Rangel, Waters ethics cases represent laudable progress

Democrats Charlie Rangel and Maxine Waters are fighting for their reputations and perhaps their political careers, trying to stave off investigations against them by the House Ethics Committee. Both seem to be daring House leaders to proceed with public trials, and so far Democratic leaders have been willing to take that dare, refusing to shortcircuit the ethics process.

Rangel and Waters are also prominent members of the Congressional Black Caucus, leading some of their defenders to suggest that they are somehow victims of racism or a double standard. There is no evidence whatsoever to support that contention. To the contrary, the allegations against Rangel and Waters are serious and well-founded, and would require action regardless of the race or political party of the member involved. Rather than attack the Ethics Committee, the Congressional Black Caucus would be better off publicly committing to operate by the rules.

As Politico points out:

“The racism charge, though, was rejected by Melanie Sloan, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, an ethics watchdog group, even as she acknowledged the current situation is bound to anger black lawmakers.

“There are ethics problems within the CBC,” she said. “They have to acknowledge that.”

Sloan noted that several white lawmakers, including Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) and Rep. Pete Visclosky (D-Ind.), are currently under investigation by federal and congressional investigators. Ensign is being investigated by the Senate Ethics Committee and the Justice Department over the fallout from an extramarital affair he had with the wife of a top aide, while Visclosky and his former chief of staff are being probed over their ties to a now-defunct lobbying firm raided by the feds last year.

Two other white lawmakers, Reps. Eric Massa (D-N.Y.) and Mark Souder (R-Ind.), resigned this year under ethical clouds. Massa left Congress after POLITICO reported he was under investigation by the ethics committee for sexually harassing male staffers, while Souder quickly departed after admitting a long-running extramarital affair with a part-time aide.”

You can add to that list former U.S. Rep. Nathan Deal, who is now running for the GOP nomination for governor of Georgia. Deal resigned from Congress earlier this year in futile hope that by doing so he could block release of a highly critical ethics investigation.

House Democrats are clearly worried that the spectacle of two prominent members on public trial on ethics charges will hurt them in the fall elections; in fact, both Rangel and Waters are using that concern as leverage in demanding better treatment. Their willingness to threaten damage to their party caucus in order to save their own hides does not speak well for either of them.

However, the best way to gauge the current state of congressional ethics is not the behavior of individual members, but whether their colleagues are willing to tolerate that misbehavior. The Rangel and Waters cases offer evidence of a system that is working and of a House that is far more willing than in the past to police its own.

In fact, the open, aggressive process for handling House ethics investigations represents an important promise kept by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. The tough rules now in place were adopted two years ago over strong protests by Minority Leader John Boehner and most of his fellow Republicans, and even many Democrats voted for the rules grudgingly, at Pelosi’s insistence.

Back in 2005, you may recall, House Speaker Denny Hastert took a very different course. Hoping to shut down investigations of Majority Leader Tom DeLay and others, Hastert fired the Republican chairman of the Ethics Committee and two of its more independent Republican members, replacing them with House Republicans who were much more willing follow orders and bury complaints. Top committee staff was also fired, and committee rules were changed to make it much more difficult to file ethics charges. (A refresher on how ethics complaints were handled in the DeLay/Hastert era is available here.)

After DeLay was indicted on campaign-finance charges in Texas, Republican caucus rules required that he step down from his leadership role. Instead of removing DeLay, House Republicans voted to remove the rule, a step they were forced to reverse only after a harsh public backlash. In that same time frame, Hastert sat for more than a year on information that Rep. Mark Foley, a Florida Republican, was hitting on underage House pages. The speaker did nothing to protect those pages from Foley’s advances until the scandal became public and he was finally forced to act.

We should at least acknowledge that the process that we’re seeing today represents a complete reversal of that earlier attitude. The rules are being enforced.

242 comments Add your comment

Granny Godzilla

August 2nd, 2010
8:46 am

Can we do something about John Ensign too?

ty webb

August 2nd, 2010
8:52 am

“Rather than attack the Ethics Committee, the Congressional Black Caucus would be better off publicly committing to operate by the rules.”

but Jay, it’s so much easier to call someone a racist.

Outhouse GoKart

August 2nd, 2010
8:52 am

Would love to see Maxine Waters tossed out. Her attitude stinks, she is bascially indifferent to most anything except herself and she is just physically ugly. Waters is just an older, uglier, meaner, nastier, version of Cynthia McKinney.

mike

August 2nd, 2010
8:53 am

Well it took a couple of paragraphs, but you managed to spin this to the right. You are a magician with words. Maybe you should consider running for office. It is actually quite humorous to read your comic strips each day. thanks for the entertainment. Peace

TaxPayer

August 2nd, 2010
8:54 am

Republicans don’t have a problem with ethics.

USinUK

August 2nd, 2010
8:56 am

the wheels of ethics grind slow – I’m surprised it’s taken as long as it has with the Rangel situation.

Soothsayer

August 2nd, 2010
8:56 am

Gammer

August 2nd, 2010
8:56 am

How’s that swamp draining going, Nancy?

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
8:57 am

“Waters is just an older, uglier, meaner, nastier, version of Cynthia McKinney.”

You know…I WAS going to post something about “race” not having anything to do with it (and I’m personally all for them facing the music due to their actions)… and then I read something like that. Race? Nope…Bigotry? Yup!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

August 2nd, 2010
8:57 am

Well, I want my tax cuts, I demand my tax cuts, and if I don’t get my tax cuts me and a whole bunch of Tea Partiers are going to drive our pickups up to DC and lay down on the Congress floor and hold our breath and kick and scream till we get our tax cuts. These librul Democrats up there ain’t doing nothing about keeping My President’s tax cuts and if they don’t act soon they’re going to run out and taxes will go up at the start of 2011. And the most worst part is the former head of the crooked Federal Reserve, a Jew and I don’t recall his name, says they should be allowed to run out.

I’m real sorry to get off topic this early in the a.m., but things is getting pretty desperate and somebody’s got to say something.

Now to the topic. This Rangel and Waters are acting like they run the City of Atlanta or something. It’s what happens when you put a bunch of Those People in charge of anything. The first thing they do is go for the money and start putting it in their pockets and dodging taxes and everything.

This ought to teach us all to elect godly Republicans and don’t elect librul Democrats and Those People. Our people might bother a few kids or mules and run around in diapers in front of women of the evening and maybe have affairs with the wifes of people that work for them, but at least they don’t steal. Or at least steal much.

I hope they send this Rangel and Waters to prison. Or even give them the Death Penalty. Just remember them when you go to the polls in November.

If we had our people in charge now, I wouldn’t need to worry myself sick about our tax cuts going away.

Have a good day everybody.

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
8:58 am

Granny…like Newt… Ensign is an “honorable” man.

bill johnson

August 2nd, 2010
8:58 am

Laudable? Rangel has been under investigation for over 3 years. I would not call that laudable! Pelosi stated she was going to change the change “The Culture of Corruption” in the house when she took the speakership. Pelosi did the opposite and wanted to protect her buddy Charlie. Pelosi needs to go as speaker too!

JohnnyReb

August 2nd, 2010
8:59 am

No debate on past Republican ethics miscues, and the only complaint on the Dem ethics is how long it has taken to bring the Rangel case to the forefront (althoug their tardiness will go against them in Nov).

The existence of the Congressional Black Caucus is wrong. Just as having a White Congressional Caucus would be wrong. The days of coddling the black race has to come to an end. Hearing race, race, race, racist has grown extremely old. Private organizations such as the NAACP is one thing, but special interest organizations within the government has to go.

Normal

August 2nd, 2010
9:00 am

“Their willingness to threaten damage to their party caucus in order to save their own hides does not speak well for either of them.”

This is the nature of the beast for all politicians…go figure.

Ethical politicians is an oxymoron…just sayin’

Paulo977

August 2nd, 2010
9:01 am

Ensign …yeah what happened to that INVESTIGATION?

Normal

August 2nd, 2010
9:02 am

USinUK

August 2nd, 2010
8:56 am

As I said yesterday, in Rangel’s case, they had a lot to sift through…

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
9:03 am

“Ensign …yeah what happened to that INVESTIGATION?”

He “accepted” Jesus Christ as his lord and savior and was forgiven for all of his past misdeeds and sins.

Jay

August 2nd, 2010
9:05 am

Rangel has also been admonished on earlier ethics charges and forced to resign as chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, one of the top posts in the House. So to that degree, he has already seen some punishment for his actions.

TaxPayer

August 2nd, 2010
9:06 am

The way ethics was splained to me by Dave R. is that once you have to bring up the topic of ethics, you have lost the argument and since Democrats have brought it up, they have lost. Conversely, Republicans got rid of folks that brought up ethics so that makes them weiners. They did the same thing at the state level here in Georgia too. I mean, do you even hear this Ralston Purina fella talk about ethics any more now that they purged that fella that got caught with his pants down. No sireee. If they did, they would instantly lose the argument. I’m just glad I know how that ethics thing works now. The inner workings of the Republican mind is not something that is easily followed.

Peadawg

August 2nd, 2010
9:08 am

“but Jay, it’s so much easier to call someone a racist.”

Democrats would know all about that since if you disagree w/ Obama then you’re automatically racist(even though he’s also half-white).

Outhouse GoKart

August 2nd, 2010
9:09 am

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
8:57 am

Bigotry…ha, you wish.

Fact is fact brother. The sooner you admit you have a problem the sooner you might be treated.

Scout

August 2nd, 2010
9:13 am

“OFF TOPIC #1″

HA! HA! HA!

Local Headline: “Democrats Scatter Monday as Obama Comes to Town”

“And so he bowed.”

USinUK

August 2nd, 2010
9:15 am

Normal – I know – and they kept adding to the list – but it was looking like stalling tactics

“The days of coddling the black race has to come to an end. ”

sweet jeebus.

SOUTHERN ATL

August 2nd, 2010
9:15 am

Most of the ethics violations could be avoided if there were term limits.

TaxPayer

August 2nd, 2010
9:16 am

Dems want to make sure the local Republicans get all the air time they want with Obama, Scout. Now’s your chance to hit him up for a copy of his birth certificate. You being a vet and all, I bet you can get your question in there.

Outhouse GoKart

August 2nd, 2010
9:18 am

Doggone/GA

August 2nd, 2010
9:19 am

“Most of the ethics violations could be avoided if there were term limits”

Not a chance, they’d just be faster at it

TaxPayer

August 2nd, 2010
9:19 am

Outhouse is Maxine’s mother! Well!

USinUK

August 2nd, 2010
9:20 am

Doggone – “Not a chance, they’d just be faster at it”

or we’d find out about it after the fact (after all, if it’s their last term in office, what would they have to lose?)

Doggone/GA

August 2nd, 2010
9:21 am

“or we’d find out about it after the fact”

That too.

Janet

August 2nd, 2010
9:25 am

What Jay said…

SOUTHERN ATL

August 2nd, 2010
9:25 am

“Not a chance, they’d just be faster at it”

That’s true but some violations take years to build upon. I have never understood why a lot of those seats become lifetime positions.

Usmc Dawg

August 2nd, 2010
9:25 am

The Congressional “Black” Caucus is RACIST.
Where is the outrage, Jay?
Why not start to address the racism and corruption in such organizations as The Congressional “Black” Caucus and the Congressional “Hispanic” Caucus, the Atlanta Airport, the Atlanta City Government, etc.
Oh I forgot Jay, you are intellectually dishonest. That’s why.
You see folks, Jay sees the “big picture” that conservatives just aren’t smart enough to see.
Jay believes in letting racism flourish for minorities because they “need” it, and the average white guy has had all of this “privilege”, so he needs his hands tied behind his back.
“That will level the playing field.”
Jay, how about reading Dr. Kings message. You might learn something.

Doggone/GA

August 2nd, 2010
9:27 am

“I have never understood why a lot of those seats become lifetime positions”

Go back to your government education classes and learn, again, what VOTING means.

RW-(the original)

August 2nd, 2010
9:32 am

And of course the subcommittee chair said they believed Rangel deserved a reprimand. Now if he isn’t guilty he deserves nothing of the sort, but if he is guilty as charged how the heck do you come to the conclusion that he need only be reprimanded? These Dem “swamp drainers” are some tough cookies dontchaknow.

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
9:32 am

“the average white guy has had all of this “privilege”, so he needs his hands tied behind his back.”

O’Really? Just how are you being “held back” in life? Couldn’t get into Yale because they gave that placement to a minority? NASA turned you down from piloting the Space Shuttle because you were “too white” for them?

Feel free and let us know how YOUR life has been held back because of your race (which I’ll assume like myself is white)… if not…state your race and tell us of your many hardships because of your race.

larry

August 2nd, 2010
9:32 am

And Republicans didnt run from Bush when he came to town with his 25% approval rating.

Just like the two house members facing eithics charges, we have two repulbican canidates for Govenor with eithical challenges just as well.

” And so he lied”

SOUTHERN ATL

August 2nd, 2010
9:33 am

Go back to your government education classes and learn, again, what VOTING means.

Yes some are blind by the campaign promises that are made over and over during the election process and once the candidate is elected we are back a square one….a cycle that continues to repeat itself.

Outhouse GoKart

August 2nd, 2010
9:33 am

Upon Maxines arrival Hell will be a much meaner and nastier place.

saywhat?

August 2nd, 2010
9:36 am

Gammer

August 2nd, 2010
8:56 am
How’s that swamp draining going, Nancy?
Jays column passing by way up here.
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Gammer’s head way down here

Usmc Dawg

August 2nd, 2010
9:36 am

Saul, Have you ever heard of Affirmative Action? Yeah, no $h!t.

USinUK

August 2nd, 2010
9:38 am

“Saul, Have you ever heard of Affirmative Action?”

and I believe he asked you how YOUR life has been affected by it … even gave you specific examples …

Paulo977

August 2nd, 2010
9:41 am

Coddling of Black Race??? You mean exploitation , slavery , apartheid ?

USinUK

August 2nd, 2010
9:43 am

Paulo – I think this is what they mean when they say coddling:

http://dreamdogsart.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c192953ef010536dc7420970b-800wi

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

August 2nd, 2010
9:43 am

Now come on Jay, the big difference, and one you dare not discuss, is that the Hammer really didn’t do anything wrong. He was brought up on very technical issues. Not the case with Rangel (didn’t report income to IRS, didn’t disclose assets as required by law) or Walters (used influence to protect and enhance husband’s investment) who were blatantly illegal and immoral. The better question is why hasn’t the DOJ, which has time to interefere with a state’s legislative process, undertaken to prosecute Rangel and Walters.

Is it 2012 yet?

August 2nd, 2010
9:43 am

What is wrong with taking them to trial? I know I couldn’t get away with stealing (taxes) as they have.
This is applicable to both parties…………Why shouldn’t they be held to an even higher standard, they are supposed to be representing their constituents, not their bank accounts……………this is so disgusting……………it’s time for the real change in 2010 & 2012

Usmc Dawg

August 2nd, 2010
9:43 am

Your condescending question does not address the point I made.
Therefore, I don’t need to answer your questions to prove my point.
The principle of discriminating by race or anything else is wrong.
But surely you are not arguing for racial discrimination on the form of Affirmative Action.
It is flat wrong. Maybe you should read Dr. King’s message as well.

ty webb

August 2nd, 2010
9:44 am

Well, my life has been negatively affected. Anyone else seen those horrible Tyler Perry “Madea” movies?

USinUK

August 2nd, 2010
9:44 am

USinUK

August 2nd, 2010
9:45 am

“Therefore, I don’t need to answer your questions to prove my point.”

yeah. that’s pretty much what we thought.

you got nuttin

Del

August 2nd, 2010
9:45 am

Nice spin try, however, it’s been clear that Pelosi hasn’t been doing anything other than keeping her distance. Of course, she’s very much a part of the swamp she vowed to drain.

USinUK

August 2nd, 2010
9:47 am

Balance Our Budget

August 2nd, 2010
9:47 am

Notice how Jay’s blog progresses.Starts out admitting the charges against Rangel and Waters are legit and then attempts to turn the focus to former Republican House members.
Slick move Jay.

Jefferson

August 2nd, 2010
9:49 am

Congress needs a pay raise.

Usmc Dawg

August 2nd, 2010
9:50 am

@ Paulo977 and USinUK,

That picture is 50 years old and those wrongs were changed by the big bad “white” people that you despise. And Two wrongs don’t make a right.
I could show you pictures of all of the blacks raping and mugging white people to counter your 50 year old photo.
But that would not “paint” an accurate picture of “black” americans as your picture doesn’t show the attitudes of all whites.

Doggone/GA

August 2nd, 2010
9:51 am

“Congress needs a pay raise”

I don’t know about that, but wouldn’t it be an interesting experiment to have a policy that the “whistleblower” Congressperson gets an extra, say, $100 k if they bring charges that are upheld?

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2010
9:52 am

usmc dawg, I don’t know where you were bred but I’d really like that puppy mill shut down.

Meanwhile you know where you can shove your poutragey “those n!gg3rs are the REAL racists!” claptrap. Ain’t nobody buying here.

Jefferson

August 2nd, 2010
9:53 am

They have to work for “tips”….

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
9:53 am

Usmc Dawg: “Saul, Have you ever heard of Affirmative Action? Yeah, no $h!t.”

Yes usmc…as USinUK said…I was talking about YOUR personal setbacks in life because of being white. Sad that we even had to explain it to you.

USinUK

August 2nd, 2010
9:54 am

usmc – “I could show you pictures of all of the blacks raping and mugging white people to counter your 50 year old photo.”

um. UGA just called. they want their diploma back.

if you don’t understand the difference between institutionalized abuse (such as segregation, jim crow laws, etc) and random acts of violence, then, really, there’s nothing we can say to you.

Usmc Dawg

August 2nd, 2010
9:55 am

Us in the UK,

You sound like you are Goverment educated with all of the “Gotcha” tactics.

Throwing up a 50 year old pic and wanting answers to one man’s story doesn’t really
make sound very smart.

Racism is wrong; any way you try to spin it.
Your points are very weak.

Paulo977

August 2nd, 2010
9:56 am

USinUK…Oh yes “A picture is worth a thousand words” ….but then according to them ‘Up is down, black is white, bad is good and war is peace’ so at least they are consistent!!!

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2010
9:57 am

How’s that swamp draining going, Nancy?

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part of the swamp she vowed to drain.

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These Dem “swamp drainers” are some tough cookies dontchaknow.

(yeah, I know–shocked, shocked, to learn that there is groupthink going on…)

Joe

August 2nd, 2010
9:57 am

I think it’s worth pointing out the contrast between how House Democratic leadership and the press is addressing the Rangel/Waters ethics investigation head on with how Senate Republican leadership and the press is ignoring the John Ensign criminal investigation and the David Vitter issue (Vitter’s Senate aide, assigned to handling woman’s issues, held his girlfriend hostage and attacked her with a knife. Knowing this, Vitter kept this woman-beater on his staff. Remember that Vitter is the family values candidate who hired prostitutes.).

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
9:58 am

Paulo977 and USinUK @ 9:41 & 9:43

Oh… you meant the “Good Ol’ Days”…right?

Part of “taking back our Country” I hear so much about from the Tea Party rallies I presume…back to those Good Ol’ Days when them colored folk knew their place in Society… (only now we’ve added Hispanics and our muslim friends to their “list”)…

Usmc Dawg

August 2nd, 2010
9:58 am

@ UsinUK

I apologize. I thought you were advocating for Institutional racism, known today as Affirmative Action.

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
9:59 am

Oops…I almost forgot to add “gays” too! Surely they need to placed back in the closet where they belonged. I mean who let them out of there in the first place… most of been those pesky jews.

USinUK

August 2nd, 2010
10:00 am

“You sound like you are Goverment educated with all of the “Gotcha” tactics.”

:lol:

asking a simple question such as “how were YOU affected” is a “gotcha” tactic???

would you like a little cheese with your whine, ms palin??

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

August 2nd, 2010
10:00 am

America has been greatly lessened by the scurrilous attacks that drove the Hammer from office. If ever we needed a brilliant, Christian gentlemen such as Rep,. Delay, it is now that we face perhaps the blackest hour in our nation’s history.

Usmc Dawg

August 2nd, 2010
10:01 am

Saul,

The Tea Party rallies are primarily advocating Tax policies and government spending.

“Taxed Enough Already” – get it?

But nice try at “smearing”. Sounds like you are government educated as well.

RW-(the original)

August 2nd, 2010
10:01 am

So now staying on topic is called “group think” eh? Nice…..

OK, I’ll go off topic for the sake of my good friend across the aisle….sfb, with the way the Mets and Braves are both tanking what are we in for tonight?

popeye

August 2nd, 2010
10:03 am

But, But, But Robert Bird was in the KKK!

Saved any repug the time and effort.

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
10:03 am

“You sound like you are Goverment educated”

UGA huh?

That’s a GOVERNMENT school too right?

Sorry but not all of us “elites” went to those preppy private “whites only” school you were able to attend.

Doggone/GA

August 2nd, 2010
10:04 am

“Institutional racism, known today as Affirmative Action.”

wrong. It’s “ANTI-institutional racism, known today as Affirmative Action”

Outhouse GoKart

August 2nd, 2010
10:06 am

Nope…Affirmative Action is discriminatory.

stranger in a strange land

August 2nd, 2010
10:07 am

Enter your comments here

Bosch

August 2nd, 2010
10:07 am

So, which Fox pundit used “swamp drainers” over the weekend? Or was it Rush?

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

August 2nd, 2010
10:08 am

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
9:59 am

Oops…I almost forgot to add “gays” too! Surely they need to placed back in the closet where they belonged. I mean who let them out of there in the first place… most of been those pesky jews

Jay, I am offended by the racist, anti-semetic tone of Saul Good’s post. Basic decency demands that you block this person from posting, perhaps forever, but certainly for an extended period.

On this board, I am well known as a defender of the coloureds and Jew people. I am certain that the regulars on this board go to great lengths not to insult other races, colours, creeds, and religions. I know they will all stand with me in expressing our collective disgust with Saul Good and asking you to deal harshly with those who demean and are insensitive to minorities and ethnic groups.

stranger in a strange land

August 2nd, 2010
10:08 am

outhouse @ 0918 – wish you’d waited a while longer to post that – here comes my breakfast

No Mas

August 2nd, 2010
10:08 am

Hmm.. very interesting interplay between USinUK and USmcDawg (or whatever his name is).

What I find most interesting is, why does an individual’s personal situation have to be affected in order to hold a belief that a particular action or policy is wrong?

Remember a while back when some tea partier was being interviewed by CNN, and the interviewer tries some gotcha journalism with “Did you know that under O’Bama’s policies you will receive a tax refund?”, or something like that, thinking that she has scored in a major way.

Never occured to her that this person thought the tax policies being proposed were wrong, regardless of any personal benefit he may get.

Just as it seems to me that UsmcDawg thinks that racial discrimination is wrong, regardless of who is affected.

And they call the conservatives selfish.

Usmc Dawg

August 2nd, 2010
10:09 am

It is racism if it has segregates by race, isn’t it?
Or am I way off the mark as UsinK and Saul are telling me?
And no, Guys. I didn’t go to an all white high school, not that there is anything wrong with that.
Do you criticize blacks for going to all black schools? I think not.

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2010
10:09 am

sfb, with the way the Mets and Braves are both tanking what are we in for tonight?

For me? Four aspirin, likely.

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
10:10 am

Usmc Dawg@10:01 am

Oh I know… those Tea Parties crowds/gatherings are so evenly balanced when it comes to minorities in attendance.

Taxes? Yup…same rates right now those pesky Republcans put into place back in 2001 and 2003… where were the Tea Parties back then when it came to our taxes? Where was the tea parties during the spending going on from 2001-2006 (when R’s still controlled all houses)?
Yeah…it’s certainly ALL about “taxes”… yet only the taxes NOW. The very same one we’re paying since the last administration.

Does not add up Mr. “Private” school educated… or is it Private Pyle?

RW-(the original)

August 2nd, 2010
10:11 am

So, which Fox pundit used “swamp drainers” over the weekend?

Nancy Pelosi

candide

August 2nd, 2010
10:12 am

Blqck [olitricians have been crooked from the beginning. Remember Reconstruction?

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
10:15 am

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr,

yup you’re right… I should be banned. If ever there was a jew hater, gay basher, immigration denier, kkk member, who spoke out for their right of “white christians only”… it’s me alrighty…. ;-)

We’ll start out OWN club if you kick us out! I’m going to call mine something cool… The “Tea Party” is my first choice. Our motto? Taking our Country back! (from the jews, the spics, the muslims, and most of all…those damn democrats)!

Paulo977

August 2nd, 2010
10:15 am

SaulGood …and the fate of the poor(Blacks) in New Orleans in these post”Good Ol’Days” !!!

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
10:16 am

Do you criticize blacks for going to all black schools? I think not.

If they get less funding compared to the “all white school”…have older books…and their teachers are paid less as well I am…

SOUTHERN ATL

August 2nd, 2010
10:16 am

Blqck [olitricians have been crooked from the beginning. Remember Reconstruction?

Who taught them about politics and how to be crooked?

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
10:19 am

popeye @ 10:03am!

Thanks! You may have to update it when the after lunch time crew comes on. ;-)

Southern Comfort

August 2nd, 2010
10:19 am

RW

The Braves are not tanking. They’re just being good sportsmen and allowing others to win a few games. They’ll be one of the last teams playing this year. :)

on topic: I see this didn’t take long to devolve into some type of discussion on race. Nevermind the fact that there actually appears to be somewhat of an attempt to admonish corrupt politicians. It’s only two of the 535, but at least it’s a start. Whenever the Republicans regain a majority, we’ll indeed see if they are true statesmen and admonish their own.

Usmc Dawg

August 2nd, 2010
10:19 am

Saul,

Is the National Black Arts Festival “balanced when it comes to whites in attendance?”
What about the Congressional “Black” caucus?
Am I supposed to judge your ideas based on the number of friends that you have that are White, Black, etc.?
That sounds kind of narrow minded.
Are you saying that if there are not enough minorities in attendance then the ideas are bad?
I don’t get it.
And by the way, I am enjoying this dialogue with you and USinUK because atleast we are “airing it out”. We obviously disagree and have different views.

Usmc Dawg

August 2nd, 2010
10:23 am

Saul,

Public School Funding is based on TAX dollars that Homeowners pay. It is not based on SKIN color.

The Atlanta Public Schools employ and are headed by an overwhelming BLACK majority.
So, where is the “white” racism?

Southern Comfort

August 2nd, 2010
10:24 am

Is the National Black Arts Festival “balanced when it comes to whites in attendance?”

It was held in Centennial Park, and there were people of all races both visiting the booths and operating them. Did you venture down there to see for yourself or are you generalizing based on the name of the event? There was even a Brazilian percussion group, Olodum, that performed on the Thursday evening of that weekend.

Saul Good

August 2nd, 2010
10:24 am

Usmc: “Are you saying that if there are not enough minorities in attendance then the ideas are bad?”

Well I personally believe that their “ideas” are based upon faulty logic… I also know that a great many of the “signs” that “some” in attendance carry certainly does not make minorities feel “welcome”…

Jimmy62

August 2nd, 2010
10:24 am

I’ll hold my breath on congratulating Pelosi on keeping her promise to have the most ethical Congress ever as soon as they actually take action on ethics violations (which should include such ethical issues like taking private planes everywhere while castigating people for wasting gas and polluting). Rnagel is still in office, so is Maxine Waters, and I have a feeling both will stay in office. All the talk in the world matters not when the guilty continue to keep their positions. Rangel should be in jail for his crimes. I know I would be had I been caught for similar things.

Normal

August 2nd, 2010
10:25 am

Saying “politicians are unethical” is like saying “the sky is blue”.

Saying “you’re racist and I’m not” is proof you are racist.

Move on folks, it’s time to get past this petty stuff and start working on something really important, like bringing our troops home.

See y’all next thread…

neo-Carlinist

August 2nd, 2010
10:26 am

did you say “laudable” or “laughable”? unless they tar and feather this guy, or send him away for the rest of his life, this will be just another faux example of DC “justice” (criminals policing their own).

RW-(the original)

August 2nd, 2010
10:26 am

Thursday evening of that weekend.

You can tell SoCo is a government employee. :-)

stands for decibels

August 2nd, 2010
10:26 am

Nevermind the fact that there actually appears to be somewhat of an attempt to admonish corrupt politicians.

No fair actually reading Jay’s column!