Legal challenge to ObamaCare clears first procedural hurdle

From the Christian Science Monitor:

A federal judge in Richmond, Va, refused on Monday to throw out a lawsuit filed by the Virginia attorney general challenging the constitutionality of President Obama’s health care reform law.

The ruling is the first decision in what may be years of litigation over the question of whether Congress has the power to regulate – and tax – a citizen’s decision not to buy health insurance.

US District Judge Henry Hudson said that neither the US Supreme Court nor any circuit court of appeals had squarely addressed that question. Existing legal precedents are inconclusive, he said.

“Given the presence of some authority arguably supporting the theory underlying each side’s position, this court cannot conclude at this stage that the complaint fails to state a cause of action,” Judge Hudson wrote in a 32-page opinion.”

Hudson’s ruling is available here. Having read it, I’d say that his sympathy with Virginia’s argument is pretty clear, and leads him to perhaps push his analysis a bit. But that’s fine. As Hudson notes, this case is destined to be settled in a higher court than his, and if accepting the case pushes that process along, so be it.

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getalife

August 2nd, 2010
6:55 pm

git yur guvmint hans off my heathcares.

Today, was one of the hottest days around these parts.

Seriously hot like Vegas.

theyeshaveit

August 2nd, 2010
7:01 pm

By the way, this is the same AG who is trying to give the police in Virginia the authority to ask the same questions that Governor Brewer in Arizona was told she cannot ask.

RW-(the original)

August 2nd, 2010
7:04 pm

And Hudson is a GWB appointed judge. Are we sure about this whole concept of justice being blind?

Mark in mid-town

August 2nd, 2010
7:05 pm

It’s beyond shameless that Obama, with a straight face, can now argue that his health-care mandate is a tax after claiming all along that it wasn’t a tax. How does he get away with that? Either it’s not a tax and the mandate is unconstitutional, or it is a tax and Obama lied through his teeth about it not being a tax so as to pull the wool over the American people. Is deliberately lying to the American people an impeachable offense? Oh, never-mind.

Bruno

August 2nd, 2010
7:08 pm

“A federal judge in Richmond, Va, refused on Monday to throw out a lawsuit filed by the Virginia attorney general challenging the constitutionality of President Obama’s health care reform law.”

Every now and again my faith if the American way is restored.

theyeshaveit

August 2nd, 2010
7:10 pm

Every adult in this country probably has their political views, including judges. But we somehow expect them to be fair. That is our system. We do believe that people can be objective. When the judge asked me three weeks ago if I could be objective if were a member of the jury, I answered, “Yes,” because I believed that I could. Hopefully, our judges, despite their political persuasions, can be as fair as a juror.

Bruno

August 2nd, 2010
7:13 pm

“Either it’s not a tax and the mandate is unconstitutional, or it is a tax and Obama lied through his teeth about it not being a tax so as to pull the wool over the American people.”

As another poster pointed out to me a while back, the language in the Health Care Bill calls for a penalty based upon your income for not purchasing a government-approved health care insurance plan with a minimum fine of $650, with the kicker being that the IRS cannot garnish wages or exact any other penalty if you choose not to pay the fine. In other words, there’s a penalty, but it’s non-enforceable.

RW-(the original)

August 2nd, 2010
7:13 pm

eyes,

It’s not some much of whether our courts can be fair, I think they do a pretty good job of that, but with these kinds of rulings it’s almost like you can look up who appointed them and predict which way they’ll lean. The justice that heard the Arizona case and leaned to the federal position was a Clinton nominee.

RW-(the original)

August 2nd, 2010
7:14 pm

How’d the so turn into some?

(IHSC)

theyeshaveit

August 2nd, 2010
7:16 pm

Kenneth Cuccinelli, Attorney General of Virginia, is reloading. That’s what happens when you covet votes and political office I guess.

http://www.examiner.com/x-54956-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m8d2-VA-Attorney-Gen-says-cops-can-check-for-immigration-status

Be forewarned the aforementioned link is based on what Fox News reports. I just want to be sure we do not get into another Shirley Sherrod situation.

theyeshaveit

August 2nd, 2010
7:21 pm

just a thought….Virginia must be one of those states with a surplus if they have the resources to finance this kind of lawsuit.

Where's Jay?

August 2nd, 2010
7:22 pm

Remember when Lynndie England was being made the scapegoat for Abu Ghraib? Wasn’t Jay screaming for heads at the top to roll, even of those heads were thousands of miles away in Washington?

But now Atlanta has its own scandal, the APS cheating scandal, with over 100 educators implicated for cheating. But even though the leader of that system is mere miles away, not thousands of miles away, is Jay calling for any heads to roll? Even though his own paper has pointed out that half of the committee investigation the cheating has business dealing with APS, is Jay calling anybody out on this? Sure Jay commented on it once, but that’s not nearly the same thing as holding the leaders at the top accountable by calling for resignations, and not allowing low level expendables to take the fall, like Jay pointed out with England.

Wasn’t Jay everywhere to be found when it came time for heads at the top to roll when the scandal was in Washington? So why is Jay nowhere to be found when it comes to calling for heads to roll at the top when the scandal is in his own backyard?

theyeshaveit

August 2nd, 2010
7:25 pm

F. Sinkwich

August 2nd, 2010
7:25 pm

So you’re saying it’s just fine that the government can by law mandate the purchase, but since it really can’t enforce it, it’s ok, Bruno?

Bruno

August 2nd, 2010
7:25 pm

“So why is Jay nowhere to be found when it comes to calling for heads to roll at the top when the scandal is in his own backyard?”

Probably barbecuing on the grill. From what he says, he’s a pretty mean chef.

Speaking of eats, catch you in a while…….

F. Sinkwich

August 2nd, 2010
7:29 pm

Obamacare is going down, bit by bit.

Boo hoo.

Bruno

August 2nd, 2010
7:29 pm

“So you’re saying it’s just fine that the government can by law mandate the purchase, but since it really can’t enforce it, it’s ok, Bruno?”

Don’t misread me, F. Sinkwich, I think the Obama health care plan is the worst piece of legislation to make it though Congress in my lifetime. I’ve stated from the beginning that it’s the worst possible solution to solving what ails our health care system (namely high prices). I was simply pointing out the confusing way that it is being mandated.

I’ve also predicted from the beginning that it would never make it past all the court challenges because it is un-Constitutional to make the purchase of any commercial product a condition of citizenship.

Rest easy.

Doggone/GA

August 2nd, 2010
7:30 pm

“So why is Jay nowhere to be found when it comes to calling for heads to roll at the top when the scandal is in his own backyard?”

Say this s-l-o-w-l-y and c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y, altogether now: if I don’t like the subject of Jay’s blog, I can always go and do MY OWN BLOG.

josef nix

August 2nd, 2010
7:31 pm

You’ve got to admit, when whether or not opting to grow your own marijuana is a matter of interstate commerce to be considered in a court’s decision, American jurisprudence has reached a strange new level! I’m still trying to digest THAT one!

I’ll agree with Jay, though, this judge’s choice of wording makes pretty clear what his opinions above and beyond the scope of the case are. But, all 38 pages could have been boiled down to “you ain’t heard the last of this by a long shot.”

F. Sinkwich

August 2nd, 2010
7:31 pm

Sorry, Bruno, I misinterpreted your post.

josef nix

August 2nd, 2010
7:32 pm

OOPS make that all 32 pages could be…

Where's Jay?

August 2nd, 2010
7:32 pm

Doggone/GA if you don’t like a post, let the scroll button be your friend.

Doggone/GA

August 2nd, 2010
7:38 pm

“Doggone/GA if you don’t like a post, let the scroll button be your friend”

You might think about taking your own advice.

Bubba Bob

August 2nd, 2010
7:39 pm

“It’s not a tax” – President Obama

“It’s a tax and we can tax all we want” – President Obama

“We’re screwed” – Bubba Bob

Jackie

August 2nd, 2010
7:39 pm

Another example of how the so-called conservatives are protecting the public from the “terrorists.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433×395647

josef nix

August 2nd, 2010
7:42 pm

Where’s Jay…
I’ve got my own issues with Ole Missus down to the Big House on Pryor Street, I don’t think her head should be on the chopping block on the latest scandal…you sort of would have had to have been there, but anybody stupid enough to cheat on this last CRCT go ’round, certainly did that on their own and ought to be railroaded out as just plain dumb…she had no hand in the transgressions of that 109…

Where's Jay?

August 2nd, 2010
7:44 pm

I prefer to let Jay be the arbiter. If he thinks the question is totally without merit, he certainly has the power to remove the post doesn’t he? I’m hoping he’ll step up to the plate with an answer, or a promise to address the issue in a future blog.

I don’t think that’s too much to ask of a paper that claims to be a watchdog of the common good.

Where's Jay?

August 2nd, 2010
7:47 pm

josef, I think the phrase the NCAA uses is lack of institutional control. 9? You have some individuals making poor choices. 109? You have a lack of institutional control that calls for accountability at the top.

Scout

August 2nd, 2010
7:50 pm

“The bigger the government the smaller the citizen”

Scout

August 2nd, 2010
7:51 pm

Daddy, is that Judge who ruled against your Healthcare plan racist ?

Doggone/GA

August 2nd, 2010
7:52 pm

“I prefer to let Jay be the arbiter. If he thinks the question is totally without merit, he certainly has the power to remove the post doesn’t he?”

There’s nothing to arbitrate. Interesting that your mind immediately leaps to some kind of “control”

You are on an opinion blog, not a news report. Jay posts about things on which he has an opinion at the moment he posts it. If you don’t like it, you CAN start your own blog. That’s the bottom line.

Luckily for those of us familiar with how Jay operates, he generally ignores posts like yours as being just the background noise they are.

josef nix

August 2nd, 2010
7:54 pm

Where’s Jay

109 out of 3000…and, believe me, the oversight on this one was quite thorough…and of that 109 you can bet there’ll be heads a rollin…some of these infractions will indeed be minor, others will be major. A teacher or proctor not moving about the room during testing was a reportable infraction, meriting a reprimand since that was stated in the protocol. A teacher or principal with excessive erasures and correct answer re-bubbles will be pulled up for potential dismissal and/or revocation of license…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 2nd, 2010
7:55 pm

They need a judicial system to answer this question??

I pray for you America.

@@

August 2nd, 2010
7:57 pm

I thought Obama’s justice department was arguing their case based on their overriding authority to tax. Now they’re arguing they have overriding authority to penalize?

Taxes are penalties now?

I like what Richard Thompson of the Thomas More Law Center in Michigan said:

“Let’s face it, if Congress has the power to force individuals to purchase health insurance coverage or pay a federal penalty merely because they live in America, then it has the unconstrained power to mandate that every American family buy a General Motors vehicle to help the economy or pay a federal penalty.”

Not to worry Mr. Thompson….we bought a Ford.

I’ll be so glad when we get this one out of the way….the Obama administration, that is.

Where's Jay?

August 2nd, 2010
7:58 pm

“Interesting that your mind immediately leaps to some kind of “control””

You are now showing signs of utter desperation Doggone/GA

“Luckily for those of us familiar with how Jay operates, he generally ignores posts like yours as being just the background noise they are.”

Wrong yet again Doggone/GA. Jay on more than one occasion has addressed issues such as this, even if they weren’t the topic at hand.

You’ve yet to come up with a compelling reason why it is inappropriate to ask Jay about the range and scope of the topics he covers.

AmVet

August 2nd, 2010
8:01 pm

Some of this blow back towards government intervention in the free markets is warranted. Yes, the socialist label and other such hyper-alarmed, exaggerated nonsense is amazingly lacking in intellectual honesty, but the concern is legitimate.

I too was amazed at what a debacle the HCR was. For example, Max Baucus, likely on orders from above, would not allow ONE single-payer voice to be heard at those “hearings”. Not once, not ever. But plenty of business and industry people were allowed input, I assure you. Now just how “Democratic” is that?

Which was the exact same scenario at Bush’s closed door, back room dealings to sneak through that $700 billion “rescue of financial institutions”in 9/08. The one that merely plunged the U.S. government (you and me) deeper into a fiscal abyss. None of the best minds were invited. Nobody to really represent the common American. No calm, reasoned debate with numerous opinions being bandied about. Just fear-mongered, rammed-through reactionaryism by a tiny few.

Yet that very blindly bemoaned intervention is due primarily to the free market doing such an awful job of properly and fully policing itself and simply doing right by it’s shareholders, customers, taxpayers, community and country.

“… the consequences of a sustained orgy of excess and reckless behavior,” And that ain’t me speaking. That’s the president of the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank.

And to Bruno’s point, most legislation is toothless anyway. It quasi-defines what the illegalities are, but holds no one responsible. What a racket, huh? No wonder so many lawyers are reviled; they create de facto and de jure legalized thievery.

And our failing duopoly tries to continually fool us into believing they’re actually doing something helpful on behalf of we the people by giving money-coated children’s aspirin to treat the corporate capitalism cancer. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. Greased palms.)

Where's Jay?

August 2nd, 2010
8:01 pm

Josef, are you really going to put forth the notion that if a bank in Atlanta had financial misdeeds at 58 of their branches, you would not hold the general manager for that bank in Atlanta accountable? Seriously.

Scout

August 2nd, 2010
8:01 pm

Dusty:

I left something for you @ 11:33pm on 8/1 on the below thread regarding a question you had asked:

“ADL abandons its principles, surrenders its cause”

josef nix

August 2nd, 2010
8:07 pm

109 infractions, many minor, spread out over 58 branches…I daresay that would not be at all out of line…a single site with major infractions, by all means it would be investigated…I am not at liberty to say what my own role those days was and what I was checking on and reporting back on…but I can assure you it was something out of the KGB!

@@

August 2nd, 2010
8:08 pm

HEY!

A moment to be proud of (I guess),,,,

We’re No. 1! UGA tops party schools ranking

My daughter, who’s home for a coupl’a days, was just commenting on how proud she was to have contributed to UGA’s top ranking.

Where is she attending now? Won’t be specific, but it’s a very prestigious school up north. Pursuing her masters, she is.

It’s not the size of the dawg in the fight, it’s the size of the fight in the dawg.

Stew Day

August 2nd, 2010
8:09 pm

WAIT A PRIZE FIGHT. Freedom vs the government.

josef nix

August 2nd, 2010
8:12 pm

And BTW, Where’s Jay, these findings are from previous years…not this last testing go ’round…which is why I say that the issue has been addressed…CYA? No doubt, but definitely a change in approach and responsibility….

Where's Jay?

August 2nd, 2010
8:13 pm

256,000 wrong to right answers is minor josef? Schools where 85% of the classes had severe concerns is minor josef? The single largest drop in the state in CRCT scores this year is minor josef?

Please josef, what’s next? A claim that the latest E-Rate scandal is just a minor paperwork issue?

Curious Observer

August 2nd, 2010
8:14 pm

I don’t care what happens in the suit against the healthcare law. It’s a bad law. It became bad the minute the decision was made to refuse to consider single-payer or a Medicare buy-in. After that, it became a vehicle for enriching the insurance companies even further and making taxpayers haul the freight with higher insurance premiums and taxes.

Even if the law survives, we can all expect higher health insurance premiums. Features like no cancellation, no lifetime caps, no prexisting conditions clauses, and essentially no underwriting don’t come free of charge. The additional costs to insurance companies will be spread among all of us, whether through group or individual coverage policies. You’ll be paying much more in taxes to pay for this expanded national coverage; the only difference is that they’ll be called premiums, not taxes. You’re dreaming if you think that government fiat can address healthcare costs. It started out as a good idea that went bad quickly.

AmVet

August 2nd, 2010
8:15 pm

Where’s Jay?

http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/

Pay special attention to the topics of false dichotomy and far fetched hypothesis.

Where's Jay?

August 2nd, 2010
8:15 pm

josef if were really just a few rouge educators, why did APS, once it was made all but impossible for post test erasing to occur, experience the biggest drop in the state in CRCT scores this year?

If it were as minor as you say it was, then wouldn’t any drop have been minor as well, instead of having the single biggest drop in CRCT scores in the entire state?

Where's Jay?

August 2nd, 2010
8:17 pm

Tell you what AmVet. Why don’t you tell us, since you’re so up on logic and such, what the single most plausible explanation is for APS having the single biggest drop in CRCT scores in the state this year.

Where's Jay?

August 2nd, 2010
8:23 pm

“Pay special attention to the topics of false dichotomy and far fetched hypothesis.”

Let me get this straight AmVet. The APS board names a blue ribbon commission, and it turns out that almost half of the commission members have business dealings with APS, and it’s far fetched to ask if the objectivity of the commission is in question?

Oookkaaay.

josef nix

August 2nd, 2010
8:25 pm

Where’s Jay

Some 250,000 erasures wrong to right…out of how many bubble in circles in all? I am not at all trying to exculpate those 12 or so schools and heads should roll (and should have been rolling earlier!)

I am not saying that ALL these infractions werre minor…I’m not saying a red flag should not have gone up a long time ago on those schools…I am saying, though, that this is not indicative of the APS as a whole insofar as the local sites are concerned…I am saying that the corrective measures taken now make it quite clear that this had to do with certain sites and the culture that has come, not so much from even Ole Missus, as from DC down with that stupid NCLB cr*p…if heads are to roll, then let’s be real Jacobin’s and start with Robespierre in the Department of Education…

There are plenty of schools and plenty of teachers and plenty of principals in the system that did not fall prey…and their CRCT scores showed modest gains…

I acknowledge that my original reaction was in thinking that you were referring to this year’s testing, having only cursorilly read the article myself…my error in that…

AmVet

August 2nd, 2010
8:26 pm

No, I’ll not suffer you glady, WJ.

I merely pointed out exactly what your initial “concern” was.

You contrived some Jay-centric coverage controversy, or the lack thereof betwen Abu Ghraib and the APS.

The topics of your false comparison are of no interest to me. At least at this moment.

Obama-care is.

Where's Jay?

August 2nd, 2010
8:30 pm

“The topics of your false comparison are of no interest to me. At least at this moment.”

I’d say the same thing if I were thoroughly rebutted too AmVet! Carry on with Obama-care then.

Bruno

August 2nd, 2010
8:34 pm

Looks like the health care bill debate petered out quickly…….

Where’s Jay–I’m eminently unqualified to answer your questions re: the CRCT questions, but my guess is that the cheating was borne out of fear by the teachers and principals that they would lose their jobs. Accountability for delivering a good education sounds great on the surface, but if you’re stuck in a school district in which the parents don’t really give a crap, then the best of efforts will fail.

Don’t take this as an endorsement for cheating, just expressing sympathy for the teachers stuck in bad school districts.

TaxPayer

August 2nd, 2010
8:36 pm

Why don’t you tell us, since you’re so up on logic and such, what the single most plausible explanation is for APS having the single biggest drop in CRCT scores in the state this year.

I keep tellin’ people, Don’t drink the water.

AmVet

August 2nd, 2010
8:38 pm

Rebutted?

–verb 1. to refute by evidence or argument. 2. to oppose by contrary proof

You must mean some other word.

As for Obama-care, I’ve dodged yet another fiscal bullet. I now use the best health care organization in the world. The gold standard. The Veterans Administration.

And foolishly paid private industry insurance premiums for decades. What a sap huh?

BTW, as I was driving out of the valet-ed parking, I read a great sign out front the other day. It read, “The price of freedom is on display here every day.”

josef nix

August 2nd, 2010
8:39 pm

BRUNO
Point made, but even here it’s not so much the district, as it is certain schools within that district. The problem is that schools in critically depressed neighborhoods are expected to perform on par with those in affluent and highly educated neighborhoods…one size fits all…as I say, give me a standardized child, and I’ll give you a standardized result…I’m lucky. I work in one of those sites which gives sterling results, but then we also have a sterling raw product…

Where's Jay?

August 2nd, 2010
8:43 pm

Your silence says it all AmVet. Otherwise you would tell us, what the single most plausible explanation is for APS having the single biggest drop in CRCT scores in the state this year, given that the only verifiable difference between this year’s test and last year’s is that a protocol was put in place that all but guaranteed cheating would be eliminated.

But if Obama-care is more comfortable to talk about than answering that question, by all means, I yield the floor. I think my work is done here.

Bruno

August 2nd, 2010
8:47 pm

“The problem is that schools in critically depressed neighborhoods are expected to perform on par with those in affluent and highly educated neighborhoods…one size fits all”

I don’t see any reasonable solutions, josef. By agreeing to work in the bad areas, it seems the teachers will be perpetually condemned to receiving poor job performance ratings. You can only be as good as the raw materials you start with.

Normal

August 2nd, 2010
8:48 pm

How is it that the opposers of “Obamacare” can see us as the “caretakers and policy makers” of the world, but are willing to forgo proper health care for our own people. Cost too much, you say? Then quit spending money on telling the rest of the world how to act. There. Problem solved. Good night, Irene.

getalife

August 2nd, 2010
8:48 pm

The middle class will get the same ole lip service but anything the government does now is tainted with the sc citizen corruption.

Bruno

August 2nd, 2010
8:48 pm

WJ–What is exactly your point? You seem to be demanding that someone else make it for you. Why don’t you save everyone the grief and just say what you want to say. Is it really that hard?

Don't Forget

August 2nd, 2010
8:49 pm

The irony here is that the provision in question was actually proposed by the republicans in 1993 as part of an alternative to the Clinton healthcare plan. Makes you wonder what ideas they have today will they be fighting against in 15 years.

who dis is

August 2nd, 2010
8:50 pm

This is the same judge who gave Michael Vick two years in prison.

Bruno

August 2nd, 2010
8:53 pm

“Cost too much, you say? Then quit spending money on telling the rest of the world how to act. There. Problem solved. Good night, Irene.”

Since we beat this topic to death prior to the HC bill passing, Normal, I won’t drone on about it, but the culprit behind the high health care costs is the third-party payment system which opens the door for waste and abuse. Rather than reducing the role of the insurance companies (i.e. the third-party payment system), Obamacare increases it. As such, it doesn’t take much brain power to see that costs will be going up, not down.

Alvin Greene for Senate in SC

August 2nd, 2010
8:54 pm

Roy Barnes knows better than to show up at Obama’s gig today….

Vote for ?????

Uhhhhh….. Karen Handel.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

August 2nd, 2010
8:56 pm

Of course the government has no right to make me purchase health care insurance. This will be a moot point once the bureaucrats interpret the law and force the insurance companies out of business. There will be a thriving business offshore to take care of Americans, so no need to worry. If I remember correctly, South Korea is already advertising for business.

josef nix

August 2nd, 2010
8:56 pm

BRUNO
Left out of this equation as well are those schools in the critically depressed neighborhoods which showed modest improvements and withstood the investigation…testimony to the dedication of those teachers who give it their all despite the circumstances…IMHO those teachers and administrators should be singled out and given the praise and reward they are due…I did a bit of knee-jerk here on this this p.m., but, well, all things considered, the APS is a long way from one of the worst systems in the country.

zeke

August 2nd, 2010
8:57 pm

Finally a federal judge that believes in the Constitution!!!!

Bruno

August 2nd, 2010
8:57 pm

Df–As an alternative to HillaryCare, ObamaCare might be a slight improvement, but they are both waaaaay off track if the goal is to reduce overall expenditures.

BTW, I also found a website in which Robert Hunter himself explains the thinking that went into the writing of the lyrics to “Franklin’s Tower”:

http://www.guitarzone.com/forum/topic/165021-an-intersting-essay-on-the-meaning-of-songs/

Doggone/GA

August 2nd, 2010
8:58 pm

“How is it that the opposers of “Obamacare” can see us as the “caretakers and policy makers” of the world, but are willing to forgo proper health care for our own people.”

I’ve been asking myself the same question.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 2nd, 2010
8:59 pm

Even those who favor this new Islamic Center surely can appreciate why some American feelings are rubbed raw by the idea of a mosque at a place where Islamic terrorists killed more than 2,700 innocent people.

Such simple, undeniable truths just escape our little Jew haters and moonbats.

josef nix

August 2nd, 2010
8:59 pm

Would rather stick around, but gotta go and get ready for another day on the front lines of education…

I read the decision all the way through…interesting…

@@

August 2nd, 2010
9:02 pm

It’s become all too obvious that jay is willing to ignore the weeds in his own front yard…

City of Atlanta’s APS scandal, along with the Corey v CoA.

He LUVS to chew his cud from the other side of the fence.

Bruno

August 2nd, 2010
9:05 pm

“IMHO those teachers and administrators should be singled out and given the praise and reward they are due…”

I’ve always had a soft spot for teachers, josef, due to the challenge of holding the attention of 28-32 pupils, many of whom don’t really want to be there for one reason or another. In both HS and beyond, I’ve told other students to please STFU, I’m trying to get an education here.

TaxPayer

August 2nd, 2010
9:08 pm

Our local healthcare system is really quite simple and it has very low overhead. If you get sick with something that you cannot afford and you choose not to just lay down in a field somewhere and die but choose instead to be a burden on everyone else, you stick pictures of yourself or your sick one in mason jars and sit them on the counters of all the stores. If people feel sorry enough for you, you might get enough to cover part of your prepayment costs at the neighboring county’s hospital. I think folks ought to be able to at least get affordable insurance to cover the cost of mason jars and pictures.

@@

August 2nd, 2010
9:08 pm

josef:

For me, the reward always came from the child’s success. To them goes the glory.

Bruno

August 2nd, 2010
9:16 pm

“Such simple, undeniable truths just escape our little Jew haters and moonbats.”

I’ve read the Constitution a few times, Reporter, but I must have missed the section that talked about protecting people’s feelings. Maybe you can point it out to me. I didn’t realize that you were such a paragon of sensitivity.

AmVet

August 2nd, 2010
9:16 pm

…by all means, I yield the floor. I think my work is done here.

Okie Dokie, William Jennings Bryan

Del

August 2nd, 2010
9:22 pm

Wow, we have education, the absence of Roy Barnes to greet Obama to Georgia and a few other things thrown in. Jay, no fire discipline or topic discipline.

Del

August 2nd, 2010
9:25 pm

I love these state challenges to B.O. I think it’s going to get very interesting over the next few years until he gets voted out of office.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

August 2nd, 2010
9:26 pm

I’ve read the Constitution a few times, Reporter, but I must have missed the section that talked about protecting people’s feelings.

Well, well, for once I agree with Bruno. Let’s do away with “hate” crimes legislation, minority set asides, school busing mandates, discrimination laws and all the other multitudinous cacophony that the liberals have used to wall themselves off from reality.

Here, here moonbat, welcome aboard.

AmVet

August 2nd, 2010
9:32 pm

This guv race should be wild. Handel/Deal vs. the bland Barnes.

Is it really possible that after 130 years the GOP can go Sonny and out?

Bruno

August 2nd, 2010
9:33 pm

“Let’s do away with “hate” crimes legislation, minority set asides, school busing mandates”

I’m with you so far.

“discrimination laws”

And part company right here……..

Bruno

August 2nd, 2010
9:39 pm

Am–Looks like the blog has died for the night. This is a multiple repeat, but always loved this GH number:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x0FUZgbtHc

Del

August 2nd, 2010
9:39 pm

It’s amazing how the Libs are so ignorant of how illegals game our healthcare system. Just go down to the Woman’s Center at Northside Hospital and observe sometime. You might get an education as to where Obama Care is headed. B.O. wants everyone to be totally dependent on the federal government. Yeah, it’s called socialism.

Granny Godzilla

August 2nd, 2010
9:42 pm

Seems like “social promotion” to me.

AmVet

August 2nd, 2010
9:42 pm

(Yet again) Chipper goes yard against the Mets. Yowzers!

And Rick Ankiel is a Brave!

Scout

August 2nd, 2010
9:42 pm

THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING VIDEOS I HAVE EVER SEEN ……… ONLY 5 MINUTES:

http://www.runawayslavemovie.com/

Dusty

August 2nd, 2010
9:42 pm

SCOUT,
If you are still around these parts.. Re: last night’s post @11:33

The Democratic Republic of Congo….., almost continuous violence there since 2009, Congolese and Rwanda armies fought against rebel armies (FDRL) causing mass displacement. Different armed groups killed hundreds at a time.. Rape was a common weapon. Hundreds of thousands fled villages.

Into this continuing violence even today, Doctor without Borders has tried to run hospitals and clinics trying to give aid in every way including vaccinations. help for victims of sexual violence and working against chlorea, malaria, sleeping sickness, Ebola,TB and malnutrition .That is why I like Docs WithoutBorders. They are scattered all over the world in places where there is almost no medical care or prevention. Iti s a mighty work, much of it on emergency status and they are prepared to move immediately. A great organization.

Now the END OF TIME STUDY: I am less formalized than you on that question. For me, I feel that neither I nor anyone else knows when that day will come. I know you like to study the scholars and their views are important. But for me, it is a study in history not the basis for my faith. But without Augustine, Luther, Calvin and many others, we might have a very narrow view.

But inspiration for me comes from the Bible, good ministers and good people. Each of those has shown me what Christian love can mean and that helps me throughout troubles and doubt. And, I know that we should be prepared at all time to do the “right” thing.

But..guess I have a way to go. Watching some of the theologians on videos in Sunday School, I occasionally get the feeling “That guy oughta go out and get a job!” See what I mean? I still have a way to go!!

@@

August 2nd, 2010
9:45 pm

“discrimination laws”

And part company right here……..

Don’t see how that’s possible since “hate” crimes legislation, minority set asides, school busing mandates” were all founded on discrimination laws.

It’s only Monday, but what the hell….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ujS1er1r0&feature=avmsc2

Scout

August 2nd, 2010
9:50 pm

Dusty:

My Dad was an “old time” preacher and a great one but I hear you.

Del

August 2nd, 2010
9:51 pm

Dusty,

We all have a long way to go and we won’t get all the way there in this life time.

AS DEBATED ON CSPAN

August 2nd, 2010
10:00 pm

Universal health care. The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions). Obama doesn’t care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt. What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?
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@@

August 2nd, 2010
10:04 pm

Great video, Scout, but you know what jay’s left-wingers will claim….all those black folks are plants because that’s what democrats need them to be. Plants….as in house plants that require their party’s tender loving care.

Dave R.

August 2nd, 2010
10:04 pm

Only doing a drive by comment tonight.

I laugh when I read the “But republicans were pushing for this back in 19-whatever as their solution”, as if nothing have changed in the last 30 or so years (see: Don’t forget @ 8:49, et al). So what if Nixon or Reagan or any Republican wanted it back then?

Note to any poster (and this includes you, too, Jay) who types that garbage. ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE DEAD NOW! And the GOP has changed from what could be called a moderate party to one more conservatively based.

That strawman only works if we were back in the days of the 70’s and 80’s. Those days are gone, and using 30 or 40 year-old quotes doesn’t get you to the present-day solution.

Now have a good night everybody.

Scout

August 2nd, 2010
10:09 pm

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Sad but true ………….

Del

August 2nd, 2010
10:13 pm

Looks like everyone’s off to zulu land. G’nite

Scout

August 2nd, 2010
10:13 pm

Two Rulings …….. Two Threads from Jay …………. You decide:

1) Judge blocks key portions of Arizona’s controversial immigration law

2) Legal challenge to ObamaCare clears first procedural hurdle

Arizona law is “controversial” but ObamaCare isn’t ?

Mick

August 2nd, 2010
10:13 pm

Dave R.

You are so correct – today’s republican party is led by limbaugh, palin, mcconnell, and boehner – enough said..

Bruno

August 2nd, 2010
10:13 pm

“Don’t see how that’s possible since “hate” crimes legislation, minority set asides, school busing mandates” were all founded on discrimination laws.”

Although the items mentioned above may have been a reaction/remedy to past discrimination, they are discriminatory in and of themselves, IMO. The only legitimate path that I see to a “color-blind” society is to apply the law equally to all people.

Mick

August 2nd, 2010
10:17 pm

**The only legitimate path that I see to a “color-blind” society is to apply the law equally to all people.**

Ideallism, however not realism.