Time to hang out the “Gone fishin’ sign once again
Last week, we were talking about having a soul-themed edition of Travelin’ Music, and I still think that’s a great idea. But not tonight. When we all step aboard the Soul Train, I want to be here. And tonight, I’m not.
In fact, as I mentioned in comments earlier, I’m not going to be around for the next two weeks. And unlike my recent cross-country “vacation,” this time I’m not bringing you with me. As Rick said to Ilsa, “Where I’m going, you can’t follow. What I’ve got to do, you can’t be any part of.” I’m headed out to the high desert of Oregon again for a couple of weeks of whitewater rafting, fishing and camping, and among that region’s many charms is the fact that cell phones and computers are utterly useless out there.
So for tonight, I’ll leave you with this, a piece that serves as the official theme song for the group of guys who have made this same trip annually for almost 20 years now. In fact, somebody at work asked me the other day whether I was ever going to get too old for this trip, given that we run the trip ourselves, without guides.
“Maybe someday,” I told her. “Someday when I’m dead and buried, that is.”
Be kind to each other while I’m gone.
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Silly
August 8th, 2010
10:07 am
@@ polls show that left-wingers did not like her name so she changed it to appease them. Now isn’t that just plain… convenient. Truthfully.
@@
August 8th, 2010
10:12 am
Observer=2 eyes=@@.
Learn to live with ‘em.
Inspiring Minds
August 8th, 2010
10:12 am
So share with us, @@. What was this handle that was so offensive to all that was left of you.
Southern Comfort
August 8th, 2010
10:20 am
Dusty/RW
It’s a known fact that the party out of office complains about the party in office. Only when Bush was nearing the end of his 2nd term did people on the right start to try to disassociate themselves from him and his policies. Maybe the same will occur with Obama, who knows??
I’m just wondering if someone from the party in office will have the courage to call out their leaders from the jump or will we continue to goose-step with the party. People on the right have not had a problem at calling out Obama’s short-comings or perceived short-comings just as those on the left did with Bush. It’s already been shown that the left has not called Obama on his issues, so I was just wondering if the right will do that when they control the White House. At some point, someone has to be the grown up.
Whiner
I could care less about what the First Lady looks like. Her job is not to be a beauty queen.
Don't Forget
August 8th, 2010
10:26 am
On Fox News Sunday, the republican governor of Indiana when asked why when he was the budget director for George W. Bush we went from a 200+ billion surplus to a 400 + billion deficit in 2 years responded “well recessions will do that”. Ya think???
larry
August 8th, 2010
10:35 am
http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=231335
Official: Arizona type immigration law could hurt poultry business.
Normal
August 8th, 2010
10:37 am
Dusty
August 7th, 2010
10:29 pm
Soco, 9:56
No offense, dear heart, but were you asleep during the Bush years? I do not believe that there is any past president who has been subject to such lies, misrepresentations, family insults and a disingenuous and slanted press.
Now I KNOW Dusty can make jokes….either that or her house is full of a hallucinogenic mold or something…
Jeepers the Creepers
August 8th, 2010
10:42 am
… In Murfreesboro, Tenn., Republican candidates have denounced plans for a large Muslim center proposed near a subdivision, and hundreds of protesters have turned out for a march and a county meeting.
In late June, in Temecula, Calif., members of a local Tea Party group took dogs and picket signs to Friday prayers at a mosque that is seeking to build a new worship center on a vacant lot nearby.
In Sheboygan, Wis., a few Christian ministers led a noisy fight against a Muslim group that sought permission to open a mosque in a former health food store bought by a Muslim doctor…
The religious tolerance is simply overwhelming, isn’t it.
Southern Comfort
August 8th, 2010
11:01 am
larry
The poultry business will do the same thing the vidalia onion growers did when INS was doing raids years ago. They’ll tell the congressmen to make the problem go away, and after a few campaign donations, the problem will disappear.
Grand Old Plan
August 8th, 2010
11:08 am
Official: Arizona type immigration law could hurt poultry business.
At least it won’t hurt those in Georgia’s carpet business or home construction business. They’re already wiped out.
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
11:19 am
Jeepers…you can add this homegrown one as well:
http://www.ajc.com/news/north-fulton/alpharetta-votes-down-islamic-534477.html
The Alpharetta City Council voted 6-0 to reject an expansion proposal by the Islamic Center of North Fulton on Monday night, but the battle over the worship center might not be over…
Attorney Doug Dillard, representing the Islamic Center, said after the meeting he’ll recommend that it file lawsuits in state and federal court. He said the city previously had approved a number of other churches of similar size.
“There needs to be a consistency,” Dillard said. “There can’t be a different standard for their religion.”
….A crowd of 150 squeezed into council chambers to hear several hours of arguments about the congregation’s plans to tear down the 2,500-square-foot house where it now worships and construct two buildings: a 1,900-square-foot multi-purpose building facility and a 12,000-square-foot, two-story main building.”
Alpharetta…. home of the 20,000+ sq ft mega church (some WAY bigger then that). You gotta LOVE how people are saying it’s too big. Also… 150 people came to the city council meeting to “protest” it… know how many normally attend those meetings? Probably about 10 (if that many).
Also from the article:
“The mood turned testy when Parwaiz Iqbal told the council that a vote against the worship center would be similar to flying a banner in downtown Alpharetta that said Muslims aren’t welcome, adding that such a vote would “be like choking and suffocating our congregation.”
Planners said the project fell within acceptable boundaries for size and traffic flow. Yet the planning commission recommended rejecting the proposal on May 6, citing conditions placed by Fulton County in 1998 and 2004.”
So the city planners say the project falls within “ACCEPTABLE BOUNDARIES” for size and traffic flow. Boy do THEY have a case. I hope they sue and win enough money from Alpharetta (and whatever other parties they name…including each board member) to pay for their construction/expansion. The case stinks of outright bigotry.
Yeah I may be an atheist… but you either let EVERYONE build or none at all. Freedom of religion means that no one religion has any more “rights” compared to any other in this nation. Right wing Talibangelicals just can’t grasp that concept and get it through their brainwashed cloud filled heads.
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
11:20 am
Being a vegan…I have no problem with chicken “factories” closing down.
(Yet SoCo is right… that’s how it will most likely play out)…
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
11:45 am
http://www.ajc.com/business/go-fish-and-spend-586796.html
Hey… with the $30 million that Sonny spent ($19 million in State funds) for a fishing dock in his home town… maybe we can see the following if we end up with another Republican Govna:
Deal can build a $30 million Auto Salvage museum in Gainesville.
or
If Handel wins… she can build a $30 million HS drop out museum in her hometown of Roswell. It can be an ode to herself and GA’s fine graduation rate.
Real Scooter
August 8th, 2010
11:48 am
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
11:45 am
LMAO ! Good one.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 8th, 2010
11:53 am
I could care less about what the First Lady looks like. Her job is not to be a beauty queen.
Bomb Sniffer- Yeah but a fat slob that whines about junk food?
What are you, a partisan stooge?
~~~~~
Maybe when the ragheads quit abusing women, we’ll let them build their houses of hate where ever they’d like.
Until then, I hear Mecca has room…
Dusty
August 8th, 2010
11:54 am
Well, a lovely morning at the outdoor church service today. The breezes blew gently over the worshipers as we sang and listened to good words and thoughts. The outdoor service is mainly organzied by the young people of the church. There is a drummer/ violinist and a piano player and we do a good bit of joyful clapping.
The only bad news, someone stole all the gasoline out of the church bus AGAIN. (Yes, Normal, it has the name of our churoh on bus sides in ten inch letters. I believe most institutions put their name on their vehicles.) Anyway, a new lock up gas tank lid had been put on. So the thieves cut some tube or pipe underneath and drained out the gasoline. That bus carried the yoing people to W. Va. where they worked on a Habitat house for a week. It also picks up those who have no transportation. It takes “Seniors” on day trips. Anyway, some people come to church in the dark of the night and not to worship.
Just thought some of you who never go to church might see it is a grand place of worship, with more than just one way of celebration. RedNeck’s “church” is always good for a laugh. I bet the people at the Cathedral where he really goes get a laugh too. I have to smile when Saul “reasons” with RedNeck. OH well, maybe Saul is also a comedian.
Grand Old Plan
August 8th, 2010
12:05 pm
So, Dusty’s church gives to some people in the middle of the night. My of my. That’s the spirit of giving. So charitable. Those poor people probably needed to gas to get their disabled family to church or to work or to the health clinic. You could just sit gallon cans of gas outside for them. Why make them work so hard for it.
Southern Comfort
August 8th, 2010
12:06 pm
What are you, a partisan stooge?
Nope, that would be your job. As I said, I don’t care what she looks like. It’s obvious that you do, as you’ve called her numerous names to show how much you detest her looks. Her looks are not important to me. I”m not married to her, so I could care less. As far has her views on food, she’s entitled to her opinions. It’s called free speech. If other’s choose to follow her, then that’s on them.
Hypocritical Times
August 8th, 2010
12:12 pm
Andy is just putting his christian soul on display for us this morning. Nothing new.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 8th, 2010
12:17 pm
As far has her views on food, she’s entitled to her opinions. It’s called free speech.
You can’t see the obvious issues of someone lecturing the world on the food they eat just before getting on a jumbo jet, hauling your fat ass to the most luxurious areas of Spain and then gorging yourself like an NFL football team?
She’s a POS, fat and fugly too.
You’re a partisan stooge.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 8th, 2010
12:19 pm
And the most damning part of it all, I don’t think these savages even realize what hypocrites they are.
They’re too stupid to put two and two together.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 8th, 2010
12:21 pm
Lucky for me, Christians are not required to admire perverts.
Southern Comfort
August 8th, 2010
12:26 pm
You can’t see the obvious issues of someone lecturing the world on the food they eat just before getting on a jumbo jet, hauling your fat ass to the most luxurious areas of Spain and then gorging yourself like an NFL football team?
Maybe it’s not as important an issue for me as it is for you. I personally just don’t give a sh*t, plain and simple. It’s obvious that you do because you keep harping on it. As you harp on anything that the Obama’s do. So who really is the partisan stooge?
Dusty
August 8th, 2010
12:36 pm
Grand Ol Plan,
Our church does help people buy gasoline in time of need. If it is a believable need, they are led to the gas station and the money goes directly to the station. Perhaps you do not know how many con artists think that churches are their piggy banks. Some make a business of it and make the rounds of every open church. It is a sad day that church members have to sort out the crooks so there will be something there for those in real need. When referred to governmental relief agencies, most do not go. Many designated churches run food banks. They try to have supplies for those who have hit hard times. As of late, the people making requests at food banks has greatly increased.
Don't Forget
August 8th, 2010
12:36 pm
Dusty,
Sorry to hear about your church’s bus. Is it in a well lit area. It would be a shame to have to put a surveillance camera up but the cost/benefit might make it worth it. On the other hand, you could try bluffing by putting up a sign saying that the area was under video surfeillance. Just a thought. Of course that assumes that the thieves can read.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
12:38 pm
Any of you libs. former “Boy Scouts” ?
I guess you won’t see this on mainstream television ……………
“Boy Scouts Boo Obama”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAWsy7VV8oE&feature=player_embedded
Dusty
August 8th, 2010
12:58 pm
Don’t Forget,
Yes, the church bus is in a very open and lighted place. Our building is just behind a busy corner on a main highway and a street near an all night gas station. There is a clear view all around the church. Our council members are deciding what they might try next. Thank you for your suggestions. Your ideas sound good.
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
1:01 pm
Scout…ever notice the uncanny resemblance to the Hitler youth rallies at those “jamborees”???
Well it’s nice to notice just how much the boy scouts and the catholic church have in common when “protecting” the pedos in their leadership INSTEAD of the kiddies.
http://www.kellyclarkattorney.com/news/secret-boy-scout-files-document-flawed-history-of-child-protection-in-oregon/
“May 22nd, 2010
For two more years, Tobiassen, an insurance agent with sons of his own, abused the boy.
The abuse was exposed only when the teenager told a counselor and then police what had happened. Even then, internal memos show, the Scouts executive overseeing Tobiassen didn’t want to ban him from Scouting until there were formal charges.
The episode from 1984 wasn’t the only instance when Oregon Scout leaders failed to act on trouble in their ranks.
Secret files obtained by The Oregonian from 1971 to 1991 contain no record that Scout leaders alerted authorities to adults suspected of child abuse in at least 11 instances in Oregon.
In all, 46 people were booted from Scouting in Oregon in those years, most based on police or media reports of suspected or proven cases of child molestation.
Scout leaders insist they take appropriate measures to protect children.
A Portland jury recently concluded otherwise. ”
MORE you say about the “boys only club”??? Okay!
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20000866-504083.html
PORTLAND, Oregon (CBS/AP) The Boy Scouts of America call them “perversion files,” internal documents used to track Scout leaders suspected of sexually abusing young boys – and now a jury will get a chance to look at them.
The judge who had ordered the Scouts to release the “perversion files” received 1,247 files into evidence near the end of the day Friday in a case that accuses the Boy Scouts of covering up abuse.
Nothing to BRAG about when talking about the Boy Scouts of America Scout. If they were on the “up and up”… they never would have spent all those years sitting on their files…and then fighting tooth and nail to not have to release them.
By LES ZAITZ and NICOLE DUNGCA
When a parent heard that William E. Tobiassen, a longtime Scout leader in Corvallis, was sexually abusing one of his troop members, she alerted Scout officials.
Nothing changed.
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
1:05 pm
Dusty… have them try this:
http://www.amazon.com/Stant-10504-Locking-Fuel-Cap/dp/B000B8JUAW
While not impossible to break into it… it will hopefully make them look for another source of fuel that has “easy access”…. They can buy one at a local Auto Zone for a few bucks.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
1:07 pm
Scout,
Your Boy Scout Jamboree post reminds me of your West Point post some time ago. Remember how misleading, and incorrect, you were about the would-be handshake “controversy” then? Saul has pointed out how squeaky clean the scouts are these days. I would no more be a boyscout today than I would an altar boy.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
1:08 pm
Saul Good :
“Scout…ever notice the uncanny resemblance to the Hitler youth rallies at those “jamborees”???”
I wouldn’t know because I wasn’t a “Boy Scout”.
However, I was a “scout” in the U.S. Marine Corps but based on the way you view the world that probably makes me a Nazi.
Del
August 8th, 2010
1:09 pm
Great message in church today. It’s good to hear and see Christian preachers speaking out against the far left that’s doing everything it can to bring America down. It appears that Evangelicals won’t be sitting out in this upcoming election.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
1:09 pm
Headline: “While president preaches sacrifice, his family frolics in Spain”
popeye
August 8th, 2010
1:10 pm
Dusty…I would suggest using many of scouts many talents…A little recon goes a long way. And perhaps you could volunteer to stand post for a night or two.
Dave R.
August 8th, 2010
1:11 pm
You know, Saul, your comment about Boy Scout jamborees and Hitler Youth rallies wasn’t even remotely funny, nor accurate.
What disgusts me even more is your willingness to paint an organization that does so much good with such a broad brush. Jay would be proud of you. I do not condone nor excuse what the Oregon chapter did, but to equate one chapter to all, and Boy Scouts to Hitler Youth, is perverted; even for you.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
1:12 pm
Del:
You have got to check this out …………….
For any of you who remember this nationally syndicated program from the early 50’s, this is a great trip back.
Andy Devine (who played “Jinggles” on “Wild Bill Hickock” and who was in over 400 movies) is the host. Just listen to what he sings as the song of the day. You won’t beieve it and you sure wouldn’t hear that today.
The skit with “Froggie” is also halarious (or it least it was when I was six ……….
)
And at the end, he also closed the Saturday morning show with “kids, don’t forget church or Sunday School”.
How far this country has declined ………………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYki4s73Kwg&feature=related
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
1:13 pm
Scout…messed up my post… but what I forgot to add was the following:
Why did the Boy Scouts not NOTIFY the authorities? Even when they booted those leaders… they are acting EXACTLY like the Catholic Church by saying they were “protecting” the children by not going to the police. How the ^$*#)$* is that PROTECTING the kids? To kick the pedos out of the “boys only club” and let them still roam around freely in society? That’s SICK! It’s faulty logic at it’s worst.
This is NOT an attack on you Scout…(errrr…SCOUT?)…. but an open discussion to see if you’ll simply AGREE with me that the Boy Scouts acted with GREAT NEGLIGENCE” in how they handled sex abuse within their exclusive “club”….
What they did was protect their “reputation” first…and the kids second by not going to the police. I hope you can agree with that statement.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
1:16 pm
Del @ 1:l9
The Alliance Defense League (ADL) is the couterpart to the ACLU. They have been trying to get the IRS to “bite” on trying to remove a church’s tax exempt status for just what you described so they can take it to the Supreme Court. So far IRS is laying back …………… I think they/the administration are very fearful of losing.
Rightwing Troll
August 8th, 2010
1:18 pm
“Lucky for me, Christians are not required to admire perverts.”
That’s why they allow you to be one, they don’t have to admire you.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
1:20 pm
Saul Good :
To be fair I am not familiar with all of the facts of the situation you describe.
Has the Scout leadership been “prosected” criminally? Have they been sued successfully?
If not …………… there probably wasn’t much of a case there. I just don’t know.
But comparing the young scouts themselves to “Hilter Youth” has no relation to what you have described regarding some of the adult leadership.
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
1:21 pm
Dave R… oy VEY!
Ya see… “sarcasm” does not always translate well on these blogs… I try my best with quotes and CAPS at times to get that across. Perhaps if I added some to my statement above it would have came across as SARCASM.
Perhaps just adding a
to it would have helped.
I was a Boy Scout…well actually a CUB SCOUT… didn’t float my boat so I bailed after a year. I only got to wear the BLUE uniform with the yellow bandanna (or whatever you call that thing)… and NO…I was not “molested” by any leaders.
I DO though have problems with the HOMOPHOBIA that exists within the leadership of the Boy Scouts.
Sorry for my “rude” remark… it was simply made to be sarcastic… but I’m sorry if it offended you. Remember this…it’s ME who lost many relatives I never knew because of the Nazi’s… yet like Mel Brooks has done…I make fun of them just like he did (and many other who are/were born jews)….
Kamchak
August 8th, 2010
1:21 pm
Just remember, frolics spelled backwards is scilorf.
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
1:23 pm
Scout…you should have read the 1st link…the answer lies within:
“The jury subsequently awarded Kerry Lewis $18.5 million to punish the Scouts for abuse he suffered at the hands of a Scout leader.
But the award also was meant to jolt the Scouts.
“We were trying to send a message,” said Margaret Ormsbee, one of the jurors. “It seemed to most of us they were putting their PR and reputation above children’s safety.”
The Portland case focused a white hot light on Boy Scout practices. Critics say the Scouting organization, headquartered in Texas, has never adequately responded to sex abuse within its ranks as the Catholic church finally has now done.
Nearly 25 years ago, the Scouts designed a program they said would protect youth from sex abuse, but it has been largely voluntary for the 1.2 million men and women guiding Scouts across the country. The Scouts have no record of who has taken the training. They haven’t assessed how widely used it is or whether it works.
Scouts leaders in Texas headquarters won’t discuss their program or Scout child abuse. Historically, they have talked only grudgingly when they had to – in court or through lawyers.
The Scouts appeared ready to break their silence, scheduling an interview with The Oregonian and seeking written questions they promised to answer. One day before the interview, the Scouts canceled out on both…”
Del
August 8th, 2010
1:23 pm
Scout,
That’s exactly the reason. The far left knows full well that removal of tax exemption would set off a fire storm. Besides it’s one thing to endorse candidates from the pulpit, (which would cross the line) versus attacking ideology which is and has been damaging to the Republic.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
1:27 pm
theyeshaveit :
I hear you, but unlike many liberals on here I retracted that statement based on an incorrect source.
However, his calling the “Boy Scouts” Hilter Youth and my post that some of the West Point graduates didn’t shake the President’s hand, aren’t in the same leaque !
popeye
August 8th, 2010
1:28 pm
I can always count on the Oregonian….Read it every day!
Scout
August 8th, 2010
1:29 pm
Del:
Black and/or liberal churches have been supporting candidates from their pulpits for a long time. I have been to many of those rallies as part of my government duties. It’s one of the worst cases of “double standards” out there.
Del
August 8th, 2010
1:32 pm
Scout,
Yes, and it’s been overlooked.
Scout
August 8th, 2010
1:32 pm
Saul Good :
Fine with me. Take them to the cleaners !
However, that doesn’t make the boys themselves Hilter Youth. You owe a serious backtrack on that.
In addition, if there is already this problem why do liberals all over the country keep trying to push gay Scout leaders into the organization. Wouldn’t that be throwing gas on a fire ?
Got to run for awhile ………….. back later.
popeye
August 8th, 2010
1:34 pm
West Point Graduates “West Point graduates didn’t shake the President’s hand.”
How many West Point Officers have you ever met Scout, me dozens, and from my personal experience they’re all tight assed, and the only thing on there minds is rapid promotion in rank to the detriment of those under their command!
Dave R.
August 8th, 2010
1:36 pm
Saul, all I can say is that there is only one Mel Brooks, and he makes fun of the offending organization. He doesn’t try to bring down a good one by equating it to a bad one.
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
1:37 pm
Dave R…one more thing…I find it highly disrespectful of the scout leadership that day to not tell their “troops” (for lack of a better word) to “hush up”… like him our not. He’s our Nation’s President. For them to allow those in their “command” to act in such a manner is also disrespecting the leader of our nation. Obama was giving a speech broadcast to them which in fact was “respectful” of their organization…sad that those leaders of those kids didn’t give the same respect back. Perhaps it shows what ” crap” the entire organization has become. Partisan politics is nothing to be “allowed” in a non-profit group/club like the Boy Scouts of America. Not for the kids…and most of all not for those running the show.
Should I conclude that maybe…just maybe… those leaders have “disrespected” our President in front of their “troops” of kiddies? It should not have even lasted 5 seconds. It only proves that the “leadership” of the Boy Scouts of America has turned into a Partisan entity… from the top on down… the video Scout posted shows that to be clear and true.
Southern Comfort
August 8th, 2010
1:39 pm
Black and/or liberal churches have been supporting candidates from their pulpits for a long time.
Black churches also supported civil rights, equal rights, education, and other things too. Many support pro-life groups too. You don’t hear much about that either. All churches do that. If churches wish to get political and support candidates, they should not have tax-exempt status. It doesn’t matter if it’s a Baptist, Episcopal, Methodist, Catholic, Black, White, Korean, or any other type of church there is.
Our country recognizes religious freedoms that many other countries do not. If a church wishes to get political, then they should be treated the same as any other political organization and should not be allowed to hide behind their religious designation.
Scout
There is no “double standard” with the churches. They all do it and get away with it.
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
1:40 pm
Dave R. “He doesn’t try to bring down a good one by equating it to a bad one.”
O’Really?
Should all African Americans be offended by this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I
I hope I made my point (yet I believe you’ll STILL want the “last word” on this)
Kamchak
August 8th, 2010
1:43 pm
There is no “double standard” with the churches. They all do it and get away with it.
Yeah, but then he can’t play the victim card.
Dave R.
August 8th, 2010
1:46 pm
Uh, Saul, Brooks is making fun of white bigots in that movie. Sorry you missed that.
I’m not thrilled that the Scouts booed Hope & Change, either. However, since his actions represent pretty much everything they don’t, I don’t think they were without reason to do so. In addition, to blow them off for fund-raising events, especially during their 10th anniversary, pretty much showed what he thinks of them as well.
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
1:47 pm
Scout: “However, that doesn’t make the boys themselves Hilter Youth. You owe a serious backtrack on that.”
Read my post above.
You’ll find nobody here on this blog that can have a clearer “hate” for the Nazi’s and what they did to my own ancestors… yet I reserve the right to be sarcastic
I’ve heard nothing yet from the “jezzzbus” crowd condemning the BS’s for acting exactly like the Catholic Church did…by not going to the POLICE to have their pedos locked up… it was always more in their best interest to protect their “good name”… that to me makes that %#*@)@. They’re still fighting off that reputation…just like the Catholic church…and never saying: We’re SORRY. WE should have reported them to the proper authorities…
Sad that all they thought of was “future” recruitment” and how it would effect their organization by allowing the “truth” out.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
1:51 pm
Another Scout “headline” said Headline: “While president preaches sacrifice, his family frolics in Spain”
Oh, come one, Scout. You would have us believe that taking a vacation was a sin against humanity. If so, the French live in one very sinful nation. And where were your comments while Tony “I want my life back” Hayward cavorted with family in a yacht race while the BP oil rig was ruining lives, and oh yes, vacations in the Gulf?
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
1:54 pm
popeye,
I thought I saw someone here mentioning that you were planning on moving back to Oregon. Is that true?
popeye
August 8th, 2010
2:01 pm
Not planning EYES…doing! Already have reservations for my dogs and cat to be flown there, where my sister will meet and care for them until I get there. I’m totally psyched!
Thanks for asking.
Guess I’ll have to join the Ducks booster club so I can get me some good
tickets at Autzen.
I’ll keep in touch.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 8th, 2010
2:02 pm
For two more years, Tobiassen, an insurance agent with sons of his own, abused the boy.
I know, you can’t trust those queers anywhere, can ya?
Dave R.
August 8th, 2010
2:04 pm
Eyes, Tony Hayward represented a private company, Hope & Change? Not so much.
In addition, Tony Hayward doesn’t have to deal with a $13 trillion deficit, 1/5th of which has been rung up in just the last 18 months.
I can complain all day long about Tony Hayward, but the comparisons are apples to oranges.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
2:05 pm
SoCo,
I would agree with you on the tax exempt status that churches have. If they are going to get political, they need to pay their dues. It is repugnant to me to see ministers becoming “fat cats” as a result of their living off their churches. I remember that several years, one evangelical minister with a huge following made a statement something like this: “God wanted me to be rich.” My stomach turned with his comment, and, if I had been in church at that moment, I might have had the urge to turn the baptismal font into a spitoon.
Dave R.
August 8th, 2010
2:07 pm
Whiner, in cased you missed it (and of course you did) pedophiles are not the same as homosexuals.
Not that you’d bother to learn the difference.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
2:10 pm
popeye,
You had better keep in touch, man! You know I want to thump my chest after my Bruins make duck soup out of Oregon.
popeye
August 8th, 2010
2:12 pm
Eyes … Good luck with that…You know Oregon and Oregon State were the only Pac 10 teams picked in the pre-season top 25?
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
2:13 pm
Dave R.,
You are no dummy. You understood that my point to Scout is that he is, as another stated, monotonous on this topic of vacations, holidays and golf. Scout is buying into the conservative notion that Obama has all this time off when it is no more than any other president has had.
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
2:13 pm
theeyes….Scout and IR also fail to bring up the many trips Laura Bush took with her daughters…
Yet one trip she took alone sticks out at the moment:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11291671
A major part of her trip was to promote “abstinence”…
Like Sarah Palin herself (who was pregnant BEFORE she got married)…and Palin’s daughter who got pregnant as a minor… it’s clear that abstinence only education was a flop. Kids are kids…they have raging hormones…and they have sex.
But let’s get back to Obama and HIS trips VS. Bush’s trips (including family):
“Michelle Obama’s luxurious, taxpayer-funded Spanish vacation”
Please — the Obamas are a bargain compared to Bush: Michelle Obama’s critics are just out to score cheap political points, says Christine Schwen at Media Matters. Fox News bloviator Andrea Tantaros, who got the “Marie Antoinette” ball rolling in the New York Daily News, actually suggests the Obamas act more like George W. Bush. What? Bush took 77 trips to his “sprawling, 1,583-acre” Texas ranch — and his trips there on Air Force One cost taxpayers a quarter million dollars a pop. “Not the best model for the Obamas to follow.”
“Tantaros thinks Obama should model Bush’s vacation schedule?”
The criticism is exaggerated, but not entirely out of line: Look, all first ladies take vacations, says Lynn Sweet in the Chicago Sun-Times, “with and without the president.” And Michelle Obama is paying all her personal expenses, as are her friends, who traveled on their own.
And:
http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/july_2003/first_lady.htm
First lady Laura Bush arrives to vacation in Olympic National Park
2003-07-27
A small motorcade picks up vacationing first lady Laura Bush, third from left behind plane, at William R. Fairchild International Airport in Port Angeles on Friday afternoon. The first lady spent the night at a Port Angeles waterfront hotel, dined at an Italian restaurant and hiked to Obstruction Point on Saturday. (Photo by Dan Gase/Coldwell Banker Uptown Realty) – 07-27-2003
by EMELINE COKELET AND JAN RODAK
PENINSULA DAILY NEWS
PORT ANGELES, WA– It’s a popular destination, especially in the summer months, but Lake Crescent Lodge will play host this week to a very special guest — Laura Bush.
AND…
“Laura Bush also took an annual vacation with a handful (that’s 5 for those who have difficulty counting) of her lifelong friends.”
The first lady arrived Friday afternoon at William R. Fairchild International Airport for what sources say is a weeklong personal vacation to Olympic National Park”
Somehow the “right” forgets the amount of vacations that EVERY PRESIDENTS wife and family take… it only matters now that it’s Michelle Obama… yet unlike most of the past wives…Michelle Obama paid for her room and board. Can’t find anything that says Bush’s or Reagan’s wife ever went into their own pocket for any of their trips in or out of our nation.
If someone here can…go ahead and post it.
Southern Comfort
August 8th, 2010
2:13 pm
Kam
I thought there was always a victim somewhere.
eyes
I have nothing against the church as a whole. I think our political system needs to have all the blinds and smokescreens removed. If someone wants to be political and support a candidate, then do so. Just don’t try to hide behind something else. If you truly believe in what you say, you’ll stand up for it anyway. I know the church plays an important role in the life of many, but I don’t think they should get any preferential treatment when it comes to politics.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
2:16 pm
popeye,
Hope springs eternal. And I think that the UCLA football team has been under-rated. We”ll see early on though. The Bruins play Kansas State first and then they are at Texas in the fourth game. Of course, the schedule includes, Oregon, Oregon State and USC.
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
2:17 pm
Dave R.
August 8th, 2010
2:07 pm
Thanks…
At least that’s ONE point we always agree upon…”human” and “civil” rights…. though we probably disagree with more points compared to the one’s we can agree on… that’s a BIGGY in my book. Perhaps the MOST important of ALL rights. That we humans are ALL created equal. Sad that not all humans have just that yet…”equal”….
Dusty
August 8th, 2010
2:21 pm
SoCo,
Sorry but I will have to disagree with you when you say something like :: all churches preach politics. I have not heard a political sermon at our church. Not straight forward or mixed in with something else. Our present minister has a son in the military in Iraq as does another family. We all know but there are no pro or cons on the war, the president or politicial parties.
Ministers in our denomination have to finish seminary and be ordained before they find a church. Perhaps they are taught to stick with the faith. But I hear no politics at our church.
Dave R.
August 8th, 2010
2:24 pm
Saul and Eyes, while I don’t dispute the number of times Bush traveled to his Texas ranch, he DID do that in 8 years. Hope & Change? 19 months so far, and he has already exceeded the number of rounds of golf by Bush (in those 8 years) by a wide margin.
I also do not recall any instance where Laura Bush traveled outside the country by herself and used a “so-called” state visit to offset the cost of her trip. Not so in this case.
Again, I don’t begrudge anyone in that position time off. However, I do think the double standard of the left not criticizing this administration for their time off excesses is disingenuous. Especially in a down economy and a huge deficit.
popeye
August 8th, 2010
2:25 pm
eyes .. someone I can disagree with, with a smile on my face.
We’ve got Tennessee the second game of the season…but, after the bruins are decimated by KState, and Texas you’ll be easy pickins!
But, I’ve told you this before I root for all Pac 10 teams. As long as they are not playing the teams from Oregon! So Hey go
Bruins
Southern Comfort
August 8th, 2010
2:26 pm
Dusty
Your’s may be the exception, but even if it’s not a direct political message, most churches intertwine some political topic in their messages. I’m not saying all churches discuss politics, but the political connection comes about from just discussing daily happenings. It’s hard to not touch something political nowadays. Whether it’s right-to-life or homosexuality, there’s gonna be something discussed that involves a current political topic.
Del
August 8th, 2010
2:28 pm
I’ve been regularly attending Evangelical Christian services for the last 20 years and I have never heard a church pastor come out and endorse a candidate from the pulpit. Up until recently I haven’t heard a preacher during the course of a sermon come out against the left in this country. It’s occurring now in many Evangelical church’s, as additional voices of protest largely because of what many see as the lefts open attempt to remove God from the internal fabric of our culture.
Southern Comfort
August 8th, 2010
2:28 pm
popeye & eyes
It doesn’t matter too much about the Pac 10. The road to the BCS is thru Tuscaloosa. Roll Tide Baby!!!!
Dave R.
August 8th, 2010
2:29 pm
I’ll be back a bit later. Got to mow the south 40 (thousand sq.ft) before it gets out of hand.
Y’all be nice now.
Dusty
August 8th, 2010
2:39 pm
Saul,
You are back at Bush bashing again. This time it is Mrs. Bush.
Yes, there is comment on Mrs. Obama being in Spain for a vacation. Don’t believe Mrs. Bush ever went overseas alone for a pure vacation. But who cares? And lay off Mrs. Bush.
I think Michelle Obama is bored to tears. Having to put up with stuffy diplomats and beaurocarts all day, Followed by security at every turn. Talk nice to fat kids knowing they aren’t going to change one bit. Michelle can’t say “Listen, kid, you are fat. Your mom is fat. She’ s got diabetes. You are going to be next.’
Nawww, Michelle’s got to talk about green veggies and fresh fruit. My goodness, the woman is a LAWYER, a graduate of Harvard Law School and her ssignment is McDonald’s and Fat Kids!!!! If that isn’t the stuff of boredom, I don’t know what is.
I hope she takes her shoes off and props her feet up all over Spain. Well, it will be fun reading about in the news. I’m getting a bit bored myself.
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
2:47 pm
Dave R…. I also pointed out where Michelle Obama is “paying” for all her hotel rooms and food, etc. Security detail? No…she had that just like our former Presidents and their families do when even traveling now. Yet Laura Bush DID travel “alone” to Africa in 2007…and that’s the very year our recession started…
Know what? The amount of money spent is STILL less compared to what Sonny spent on his “fishing dock” in his hometown… (oh and that trip he took with around 30 people to Cuba…tell me just how people here in Gawga would react if Barnes did the same thing…or better yet…if Obama took a trip with 30 people to Cuba)…
It’s all BS… nothing we can do about it…
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
2:52 pm
Awww…Dusty…Laura never took a trip ALONE??? I posted where she DID in fact do such things…and know what? Unlike Mrs. Obama…she let WE THE TAXPAYER pay every penny…while Michelle Obama paid for all of her hotel stays and meals…
And you’re going to ridicule her for wanting to help kids…the MAJORITY of whom eat JUNK? The REASON just WHY we are the FATTEST nation in the world? Please Dusty… what harm comes from wanting kids to get off of fast food and eat their veggies? Republicans and Democrats alike need to ween their kids off of “franken foods”… because the majority of health care in our future will be simply dealing with the RESULTS of kids who grew up eating nothing but crap.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
2:53 pm
SoCo,
Utah and Colorado are joining the PAC 10 in 2011. In case you may have forgotten, here is the video of the thumping that Utah gave Alabama in the 2009 Sugar Bowl game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc0Ld_Nr_H8
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
2:53 pm
Dave R.
“I’ll be back a bit later. Got to mow the south 40 (thousand sq.ft) before it gets out of hand.
Y’all be nice now.”
Gardens…not lawns!
Imagine just having all you have to cut…as being FOOD for your family…. not so hard.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
2:55 pm
Dusty,
If you’re bored, why don’t you just run on down to your local Burger King and eat unhealthy food to spite Michelle?
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
2:56 pm
Saul,
I have been thinking of a little “Victory Garden” here myself.
theyeshaveit
August 8th, 2010
2:57 pm
Speaking of food…..Catch you later!
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
2:57 pm
popeye…I’ll be in Eugene in October … doing a “master class” at the U of O…Not sure when you’re leaving GA… but…. I’ll keep ya posted!
Dusty
August 8th, 2010
3:03 pm
Saul, honey,
You have the sense of humor of a box turtle. Do you ever read anything before you start snapping?
You are so intent on “getting ” somebody that you don’t read well in your haste. Please join the local police and help them solve crimes. You should not waste your time with us. Criminals are few & far between here. Your investigative abilities are being frittered away. Report, sir, to your local police ASAP!!!
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
3:04 pm
theeyes… I made sure when I built this house that I kept nearly every tree possible…and that the only “clearing” would be for a garden… Lawns are a waste of “everything”…from water, to applying chemicals (great for the kiddies and grandkiddies to play upon), etc…
I remember when I first moved to GA and lived in what is now called Milton (rural section of Alpharetta)… holy %^#$)# did I have a”lawn” to keep up…waste of EVERYTHING…from water..and the money I paid to those who put out crap to keep back the weeds and KILL bugs (both the beneficial bugs we NEED to help plant-life and the ones that EAT the LAWNS..UGH)… it was all a waste. To me… it looks 100X better simply being in the woods and having NO lawn… it still takes upkeep… but it’s not that big pesticide waste I have… plucking weeds by hand and spreading mulch…having an organic garden… it beats have a LAWN any day of the week (or month…or year)… plus I save SO much. Plus, Plus Plus is all it’s been…
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
3:09 pm
Dusty: “You are so intent on “getting ” somebody that you don’t read well in your haste. Please join the local police and help them solve crimes. You should not waste your time with us. Criminals are few & far between here. Your investigative abilities are being frittered away. Report, sir, to your local police ASAP!!!”
Oh…you mean like the GREAT GEORGE W.BUSH…and how he PROTECTED US…from those WMD’s that he KNEW they had…and how he UNIFIED our nation by being the “original” Connecticut Cowboy” by invading Iraq…and PROTECTING us from those pesky rubber band propelled drones that Saddam was going to send over here with those Chemical Weapons we supplied him with.
You mean like that?
Sure glad we had him to “protect us”…because had somebody else been in place…this nation would now be “Iraq Version 2.0″….
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
3:11 pm
Oh…btw Dusty…I’m replying up above to your post from way up above on this thread…where you spoke of the great DICK and his side kick Dubya..and how much Dubya did to “protect” this nation (before he sank it like a game of Battle Ship while playing with that funny monopoly money he was handed)….
Dusty
August 8th, 2010
3:11 pm
Theyeshaveit,
I visited Burger King last night. Great burgers. Don’t know how ‘me & mine’ stay so healthy but we do. I guess conservatives know how to manage on their own without having someone tell us what to eat.. DID U KNOW: Fat kids eat too much!!!??? This fact has just been discovered by liberals. I am so glad the light has dawned upon them..
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
3:12 pm
eyes, you still here?
Hypocritical Times
August 8th, 2010
3:14 pm
How does Scout spot a liberal church? It’s the one on the left side of the road.
barking frog
August 8th, 2010
3:18 pm
HT. How does Scout spot a conservative church? It’s the one
on the right road.
popeye
August 8th, 2010
3:19 pm
Southern Comfort…Understand Eyes is an UCLA grad, and I’m an Oregon alumni.. we are just having fun.
A fun Little story of the VAUNTED SEC..A friend while he was in the Air Force stationed at Barksdale … attended the powerhouse LSU when he got out an attempted to transfer his English units to the U of O…they turned the credits away saying they did measure up to their standars!
Southern Comfort
August 8th, 2010
3:20 pm
eyes
That feat is unlikely to be repeated anytime soon. Ask Florida and Texas about it.
Southern Comfort
August 8th, 2010
3:22 pm
popeye
I know you two were kidding each other. Somebody’s gotta represent the SEC.
Dusty
August 8th, 2010
3:24 pm
OH dear…. our revisionist detective Saul still whacking at Republicans..and changing what is previously said. I sad that Cheney SERVED this country and he has.for many years back. .
Let’s see: White House Chief of Staff 1978, FIVE times elected to the House of Represetatives by Wyoming residents, Secretary of Defense, and the 46th Vice President of the USA. THAT IS SERVING THIS COUNTRY.
Cheney has never served in the military just as many presidents have not, including the present one. They still served the USA.
Run along, Saul. You can’t change what is true.
popeye
August 8th, 2010
3:24 pm
Saul Good
August 8th, 2010
2:57 pm
popeye…I’ll be in Eugene in October … doing a “master class” at the U of O…Not sure when you’re leaving GA… but…. I’ll keep ya posted!
Cool, and the right time of year…I used to know a lot of great places in Eugene, but that was back in the 70’s…Ask around the locals can give you a heads up on the hot spot. I hope to be back in Portland by mid September.