Time to hang out the “Gone fishin’ sign once again
Last week, we were talking about having a soul-themed edition of Travelin’ Music, and I still think that’s a great idea. But not tonight. When we all step aboard the Soul Train, I want to be here. And tonight, I’m not.
In fact, as I mentioned in comments earlier, I’m not going to be around for the next two weeks. And unlike my recent cross-country “vacation,” this time I’m not bringing you with me. As Rick said to Ilsa, “Where I’m going, you can’t follow. What I’ve got to do, you can’t be any part of.” I’m headed out to the high desert of Oregon again for a couple of weeks of whitewater rafting, fishing and camping, and among that region’s many charms is the fact that cell phones and computers are utterly useless out there.
So for tonight, I’ll leave you with this, a piece that serves as the official theme song for the group of guys who have made this same trip annually for almost 20 years now. In fact, somebody at work asked me the other day whether I was ever going to get too old for this trip, given that we run the trip ourselves, without guides.
“Maybe someday,” I told her. “Someday when I’m dead and buried, that is.”
Be kind to each other while I’m gone.
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barking frog
August 8th, 2010
6:57 pm
suppertime, back later.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
6:58 pm
barking frog:
Hey ……….. remember Bob Brandy and Ingrid ?
Did you ever get up on Lookout Mtn. to Lula Lake Falls ?
josef nix
August 8th, 2010
7:00 pm
barking frog
Among the ancestors was a fellow who married a Cherokee woman and went with her during Removal to Oklahoma…their five sons served under General Stand Watie in the late unpleasantness…some of their descendents, enrolled Cherokee, are still practicing Jews, talk about throwing those unfamiliar with Southern history into a state of confusion…!
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
7:03 pm
http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=231340
I guess having his buddy swim under his boat wearing SCUBA gear attaching fish he bought at Publix paid off.
Next stop… fishing tournament at Sonny’s new $30 Million dollar dock and CEEment launching ramp (which is located in a former mud hole in Sonny’s backyard)…
BTW…it was DUSTY who brought up Burger King… I simply pointed out that BK does not like American Cows…they prefer Aussie and NZ cows…must be something about the meat “curing” in that salted air while it crosses the mighty seas to get here.
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
7:06 pm
josef: “some of their descendents, enrolled Cherokee, are still practicing Jews, talk about throwing those unfamiliar with Southern history into a state of confusion…!”
Now THAT’S…err…. I forgot what I was going to say..still pondering it… Oy…
Okay…back to cooking…
BTW josef…when I come back on later or in the AM…I’ll gladly give you “advice” to pass along to your singer friend in training….
josef nix
August 8th, 2010
7:11 pm
SAUL
When you check back in…I’ll be in tomorrow p.m. so save your suggestions for then if you’ll be so kind…
Also, one of the untold stories of American history is the role of the Sephardim in the colonial and early national period in the development of the Southern culture…there was a great deal of intermarriage between them and the Indians…a fascinating read once you open it up…
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
7:17 pm
Scout, I remember them both. all over Lookout. parked at lula
lake but never sent a car over.
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
7:21 pm
josef, I am not too familiar, with the jewish-cherokee connection,
but I am aware that much of the cherokee civilization came from
scottish and jewish traders. Some people believe that the throne
of David was the throne of Scotland until the English took it.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
7:30 pm
barking frog.
We lived several place in the area but from the ninth until graduation (from Rossville H.S.) I lived about a mile from the falls on that dirt road. It was our play/hunting groud ! What a great place to grow up but boy did it get foggy sometimes.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
7:30 pm
P.S. As the crow flies looking on the map we grew up about 5 miles from each other.
josef nix
August 8th, 2010
7:32 pm
barking frog…
Professor Donald Panther Yates is the most intriguing person writing on this at the present…he’s done a lot of DNA studies, particularly with the Melungeons…once you consider that the expulsions from Spain were in 1492 and put into the equation the factor that many of those “underground” seized the opportunity to put an ocean between them and the inquisition it begins to make sense that no small few would come to the furtherest reaches of the Spanish empire (Florida being one of those places) and go native…so to speak…DNA is backing this up…the mention of Scotland is of interest. Scotland (with Ireland) has the distinction of being the only two European societies to have never persecuted Jews, a pattern also evidenced in the American South…incidentally, there is a community of Cherokee Jews in Israel today…
Del
August 8th, 2010
7:39 pm
Don’t answer your telephone…it’s a political call.
josef nix
August 8th, 2010
7:41 pm
Del
Don’t answer the phone? Now you tell me! It was the mother-in-law and it WAS political!
Del
August 8th, 2010
7:46 pm
josef,
OMG…a mother in law. Quick tell her that so and so went to the store and you will have them return the call. Then disconnect the land line telephone service. Go to bed happy.
Del
August 8th, 2010
7:51 pm
Oh well, we just finished my not yet famous San Francisco Ciappino and my home made delicious Ceasar salad. Life is good.
josef nix
August 8th, 2010
7:54 pm
DEL
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
7:57 pm
Back in town and caught up here. Hello All.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
7:58 pm
there is a community of Cherokee Jews in Israel today…
Josef,
Say what?
Del
August 8th, 2010
8:00 pm
josef,
My Mother in Laws are all deceased may the R.I.P. Actually, I’ve had 3 of them…I know, I know, that doesn’t speak very well for me, however, I did try to always be nice though.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:02 pm
Del,
You still dining on that? I thought that you mentioned that culinary treat several hours ago.
You must have filled the punch bowl with that Caesar salad.
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
8:03 pm
I started to say Rossville, but did the old CYA thing
i was taught in the AF. Yes it was a different time
and place. When I was in HS my cousin and I worked
at the Dude Motel until 10 pm and then we would
walk 41 around lookout mtn to Rossville Blvd and
go down the blvd starting cars on the used car lots.
they left the keys in them then. we never drove one
away, it never occurred to us. Usually end up
at the Rebel and hitch back with someone there.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:07 pm
This blog is going all over the road without any moderation from our Blogger In Chief.
josef nix
August 8th, 2010
8:07 pm
eyes
Seriously! They’re part of the Breslever movement…this particular “thingie” is something I talk about in “Dereconstructing…” It’s way too complicated to go into here…
Del
August 8th, 2010
8:08 pm
eyes,
Oh yeah and a few glasses of wine…the fish requires some prep time. I enjoy cooking as long as someone else cleans up. My wife will do so and we get along just fine.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:08 pm
Josef,
Sometimes, I think that you are way too complicated to come in here.
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
8:09 pm
josef, there is even speculation that the lost years of Jesus
may have been spent in Scotland with his uncle Joseph of
Arimathea who had tin mine interests there. Much trade
between the tin mines and the middle east occurred at that time.
Many of the Cherokee tribal customs seem to parallel the
jewish customs especially regarding strong women,toleration
of homosexuality, and giving children much consideration and
freedom.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:10 pm
Del,
Well, it does sound like you eat well. Dusty’s diet makes me fat just listening.
josef nix
August 8th, 2010
8:11 pm
Del
Three mothers in law! Oy, mate! One has been quite enough for me! She’s one of those genteel Southern ladies who went right up to the line and never said anything you could possibly take umbrage over, but it was very clear what she thought…it took about 20 years but she finally began to warm up to me (well as warm as she’ll ever get!) and now she’s happy that I’ve made her little prince happy…but three? What DID you do in your last life?
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
8:12 pm
What do you want to do,eyes, discuss fishing?
Del
August 8th, 2010
8:13 pm
eyes,
I don’t know. Fast food for us except for an occasional delivered pizza is rare.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:15 pm
barking of the lost years of Jesus,
When I was studying Slavic Culture and History, we were given Old Church Slavic (OCS) translations of portion of the Tetra Biblos. Those four books contain a lot of tales not ready fro prime time in the Bible. One that I remember goes like this.
The boy Jesus was playing with his friend one day. Jesus got on swing and began to swing ever higher into the sky. Finally, he leaped off the swing and landed on the earth. He then asked his friend to try the same trick. His friend began to swing quite high and then jumped and fell to his death. Hmmm. No wonder that story did not make the cut.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 8th, 2010
8:16 pm
There once was a kkklown named hole
It’s husk was empty of brain and soul
But that didn’t stop it from babbling
For a simpleton it did not mind being
Hush, don’t any of you try to tell it
We know it is full of…. just sayin.
Del
August 8th, 2010
8:17 pm
josef,
I was a little too crazy but now I’ve tamed down. Probably more lucky than I deserve.
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
8:17 pm
Speaking of the Big Blogster the area he is going to
is probably one of the most beautiful places on earth,
Portland-Seattle is next to east tn,north ga,w nc
for scenery in my book.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 8th, 2010
8:18 pm
Did you nut up on any Burger Kings while you were away, shaveit?
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:19 pm
barking frog,
Nah. I don’t know much about fishing. And growing up Catholic, I was never too fond of seafood until I discovered sushi.
josef nix
August 8th, 2010
8:19 pm
barking frog
I don’t know if you’ve ever read the James Adair book Hillbilly and I’ve been talking about here, but it is truly intriguing (The History of the American Indians, 1775–available on the web) He details in depth the customs and rituals he saw in common with the Hebraic…he dealt with the Cherokee but his most sustained contact was with the Chickasaw and Choctaw…
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:22 pm
barking frog,
I know what you mean. I have been up to the Pacific Northwest several times. It’s green, it’s beautiful, and it’s a very livable area with good seafood and wine. You know popeye is moving back to Oregon in September.
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
8:22 pm
eyes, how about when Jesus said Who is without sin among you
cast the first stone. A woman crushed her skull with a rock and Jesus
said Mother sometimes you really p*ss me off.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:24 pm
Andy,
I have to watch my figure. You go ahead and dine at Burger King for me. For my money, Carl’s Jr is the best.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:24 pm
barking frog,
lol.
josef nix
August 8th, 2010
8:25 pm
eyes
@ 8:08
Complicated? Gee, and all this time I thought I was a simpleton! At least that’s what some around here have told me…
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:26 pm
josef,
Unmentionable is Cherokee, is he not?
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:27 pm
josef,
I have me one of those universal translators from Star Trek, so I am doing all right.
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
8:27 pm
eyes, my impression is that you are married to a celestial lady
which would put you on an excellent diet, am i right/
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:29 pm
barking frog,
I lived in Marrieta when I was in 6th grade. I recall that my family and family friends took a trek to Tennessee one weekend to a lake. My dad spent half the day on his water skiis. Any idea what the name of the lake might be?
Del
August 8th, 2010
8:29 pm
Well I’ll have to say good night gentleman, it seems the ladies have had other things to do.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:32 pm
barking frog,
Yes, my celestial nihon jin no onna no hito is a fine cook, and we have Japanese food often. Trouble is…I do like to have a burger every now and then. And every summer, I like to do the backyard barbecue thing.
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
8:32 pm
Probably Lake Chickamauga at that time.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:33 pm
Del,
Good night.
josef nix
August 8th, 2010
8:35 pm
eyes
Cherokee and Choctaw…got a some white folks in there, too,..I got tickled one night when we were in the Northwest and he was talking about background…he says “well the Irish comes in on the Cherokee side and the French on the Choctaw side…” The look on the faces was something to see! They just didn’t “get it!”
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
8:36 pm
Good for the taste buds bad for the waistline. My cousin
has heart trouble and he says his diet is “If it tastes good
spit it out,”
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:36 pm
I am going to take a break from the blogoshpere, too. Have a good evening all.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
8:38 pm
One last thing….
A former colleague who is a Mid-West fellow told me of his diet, “If it’s never walked or crawled on the earth, I don’t eat it.”
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 8th, 2010
8:39 pm
shaveit- You’re supposed to eat one Double Stacker, not ten of them.
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
8:43 pm
josef, you may know eyes and I were linguists in the AF -I had
russian and vietnamese training and was stationed in japan and
at that time okinawa and became familiar with japanese. The
cherokee language(spoken) has some common traits with asian
languages.
josef nix
August 8th, 2010
8:49 pm
barking
I’m a linguist as well…and, yes, the American Indian languages are Mongolian…grammatically and syntactically…when I began to study Magyar the “connections” with Choctaw and Cherokee were amazing…what was really fascinating was what were the “loan words” from the Indo European languages and how they were adapted to the contemporary languages…
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
8:56 pm
josef, the gi, kee, ga endings mean “living thing” the same as the ki in japanese and
the chi in chinese. also the kansa name is easily identified with the Khan.
josef nix
August 8th, 2010
8:57 pm
As much as I’m enjoying it, it’s time to check out…the little ones come back tomorrow and I’ve got to be bright eyed and chipper to greet the lil b*stids coming off the bus all bright eyed and smiling, happy to be back in the world where they’re the center of attention…the joy of my year…
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
9:02 pm
A certain person here has been on the phone for way longer than I can ever do…so….let me say…..
barking and josef,
The origin of the Japanese language is fraught with debate, but what is perhaps more fascinating in Japan is the other indigenous language there – the language of the Ainu. Recently, linguists have discovered an astounding similarity to Asiatic languages, themselves somewhat of a mystery, like the Basque tongue.
The Fino-Ubric language family and the Magyar language, of course, do not have European origins.
Fascinating to me is the fact that the Hopi and Navaho languages have some many words in the lexicon that refer to different types of snow. Interesting the Eskimo languages feature the same variety of words to describe settled and falling snow flakes.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
9:04 pm
barking,
今は、ちょっとやすみます。 でも、またきますね。
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
9:06 pm
eyes, I believe the original Ainu were tall and
lightskinned, I know many of the people at
wakkanai were much larger than the southerners.
might have been diet though.
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
9:08 pm
can’t read it eyes.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
9:10 pm
barking,
I brought home an Ainu crated wooden necklace with the figure of an Ainu princess. Unfortunately, when I got back to the State, someone ripped me off. I find the Ainu very fascinating. So similar they are to Native Americans in their beliefs and lifestyle.
Now, my wife is putting together some onigiri (rice balls) so, I got to get going. Catch you later.
mata ne.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
9:11 pm
barking,
You need the Japanese IME font. Anyway, I said, “Now, I have to rest a bit. But, I will be back.”
Southern Comfort
August 8th, 2010
10:23 pm
日本語を話すことができる多数、しかしそれを読むことができる多数はいません。
Scout
August 8th, 2010
10:39 pm
Enter your comments here
Scout
August 8th, 2010
10:42 pm
barking frog:
It took a brave man to go to the Rebel back then. If you got out of your car you stood a 50/50 change of getting into a fight. What was the name of that place about a block south of there where the carhops would actually bring bottled beer to you? Mike’s or something like that ?
P.S. I still angry with you Air Force guys for throwing me out of your messhall when I was on “in country” R&R in Da Nang in 1968 …………………
)
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
11:02 pm
Scout, I can’t remember the place with the beer, we drank
but we went to the grocery store on the end of market st
and bought Pfeiffer by the imperial qt.
Unusual, air force mess halls were usually open 24/7
to all services. I got thrown out of a couple but it
was for being loud and drunk.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
11:14 pm
Ah, the wonderful world of Islam
Headline: “Taliban executes Christian medical team in Afghanistan; 6 American doctors among those murdered”
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
11:15 pm
Southern Comfort, thanks to google I can say
you are correct.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
11:17 pm
barking frog:
I bet you spent some time at Lake Winnepesauka also. I almost got thown out of there for stacking up all of the boats in the tunnel at the boat slide ……………
On the messhall thing, your pilots save my life a couple of times so I ahead of the game …….
By the way, would you do me a favor tonight ……….. one veteran to another ?
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
11:19 pm
Scout, that is indeed a tragedy, for the loss of life
and the end to the aid they were giving.
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
11:20 pm
vet to vet, if i can.
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
11:22 pm
Many good times at the lake, My wife’s annual company picnic
was held there for years. for the kids of course.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
11:23 pm
Headline: “Taliban executes Christian medical team in Afghanistan; 6 American doctors among those murdered”
Ah, the wonderful world of Islam.. What will they think of next? Maybe a new Mosque at the site of the execution ?
Scout
August 8th, 2010
11:26 pm
barking frog:
As a favor to this old jarhead: Please before you go to bed just sit down somewhere by yourself and read Luke 15: 11-32
popeye
August 8th, 2010
11:26 pm
Scout what are your thoughts on this news?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100808/ap_on_re_as/as_vietnam_us_military_mates
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
11:28 pm
OK scout, I can do that.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
11:30 pm
barking frog:
http://www.drwebman.com/bob_brandy/
Scout
August 8th, 2010
11:31 pm
barking frog:
Thank you sir and Semper Fi !
TAPS !!
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
11:35 pm
Scout, BTW my cousin just retired last year, 30 in the Corps, Lt. Col.
got to retire as colonel, of course, He married a japanese girl in
1969, and they bought them a lot on the ocean and are building
a house in Japan near the Marine base Iwakuni.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
11:37 pm
One more …………..
Popeye:
Just saw yours so before I hit the rack ……….. we’re allies with the Japanese, the Germans and the Italians. I guess this was inevitable.
I even have a very nice polo shirt that I wear sometimes ……… black with a big embroidered logo over where my heart is.
It has the Marine Corps Eagle, Globe and Anchor with the crossed flags of the U.S. and Vietnam and under that it says “Marine Security Guard Detachment – Hanoi”.
Japan and Germany have the same thing ………….. time marches on.
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
11:44 pm
Scout, I have more respect for some of the VC than for some of
homeboys i met when i came back in 68.
popeye
August 8th, 2010
11:52 pm
I know scout that is what I’ve been trying to tell you for the last two years!
RW-(the original)
August 9th, 2010
12:42 am
It was about this time in August of 1988 that the Russians started pulling out of Afghanistan having been there for 9 years.
Is it time to end Obama’s “good war?”
Don't Forget
August 9th, 2010
1:06 am
RW-(the original)
August 9th, 2010
12:42 am
It was about this time in August of 1988 that the Russians started pulling out of Afghanistan having been there for 9 years.
Is it time to end Obama’s “good war?”
Maybe, but I don’t really think Afghanistan is about Afghanistan. It’s about Pakistan.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 9th, 2010
5:01 am
Every year, we negotiate a renewal to our health coverage. This year, our provider demanded a 28% increase in premiums—for a lesser plan. This is in part a tax increase that the federal government has co-opted insurance providers to collect. We had never faced an increase anywhere near this large; in each of the last two years, the increase was under 10%.
Not gonna raise taxes, eh?
Saul Good
August 9th, 2010
6:03 am
Whiner… That might be simply the BIGGEST crock of BS you’ve ever posted. Please post the page and section where it states that the federal government has “co-opted” insurance providers to collect a tax increase. You truly will believe just about ANYTHING if it comes from one of your “fear” and propaganda providers huh?
Finn McCool
August 9th, 2010
6:31 am
So why have so many in Washington, especially in the news media, been taken in by this flimflam? It’s not just inability to do the math, although that’s part of it. There’s also the unwillingness of self-styled centrists to face up to the realities of the modern Republican Party; they want to pretend, in the teeth of overwhelming evidence, that there are still people in the G.O.P. making sense. And last but not least, there’s deference to power — the G.O.P. is a resurgent political force, so one mustn’t point out that its intellectual heroes have no clothes.
But they don’t. The Ryan plan is a fraud that makes no useful contribution to the debate over America’s fiscal future.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/opinion/06krugman.html?_r=1
The State
August 9th, 2010
6:44 am
The Ryan Plan is a fraud.
Paul Ryan is a white man. His kind have oppressed every ethnic and gender manority throughout history. We are solving this inequality as we speak.
The days of rugged, individualism are over. It is the collective will that is important.
Come to us. All of your problems will be solved.
Come to us. (free healthcare).
USinUK
August 9th, 2010
7:08 am
… it’s going to be a long 2 weeks …
stands for decibels
August 9th, 2010
7:12 am
That might be simply the BIGGEST crock of BS you’ve ever posted. Please post the page and section where it states that the federal government has “co-opted” insurance providers to collect a tax increase.
Well, viewed another way, Whiner has just acknowledged that we all experienced massive tax increases under the Bush Administration.
Finn McCool
August 9th, 2010
7:22 am
America Goes Dark
How did we get to this point? It’s the logical consequence of three decades of antigovernment rhetoric, rhetoric that has convinced many voters that a dollar collected in taxes is always a dollar wasted, that the public sector can’t do anything right.
The antigovernment campaign has always been phrased in terms of opposition to waste and fraud — to checks sent to welfare queens driving Cadillacs, to vast armies of bureaucrats uselessly pushing paper around. But those were myths, of course; there was never remotely as much waste and fraud as the right claimed. And now that the campaign has reached fruition, we’re seeing what was actually in the firing line: services that everyone except the very rich need, services that government must provide or nobody will, like lighted streets, drivable roads and decent schooling for the public as a whole.
So the end result of the long campaign against government is that we’ve taken a disastrously wrong turn. America is now on the unlit, unpaved road to nowhere.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/09/opinion/09krugman.html?hp
TaxPayer
August 9th, 2010
7:24 am
Top Republican leaders in the House offered a fairly strong signal on Sunday that they would favor a down-the-road raising of the Social Security retirement age as part of an effort to revamp the entitlement program.
This calls for a tax cut.
USinUK
August 9th, 2010
7:28 am
Finn – “The antigovernment campaign has always been phrased in terms of opposition to waste and fraud — to checks sent to welfare queens driving Cadillacs, to vast armies of bureaucrats uselessly pushing paper around”
meanwhile … they conveniently ignore the Bernie Madoffs, the Ken Lays, the Richard Fulds, the Robert Nardellis when they cheer about how much more efficient / honest / better the “free market” is
USinUK
August 9th, 2010
7:30 am
“That might be simply the BIGGEST crock of BS you’ve ever posted. ”
and, as we’re talking about whiner / AmSpec, that’s sayin’ something!
stands for decibels
August 9th, 2010
7:30 am
Perhaps the best thing to do in Jay’s absence would be to find a particularly sublime contribution from another blogger’s comments page and paste it in here, say, once, twice a day?
To get the ball rolling, submitted for your approval this, from the weekend’s Tboggery:
Some f—wit called in to Washington Journal this morning to announce that we could pay down the debt if “Obama would keep that wife of his home” because she’s setting a terrible example and everybody hates her overseas and on and on and on. It may have devolved into a rant about the CIA spying on his lunch or something, I was laughing too hard by that time to listen, having sat through almost an hour of “Reagan proved tax cuts will save the economy!”
Remember, folks, these are the people who vote! And consider themselves politically astute!
Outhouse GoKart
August 9th, 2010
7:32 am
The State
August 9th, 2010
6:44 am
BLAH BLAH BLAH…have another glass of kool-aid.
PS…good thing Jay doesnt have lots of money or he may be forced to travel to MontGOMERy AL for his Vaca.
Saul Good
August 9th, 2010
7:33 am
If you simply re-package the same old garbage…you still end up with the same old garbage. That about sums up Ryan Paul’s great “plan”… you know the one where he basically calls for tax breaks for the wealthy while screwing the middle class. How exactly is that any different compared to what Bush did?
**”…Mr. Ryan’s plan calls for steep cuts in both spending and taxes. He’d have you believe that the combined effect would be much lower budget deficits, and, according to that Washington Post report, he speaks about deficits “in apocalyptic terms.” And The Post also tells us that his plan would, indeed, sharply reduce the flow of red ink: “The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that Rep. Paul Ryan’s plan would cut the budget deficit in half by 2020.”
But the budget office has done no such thing. At Mr. Ryan’s request, it produced an estimate of the budget effects of his proposed spending cuts — period. It didn’t address the revenue losses from his tax cuts.
The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center has, however, stepped into the breach. Its numbers indicate that the Ryan plan would reduce revenue by almost $4 trillion over the next decade. If you add these revenue losses to the numbers The Post cites, you get a much larger deficit in 2020, roughly $1.3 trillion.
And that’s about the same as the budget office’s estimate of the 2020 deficit under the Obama administration’s plans. That is, Mr. Ryan may speak about the deficit in apocalyptic terms, but even if you believe that his proposed spending cuts are feasible — which you shouldn’t — the Roadmap wouldn’t reduce the deficit. All it would do is cut benefits for the middle class while slashing taxes on the rich. “**