Aug. 23, 2010: Just another day in Disinformationland

Pop culture critic Neal Gabler, writing in Politico, notes that more and more Americans — including 31 percent of Republicans — believe incorrectly that President Obama is Muslim. The finding offers still more evidence that we live today in what Gabler rather clunkily — but accurately — labels “Disinformationland.”

“With more of us attending college, we might even be smarter. But higher education rates and easier access to information have been undermined by what amounts to a vast and insidious revolutionary force – a kind of anti-Enlightenment in which facts yield to rumor, reason to uninformed opinion and objectivity to proudly declared subjectivity. We swim in a limitless sea of misinformation, even disinformation, without much inclination to separate truth from fiction…. The idea that there is such a thing as verifiable truth – like Obama being a Christian – is increasingly seen as elitist. It’s as if truth were yet another scheme by the powerful to impose their will on everyone else.”

I can remember a time when American conservatives argued vehemently that there could only be one truth, THE truth. It was a foundation stone in the conservative philosophy. The counter notion that truth was instead a relative concept, that one person’s concept of truth could be as valid as the next person’s, was dismissed as soft-headed liberalism. Sadly, that is now ancient history.

In too many quarters, truth today is personal, a set of “facts” that allow a person to keep believing whatever he or she prefers to believe. And if we each inhabit our own alternate reality, there is in fact no reality, only fantasy. I’m not sure that democracy as we have known it can survive that transition.

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Normal

August 23rd, 2010
7:30 am

I still say I would rather the President be an agnostic…

Finn McCool

August 23rd, 2010
7:30 am

It’s not a personal alternate reality that the conservatives are living in; it’s a Fox News, Glenn Beck, Shawn Hannity alternate reality.

What a cult.

Normal

August 23rd, 2010
7:31 am

WHOA! First on JAY’S FIRST DAY BACK!!!

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
7:43 am

(golf clap for Normal for firsties!)

“In too many quarters, truth today is personal, a set of “facts” that allow a person to keep believing whatever he or she prefers to believe”

it’s the echo chamber, Jay … people watch the news that echos their belief (hellooooooo FOX!), then seek out the blogs that echo their belief (helllooooooo Red State / Atlas Shrugged / LGF), so that they can justify their belief …

Paul

August 23rd, 2010
7:44 am

“higher education rates and easier access to information ”

Higher education without learning critical thinking.

Easier access to information to support our biases.

Unwillingness to change one’s opinion so as to not appear weak or be subject to ridicule.

An attitude of ‘defend my side and condemn the other side’ no matter what the facts show.

I agree, it’s a transition in need of a course correction.

Rush Limbaugh is a big fat liar

August 23rd, 2010
7:49 am

What more can one expect from Infotainment. The one who yells the loudest is always right Jay.

There is a good piece in the NYT that clearly tells about the whole silly “mosque” thing. Did you know that the same terrorists that are funding the non-mosque are supporting Rupert Murdock’s disinformation conglomerate to a tune of 3 billion a year? Look for it on the most emailed/viewed link.

It is the old “look over there” tactic they use when trying to bamboozle the stupid public, ie extending tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans. If everyone is incensed about the non mosque they might not notice that the rich are getting their wishes while the middle class is screwed again.

jt

August 23rd, 2010
7:51 am

Here’s some truth. Cut and dry.

The corrupt federal government is choking our culture and stealing your wealth.

And porno-scanning your children at airports.

Karl Rove

August 23rd, 2010
7:51 am

But surely you must admit that if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.

For example: Ronald Reagan single-handedly brought down the Soviet Union;
or Cutting Taxes always increases government revenue;
or All liberals hate America;
or Democratic deficits are bad, bur GOP deficits are good.

See how easy that is?

AmVet

August 23rd, 2010
7:56 am

I can remember a time when American conservatives argued vehemently that there could only be one truth, THE truth.

Yet another arrow in the side of this supposed conservatism. As practiced by the vast majority of today’s Republicans, it is anything but. In fact, many times it is the very antithesis of American conservatism. Perhaps the horribly botched invasion of Iraq is the perfect metaphor.

All hat and no cattle.

“I have always strenuously supported the right of every man to his own opinion, however different from mine. He who denies another this right makes a slave of himself to this present opinion because he precludes himself the right of changing it.” ~Thomas Paine 1783

Good morning Paul, aka Blog Destroyer. Remind me to stay in your good graces…

Finn McCool

August 23rd, 2010
7:58 am

The corrupt federal government is choking our culture and stealing your wealth.

umm, the federal government didn’t walk out with 60% of my 401(k), that would be hedge fund managers and unscrupulous mortgage bankers.

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
7:58 am

Karl – you forgot – Al Gore said he invented the internet and the CRA destroyed the economy

Paul

August 23rd, 2010
7:59 am

Good Morning, AmVet!

Did you know, if a Reaper (Predator follow-on) is cruising at 30,000 feet, you can’t even see it?

:-)

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
8:00 am

“corrupt federal government is choking our culture ”

what does that MEAN???

ballerinas and playwrites are being garrotted in the street?

Bob

August 23rd, 2010
8:00 am

Karl, I agree, dems blame reagan for debt but dems passed their own budgets when he was in office, but they repeat it enough that most on this thread believe it. As far as Obo being muslim, he gave the doubters plenty of ammo. When he said we were not a christian nation but really a muslim nation, some took offense. Many don’t understand that he was just kissing muslim rearend when he made that statement.
Obo should just show some clips of him sitting in the pews of rev wrights church and listen to the inclusive christian sermons he loved so.

Finn McCool

August 23rd, 2010
8:00 am

Karl – you forgot – Al Gore said he invented the internet and the CRA destroyed the economy

along with poor people and homeless people getting mortgage loans they couldn’t repay. Hehe

Finn McCool

August 23rd, 2010
8:02 am

When he said we were not a christian nation but really a muslim nation

BINGO!

Bob

August 23rd, 2010
8:04 am

speaking of disinformed, did anyone catch the interview where Barney Frank says putting people in homes that they cannot afford was wrong and he would like to see Fannie and Freddie shut down within a year ? Whats he smokin, we only need to dump a few hundred billion more into these GSE’s and then everything will be fine.

AmVet

August 23rd, 2010
8:05 am

Too many italics, in my above post. I trust you can decipher.

One off topic story this morning.

Yesterday for the first time in seven plus years I went golfing. A nice track up in Canton. And even though it was blistering hot I was stoked just ob back playing again, especially with what happened on number five – a 136-yard par 3. I hit a perfect nine iron that came down three feet directly left of the pin and then stated tracking right for it! It came to rest two inches of being an ace. Only by the length of one of those little golf pencils did I miss getting my name on a plaque and being the come back kid of the year!

Good times and now I’m motivated to get back out there some more. AFTER it cools down some…

Jay

August 23rd, 2010
8:05 am

Bob, the total budget that Congress passed each year under Reagan contained almost exactly the amount of money that Reagan had requested from Congress as president. That is historical, documentable fact, as uneasy as it may make you.

You also write:

“As far as Obo being muslim, he gave the doubters plenty of ammo. When he said we were not a christian nation but really a muslim nation, some took offense.”

When did Obama say that? Quote please. Otherwise, some might conclude that you too were making up facts to justify your beliefs.

Southern Comfort

August 23rd, 2010
8:06 am

Jay

That all too often happens on both sides of the political spectrum. What else would you expect from a country that has the attention span of a gnat’s @ss? It’s the result of living in an ADHD, instant gratification, soundbite fueled pseudo-news society.

Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge – Horace Mann

Normal

August 23rd, 2010
8:07 am

I don’t know if this will work, but if it does, Scroll down to Kabuki Democracy…very interestung…

http://www.thenation.com/sites/default/files/nation20100830.pdf

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
8:09 am

Finn – 8:02 … it’s too early in the week for me to start banging my head on my keyboard …

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:10 am

How could people possibly think Obama’s a moozlum? Hmm, let’s look back at this NYT article from 2007:

“I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, http://www.nytimes.com/ontheground). He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

Moreover, Mr. Obama’s own grandfather in Kenya was a Muslim. Mr. Obama never met his grandfather and says he isn’t sure if his grandfather’s two wives were simultaneous or consecutive, or even if he was Sunni or Shiite. (O.K., maybe Mr. Obama should just give up on Alabama.)

Southern Comfort

August 23rd, 2010
8:11 am

UnU

You forget, they feel the need to make up for the two weeks of not being able to post stuff like that. Get ready for the onslaught, and pad your keyboard, desk, or for that matter, the entire room.

Finn McCool

August 23rd, 2010
8:11 am

Barney Frank says putting people in homes that they cannot afford was wrong and he would like to see Fannie and Freddie shut down within a year ?

It takes a backbone to admit you might have been wrong – that’s what truly scares the conservatives. The right disagreed with Frank when he was supporting Fannie and Freddie but now they take offense when he says he was wrong.

Jay

August 23rd, 2010
8:12 am

SoCo, I’d disagree with you about the cause. I don’t think it’s an attention-span problem, I think it’s a willful decision by people to actively seek out only those things that confirm their belief system. Yes, technology has contributed by making it easier to create your own version of reality, but the initial instinct to do that comes from the individual.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:12 am

Try this.

“Whatever we once were, we’re no longer a Christian nation. At least not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, and a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers,” Obama said during a June 2007 speech available on YouTube.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:14 am

Let’s do a fact check. Let’s see how many fewer posters Cynthia gets now that Jay is back. Her numbers will drop faster than Obama’s.

I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 23rd, 2010
8:14 am

Aahhh, the lib has come back from his rest all muddled and confused-

… he continues to openly praise Islam; he bows to Muslim leaders; he claims that the Muslim call to prayer is “the most beautiful sound in the world;” he regularly quotes from the Koran and cites it for directing his life; …

In the past year alone he made a big deal out of hosting a celebratory dinner to open the month of Ramadan — held in the state dining room; he refused to attend the 100th anniversary of the Boy Scouts (an avowed Christian organization), and, refused to attend the National Day of Prayer because he claimed to do so would be offensive to non-Christians.

Now, if one were to reasonably deduce the faith of another, also considering that the another “didn’t pay attention” in church for twenty years and hasn’t gone to a service since being elected, what in the hell is kookman talking about?????

Jay

August 23rd, 2010
8:15 am

Leg Lamp, surely you’d agree that the quote you cited is quite different from the quote as paraphrased by Bob.

stands for decibels

August 23rd, 2010
8:16 am

there could only be one truth, THE truth. It was a foundation stone in the conservative philosophy. The counter notion that truth was instead a relative concept, that one person’s concept of truth could be as valid as the next person’s, was dismissed as soft-headed liberalism.

Yep. Moral relativism. The root of all rot, the catch-all excuse for grotesque belief in political dogma and adherence to the articles of faith.

Union

August 23rd, 2010
8:17 am

its not so much disinformation as it is his actions. as much as obama has been an utter and complete failure.. people will never admit it.

stands for decibels

August 23rd, 2010
8:17 am

“Whatever we once were, we’re no longer a Christian nation. At least not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, and a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers,”

What kind of a douchebag has a problem with that?

Finn McCool

August 23rd, 2010
8:17 am

More on the point that conservatives fear a politician or a leader with a backbone:

– Ronald Reagan blaming big government as the problem and then raising taxes.

– George Bush 1 saying “read my lips, no new taxes”, and then raising taxes. (But they derided Dukakis for saying he would have to raise taxes.)

– Republican Congress 1994-2006 claiming to be the fiscal conservative party while expanding government the whole time.

Conservatives can’t handle the truth!

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
8:17 am

Normal – for you … something to brighten your no-good-very-bad-Monday

http://www.wimp.com/babymoose

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
8:18 am

dB – evidently, his name is Bob …

stands for decibels

August 23rd, 2010
8:19 am

About Bob’s post @ 8.00:

1) Reagan’s submitted budgets ran in the red.

2) The only “ammo” President Obama gave the racist PsOS who call him “muslim” was his apparently poor choice of parents

3) President Obama never said anything even remotely like “we’re not a Christian nation, but a Muslim one,” and to claim he did is to deliberately lie about the point he was making

4) One can be about 98% confident that anyone who continues to go to the “Rev. Wright” well knows nothing about the actual Rev. Wright, his “GD America” sermon, or the denomination to which Trinity United Church of Christ is a part.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:19 am

Good thing the left doesn’t have “extremists”, right?

Brad Pitt ‘willing to look at the death penalty’ against BP culprits…

If The Profit Fits

August 23rd, 2010
8:19 am

Just another day in disinformationland. Yep, I guess it is since Jay has new blog.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:19 am

Playing the game, playing the game……

Louisiana fishermen net more cash working for BP…

Southern Comfort

August 23rd, 2010
8:19 am

Jay

I think it is the attention span. Pay attention just long enough to hear something to confirm your beliefs, and then just shut everything else out. Not too many people take the time out to research things for themselves anymore. Part of the problem that led to that is the homogenization (if that’s a word) and distortion of news information.

For some, it may be a willful decision, but for many, I think it’s just laziness. That laziness is what the politicans feed on and fuel it with their soundbites. The media, both left and right, have sensationalized those soundbites for ratings which, in turn, led to the disappearing attention span. You could say it’s the dumbing down of America.

larry

August 23rd, 2010
8:20 am

Meanwhille , back in Iraq…………………

Nothing says democracy like good ole fashion porn………

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/in-porn-a-story-597305.html

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
8:20 am

SoCo – 8:11 … see my post to Normal at 8:17 … I get the feeling I’ll be referring back to that video as a means of therapy over the course of the week if this kind of “truth” continues …

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:21 am

stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
8:17 am

Very classy. You leftists always do seem to be above the name calling games.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:22 am

I really don’t think I need to add anything to this one. It’s self explanatory.

Justice Department Seeks Ebonics Experts…

stands for decibels

August 23rd, 2010
8:23 am

Conservatives can’t handle the truth!

I wouldn’t go that far. I just think, as currently configured, respectable conservatives have an astonishing tolerance for lies, and say nothing about those in their midst who routinely tell them.

Normal

August 23rd, 2010
8:23 am

Thanks, USinUK,

That put a smile on my face… :)

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:23 am

More “disinformation”, right?

Forget Bush. Obama now blames poor job situation on Congress…

stands for decibels

August 23rd, 2010
8:23 am

Very classy.

You mean like posting under that screen name at Cynthia Tucker’s?

Union

August 23rd, 2010
8:24 am

if obama had not of said he was muslim… this would not be an issue..its not my fault obama doesnt know who he is..

Finn McCool

August 23rd, 2010
8:25 am

Leg lamp is trying desperately to change the subject! Wonder why?

hehehe

Jimmy62

August 23rd, 2010
8:25 am

The alternative is that he really did spend 20 years listening to sermons preaching hatred of the white man. Are you telling me you think he spent 20 years listening to Jeremiah Wright hating whitey, and you don’t think it rubbed off on him?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:26 am

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:27 am

stands for decibels

August 23rd, 2010
8:23 am

Did I call her a douchebag?

Union

August 23rd, 2010
8:27 am

ahh.. credit card reform kicked in on sunday.. no more nasty penalties from cc companies.. well.. except for the issue that interest rates are higher than they have been in 9 years and headed up… gee.. didnt see that one coming..

Finn McCool

August 23rd, 2010
8:27 am

So jimmy, Rev Wright preached against whitey for 20 years? That would be 1,040 sermons just on the evil of the white man?

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:29 am

Finn McCool

August 23rd, 2010
8:25 am

I’m not “desperately to change the subject!” Instead, I’m just providing more illustrations of life in disinformationland.

Finn McCool

August 23rd, 2010
8:29 am

Union, your mama should of taught you not to carry a balance on your credit card. If you play, you gotta pay.

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
8:29 am

leg lamp … um … what’s your problem with your 8:22?

the rest of the article says: In addition to the nine Ebonics experts, the DEA’s Atlanta office also requires linguists for eight other languages, including Spanish (144 linguists needed); Vietnamese (12); Korean (9); Farsi (9); and Jamaican patois (4). The Atlanta field division, one of the DEA’s busiest, is the only office seeking linguists well-versed in Ebonics. Overall, the “majority of DEA’s language requirements will be for Spanish originating in Central and South America and the Caribbean,” according to one contract document.

if they can’t understand the phone calls they’re bugging, then they’re rather useless, doncha think?

Saul Good

August 23rd, 2010
8:30 am

Frank Rich summed it up perfectly the other day in his column (about the “misinformation machine” grinding away constantly on the right)… it all comes down to non issues they can use to create fear, and then rile up their base. I 100% that the very reason WHY they consistently bring up these non-issues and turn them into something HUGE (again with added “fear” sprinkled on top of their misinformation) is because when it comes down to the IMPORTANT issues like the economy and creating jobs…they have NO POSITIONS. They can stomp about “tax cuts” and tax breaks all they want…but those Bush tax cuts are STILL active… so what do they want to do? Cut them even more and add MORE to the deficit? Nah…it would be too easy to rip apart when the REAL debates start. Debating about religion and stirring up even more fear and “hate” in their party for Muslims works better for the party of “nothing”… not a plan in sight…

From Frank’s column the other day:

“THE “ground zero mosque,” as you may well know by now, is not at ground zero. It’s not a mosque but an Islamic cultural center containing a prayer room. It’s not going to determine President Obama’s political future or the elections of 2010 or 2012. Still, the battle that has broken out over this project in Lower Manhattan — on the “hallowed ground” of a shuttered Burlington Coat Factory store one block from the New York Dolls Gentlemen’s Club — …”

OOPS…trying opening up one of THOSE across the street from your Church…

more…

“…We owe thanks to Justin Elliott of Salon for the single most revealing account of this controversy’s evolution. He reports that there was zero reaction to the “ground zero mosque” from the front-line right or anyone else except marginal bloggers when The Times first reported on the Park51 plans in a lengthy front-page article on Dec. 9, 2009. The sole exception came some two weeks later at Fox News, where Laura Ingraham, filling in on “The O’Reilly Factor,” interviewed Daisy Khan, the wife of the project’s organizer, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf. Ingraham gave the plans her blessing. “I can’t find many people who really have a problem with it,” she said. “I like what you’re trying to do.”

As well Ingraham might. Rauf is no terrorist. He has been repeatedly sent on speaking tours by the Bush and Obama State Departments alike to promote tolerance in Arab and Muslim nations. As Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic reported last week, Rauf gave a moving eulogy at a memorial service for Daniel Pearl, the Wall Street Journal reporter murdered by Islamist terrorists in Pakistan, at the Manhattan synagogue B’nai Jeshurun. Pearl’s father was in attendance. The Park51 board is chock-full of Christians and Jews. Perhaps the most threatening thing about this fledgling multi-use community center, an unabashed imitator of the venerable (and Jewish) 92nd Street Y uptown, is its potential to spawn yet another coveted, impossible-to-get-into Manhattan private preschool.

In the five months after The Times’s initial account there were no newspaper articles on the project at all. It was only in May of this year that the Rupert Murdoch axis of demagoguery revved up, jettisoning Ingraham’s benign take for a New York Post jihad. The paper’s inspiration was a rabidly anti-Islam blogger best known for claiming that Obama was Malcolm X’s illegitimate son. Soon the rest of the Murdoch empire and its political allies piled on, promoting the incendiary libel that the “radical Islamists” behind the “ground zero mosque” were tantamount either to neo-Nazis in Skokie (according to a Wall Street Journal columnist) or actual Nazis (per Newt Gingrich).

These patriots have never attacked the routine Muslim worship services at another site of the 9/11 attacks, the Pentagon. Their sudden concern for ground zero is suspect to those of us who actually live in New York. All but 12 Republicans in the House voted against health benefits for 9/11 responders just last month. Though many of these ground-zero watchdogs partied at the 2004 G.O.P. convention in New York exploiting 9/11, none of them protested that a fellow Republican, the former New York governor George Pataki, so bollixed up the management of the World Trade Center site that nine years on it still lacks any finished buildings, let alone a permanent memorial….”

You can read the rest here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/opinion/22rich.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=opinion

I’m sure those on the right won’t read it…but as usual..will still have MUCH to say about it.

Southern Comfort

August 23rd, 2010
8:30 am

I saved that to my favorites UnU…

Are you telling me you think he spent 20 years listening to Jeremiah Wright hating whitey, and you don’t think it rubbed off on him?

Are you telling me that you think Rev. Wright spent every Sunday for 20 years preaching the same sermon? If you make your determination of a preacher off of a few soundbites, why are there not many calling Jerry Falwell a crook. Wasn’t he the one who G*d was gonna strike down if he didn’t raise enough money one time?

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
8:30 am

“your mama should of taught you not to carry a balance on your credit card”

financial education – (or the lack of it) – that’s SADLY lacking in most US households.

Paul

August 23rd, 2010
8:30 am

Union

Source?

stands for decibels

August 23rd, 2010
8:31 am

Are you telling me you think he spent 20 years listening to Jeremiah Wright hating whitey,

Rev. Wright never instructed his flock to “hate whitey.”

His “GD America” sermon, whose 15-second soundbite was re-played for weeks on end in the spring of 2008, covered ground about this nation’s culpability for misdeeds that has been covered by preachers on the left, right, and center for as long as there’s been a US of A.

(I do not agree with the sentiments expressed in the sermon, but only because I do not believe in the sort of vengeful, nasty God so popular with many monotheistic religious believers.)

Union

August 23rd, 2010
8:32 am

@finn.. i dont.. amex and a credit union visa for backup.. no annual fee.. (except on the amex) just pointing out.. everything the dems have touched lately has turned to coal.. what we need is a cc system where we can buy stuff and not have to pay for it.. have someone else pay for it… oops.. we already have that in federal employees.. lol

godless heathen

August 23rd, 2010
8:33 am

Most of these “__% of Americans believe” polls are pure bunk. Why do they think what they think? Do they go out and talk to the newsmakers, do their own research, find their own facts? No. They form their beliefs based on the information provided to them.

I love it when the MSM feeds a line to the people for 2 or 3 weeks and then conduct a poll to see how gullible the peeps were.

When the disinformation machines were limited to NBC, CBS, ABC and the AP it was a lot easier to control the message.

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
8:33 am

btw, Jay … appropos to absolutely nothing whatsoever …

if you haven’t seen Crazy Heart, RUN, do not walk, to rent it.

seriously good.

Union

August 23rd, 2010
8:33 am

paul.. source for which? cc interest or obama?

Southern Comfort

August 23rd, 2010
8:33 am

dB

You know that… I know that… But it appears not everyone understands that. Thanks for posting your 8:31

Paul

August 23rd, 2010
8:34 am

Union

My 8:30 referred to “Obama said he was a Muslim.”

USinUK

“Ebonics experts, the DEA’s Atlanta office also requires linguists for eight other languages, (emphasis added) ”

DEA takes the position Ebonics is a language? Or was that a copywriter’s interpretation?

stands for decibels

August 23rd, 2010
8:35 am

Did I call her a douchebag?

No, worse.

And you lie a lot, which is beyond not-classy, and beyond douchebaggery, and well into evil.

Later, kids. The truth is out there, even though our pansy-ass media are oftimes too skeered to go up against the powerful assignment editors Pamela Geller, Matt Drudge and Rush Limbaugh.

stephen

August 23rd, 2010
8:35 am

I read somewhere the term “Managed Ignorance”. Not as catchy as “Fair and Balanced” but hey, it seems to be working.

NowReally

August 23rd, 2010
8:36 am

I’m really glad you are back Jay, you were truly missed these last two weeks.

People believe our President is Muslim, because they only believe what they want to believe. It doesn’t matter that the truth proves otherwise. It’s like when I was a child and someone stated that it has to be TRUE because their mom or dad said SO; they couldn’t believe that their parents were just idiots.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:37 am

stands for decibels
August 23rd, 2010
8:35 am

You say I lie? Moi? Please, do provide instances. You leftzis (yes, I guess I can do the name calling thing) seem good at distributing misinformation.

AmVet

August 23rd, 2010
8:38 am

Speaking of Cynthia’s blog.

If you want to see the right wing at it’s finest go there for awhile.

Yes, of course there are some reasoned and reasonable bloggers there, but overall the “conservative” venom is absolutely palpable. Every day, she gets numerous drive-bys with the most hateful garbage written. Most of it about her personally. Throw in the semi-deranged, childish regulars who also spend much of the day personally insulting anybody who dares disagree with them, and who have little command of the facts, and it is a veritable hatefest of ignorance. I’m absolutely convinced that if something we’re to happen to her, the James Earl Rays over there would party for a month. All in all, a disgusting gang.

Kyle’s is a bit different. Yes the filth that passes for right-winger thought is proudly on daily display there as well. But the entrenched are excessively protective. How many times did various cretins there tell us Bookman refugees to get the hell out? Fiercely bigoted and intolerant. And of course, puerile. Even Paul was flamed by one of the loons.

All headed by the serailly banned and new de facto King of Right Wing Sleaze – Grandly Forked. Talk about pathetic! Wow. In his present condition, he reminds me of the Gollum character in Tolkien. Twisted and repulsive, but strangely, it is sometimes hard to take your eyes off of him. And yes it is even possible to pity him.

In summary, it is so nice to have a blog NOT clogged up with such trash, such as the filthy right winger that caused Paul to use the Nuclear Option, and send us into the blogging wilderness.

In other words Jay, thanks…

Finn McCool

August 23rd, 2010
8:39 am

union wrote: everything the dems have touched lately has turned to coal.

So, raising credit card fees, an action that might get many to rethink the use of debt for non-essential spends, is a bad idea?

You aren’t a fiscally-conservative conservative?

Are you one of the conservatives who, over the past two years, has been harping on people who can’t afford credit like mortgages, etc, getting credit and then defaulting and supposedly that is what got us in this economic predicament?

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
8:40 am

Paul – from the same article:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/justice-department-seeks-ebonics-experts

In contract documents, which are excerpted here, Ebonics is listed among 114 languages for which prospective contractors must be able to provide linguists. The 114 languages are divided between “common languages” and “exotic languages.” Ebonics is listed as a “common language” spoken solely in the United States.

Ebonics has widely been described as a nonstandard variant of English spoken largely by African Americans. John R. Rickford, a Stanford University professor of linguistics, has described it as “Black English” and noted that “Ebonics pronunciation includes features like the omission of the final consonant in words like ‘past’ (pas’ ) and ‘hand’ (han’), the pronunciation of the th in ‘bath’ as t (bat) or f (baf), and the pronunciation of the vowel in words like ‘my’ and ‘ride’ as a long ah (mah, rahd).”

Detractors reject the notion that Ebonics is a dialect, instead considering it a bastardization of the English language.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:40 am

AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
8:38 am

You said “childish regulars who also spend much of the day personally insulting anybody who dares disagree with them”. Do you read “stands for decibels” posts very often?

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
8:42 am

Paul –

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/justice-department-seeks-ebonics-experts

In contract documents, which are excerpted here, Ebonics is listed among 114 languages for which prospective contractors must be able to provide linguists. The 114 languages are divided between “common languages” and “exotic languages.” Ebonics is listed as a “common language” spoken solely in the United States.

Ebonics has widely been described as a nonstandard variant of English spoken largely by African Americans. John R. Rickford, a Stanford University professor of linguistics, has described it as “Black English” and noted that “Ebonics pronunciation includes features like the omission of the final consonant in words like ‘past’ (pas’ ) and ‘hand’ (han’), the pronunciation of the th in ‘bath’ as t (bat) or f (baf), and the pronunciation of the vowel in words like ‘my’ and ‘ride’ as a long ah (mah, rahd).”

Detractors reject the notion that Ebonics is a dialect, instead considering it a b****dization of the English language.

larry

August 23rd, 2010
8:43 am

A neocon’s worst fear…………………………

A gay rights muslim ………………..

BOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:43 am

Finn McCool
August 23rd, 2010
8:39 am

I understand your point, but I have a different take. I do some volunteer counseling to people who are financially strapped. Many have cc’s that are maxed out and are just barely getting by with minimum payments. By driving minimum payments consideratly higher, many of these people can no longer satisfy the requirements and wind up in bankruptcy. It’s a no win situation no matter how you look at it, but the cc situation is out of control.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:44 am

larry
August 23rd, 2010
8:43 am

Nah. Sounds more like the next big politician in the Democrat party.

Gale

August 23rd, 2010
8:47 am

“…call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.” I have heard that sentiment before. I suspect –since I have never experienced that sound– that it may rival the sound of church bells on a quiet Sunday morning; a sound I can mentally replay from my childhood. When the subject of Obama’s religion comes up, I wonder if religion might be a worse problem in this country than race.

Southern Comfort, I agree with you on the attention span issue. I wonder if one cause may be that many people do not read much today. In fact, I think many of our cultural problems might have that at the root. Reading and thinking go together. Sound bites and TV play to emotion, not necessarily logic. I will grant that not all reading feeds logic. But I do think it stretches our ability to see new possibilities.

I am very glad you are back, Jay. I hope you were inspired by the fishes.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:47 am

USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:42 am

Gee, that makes it all better.

So if Ebonics is a “language” that is a nonstandard variant of English, then what is the name for the official language of Asians who have broken “engrish”, or the official language of Indians, or the official language of Hispanics, etc. etc.?

Paul

August 23rd, 2010
8:47 am

USinUK

Thanks for the background. I was struck by the use of the word “language” rather than something like “dialect.”

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All this talk about angst over our Muslim President. I suppose now we’ll see a call for another amendment to our Constitution, to get rid of that pesky, un-American Article VI, which says “but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

Donovan

August 23rd, 2010
8:49 am

First off, Democrats are typically liars and cheats. Is it any wonder that your community organizer has spent $1,000,000 to seal all personal records about him. While your boy was a senator he and the Saudi family actively engaged in the election process of the Muslim candidate of Kenya. That candidate later became the president of Kenya. Bowing to the Saudi king was not a coincidence. Obama’s father was Muslim and he listed his son’s religion as Islamic. Obama’s conversion to Christianity was merely window dressing. What official training did he partake in to make the conversion legitimate? Neither major hospital in Hawaii has a birth certificate on this man. This man has an Islamic name. If he walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck… Here’s some food for thought…unless you are a Democrat, what do you all think of his true religion and identity?

ty webb

August 23rd, 2010
8:49 am

a muslim’s worst fear?…gay rights.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:50 am

ty webb

August 23rd, 2010
8:49 am

Or maybe a female Imam?

stands for decibels

August 23rd, 2010
8:51 am

one other thing:

You know that… I know that… But it appears not everyone understands that.

Well, probably. And yet…

I used to think that most Americans chose to believe the mainstream media narrative about “The Scary Buck Negro Preacher In The Dashiki Who Screams God D@mn America” out of pure ignorance.

But the more time I’ve had to digest it (particularly very recently, when I had to address this over at Cynthia’s place last week), I come to the inescapable conclusion that many likely agree with the distilled “GD America” soundbite, and mostly they just hate Wright for having the audacity to say what’s in their own hearts.

They may think that God should condemn America, if for different reasons–maybe it’s for “socialism” (i.e., having a pathetically ineptly-constructed safety net for the least among us), maybe it’s for The Gay, and maybe it’s for allowing scary Muslims (and Hindu, Buddhist, what-have-you) something approaching the freedom promised in the First Amendment.

I don’t want to believe that, but sometimes I do. And then I remember it’s really, really stupid to waste a lot of time impugning other people’s motives, and try to move on.

Saul Good

August 23rd, 2010
8:53 am

Donovan… how much did you contribute to Orly’s $20K fine fund?

Don't forget

August 23rd, 2010
8:54 am

All of this largely arises from right wing bloggers/pundits who operate on the premise that “the end justifies the means”. This morally bankrupt principle allows people to justify distortion and outright lies and completely abandons the principle that the truth is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

AmVet

August 23rd, 2010
8:55 am

You said “childish regulars who also spend much of the day personally insulting anybody who dares disagree with them”. Do you read “stands for decibels” posts very often?

Mystery meat, all the time.

And are you kidding me? Really, this is your only observation about that entire post?

The fact that you would even try to compare anything from stands vs. the massive amounts of “conservative” slime posted on those two forums, says a great deal about you and your lack of understanding the difference between general indictments vs. unprovoked, hateful, personal insults.

Jeezoo, this is pretty basic stuff…

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:55 am

Don’t forget

August 23rd, 2010
8:54 am

Thank you, Charlie Rangel.

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
8:55 am

larry –

“A neocon’s worst fear…………………………

A WOMAN gay rights muslim”

;-)

Bosch

August 23rd, 2010
8:56 am

Oh Blog God geez —

Welcome back Jay, I hope your vacation left you rested. Goes back to what I’ve always thought, the 24/7 news cycle is one of the worst things that evah happened to our country. Sensationalism sells, and the facts are purposefully overlooked (I think) to keep the story alive so these “news” organizations can have scream fests over who is right and analyze the excrement (happy now?) out of everything when its not necessary.

So, with that….happy Monday.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:57 am

AmVet
August 23rd, 2010
8:55 am

So you’re saying calling someone a “douchebag” is just a general indictment rather than unprovoked, hateful, personal insults.

Bartender, I’ll have what he’s drinking!

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
8:57 am

Leg Lamp – 8:47 – nope. you still haven’t said what your problem is with their search for people who can “decode”. answer the question before throwing up yt another smokescreen.

USinUK

August 23rd, 2010
8:58 am

Bosch – 8:56 – scroll up to my 8:17 to Normal … it’ll bring a smile to your WEEK

Bosch

August 23rd, 2010
8:58 am

And Jay, I would personally like to thank you for keeping this bloggin spot a relatively speaking good place to blog. At Wingfield’s the Grand Name changer is a major buzz kill and my hand is aching from scrolling past his posts, and at Tucker’s — apparently she doesn’t mind namejackers and the bigots hiding behind their justifications of well, bigotry is astounding.

The Leg Lamp is a "major award" much like Cynthia Tucker's Pulitzer and Obama's Nobel.

August 23rd, 2010
8:59 am

USinUK
August 23rd, 2010
8:57 am

Your last sentence must have been written in ebonics.