Kagan confirmation vote a sign of future troubles

Jay, neither party wants to conduct the necessary business, they only want the other party to fail. We the people will be the ones to feel the brunt of that…

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There’s no doubt that since Obama was elected that Washington has become even MORE partisan compared to the Bush years. The main driving factor for those on the right up there? Upcoming elections…and they’ve been focusing on them since day one (when they were trounced). They’re SO afraid to be labeled even remotely somewhere in the middle…that they vote more in line with the principle of “party affiliation first”… and what’s for the good of the country and my constituents second.

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“So the fact that 37 senators nonetheless voted against an utterly mainstream, determinedly “safe” nominee such as Kagan ought to be taken as a serious warning sign”

Jay, the fact that they would hold up unemployment payments should be a serious warning sign.

The fact that they STILL won’t vote on some Obama nominees (as we come up to the 2nd anniversary of his election) out to be a serious warning sign.

Elena Kagan is just icing on their “we’re throwing a strop like a 2-year old” cake …

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I read recently that our government is now more partisan that it has been in ?40? years. As Normal put it, each party only wants the other party to fail. I would like to know where our political system stopped trying to be successful. I am reminded of a school yard push fight, neither party wanting to strike a blow they would be punished for, but always seeking to throw the other to the ground. That objective is all they can see and they don’t even care what the fight is about anymore. The object is only to humiliate the opponent.

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She has no experience as a judge! Obama had no real experience managing anything, so their like two peas in a pod.

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The Senate has not said NO enough! We can mainly thank Snow and Collins for that, but that’s another story. If November shows I’m wrong, you can pile it on. However, the evidence for now clearly shows the majority of the country is not in favor of the Obama, liberal, socialist, agenda. And, the underhanded way it has taken place.

Concern for the person being put on SCOTUS is of course due to the way progressives have used the court to enact social agenda’s not supported by the Constitution or legislation.

Our country is in trouble, and it is coming to a head, as the old Southern saying goes. The left is a minority whose social agenda is not supported by the majority of the people. And, that majority is ready to stop the by-passing of their wishes.

The buyer’s remorse over Obama is monumental. His administration is sinking like a rock. I am sure that within they are in full panic.

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“In other news from 1987 the eminently qualified Robert Bork was voted down 42-58 and this whole process was begun”

“eminently qualified” Robert Bork advocates for government censorship …

he’s eminently something … but I don’t think “qualified” is the word we’re looking for …

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“the underhanded way it has taken place”

yep. DAMN THOSE OPEN ELECTIONS!!!

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Doggone/GA,

I agree! The party-first party of “No way we’d put America before our own career ambitions” is not solely to blame for this impossible stalemate. The Democrats (as I’ve been saying for years) need to NUT UP, list the facts, and stop trying to placate childish tantrums by offering candy. They need to shine a light on what these self-serving egotrons actually say and do, and should begin by forcing them on the record with every nasty little word of it.

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Last paragraph of Jay’s piece shows it’s both parties. Wonder how long until the conversation centers on Republican opposition to Kagan as the theme?

The parties may well continue on partisanship and bickering. Hopefully the voters will accelerate the trend of voting against incumbents, if the primaries are any indication.

But hey, progress! Just a couple of years and we’ve moved from a current president, then senator voting against a Supreme Court nominee on grounds of judicial philosophy to having a Republican leader voting for that same president’s nominee and calling on the Senate to get back to their ‘advise and consent’ duties.

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Maybe we need to get rid of the filabuster all together. Or make it easier to break.

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TaxPayer

“All hail Franken for having the courage to call it like it is”

Evidently Sen Franken doesn’t share your view. He sent a written apology to Sen McConnell.

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UsinUK, the “death panels” are real. There is already talk of how most of the free medical coverage was taken from Medicare, which means “panels” will decide if Granny gets that hip replacement or Grandaddy that knee, or possibly Johnny that expensive cancer drug that will only prolong his life a year. Yep, that Obamacare is the cat’s meow.

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“eminently qualified” Robert Bork advocates for government censorship …

What a complete and utter crock. Why don’t you just quote the entire slanderfest from Kennedy, USinUK?

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Thankfully Republicans have finally learned how the game is played.

Game RW? GAME? This is our lives you are talking about here. It may be many things but GAME isn’t one of them. For Pete’s sake…Game, y’all.

That says it all.

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Medicare is not free………………..we have been paying into it for years. And insurance companies have death panels just as well.

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Bruce Drake
Contributing Editor

The New York City Landmarks and Preservation Commission has cleared the way for construction of a controversial 15-story mosque and Islamic center to be built two blocks from Ground Zero, but New Yorkers oppose the project by 61 percent to 26 percent with 13 percent undecided, according to a Siena Research Institute poll conducted July 27-29.

The margin is a little lower — 56 percent to 33 percent — when the question is asked just of city residents.

While self-described conservatives voice the strongest opposition, a majority of liberals and moderates also oppose the project.

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If JohnnyReb had his way, the progressive’s social agendas would not be passed. We would still have slavery, women would not be allowed to vote or own property. Oh yes, and Mrs. Cleaver would still be at home making PB&J for the Beaver.

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Evidently Sen Franken doesn’t share your view. He sent a written apology to Sen McConnell.

You are of course free to interpret the exchange as you wish. Franken, in my opinion, has played Mitch quite well.

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Taco

Reading your post, I have to wonder why you’re so hostile towards psychologists…

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TaxPayer

You think mocking the speech of a senator holding the floor is proper conduct for a senator acting as the presiding officer?

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“Make them stand and and DO it.”

Amen and a TESTIFY to that!

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Do away with the Senate rule requiring sixty votes to bring a bill to the floor for a vote. Filibuster was never intended to prevent a vote by the majority, just to delay the vote until all senators could get to Washington to vote.

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Polite has nothing to do with it RW, and your attitude is part of the problem.

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“She has no experience as a judge!”

Did you READ the article? So? So did lot of other, very well regarded justices. What’s the big deal?

Obama had no real experience managing anything —

Again with this nonsense. Just another Obama hater with nothing but sound bites.

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USinUK – yea, go ahead and chock me up to naive. I would consider throttling back that elitist attitude a little. You are right, however, there are refusals going on now, but if Obamacare stands what happens now will pale in comparison.

What you guys on the left don’t get, the people are not going to accept the tremendous transfer of their wealth and priveleges that is the Obama agenda. If you want what I have, work for it. Dont’ take it from me through the out of control federal government.

The backlash is happening before your eyes, but you think it’s fantasy. The people reject progressive tricks, therefore the close vote on judges. For my part, they should have fillibustered Kagan.

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I did not see Bork mentioned, but that was when Pandora’s box was opened.

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Bring on “future troubles” if it means that some of our polititians are aware of our drift toward a liberal wasteland.

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She has experience? How many years has she served on the bench? 0. How many days has she spent as an attorney in court? 0 The woman has zero experience. She is the most unqualified individual to ever sit in the court. The left side of congress is obama’s lap dog. The only reason she was confirmed was because obama wanted it. She has no experience and no merits on her own.
She is not main stream she is hard left. She is an extremist and she is an activist. This is what you will see from her on the bench.

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JohnnyReb

“the people are not going to accept the tremendous transfer of their wealth and priveleges that is the Obama agenda.”

Do you have any specifics on who ‘the people’ are who are going to suffer a tremendous transfer of their wealth and privileges?

Whose wealth will be transferred? All the people? Lower economic strata? Mid? Upper? Super Duper Upper?

Whose privileges?

And.. who are the intended recipients of the transferred wealth and privileges?

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Reb,

Yeah! And answer Paul’s questions!

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You think mocking the speech of a senator holding the floor is proper conduct for a senator acting as the presiding officer?

Paul, I think Franken’s graphic representation of the mockery the Republicans have chosen to make out of the Senate is apropos. Again, you are free to formulate your own opinion of the exchange. I take it “I Object!” sums it up for you. As for me, Franken is doing a most excellent job. I would vote for him if he were my senator.

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Paul, I am an example. The wife and I have income that puts us in the higher tax bracket. We are not trust babies, both bluecollar who have worked extremely hard to get what we have. If we want our money to go to someone else, we will give it to them.

As to privaleges, just look at how Medicare will change – all to give helathcare to those who have not positioned themselves in life to support themselves.

If your reply is to include how minorities have been held back, etc. don’t bother to reply. I have heard enough about racism. We are now in a stage where whites are being discriminated against.

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The russkies were pretending to pay their subjects. The subjects were pretending to work. Kinda like government stimulus workers now.)

Well, jt, ill ask the Windstream workers if they are pretending to work when they start upgrading our broadband capabilities here in this county and in four other counites here in NE Georgia. Thanks to the stimulus.

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Ignore at your own peril Normal.

Remember, when storing survival food, store the food that you DO NOT like. It will last longer.

It will also be good to barter with after we “pop” Iran when the Fed’s house of cards come tumbling down.

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You left and right idiots will be the end of all of us. And when I say all of us I mean your 30% combined plus the other 70% of us.

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I would love to hang around and debate you guys some more, but work calls. One parting shot, if the latest rumor comes true it will split the Nation. That is, Obama is considering telling Fannie and Freddie to forgive the “underwater” portion of the millions of people who can’t pay their mortgage. That is so wrong on so many levels I hope it stays a right wing radio rumor. If it comes true, God help us.

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larry

If it needed to be done, it would have been done.

Now it will be inefficiently done by stealing money from someone else. You get YOUR upgrade, someone else doesn’t get HIS upgrade.

I know that that concept is hard to grok.

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“The Leader thought I was disrespectful while he was giving his speech on General Kagan,” Franken said in a statement to The Hill. “He is entitled to give his speech with the presiding officer just listening respectfully. I went directly to his office after I was done presiding to apologize in person. He wasn’t there, so I’ve sent him a handwritten note.”

This exchange reminds me of that time that Franken put McCain, the hypocrite, in his place on the floor too. hehehe

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I bet Franken will be in the Senate for a long long time.

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“Jay, the fact that they would hold up unemployment payments should be a serious warning sign. ”

Saul, this is dishonest and is EXACTLY what’s wrong in politics. You know darn well the issue the R’s were holding this up for is asking the D’s to PAY for the extension with cuts somewhere else, but you conveniently leave that tidbit out because it’s doesn’t fit your “everything D good, everything R bad” agenda.

I’d like to have a new Mercedes SL500 and I do need transportation, so I should have it right? No, if I want it, I need to find a way to pay for it within my budget. Same for you and every other American and we should expect our government to behave the same way.

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jt, the upgrade will help these counties and communities compete for jobs which the money will be paid back through the jobs they will create. It works better than blindly cutting taxes for companies and people that will not invest in this country or this county.

I know that that concept is hard to grok.

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“yea, go ahead and chock me up to naive. I would consider throttling back that elitist attitude a little. You are right, however, there are refusals going on now, but if Obamacare stands what happens now will pale in comparison”

oh NOES!!! Not ELITIST!!!

please.

it’s just another example of being caught in a lie (or at least a propaganda-induced delusion) then calling the person who called you out on it an “elitist” for pointing it out to you.

“What you guys on the left don’t get, the people are not going to accept the tremendous transfer of their wealth and priveleges ”

sorry, bubba, but we’ve been soaked for the last 30 YEARS in the transfer of money and priveleges from the middle class to the “elites” you supposedly hate. Since the 1980s, the middle-class income has remained unchanged, while the top 1% has increased 30% …

but, yeah … you’re fine with the transfer of wealth, as long as it goes upwards …

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I was referring to Sen Franken’s behavior in his role of presiding officer of the Senate. I think such immaturity is part of the larger issue of Jay’s thread.

I see his behavior as a reflection of the Republicans in the Senate and I also agree that such immaturity is part of the larger issue of Jay’s thread. Also, part of Franken’s feedback to the esteamed senator is that he does not have to sit there and take no crap from his senior while he’s presiding. Franken for president, after Obama has finished his eight years.

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And this:

“sorry, bubba, but we’ve been soaked for the last 30 YEARS in the transfer of money and priveleges from the middle class to the “elites” you supposedly hate. Since the 1980s, the middle-class income has remained unchanged, while the top 1% has increased 30% …”

Yeah, that needs to be on our flyer we drop from planes too.

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Bosch – 10:01 – I’d just be happy if it was on the FOX news crawl … (if only to watch their little heads a’splode)

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larry

Sorry to be a downer in your keynesian fantasy.

History, USSR, Argentina, Rome, etc………..proves you wrong. What taxes do not steal, inflation will.

With respect, I’m out.

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Bosch … is this you???

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_really_is_Pseudonymous_Bosch_the_author_of_the_name_of_this_book_is_secret

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Medicare is based on income and assets, and for many people who qualify – say they go into a nursing home. The gov’t takes their Social Security check to contribute to covering expenses.

Medicare itself isn’t based on income and assets—Medicaid is—but you are right that nursing home care can involve forfeiture of Social Security benefits as well as assets.

I still am amazed that the Senate and the House both refused to settle the problem of the medically uninsured simply by subsidizing Medicare coverage for them, instead of developing this abortion of a law that enriches private insurance companies and enrages most people who have existing health insurance coverage. I think it’s a prime example of how health insurance and pharmaceutical industry dollars essentially bought legislation. Instead of a straightforward solution to the problem of people who cannot afford health insurance, we got the worst possible solution. And single-payer didn’t even make it to the committee floor.

And after disputing Hillary Clinton’s assertion throughout the primary campaign that medical insurance coverage would need to be compulsory, Obama folded like a cheap tent and went along with forcing people to buy medical insurance coverage. He deserves whatever he[[ he endures from Congress after the election. He showed absolutely zero leadership, turning the entire healthcare debate over to Congressional people who are bought and paid for by the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries. I’m about as liberal as they come, but I don’t see this health insurance law as the way to go.

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USinUK,

Drat! My identity is out!

Nope, I make power tools, spark plugs, and cool ass refrigerators.

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TaxPayer 9:59

It’s good to see you doing comedy again!

Bosch

Getting that 9:51 on a t-shirt’d be a challenge. I like your 10:01 more better gooder. Then again, given the size of the t-shirts some people have to wear…. maybe not. Flyers’d be a sure thing, though. With Predator drops! That’ll get their attention.

No, wait… drop’em at night from black helicopters. Let the fun begin!

Anywho, I’m off to the gym. Holiday was a bit too good.

Later -

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Curious Observer @ 10:08 –

Well said. Polite golf clap — couldn’t agree more.

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Jay:

How many times have I said that the main two factions in this country (liberals and conservatives) have less in common than those who fought for the North and South during the “War Between the United (oxymoron) States of Amerca and the Confederate States of America).

We are becoming extremely Balkanized politically, morally, religiously, etc. Time will tell.

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Curious Observer 10:08

Thanks for the catch – meant “Medicaid”. Hope it was obvious from the rest of the post distinguishing between Medicare and Medicaid.

I understand a huge part of the health care bill comes from providing subsidies to people to buy health insurance. Given that these subsidies are going to households making up to 88 grand a year, I’d say the Congressional Democrats’ strategy on giving stuff to lots of people to buy their votes is pretty clear.

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The more political the court rulings become the more acrimonious the hearings become. If the court becomes political then the selection of judges is going to become political.

I think judges should think twice before overturning laws which have the support of the majority of the people in a jurisdiction. This goes for both conservative and liberal judges. It includes overruling local gun laws and marriage laws. When the courts become politically active then the selection of judges is going to become political. It is inevitable. The check and balance is the politicians get to select judges

Both liberal and conservatives have been pushing the courts to implement their political ideologies through undemocratic means. The only thing that matters to conservatives and liberals is end.

For me the means is the end. In other words I believe their should be more respect to the democratic process by both conservatives and liberals.

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“I think judges should think twice before overturning laws which have the support of the majority of the people in a jurisdiction”

LET’S VOTE SLAVERY BACK! /snarc

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Doggone/GA

August 6th, 2010
9:06 am
“The fact that they STILL won’t vote on some Obama nominees”

I will say this always and forever…and regardless of who is in power at the moment…the Senate leaders need to stop being COWARDS and MAKE the opposition ACTUALLY filibuster everything. Stop letting the THREAT of a filibuster shoot down legislation. Make them stand and and DO it. Make them vote against ending the filibuster. Make them do it over and over and over. Put them ON RECORD, EVERY TIME.

Amen, Brother, Amen

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“I think judges should think twice before overturning laws which have the support of the majority of the people in a jurisdiction. ”

ohsweetjeebus … what IS IT with you people who evidently slept through your civics classes …

this is EXACTLY what the judiciary is FOR – to keep the tyranney of the majority from trampling on the rights of the minority!!

without it, what would keep the state of Utah from declaring Mormonism as the official state religion? what would keep North Dakota, with its 93% white population, from reinstating segregation??

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Don’t Forget,

“Amen, Sister, Amen”

Fixed your typo — no thanks needed.

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failure?

LOL, after 8 years of W, you folks on the right can’t tell a failure from your arses!

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“her views on applying Shariah law to the US judicial system are disturbing”

What the hell? The wingnuts really are crazy this morning.

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“The wingnuts really are crazy this morning”

And it isn’t even the full moon this week…I guess it’s just the heat

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“It’s Shark Week – it’s got em all twitchy”

Well, it’s got ME bored to tears!

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Normal … oh, well then … if Limbaugh said it, you can take it to the BANK … (especially if it’s a GA bank …)

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“her views on applying Shariah law to the US judicial system are disturbing”

Ask him for proof! And we’ll see how long it is before POOF, he’s gone. That kept happening yesterday. Outrageous statement = where’s the proof? = gone in 60 seconds…with several posters.

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The Good News is we now will have a Man/Bear/Pig on the bench. Congrats America, Happy Days are here again!!1

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Mr Bookman:

Do you recall writing a similar article when Roberts or Alito went through the confirmation process?

Do you recall the antics of then Senator Obama, Mr Bookman?
Obama set forth a Rube Goldberg process for the appraisal of Roberts in particular. Though Roberts was deed as “qualified” in the eyes of Obama, he still voted AGAINST Roberts.

What was the reason? Roberts lacked EMPATHY.

Do you see, Mr Bookman – its not that you and Ms Tucker are unaware of duplicity and hypocrisy. Its that you only call it out on one side.

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They’re not thick on the ground anymore.

I think we’ve lost a few generations. I think the best chance will be with grooming some from the under-18 crowd now. They are least likely to be set in their ways and can be groomed to not easily be swayed by rhetoric.

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I think the best chance will be with grooming some from the under-18 crowd now. They are least likely to be set in their ways and can be groomed to not easily be swayed by rhetoric.

(c) 1800, 1850, 1900, 1950, 2000. All rights reserved.

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The senate (and Congress in general) has lost their marbles. But from what I gather, this isn’t the first time. Let’s keep in mind things got ugly before there was a civil war. I don’t think that’s going to happen again.

I guess we need another Republican President and Democratic Congress (Reagan – O’Neil redux) for things to work well.

I might also propose a rather revolutionary idea – that as far as I know, I came up with: we need a unicameral legislature. Each senator would get 4 votes, each representative would get 1 vote, 35 House seats would be eliminated to maintain a new kind of “parity” between the house and senate. By creating a unicameral legislature, the power of any one individual to hold things up is reduced. And passing a bill through one legislature would be a hell of a lot easier than all the reconciliation nonsense. Just my two cents. Never gonna happen.

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Finn

You forgot to mention pretty. I think it’s “Look, pretty squirrel!”

dB

Uh oh, did I just commit copyright infringement?

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“35 House seats would be eliminated to maintain a new kind of “parity” between the house and senate”

You’re right, never gonna happen…because it would take a Constitutional amendment to change it. That, plus, the problem with the filibuster is that it is NOT in the Constitution…but it does some under the Constitutional mandate that the Senate sets it own rules. So it COULD be eliminated, if we ever have a Senate with a big enough majority, and the WILL, to remove it.

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And we can blame none other than the late Sen. Robert C. Byrd for the anti-democratic filibuster. He was its champion, and now nobody can figure a way to get rid of the rule. Somebody’s going to have to pull a Sen. Frist and come up with a nuclear option. It’s absurd that judicial and other presidential appointments languish for years, that popular initiatives can be stalled by a Senate minority, and that a single senator can put a “hold” on appointments without even so much as an explanation.

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Anybody else looking forward to the next time Republicans have a majority in the Senate and all the leftist toadies go back to telling us how the filibuster is the fiber that holds this great country together?

Oh well, it’s time for me to head to the forest. Be sure to switch to decaf soon kidz and have a great trip Jay B.

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Unemployment remains at 9.5% as the economy sputters along. Yes the Obama stimulus is working just fine just ask him.

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UsinUK,
are you including me in the “stoopid minions”? If not, who do I see about membership? and does calling someone a racist for disagreeing with our president exclude one from being a member?

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UnU

You beat me to the punch with your 11:13 post. Unfortunately, I don’t think unemployment is coming down anytime soon regardless to who’s sleeping in the White House. Businesses have found out they can still profit with half the workforce. Until something completely new comes along, the traditional employment bases, such as manufacturing, will not be job producers anytime soon.

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UsinUK,
aw shucks! maybe I should try harder in the future. And regarding my occasional salient points… even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

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The liberal lawyer who kept the military off Harvard until the courts ordered her not to, and who penned the argument for partial-birth abortion and strong-armed a medical group into changing their position on the issue, who is against the courts decided position on the Second Amendment, and who as an obvious lesbian will vote for gay marriage is a mainstream appointment? This pick could not have been more liberal, and any Republican who failed to oppose this abomination should be actively opposed in all future elections. Period.

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No need to hire. Labor is cheaper elsewhere and technology makes people more efficient (so you need less of them).

If you don’t have a job, its most likely because you’re unskilled labor. Solutions: get an education (in Math Science Engineering or Technology) or emigrate to India.

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“who as an obvious lesbian”

ohNOES!!!!

not a lebanese!!! you know what that means … Lilith Fair will be held on the steps of the SC building next year! Scalia will asphyxiate on the scent of patchouli (one could only hope)! The vegan take-out will cause Thomas to be hospitalized with anemia …

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ty – 11:25 – how many in your household now?

how about now?

anyone born / died in the last 30 days?

what about now?

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Del

August 6th, 2010
11:20 am
USinUK,

Yes they’re sitting on over a trillion and not investing. Two reasons, they feel that there is too much uncertainty and are therefore holding tight and they’ve learned how to do more with less from the prolonged recession. The large corporations are doing fine, while small business who create the most jobs are still hurting.

Although those things may be factors, I think you’ve missed the main issue. There is no demand right now. Business’s don’t like uncertainty and the biggest uncertainty out there right now is whether you will be able to sell what you make.

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Del – “Because the Obama administration continues this bogus lie that they’re stimulus programs are working”

actually, you might want to go to http://www.dol.gov and read the unemployment breakdown … negative number was due to cuts in GOVERNMENT jobs, not the private sector — which was what the stimulus plan was designed to help.

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Don’t Forget … you know, once they start hiring, they might be surprised by how demand improves …

but, what do I know …

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The liberal lawyer who kept the military off Harvard until the courts ordered her not to

Well, that’s a lie. So forgive me if I ignore anything else you might have to say.

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Southern Comfort @ 10:50:

Totally agreed – the future of politics is really up to the young-uns. A good start would be to bring “Civics” back to the classroom curriculum. Our future generations have no true understanding as to the meaning of real governance and today’s culture presents such a poor example. I’m hopeful that next-gen ideologies would be more center-based and freer from race undertones.

As for the current ineffectiveness of the Senate, the solution is simple. All Harry has to do is CHANGE THE FRICKING SENATE RULE and get back to majority vote = 51. Nuf said…

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http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/the-new-criticism-of-kagan-she-loves-sharia-law/60994/

If you’re wondering why the nutbags are playing the “she’s a secret mooslem who wants to impose Sharia law” riff.

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Those census “workers” did a fine job too. I never got a census form and nobody ever came to my door even though I live in a regular subdivision and have been here for 23 years. They had no problem finding me in 1990 and 2000. Why it’s almost like they don’t really want to try too hard to count people in conservative states.

OK, OK, I know what you’re thinking and yes I’m leaving now.

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JohnB wins…

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dB – wasn’t that a song by the Knack … muh-muh-muh-my-ey-ey-ey-ey – WOO!

muh-muh-muh-myyyyyyy sharia …

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Whew! after spending the better part of yesterday partying with my liberal friends on the dark side, it’s nice to get back on the right side of the tracks.

First of all, let’s get this straight. If Jay Bookman declares ANYONE “mainstream”, that person is decidedly liberal. The only mainstream Jay knows about is which fork to take in a river.

That being said, I don’t see Kagan being as complete a disaster as Stevens was. In that regard, I think the court does shift a bit right, even if you’ll need a microscope to determine how much.

The arguments being made about her having no judicial experience have some merit, even if others had been approved before her with none, largely because she also comes to the court with no trial experience as well. Do we really think that having a Supreme Court justice utter the words from “A Few Good Men” – “So THIS is what a courtroom looks like!” – is indicative of finding the best person qualified to serve?

I guess when you are the least qualified person in the room at every event you attend, nominating lesser-qualified people is a requirement.

As to the vote? Deal with it. Both parties have created a primary system that virtually guarantees that the most radical elements at both ends ultimately decide who gets the nomination. Add in the gerrymandering of districts, and you have a ready made electoral disaster in the making.

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Del – “You need to give up on the Kool-Aid”

ohhhhh, dear … what? do the laws of supply and demand no longer exist? I know I’ve been out of the country for 4 years, but I don’t think that basic economic principles have changed in my absence.

oh, and you might want to lay off the cliches – they don’t help you as much as you seem to think they do.

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Penn – you reminded me of one of my favorite Letterman Top 10s (from many moons ago) …

the number one thing heard at the UN Conference for the Woman, “you dated Martina? *I* dated Martina!”

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USinUK @ 11:26

Hahahahahaha!

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“I think it’s important for those of us in a position of responsibility to be
firm in sharing our experiences, to understand that the babies out of wedlock
is a very difficult chore for mom and baby alike … I believe we ought to say
there is a different alternative than the culture that is proposed by people
like Miss Wolf in society … And, you know, hopefully, condoms will work, but
it hasn’t worked.”

George W. Bush
November 21, 1999
From an appearance on Meet the Press.

WTF????

For those complaining about Kagan (who is MORE then qualified to serve on the Bench)… just remember it was THIS guy who had the balls to nominate Harriott Miers.

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Do you think RW goes into the forest because he doesn’t have indoor plumbing?

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Dave R – you do realize that state and local government is included in the government sector … not just fed …

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USinUK = professional SKIVER & Jay, quit smoking the rock with Cynthia.

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bye bye dems http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/08/06/democrats_under_stress_106622.html

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First on the third! Waaaaaahoooooo!

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Am I wrong about Kagan being a lesbian?

http://www.queerty.com/will-obama-pick-u-s-solicitor-general-elena-kagan-for-the-supreme-court-20100405/

And my only comment was about the fact that it will bias her rulings in the same way that the judge that ruled against the California constitutional amendmenent was personally biasesd in his decision.

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I don’t believe she “has the experience” Jay.

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“All Harry has to do is CHANGE THE FRICKING SENATE RULE and get back to majority vote = 51. Nuf said…”

You’re making the HUGE assumption that he can actually DO that. Sorry, but it takes a 2/3 majority vote to change the Senate rules. That’s 67 votes. Even if you assume every Democrat will vote to change it, do you REALLY think the current minority is going to go along with eliminating their only real power in the Senate?

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It’s good to see you doing comedy again!

You ain’t no Jon Stewart and I was just feeling sorry for ya, out there on a limb like that. No need to thank me. My regular fee for bailing you out will do instead.

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JohnB… is there bias by the Jews on the court anytime a Jewish defendant or Jewish attorney comes before them? How about Scalia…should he recuse himself each and every time an Italian American comes before the court? If so…I think all that are Christians on the bench should step aside each and every single time a christian defendant, plaintiff, or attorney comes before the court. Because based upon your “reasoning”… those would be legitimate claims of bias against each and every member of the court…

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which is why it usually takes about 2 years from the end of a recession for unemployment to get back to “normal” …

Exactly. We are an instant gratification society and when there is suffering there is even less patience. Funny how people don’t even remember that Reagan had a double dip recession in his first term. Or that his approval rating was 35% a mere 18 months before the ‘84 election. Just gotta give it time.

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I think I’m gonna copyright the term Instant gratification society. I could probably make a few dollars that way.

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You’re making the HUGE assumption that he can actually DO that. Sorry, but it takes a 2/3 majority vote to change the Senate rules. That’s 67 votes. Even if you assume every Democrat will vote to change it, do you REALLY think the current minority is going to go along with eliminating their only real power in the Senate?

He couldn’t do it now. But at the start of each senate session (after the election) the senate has to adopt the rules all over again and it does so with a simple majority. So it could be done with the new senate in 2011 but it’s a shame it may have come to this.

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The vote for Sotomayor was 68-31, which would buck your trend. Don’t you hate when facts don’t support theories? Best way is to ignore them.

The 42 votes against Alito was shameful on the same grounds you lay out for Kagan, yet not a peep. Bookman, you are either a dolt or an intellectual coward.

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oh, yeah … we should listen to what Real Clear Politics has to say …

they ALWAYS get it right

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/can_john_mccain_win_in_spite_o.html

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we should listen to what Real Clear Politics has to say …

without even clicking your link, I remember it was poor Andy’s go-to place in fall 2008; they always had Good News For Republicans! whenever things were otherwise looking bleak.

And yes, I’ve gotten my share of jollies reminding him of that.

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“But at the start of each senate session (after the election) the senate has to adopt the rules all over again and it does so with a simple majority.”

Have you got a link for that? I can’t find anything that states that.

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trying to beat the raindrops to catch the train …

have a great weekend!!

Jay – have a fantastic vacation !!

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“I sure wish one of the Republican senators had asked her, “Are there any other areas in which you consider ’separate but equal’ appropriate for different classes or groups of people?””

She was enforcing, as best she could, a rule passed by Harvard BEFORE she became Dean. When that rule was disallowed by the courts, she complied and gave them full access to the normal recruitment area.

She NEVER “kept them off campus”

“the real issue was her assertion that an institution like a university was somehow empowered to try to enforce what it saw as a proper ruling of the law.”

Do you see all the “ifs ands and buts” in this statement? Clue – look for “somehow” “try” “what it saw” – Harvard had a university rule against allowing ANY “company” that discriminated against homosexuals to recruit on campus. The military did that, and so Kagan did her best to allow them access and yet still follow the rules of HER employer. She kept them out of the jobs office, but allowed them acces on campus by other means.

When that was shot down by a court, she complies and allowed them full access.

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Oh yes, and one more thing…now that we have AGAIN debunked the Kagan/military lie…shall we start taking bets on how long the next RW nut states it again as if it’s some kind of revealed “truth”?

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conservatism is a mental disorder.

The next great bumper sticker!!!

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“All Harry has to do is CHANGE THE FRICKING SENATE RULE and get back to majority vote = 51. Nuf said”

That sounds like a great idea when your party is in the majority and a lousy idea when they’re not regardless of which party you’re in.

The current rules are in place to force the 2 parties to work to a compromise both groups can live with; something the dems appear to be unwilling to do in any way shape or form. It’s been “here’s the bill, whine to the press about the party of “no”, and then skirt their own rules to get their way. A complete lack of leadership.

It’s funny how you same idiots who’ve been clammoring for a whole day about the courts protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority are now whining because your majority can’t get their way and even suggesting they change the rules to allow it. What a joke you tools are.

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Doggone/Ga

What was the lie that was debunked?

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for instance:

“In general, do you think gun control laws should be made more strict, less strict, or kept as they are now?”

a whopping 16% say “less strict.”

when asked “What do you think is more important — to protect the right of Americans to own guns, or to control gun ownership?” — it’s an even split.

and check this out:

“Right now, which ONE of the following do you think should be the more important priority for U.S. energy policy: keeping energy prices low or protecting the environment?” — 56% say protecting the environment.

And those were just two I picked, honest to god, at random.

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“She was enforcing, as best she could, a rule passed by Harvard BEFORE she became Dean. When that rule was disallowed by the courts, she complied and gave them full access to the normal recruitment area.”

Sorry, Doggone, but as someone who should have known the law, rather than enforcing something she should have known was un-Constitutional, she should have worked to have Harvard change their rule to something that was.

She may not have created it, but being an accomplice to something wrong is just as bad, ESPECIALLY given her academic chops.

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Normal says: “Jay, neither party wants to conduct the necessary business, they only want the other party to fail.”

Flat wrong. This cannot be said equally of both parties at present.

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Doggone/Ga

Wasn’t ignoring it. I just take a different view. She was the head of the university. She made policy. She didn’t meekly acquiesce to that with which she disagreed.

As far as the later post – both sfd and I have noted she, thru Harvard, granted access to military recruiters. Just not the same access as other recruiters. It was separate. And not all that equal. Kinda 1950s.

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Doggone/GA

August 6th, 2010
12:11 pm
“But at the start of each senate session (after the election) the senate has to adopt the rules all over again and it does so with a simple majority.”

Have you got a link for that? I can’t find anything that states that

I was slightly off there in that the senate has the option to do this at the start of each session but doen’t have to. This explains it better.

http://tomudall.senate.gov/?p=blog&id=383

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Just not the same access as other recruiters. It was separate. And not all that equal. Kinda 1950s.

Jeez, Paul, now you’re not only equating a college dean with a Governor of a state, you’re actually comparing the entire population of African American schoolchildren with Ivy League campus military recruiters?

really?

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“She was the head of the university. She made policy. She didn’t meekly acquiesce to that with which she disagreed.”

She was not the head of the university, she was DEAN of the LAW SCHOOL. And she did not MAKE the policy, it was already in place when she got that position.

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Left wing management

August 6th, 2010
12:34 pm

Maybe I should have said “the party not in power”…

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Oops, sorry for the double post

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The polarization in Ameican politics has been fed, if not created, by all the talking heads out there. When everyone got their evening news from Cronkite, we got along much better. Now the sheeple blindly follow Rush or Oberman and subscribe to the party line on almost everything. Hopefully, the Reps will gain enough seats to stop this onslaught of terrible legislation. The government that governs least, usually governs best!

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anyway, here’s Glenzilla with some lessons learned from this:

[T]he supposedly safe, moderate-appearing, blank slate nominee (Kagan) received fewer confirmation votes, and was less politically popular, than the supposedly risky, clearly liberal nominee with a long record of judicial opining and controversial statements (Sotomayor). Aren’t there important lessons in those facts? Doesn’t that rather clearly contradict the endless excuse-making from the Democratic establishment that muddled moderation is politically necessary? If you’re going to attract a tiny handful of GOP votes no matter what, why not nominate someone who will enliven the public, inspire your base, and provide an opportunity to advocate and defend a progressive judicial philosophy?

In any event, what’s clear is that the Democratic establishment avoids progressive positions not because they wish deep down that they could embrace them but believe that it’s politically impossible to do so. As the Kagan episode demonstrates, muddled moderation is a political liability, not an asset.

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it doesn’t matter whether it is one, or one hundred and one, when it comes to matters of equality.

You’re actually comparing the right of American citizens to an education to a “right” of the military industrial complex to force their way onto a private college campus?

what-evah.

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Doggone/GA

Fine. Dean of Law School. But as Dave R pointed out, she didn’t push the problem with Harvard.

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even if others had been approved before her with none, largely because she also comes to the court with no trial experience as well

She’s just leaving her position as Solicitor General of the United States of America, where she argued cases before the Supreme Court. Were you born with a moron gene or don’t you read?

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She’s just leaving her position as Solicitor General of the United States of America, where she argued cases before the Supreme Court.

Indeed, she’ll be working with people she already knows rather well.

This was a boring, legal establishment-figure appointment. It oughta be about as controversial as, oh, I dunno, keeping a veggie garden on the White House grounds… but then, I think that was some kind of Commie plot, too.

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argh. must leave time-suck. Later, folks.

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“abolish the two party dominant system. Allow lawmakers to use their own minds, not the mind of the Borg collective”

Not gonna happen…plus, no matter what kind of party or no-party system you have…when it comes down to a vote, it’s going to alway default to a “2 party system” – yes or no

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sfd 1:01

“Oh please. The AZ skank-ho’ “took action” because there was political hay to be made.”

Maybe crime’s down because ONE county has 1000 illegals in jail for felonies? (My state – Harris County – includes Houston – 1000 a month are apprehended. And yes, many of them are released within Harris county because, according to the Houston Chronicle, ICE doesn’t do well when it comes to filing paperwork).

How’s this: don’t know what state you’re from. Let’s say Georgia. If it’s not a big problem, how about the citizens of Georgia pay Arizona or Texas or New Mexico their local law enforcement costs for dealing with illegals? I mean, it’s much ado about nothing, so… why not pick up the insignificant costs?

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Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein

Explains Obama and the congressional Democrats solutions for economic recovery.

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Doggone/GA 1:10

Thanks for the link. I think many of Kagan’s detractors went way overboard in inaccurately characterizing what she did and ascribed some pretty strong interpretations on the ‘why.’ I also think many of her supporters were equally disingenuous, as was Kagan herself, in relating what happened (saying military had access: true: Avoided fact they were prohibited from certain areas while other groups were not). I think the lawsuit she filed in support of was flaky. A federal department, following law passed by Congress, signed by the Pres (her boss at the time, Pres Clinton) is not any old employer like IBM.

I’m interested to see if this shading of events, inability to distinguish between an initiator of law from the group the law affects, and the condemnation of one group (military) while accepting the presence and $$$ from another group (Saudis) with a much harsher policy, will in any way play out in her decisions.

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Scout

August 6th, 2010
1:13 pm
Another way of saying it is that :

“Hope and Change has metastasized into Change and Hope”

Still sounds better than “abandon all hope for change” IMO

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OH well, Kagan’s a done deal…next!

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Soooooo Kagan segregated the military recruiters from mainline Harvard Law School and she’s a fine lady for doing it. Oh yes! Since when? There are many forms of segregation and Kagan seems to know how to use them. I hope she sits in her “place” when the Supremes meet, right over there with the other two females. She’ll be famous: “I refuse to sit on the back of the bench!”

Maybe she did us a favor. Recruit Harvard Law Grads as strong military men/women? Puhleeze… Take Prez Obama.as a field military officer He’d be over there right now shaking hands with the Taliban and Michelle would be wearing a burka to show EMPATHY!!!

Nevermind Doggone. I know Pres. Obama is Comander-in-Chief and Michelle is in Spain, not the mountains of Pakistan. I think so. No no no …they did not go and shake hands with the Taliban, did they ? NO no no say it isn’t so…Oh OK….Obama is in Chicago…OK.

I am going to check with WIkiLeaks just to be sure. That’s another liberal activist group. Probably popular here.

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Still walkin’ the straight and narrow minded, huh Dusty?

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I just got in the mail a fund raising letter from …………………………..Paul Broun!!

LMAO!!!!

So i altered the letter a little bit and thanked him for being one of the most ineffective congressmen (431 out of 435, Congress.com) and then i thanked him for being on Faux news all the time instead of caring about the people he represents. And then i thanked him for being only one of three congressmen to vote for allowing people to view and send animal crushing videos.

What a joke!!! Russell Edwards for 10th district !!!!

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Listen up Georgia ….Are “YOU” registered to vote?

http://www.sos.ga.gov/elections/

Start here if you want to move in the right direction!

If you have any complaints, “take it to the polls”!!

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larry,
Yesterday, while waiting for a call, I had to answer a call of nature (number 2) and took the phone in with me. While sitting there the phone rang and it was Newt calling on behalf of Deal. Typical, I thought….

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Normal

August 6th, 2010
1:57 pm

LOL!!

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Dusty…Obama shaking hands with the Taliban? Nah…but here’s a fine “Field Military Officer…. a TRUE American War hero, Purple Heart Recipient, and hand holder of the Prince of All Terrorist Fund Raisers:

http://www.harrisonline.com/GRAPHICS/bush-abdullah.jpg

(not seen in the photo…Daddy in the back ground playing Gin Rummy with some of the Bin Laden’s)…

And last but not least…. BFF!!! http://www.intellexual.net/images/saddam-rumsfeld.jpg

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“I mean if a stalwart , tea party favorite (member of the tea party caucus) needs emergency funding ? What does that tell you?”

Uh, that Hope & Change’s policies are grossly ineffective at repairing this economy?

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Dusty,
I am going to check with WIkiLeaks just to be sure. That’s another liberal activist group. Probably popular here.

Not with me. I have no respect for them whatsoever

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Normal:

Yes, “Lady Kaga” is all a “GaGa” !

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Definitely a liberal sheep in redneck clothing @1:28.

What, no duct tape? or AR-15?

oh, and popeye…obama’s peeing on you – it’s not champagne;)

and Homosexuality is Normal.

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Normal:

I just wonder what kind of little white thingy she is going to wear around her neck.

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moonbat betty:

If homsexuality is normal, why don’t gay men get pregnant? Don’t you think evolution would have worked that out along the way?

Hummmmm ………………….

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“It is not as if he was installed by the supremes as the case with Bush, Jr”

Hyperbole, much? In case you were asleep during that election, the Supreme Court merely ruled that a SELECTIVE recount as Gore wanted was un-Constitutional.

In simpler terms you might understand, what Gore asked for was illegal. Thus, Bush was duly elected by the same standards as Hope & Change was. What a concept!

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Dear Normal,

I told a “joke” too and you didn’t laugh.

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Dusty … Nowhere in my post did I insult the braves. The insult was hurled at you for not knowing the difference in points VS runs in baseball!
As far as the military comment .. I conclude I was spot on…Stick with what you do best. You know the important things like what you’re having for lunch, what’s floating in your septic tank.

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“the Supreme Court merely ruled that a SELECTIVE recount as Gore wanted was un-Constitutional.”

Slight correction: “the Supreme Court merely ruled that a SELECTIVE recount as Gore wanted (and that was allowed by Florida law) was un-Constitutional”

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Well rightly or wrongly on the part of the Supremes, we can be glad that Al didn’t get to sit in the oval office.

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DON’T FORGET

I think WikiLeaks is the equivalent of Benedict Arnold against the free world. They are aiding terrorists in giant moves. They are illegal pirates of classified military material.

Assange is an Australian. I think they should treat him as the traitor he is. Australia is part of the free world and they should see that their citizen s do not undermine the military of the USA and Afghanistan.

I don’t think most Americans even know much about WikiLeaks. THEY SHOULD. WikiLeaks is trying to blackmail the UIS military because the USA is fighting terrorists and WikiLeaks is definitely an anti-war organization. They call it transparency! It is nothing but a spy system.

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Scout,
It doesn’t matter what she wears, she is still one of nine and will help deside yours and my fate for the rest of my life, at least. Doesn’t that give you the warm fuzzies?

and Bettys statement came from somthing she posted yesterday and I ran with it. I thought it was pretty good.

DUSTY,
You told a joke? Oops sorry, I missed it, but you know us “lib’rals” ain’t the brightest bulb in the chandelier…

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Well, I’ve had my say. I have to go now. Big party tonight for my clan. I’ll check in tomorrow, but I’ll be absent for the music blog.

Jay,
Have a great trip…see you next fall..I know, I know, I just couldn’t help myself…

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Popeye,
Are you still moping around? For goodness sake, I love to watch the Braves play aand I surely do know when they win. My baseball “language” is not always correct. That is mentioned at home sometimes (Hush yo fuss. honey!) GO BRAVES And that is correct baseball “language”..

As to the septic tank saga (which seems to stick in your mind), I was answering a question put forth by Josef. He wanted to know if anyone had exeprience with people who clean septic tanks. I told him my experience . Sorry it upset you. You must have cleaned lotsa septic tanks to get so bothered.. Anyway, I am not too interested in knowing how many.

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Dusty @August 6th, 2010
2:42 pm

I can’t really say I disagree with you on any of that.

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Del

OK, I hear that line all the time but did it bother you at all that bush cut taxes while we were fighting two wars? No other president or the congress has done that. What’s with all the sympathy for the two percent of the population that will get an automatic 3% increase when the tax cuts expire? They’ve gotten the most the past decade and can afford it, why do the peon class jump to their defense?

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Normal

August 6th, 2010
2:12 pm
C’on Dusty, lighten up…it was a joke ma’am…Don’t “Conservatives” have a sense of humor?

Normal …There idea of a sense of humor is watching Glenn Beck, and listening to Limbo yuk it up over the have nots….and the unemployed.
I have yet to meet a conservative who has a sense of humor…

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Del

Just to ask a question…

Do you think the Bush tax cuts helped in creating the housing bubble? If Bush had not asked for the tax cuts, do you think we would have had a slower recovery that would have been more stable in the long run?

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Mick… Didn’t you know all Bush’s problems were created by Clinton?

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Popeye,

You keep pitching but not one strike.

Beck or Limbo are never watched or heard at this house.

But I do know one thing. The unemployed are NOT looking for jokes or jobs from conservative Republicans.. They know we have a Democratic president and a Demo led Congress. That is where the unemployment questions are going. It is to Obama & Congress, neither of which has a high rate of approval.

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Del

You conveniently leave out the cost of those two wars, medicare part d, and the housing bubble in 2005-2006. While everyone and his brother was flipping and flopping real estate, realists knew that this could not be sustained but our regulatory agencies were sitting on the sidelines because the executive branch was not interested in enforcing regulations, especially in energy. Make light of the stimulus but even conservative economists admit it has helped the economy. Why are you against spending that helps your fellow citizens. Remember, cheney said, deficits don’t matter, reagan proved that”.

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SoCo,

No I don’t believe the tax cuts had anything really to do with housing bubble. The bubble was caused by greed, loose lending standards and political enablers from both parties. As for your second question, I don’t think stability would have resulted one way or the other. Recovery, certainly would have taken longer.

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Del @ 3:11

Keep on saying it: ” his (Obama’s) social spending agenda exacerbates economic recovery.” TRUE! And…..the deficit is still 14 TRILLION..

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Dusty

Keep on hiding behind your blind loyalty to bush, a decent man who should never been president. He was handed a surplus and when he left the only addition obama has made to the deficit is the 786B stimulus. So scream socialist from here to the mountain tops of georgia, but it was your boy who took the surplus into a trillion dollar debt. China is so proud of how they bought our country and at the same time is breaking our backs financing two wars – thanks a lot george.

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Saul Good “JohnB… is there bias by the Jews on the court anytime a Jewish defendant or Jewish attorney comes before them?”

That wasn’t my concern. She obviously supports same-sex marriage and we all know how she will rule on the issue.

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Mick,.

Keep living off your anti-Bushisms and your hate for Cheney. It is poor fare but all you offer here.

Bush led us though desperate times and Cheney has served the government of the USA for most of his professional life. He is a very smart and loyal man.

You make too many twists & turns to try and blame the current deficit on Bush. You may try but most of America is looking at Obama and the Demo led Congress. They are not blaming Bush. They are blaming Obama. You can keep looking at Bush in your rear view mirror while the economy tanks right in front of you with Obama driving it.. Too bad you cannot face reality.

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Scout-

Not sure

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Scout, sophomoric. At best.

What part of EQUALITY do you NOT get?

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Dave R 4:45 Let me tell you about the part of equality I
Don’t get. I Don’t get equality under affirmative action,
equal opportunity employment,hate crimes, or gender
preference in hiring.

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Ignorance reverberates from sea to shining sea! Disgusting, intellectually/morally/ethically dead RepubliCowards. It never ceases. The Little People of the land. Low-brows all. Scum de terra.

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I do not think it is OK to discriminate against or for gays, lesbians,
blacks, hispanics, females, or any other group that can ask
for discriminatory status. The effort to remove the badges of
slavery is accomplished except for one thing. The unpaid wages
due the slaves should be calculated, the descendents located,
and paid, with interest. Then it should be over.

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“if the glove don’t fit you must acquit” !

“And so he bowed.”

Permanently gone upstairs …………….

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barking frog: The unpaid wages due the slaves should be calculated, the descendents located,
and paid, with interest. Then it should be over.
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Done. It’s called welfare. Foodstamps, Medicaid, section 8 housing. It’s been paid many times over by folks whose ancestors never owned slaves.

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Mary Elizabeth

August 6th, 2010
12:59 pm
Moderate Line, As always, I enjoyed reading your comments (10:15 a.m.) I just want to stretch the thought a bit. I remember a time in the South in which the “Democratic Process,” as you say, would have taken forever to alter Jim Crow or change the marriage laws for blacks and whites to legally marry. Many generations would have continued to suffer under Jim Crow with that democratic process, alone. The federal courts were essential in changing Jim Crow’s laws.
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First, Democracy is not perfect. Second, Jim Crow laws were passed by states which had largely disenfranchised many of the voters both white and black. In other words they were not democratic. Third, there were already laws passed democratically that were overturned by the Supreme Court. For example, the Civil Rights Act of 1875 was ruled by the Supreme Court to be constitutional. In 1896 the Supreme Court ruled in Plessy v. Ferguson separate but equal was constitutional.

Democracy usually favors liberals which is why conservatives want to pass laws which typically produce lower voter turnout.

It is surprising to me how quickly liberals abandon democracy when it doesn’t favor them.

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Mary Elizabeth

August 6th, 2010
12:59 pm
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To further illustrate my point. Mississippi was majority black until 1940.
Louisianna was majority black until 1890.
South Carolina was majority black until 1920.
Georgia was 47% black in 1890.
Florida was 43% black in 1890.
Tennesse was 25% black in 1890.

Democracy wasn’t flawed concerning Jim Crow. It didn’t exist.
http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0056/twps0056.html

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Johnny Reb: For someone privileged people might expect you to get the spelling of same right.

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@Little Barry Bailout “Done. It’s called welfare. Foodstamps, Medicaid, section 8 housing. It’s been paid many times over by folks whose ancestors never owned slaves.”

It’s nice & convenient to group everyone together, isn’t it?

Sorry – but as a descendant of slaves (great-great grandmother) – I haven’t gotten any of that. It’s hard enough for people to even recognize/come to terms with what slavery was in this country. But of course, when people watch their beloved “GWTW” – all the slaves were happy anyway, right?

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Okay, RW, I’m here…who else?

We’re no longer…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bHeD73YYyQ

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Should we rename this the Jaydome where we have to wait for FEMA?

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My, my, my, isn’t someone a clever boy!

In honor of my time earlier this week in South Dakota…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF1jH6Cv0tk

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I sent an email to AJC about the second floor being in disrepair. No response from maintenance yet.

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Bruno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd2C4uyeaXw

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I sent an email to AJC about the second floor being in disrepair. No response from maintenance yet.

eyes,

That better be a joke or they’ll be shutting us down again for sure and you’ll become Hurricane Eyes, the second named storm of Jay B’s vacation.

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RW,

Ut oh…what did I do?

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eyes,

Hurricane Paul complained about the next floor up so they shut it down. If you get them snooping around on this one we’ll have to tunnel down.

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The original M*A*S*H is on TV. One of the greats…

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RW
Jaydome! I like that!

j$

Thanks!

eyes
You’re not the only one! Me, too!

For all us who found our way…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFsZ_D0moco

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josef–As the famed philosopher Borat once said “Beat the Gypsies”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sonyzY_W474

AmVet–Really digging the “Badlands” selection. Of course the Badlands of Jersey are a tad different from those in SD……..

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For RW….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KxiEjPCXA8

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Senior EOI

SoCo,

Sure if EOI now means End Of It.

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Back at ya with my favorite FB/Maze song, SC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjGvsUwXnLY

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SoCo

Billy singing for us here tonight…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un63LEAN22E

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Guess who’s riding the Soul Train? There’s FIVE and it ain’t the Dave Clark Five.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K133PHTPQjM

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eyes
@ 9:45

That was TOO good!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpKJUa6IoBs

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RW
Yeah, but he ran off and left us to be evicted!

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Bruno,

Yes, I did catch your answer late that night. The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test – man, that takes me back. It was the last year of my time in the USAF when I read that book. Now, it is long gone, a victim of real bookworms.

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Bruno,

I still have a VHS copy of “”Reefer Madness”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbY9ePebWB8

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RW & josef,

Well, the Bruin ran off, but RW has a good point.

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JB was way late to the party

Well there certainly isn’t anything new in that statement and it doesn’t really matter what topic its used on.

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AmVet,

Have you ever listened carefully to the lyrics of this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7in-9E3ImQ&feature=av2e

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Well, there was Hurricane Paul, but I was the Eye of the Hurricane.

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josef,

I only heard that Cash “Hurt” recently. I was well….speechless. Amazing amazing song.

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eyes,

This is my go-to tranquil song

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RW,

I has never that much into Pink Floyd, but that one I like.

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josef,

But then there is this one – a bit more amp to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PstrAfoMKlc&feature=av2e

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Somehow I knew that was gonna be Metallica.

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RW

I was eating at a T.G.I. Friday’s and heard this version..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HoynyGj6CM

Or at least it was an orchestra playing it similar to this. This version sounds like something you’d hear in a movie just before the hero bites the dust.

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eyes–Enjoyed the ahmadinejad song along with the Santo & Johhny number.

You’ll have to count me out on the JC “Hurt”, though. Didn’t care much for the Trent Reznor original either.

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I have to check out but before I do, check this out. Who knew that Sheryl Crow sand with the King of Pop?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Gz821Bnhg

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eyes–Let me make one small attempt to win you over to some early Pink Floyd:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeCyVmhvN8w

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eyes

My “look more closely at Pink Floyd…”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7xj8xikyD8&feature=related

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RW

I noticed that nobody had any of them on today. I got my quota of blood and mayhem by watching this movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmdP1qTjGZY

I bought three of the four dvd’s that I know of from that series today.

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Bruno

Thanks…I’m particularly fond of that video…it and the song say a lot about how I see things in relation to my own self in time and space….

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Bruno
My grandfather once said that here we are, this infintissimally unimportant and seemingly so insignificant virtual nonentity and yet, at the same time, the universe being infinite in all directions, we are at its very center…

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Would rather not, but it’s been a long week and I’m fading…so good night and will catch up with y’all tomorrow sometime…

And, thanks, RW, for bringing us here…!

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josef,

You keep thanking me and running off, and don’t think I don’t appreciate it, but the thanks should go to j$.

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I was about to say I haven’t heard of that movie, but it sounds like one hell of a movie. I’ll have to look for that or something of that nature. It’s been Kung Fu Theatre day at my house. Finishing up with The Chinese Superninjas right now.

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Guess we’ll have to see if this thread can surpass 2404.

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SoCo,

If you do look for that movie keep in mind that my youth was probably before you were a gleam in anybody’s eye and I’m pretty sure it was at one of those all night horror flick marathons at a drive-in theatre so who knows if they even made copies of those things for posterity.

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Something tells me they’ll sniff it out.

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About 26 minutes early, but what the hey…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7A2acBVENA

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The Morning Magpies!

Brings a smile.

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Fun math fact for the day:

Every non-zero, finite inner product space has an orthonormal basis.

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Aren’t fun facts supposed to be fun? Or at least decipherable?

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Every non-zero, finite inner product space has an orthonormal basis.

And every homerun requires the touching of four bases.

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Shazam!!! IMDB did have it

/I shoulda known Gore was involved….

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LMFAO!!!!!!!

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SoCo,

At least it turned out not to be the shrooms and I was even in the right neighborhood time wise. There must be a few working brain cells left

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I was thinking the same thing about the shrooms. There’s hope for you after all.

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//nuthin’ there to read anymores But I’m gonna fix that, double dammeet!!!

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Honu,

Sign up with WaPo and your inbox will never be without messages.

Are you still a Nutjob or have you gone back to PA?

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SoCo,

Since we’re heavily bunkered in the Jay B underground you need to get your rest in case the rest of us need help moving to new digs later. The first was known to pretty much everyone as Animal House and the second was from the fantastic performance Val Kilmer turned in as Doc Holliday in Tombstone.

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Honu,

The current Dems loved the wrestler stuff when they could say things like “Can you smell what BaRock is cooking?” but they don’t like it as much anymore. I hope you guys don’t give in to the faux shame and go ahead and elect her.

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Not if I can help it, RW — I’ll go work for the Blumenthal campaign if I have to! But even Vince is now worried about her effect on “the business!”

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Yeah, RW, but it was 7 or more not long ago. And though the Bravos have not relinquished it, the hold is tenuous with 7 or so weeks left. Thankfully the Mets are miserable. And the Rangers look like they could actually shake off the Bush/Sammie non-curse, but….I’ll believe it when I see it. And ditto the one for fourteen Braves. But at least there are five pennants to enjoy.

Hasta la vista, babies…

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Paradise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vC65_cq0Js&feature=related

Then the coal company came with the world’s largest shovel
And they tortured the timber and stripped all the land
Well, they dug for their coal till the land was forsaken
Then they wrote it all down as the progress of man.

And daddy won’t you take me back to Muhlenberg County
Down by the Green River where Paradise lay
Well, I’m sorry my son, but you’re too late in asking
Mister Peabody’s coal train has hauled it away

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So I got up this morning and decided it would be fun to go to Wally World and what do you suppose I found there? A sign that said—Closed Due To Hurricane Paul

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RW:

I must admit, I was somewhat torn when I backtracked. There was Paul…defending my post and calling for Whoopi to be banned, all in one fell swoop. Soooooooooo

I decided to throw myself at the feet of the First Amendment.

Tough choice.

(ISH)

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We’re still here. Has Hurricane Paul been downgraded to a tropical storm?

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josef,

I only heard that Cash “Hurt” recently. I was well….speechless. Amazing amazing song.

I’ve listened to that Cash cover approximately eleventy thousand times over the past several years. I hear something a bit different every time.

the gents at Sound Opinions interviewed the song’s author, Trent Reznor, I think it was last year. They asked him how he felt about being covered by Cash. Paraphrasing here, but Reznor said 1) it was an honor; growing up in a semi-rural part of Illinois, Cash was king when he was a kid, and 2) it was a fascinating choice, and strange to hear another man sing it, since Reznor felt that “Hurt” was one of the most deeply personal songs he’d ever written.

in case anyone cares.

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Five oh oneth on the dead thread. I rock.

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Still no Paul??

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lol!!!!

He’ll eventually find his way here. I just know it.

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That Maxine Waters thing reminds me of Zell Miller and “Shirley’s little bank” quite a few years ago. I’m probably the only person who remembers that, though.

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Won’t ask where you’ve been since it’s none of my business.

Whatever scenario you could dream up is probably a lot more interesting than the truth. (IW&SH)

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