, he’d love to know what it feels like for a girl.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYwgG2oyUbA
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
5:10 pm
theyeshaveit:
“Holy Cow! Scout, said who?”
Jesus
“I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me.”
David Olds
August 23rd, 2010
5:10 pm
Ron is wrong. Islam is a very important topic for discussion in our country. Read the news in Europe for a few days. They are years ahead of us in the quest for multiculturism. Countries like to hold on to their cultures, their identities and Islam is fundamentally opposed to modern Western freedoms. Islam is aggressive and adept at playing our politically correct politicians, using our rights, freedoms and tolerance against us. If you think Islam is just another religion, talk to the dozens and dozens of men and women in hiding because they challenged its tenants as homophobic, misogynistic, intolerant of other religions, etc. Why do TV networks self censor. Why do universities censor their publications? And that is not worth discussing in America, “the land of the free”?!! Christian groups have been attacked by the same liberals defending Islam now. Christians don’t have religious police, like Saudi Arabia or approved haircuts, like Iran. Remember the gays attacks on Mormons last year? Not a whisper out of “bigot” out of the Liberals. Imagine an artist urinating on a Koran. They’ve done that and worse to bibles and the Liberals encouraged it. I dare any Liberal out there to call the local media and tear up a Koran on camera. You would quickly find out what kind of ideology Islam is. It wouldn’t even be newsworthy if it was a bible.
paleo-neo-Carlinist
August 23rd, 2010
5:11 pm
lo siento amigos, I just relized I did not amend my handle on Bookman’s blog (he was out last week). I am the one true paleo-neo-Carlinist.
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
5:11 pm
neo, so many old’s a new’s… but yeah I get it!
josef…i will check her out…thanks!
jewcowboy
August 23rd, 2010
5:12 pm
josef nix, neo-Carlinist,
“Opiates are the religion of the masses…”
“Scout, do you mean Christianity is “man’s attempt at a reach around” (see: Ted Haggard, or any R.C. priest)?”
hehe…on that funny note…I have to jet…have a great evening all.
theyeshaveit
August 23rd, 2010
5:12 pm
josef, Bosch,
I cannot tell you if it is the opiate of the masses, but sometimes, not sure ’cause I cannot remember, I think that I must have consumed mass quantities of opium and/or its derivatives.
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
5:14 pm
Some of you have unkowingly fulfulled this prophecy today – Matthew 7:6
Have to go for awhile. You guys try to be nice to other posters even though I know it’s hard for you liberals.
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
5:19 pm
good fight
Article 14 of Locke’s Carolina Charter…”equal rights of citizenship to Jews, Heathens and Dissenters…” First place in Western Civilization…
paleo-neo-Carlinist
August 23rd, 2010
5:19 pm
jewcowboy, I said “iron fist” not latex/rubber fist, to piggyback, Scout, “big difference” (disclaimer: I would imagine there is a big difference. I have no firsthand knowledge – I can be as kinky as the next b@stard, but that’s not my thing… not that there is anything wrong with it…). for those keeping score: I told a homoerotic (or homophobic, depeneding on your view) joke, and while shamelessly appropriating the observational comedy routine of a Jew, as it related to political correct speech and America’s “outraged/offended” industry.
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
5:25 pm
David
Yep, them Europeans are w-a-a-y ahead of us…we’re just TALKING about stripping our unwanted minorities of their citizenship and deporting them to G-d knows where…they’re actually DOING it…
PAUL
Heh, heh…
SAUL
I’ll have to go looking for it, but there’s a really good paper out there on her…she’s just now being “discovered” by feminist historians…
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
5:26 pm
A greek orthodox church was destroyed on 9/11.
The church wants to rebuild. as a gesture of good
faith by christians should they be asked to refrain
from building if the muslims abandon the mosque.
AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
5:28 pm
In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.
They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice.
The claim that we are in the Middle East to protect our liberties is misleading. To continue this charade, millions of Muslims are indicted and we are obligated to rescue them from their religious and political leaders. And we’re supposed to believe that abusing our liberties here at home and pursuing unconstitutional wars overseas will solve our problems.
Well said, Dr. Paul.
Too bad you are such a lone wolf in a political party filled with chickenhawks and bigots…
Morgana
August 23rd, 2010
5:30 pm
@ Paul- you are so incredibly dense,while believing you’re all-knowing and intellectual you are boring me to death.Rarely ever have I read such annoyingly inaccurate remarks, baring all rationale, sensitivity to others or ,even, just knowledge about history and relations.No wait- I have. I had pushed it out of my mind and memory because trying to call it up triggers a snooze reflex.
I don’t think it’s even an issue whether it is or isn’t appropriate,legal or whatever- fact is, a lot of people are unhappy about it, so put it somewhere else. A mosque that is supposed to signify peace and unity should not be built where it causes so much grief and controversy. For peace’s sake. Simple as that. For no other reason than that. Otherwise, it’s a ver non-peaceful undertaking and defies the purpose. I don’t understand why this is even an issue, why there is insistance on that particular location. This would be the perfect opportunity to show that Islam is peaceful,wants to peacefully coexist with others and respects this country. It can even be said out loudly ” we respect the majority’s feelings and for peace’s sake we will place our mosque of goodwill elsewhere”. THAT would cause a positive stir.
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
5:32 pm
SAUL
Found it!
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lofirsgIinQJ:www.sip.armstrong.edu/warlick/minis.rtf+abigail+minis+%2B+julie+oliver&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
paleo-neo-Carlinist
August 23rd, 2010
5:34 pm
Read the news in Europe for a few days. – Why?
They are years ahead of us in the quest for multiculturism. Countries like to hold on to their cultures, their identities and Islam is fundamentally opposed to modern Western freedoms. – I know it is hard for xenophobes to accept this, but the United States is a “multicultural” nation. It wasn’t until the last couple of years that the word shifted from “blessing”… as in “of liberty” to “curse”.
Islam is aggressive and adept at playing our politically correct politicians, using our rights, freedoms and tolerance against us. – see above. either our “rights, freedoms and tolerance” are to America’s benefit (what makes America great), or they are not. no “excpetions” for our national relationship with Islam; sorry.
If you think Islam is just another religion, talk to the dozens and dozens of men and women in hiding because they challenged its tenants as homophobic, misogynistic, intolerant of other religions, etc. Why do TV networks self censor. Why do universities censor their publications? And that is not worth discussing in America, “the land of the free”?!! -networks, universities and publications are businesses (even public universities are businesses).
Christian groups have been attacked by the same liberals defending Islam now. Christians don’t have religious police, like Saudi Arabia or approved haircuts, like Iran. Remember the gays attacks on Mormons last year? Not a whisper out of “bigot” out of the Liberals. Imagine an artist urinating on a Koran – have you seen Caddyshack; “Danny, are we in Russia?” OH, and I seem to recall some desecration of the Koran stuff coming our of Gitmo (not that there is anything wrong with it).
They’ve done that and worse to bibles and the Liberals encouraged it. – NO Skippy, fundamentalist Muslims “encourage” these things.
I dare any Liberal out there to call the local media and tear up a Koran on camera. You would quickly find out what kind of ideology Islam is. It wouldn’t even be newsworthy if it was a bible. – I have a better idea, why don’t you hide under the bed until will invade Iran.
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
5:35 pm
Oh… my…. gosh
Morgana, aka “hnf”… my own personal stalker, has followed me from Ms. Tucker’s…..
I guess a day without attention was too much to bear -
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
5:36 pm
PAUL
viz. Morgana…good work there, EOI in chief!
janet
August 23rd, 2010
5:36 pm
Someone told me that they thought the mosque was an “ok” idea but that it should be moved away -farther away. I suggested maybe Philadelphia- next to the Liberty Bell.
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
5:37 pm
Morgana
Sorry.
Not you.
But your first paragraph did sound an awful lot like…. well, trust me. You don’t want to know about him.
Keep up the good fight!
August 23rd, 2010
5:38 pm
neo — ..try to tear up a bible and see what death threats you get. Provide lawful abortions and you may get killed. How many doctors hide here in the US from advertising lawful abortion services because of their fear of these Christians. If you think Christianity is just another religion….
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
5:38 pm
josef nix
and don’t forget, “Blog Destroyer.”
I worked hard for that moniker!
Jefferson
August 23rd, 2010
5:38 pm
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
4:38 pm
A Red Sea Pedestrian! I like that!
Palastinian Irishman is what I have heard.
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
5:40 pm
I ask again, as every time we go off on this, how many of y’all attacking Islam and Muslims, how many do you actually know…I mean share a cup of coffee with, look at the pictures of the new baby. chat over the backyard fence about the impending visit of the mother-in-law from hell?
Dusty
August 23rd, 2010
5:40 pm
Now it is RELIGION and how to make fun of it…yuk yuk ho ho.
OH well, maybe Bosch can translate his posts for me. I believe he said that strict constructionist gopes are doofuses…In the meantime we have a paleo-neo-carlinist on board. Did they open the zoo gates today? And TVA covered Indian relics and Indians refused aid to Pakistan and Hamas is expecting another aid ship to Palestine. Where oh where is Cynthia McKinney and the photographers ?
Just trying to keep the train of thought going here. How’s the weather in your part of paradise?
Yep, Bookman is back.
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
5:41 pm
“a lot of people are unhappy about it, so put it somewhere else.”
If a lot of us here say we are unhappy with you being here…will you go somewhere else?
southernbutnotstupid
August 23rd, 2010
5:43 pm
Actually, it’s nobody’s business where they put the mosque if the local government approves it – if this is supposed to be about sacred ground (along with the t_ttie bars in the same neighborhood as Ground 0, for God’s sake!), why are people protesting mosques being built in Tennessee and Minnesota? Besides, haven’t conservatives been b_tchin’ for the last decade about too much political correctness and people being too sensitive? Then why should those Muslims in NY give a damn about what you or I think? So much for Christians claiming Christianity is under attack – seems to be the other way around–
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
5:45 pm
Terrence
August 23rd, 2010
5:03 pm
Didn’t Rachel Maddow imply that Rand Paul was racist for his opinion regarding private business and racial discrimination–the Civil Rights Act?
No, she didn’t. It was clear from the interview that Paul thought the rights of business owners to discriminate solely on racial terms superceded the rights of people to participate in the economy regardless of their race. He basically likened segregated lunch counters, etc to hate speech, objectionable but protected. I disagree and feel he took the wrong side with this conflict of rights but at no time did Rachel Maddow infer he was a racist.
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
5:47 pm
““He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy;”
Scout–Once again, I feel obligated to refer you back to the Bible. The OT clearly permits polygamy, or more accurately polygyny, the practice of a man marrying more than one wife (e.g. King David had six wives, while King Solomon had 700 wives). Polyandry, the practice of a woman marrying more than one husband, apparently wasn’t permitted.
And while the NT doesn’t go into explicit detail regarding polygyny, there are several passages which appear to permit the practice, primarily Matthew 22:24-28, in which the practice of a widowed woman marrying the brother of her deceased husband, whether he is already married or not, is discussed.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ntpoly.htm
The bottom line is that you believe your chosen religion is inherently superior to Islam. While you may construct a good argument that the adherents of Christianity create far less conflict in the world than Muslims do, it’s not because the Bible is fundamentally more accurate, or a better guide to life than the Q’ran. It all comes down to cultural and socio-economic differences between the two groups, IMO.
Dusty
August 23rd, 2010
5:47 pm
Paul,
I missed out on your daring shut down of said blog. What and how did you do it? Can you shut this one down? Please???
Jefferson
August 23rd, 2010
5:48 pm
Just because you are paranoid, does not mean the world is not out to get you…
larry
August 23rd, 2010
5:50 pm
” Losing my religion”……………………………
oy , enough already !!
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
5:56 pm
Leg Lamp made that Maher/heroes comment at 11:23 and corrected it at 11:28 with no prompting.
I checked and RW is correct. I was mistaken about the “no prompting” bit.
My apologies to Leg Lamp. Calling that a “lie” was, clearly, out of line.
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
6:00 pm
Hey DF–I didn’t know if you caught my earlier link to a Stephen Colbert interview with mathematician Art Benjamin, who teaches at my alma mater, Harvey Mudd College:
http://www.math.hmc.edu/~benjamin/mathemagics/video-colbert.html#colbert
If you have a few minutes, it’s totally hilarious. Back in 2008, I visited HMC, and Art was kind enough to chat with me for an hour or so. He even offered to play a game of backgammon with me, but I declined, in recognition of his success as a backgammon player. A real classy guy.
Morgana
August 23rd, 2010
6:00 pm
Paul – sorry, not who you apparently think I am. I dont’know anyone named “Ms Tucker”,I’m most certainly not your “personal stalker”, don’t hide behind stupid initials like “HNF” or anyONE or anyTHING.
Face it- not everybody feels that what you say or write is fabulous.
Even if it’s obviously very hard for you to do – don’t flatter yourself.
August 23rd, 2010
5:35 pm
Oh… my…. gosh
Morgana, aka “hnf”… my own personal stalker, has followed me from Ms. Tucker’s…..
I guess a day without attention was too much to bear -
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
6:00 pm
SFD
Hat’s off to you on that 5:56! BTW thanks for the comment on Kyle’s yesterday…much appreciated…
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
6:01 pm
Yes and funny does it sound to call somebody Leg Lamp?
left wing
August 23rd, 2010
6:02 pm
Someone needs to explain why Ronald Reagan hated America.
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2010/08/somebody-needs-to-ask-sean-hannity.html
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
6:02 pm
“I guess a day without attention was too much to bear”
No, no…that should be “too much to BARE!”
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
6:03 pm
HOW funny….geez
(IHB)
Morgana
August 23rd, 2010
6:10 pm
Paul & Josef Nix -
sad, that a forum where opinions can be shared, even if from opposing views, is abused by you for child play.
No need to reply, beam me up Scottie.
best regards, all.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
6:12 pm
Did the Kissing Bandit just run through?
josef nix
August 23rd, 2010
6:14 pm
morgana
Don’t ever take yourself (or others) too seriously…and abused for child’s play? To wit…?