Aug. 23, 2010: Just another day in Disinformationland
Pop culture critic Neal Gabler, writing in Politico, notes that more and more Americans — including 31 percent of Republicans — believe incorrectly that President Obama is Muslim. The finding offers still more evidence that we live today in what Gabler rather clunkily — but accurately — labels “Disinformationland.”
“With more of us attending college, we might even be smarter. But higher education rates and easier access to information have been undermined by what amounts to a vast and insidious revolutionary force – a kind of anti-Enlightenment in which facts yield to rumor, reason to uninformed opinion and objectivity to proudly declared subjectivity. We swim in a limitless sea of misinformation, even disinformation, without much inclination to separate truth from fiction…. The idea that there is such a thing as verifiable truth – like Obama being a Christian – is increasingly seen as elitist. It’s as if truth were yet another scheme by the powerful to impose their will on everyone else.”
I can remember a time when American conservatives argued vehemently that there could only be one truth, THE truth. It was a foundation stone in the conservative philosophy. The counter notion that truth was instead a relative concept, that one person’s concept of truth could be as valid as the next person’s, was dismissed as soft-headed liberalism. Sadly, that is now ancient history.
In too many quarters, truth today is personal, a set of “facts” that allow a person to keep believing whatever he or she prefers to believe. And if we each inhabit our own alternate reality, there is in fact no reality, only fantasy. I’m not sure that democracy as we have known it can survive that transition.
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Saul Good
August 23rd, 2010
10:46 am
Bruno? Are you saying NOBODY on earth knows where Obama went to school? It’s well documented. There are people who attended classes with him. As far as releasing every single grade and test he ever took… show me a president or candidate who ever has. I for one would LOVE to get a look at some grades…Bachmann’s, Palin’s, Tom Delay’s wqould have been pretty interesting as well.
Perhaps Broun (see my last post) can ask for a Constitutional Amendment that will require every single candidate running for Federal Office to provide all of their school records and test scores…from Kindergarten on up.
Just not sure WHY anyone would think that every school Obama attended is not documented. What more does one need?
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
10:47 am
“He’s taken away my health care, my country, and is working on my bank account. Those are some facts Jack.”
So, you no longer have health care? Did you move to another country because he made you, and he stole all your money?
Enough with the hyperbole – it’s Monday.
Gordon
August 23rd, 2010
10:48 am
What an important topic in these days of a failing economy and Iran about to go nuclear. Lots of people also believe Bush was part of or least knew about 9/11. Lots of people are stupid. This is not news.
Disgusted
August 23rd, 2010
10:49 am
What you want to bet that the people demanding to see Obama’s long-form birth certificate are the ones who fought hardest against the release of GWB’s military service records?
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
10:50 am
Bruno,
What specifics?
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
10:50 am
Arnold Schwarzenegger can never be President but
an Anchor Baby can. Will removing the 14th amendment
keep ALL babies born on US soil from automatically
being citizens? Clearly something needs adjusting but
CAREFULLY.
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
10:50 am
The truth exists independently of how you feel about it, what you hope it is, or what you “need” it to be in order to feel good about yourself, your choices, or your arguments. Furthermore, knowing the WHOLE truth about something is frequently not even possible, and knowing part of the truth does not mean you know all of it. Get over yourselves, people.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
10:52 am
Aug. 23, 2010: Just another day in Disinformationland
When you see that headline without the “column” that follows it seems like a pretty bad choice of wording for someone’s first effort on returning from vacation.
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
10:52 am
We’ve learned that the word of the day calender at sfb’s house says today’s word is doucebag.
I guess I could be more specific, but I’m not sure if that’s a Versace, or a Gucci, that Shirley MacLaine toted around the streets of Paree, back in the day. Anyone know?
Russ555
August 23rd, 2010
10:54 am
People believe different things because they have different life experiences, and are taught different things. Everyone has some bias or incorrect beliefs that they believe are true. Don’t think that has changed, or will ever change complety. It may be worse now with the internet and cable tv.
Harry Callahan
August 23rd, 2010
10:55 am
Hmmm….Disinformation land…do Dan Rather’s “fake but accurate” George W. Bush Texas Air Guard documents count?
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
10:55 am
sfb,
Whatever you tried to link to at 10:52 the site proprietor doesn’t like you hot linking so all I can get is a message that says forbidden.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
10:55 am
sfd,
I think that link is broke — it tells me it’s “forbidden.”
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
10:56 am
RW,
JINX!!
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
10:56 am
As for the whole “gorsh, why doesn’t the Uppity Illegal Alien Mongrel just clear it all up once and for all?” question, I give you:
http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/ten_questions_nobody_ever_asked_about_george_w_bush/
===============
1.) Where is George W. Bush’s real birth certificate?
2.) Was George W. Bush’s birth announcement planted in the paper to divert attention from his actual birth?
3.) What is George W. Bush’s Social Security Number?
4.) Does George W. Bush’s Social Security Number match the assignment pattern traditionally followed by Social Security Numbers?
5.) How did George W. Bush apply for financial aid in college?
6.) Where are George W. Bush’s MBA projects and papers?
7.) Is George W. Bush’s wife faithful to America?
8.) How did George W. Bush pay for any or all of his homes?
9.) Is George W. Bush secretly faithful to another religion?
10.) Why hasn’t George W. Bush given money to every single member of his extended family who’s having problems?
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
10:57 am
Bosch … Linkbada … the forbidden link …
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
10:57 am
I think that link is broke — it tells me it’s “forbidden.”
con-sarn it…
try this
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
10:58 am
Leg Lamp 10:44 The FBI, CIA, Secret Service,RNC,DNC and
all News Services looked at every breathing moment of
Barack Hussein Obama at the very least.
Don't forget
August 23rd, 2010
10:58 am
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
10:26 am
Bruno, did George W answer the claims the he knew about 9/11 before it happened???? Does the fact that he didn’t give credibility to those who made the assertion. I think that the argument that the issue isn’t addressed does NOTHING to add credibility to the assertion.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
10:59 am
Shirley MacLaine looking all surly is kind of…..nauseating. But my guess is Gucci!
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
11:00 am
Jay:
“I’m not sure that democracy as we have known it can survive that transition”
If there is no absolute truth, then it’s o.k. for your wife to be your property under Sharia Law.
That is why our democracy will not survive ……….. and it’s happening right here.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
11:01 am
Scout,
Did the monster under your bed tell you that Sharia Law is upon us here in this country? In what universe do you preside in where you think that will happen here? What a sad lonely place it must be in your head.
Vinny
August 23rd, 2010
11:02 am
Jay – Here you go – Obumbles states that America is a Muslim country -
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/9959057/Barack_Hussein_Obama_US_one_of_the_largest_Muslim_countries_in_the_world/
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
11:02 am
And yet even after irrefutable video evidence has been presented, the shape-shifting Cheney cult gets a free pass.
Dusty
August 23rd, 2010
11:06 am
So Jay stayed away two weeks just to get stoked up on DISINFORMATION. But he left already full of it.
And Bosch thought only puppies produced it!! Alas!! There’s more to come. This is a liberal blog. The day has just begun.
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
11:07 am
Uh oh…Biden got loose and is making a speech now. Prepare for an onslaught of youtube clips….
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
11:08 am
“Bruno? Are you saying NOBODY on earth knows where Obama went to school? It’s well documented. There are people who attended classes with him. As far as releasing every single grade and test he ever took… show me a president or candidate who ever has.”
“Bruno, What specifics?”
Bosch and Saul–Assuming that you are interested in honest dialogue, and not simply interested in dismissing anyone who questions Obama out of hand as being a “nutcase” ala Jay, there are legitimate questions regarding Obama’s school days that have nothing to do with which schools he attended or his grades.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/the-mystery-of-barack-obama-continues/
From the link:
“For example, Obama’s application to Punahou School – now mysteriously missing – would likely contain a birth certificate. And, according to attorney Gary Kreep, “his Occidental College records are important as they may show he attended there as a foreign exchange student.” Indeed, Obama used his Indonesian name “Barry Soetoro” while attending Occidental.”
“What’s more, there are questions about how he paid for his Harvard Law School education since, despite a claim by Michele Obama, no one has produced any evidence that he received student loans. The Obamas will not release any student loan details despite repeated requests from the Chicago Tribune. However, it appears that his Harvard education may have been paid for by a foreign source.”
Again, I personally don’t care if Obama claimed foreign citizenship while in school in order to get favorable consideration in terms of admission or financial aide. Sometimes we do what seems convenient at the moment, though it can come back later to bite us in the butt. The bigger concern is that he hasn’t been open and forthright dealing with the questions.
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
11:09 am
Scout,
I had a soldier ’splain to me that he’s bombing people over there so women like me won’t be forced to wear Burquas back here. Heh… You mean AMERICAN women? Hahaha! You’ve met us, right? First off, we’re armed. Second, we’re already ticked off most of the time because we work more for less money. We refuse to be subjugated, which is why most of us are divorced. Woe be it to the effer who tries to put US down (or our sisters….) We long ago stopped being eskeered of uppity men who think they’re superior. Watch Mad Men to see how far we’ve come in one generation. We’re not going back, not even in the name of ANY man’s version of “God.” Trust in THAT, Dude.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:10 am
It’s a first for first ladies: Michelle Obama and Laura Bush will appear together next month on the 9th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks in Shanksville, Pa., where United flight 93 went down after the crew and passengers fought back against terrorists.
So I guess Mrs. Bush will be there supporting the victims of the attacks while Mrs. Obama will be there supporting Islam.
DawgDad
August 23rd, 2010
11:11 am
“In too many quarters, truth today is personal, a set of “facts” that allow a person to keep believing whatever he or she prefers to believe. And if we each inhabit our own alternate reality, there is in fact no reality, only fantasy. I’m not sure that democracy as we have known it can survive that transition.”
There is no transition, Jay. Nothing has changed, this is human nature, it’s the same now as it always has been and always will be.
People’s individual reality is ALWAYS influenced by their perceptions, because everyone’s environment and perceptions are different (like “no two snowflakes are alike”). How is today’s media-influenced “personal truth” as you term it any different than the regional or local or clan or family fact-based “truths” of yesteryear, before advanced communications? This is so much rubbish, so off-base it’s sick.
There are simple experiments that will demonstrate to people their perception of what they perceive as “truth” ["reality", actually] is not always “the truth” or real; we did those in college and you can easily find them on-line if you’re interested. Pretty much everyone in the world with half a brain understands this. Point is, nothing new here, and no, conservatives are not inherently dangerous just because they don’t buy into your brainwash propaganda.
mike
August 23rd, 2010
11:12 am
If Jay wasn’t just a partisan hypocrite, he would note that 35% of Democrats think that Bush knew about 9/11 before hand. But then we all know about Jay.
I don’t think Obama is a Muslim, but which claim is more outlandish?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:13 am
mike
August 23rd, 2010
11:12 am
Maybe the question shouldn’t be “is Obama a moozlum”. Instead, maybe it should be “is Obama a Christian”.
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
11:13 am
I see that sensible conversation is going the way of the Model T. I’m out for a while…
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:13 am
matti – ohsweetjeebus … “he’s bombing people over there so women like me won’t be forced to wear Burquas back here”
that kind of stuff makes my eyes ache.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:14 am
Southern Comfort
August 23rd, 2010
11:13 am
Just where was it you hitched your horse and wagon?…..
mike
August 23rd, 2010
11:15 am
“Maybe the question shouldn’t be “is Obama a moozlum”. Instead, maybe it should be “is Obama a Christian”.”
I don’t really care what he is. All I care about are his policies.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:15 am
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:13 am
That, and a quart of whiskey.
Gator Joe
August 23rd, 2010
11:15 am
Once again, it shouldn’t matter whether the President is a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim, a Hindu, or an Atheist. It shouldn’t matter, except to those who are insecure. To be intolerant of others who are of different race, religion or culture is a conscious decision and morally wrong. To be truly “free”, is to be tolerant of those different from ourselves in terms of religion, culture, gender, and race.
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:16 am
“Maybe the question shouldn’t be “is Obama a moozlum”. Instead, maybe it should be “is Obama a Christian”.”
Neither one should be a question: “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
11:16 am
Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.
[...]
If Jay wasn’t just a partisan hypocrite, he would note that 35% of Democrats think that Bush knew about 9/11 before hand.
@@ and mike-y, sittin’ in a tree…
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
11:16 am
Bruno,
It’s not a mystery. It’s conspiracy theorists like the ones in that report who want it to be. As several posters have pointed out, the same could be said for any POTUS — so why is it important for Obama? I wouldn’t produce any personal information about myself unless it was required if I was in his shoes — why should he? Simply because it will answer questions from right wing conspiracy theorists is not a reason.
Richard
August 23rd, 2010
11:17 am
Bill Maher put it best: “More than half of Americans believe Christianity came before Judiasm which means people look at the “New Testament” and the “Old Testament” and can’t figure out which one came first.”
getalife
August 23rd, 2010
11:18 am
Welcome back to la la land Jay.
The cons just lie and call it debate.
We will move forward and they will be kicking and screaming the whole time like children.
timbo
August 23rd, 2010
11:18 am
You’re correct. Conservatives have given up on the idea that truth exists. They have embraced the idea that all truth is relative, as the far left has taught us for many years. Now we see the disastrous results. The far-left has won. Are you satisfied with your triumph?
The sug and pompous tone of the article is especially ironic and amusing as it seems the author wants to complain and insult conservatives, while at the same time he is a champion of left-wing relativism.
mm
August 23rd, 2010
11:18 am
“Yet, none of you is willing to answer any of the specific questions regarding Obama’s upbringing.”
“However, it appears that his Harvard education may have been paid for by a foreign source.”
They open their mouths and remove all doubt.
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
11:19 am
Matti 11:09 Did you participate in Topless Day yesterday.
This day is when women protest the LAW that forces them
to wear tops to cover their chest even though men may
go uncovered. Not far from Burquas.
I am a Jelly Doughnut
August 23rd, 2010
11:19 am
Jay, Bet you wish you could have stayed fishing. Disinformation is like the one that got away. It is the body politic, the media slant, the public image.
Even if O were Muslim, its okay for him to lie/be disinformative about it. This point is proven by many incidences in the life of Mohammed. He often lied and instructed his followers to do the same. He rationalized that the prospect of success in missions to extend Islam’s influence overrode Allah’s initial prohibitions against lying. One could almost argue tha Islam is built on lies at least that part that is not built on bloodshed.
stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
11:20 am
Bruno, have you actually, you know, looked around that “Western Journalism Center” website you’re citing as a serious resource? Check out their “Exclusive reports” topics page:
http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/
Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility Updated
Is Obama Stupid and Lazy?
Obama’s Broken Campaign Promise: Alex’s Story
Airing Harry Reid’s Dirty Laundry
Obama Surrounds Himself with the Most Extreme Appointees in American History
Is Obama A Closet Racist?
What is Obama’s Real Education Agenda?
The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues
List of properties and social security numbers associate with Barack Obama and family
Who Funds the Radical Left In America?
Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
Obama appoints Homosexual Propagandist to Education
…lordy.
back later, kids.
Bosch
August 23rd, 2010
11:20 am
Bruno,
Off to lunch with me sis…….we can continue later.
David S
August 23rd, 2010
11:20 am
Well, he certainly isn’t a Christian. You just don’t kill as many people as Obama has in these 3 wars, declare that you have the right to kill anyone, even american citizens without due process, continue the torture and illegal imprisonment of so many in Gitmo and elsewhere, order the killing of millions with brutal, illegal sanctions, and everything else he has and continues to do and are a Christian. Of course that means that Bush isn’t one either, but most everyone knows that.
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
11:21 am
“Bruno, did George W answer the claims the he knew about 9/11 before it happened???? Does the fact that he didn’t give credibility to those who made the assertion. I think that the argument that the issue isn’t addressed does NOTHING to add credibility to the assertion.”
DF–I understand your point: Some questions are too far-fetched to waste time answering. In the case of GWB’s supposed fore-knowledge of 9/11 (trumpeted by our own Cynthia McKinney), I don’t believe anyone ever produced any evidence to suggest that, and there are no “sealed records” which could definitively put the issue to rest. The questions regarding any claimed foreign citizenship on the part of Obama are a little different, however, since there ARE easily obtained records which could prove it one way or another. Rather than releasing those records, Obama has chosen to spend large sums of money to keep them sealed.
As stated above, I personally believe Obama was born in Hawaii, making him a US citizen, even if he or his parents claimed otherwise later while in school for financial reasons. That’s not the issue to me. The issue is his active stonewalling and lack of forthrightness. Kind of like his promises for “transparent governance” which went out the window when it came time to pass the health care bill.
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
11:22 am
Matti:
You are forgetting about all of the Muslim-American women (legal or illegal/citizen or not) who are here right now and the subjugation they are enduring ……………. on AMERICAN SOIL.
What do you plan to do about that?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:23 am
Richard
August 23rd, 2010
11:17 am
Bill Maher also called the moozlum pilots on 9/11 “heroes”. Good source you got going for you.
dw
August 23rd, 2010
11:24 am
Jay,
Yes, logic would say that if your dad (step-dad) was Muslim, and you attended a Muslim school in your formative years, that there is a 100% certainty you are not a Muslim. Well atleast in “lib” statistics it works that way.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:24 am
David S
August 23rd, 2010
11:20 am
So I guess Bill Clinton isn’t a Chrisitan either. After all, he only bombed the sh_t out of Bosnia. But no one probably died, right?
Dusty
August 23rd, 2010
11:25 am
Bruno,
What is the matter with you? Here you are suggesting sensible thought with a factual background and you expect sensible response?
Bookman IS back, you know. The GANG is here. This is the time for fun & games.. Whack-a-moley Conservatives Wholly is the only game allowed here. Now straighten up and stop this foolish bit of sensibility. Congress,the President and all Democrats are perfect! Aintcha heard?
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:26 am
leg lamp – 11:15 –
I have such a low tolerance, you can forget a quart, all it’d take is the fumes …
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:28 am
Someone will question the “Bull” Maher statement. My bad with “heroes”. Here’ s the actual quote:
“We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away,” said Bill Maher, the host of Politically Incorrect. “That’s cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it’s not cowardly.”
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
11:28 am
Scout,
I have not forgotten, and yes it makes me sick. Subjugation is not limited to Muslims, though. It exists in many religions and denominations to varying degrees. Ever spent any time in Utah? They consider themselves “old maids” with bleak futures if they’re not hitched and spitting out spawn by 21.
Aside from my current stance of being anti-organized religion (not anti-God, just anti-what MEN say about God), leading by example, and being honest with the youngsters in my realm, what do YOU think I could do?
harvey
August 23rd, 2010
11:28 am
I don’t care of he is Muslim or not. But, he refuses to attend the National Prayer Breakfast, he refuses to lay the wreath at Arlington, yet he finds time to host a Ramadan dinner, he spends taxpayer money to send a muslim cleric on a mission around the world, he uses NASA money to highlight the “accomplishments” of Muslims in technology, he disses Israel. Maybe he isn’t muslim, but he sure is supportive.
@@
August 23rd, 2010
11:29 am
Don’t forget”:
So basically what you’re saying is that 35% of Democrats are ridiculously absurd without any guidance?
I guess that’s ONE thing of which they can be proud.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:30 am
Another Bill Maher classic
HBO’s Bill Maher: “I thought when we elected a black president, we were going to get a black president. You know, this [BP oil spill] is where I want a real black president. I want him in a meeting with the BP CEOs, you know, where he lifts up his shirt where you can see the gun in his pants. That’s — (in black man voice) we’ve got a ‘motherfu**ing problem here?’ Shoot somebody in the foot.”
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:30 am
“Here’ s the actual quote:”
Thank you for admitting you are wrong that he called them heroes. He said they weren’t cowards. That’s not the same thing as being a hero.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:33 am
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:26 am
So if your “low tolerance” the same as “intolerance”? That DOES seem to be the word of the day.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:34 am
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:30 am
But good ol’ Harry Reid DID say the following:
“I don’t know how anyone of Hispanic heritage could be a Republican, OK,” Reid said, speaking to Latino supporters whose votes he needs to win re-election in November. “Do I need to say more?”
Can you imagine the uproar if a conservatice politician said something similar?
RW-(the original)
August 23rd, 2010
11:35 am
Kind of like his promises for “transparent governance” which went out the window when it came time to pass the health care bill.
Bruno,
You might want to check your timeline. That promise expired long before the health care debacle.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:36 am
16 years ago Harry sounded like he had a clue. Check it out.
(Harry Reid, Op-Ed, “Perspectives On Immigration,” Los Angeles Times, 8/10/94)
“Welfare, Food Stamps, Medical Care And Other Benefits … Were Not Meant To Entice Freeloaders And Scam Artists From Around The World” “”Our borders have overflowed with illegal immigrants placing tremendous burdens on our criminal justice system, schools and social programs,” Reid said. “The Immigration and Naturalization Service needs the ability to step up enforcement. “Our federal wallet is stretched to the limit by illegal aliens getting welfare, food stamps, medical care and other benefits often without paying any taxes. “Safeguards like welfare and free medical care are in place to boost Americans in need of short-term assistance. These programs were not meant to entice freeloaders and scam artists from around the world. “Even worse, Americans have seen heinous crimes committed by individuals who are here illegally,” Reid said.”
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
11:37 am
“As several posters have pointed out, the same could be said for any POTUS — so why is it important for Obama?”
Bosch–The citizenship question is important because it directly relates to his qualification to be President in the first place. This is different from Bush’s reluctance to release his military records out of fear of embarrassment. If Obama is the stand-up guy he keeps claiming to be, why would he spend so much money keeping the records sealed?
“Bruno, have you actually, you know, looked around that “Western Journalism Center” website you’re citing as a serious resource?”
Not at all, sfd. It was simply one of the first entries to pop up upon my google search. Even if it is a biased or non-credible organization, that doesn’t mean they cant raise some legitimate questions.
Again, guys and gals, my point this morning isn’t to throw my weight behind claims that Obama isn’t a US citizen, which is a requirement to become President. My point is to address Jay’s ugly and condescending charge that anyone who raises questions is guilty of distorting the truth. I feel that Obama’s active efforts to keep his records sealed is the real problem, which is different from him simply ignoring what he might think are crazy questions.
getalife
August 23rd, 2010
11:39 am
While Americans are arguing if the President is a Christian born in America or not, Karsai accuses us of funding the enemy. Graham, the new maverick, is ready to withdraw.
The economy will be weak until next year, still teetering on collapse. They need a warning label for eggs and cons with their no regulation ideology have eggs on their face again.
kayaker 71
August 23rd, 2010
11:39 am
Just wait until your friendly Congressman/woman starts campaigning for re-election on their voting record. Reminds me a famous Groucho Marx quote,” These are my principles”, Marx said,”and if you don’t like them, well, I have others”.
Scout
August 23rd, 2010
11:42 am
Matti:
The first thing you should do is to stop hating men. They have died by the hundreds of thousands since the founding of this country to ensure your personal freedom.
Then work as hard as you can (vote, argue, write editorials, etc.) to extract women from their psychological/religious bondage in this country.
P.S. May I ask if you are a Christian?
Midori
August 23rd, 2010
11:43 am
Looks like someone needs a little attention.
nope – that poster needs a LOT of attention.
I’m still trying to figure out why he/she/it is here DEMANDING people interact with him/her/it….
Bruno
August 23rd, 2010
11:44 am
“Bookman IS back, you know. The GANG is here. This is the time for fun & games.. Whack-a-moley Conservatives Wholly is the only game allowed here. Now straighten up and stop this foolish bit of sensibility. Congress,the President and all Democrats are perfect! Aintcha heard?”
LOL–I hear you, Dusty, though I’m sure that I’m guilty of the same behavior in my own ways. We’re all in this thing together, one way or another.
Best wishes to all, and special thanks again to USinUK. Love you, beautiful.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:44 am
kayaker – I love that quote – thanks for the laugh
Belinda
August 23rd, 2010
11:44 am
Thanks, Jay. Good blog. It’s scary.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:46 am
Midori
August 23rd, 2010
11:43 am
Uh oh, Midori is posting. Must mean she finally showed up at the workplace.
mike
August 23rd, 2010
11:46 am
“@@ and mike-y, sittin’ in a tree…”
Hey! Welcome back to preschool!
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
11:47 am
Scout My Dear Man,
I do not hate men. I ADORE men! A good many, in fact. (Perhaps too many?) Heh…. I have loved and married, borne and raised offspring, and dispensed tender loving nurturing care and compassion, healed wounds both inside and out, encouraged the discouraged, praised, cheered, and lifted them up — all my life and even still, and quite often to men from whom I know I’ll get no meaningful reward nor reciprocation. Just because a woman won’t lie down with a boot on her throat does not mean she hates men! My dear dear dear Scout. ***smooooooooch!***
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
11:50 am
G’morning, USinUK!
“ohsweetjeebus … “he’s bombing people over there so women like me won’t be forced to wear Burquas back here”
that kind of stuff makes my eyes ache.”
It’s that kind of stuff makes me laugh!!!
….. then bang my head against a wall….
Doggone/GA
We can keep repeating Article VI, but it ain’t gonna make a difference –
getalife
[We will move forward and they will be kicking and screaming the whole time like children.]
Well, today is the first day of school in some parts of the country -
Hillbilly Deluxe
August 23rd, 2010
11:50 am
With more of us attending college, we might even be smarter
Attending college makes you more educated but not necessarily smarter. There is more accumulated knowledge now but humans are no more or less smart than they ever were.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:50 am
Matti
August 23rd, 2010
11:47 am
Ewww. Have you been reading a Harlequin Romance Novel?
Paul
August 23rd, 2010
11:51 am
Hi Midori!!!
getalife
August 23rd, 2010
11:51 am
Instead of fighting for health care for the heroes of 9/11, cons chose to hate a old run down burlington coat factory building.
Weiner was right when he screamed shame but the shame gene is another gene missing in their dna.
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:52 am
“We can keep repeating Article VI, but it ain’t gonna make a difference –”
Yeah but it’s fun to see how often quoting it stops that “conversation” cold!
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:53 am
getalife
August 23rd, 2010
11:51 am
A lot of 9-11 first responders are against the mosque as well. Just how do you label them?
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:53 am
Matti – psssst … if a woman dares say anything even remotely feminist, it is because they hate men. didn’t you get the memo?
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:54 am
“Just how do you label them?”
Misguided
barking frog
August 23rd, 2010
11:54 am
Scout, Islamic law, in some instances is liberal with women, in that
temporary marriages for money are allowed. I wonder if that means
20 minutes for 20 dollars.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:55 am
paul – 11:50 –
that, too
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:56 am
“Matti – psssst”
I don’t know about Mattie, but I’ve had that memo pasted on my mirror since I was 17
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:56 am
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:54 am
So the first responders who risked life and limb, those who lost family and friends, those who experienced 9-11 first hand are “misguided” because they don’t share your opinion. To paraphrase the late great Art Linkletter, “libs say the darndest things”.
getalife
August 23rd, 2010
11:56 am
I label them cons silly.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:56 am
“A lot of 9-11 first responders are against the mosque as well. ”
which is why it’s fortunate that our constitutional rights aren’t up for the popular vote.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:58 am
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:56 am
Were post-it notes invented in 1934?
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:59 am
“first hand are “misguided” because they don’t share your opinion”
Nope, they’re misguided because they don’t understand the principles on which this country was founded…as embodied in our Constitution. Being heroes doesn’t make them immune from criticism when they are misguided.
USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
11:59 am
doggone –
believe in equal pay for equal work? you hate men.
believe that birth control should be included in basic insurance coverage? you hate men.
believe that women aren’t stupid and don’t need a 24-hour waiting period before terminating a pregnancy? you hate men.
believe that woman should have equal access to university sports scholarships? you REALLY hate men.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
11:59 am
Doggone/GA
August 23rd, 2010
11:59 am
Gee, if they’d only sit at your feet and learn.
getalife
August 23rd, 2010
12:00 pm
So cons, what label do you give the heroes supporting our Constitution?
rlooie
August 23rd, 2010
12:02 pm
Disinformation like:
It’s all GWB’s fault or
Obamacare will cut the deficit or
If you don’t agree with BO you must be a racist or
if you are against illegal immigration you are a xenophobic racist or
Liberals know what’s good for you better than you do or
Nancy Pelosi is NOT an insane moron.
That was easy, I could keep going.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.
August 23rd, 2010
12:02 pm
getalife
August 23rd, 2010
12:00 pm
I wasn’t assigning labels. Your fellow libs were.