Aug. 23, 2010: Just another day in Disinformationland
Pop culture critic Neal Gabler, writing in Politico, notes that more and more Americans — including 31 percent of Republicans — believe incorrectly that President Obama is Muslim. The finding offers still more evidence that we live today in what Gabler rather clunkily — but accurately — labels “Disinformationland.”
“With more of us attending college, we might even be smarter. But higher education rates and easier access to information have been undermined by what amounts to a vast and insidious revolutionary force – a kind of anti-Enlightenment in which facts yield to rumor, reason to uninformed opinion and objectivity to proudly declared subjectivity. We swim in a limitless sea of misinformation, even disinformation, without much inclination to separate truth from fiction…. The idea that there is such a thing as verifiable truth – like Obama being a Christian – is increasingly seen as elitist. It’s as if truth were yet another scheme by the powerful to impose their will on everyone else.”
I can remember a time when American conservatives argued vehemently that there could only be one truth, THE truth. It was a foundation stone in the conservative philosophy. The counter notion that truth was instead a relative concept, that one person’s concept of truth could be as valid as the next person’s, was dismissed as soft-headed liberalism. Sadly, that is now ancient history.
In too many quarters, truth today is personal, a set of “facts” that allow a person to keep believing whatever he or she prefers to believe. And if we each inhabit our own alternate reality, there is in fact no reality, only fantasy. I’m not sure that democracy as we have known it can survive that transition.
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Normal
August 23rd, 2010
7:30 am
I still say I would rather the President be an agnostic…
Finn McCool
August 23rd, 2010
7:30 am
It’s not a personal alternate reality that the conservatives are living in; it’s a Fox News, Glenn Beck, Shawn Hannity alternate reality.
What a cult.
Normal
August 23rd, 2010
7:31 am
WHOA! First on JAY’S FIRST DAY BACK!!!
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
7:43 am
(golf clap for Normal for firsties!)
“In too many quarters, truth today is personal, a set of “facts” that allow a person to keep believing whatever he or she prefers to believe”
it’s the echo chamber, Jay … people watch the news that echos their belief (hellooooooo FOX!), then seek out the blogs that echo their belief (helllooooooo Red State / Atlas Shrugged / LGF), so that they can justify their belief …
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
7:44 am
“higher education rates and easier access to information ”
Higher education without learning critical thinking.
Easier access to information to support our biases.
Unwillingness to change one’s opinion so as to not appear weak or be subject to ridicule.
An attitude of ‘defend my side and condemn the other side’ no matter what the facts show.
I agree, it’s a transition in need of a course correction.
Rush Limbaugh is a big fat liar
August 23rd, 2010
7:49 am
What more can one expect from Infotainment. The one who yells the loudest is always right Jay.
There is a good piece in the NYT that clearly tells about the whole silly “mosque” thing. Did you know that the same terrorists that are funding the non-mosque are supporting Rupert Murdock’s disinformation conglomerate to a tune of 3 billion a year? Look for it on the most emailed/viewed link.
It is the old “look over there” tactic they use when trying to bamboozle the stupid public, ie extending tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. If everyone is incensed about the non mosque they might not notice that the rich are getting their wishes while the middle class is screwed again.
jt
August 23rd, 2010
7:51 am
Here’s some truth. Cut and dry.
The corrupt federal government is choking our culture and stealing your wealth.
And porno-scanning your children at airports.
Karl Rove
August 23rd, 2010
7:51 am
But surely you must admit that if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
For example: Ronald Reagan single-handedly brought down the Soviet Union;
or Cutting Taxes always increases government revenue;
or All liberals hate America;
or Democratic deficits are bad, bur GOP deficits are good.
See how easy that is?
AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
7:56 am
I can remember a time when American conservatives argued vehemently that there could only be one truth, THE truth.
Yet another arrow in the side of this supposed conservatism. As practiced by the vast majority of today’s Republicans, it is anything but. In fact, many times it is the very antithesis of American conservatism. Perhaps the horribly botched invasion of Iraq is the perfect metaphor.
All hat and no cattle.
“I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his own opinion, however different from mine. He who denies another this right makes a slave of himself to this present opinion because he precludes himself the right of changing it.” ~Thomas Paine 1783
Good morning Paul, aka Blog Destroyer. Remind me to stay in your good graces…
Finn McCool
August 23rd, 2010
7:58 am
The corrupt federal government is choking our culture and stealing your wealth.
umm, the federal government didn’t walk out with 60% of my 401(k), that would be hedge fund managers and unscrupulous mortgage bankers.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
7:58 am
Karl – you forgot – Al Gore said he invented the internet and the CRA destroyed the economy
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
7:59 am
Good Morning, AmVet!
Did you know, if a Reaper (Predator follow-on) is cruising at 30,000 feet, you can’t even see it?
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:00 am
“corrupt federal government is choking our culture ”
what does that MEAN???
ballerinas and playwrites are being garrotted in the street?
Bob
August 23rd, 2010
8:00 am
Karl, I agree, dems blame reagan for debt but dems passed their own budgets when he was in office, but they repeat it enough that most on this thread believe it. As far as Obo being muslim, he gave the doubters plenty of ammo. When he said we were not a christian nation but really a muslim nation, some took offense. Many don’t understand that he was just kissing muslim rearend when he made that statement.
Obo should just show some clips of him sitting in the pews of rev wrights church and listen to the inclusive christian sermons he loved so.
Finn McCool
August 23rd, 2010
8:00 am
Karl – you forgot – Al Gore said he invented the internet and the CRA destroyed the economy
along with poor people and homeless people getting mortgage loans they couldn’t repay. Hehe
Finn McCool
August 23rd, 2010
8:02 am
When he said we were not a christian nation but really a muslim nation
BINGO!
Bob
August 23rd, 2010
8:04 am
speaking of disinformed, did anyone catch the interview where Barney Frank says putting people in homes that they cannot afford was wrong and he would like to see Fannie and Freddie shut down within a year ? Whats he smokin, we only need to dump a few hundred billion more into these GSE’s and then everything will be fine.
AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
8:05 am
Too many italics, in my above post. I trust you can decipher.
One off topic story this morning.
Yesterday for the first time in seven plus years I went golfing. A nice track up in Canton. And even though it was blistering hot I was stoked just ob back playing again, especially with what happened on number five – a 136-yard par 3. I hit a perfect nine iron that came down three feet directly left of the pin and then stated tracking right for it! It came to rest two inches of being an ace. Only by the length of one of those little golf pencils did I miss getting my name on a plaque and being the come back kid of the year!
Good times and now I’m motivated to get back out there some more. AFTER it cools down some…
Jay
August 23rd, 2010
8:05 am
Bob, the total budget that Congress passed each year under Reagan contained almost exactly the amount of money that Reagan had requested from Congress as president. That is historical, documentable fact, as uneasy as it may make you.
You also write:
“As far as Obo being muslim, he gave the doubters plenty of ammo. When he said we were not a christian nation but really a muslim nation, some took offense.”
When did Obama say that? Quote please. Otherwise, some might conclude that you too were making up facts to justify your beliefs.
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
8:06 am
Jay
That all too often happens on both sides of the political spectrum. What else would you expect from a country that has the attention span of a gnat’s @ss? It’s the result of living in an ADHD, instant gratification, soundbite fueled pseudo-news society.
Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge – Horace Mann
Normal
August 23rd, 2010
8:07 am
I don’t know if this will work, but if it does, Scroll down to Kabuki Democracy…very interestung…
http://www.thenation.com/sites/default/files/nation20100830.pdf
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:09 am
Finn – 8:02 … it’s too early in the week for me to start banging my head on my keyboard …
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:10 am
How could people possibly think Obama’s a moozlum? Hmm, let’s look back at this NYT article from 2007:
“I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, http://www.nytimes.com/ontheground). He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.
Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”
Moreover, Mr. Obama’s own grandfather in Kenya was a Muslim. Mr. Obama never met his grandfather and says he isn’t sure if his grandfather’s two wives were simultaneous or consecutive, or even if he was Sunni or Shiite. (O.K., maybe Mr. Obama should just give up on Alabama.)
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
8:11 am
UnU
You forget, they feel the need to make up for the two weeks of not being able to post stuff like that. Get ready for the onslaught, and pad your keyboard, desk, or for that matter, the entire room.
Finn McCool
August 23rd, 2010
8:11 am
Barney Frank says putting people in homes that they cannot afford was wrong and he would like to see Fannie and Freddie shut down within a year ?
It takes a backbone to admit you might have been wrong – that’s what truly scares the conservatives. The right disagreed with Frank when he was supporting Fannie and Freddie but now they take offense when he says he was wrong.
Jay
August 23rd, 2010
8:12 am
SoCo, I’d disagree with you about the cause. I don’t think it’s an attention-span problem, I think it’s a willful decision by people to actively seek out only those things that confirm their belief system. Yes, technology has contributed by making it easier to create your own version of reality, but the initial instinct to do that comes from the individual.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:12 am
Try this.
“Whatever we once were, we’re no longer a Christian nation. At least not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, and a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers,” Obama said during a June 2007 speech available on YouTube.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:14 am
Let’s do a fact check. Let’s see how many fewer posters Cynthia gets now that Jay is back. Her numbers will drop faster than Obama’s.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 23rd, 2010
8:14 am
Aahhh, the lib has come back from his rest all muddled and confused-
… he continues to openly praise Islam; he bows to Muslim leaders; he claims that the Muslim call to prayer is “the most beautiful sound in the world;” he regularly quotes from the Koran and cites it for directing his life; …
In the past year alone he made a big deal out of hosting a celebratory dinner to open the month of Ramadan — held in the state dining room; he refused to attend the 100th anniversary of the Boy Scouts (an avowed Christian organization), and, refused to attend the National Day of Prayer because he claimed to do so would be offensive to non-Christians.
Now, if one were to reasonably deduce the faith of another, also considering that the another “didn’t pay attention” in church for twenty years and hasn’t gone to a service since being elected, what in the hell is kookman talking about?????
Jay
August 23rd, 2010
8:15 am
Leg Lamp, surely you’d agree that the quote you cited is quite different from the quote as paraphrased by Bob.
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
8:16 am
there could only be one truth, THE truth. It was a foundation stone in the conservative philosophy. The counter notion that truth was instead a relative concept, that one person’s concept of truth could be as valid as the next person’s, was dismissed as soft-headed liberalism.
Yep. Moral relativism. The root of all rot, the catch-all excuse for grotesque belief in political dogma and adherence to the articles of faith.
Union
August 23rd, 2010
8:17 am
its not so much disinformation as it is his actions. as much as obama has been an utter and complete failure.. people will never admit it.
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
8:17 am
“Whatever we once were, we’re no longer a Christian nation. At least not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, and a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers,”
What kind of a douchebag has a problem with that?
Finn McCool
August 23rd, 2010
8:17 am
More on the point that conservatives fear a politician or a leader with a backbone:
– Ronald Reagan blaming big government as the problem and then raising taxes.
– George Bush 1 saying “read my lips, no new taxes”, and then raising taxes. (But they derided Dukakis for saying he would have to raise taxes.)
– Republican Congress 1994-2006 claiming to be the fiscal conservative party while expanding government the whole time.
Conservatives can’t handle the truth!
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:17 am
Normal – for you … something to brighten your no-good-very-bad-Monday
http://www.wimp.com/babymoose
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:18 am
dB – evidently, his name is Bob …
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
8:19 am
About Bob’s post @ 8.00:
1) Reagan’s submitted budgets ran in the red.
2) The only “ammo” President Obama gave the racist PsOS who call him “muslim” was his apparently poor choice of parents
3) President Obama never said anything even remotely like “we’re not a Christian nation, but a Muslim one,” and to claim he did is to deliberately lie about the point he was making
4) One can be about 98% confident that anyone who continues to go to the “Rev. Wright” well knows nothing about the actual Rev. Wright, his “GD America” sermon, or the denomination to which Trinity United Church of Christ is a part.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:19 am
Good thing the left doesn’t have “extremists”, right?
Brad Pitt ‘willing to look at the death penalty’ against BP culprits…
If The Profit Fits
August 23rd, 2010
8:19 am
Just another day in disinformationland. Yep, I guess it is since Jay has new blog.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:19 am
Playing the game, playing the game……
Louisiana fishermen net more cash working for BP…
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
8:19 am
Jay
I think it is the attention span. Pay attention just long enough to hear something to confirm your beliefs, and then just shut everything else out. Not too many people take the time out to research things for themselves anymore. Part of the problem that led to that is the homogenization (if that’s a word) and distortion of news information.
For some, it may be a willful decision, but for many, I think it’s just laziness. That laziness is what the politicans feed on and fuel it with their soundbites. The media, both left and right, have sensationalized those soundbites for ratings which, in turn, led to the disappearing attention span. You could say it’s the dumbing down of America.
larry
August 23rd, 2010
8:20 am
Meanwhille , back in Iraq…………………
Nothing says democracy like good ole fashion porn………
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/in-porn-a-story-597305.html
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:20 am
SoCo – 8:11 … see my post to Normal at 8:17 … I get the feeling I’ll be referring back to that video as a means of therapy over the course of the week if this kind of “truth” continues …
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:21 am
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
8:17 am
Very classy. You leftists always do seem to be above the name calling games.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:22 am
I really don’t think I need to add anything to this one. It’s self explanatory.
Justice Department Seeks Ebonics Experts…
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
8:23 am
Conservatives can’t handle the truth!
I wouldn’t go that far. I just think, as currently configured, respectable conservatives have an astonishing tolerance for lies, and say nothing about those in their midst who routinely tell them.
Normal
August 23rd, 2010
8:23 am
Thanks, USinUK,
That put a smile on my face…
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:23 am
More “disinformation”, right?
Forget Bush. Obama now blames poor job situation on Congress…
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
8:23 am
Very classy.
You mean like posting under that screen name at Cynthia Tucker’s?
Union
August 23rd, 2010
8:24 am
if obama had not of said he was muslim… this would not be an issue..its not my fault obama doesnt know who he is..
Finn McCool
August 23rd, 2010
8:25 am
Leg lamp is trying desperately to change the subject! Wonder why?
hehehe
Jimmy62
August 23rd, 2010
8:25 am
The alternative is that he really did spend 20 years listening to sermons preaching hatred of the white man. Are you telling me you think he spent 20 years listening to Jeremiah Wright hating whitey, and you don’t think it rubbed off on him?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:26 am
Hopefully not.
Does Barack Obama want to be re-elected in 2012?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/7958031/Does-Barack-Obama-want-to-be-re-elected-in-2012.html
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:27 am
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
8:23 am
Did I call her a douchebag?
Union
August 23rd, 2010
8:27 am
ahh.. credit card reform kicked in on sunday.. no more nasty penalties from cc companies.. well.. except for the issue that interest rates are higher than they have been in 9 years and headed up… gee.. didnt see that one coming..
Finn McCool
August 23rd, 2010
8:27 am
So jimmy, Rev Wright preached against whitey for 20 years? That would be 1,040 sermons just on the evil of the white man?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:29 am
Finn McCool
August 23rd, 2010
8:25 am
I’m not “desperately to change the subject!” Instead, I’m just providing more illustrations of life in disinformationland.
Finn McCool
August 23rd, 2010
8:29 am
Union, your mama should of taught you not to carry a balance on your credit card. If you play, you gotta pay.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:29 am
leg lamp … um … what’s your problem with your 8:22?
the rest of the article says: In addition to the nine Ebonics experts, the DEA’s Atlanta office also requires linguists for eight other languages, including Spanish (144 linguists needed); Vietnamese (12); Korean (9); Farsi (9); and Jamaican patois (4). The Atlanta field division, one of the DEA’s busiest, is the only office seeking linguists well-versed in Ebonics. Overall, the “majority of DEA’s language requirements will be for Spanish originating in Central and South America and the Caribbean,” according to one contract document.
if they can’t understand the phone calls they’re bugging, then they’re rather useless, doncha think?
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
8:30 am
Frank Rich summed it up perfectly the other day in his column (about the “misinformation machine” grinding away constantly on the right)… it all comes down to non issues they can use to create fear, and then rile up their base. I 100% that the very reason WHY they consistently bring up these non-issues and turn them into something HUGE (again with added “fear” sprinkled on top of their misinformation) is because when it comes down to the IMPORTANT issues like the economy and creating jobs…they have NO POSITIONS. They can stomp about “tax cuts” and tax breaks all they want…but those Bush tax cuts are STILL active… so what do they want to do? Cut them even more and add MORE to the deficit? Nah…it would be too easy to rip apart when the REAL debates start. Debating about religion and stirring up even more fear and “hate” in their party for Muslims works better for the party of “nothing”… not a plan in sight…
From Frank’s column the other day:
“THE “ground zero mosque,” as you may well know by now, is not at ground zero. It’s not a mosque but an Islamic cultural center containing a prayer room. It’s not going to determine President Obama’s political future or the elections of 2010 or 2012. Still, the battle that has broken out over this project in Lower Manhattan — on the “hallowed ground” of a shuttered Burlington Coat Factory store one block from the New York Dolls Gentlemen’s Club — …”
OOPS…trying opening up one of THOSE across the street from your Church…
more…
“…We owe thanks to Justin Elliott of Salon for the single most revealing account of this controversy’s evolution. He reports that there was zero reaction to the “ground zero mosque” from the front-line right or anyone else except marginal bloggers when The Times first reported on the Park51 plans in a lengthy front-page article on Dec. 9, 2009. The sole exception came some two weeks later at Fox News, where Laura Ingraham, filling in on “The O’Reilly Factor,” interviewed Daisy Khan, the wife of the project’s organizer, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf. Ingraham gave the plans her blessing. “I can’t find many people who really have a problem with it,” she said. “I like what you’re trying to do.”
As well Ingraham might. Rauf is no terrorist. He has been repeatedly sent on speaking tours by the Bush and Obama State Departments alike to promote tolerance in Arab and Muslim nations. As Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic reported last week, Rauf gave a moving eulogy at a memorial service for Daniel Pearl, the Wall Street Journal reporter murdered by Islamist terrorists in Pakistan, at the Manhattan synagogue B’nai Jeshurun. Pearl’s father was in attendance. The Park51 board is chock-full of Christians and Jews. Perhaps the most threatening thing about this fledgling multi-use community center, an unabashed imitator of the venerable (and Jewish) 92nd Street Y uptown, is its potential to spawn yet another coveted, impossible-to-get-into Manhattan private preschool.
In the five months after The Times’s initial account there were no newspaper articles on the project at all. It was only in May of this year that the Rupert Murdoch axis of demagoguery revved up, jettisoning Ingraham’s benign take for a New York Post jihad. The paper’s inspiration was a rabidly anti-Islam blogger best known for claiming that Obama was Malcolm X’s illegitimate son. Soon the rest of the Murdoch empire and its political allies piled on, promoting the incendiary libel that the “radical Islamists” behind the “ground zero mosque” were tantamount either to neo-Nazis in Skokie (according to a Wall Street Journal columnist) or actual Nazis (per Newt Gingrich).
These patriots have never attacked the routine Muslim worship services at another site of the 9/11 attacks, the Pentagon. Their sudden concern for ground zero is suspect to those of us who actually live in New York. All but 12 Republicans in the House voted against health benefits for 9/11 responders just last month. Though many of these ground-zero watchdogs partied at the 2004 G.O.P. convention in New York exploiting 9/11, none of them protested that a fellow Republican, the former New York governor George Pataki, so bollixed up the management of the World Trade Center site that nine years on it still lacks any finished buildings, let alone a permanent memorial….”
You can read the rest here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/opinion/22rich.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=opinion
I’m sure those on the right won’t read it…but as usual..will still have MUCH to say about it.
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
8:30 am
I saved that to my favorites UnU…
Are you telling me you think he spent 20 years listening to Jeremiah Wright hating whitey, and you don’t think it rubbed off on him?
Are you telling me that you think Rev. Wright spent every Sunday for 20 years preaching the same sermon? If you make your determination of a preacher off of a few soundbites, why are there not many calling Jerry Falwell a crook. Wasn’t he the one who G*d was gonna strike down if he didn’t raise enough money one time?
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:30 am
“your mama should of taught you not to carry a balance on your credit card”
financial education – (or the lack of it) – that’s SADLY lacking in most US households.
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
8:30 am
Union
Source?
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
8:31 am
Are you telling me you think he spent 20 years listening to Jeremiah Wright hating whitey,
Rev. Wright never instructed his flock to “hate whitey.”
His “GD America” sermon, whose 15-second soundbite was re-played for weeks on end in the spring of 2008, covered ground about this nation’s culpability for misdeeds that has been covered by preachers on the left, right, and center for as long as there’s been a US of A.
(I do not agree with the sentiments expressed in the sermon, but only because I do not believe in the sort of vengeful, nasty God so popular with many monotheistic religious believers.)
Union
August 23rd, 2010
8:32 am
@finn.. i dont.. amex and a credit union visa for backup.. no annual fee.. (except on the amex) just pointing out.. everything the dems have touched lately has turned to coal.. what we need is a cc system where we can buy stuff and not have to pay for it.. have someone else pay for it… oops.. we already have that in federal employees.. lol
godless heathen
August 23rd, 2010
8:33 am
Most of these “__% of Americans believe” polls are pure bunk. Why do they think what they think? Do they go out and talk to the newsmakers, do their own research, find their own facts? No. They form their beliefs based on the information provided to them.
I love it when the MSM feeds a line to the people for 2 or 3 weeks and then conduct a poll to see how gullible the peeps were.
When the disinformation machines were limited to NBC, CBS, ABC and the AP it was a lot easier to control the message.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:33 am
btw, Jay … appropos to absolutely nothing whatsoever …
if you haven’t seen Crazy Heart, RUN, do not walk, to rent it.
seriously good.
Union
August 23rd, 2010
8:33 am
paul.. source for which? cc interest or obama?
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
8:33 am
dB
You know that… I know that… But it appears not everyone understands that. Thanks for posting your 8:31
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
8:34 am
Union
My 8:30 referred to “Obama said he was a Muslim.”
USinUK
“Ebonics experts, the DEA’s Atlanta office also requires linguists for eight other languages, (emphasis added) ”
DEA takes the position Ebonics is a language? Or was that a copywriter’s interpretation?
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
8:35 am
Did I call her a douchebag?
No, worse.
And you lie a lot, which is beyond not-classy, and beyond douchebaggery, and well into evil.
Later, kids. The truth is out there, even though our pansy-ass media are oftimes too skeered to go up against the powerful assignment editors Pamela Geller, Matt Drudge and Rush Limbaugh.
stephen
August 23rd, 2010
8:35 am
I read somewhere the term “Managed Ignorance”. Not as catchy as “Fair and Balanced” but hey, it seems to be working.
NowReally
August 23rd, 2010
8:36 am
I’m really glad you are back Jay, you were truly missed these last two weeks.
People believe our President is Muslim, because they only believe what they want to believe. It doesn’t matter that the truth proves otherwise. It’s like when I was a child and someone stated that it has to be TRUE because their mom or dad said SO; they couldn’t believe that their parents were just idiots.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:37 am
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
8:35 am
You say I lie? Moi? Please, do provide instances. You leftzis (yes, I guess I can do the name calling thing) seem good at distributing misinformation.
AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
8:38 am
Speaking of Cynthia’s blog.
If you want to see the right wing at it’s finest go there for awhile.
Yes, of course there are some reasoned and reasonable bloggers there, but overall the “conservative” venom is absolutely palpable. Every day, she gets numerous drive-bys with the most hateful garbage written. Most of it about her personally. Throw in the semi-deranged, childish regulars who also spend much of the day personally insulting anybody who dares disagree with them, and who have little command of the facts, and it is a veritable hatefest of ignorance. I’m absolutely convinced that if something we’re to happen to her, the James Earl Rays over there would party for a month. All in all, a disgusting gang.
Kyle’s is a bit different. Yes the filth that passes for right-winger thought is proudly on daily display there as well. But the entrenched are excessively protective. How many times did various cretins there tell us Bookman refugees to get the hell out? Fiercely bigoted and intolerant. And of course, puerile. Even Paul was flamed by one of the loons.
All headed by the serailly banned and new de facto King of Right Wing Sleaze – Grandly Forked. Talk about pathetic! Wow. In his present condition, he reminds me of the Gollum character in Tolkien. Twisted and repulsive, but strangely, it is sometimes hard to take your eyes off of him. And yes it is even possible to pity him.
In summary, it is so nice to have a blog NOT clogged up with such trash, such as the filthy right winger that caused Paul to use the Nuclear Option, and send us into the blogging wilderness.
In other words Jay, thanks…
Finn McCool
August 23rd, 2010
8:39 am
union wrote: everything the dems have touched lately has turned to coal.
So, raising credit card fees, an action that might get many to rethink the use of debt for non-essential spends, is a bad idea?
You aren’t a fiscally-conservative conservative?
Are you one of the conservatives who, over the past two years, has been harping on people who can’t afford credit like mortgages, etc, getting credit and then defaulting and supposedly that is what got us in this economic predicament?
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:40 am
Paul – from the same article:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/justice-department-seeks-ebonics-experts
In contract documents, which are excerpted here, Ebonics is listed among 114 languages for which prospective contractors must be able to provide linguists. The 114 languages are divided between “common languages” and “exotic languages.” Ebonics is listed as a “common language” spoken solely in the United States.
Ebonics has widely been described as a nonstandard variant of English spoken largely by African Americans. John R. Rickford, a Stanford University professor of linguistics, has described it as “Black English” and noted that “Ebonics pronunciation includes features like the omission of the final consonant in words like ‘past’ (pas’ ) and ‘hand’ (han’), the pronunciation of the th in ‘bath’ as t (bat) or f (baf), and the pronunciation of the vowel in words like ‘my’ and ‘ride’ as a long ah (mah, rahd).”
Detractors reject the notion that Ebonics is a dialect, instead considering it a bastardization of the English language.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:40 am
AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
8:38 am
You said “childish regulars who also spend much of the day personally insulting anybody who dares disagree with them”. Do you read “stands for decibels” posts very often?
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:42 am
Paul –
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/justice-department-seeks-ebonics-experts
In contract documents, which are excerpted here, Ebonics is listed among 114 languages for which prospective contractors must be able to provide linguists. The 114 languages are divided between “common languages” and “exotic languages.” Ebonics is listed as a “common language” spoken solely in the United States.
Ebonics has widely been described as a nonstandard variant of English spoken largely by African Americans. John R. Rickford, a Stanford University professor of linguistics, has described it as “Black English” and noted that “Ebonics pronunciation includes features like the omission of the final consonant in words like ‘past’ (pas’ ) and ‘hand’ (han’), the pronunciation of the th in ‘bath’ as t (bat) or f (baf), and the pronunciation of the vowel in words like ‘my’ and ‘ride’ as a long ah (mah, rahd).”
Detractors reject the notion that Ebonics is a dialect, instead considering it a b****dization of the English language.
larry
August 23rd, 2010
8:43 am
A neocon’s worst fear…………………………
A gay rights muslim ………………..
BOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:43 am
Finn McCool
August 23rd, 2010
8:39 am
I understand your point, but I have a different take. I do some volunteer counseling to people who are financially strapped. Many have cc’s that are maxed out and are just barely getting by with minimum payments. By driving minimum payments consideratly higher, many of these people can no longer satisfy the requirements and wind up in bankruptcy. It’s a no win situation no matter how you look at it, but the cc situation is out of control.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:44 am
larry
August 23rd, 2010
8:43 am
Nah. Sounds more like the next big politician in the Democrat party.
Gale
August 23rd, 2010
8:47 am
“…call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” I have heard that sentiment before. I suspect –since I have never experienced that sound– that it may rival the sound of church bells on a quiet Sunday morning; a sound I can mentally replay from my childhood. When the subject of Obama’s religion comes up, I wonder if religion might be a worse problem in this country than race.
Southern Comfort, I agree with you on the attention span issue. I wonder if one cause may be that many people do not read much today. In fact, I think many of our cultural problems might have that at the root. Reading and thinking go together. Sound bites and TV play to emotion, not necessarily logic. I will grant that not all reading feeds logic. But I do think it stretches our ability to see new possibilities.
I am very glad you are back, Jay. I hope you were inspired by the fishes.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:47 am
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:42 am
Gee, that makes it all better.
So if Ebonics is a “language” that is a nonstandard variant of English, then what is the name for the official language of Asians who have broken “engrish”, or the official language of Indians, or the official language of Hispanics, etc. etc.?
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
8:47 am
USinUK
Thanks for the background. I was struck by the use of the word “language” rather than something like “dialect.”
————————————————————————-
All this talk about angst over our Muslim President. I suppose now we’ll see a call for another amendment to our Constitution, to get rid of that pesky, un-American Article VI, which says “but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”
Donovan
August 23rd, 2010
8:49 am
First off, Democrats are typically liars and cheats. Is it any wonder that your community organizer has spent $1,000,000 to seal all personal records about him. While your boy was a senator he and the Saudi family actively engaged in the election process of the Muslim candidate of Kenya. That candidate later became the president of Kenya. Bowing to the Saudi king was not a coincidence. Obama’s father was Muslim and he listed his son’s religion as Islamic. Obama’s conversion to Christianity was merely window dressing. What official training did he partake in to make the conversion legitimate? Neither major hospital in Hawaii has a birth certificate on this man. This man has an Islamic name. If he walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck… Here’s some food for thought…unless you are a Democrat, what do you all think of his true religion and identity?
ty webb
August 23rd, 2010
8:49 am
a muslim’s worst fear?…gay rights.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:50 am
ty webb
August 23rd, 2010
8:49 am
Or maybe a female Imam?
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
8:51 am
one other thing:
You know that… I know that… But it appears not everyone understands that.
Well, probably. And yet…
I used to think that most Americans chose to believe the mainstream media narrative about “The Scary Buck Negro Preacher In The Dashiki Who Screams God D@mn America” out of pure ignorance.
But the more time I’ve had to digest it (particularly very recently, when I had to address this over at Cynthia’s place last week), I come to the inescapable conclusion that many likely agree with the distilled “GD America” soundbite, and mostly they just hate Wright for having the audacity to say what’s in their own hearts.
They may think that God should condemn America, if for different reasons–maybe it’s for “socialism” (i.e., having a pathetically ineptly-constructed safety net for the least among us), maybe it’s for The Gay, and maybe it’s for allowing scary Muslims (and Hindu, Buddhist, what-have-you) something approaching the freedom promised in the First Amendment.
I don’t want to believe that, but sometimes I do. And then I remember it’s really, really stupid to waste a lot of time impugning other people’s motives, and try to move on.
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
8:53 am
Donovan… how much did you contribute to Orly’s $20K fine fund?
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
8:54 am
All of this largely arises from right wing bloggers/pundits who operate on the premise that “the end justifies the means”. This morally bankrupt principle allows people to justify distortion and outright lies and completely abandons the principle that the truth is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
8:55 am
You said “childish regulars who also spend much of the day personally insulting anybody who dares disagree with them”. Do you read “stands for decibels” posts very often?
Mystery meat, all the time.
And are you kidding me? Really, this is your only observation about that entire post?
The fact that you would even try to compare anything from stands vs. the massive amounts of “conservative” slime posted on those two forums, says a great deal about you and your lack of understanding the difference between general indictments vs. unprovoked, hateful, personal insults.
Jeezoo, this is pretty basic stuff…
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:55 am
Don’t forget
August 23rd, 2010
8:54 am
Thank you, Charlie Rangel.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:55 am
larry –
“A neocon’s worst fear…………………………
A WOMAN gay rights muslim”
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
8:56 am
Oh Blog God geez —
Welcome back Jay, I hope your vacation left you rested. Goes back to what I’ve always thought, the 24/7 news cycle is one of the worst things that evah happened to our country. Sensationalism sells, and the facts are purposefully overlooked (I think) to keep the story alive so these “news” organizations can have scream fests over who is right and analyze the excrement (happy now?) out of everything when its not necessary.
So, with that….happy Monday.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:57 am
AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
8:55 am
So you’re saying calling someone a “douchebag” is just a general indictment rather than unprovoked, hateful, personal insults.
Bartender, I’ll have what he’s drinking!
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:57 am
Leg Lamp – 8:47 – nope. you still haven’t said what your problem is with their search for people who can “decode”. answer the question before throwing up yt another smokescreen.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:58 am
Bosch – 8:56 – scroll up to my 8:17 to Normal … it’ll bring a smile to your WEEK
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
8:58 am
And Jay, I would personally like to thank you for keeping this bloggin spot a relatively speaking good place to blog. At Wingfield’s the Grand Name changer is a major buzz kill and my hand is aching from scrolling past his posts, and at Tucker’s — apparently she doesn’t mind namejackers and the bigots hiding behind their justifications of well, bigotry is astounding.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
8:59 am
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:57 am
Your last sentence must have been written in ebonics.
ty webb
August 23rd, 2010
9:00 am
Amvet’s synopsis, “my intolerance is better than your intolerance”, rah rah!
jt
August 23rd, 2010
9:02 am
.They’re gonna steal your homes too. Next time you see a suspicious looking Asian or Arab taking pictures in your neighborhood, don’t worry. Its just an appraissor. China and Saudi or laughing at Geithners IOUs.——————
“This time, Gross, a mega-holder of US-backed mortgage debt, declared the private sector dead in terms of the secondary mortgage market. At a recent housing summit, he was quoted saying this in Bloomberg Business Week:
“To suggest that there’s a large place for private financing in the future of housing finance is unrealistic,” Gross said today at a U.S. Treasury Department conference in Washington. “Government is part of our future. We need a government balance sheet. To suggest that the private market come back in is simply impractical. It won’t work.””
Mr Right
August 23rd, 2010
9:02 am
Finn McCool
August 23rd, 2010
7:30 am
It’s not a personal alternate reality that the conservatives are living in; it’s a Fox News, Glenn Beck, Shawn Hannity alternate reality.
What a cult.
When did Glen or Shawn say Obama was a Muslim ? So who is living in an alternate reality ? So I guess that makes you a cult also!!
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
9:02 am
leg lamp – yes, “yet” vs. “yt” … I’m so flippin’ cryptic, I should join the cia.
dodge-dodge-dodge … smokescreen-smokescreen-smokescreen
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
9:03 am
ty webb
Intolerance of intolerance strikes me as quite a bit different than intolerance of “anyone different than me.”
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
9:03 am
Gale
I think that is a part of it. Another part is information overload. There’s so much access to so many different viewpoints, it makes it kinda hard to discern the truth from the rambling idiots.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
9:04 am
USinUK,
Well, that was just plain sweet and cheerful. It would be fun to make up commentary to go along with it. Thanks!!!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
9:04 am
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
9:02 am
If it wasn’t ebonics, then what “official” language were you using?
dodge-dodge-dodge…..smokescreen-smokescreen-smokescreen
Mr Right
August 23rd, 2010
9:06 am
Don’t forget
August 23rd, 2010
8:54 am
All of this largely arises from left wing bloggers/pundits who operate on the premise that “the end justifies the means”. This morally bankrupt principle allows people to justify distortion and outright lies and completely abandons the principle that the truth is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Now that is the left all the way!!
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
9:06 am
SoCo,
“it makes it kinda hard to discern the truth from the rambling idiots.”
But at least us regulars here in Bookman’s Blog world get LOTS of practice with that.
ty webb
August 23rd, 2010
9:07 am
Paul,
intolerance of someone’s intolerance towards intolerance seems okay to me. Wait… I think I just blew my own mind.
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
9:07 am
Bosch
Sometimes too much practice. I’m already suffering from overload, and it’s still Monday morning…
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
9:07 am
JB my condolences for having to leave where you left to
come back to where you came back to. Disinformation
is the stock in trade of government and is becoming a
business model for media. Fact is distorted and called
opinion. Opinion is presented as fact and substantiated
by quoting other opinion. News anchors interview reporters
rather than participants. Consumers seek their reality
by viewing vendors who agree with them. Many get
their news from the Comedy channel. Point a finger
get a dollar. All with the agenda of more revenue.
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
9:10 am
Finn – Mr. Right
First hit I got on Google in response to “glenn beck obama is muslim” was one that said Glenn Beck “…circulated to his subscribers a link to an article from 2004 when then State Senator Barack Obama visited with Chicago Sun Times columnist Cathleen Falsani over coffee in Chicago for the sole purpose of discussing his spirituality. ”
2004. Here’s the link. You wanted a smoking gun? This is it!
http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/obamas-interview-with-cathleen.html#ixzz0xMnidN2q
Kamchak
August 23rd, 2010
9:12 am
CNN was launched and the only people watching were sitting in the Varsity. Then Gulf War came along with all those peachy-keen neat-o bombs-with-cameras, and the news became an inter-active video game.
Don’t like the current narrative?
Reset.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
9:13 am
LegLamp – “If it wasn’t ebonics, then what “official” language were you using?”
I call it typonics. or typ-ish.
but, surprise-surprise, you’re STILL not answering the question: what exactly is your problem with the FBI looking for people who understand Ebonics, whether you consider it a language or a dialect.
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
9:13 am
Mr Right
August 23rd, 2010
9:06 am
Don’t change my posts. This is a perfect example of what I was talking about. You change a few of my words around without showing that you changed them. It’s totally dishonest.
John K
August 23rd, 2010
9:13 am
The right needs an enemy, and Muslims are today’s commies.
Mix with blowhards Hannity, Beck, Rush, etc. and there you go.
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
9:13 am
Ebonics? Ever been down tho the bayou? lol
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
9:14 am
ty – 9:07 – if you’re like me, you refuse to put up with intolerance.
#1 Foxy Lady
August 23rd, 2010
9:14 am
He amy be a Muslim. Bat at least, he’s not one of them bearded hat-wearing Muslims.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
9:16 am
Don’t forget – here, a lot of the kids like to use a Jamaican accent to show how “street” they are – they call it “Ja-Fake-an” (think Ali G)
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
9:17 am
USinUK ….you are intolerant of intolerance?
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
9:17 am
“The right needs an enemy, and Muslims are today’s commies.”
I actually agree with that totally. Those who claim to be all “personally responsible” sure do seem to need something to blame for all of what they perceive as “wrong.”
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
9:17 am
UPDATE
As I suspected, Cynthia Tucker’s article, which was posted ealier than Jay’s, has 39 comments. A HUGE drop from last weeks tally. Make her buy you lunch, Jay.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
9:19 am
#1 Foxy Lady
August 23rd, 2010
9:14 am
Ebonics at its finest.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
9:20 am
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
9:17 am
I don’t understand your post. Obama blames everyone else and he’s a moozlum, right?
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
9:21 am
Cynthia Tucker’s article, which was posted ealier than Jay’s, has 39 comments.
Why don’t you go over there and punch up her post count? You don’t seem to have a problem with elevating Jay’s. It’s funny how you were dogging all of Jay’s regulars last week. Then, when Jay returns, you follow them here. Looks like someone needs a little attention.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
9:22 am
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
9:21 am
“Looks like someone needs a little attention.”
And you just got it.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
9:24 am
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
9:21 am
Oh yeah. And the word of the day seems to be “intolerance”. I think that’s what your post reflects.
joe
August 23rd, 2010
9:25 am
I believe BO when he says he’s a Christian, but people in this country are free to change religions as much as they change their briefs. If he were to change, something tells me it would be towards the direction of his father, step-father or grandfather…muslim. However, I don’t expect that to happen.
Regardless, his policies are whats truly not right for our country, not his religion.
Curious Observer
August 23rd, 2010
9:25 am
The primary example of alternate reality in modern politics is the campaign for the extension of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. We see headlines about businesses’ hoarding of cash, rather than investing it in job-creating ventures, and yet supposedly extending the tax cuts will magically loose a flood of investments. The related right-wing whine is that the current political environment makes businesses reluctant to invest in job-creating ventures—supposedly, a more “business-friendly” political environment will encourage businesses to create jobs. Short of replacing the Obama administration with a Republican administration, I fail to see how extending the tax cuts would deal with this perceived problem.
Wouldn’t reality dictate that making the holding of cash more expensive to businesses—i.e., taxing unearned income such as interest income more steeply—resolve the problem?
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
9:25 am
John K 9:13
“The right needs an enemy, and Muslims are today’s commies.
Mix with blowhards Hannity, Beck, Rush, etc. and there you go.”
So Glenn Beck telling his subscribers that Pres Obama considers himself a Christian, that his father was more agnostic than Muslim and that he draws heavily form the Jewish faith (link at 9:10) makes him a blowhard?
Seems like the Left has its own enemies to fall back on -
Kamchak
August 23rd, 2010
9:26 am
USinUK
12 goals in two games and top o’ the table!
And The Beat won on the road in their first game with the interim coach.
Life is good.
ty webb
August 23rd, 2010
9:28 am
Ah yes, “the right needs an enemy”, how profound. and yet he sees no irony in that right after he types this, he points to the left’s “enemies”(rush, beck, hannity, etc.). And around and around we go.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
9:28 am
Curious Observer
August 23rd, 2010
9:25 am
“alternate reality”?
“right-wing whine”?
If it’s that crystal clear, then why are many dems considering extending the tax cuts?
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
9:29 am
Good morning Paul —
@ 9:25
Come on. One moment of clarity does not cancel out the many moments of insanity — any insane person would tell you that — or would they? Hmmmm………
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
9:29 am
“With more of us attending college, we might even be smarter”
A good example of Opinion disguised as Fact.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
9:30 am
Kam – gooooooo boys in blue!!
btw – I think I recommended this book to you before, but just in case:
Fever Pitch by Nick Hornby.
Buy it. Read it. Love it.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
August 23rd, 2010
9:30 am
Well, I’m happy to see people speaking up about this name-calling.
But you got to admit Obama’s a towelhead. If you don’t beleive that, you’re nothing but a @%&$@ librul.
AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
9:31 am
stands: What kind of a douchebag has a problem with that?
Mystery meat: So you’re saying calling someone a “douchebag” is just a general indictment rather than unprovoked, hateful, personal insults.
Do you have any mastery of standard, written English?
Maybe not, as you apparently aver that this is equivalent of “Yeah, you’ll find the draft dodging BedWet to be an ally for you. She hates America just like muslims.”, ala Grand Forks.
As even you cannot deny nor now hide from, there are MANY OTHERS written by MANY OTHERS as well. And that alone is what I have decried.
I do not suffer fools gladly, and that you try to defend that garbage, using your moral equivalence as defense, merely confirms that your Karl Rove underwear are showing.
lamp do not condemn hate speech. You tacitly support it by either turning a blind eye and giving your fellow animus-filled demagogues a free pass or you timidly try to run cover for them.
Kyle allows the worst of the worst on his blog. Which is of course, his prerogative. As is yours to support it. But I contend that it keeps decent and rational people far away.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
9:31 am
“right-wing whine”
if that’s not a good DUI test at a roadblock, I don’t know what is.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
9:32 am
ty,
I do not feel the need to go to war with Limbaugh and his merry band of cretins like some on the right have been calling for in regards to the skeery mooslims.
BADA BING
August 23rd, 2010
9:32 am
Need an Ebonics translator? Call Fo Fo Fi – Ni Fi Fo Fo.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
9:33 am
AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
9:31 am
I bet you love Oliver Stone movies, don’t you?
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
9:35 am
USinUK,
“if that’s not a good DUI test at a roadblock, I don’t know what is.”
I got one:
doggie diarrhea dookie in the dining room
Don’t ask how that phrase came up this weekend. No, don’t. Don’t.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
9:35 am
Leg Lamp … why, I do believe you win the “avoidance” award of the day for NOT telling us what is so bad about the FBI hiring people who understand Spanish, Ebonics and Jamaican.
well done, you.
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
9:36 am
Oh yeah. And the word of the day seems to be “intolerance”. I think that’s what your post reflects.
Only you would be able to distill intolerance from what I posted. I only suggested you go to CJ’s and boost her post count. I never said you had to leave here, nor would I ever suggest that.
A leopard never changes it’s spots, and a hit dog will holler. Two things I learned growing up. To break it down for you, no matter how many times you change your name, you will always be easily identifiable by the way you attack people to try to get a rise out of them. Number two, only an intolerant person would see intolerance where there isn’t any. Nice try though.
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
9:37 am
Hi Bosch!
“any insane person would tell you that — or would they?”
Ummmmm…… aren’t you the one who told me?
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
9:38 am
Bosch.
dude – if it makes you feel any better, I felt your pain on Friday. nothing quite like coming home to THAT as a greeting.
ty webb
August 23rd, 2010
9:38 am
Bosch,
I was referring to John K’s comment, not yours. I agree with you, I don’t want go to war with limbaugh anymore than I want to go to war with Ed Schultz or Mike malloy or their merry bands of cretins like some on the left have been calling for in regards to the skeery racist homophobe conservatives.
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
9:39 am
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
9:25 am
So Glenn Beck telling his subscribers that Pres Obama considers himself a Christian, that his father was more agnostic than Muslim and that he draws heavily form the Jewish faith (link at 9:10) makes him a blowhard?
————————————————————————————————————————
Wow, so you find one quote by Beck that makes him sound reasonable and that makes him reasonable?
It’s all the other stuff he says that makes him a blowhard. His “reasonable” quotes are only there to give him a shred of credibility that his followers can cling to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y6FNFcf0w8
BADA BING
August 23rd, 2010
9:39 am
Bosch…..doggie diarrhea in the dining room? Is that some sort of perverted, fetish ‘Clue’ game?
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
9:40 am
doggie diarrhea dookie in the dining room
What are you feeding those poor little puppies?
AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
9:42 am
Stone films? Some of them yes, some no.
Born on the Fourth of July was outstanding. JFK was insufferable.
But kudos on giving up the argument that stands and Grand Forks are guilty of the same offense.
It was foolish to not denounce any kind of correlation in the first place.
Stick to what you do best. Try to insult people. Cleverly, or more often, not.
OK, off to be a good little capitalist…
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
9:42 am
Don’t forget 9:39
A comedy riff on Olbermann? O-kaaay……
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
9:43 am
SoCo – “What are you feeding those poor little puppies?”
it’s not what you feed them, it’s what they decide to eat, anyway …
buck@gon
August 23rd, 2010
9:46 am
Welcome to Disinformationland!
I’m Jay Bookman and I’ll be your tour guide. Coming up we have the paranoid PNAC conspiracy. Next, alongside Obama-nonsense about religion, we show that the same number of Americans who believe Obama is a Muslim also believed that Bush orchestrated 9/11.
We here at the ajc like to slant our disinformation, of course. While you will read much about our contrived outrage at the stupidity of most Americans–that means you, stupid reader–we will keep silent about our own kookiness and the kookiness of our democrat allies (heck, we’re not even going to confess that we like Stalin and Castro!). We will forever shill for them and spread our own disinformation, and no, we want the democracy to end too. You stupid people need to be managed.
Please keep your hands and arms inside the boat, and no feeding the columnists.
jed
August 23rd, 2010
9:48 am
Obama is a clean, articulate, Muslim who does not speak with a Negro accent.
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
9:48 am
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
9:42 am
Don’t forget 9:39
A comedy riff on Olbermann? O-kaaay……
No, it was on Comedy channel. Olberman also showed it but it wasn’t his show. Obviously it was comedy but it still makes a point. Obviously you didn’t watch it though, based on the time of your post.
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
9:48 am
it’s not what you feed them, it’s what they decide to eat, anyway …
Hmmmmm… I didn’t think about that wildcard. I see the light now.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
9:49 am
SoCo,
I have no idea what prompted that, but there’s nothing like your 14 year old daughter screaming that from the dining room — apparently, she’s the one who found it….while bare footed.
USinUK,
Oh dear. NOT a nice start to the weekend.
BADA,
Nice one.
Paul,
Bwahahahahhahahahaha….ha.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
9:51 am
buck,
I don’t think this is paranoia:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
9:51 am
buck@gon
August 23rd, 2010
9:46 am
Welcome to Disinformationland!
Nice straw man you made there. Same old same old from the right.
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
9:53 am
Don’t forget
I saw enough to read “MSNBC” “Olbermann” and “Comedy Central.”
I consider snippets strung together to make a point to evoke laughs as just that – not as serious analysis of a person’s position.
Out for a bit.
Bosch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW02c5UNGl0
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
9:53 am
Bosch – she hates it when it’s drizzly and wet out, so she’ll hold it until her eyeballs are fairly swimming …
all I can say is that, on Friday, I was thinking that th £3K I spent having our downstairs tiled was worth every. single. penny.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
9:54 am
Bosch – 9:51 …. am I the only person who hears Ashcroft singing “let the eagles soooooaaaaarrrrrr” in the background when they read that kind of dreck?
left wing
August 23rd, 2010
9:55 am
Jay, I’m shocked, shocked I say, to hear that you think the right wingers obfuscate.
They love to talk about how the stimulus plan was supposed to keep unemployment under 8%. The only problem with that is that when the stimulus was passed (2/11/09) unemployment was already at 8.5% before the package was passed by congress:
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&tdim=true&dl=en&hl=en&q=unemployment+graph
Long ago, they learned that if you say something loud enough, by multiple sources and keep repeating it, it becomes the truth, regardless of facts.
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
9:55 am
Next, alongside Obama-nonsense about religion, we show that the same number of Americans who believe Obama is a Muslim also believed that Bush orchestrated 9/11.
Interesting thought indeed. About one in five Americans think Obama’s a Muslim. Did you also know that 1 in 5 Americans think:
. . . believes in the right of a state to secede, according to a 2008 Zogby poll.
. . . thinks marijuana is more dangerous than alcohol, according to a recent Rasmussen poll.
. . . believes that intelligent beings from other planets have made contact with humans on Earth, according to a 2006 CBS News poll.
You should see some of the other stuff that corresponds with 20% of Americans.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
9:58 am
USinUK,
Oh thanks for putting Ashcroft singing earworms in my head….pass the brain bleach please.
Peter
August 23rd, 2010
9:58 am
True words Jay..heck God, the Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, and Satan are all man made………so folks will believe anything at all.
StJ
August 23rd, 2010
9:59 am
[smack, smack, smack] Get up, ya dang horse!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
9:59 am
Only 2 People In NJ Sign Up For New Obama-care Plan?
HACKENSACK, N.J. – Just two people in New Jersey will begin receiving coverage Monday under new plans created by federal health care reforms.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
@@
August 23rd, 2010
10:01 am
jay, this one has been done to death.
Obama drinks, and the females, (wife and daughters) wear shorts. Besides….
Rasmussen-May 4, 2007 —- Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.
Does your side need to explain themselves?
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
10:06 am
bosch …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woLQI8X2R6Y
for you …
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
10:08 am
Speaking of weird stuff people believe in:
http://store.afa.net/p-10000122-theyre-coming-to-your-town-dvd.aspx
/drive-by
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
10:09 am
And we wonder why California is tanking….
LOS ANGELES – Next month’s opening of the Robert F. Kennedy Community Schools will be auspicious for a reason other than its both storied and infamous history as the former Ambassador Hotel, where the Democratic presidential contender was assassinated in 1968.
With an eye-popping price tag of $578 million, it will mark the inauguration of the nation’s most expensive public school ever.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
10:11 am
USinUK,
Damn woman!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
10:11 am
Yes, what some people believe….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg98BvqUvCc
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
10:11 am
“The counter notion that truth was instead a relative concept, that one person’s concept of truth could be as valid as the next person’s, was dismissed as soft-headed liberalism.”
Jay raises an interesting philosophical question this AM, which I believe is best answered by the parable of the blind men and the elephant. Theoretically, there is an objective reality which can be discerned by we humans (the elephant). However, due to our limited powers of observation coupled with a natural bias which comes from experience, we ultimately can only “understand” a limited slice of that objective reality (the six blind men). As such, I believe that we all do carry around our own version of “truth”, which may or may not correlate with the “truth” that others perceive.
It would be nice if objective reality stood on its own, but Modern Physics suggests that it can’t. According to Einsteinian Relativity, there is NO universal frame of reference from which “objective reality” can be measured. In simpler terms, there isn’t a universal coordinate system with an absolute “zero point”. And according to Quantum Physics, the observer and the observed are all part of the same system, which brings into play multitudes of possible “quantum states”, which can only be assigned various probabilities of being “objective reality”. Toss in the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, and any hope of discerning “objective reality” is lost by definition.
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
10:11 am
@@
I don’t think anyone denies that there are whackos on the left. What’s different is that we don’t give them their own shows and a national following.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
10:13 am
Brunoooooooooooooo –
yay! you’re here …
have had this song in my head all day today – you’re top of the list of folks who I thought might appreciate it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5axlwCBXC8
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
10:16 am
See, @@, we make fun of our whackos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaoS-BhEYEI
mm
August 23rd, 2010
10:16 am
The GOP has drummed up concern about the Ground Zero Community Center (no, it is not a mosque) by first calling it a mosque, then claiming the imam is a terrorist in order to divert attention away from the fact they have blocked a vote on:
Jobs bill
Small business bill
Unemployment bill
Healthcare for the 9/11 workers
They know they would hear from their constituents during the break, so they change the subject, as usual.
And the whole time the GOP framed these bills as handouts for freeloaders. Pathetic. You wingnuts must be so proud of yourselves.
And let’s not forget that the GOP is accusing the Dems of raising taxes on Jan. 1 even though it was the GOP that put the deadline in the bill they rammed through congress, using (you guessed it) reconciliation.
This blog is a perfect example of today’s subject, Jay. Just read the disinformation the wingnuts post here on a daily basis. It’s makes you wonder if they are uneducated dolts or ingorant fools.
Old Retired English Professor
August 23rd, 2010
10:19 am
Easter Bunny, Santa Clause . . .
One can always tell when a writer has been through college English 101. Suddenly, Santa Claus gains an e to his last name.
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
10:26 am
In terms of the specific uncertainty regarding Obama’s faith, I think Donovan raised a lot of good points in his 8:49 post, though sadly, none of the Libs on board had the courage to answer his specific charges. The fact remains that Obama could have put all doubt to rest regarding his upbringing by releasing records from his childhood and college days. The fact that he won’t suggests that he is trying to hide something. Personally, I believe he was born in Hawaii and personally, I don’t care if he had a Muslim upbringing, but his continued stonewalling only gives additional fodder for those who like to believe in conspiracy theories.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/the-mystery-of-barack-obama-continues/
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
10:31 am
Bruno,
“though sadly, none of the Libs on board had the courage to answer his specific charges”
Or maybe we just scrolled past it.
“The fact that he won’t suggests that he is trying to hide something. ”
Hogwash. Or maybe he doesn’t feel the need to respond to lunatics. I know if I were in his shoes, I wouldn’t give these idiots the time of day.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
10:33 am
Neal Gabler lives exclusively in the left-wing echo chamber so he’s not really the best person to go to for evidence that others stay misinformed, but you can find 20 to 30 percent that believe most anything.
Welcome back, Jay B.
Now what have we learned so far this morning kidz?
We’ve learned that the word of the day calender at sfb’s house says today’s word is doucebag.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
10:33 am
Bosch – 10:11 – I made up for it with a little John Prine …
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
10:35 am
“Brunoooooooooooooo –yay! you’re here …”
Hi, beautiful, and thanks for the warm greeting. “In Spite of Ourselves” could easily be the soundtrack for my life.
In spite of ourselves
We’ll end up a’sittin’ on a rainbow
Things may be looking up for me, despite all my gloomy thoughts to the contrary. I put a rental sign out in my yard Friday night, and found a good tenant in less than 24 hours. This morning, I got a call from a potential employer to let me know he’s going to make a decision by Wednesday. Though it wasn’t a firm offer, he indicated that he chose me over the other candidates.
Thanks for the good thoughts, you are an angel on Earth.
Jefferson
August 23rd, 2010
10:36 am
Is there a token muslim republican in the house?
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
10:37 am
Does anyone seriously believe that President Obama was
not investigated down to the deposits under his toenails
when he qualified to run for President? No one
that simpleminded could learn to read and write,thus
all the questioning is smoke blowing.
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
10:39 am
This is the best kind of Monday…I have off, and I slept late! Welcome back Jay.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
10:40 am
Bruno – 10:35 – I’m doing a little dance for ya!!
huzzah!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsyHo8iUsjE
oh, honey, I’m SO very pleased for you … yay. yay. YAY!
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
10:40 am
As if this was “surprising” in any way:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_republicans_constitutional_amendments
SPIN METER: Republicans hot, cold on Constitution
WASHINGTON – Republican Rep. Paul Broun of Georgia won his seat in Congress campaigning as a strict defender of the Constitution. He carries a copy in his pocket and is particularly fond of invoking the Second Amendment right to bear arms.
But it turns out there are parts of the document he doesn’t care for — lots of them. He wants to get rid of the language about birthright citizenship, federal income taxes and direct election of senators, among others. He would add plenty of stuff, including explicitly authorizing castration as punishment for child rapists.
This hot-and-cold take on the Constitution is surprisingly common within the GOP, particularly among those like Broun who portray themselves as strict Constitutionalists and who frequently accuse Democrats of twisting the document to serve political aims.
Republicans have proposed at least 42 Constitutional amendments in the current Congress, including one that has gained favor recently to eliminate the automatic grant of citizenship to anyone born in the United States.
Democrats — who typically take a more liberal view of the Constitution as an evolving document — have proposed 27 amendments, and fully one-third of those are part of a package from a single member, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., D-Ill. Jackson’s package encapsulates a liberal agenda in which everyone has new rights to quality housing and education, but most of the Democratic proposals deal with less ideological issues such as congressional succession in a national disaster or voting rights in U.S. territories.
The Republican proposals, by contrast, tend to be social and political statements, such as the growing movement to repeal the 14th Amendment’s birthright citizenship. Republicans like Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, the lead Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, argue that immigrants are abusing the right to gain citizenship for their children, something he says the amendment’s authors didn’t intend.
Sessions, who routinely accuses Democrats of trying to subvert the Constitution and calls for respecting the document’s “plain language,” is taking a different approach with the 14th Amendment. “I’m not sure exactly what the drafters of the amendment had in mind,” he said, “but I doubt it was that somebody could fly in from Brazil and have a child and fly back home with that child, and that child is forever an American citizen.”
Other widely supported Republican amendments would prohibit government ownership of private companies, bar same-sex marriage, require a two-thirds vote in Congress to raise taxes, and — an old favorite — prohibit desecration of the American flag…”
Gee..I wonder where this “let’s change it and make it up as we go along” comes from? Interpretation(s) of the bible perhaps?
Keep reading from the link…there are a few in there there are true Wingnuttery at it’s finest! Bachmann’s is pretty darn good… I wonder what it would be like to have to wake up and hear those voices in one’s head. Not the voice we all hear…but someone else’s voice…someone who’s not there.
Republicans (mostly of the tea and crumpet “sect” of your party) I’ll leave you with this:
Virginia Sloan, an attorney who directs the nonpartisan Constitution Project, agreed.
“There are a lot of people who obviously don’t like income taxes. That’s a political position,” she said of criticism of the 16th Amendment, which authorized the modern federal income tax more than a century ago.
“But it’s in the Constitution … and I don’t think you can go around saying something is unconstitutional just because you don’t like it.”
Jackie
August 23rd, 2010
10:44 am
It is estimated that human knowledge doubles every 5 years. Should we be surprised that many refuses to believe the President Obama is NOT a Muslim?
http://newsfan.typepad.co.uk/does_human_knowledge_doub/2007/07/human-knowledge.html
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
10:44 am
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
10:37 am
No, I don’t think Obama was “investigated down to the deposits under his toenails’, but I also don’t believe he was born in Kenya. I’ve seen, on more than one occasion, a copy of the birth announcement that appeared in Hawaii newspapers. It provided his name, date of birth, parents, hosptial name, et al. Unless his mother and grandparents had a calculated plot (decades in the making) to deceive the American public in the event their new born child would ever run for POTUS, then it’s a moot point. I have no problem with this birth, just his policies and actions (and a little bit of his arrogance).
Gay Blade
August 23rd, 2010
10:44 am
Jay is a Democratic Hack.
The Thin Guy
August 23rd, 2010
10:45 am
JB gets his set of facts from George Soros and the DNC. Favorite quote of the week from Ann Coulter: In a related story 20% of Kenyans think Øbungle is an American. I don’t care what he is religiously. He’s taken away my health care, my country, and is working on my bank account. Those are some facts Jack.
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
10:46 am
“This blog is a perfect example of today’s subject, Jay. Just read the disinformation the wingnuts post here on a daily basis. It’s makes you wonder if they are uneducated dolts or ingorant fools.”
“Hogwash. Or maybe he doesn’t feel the need to respond to lunatics. I know if I were in his shoes, I wouldn’t give these idiots the time of day.”
“See, @@, we make fun of our whackos.”
Yet, none of you is willing to answer any of the specific questions regarding Obama’s upbringing. Which is understandable, given the fact that he won’t answer the questions himself.
BTW, if any of you Libs want to cling to the myth that “liberal thinkers” are more intelligent, more informed, more honest, or even more charitable than conservatives, I’ve got a bevy of polls and surveys which suggest otherwise……..
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
10:46 am
Bruno? Are you saying NOBODY on earth knows where Obama went to school? It’s well documented. There are people who attended classes with him. As far as releasing every single grade and test he ever took… show me a president or candidate who ever has. I for one would LOVE to get a look at some grades…Bachmann’s, Palin’s, Tom Delay’s wqould have been pretty interesting as well.
Perhaps Broun (see my last post) can ask for a Constitutional Amendment that will require every single candidate running for Federal Office to provide all of their school records and test scores…from Kindergarten on up.
Just not sure WHY anyone would think that every school Obama attended is not documented. What more does one need?
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
10:47 am
“He’s taken away my health care, my country, and is working on my bank account. Those are some facts Jack.”
So, you no longer have health care? Did you move to another country because he made you, and he stole all your money?
Enough with the hyperbole – it’s Monday.
Gordon
August 23rd, 2010
10:48 am
What an important topic in these days of a failing economy and Iran about to go nuclear. Lots of people also believe Bush was part of or least knew about 9/11. Lots of people are stupid. This is not news.
Disgusted
August 23rd, 2010
10:49 am
What you want to bet that the people demanding to see Obama’s long-form birth certificate are the ones who fought hardest against the release of GWB’s military service records?
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
10:50 am
Bruno,
What specifics?
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
10:50 am
Arnold Schwarzenegger can never be President but
an Anchor Baby can. Will removing the 14th amendment
keep ALL babies born on US soil from automatically
being citizens? Clearly something needs adjusting but
CAREFULLY.
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
10:50 am
The truth exists independently of how you feel about it, what you hope it is, or what you “need” it to be in order to feel good about yourself, your choices, or your arguments. Furthermore, knowing the WHOLE truth about something is frequently not even possible, and knowing part of the truth does not mean you know all of it. Get over yourselves, people.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
10:52 am
Aug. 23, 2010: Just another day in Disinformationland
When you see that headline without the “column” that follows it seems like a pretty bad choice of wording for someone’s first effort on returning from vacation.
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
10:52 am
We’ve learned that the word of the day calender at sfb’s house says today’s word is doucebag.
I guess I could be more specific, but I’m not sure if that’s a Versace, or a Gucci, that Shirley MacLaine toted around the streets of Paree, back in the day. Anyone know?
Russ555
August 23rd, 2010
10:54 am
People believe different things because they have different life experiences, and are taught different things. Everyone has some bias or incorrect beliefs that they believe are true. Don’t think that has changed, or will ever change complety. It may be worse now with the internet and cable tv.
Harry Callahan
August 23rd, 2010
10:55 am
Hmmm….Disinformation land…do Dan Rather’s “fake but accurate” George W. Bush Texas Air Guard documents count?
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
10:55 am
sfb,
Whatever you tried to link to at 10:52 the site proprietor doesn’t like you hot linking so all I can get is a message that says forbidden.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
10:55 am
sfd,
I think that link is broke — it tells me it’s “forbidden.”
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
10:56 am
RW,
JINX!!
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
10:56 am
As for the whole “gorsh, why doesn’t the Uppity Illegal Alien Mongrel just clear it all up once and for all?” question, I give you:
http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/ten_questions_nobody_ever_asked_about_george_w_bush/
===============
1.) Where is George W. Bush’s real birth certificate?
2.) Was George W. Bush’s birth announcement planted in the paper to divert attention from his actual birth?
3.) What is George W. Bush’s Social Security Number?
4.) Does George W. Bush’s Social Security Number match the assignment pattern traditionally followed by Social Security Numbers?
5.) How did George W. Bush apply for financial aid in college?
6.) Where are George W. Bush’s MBA projects and papers?
7.) Is George W. Bush’s wife faithful to America?
8.) How did George W. Bush pay for any or all of his homes?
9.) Is George W. Bush secretly faithful to another religion?
10.) Why hasn’t George W. Bush given money to every single member of his extended family who’s having problems?
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
10:57 am
Bosch … Linkbada … the forbidden link …
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
10:57 am
I think that link is broke — it tells me it’s “forbidden.”
con-sarn it…
try this
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
10:58 am
Leg Lamp 10:44 The FBI, CIA, Secret Service,RNC,DNC and
all News Services looked at every breathing moment of
Barack Hussein Obama at the very least.
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
10:58 am
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
10:26 am
Bruno, did George W answer the claims the he knew about 9/11 before it happened???? Does the fact that he didn’t give credibility to those who made the assertion. I think that the argument that the issue isn’t addressed does NOTHING to add credibility to the assertion.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
10:59 am
Shirley MacLaine looking all surly is kind of…..nauseating. But my guess is Gucci!
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
11:00 am
Jay:
“I’m not sure that democracy as we have known it can survive that transition”
If there is no absolute truth, then it’s o.k. for your wife to be your property under Sharia Law.
That is why our democracy will not survive ……….. and it’s happening right here.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
11:01 am
Scout,
Did the monster under your bed tell you that Sharia Law is upon us here in this country? In what universe do you preside in where you think that will happen here? What a sad lonely place it must be in your head.
Vinny
August 23rd, 2010
11:02 am
Jay – Here you go – Obumbles states that America is a Muslim country -
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/9959057/Barack_Hussein_Obama_US_one_of_the_largest_Muslim_countries_in_the_world/
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
11:02 am
And yet even after irrefutable video evidence has been presented, the shape-shifting Cheney cult gets a free pass.
Dusty
August 23rd, 2010
11:06 am
So Jay stayed away two weeks just to get stoked up on DISINFORMATION. But he left already full of it.
And Bosch thought only puppies produced it!! Alas!! There’s more to come. This is a liberal blog. The day has just begun.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
11:07 am
Uh oh…Biden got loose and is making a speech now. Prepare for an onslaught of youtube clips….
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
11:08 am
“Bruno? Are you saying NOBODY on earth knows where Obama went to school? It’s well documented. There are people who attended classes with him. As far as releasing every single grade and test he ever took… show me a president or candidate who ever has.”
“Bruno, What specifics?”
Bosch and Saul–Assuming that you are interested in honest dialogue, and not simply interested in dismissing anyone who questions Obama out of hand as being a “nutcase” ala Jay, there are legitimate questions regarding Obama’s school days that have nothing to do with which schools he attended or his grades.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/the-mystery-of-barack-obama-continues/
From the link:
“For example, Obama’s application to Punahou School – now mysteriously missing – would likely contain a birth certificate. And, according to attorney Gary Kreep, “his Occidental College records are important as they may show he attended there as a foreign exchange student.” Indeed, Obama used his Indonesian name “Barry Soetoro” while attending Occidental.”
“What’s more, there are questions about how he paid for his Harvard Law School education since, despite a claim by Michele Obama, no one has produced any evidence that he received student loans. The Obamas will not release any student loan details despite repeated requests from the Chicago Tribune. However, it appears that his Harvard education may have been paid for by a foreign source.”
Again, I personally don’t care if Obama claimed foreign citizenship while in school in order to get favorable consideration in terms of admission or financial aide. Sometimes we do what seems convenient at the moment, though it can come back later to bite us in the butt. The bigger concern is that he hasn’t been open and forthright dealing with the questions.
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
11:09 am
Scout,
I had a soldier ’splain to me that he’s bombing people over there so women like me won’t be forced to wear Burquas back here. Heh… You mean AMERICAN women? Hahaha! You’ve met us, right? First off, we’re armed. Second, we’re already ticked off most of the time because we work more for less money. We refuse to be subjugated, which is why most of us are divorced. Woe be it to the effer who tries to put US down (or our sisters….) We long ago stopped being eskeered of uppity men who think they’re superior. Watch Mad Men to see how far we’ve come in one generation. We’re not going back, not even in the name of ANY man’s version of “God.” Trust in THAT, Dude.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:10 am
It’s a first for first ladies: Michelle Obama and Laura Bush will appear together next month on the 9th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks in Shanksville, Pa., where United flight 93 went down after the crew and passengers fought back against terrorists.
So I guess Mrs. Bush will be there supporting the victims of the attacks while Mrs. Obama will be there supporting Islam.
DawgDad
August 23rd, 2010
11:11 am
“In too many quarters, truth today is personal, a set of “facts” that allow a person to keep believing whatever he or she prefers to believe. And if we each inhabit our own alternate reality, there is in fact no reality, only fantasy. I’m not sure that democracy as we have known it can survive that transition.”
There is no transition, Jay. Nothing has changed, this is human nature, it’s the same now as it always has been and always will be.
People’s individual reality is ALWAYS influenced by their perceptions, because everyone’s environment and perceptions are different (like “no two snowflakes are alike”). How is today’s media-influenced “personal truth” as you term it any different than the regional or local or clan or family fact-based “truths” of yesteryear, before advanced communications? This is so much rubbish, so off-base it’s sick.
There are simple experiments that will demonstrate to people their perception of what they perceive as “truth” ["reality", actually] is not always “the truth” or real; we did those in college and you can easily find them on-line if you’re interested. Pretty much everyone in the world with half a brain understands this. Point is, nothing new here, and no, conservatives are not inherently dangerous just because they don’t buy into your brainwash propaganda.
mike
August 23rd, 2010
11:12 am
If Jay wasn’t just a partisan hypocrite, he would note that 35% of Democrats think that Bush knew about 9/11 before hand. But then we all know about Jay.
I don’t think Obama is a Muslim, but which claim is more outlandish?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:13 am
mike
August 23rd, 2010
11:12 am
Maybe the question shouldn’t be “is Obama a moozlum”. Instead, maybe it should be “is Obama a Christian”.
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
11:13 am
I see that sensible conversation is going the way of the Model T. I’m out for a while…
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:13 am
matti – ohsweetjeebus … “he’s bombing people over there so women like me won’t be forced to wear Burquas back here”
that kind of stuff makes my eyes ache.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:14 am
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
11:13 am
Just where was it you hitched your horse and wagon?…..
mike
August 23rd, 2010
11:15 am
“Maybe the question shouldn’t be “is Obama a moozlum”. Instead, maybe it should be “is Obama a Christian”.”
I don’t really care what he is. All I care about are his policies.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:15 am
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:13 am
That, and a quart of whiskey.
Gator Joe
August 23rd, 2010
11:15 am
Once again, it shouldn’t matter whether the President is a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, or an Atheist. It shouldn’t matter, except to those who are insecure. To be intolerant of others who are of different race, religion or culture is a conscious decision and morally wrong. To be truly “free”, is to be tolerant of those different from ourselves in terms of religion, culture, gender, and race.
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:16 am
“Maybe the question shouldn’t be “is Obama a moozlum”. Instead, maybe it should be “is Obama a Christian”.”
Neither one should be a question: “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
11:16 am
Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.
[...]
If Jay wasn’t just a partisan hypocrite, he would note that 35% of Democrats think that Bush knew about 9/11 before hand.
@@ and mike-y, sittin’ in a tree…
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
11:16 am
Bruno,
It’s not a mystery. It’s conspiracy theorists like the ones in that report who want it to be. As several posters have pointed out, the same could be said for any POTUS — so why is it important for Obama? I wouldn’t produce any personal information about myself unless it was required if I was in his shoes — why should he? Simply because it will answer questions from right wing conspiracy theorists is not a reason.
Richard
August 23rd, 2010
11:17 am
Bill Maher put it best: “More than half of Americans believe Christianity came before Judiasm which means people look at the “New Testament” and the “Old Testament” and can’t figure out which one came first.”
getalife
August 23rd, 2010
11:18 am
Welcome back to la la land Jay.
The cons just lie and call it debate.
We will move forward and they will be kicking and screaming the whole time like children.
timbo
August 23rd, 2010
11:18 am
You’re correct. Conservatives have given up on the idea that truth exists. They have embraced the idea that all truth is relative, as the far left has taught us for many years. Now we see the disastrous results. The far-left has won. Are you satisfied with your triumph?
The sug and pompous tone of the article is especially ironic and amusing as it seems the author wants to complain and insult conservatives, while at the same time he is a champion of left-wing relativism.
mm
August 23rd, 2010
11:18 am
“Yet, none of you is willing to answer any of the specific questions regarding Obama’s upbringing.”
“However, it appears that his Harvard education may have been paid for by a foreign source.”
They open their mouths and remove all doubt.
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
11:19 am
Matti 11:09 Did you participate in Topless Day yesterday.
This day is when women protest the LAW that forces them
to wear tops to cover their chest even though men may
go uncovered. Not far from Burquas.
I am a Jelly Doughnut
August 23rd, 2010
11:19 am
Jay, Bet you wish you could have stayed fishing. Disinformation is like the one that got away. It is the body politic, the media slant, the public image.
Even if O were Muslim, its okay for him to lie/be disinformative about it. This point is proven by many incidences in the life of Mohammed. He often lied and instructed his followers to do the same. He rationalized that the prospect of success in missions to extend Islam’s influence overrode Allah’s initial prohibitions against lying. One could almost argue tha Islam is built on lies at least that part that is not built on bloodshed.
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
11:20 am
Bruno, have you actually, you know, looked around that “Western Journalism Center” website you’re citing as a serious resource? Check out their “Exclusive reports” topics page:
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/
Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility Updated
Is Obama Stupid and Lazy?
Obama’s Broken Campaign Promise: Alex’s Story
Airing Harry Reid’s Dirty Laundry
Obama Surrounds Himself with the Most Extreme Appointees in American History
Is Obama A Closet Racist?
What is Obama’s Real Education Agenda?
The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues
List of properties and social security numbers associate with Barack Obama and family
Who Funds the Radical Left In America?
Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
Obama appoints Homosexual Propagandist to Education
…lordy.
back later, kids.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
11:20 am
Bruno,
Off to lunch with me sis…….we can continue later.
David S
August 23rd, 2010
11:20 am
Well, he certainly isn’t a Christian. You just don’t kill as many people as Obama has in these 3 wars, declare that you have the right to kill anyone, even american citizens without due process, continue the torture and illegal imprisonment of so many in Gitmo and elsewhere, order the killing of millions with brutal, illegal sanctions, and everything else he has and continues to do and are a Christian. Of course that means that Bush isn’t one either, but most everyone knows that.
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
11:21 am
“Bruno, did George W answer the claims the he knew about 9/11 before it happened???? Does the fact that he didn’t give credibility to those who made the assertion. I think that the argument that the issue isn’t addressed does NOTHING to add credibility to the assertion.”
DF–I understand your point: Some questions are too far-fetched to waste time answering. In the case of GWB’s supposed fore-knowledge of 9/11 (trumpeted by our own Cynthia McKinney), I don’t believe anyone ever produced any evidence to suggest that, and there are no “sealed records” which could definitively put the issue to rest. The questions regarding any claimed foreign citizenship on the part of Obama are a little different, however, since there ARE easily obtained records which could prove it one way or another. Rather than releasing those records, Obama has chosen to spend large sums of money to keep them sealed.
As stated above, I personally believe Obama was born in Hawaii, making him a US citizen, even if he or his parents claimed otherwise later while in school for financial reasons. That’s not the issue to me. The issue is his active stonewalling and lack of forthrightness. Kind of like his promises for “transparent governance” which went out the window when it came time to pass the health care bill.
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
11:22 am
Matti:
You are forgetting about all of the Muslim-American women (legal or illegal/citizen or not) who are here right now and the subjugation they are enduring ……………. on AMERICAN SOIL.
What do you plan to do about that?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:23 am
Richard
August 23rd, 2010
11:17 am
Bill Maher also called the moozlum pilots on 9/11 “heroes”. Good source you got going for you.
dw
August 23rd, 2010
11:24 am
Jay,
Yes, logic would say that if your dad (step-dad) was Muslim, and you attended a Muslim school in your formative years, that there is a 100% certainty you are not a Muslim. Well atleast in “lib” statistics it works that way.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:24 am
David S
August 23rd, 2010
11:20 am
So I guess Bill Clinton isn’t a Chrisitan either. After all, he only bombed the sh_t out of Bosnia. But no one probably died, right?
Dusty
August 23rd, 2010
11:25 am
Bruno,
What is the matter with you? Here you are suggesting sensible thought with a factual background and you expect sensible response?
Bookman IS back, you know. The GANG is here. This is the time for fun & games.. Whack-a-moley Conservatives Wholly is the only game allowed here. Now straighten up and stop this foolish bit of sensibility. Congress,the President and all Democrats are perfect! Aintcha heard?
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:26 am
leg lamp – 11:15 –
I have such a low tolerance, you can forget a quart, all it’d take is the fumes …
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:28 am
Someone will question the “Bull” Maher statement. My bad with “heroes”. Here’ s the actual quote:
“We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away,” said Bill Maher, the host of Politically Incorrect. “That’s cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it’s not cowardly.”
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
11:28 am
Scout,
I have not forgotten, and yes it makes me sick. Subjugation is not limited to Muslims, though. It exists in many religions and denominations to varying degrees. Ever spent any time in Utah? They consider themselves “old maids” with bleak futures if they’re not hitched and spitting out spawn by 21.
Aside from my current stance of being anti-organized religion (not anti-God, just anti-what MEN say about God), leading by example, and being honest with the youngsters in my realm, what do YOU think I could do?
harvey
August 23rd, 2010
11:28 am
I don’t care of he is Muslim or not. But, he refuses to attend the National Prayer Breakfast, he refuses to lay the wreath at Arlington, yet he finds time to host a Ramadan dinner, he spends taxpayer money to send a muslim cleric on a mission around the world, he uses NASA money to highlight the “accomplishments” of Muslims in technology, he disses Israel. Maybe he isn’t muslim, but he sure is supportive.
@@
August 23rd, 2010
11:29 am
Don’t forget”:
So basically what you’re saying is that 35% of Democrats are ridiculously absurd without any guidance?
I guess that’s ONE thing of which they can be proud.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:30 am
Another Bill Maher classic
HBO’s Bill Maher: “I thought when we elected a black president, we were going to get a black president. You know, this [BP oil spill] is where I want a real black president. I want him in a meeting with the BP CEOs, you know, where he lifts up his shirt where you can see the gun in his pants. That’s — (in black man voice) we’ve got a ‘motherfu**ing problem here?’ Shoot somebody in the foot.”
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:30 am
“Here’ s the actual quote:”
Thank you for admitting you are wrong that he called them heroes. He said they weren’t cowards. That’s not the same thing as being a hero.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:33 am
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:26 am
So if your “low tolerance” the same as “intolerance”? That DOES seem to be the word of the day.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:34 am
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:30 am
But good ol’ Harry Reid DID say the following:
“I don’t know how anyone of Hispanic heritage could be a Republican, OK,” Reid said, speaking to Latino supporters whose votes he needs to win re-election in November. “Do I need to say more?”
Can you imagine the uproar if a conservatice politician said something similar?
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
11:35 am
Kind of like his promises for “transparent governance” which went out the window when it came time to pass the health care bill.
Bruno,
You might want to check your timeline. That promise expired long before the health care debacle.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:36 am
16 years ago Harry sounded like he had a clue. Check it out.
(Harry Reid, Op-Ed, “Perspectives On Immigration,” Los Angeles Times, 8/10/94)
“Welfare, Food Stamps, Medical Care And Other Benefits … Were Not Meant To Entice Freeloaders And Scam Artists From Around The World” “”Our borders have overflowed with illegal immigrants placing tremendous burdens on our criminal justice system, schools and social programs,” Reid said. “The Immigration and Naturalization Service needs the ability to step up enforcement. “Our federal wallet is stretched to the limit by illegal aliens getting welfare, food stamps, medical care and other benefits often without paying any taxes. “Safeguards like welfare and free medical care are in place to boost Americans in need of short-term assistance. These programs were not meant to entice freeloaders and scam artists from around the world. “Even worse, Americans have seen heinous crimes committed by individuals who are here illegally,” Reid said.”
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
11:37 am
“As several posters have pointed out, the same could be said for any POTUS — so why is it important for Obama?”
Bosch–The citizenship question is important because it directly relates to his qualification to be President in the first place. This is different from Bush’s reluctance to release his military records out of fear of embarrassment. If Obama is the stand-up guy he keeps claiming to be, why would he spend so much money keeping the records sealed?
“Bruno, have you actually, you know, looked around that “Western Journalism Center” website you’re citing as a serious resource?”
Not at all, sfd. It was simply one of the first entries to pop up upon my google search. Even if it is a biased or non-credible organization, that doesn’t mean they cant raise some legitimate questions.
Again, guys and gals, my point this morning isn’t to throw my weight behind claims that Obama isn’t a US citizen, which is a requirement to become President. My point is to address Jay’s ugly and condescending charge that anyone who raises questions is guilty of distorting the truth. I feel that Obama’s active efforts to keep his records sealed is the real problem, which is different from him simply ignoring what he might think are crazy questions.
getalife
August 23rd, 2010
11:39 am
While Americans are arguing if the President is a Christian born in America or not, Karsai accuses us of funding the enemy. Graham, the new maverick, is ready to withdraw.
The economy will be weak until next year, still teetering on collapse. They need a warning label for eggs and cons with their no regulation ideology have eggs on their face again.
kayaker 71
August 23rd, 2010
11:39 am
Just wait until your friendly Congressman/woman starts campaigning for re-election on their voting record. Reminds me a famous Groucho Marx quote,” These are my principles”, Marx said,”and if you don’t like them, well, I have others”.
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
11:42 am
Matti:
The first thing you should do is to stop hating men. They have died by the hundreds of thousands since the founding of this country to ensure your personal freedom.
Then work as hard as you can (vote, argue, write editorials, etc.) to extract women from their psychological/religious bondage in this country.
P.S. May I ask if you are a Christian?
Midori
August 23rd, 2010
11:43 am
Looks like someone needs a little attention.
nope – that poster needs a LOT of attention.
I’m still trying to figure out why he/she/it is here DEMANDING people interact with him/her/it….
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
11:44 am
“Bookman IS back, you know. The GANG is here. This is the time for fun & games.. Whack-a-moley Conservatives Wholly is the only game allowed here. Now straighten up and stop this foolish bit of sensibility. Congress,the President and all Democrats are perfect! Aintcha heard?”
LOL–I hear you, Dusty, though I’m sure that I’m guilty of the same behavior in my own ways. We’re all in this thing together, one way or another.
Best wishes to all, and special thanks again to USinUK. Love you, beautiful.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:44 am
kayaker – I love that quote – thanks for the laugh
Belinda
August 23rd, 2010
11:44 am
Thanks, Jay. Good blog. It’s scary.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:46 am
Midori
August 23rd, 2010
11:43 am
Uh oh, Midori is posting. Must mean she finally showed up at the workplace.
mike
August 23rd, 2010
11:46 am
“@@ and mike-y, sittin’ in a tree…”
Hey! Welcome back to preschool!
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
11:47 am
Scout My Dear Man,
I do not hate men. I ADORE men! A good many, in fact. (Perhaps too many?) Heh…. I have loved and married, borne and raised offspring, and dispensed tender loving nurturing care and compassion, healed wounds both inside and out, encouraged the discouraged, praised, cheered, and lifted them up — all my life and even still, and quite often to men from whom I know I’ll get no meaningful reward nor reciprocation. Just because a woman won’t lie down with a boot on her throat does not mean she hates men! My dear dear dear Scout. ***smooooooooch!***
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
11:50 am
G’morning, USinUK!
“ohsweetjeebus … “he’s bombing people over there so women like me won’t be forced to wear Burquas back here”
that kind of stuff makes my eyes ache.”
It’s that kind of stuff makes me laugh!!!
….. then bang my head against a wall….
Doggone/GA
We can keep repeating Article VI, but it ain’t gonna make a difference –
getalife
[We will move forward and they will be kicking and screaming the whole time like children.]
Well, today is the first day of school in some parts of the country -
Hillbilly Deluxe
August 23rd, 2010
11:50 am
With more of us attending college, we might even be smarter
Attending college makes you more educated but not necessarily smarter. There is more accumulated knowledge now but humans are no more or less smart than they ever were.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:50 am
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
11:47 am
Ewww. Have you been reading a Harlequin Romance Novel?
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
11:51 am
Hi Midori!!!
getalife
August 23rd, 2010
11:51 am
Instead of fighting for health care for the heroes of 9/11, cons chose to hate a old run down burlington coat factory building.
Weiner was right when he screamed shame but the shame gene is another gene missing in their dna.
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:52 am
“We can keep repeating Article VI, but it ain’t gonna make a difference –”
Yeah but it’s fun to see how often quoting it stops that “conversation” cold!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:53 am
getalife
August 23rd, 2010
11:51 am
A lot of 9-11 first responders are against the mosque as well. Just how do you label them?
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:53 am
Matti – psssst … if a woman dares say anything even remotely feminist, it is because they hate men. didn’t you get the memo?
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:54 am
“Just how do you label them?”
Misguided
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
11:54 am
Scout, Islamic law, in some instances is liberal with women, in that
temporary marriages for money are allowed. I wonder if that means
20 minutes for 20 dollars.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:55 am
paul – 11:50 –
that, too
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:56 am
“Matti – psssst”
I don’t know about Mattie, but I’ve had that memo pasted on my mirror since I was 17
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:56 am
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:54 am
So the first responders who risked life and limb, those who lost family and friends, those who experienced 9-11 first hand are “misguided” because they don’t share your opinion. To paraphrase the late great Art Linkletter, “libs say the darndest things”.
getalife
August 23rd, 2010
11:56 am
I label them cons silly.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:56 am
“A lot of 9-11 first responders are against the mosque as well. ”
which is why it’s fortunate that our constitutional rights aren’t up for the popular vote.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:58 am
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:56 am
Were post-it notes invented in 1934?
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:59 am
“first hand are “misguided” because they don’t share your opinion”
Nope, they’re misguided because they don’t understand the principles on which this country was founded…as embodied in our Constitution. Being heroes doesn’t make them immune from criticism when they are misguided.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:59 am
doggone –
believe in equal pay for equal work? you hate men.
believe that birth control should be included in basic insurance coverage? you hate men.
believe that women aren’t stupid and don’t need a 24-hour waiting period before terminating a pregnancy? you hate men.
believe that woman should have equal access to university sports scholarships? you REALLY hate men.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:59 am
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:59 am
Gee, if they’d only sit at your feet and learn.
getalife
August 23rd, 2010
12:00 pm
So cons, what label do you give the heroes supporting our Constitution?
rlooie
August 23rd, 2010
12:02 pm
Disinformation like:
It’s all GWB’s fault or
Obamacare will cut the deficit or
If you don’t agree with BO you must be a racist or
if you are against illegal immigration you are a xenophobic racist or
Liberals know what’s good for you better than you do or
Nancy Pelosi is NOT an insane moron.
That was easy, I could keep going.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
12:02 pm
getalife
August 23rd, 2010
12:00 pm
I wasn’t assigning labels. Your fellow libs were.
Left wing management
August 23rd, 2010
12:03 pm
“I can remember a time when American conservatives argued vehemently that there could only be one truth, THE truth”
There’s a major volume in American political history (and if Richard Hofstadter were still around, he might be the one to write it) that remains to be written. When it’s written – if it’s written – it will tell the story of how the American right wing, which in its current form started out a couple of decades ago largely on the inspiration of Alan Bloom’s Closing of the American Mind, arguing self-righteously that American culture had been taken over by a Left-wing disease of selective perception of truth. “Cultural relativism” they called it, and for a long time it was a battle cry that furthered the careers of a whole cottage industry of Right wing pundit (Bill Bennett, George Will, Roger Kimball, and many others). But obviously this was long before the Glenn Becks and Bill O’Reillys dumbed down things down and made it hard to believe there was once a day when the Right had strong intellectual pretensions. But what has happened now is that the Right wing has become an Alan Bloom parody – highly ironic considering that Bloom’s whole argument was that American culture had been corrupted by a decadent, watered-down Nietzscheanism. In our current climate, with Fox News at the forefront, is there any greater example of watered-down Nietzcheanism than the current politics of Right wing demagoguery?
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
12:03 pm
All men are raised by women.
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
12:03 pm
barking frog:
LOL !
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
12:04 pm
Matti:
You didn’t answer my other question. It’s o.k. if you don’t want to. Just wanted to add something.
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
12:05 pm
Bruno: From your post/article above:
“For example, Obama’s application to Punahou School – now mysteriously missing – would likely contain a birth certificate. And, according to attorney Gary Kreep, “his Occidental College records are important as they may show he attended there as a foreign exchange student.” Indeed, Obama used his Indonesian name “Barry Soetoro” while attending Occidental.”
Bruno…What I said stands…we KNOW that Obama attended those schools. WHY would he have to provide his “APPLICATIONS” to those schools? Did Bush or Reagan, Truman, etc…EVER provide the applications they had to any school?
Actually what your post/link does is verify what I stated..that we KNOW where and when Obama attended school.
BTW… Gary Kreep (or is it Creep…hehe)… is one of the LEAD “Birther” attorney’s who has had case after case dismissed. They switched to him on WND daily Orly was losing her cases… and he’s done no better.
Again…as far as “serious” dialog…please post someone other then a birther conspiracy theorist. Also… I’ll again point out what I said above… there is NO DENYING WHERE and WHEN Obama attended school (and which schools)… having to provide his “applications” is something which the birthers are asking of Obama…something that no other president before has ever provided.
RB from Gwinnett
August 23rd, 2010
12:08 pm
Gee Jay, I wonder how many liberals believe Bush started the war for his big oil buddies? Your partisan outrage is a joke.
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
12:09 pm
left wing management 12:03 Right wing commentators
are now the demigods of demagoguery?
Mr Right
August 23rd, 2010
12:13 pm
Don’t forget
August 23rd, 2010
9:13 am
Mr Right
August 23rd, 2010
9:06 am
Don’t change my posts. This is a perfect example of what I was talking about. You change a few of my words around without showing that you changed them. It’s totally dishonest.
Sorry! I changed it because it fit perfectly then way I would describe the left! Sorry I made you look good!
Jefferson
August 23rd, 2010
12:16 pm
That Mormon politician, would his religion matter? It appears religion is a deal breaker.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
12:17 pm
Jefferson
August 23rd, 2010
12:16 pm
Maybe he’ll claim he converted from Mormonism to Christianity.
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
12:18 pm
Jefferson:
Don’t think the Morman religion would matter as it’s ultimate goal is not the domination of the world by force and as far as I know they haven’t been blowing things up or beheading people all over the world.
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
12:19 pm
Excuse Me …………… “Mormon”
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
12:21 pm
Scout – ask Mittens if it matters …
Fang1944
August 23rd, 2010
12:21 pm
Then there’s:
The President is going to mandate circumcision (Limbaugh)
The President is going to ban fishing (Beck and ESPN)
There are going to be death panels (Palin and Bachmann)
Illegal aliens are going to draw Social Security (chain email that never dies)
Australia banned guns, and the violent crime rate went up 44% (it dropped even faster after the restrictions on some guns were in place)
Fewer than 10% of the President’s cabinet have had jobs in the private sector (Beck)
California is going to ban black cars (Limbaugh)
And it goes on and on.
Mick
August 23rd, 2010
12:22 pm
rb
So, why exactly did bush start the iraq war? Revenge for their plot against his father? Oil? There really was no legit reason, which history has born out.
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
12:26 pm
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
11:21 am
“Bruno, did George W answer the claims the he knew about 9/11 before it happened???? Does the fact that he didn’t give credibility to those who made the assertion. I think that the argument that the issue isn’t addressed does NOTHING to add credibility to the assertion.”
DF–I understand your point: Some questions are too far-fetched to waste time answering. In the case of GWB’s supposed fore-knowledge of 9/11 (trumpeted by our own Cynthia McKinney), I don’t believe anyone ever produced any evidence to suggest that, and there are no “sealed records” which could definitively put the issue to rest.
—————————————————————–
Actually you only partially see my point. Wasn’t George W briefed about al quaida on his first day? Didn’t the Clinton administration deliver a report to the Bush administration titled “Al quaida intent on attacking America” or something to that effect. Didn’t Richard Clark say that the Bush administration got out the attack plans on Iraq within hours of the 9/11 attack?
I don’t think that Bush knew of the attack. My point is that you can always come up with unanswered questions and draw conclusions from them if you ignore the known facts. This is the whole basis of conspiracy theories. A puff of smoke from a grassy knoll, extra sounds on a poor quality audio tape and so on. Can you prove to me that the questions you ask are not just a conspiracy theory. Can you prove that any of your assertions are true?
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
12:28 pm
“Again…as far as “serious” dialog…please post someone other then a birther conspiracy theorist.”
Saul–Did you actually read my posts, or just skim through them looking for easy points to disagree with? In my initial post @ 10:26, I stated “Personally, I believe he was born in Hawaii and personally, I don’t care if he had a Muslim upbringing, but his continued stonewalling only gives additional fodder for those who like to believe in conspiracy theories.”
The bottom line is that I labeled the attached westernjournalism site as one supporting “conspiracy theories”, but made the larger point that Obama’s active stonewalling was the real issue in my mind, not the legitimacy of the “birther” claims. Is that clear to you?
“we KNOW that Obama attended those schools. WHY would he have to provide his “APPLICATIONS” to those schools? Did Bush or Reagan, Truman, etc…EVER provide the applications they had to any school?”
Again, Saul, the issue isn’t whether he actually attended the schools, but what nationality he claimed on the application forms. Which could easily be answered by releasing the records, yet Obama has spent large sums of money keeping them sealed. Maybe this doesn’t come across as being suspicious to you, but it does for me. As far as I know, no legitimate questions regarding citizenship were ever raised about Bush, Reagan or Truman, since they were born to parents who were both US citizens and they all spent their youth attending US schools.
If you wish to engage in serious dialogue, you must first read what I wrote. You’re putting words in my mouth and asking me to defend something I never said.
Mick
August 23rd, 2010
12:28 pm
Right wing echo chamber howl – mosque built near ground zero. I think since there is a mosque inside the pentagon, which also was attacked, that argument has been rendered null and void. Next fox news talking point? Obama and his summer vacation, beware.
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
12:28 pm
Jefferson
“That Mormon politician, would his religion matter? It appears religion is a deal breaker.”
Last time I checked, Sen Harry Reid was still Senate Majority Leader –
Religion’s an issue only if people want to make it one.
godless heathen
August 23rd, 2010
12:29 pm
“There really was no legit reason, which history has born out.”
And Mick makes the point that people believe what they want to believe, absent any amount of facts that are made available to them.
RB from Gwinnett
August 23rd, 2010
12:30 pm
Jay, would you care to correct your bretheren Mick with facts or will you continue your usual one sided criticism of those you don’t agree with?
BTW, I do think it’s funny how liberals want to excuse Obama’s deficits with the “Bush and Reagan did it too” crap without understanding that’s exactly why the R’s got trounced in the last elections. Conservatives are sick of that crap. And McCain would have done more of the same. As a nation, this needs to stop regardless of whether a D does it or an R. It needs to stop!
Jefferson
August 23rd, 2010
12:33 pm
What good is a religion if it doesn’t want to dominate the world? Who wants an underacheiver as the top dog?
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
12:36 pm
Jefferson 12:33 ….movin on up.
williebkind
August 23rd, 2010
12:37 pm
“I’m not sure that democracy as we have known it can survive that transition.”
I sure hope you are right since we are a representative republic. You liberals can not stand if when the same tactics are used against you. Please Jay! Dont use the word facts, instead use the word fantasy. Thats all you progressive socialist have–idealistic fantasies.
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
12:37 pm
Bruno,
Serious dialog? You’re again stating that Obama has to provide documents/applications from his youth and college years when they are in fact NOT REQUIRED of him. He has provided his BC and every single court/judge and our own congress has accepted it as legal and valid. Case closed.
There’s really no further dialog to have… you’re deeply entrenched in the birther conspiracy. Honestly, they’ve got you all wrapped up in their conspiracy theory and you actually believe that they might just be on to something. Sorry, I have better things to do with my time but to try and prove what has been shown over and over and over again. The President was born in the USA, and is/has ALWAYS been a US Citizen. You say you believe he was…then why do you waste your time reading other people’s lunacy?
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
12:40 pm
Scout,
Actually, I DO believe in Christ, although I believe the recorded history of his life was perverted by the men who wrote the books. Specifically, I believe he likely had a wife, (as did any Jewish man of his age) but the misogynists in the old Church stripped or buried all references to her to promote the idea what women are dirty — a concept that, to my knowledge, Christ never preached. Thanks for asking.
Mick
August 23rd, 2010
12:41 pm
rb
Before I get “corrected” how’s about you actually listing some FACTS yourself. Then again, its much easier for you to label someone as a liberal then dismiss them out right.
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
12:42 pm
Jefferson
August 23rd, 2010
12:33 pm
I would have to say I agree… completely.
Sad but true…yet because of just that… it will continue to cause division among the cult’s members who all feel as THEIR cult is the “best” one and the others are wrong. I mean…somebody WIN already or everyone give it up.
Longest friggin’ war EVER…
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
12:44 pm
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
12:40 pm
Uh oh, you’ve got “DaVinci Code” written all over you.
Peadawg
August 23rd, 2010
12:46 pm
“It appears religion is a deal breaker.”
To me, it is. I want a Christian in the White House. Period.
Mr Right
August 23rd, 2010
12:47 pm
believe that women aren’t stupid and don’t need a 24-hour waiting period before terminating a pregnancy? you hate men.
You mean before they kill their baby !
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
12:48 pm
“Didn’t the Clinton administration deliver a report to the Bush administration titled “Al quaida intent on attacking America” or something to that effect. Didn’t Richard Clark say that the Bush administration got out the attack plans on Iraq within hours of the 9/11 attack?”
DF–That may be true, and would support your argument better if these were the ONLY attack plans revealed to Bush. I’m not privy to national security info, but have to believe that thousands of threats against the US are made each year. With unlimited resources, we probably could investigate each and every one of them, but that’s not reality. It’s easy to piece the clues together after the fact and say “We should have known”.
In fact, I think a good analogy can be drawn from your world, the world of medicine. Patients typically present with a multitude of complaints. To investigate each and every complaint fully would require huge sums of money. Even a single presenting complaint, such as headaches, can be caused by so many possible factors, that it’s not feasible to check each one.
“Can you prove to me that the questions you ask are not just a conspiracy theory. Can you prove that any of your assertions are true?”
Like my request to Saul, I’ll have to invite you to reread what I’ve actually said. Obama could easily answer questions about claimed foreign citizenship, but chose to spend large sums of money suppressing the info instead. Can you think of any reasonable justification for doing so?
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
12:49 pm
“To me, it is. I want a Christian in the White House. Period.”
You have one in the White House. Period
Peadawg
August 23rd, 2010
12:50 pm
“You have one in the White House. Period”
I’m not one of the crazies that he’s not.
RB from Gwinnett
August 23rd, 2010
12:50 pm
Mick, if you haven’t gotten it by now, me posting it one more time isn’t going to help you any. You’re a left wing fringe nut case and nothing I post will change that.
jconservative
August 23rd, 2010
12:51 pm
“In too many quarters, truth today is personal, a set of “facts” that allow a person to keep believing whatever he or she prefers to believe.”
Jay this is not new.
People have always believed what they want to believe. And if they did not have a clear reason to believe what they wanted to believe, they simply made up a reason.
And so it continues.
In the world of human emotions and opinions facts have rarely played a role.
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
12:52 pm
“There’s really no further dialog to have… you’re deeply entrenched in the birther conspiracy.”
Saul–You are either an idiot or a liar to make such a claim. I won’t waste time speaking to you in the future, since your only motivation seems to be “proving” what your own imagination believes based on your stated hatred of all things conservative.
Soames
August 23rd, 2010
12:55 pm
The “disinformation machine” is used by both parties to distract the electorate and further divide the citizens of this great country. To act like the Democrats have the market cornered on all that is ethical and moral shows ignorance on the part of some of your regular posters here.
Partisan hacks will always stick to their political dogma, regardless of how wrong they may be and some of you guys/gals are proof.
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
12:56 pm
Peadawg,
Since you’re an expert, then you can confirm what is required to “become a Christian”: Invite Him into your heart, Accept Him as your Savior, Confess Him to others as your Savior. To whom you were born, where you lived, and where you went to school are not factors. If you think Bush was a Christian (because he said so), and despite sending troops to invade and bomb a country that never attacked us, then why do you apply the standard differently to Obama, even though he says so? Because he does not advocate the same laws or policies that YOU do? *snerk* If that’s the case, then you sure do attribute a boatload of power and importance to your own opinions. Wonder what Christ would say about judging others all willy nilly.
Peadawg
August 23rd, 2010
12:58 pm
Matti, I never said Obama wasn’t a Christian. Calm down.
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
12:58 pm
Bruno,
Thanks for the name calling. Classy.
I was pointing out that what you’re asking for of Obama is something that NO OTHER President before him has had to provide. I stated that every court and our own congress has accepted his BC as being acceptable and allowable as “proof” that he was born in the USA. Why that’s not “good enough” for you…who knows… it simply makes you a “birther”.
Hopefully you’ll be an honest man and keep your word.
We’ll see.
Cheers!
Mick
August 23rd, 2010
1:01 pm
rb
**You’re a left wing fringe nut case **
Your powers of deduction are seriously lacking. You on the other hand, are terminally bitter about one thing or another. Enjoy your corporate slog and I hope they don’t discard you when you get near retirement or close to it.
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
1:03 pm
Matti, I never said Obama wasn’t a Christian. Calm down.
Peadawg, I think your message 12.50 is inadvertantly missing a “THINK” or “BELIEVE”, thus Matti’s misunderstanding.
meaning, what you wrote:
“I’m not one of the crazies that he’s not.”
should’ve been
“I’m not one of the crazies that believe he’s not.”
(that’s how I read it anyway.)
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
1:07 pm
On a lighter note, here’s a funny interview by Stephen Colbert with mathematician Art Benjamin who teaches at my alma mater:
http://www.math.hmc.edu/~benjamin/mathemagics/video-colbert.html#colbert
Can’t say I’ve ever been a Colbert fan, but my opinion of him has changed after watching this video.
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
1:10 pm
Thanks SFD. Yes, I was confused by the wording. Personally, I think we should leave religion out of politics. It causes problems, and I don’t see that it actually solves any.
Peadawg
August 23rd, 2010
1:12 pm
Sorry for the confusion.
Abrazos
August 23rd, 2010
1:15 pm
As Glenn Beck says, “Follow the money” and lookee heah:
FOX News’ parent company, NewsCorp is 7% owned by Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal the largest investor after the Murdoch family. Prince Alwaleed can be tied to the Saudi royal family, which finances the construction of Wahabbist mosques, and which has links to the Carlyle Group. The Carlyle Group has, in turn, been tied to Osama bin Laden. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani rejected a $10-million gift from Prince Alwaleed after the 9/11 attacks, because the Saudi prince had said that US foreign policy contributed to the terrorist attack. That’s right…Fox News’ parent company took nearly $3 BB from THE SAME Saudi Prince who said said that US foreign policy contributed to the terrorist attack.
So is Fox News a Terrorist Command Center? Are Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Laura Ingraham, Ann Coulter, Dick Morris, Karl Rove, et al all practicing jihad against America, doing the bidding of their Saudi puppet masters? The connection is disturbing.
Not saying Fox News IS a terrorist Command Center or any of those people ARE jihadists, just putting it out there as innuendo with a question mark. Like Fox News does a couple dozen times a day.
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
1:17 pm
Religion and Politics go hand in hand. some people
are religiously political, others are politically religious.
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
1:40 pm
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
12:48 pm
Obama could easily answer questions about claimed foreign citizenship, but chose to spend large sums of money suppressing the info instead.
Ok, let me try another angle to make my point. How do you know that Obama spent large sums of money to suppress the info? What was that sum of money? Did Obama tell somebody that? Did his lawyer violate his client’s confidence? As far as I know, he isn’t required to release the application nor is required to divulge what he spends his money on. I think you have to “question the quesioner” before drawing conclusions or making insinuations.
Honu
August 23rd, 2010
1:49 pm
Bruno — will you please show me a copy of the cancelled check that President Obama wrote to assure his place of birth and school applications remain hidden? What’d he write on the For: ____________ (line?) “Pymt. to continue Muslim take over of America???” Dang. . .
Honu
August 23rd, 2010
1:52 pm
Don’t Forget — guess we both had the same reaction to that “large sums of money” post, at the same time!
AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
2:09 pm
That IS some good news, Bruno! Hang in there brother, your karma is good and good things will come of it…
That John Prine tune was great fun, expat. Thanks.
stands, don’t you feel just a little dirty being Jay’s equivalent of Grand Forks? (grin.)
What is humorous is how the gist of that conversation this morning was ballerina-ed away from the salient point of denouncing hateful, unprovoked, childish personal insults to “intolerance”.
Which yet again begs the quote from Dodgeball, “The five rules of dodgeball are dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge.”
Some of these folks are in DESPERATE need of some remedial logic classes…
gb
August 23rd, 2010
2:39 pm
I’m disturbed by the alleged proximity of the ‘gentleman’s club’ to the proposed not-mosque. Will the establishment of the ‘cultural center’ lead to demands to close down this small business?
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
2:46 pm
gb,
no I’m sure they won’t… but let’s talk about trying to build a “gentleman’s club” here in GA next to a church… oh I forgot…it’s against the law to do so. GA Talibangelical Code #433. No strip clubs next to churches.
I guess they wrote that law so that the pastor and his buddies, along with our state/county politicians would not be seen going to and leaving the strip club by their wives…
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
2:52 pm
Jefferson @ 12:33 There’s a big difference in dominating the world by force or voluntary persuasion. If you can’t see that, you’re beyond help.
Matti @ 12:40 Does it bother you that Jesus came as a “man” (since you say He had a wife), that “He was circumcized on the eighth day after the manner of the Jews”, that he chose 12 men for his inner circle, that He taught us to pray “Our Father” and not our mother and that He is coming back to reign forever and ever as “King” but not Queen ?
Worth and position are two different things. Men and women are of equal worth to God but He has given them different positions.
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
2:58 pm
Same way Christianity came to Europe… in many cases…by force. Matters not if it was yesterday or 1000 years ago. It’s a fact. It happened… see my detailed post from last week if you need the “proof”….
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
3:02 pm
Saul Good:
We live in the present. What you are saying is that it’s o.k. for Islam to use force when they can get away with it because of something that “supposedly” happened in the distant past.
That justifies the actions today? Not in my book.
Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
3:05 pm
No Scout…I’m saying it’s not okay for ANYBODY to use force to push their principles onto someone who does not want it. Either in the present or past. Just because something happened 10 years ago, or 1000 years ago…it does not make it okay. I mean in a 1000 years from now would you like it basically anyone who reads about or learns about the holocaust says: no biggie…it was a long time ago so it wasn’t that big a deal…
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
3:12 pm
Going Upstairs ……………. new thread.
HDB
August 23rd, 2010
3:53 pm
Bruno August 23rd, 2010
10:26 am
“The fact remains that Obama could have put all doubt to rest regarding his upbringing by releasing records from his childhood and college days.”
Up to this point, NO OTHER President or Presidential candidate has had to release records about his childhood and birth….and the academic records are public record. Why should Obama be put to a standard that no other President or candidate has had to face???
If the State of Hawai’i (which at last occurrance, IS a part of the United STATES) released his birth certificate….and the paper has a corresponding birth announcement, that’s enough corroboration for EVERYONE!!
HDB
August 23rd, 2010
3:57 pm
Scout August 23rd, 2010
3:02 pm
“Saul Good:
We live in the present. What you are saying is that it’s o.k. for Islam to use force when they can get away with it because of something that “supposedly” happened in the distant past.”
Hate to tell you this, Scout….but many are attempting to use “force” to get away with a lot of things these days; the force of law is used to move people out of their homes just to build a hotel……many are using the force of public opinion to keep a community cenbter from being built; many are using the force of the dollar to keep labor costs lower………
Force is being used every day; the question is who’s applying it…and who’s it being used against!!
Raven Gonzalez, Age 13-14
August 23rd, 2010
5:11 pm
People, you’re stupid.
Who cares?
It’s the President Obama!
No one cared if Bush were christian or not so why should we care if Obama is or not?
Seriously, give him a chance before you beat him down!
Yeah, you just got told by a thirteen year old to use your “commen sense”.
If you have any, that is.
Lexis Gonzalez, Age 10-11
August 23rd, 2010
5:13 pm
Hey i dont like bush!obama is great!
an dif u dont think thAT i dont give a care!!!
he is awesomer then bush
!
his name sounds weird……..xD
Anonymus Rex
August 23rd, 2010
5:19 pm
That the Republican party has a vested interest in keeping its base fat, dumb, ignorant, and wedged-issued against other Americans is incontrovertible. Anti-science; anti-public education; anti-nonchristian; the antii’s go on and on. It takes utterly no ideas or incentives to be against everything. Unfortunately that’s who they are.
ODDOWL
August 23rd, 2010
7:31 pm
Zionist, Christians and Muslins all worship the same Deity. They worship JHVH, Jehovah, Yahweh, Allah, The ancient Canaanite God of Darkness, the light bringer who utter the words; “Let their be Light.” The racist Neo-Con, Republican Tea party crowd Led by Mcconnell and Boehner are throwing bovine balderdash, talking points up against the wall. All of the big house middle class drones who vote Republican have grabbed ladders and are plucking the balderdash off the wall and placing it on the table for discussion and debate. Its nothing more than a diversionary tactic, a distraction becaue the racist neo-con Republican Tea party people don’t have a plan to fix what they screwed up. The Republican Tea party don’t have a plan to fix the economy, they still support deregulation, abolishing social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, unemployment insurance, bank bailouts and they are schizophrenia about cutting taxes on the riches 5% of the population. The Republican agenda is an anti Democrat agenda. They’re using racism, sexism, homophobic and zenophobic tactics in their attempts to destroy President Obama and the Democrats plan to save America from the incompetent failures of the Bush.Cheney Regime. The McConnell-Beohner led racist Republican Tea party are a toothless tiger with no power. They’re envious of and frustrated by the facts that the Democrats have all the power and a great plan to correct everything the McConnell-Boehner led racist Republican Tea party screwed up big time. The question on the table is; How could any non-rich American still fall for the Republican fear and smear, divide and conquer tactics ??? They must be very naive, ignorant, stupid and gullible because the racist Republicans have been using the fear and smear, divide and conquer tactics since Reagan begin using it thirty years ago. the non-rich Republicans are so gullible, we Democrats could sell them tractor-trailer truck loads of sand in the middle of the Sahara Desert. That ol’ pendulum is swinging towards the left. Americans will vote for the Democrats in large numbers on November 2. The racist Republican Tea party will have to find themselves a new shtick.
myke hawke
August 23rd, 2010
10:50 pm
Do day be teachin ebonics in Atlanta schools?
Quimarious Lantekee Jones
August 23rd, 2010
10:53 pm
I be representin that remark. You raciststs like that sac of prunes Cynthia Tucker.
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Hector
August 24th, 2010
11:38 am
20 years ago we were concern about the Digital Divide. This has morphed into the Media Moron Divide.
James Gollum Carville
August 24th, 2010
7:29 pm
Yes, Karl. But add some facts to your argument:
* Obama’s stimulus, passed in his first month in office, will cost more than the entire Iraq War — more than $100 billion (15%) more.
* Just the first two years of Obama’s stimulus cost more than the entire cost of the Iraq War under President Bush, or six years of that war.
* Iraq War spending accounted for just 3.2% of all federal spending while it lasted.
* Iraq War spending was not even one quarter of what we spent on Medicare in the same time frame.
* Iraq War spending was not even 15% of the total deficit spending in that time frame. The cumulative deficit, 2003-2010, would have been four-point-something trillion dollars with or without the Iraq War.
* The Iraq War accounts for less than 8% of the federal debt held by the public at the end of 2010 ($9.031 trillion).
* During Bush’s Iraq years, 2003-2008, the federal government spent more on education that it did on the Iraq War. (State and local governments spent about ten times more.)
Just some handy facts to recall during coming weeks as Obama and his congressional Democratic buddies get more desperate to put the blame for their spending policies on Bush and the war in Iraq.
See how easy that is?