ADL abandons its principles, surrenders its cause

Yeah, I saw this too. Not angry, mostly I just wanna shake my head and say to the ADL “what are you guys thinking?”

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Putting the same blanket of guilt on all Muslims for 911, is like putting a blanket of guilt on all White Christians for Timothy McVeigh’s bombing in Oklahoma City.

Fear mongering is all it is and y’all are falling for it.

You Christians have a slogan of “Let go and let God”, which I suppose, means let go of your fears and let God take care of you. I think it’s time for y’all to, if not practise it more, at least think about it more.

Still, bottom line, New York City has approved the build site and I applaud them.

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Yeah. Let’s be tolerant of other religions. Like Islam is tolerant of other religions.

I agree, close the doors of the ADL. While we’re at it let’s close the doors of other organizations that have lost their credibility: ACLU, NAACP, National Urban League, SCLC, yada, yada, yada…..

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Off topic,

Looks like another member of the Congressional Black Caucus is being brought up on charges of ethical misconduct. Our old friend, Maxine Waters, will join Charlie in two ethics trials which will no doubt last well into October of this year. Just in time for November. This is getting better every day.

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Normal,

Not condoning McVeigh’s actions. It was horrendous. But wasn’t his target the Federal Government. As I see it, the World Trade Center’s attackers target was American society, culture and infidels.

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I would somewhat disagree that they are abandoning their principles. In fact I would say they are very consistent. Most organizations like the ADL and NAACP have long been against symbolic signs of racism, bigotry and hatred. Sometimes they have taken this to far. For example, the swastika and the rebel flag.

They indicate that they believe the group has every right to build the mosque but should take into account the sensitivity of others before they build.

Building a mosque to some near where attack by a group claiming to having the same religion is inflammatory otherwise we would be having this discussion.

This is from someone who is not inflamed by such a building of a mosque. I have a hard time believe a moderate Muslim group would insist upon building a mosque near ground zero. Just like I find it hard to believe any state would insist upon flying a rebel flag over the state capital.

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Levi Johnston Ex Lanesia Garcia Pregnant: Bristol Palin Wedding Off?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/30/levi-johnston-ex-lanesia_n_664897.html

The republicans would just LOVE to have this trailer park family living in the white house and going on the Springer show once or twice a month.

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All we ask for is a little less stress in the world.

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Off topic………. Looks like there wasnt any there, there. But she had already had her payday thanks to Faux News, um, National Enquirer.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/gore-will-not-be-582118.html

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Remind me again why the WTC attack was about religion and how it became an Islam versus Judaism matter.

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Perhaps some Christians are getting overly stressed out as a result of their fears. Join us and work with us to produce a less deformed world.

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candide….

Know what that makes us (by your suggestion)?

The United States of Saudi Arabia.

Glad you’d like to see us sink so low.

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Its all about “those people”. Up here in NE Georgia, a company was wanting to build an affordable housing complex for working people which is badly needed. The county commission voted for the company to recieve government grants to help build the project. Once the citizens found out , they protested because of the so-called “traffic” problem it would cause. A “traffic” problem in a county of 24,000 people . It was because of “those people” who make less than 30,000 dollars a year the reason they were protesting.

Did i mention the county does not have zoning? Sounds a lot like this case.

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Christians can not accept the fact we do have freedom of religion in this country. They are wanting to make this country a one religion country like Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran……..

Just a different religion.

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Fear mongering is all it is and y’all are falling for it.

Four pages of it next door at sister Cynthia’s on this same topic.

Geez.

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Organized religions make me a little nervous: especially when believers in a particular religion want to kill Americans in order for theirs to prosper.

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It’s amazing on how loudly and staunchly people defend the Bill of Rights until it contradicts or goes against something they feel strongly about. Another case of intolerance rearing its ugly head. I understand the sensitivities about the area surrounding Ground Zero. However, to curtail a group of American’s Constitutionally granted rights is giving the jihadists exactly what they want. By denying the center to be built there, protesters are siding with the jihadist/extremists that want to do away with the American way of life. Too bad they’re not able to see that.

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If you are so not cool with this Bookman, then let the ragheads build their assembly of terrorists in your neighborhood.

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No synagogues anywhere near the World Trade Center site either then. Fair is fair.

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Oh yeah, can one imagine kookman canvassing his neighborhood, dutifully knocking on each and every door, collecting collecting monies on behalf of the ADL before they made this statement? Such a strong adherent to their principles, I’ll betcha he was. Laid awake at night, ever fearful that some would propagandize against the Jewish people and even take up the cause of Islamic Terrorism against them. Aghast at such a thought he honestly was.

Meanwhile, back on Earth, aahhh, another chance to hate on the Jews, eh?

Giddy up, little racist.

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Step right up and show your tolerance, Aryan Nation volunteer day in downtown Birmingham?

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We categorically reject appeals to bigotry on the basis of religion, and condemn those whose opposition to this proposed Islamic Center is a manifestation of such bigotry.

As so beautifully demonstrated here this morning by our more rabid contributors.

But think had a Christian Center experienced anything remotely close to this backlash! The worst of the worst would be slobbering about anti-Americanism, the degradation of society and the ever-popular, “LOOK AT US! WE’RE BEING PERSECUTED!” card.

This sad but irrefutable characteristic of America’s war-first, war-last, war-always gang (I mean we need a good old fashioned Crusade every couple of centuries, right Mr. Bush?) explains why they get such a small, many times tiny, percentage of the Jewish vote. Usually in the 5 – 15% range.

This fact is as plain as the nose on your face; American Jews deeply distrust you right-wingers and they repudiate your ideology of fake conservatism. Yet you “faithful” continue to act oblivious to this fact, and you will not touch the subject with a 3.084 meter pole.

And in all likelihood they will keep voting *overwhelmingly* against you, in spite of the ADL’s misstep.

Selah.

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I don’t think very many MegaChurches are being built in mecca or medina, y’all, geez, can’t you people reason?

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pops- That hurts the libs more than it does the Cons.

Let the molester rant.

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Whiner obviously thinks that KKK, Nazi, Aryan, etc., are religions. Then again, perhaps they are to him, the devout one.

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“Let the molester rant”

Whine he has never ranted! Besides he’s been cleared of all charges.

Looks like you cons will have to try something new. Perhaps you can pull a Paula Jones out of
your bag of toys.

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Is “The Inquirer a pseudonym for Fox? Seems the cons lost out on Popeye’s post. Their penchant for planting false stories on people who disagree with them as been found out again.

BTW:

Anti-Deformation League

July 31st, 2010
10:04 am

Well said, well said indeed…

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Del

I don’t even think it’s a “fact” as not all the Founding Fathers were Christians. As I said though, that’s a different conversation for a different day.

Saudi Arabia

The country is a monarchy with a legal system based on Islamic law (Shari’a). Islam is the official religion, and the law requires that all citizens be Muslims. The Government does not provide legal protection for freedom of religion, and such protection does not exist in practice. The public practice of non-Muslim religions is prohibited. The Government recognizes the right of non-Muslims to worship in private; however, it does not always respect this right in practice and does not define this right in law.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2005/51609.htm

The United States government, unlike Saudi Arabia, does not sanction an official religion. Therefore, US citizens have the freedom to practice their religion without fear of persecution unlike Saudis who practice any religion other than the official one.

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The Muslims CAN build a mosque. They just can’t build it where or near an anti-American Muslim Terrorist Act occured. It is a matter of sensible zoning. Muslims can’t built a mosque on Times Square or in your backyard either. It’s the wrong place. The ADL realized all facts of that sensible conclusion and said so.

America WAS founded on Christian principles. One Christian principle is the belief that Christ is there for the choosing but not to be forced upon anyone. That is part of the freedom of religion in America. Christians writing a document saying all could choose their religion. They did not say that gave all religions property rights.
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Saying America principles are not based on Christianity or religion is like saying Israel was not founded on Hebrew religious principles.. They too realized freedom must come in all forms no matter who has the strongest influence.

Now all of you who are afraid some one is going to lure you into a church, synagogue or mosque, RELAX. You’ve got the freedom. Nobody is going to drag you kicking and screaming into a religious setting. So don’t mess up the scenery with unnecessary complaints about something that hasn’t happened. It makes you look….well…prejudiced and uninformed.

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For those who keep spouting about Christians not being like Muslims and causing Jihad… let me ask of you: Talk to me about Slavery. The “owning” of other humans… the beating, raping, and even at times murdering of them. Your own religion “condoned it”… I’m a huge fan of Jefferson’s… I recall going to his home in VA and while I was in Awe of the man and all he did (I remember just touching a chair he designed and built with his own hands)… and then I remembered that those same hands of his were at times laid upon “slaves” he “owned”… while still at awe of all he did for this nation (and the very founding of it)… it remains in my head and heart that he owned slaves as well.

After slavery was abolished…(and now going forward to the 1960’s): why did “Church going Christians” still make African Americans get on the back of the bus…drink from different water fountains?… refuse to serve them in their restaurants?… or allow them in their hotels/motels? Why did they still beat them rape them and at times kill them?

So for those who speak about Jihad loving Muslims… tell me about “slavery loving christians” as well… because when looking back at history…it was not that long ago. Those who talk about Muslims still “stoning” people… well how about White Christians who owned people and beat the piss out of them for not obeying their orders? Or raping the women slaves they “owned”… yup… they were true “christians” alright.

I’ll ask you a question: Did any of them make it to your “heaven”??? Did Jefferson go to “your” heaven? Even though he owned slaves and had sex with them?

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Greatest lesson learned from the dark ages to the renaissance, “separation of church and state”, uniquely american and 100% correct – don’t mess with success.

Speaking of the middle ages or even 100 years ago, something we take for granted, thank god for modern dentistry. I think that I can be pretty tough and have a high tolerance for pain but a throbbing toothache leaves me begging for mercy..

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A $7,000,000 yacht (A) leaves RI on Tuesday, heading SSE at 22 nautical miles an hour, heading for the Bahamas. A private jet (B) leaves NC on Saturday morning, at 325 MPH heading SE, on a line intersecting yacht A moored in a marina in Freeport, the Bahamas. Now, figuring in the appropiate time zones, what time will John be serving martinis, and how many happy endings will Al have that weekend?

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Oh I forgot to add: were those the “christian principles” our nation was founded upon? Because Del said @ 9:30am: “he far-left doesn’t like to acknowledge that fact because it pains them deeply but this Republic was founded on Christian/Judeo principals and the evidence of that exits almost anywhere you go in the United States .”

Del… were those slaves part of the Christian/Judeo principles you speak of?

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Dusty

If there’s a law stating that one can not build near an anti-American Muslim Terrorist Act, then that’s ok. If there’s no law, and the zoning commision approved the request almost unanimously, then it’s more emotional appeal than anything. I know there’s major emotions tied up in this whole debate, but what is getting lost is the fact that people are ready to trample on the 1st Amendment in the process.

One minute, we’re a nation of laws and the illegal immigrants got to go. The next minute, we’re denying Americans rights granted under the Constitution. Most people don’t see the fact that they are contradicting themselves.

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I believe the exact opposite; that our country was avoiding religious principles altogether. The constitution is mind numbingly secular – hence its brilliance, not only politically but theocratically.

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“I am not a REP, I am an Independent, I vote for people not parties.”

Not that I usually reply to your rants… but let me ask BB… tell me the last Dem you voted for…tell me the last person you voted for that did not have a “R” behind their name… go ahead and name the “people” you’ve voted for in the past 10 years without an “R” on their ticket.

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Southern Comfort, I have said that over and over. That the USA is not a Christian country. It is a religiously free one. Saudi Arabia, like England and Italy, have an official State religion. However, western countries with an official religion do allow others the freedom to practice their own (otherwise there would be no Baptist churches in London).

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Dusty: “America WAS founded on Christian principles.”

Principles like owning, beating and raping slaves… because it was those same CHRISTIANS who “owned, beat, and raped” those slaves”…

Dusty…did those “founders” with “Christian principles” get a “pass” from your god and get into heaven?

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Saul….Dusty reminds me of Sarah Palin. Way out of her league. Even when it’s as simple as blogging….Care to refudiate (sic) as Sarah says Dusty?

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Basic human decency dictates building a Mosque on the site of an atrocious attack done purely in the name of Islam, so of course the liberals come down on the side of the murderers and women stoners.

So typical.

Go spit on someone else’s grave, heathens.

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dictates not, pardon me.

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Bruno- The New Testament establishes Christianity, the Old Testament does not.

Spineless and clueless, what a combo.

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“Bruno- You wouldn’t know Conservatism if you fell over it, you spineless wonder.”

Conservatism = following the Constitution.

And if you consider your daily ration of hateful comments to be an example of how a good Christian should behave, then you are even more f-cked up then I’m giving you credit for. As I keep saying, you are a liberal’s dream. You discredit the conservative movement more than any of them could do in their wildest dreams.

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Saul, calm down and do what you usually do.

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Dusty,
Do you agree with this?

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0528/radio-host-hopes-nyc-mosque-blown/

“Right-wing radio host ‘hopes’ NYC mosque gets blown up

The US’s largest Muslim advocacy group has filed a complaint with the FCC over what it says is a Houston radio talk show host who “advocated bombing a proposed New York City mosque.”

In a statement released Thursday, the Council on American-Islamic Relations said Michael Berry of KPRC 950 AM “made a call to violence” when he said he hoped someone would blow up the mosque being proposed for a location in lower Manhattan, near the site of the 9/11 attacks.

During an argument with a caller who supported the mosque’s construction, Berry said, “You can’t build a mosque at the site of 9/11. No you can’t. No you can’t. And I’ll tell you this — if you do build a mosque, I hope somebody blows it up. … I hope the mosque isn’t built, and if it is, I hope it’s blown up, and I mean that.”

“AND I MEAN THAT”…

And about those “slaves” and those who founded our nation being “Christians” and all…feel free whenever you’re ready to answer that too….

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As I keep saying, you are a liberal’s dream.

Not this liberal’s dream.

That would be Jessica Alba. Just sayin’.

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Let’s see if I get this right…
We are founded on principles against religious persecution and and founded on the principle of religious freedom…but that’s only if it’s Christian/Judeo based…got it…

The truest statement here so far is SoCo’s when he said America was founded on the Masonic principle of an acknowledgement of a “Higher Power” that is over us all, but no recognition of a certain religion…hence, religious freedom. All you Theocrats out there are just going to have to keep baiting…

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In the news this A.M. Al Gore will not be charged in this latest assault case. ANOTHER happy ending for Al !

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What this site really needs is a story about that NYC mosque. Once we det that story finally reported here there’s a somewhat controversial former governor of Alaska you might want to look into.

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Bada Bing,

Have a guarana. That wakes up the body.

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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/nyers_wage_jihad_vs_wtc_mosque_UgJiOBYEhrSOw4Q6hpvbQL

Normal

It was the Community board that voted that way. I don’t know if that’s their version of a zoning commission or not.

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I will agree with obama that we are a nation of mongrels. Sofia Vergara, Halle Berry, Salma Hayek……call me and let the mongrelizing begin !!

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BB…still blowing off the question…. (okay attack as you will)… Mr. “Independent” votes only for those with an “R”…I mean if he/she actually votes at all…

Bruno: “Conservatism = following the Constitution.”

Damn…I missed that part in the dictionary! Thanks!

WOW did that ever open up a HUGE hole… (perhaps the SAME hole Conservative created recently that nearly sunk our ship)….

Conservatism following our Constitution: Start a war (maybe two)…lower taxes while doing so and not have a plan in place to pay for those wars)… yup… I recall reading that in our Constitution… it was right under where I read that Christians founded our nation and get to “profit” by owning, raping and beating the piss out of slaves….

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“Since you seem to be a little ignorant of how the OT and NT together form a unified document, Reporter, I’ve found a link which explains it a little more clearly to you:”

let me ask…just WHO was it that wrote both of those? Humans? Too bad they never profited from it….oops! Their “church” and it’s cults leaders did (and continue to do so)…

NT… yup… simply more “human penned” scribbles made to fix the “mistakes” in the first human penned scribble….

If that’s not true…PLEASE tell me the author/authors of the NT.

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“Conservatism following our Constitution: Start a war (maybe two)…lower taxes while doing so and not have a plan in place to pay for those wars)… yup… I recall reading that in our Constitution…”

Saul–In case you missed it, the Constitution does in fact allow for the declaration of war and for the raising and lowering of taxes. Nothing un-Constitutional about either of those items. BTW, in case you forgot, your Democratic brothers and sisters in Congress overwhelmingly approved of the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. The Democrats also overwhelmingly voted on favor of the Patriot Act–twice in fact–which I believe is clearly un-Constitutional.

Try again.

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Bruno and many others are correct.

This irrational attitude towards all Muslims is clear evidence of broad-brushed bigotry. These few indict ALL or virtually all Muslims as being murderous thugs. And even in their less hateful moments, they indict them by proxy for not standing up enough against the homicides and misanthropes and ostensibly covertly supporting the terror.

This is the very epitome of stereotypical, stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from theirs. And the very anti-thesis of the teachings of Jesus.

And as has been noted, in some ways the cons have already lost to the enemy. As they try to become more and more and more like their torturing, deadly cousins in Abraham. And occasionally let out Freudian slips as more evidence.

Secondly, they oftentimes really do have little use for the sanctity of the United States Constitution and the Rule of Law.

An Inconvenient Truth…

And Saul, you ore obviously correct. In their shamelessness to runaway (as fast as their chicken legs will carry them) from the horrific Bush legacy that they fervently supported every step of the way, the new conservatives (HA!) are becoming Tea Floggers and Independents by the droves.

Yet very strangely their ideology has not changed one iota. They are just REAL conservatives who sagely understand that they got decimated in 2006 and 2008 because they weren’t conservative enough!

Good times…

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“NT… yup… simply more “human penned” scribbles made to fix the “mistakes” in the first human penned scribble….”

Saul–show me once where I have ever said that the Bible was anything other than a group of books written by men. You’re losing credibility fast by putting words in my mouth that I never said based upon your prejudices of the factual/moral outlook of conservatives.

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Saul,

Even though the so called founding fathers last tread this earth hundreds of years ago, I give them more credibility with the Constitution than I would the countless authors of the Bible.

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AmVet,

Well stated.

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Jim Jones killed his own people in the name of his faith in the Jonestown Massacre. Germany was a Christian nation during the years of the Nazis. Do we condemn Christianity? Since multiple wives are against our laws and some Mormans practice it, do we condemn all Mormans? Maybe we should not allow any Morman tabernacles to be built anywhere in the US.

Same for the attack on the World Trade Center. Just because they claimed they did this in defense of their faith doesn’t mean they did. There are millions of Muslims who would never do what the terrorists did. There are many Mormans who do not practice polygamy.

How are we going to get over this wound if we insist on institutionalizing the (mis)perception that the Muslim faith is at fault.

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“Do you support SB1070? The Constitution doesn’t.”

eyes–I have to challenge you on that assertion. It appears that the key provisions of the law are well-supported by both the Constitution and case law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_SB_1070

From the link:

“The U.S. and Arizona supreme courts have held that race may be considered in enforcing immigration law. In United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, the U.S. Supreme Court found: “The likelihood that any given person of Mexican ancestry is an alien is high enough to make Mexican appearance a relevant factor.”[102] The Arizona Supreme Court agrees that “enforcement of immigration laws often involves a relevant consideration of ethnic factors.”[103] Both decisions say that race alone, however, is an insufficient basis to stop or arrest.”

and

“In Gonzales v. City of Peoria (9th Cir. 1983),[164] the Court held that the Immigration and Naturalization Act precludes local enforcement of the Act’s civil provisions but does not preclude local enforcement of the Act’s criminal provisions. The U.S. Attorney General may enter into a written agreement with a state or local government agency, under which that agency’s employees perform the function of an immigration officer in relation to the investigation, apprehension, or detention of aliens in the United States;[165] however, such an agreement is not required for the agency’s employees to perform those functions.[166]”

Of course, the above rulings may be overturned based upon new interpretations.

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Saul Good

July 31st, 2010
12:07 pm

Saul,
I think you are beating that one to death. Blaming Christians for that today is a wrong as blaming women today because Eve ate the Apple (BTW, is a naked woman offered me me an apple…damn right, I’d eat it. So blame Adam too).

Slavery had been a way of life for centuries at that time and the perspective of life versus chattel was skewed. This is the basis of race prejudice. You always made slaves of the defeated survivors of your enemy. Even in the South, slavery was an economic problem and at the time slaves were property and that was upheld by the Dred Scot Supreme Court ruling.

Not saying that slavery was right but just saying it was the way it was back then and the attitudes of the day was the same too…even in church.

It doesn’t matter today. there is no slavery here anymore (not counting the company store mentality of today’s corporations… )

There is a great story about R. E. Lee right after the war. He was at his Episcopal church one Sunday waiting to get communion. A black man went up to the alter to receive the “blood and the body”. He was ignored. Bobby Lee went up and knelt beside him, making the Rector acknowledge the black man. Don’t really know if it’s true, but I’d like it to be…

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Dusty…thanks for replying to what I actually ASKED… (so I’ll rephrase it and make it simpler for you): If this nation was founded upon CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES… It would mean the CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES allow for SLAVERY (along with the beatings, rapings, and killing of slaves).

Not in the 1800’s…but when our nation was FOUNDED.

So I ask…did Jefferson and Washington go to hell for having slaves?

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“But who or what determined what the “word of God” is?”

Do we include the GREEK gods as well? I mean… which ones?

KnowwhatI’msaying?

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“The New Testament gives us the new beginning of love and forgiveness. Christ came to die for our sins, as a ransom to give us sinners a chance at eternal life. Granted we all still sin but we can wake up each morning knowing that Christ came in great love just for us.”

Dusty–I am in full support of loving and forgiving, but I don’t need a “dusty” document to give me permission to do so or to show me how to do it. If the Bible provides the ultimate guide for you to live a better life, then I am in full support of that. Just don’t claim any sort of exclusivity on it.

Having said that, if you are going to declare yourself an adherent to the Bible/Christianity, then you have to accept the document as a whole. The passages I quoted above regarding the death penalty for what we today would consider minor offenses still stand today according to the Bible. If you personally decide to pick and choose which of the Laws to follow, then you need to be cautious in declaring yourself a Christian.

In my personal experience, the most loving group of folks I have met are all of the Bahai faith.

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“But who or what determined what the “word of God” is?”

That would be the Council of Nicaea, eyes.

Gotta run, guys. As a small twist of faith, one of my Muslim friends is coming over to my house in a few minutes.

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“The GOP voted 97.5% FOR the invasion. (Only 7 out of 263 voted no.) Only the mafia can command that kind of obedience.”

Am–saw your correction on the invasion vote.

BTW, do you have any stats on the % of Dems who have voted along with Pelosi and Reed on health care reform, banking reform, etc. The mafia apparently accepts members of both political parties.

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Wet: “And from these new religions came the creation myth of Adam and Eve and the tale of the loss of Paradise.”

Yups…history tells us that… no need to fear what you wrote… it’s the TRUTH. Some people HATE the truth…it goes against all they were brainwashed with… they simply can’t separate “fact” from “fiction” when presented with it… well at least when it has to do with their own human penned “version” of the story of our histories “gods”….

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There is a great story about R. E. Lee right after the war. He was at his Episcopal church one Sunday waiting to get communion. A black man went up to the alter to receive the “blood and the body”. He was ignored. Bobby Lee went up and knelt beside him, making the Rector acknowledge the black man. Don’t really know if it’s true, but I’d like it to be…

That story is true.

just go look at the Chicken “factories” in Gainesville, GA

And before they were able to hire illegals to work in chicken plants, they treated their white and black workers the same way. The fact that the owners are of one religion or another has nothing to do with it.

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“And before they were able to hire illegals to work in chicken plants, they treated their white and black workers the same way. The fact that the owners are of one religion or another has nothing to do with it.”

Actually…it has EVERYTHING to do with it… it’s WHITE CHRISTIANS who treat other “humans” like crap.

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Normal, here’s one of my favorite hymns:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk41Gbjljfo

Did you make disease and the diamond blue
Did you make man kind after we made you?

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Thank you Normal@12:53pm… YUP!

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Actually, I like this hymn (an actual hymn) a lot more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtZUM0JhLvc

(a lot more hopeful than that barrelfull of cynicism from XTC.)

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Back for a minute, guys–The Muslim appointment was delayed.

Hillbilly Deluxe–Glad to see you on board. For what it’s worth, I believe you out of all the JB bloggers have displayed the true spirit of Christianity during my tenure here. Of course, I’m not really sure if my endorsement is one you would seek out, me being the rabble-rousing heathen that I am. On the other end of the spectrum I place Reporter for his constant put-downs of anyone who doesn’t share his narrow, hypocritical view of the world.

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wet wiccam,

Interesting read. I came upon an old college paper I wrote back in the day. The title was something like the “Two Mary Dichotomy” in which I juxtaposed the so called mother of God with Mary of Magdalen. For centuries have both revered and disdained women. But I think that if God were a woman, she would have given that certain time of the month to men, not women.

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Well, Saul,

I can’t tell you who went to heaven or hell. Us Christians have the faith and that is what sustains us. But for me to judge in all certainty who goes where, I will have to leave that up to God. OK??

Dear Bruno Blogger,,

I’m sorry if my ID “Dusty” offends you. All you have to do is skip over my posts.. You see, I’m liable to express my opinion and that gets you all upset. Enjoy the Bahai group. That might be the answer for which you seek. So long….

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eyes – But I think that if God were a woman, she would have given that certain time of the month to men, not women.

LOL True dat!!

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eyes – But I think that if God were a woman, she would have given that certain time of the month to men, not women.

LOL True dat!!

Hold on you two..who says MEN don’t have to deal with that as well!
I mean SOME of us don’t care…yet SOME think it’s a sin! UGH!

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“At the very dawn of religion, God was a woman.”

wet wiccan–Thanks for the informative passage above. I have made a fairy strong effort to study ancient religions, and yes, most Biblical stories have an antecedent.

Per your “God is a woman” statement, a lot of modern Christians don’t realize that in the original Biblical texts, many, many names were given to God, e.g. El, Elohim, and Jehovah. In particular, El-shaddai translates as “many-breasted one’, which suggests a feminine connotation. Unfortunately, all of the English versions of the original texts translate all of these magnificent names into either “God” or “Lord”.

Which is why I’m always somewhat put-off by self-identified Christians who think they know a lot about the Bible. Just my ego talking here, but I believe I’ve put more research into understanding the Bible than 80-90% of the fakers.

P.S. If I get struck down by lightning in the next ten minutes, I probably deserved it for my arrogance.

Love to all…….Later gators.

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Jay, you conveniently omitted the ADL is really the JEWISH Anit-Defamation League. For years, they have waged war against the Christian principals on which this country was founded. No surprise that they are going after the Muslims now.

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“I’m sorry if my ID “Dusty” offends you. All you have to do is skip over my posts.. You see, I’m liable to express my opinion and that gets you all upset.”

Not a bit, Dusty. I enjoy reading your posts and value your opinion. If I throw the you-know-what back at you, it doesn’t mean that I don’t like you or what you have to say. Ultimately, I love everyone, because I firmly believe that we are all in the same boat, so to speak. I apologize if I have implied otherwise.

Talk to you later.

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Lee said: “Christian principals on which this country was founded.”

ah….so maybe LEE here will answer the questions I seek an answer for!

Lee?

Was it OKAY that those “Christian Principles” that “founded” our nation (which you mentioned) allowed for Slaves? That Washington and Jefferson owned slaves? That they beat (or had others do it for them with their knowledge) and had sex with them?

Tell me about those “christian principles” on which this country was founded….

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B, the HCR vote;

The bill passed in a 219-212 vote after more than a year of bitter partisan debate. *ALL* 178 Republicans opposed it, along with 34 Democrats.

Banking reform:

US House

Dems – 289 for, 27 against (91%)
GOP – 3 for, 213 against (99%) And if not for Snowe, Collins and Brown it would be 100%

Bruno, you know that I do not give the Dems a free pass for being Republican-lites whatsoever.

It is just that they usually have about 10% that have the courage to stand up their “leadership”, while for the GOP the number is almost always closer to 1%.

A subtle difference to be sure, but certainly noteworthy…

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Bruno- The idiot liberals/ Islamic wannabes brought Christ the adulterous woman and asked if they could stone her to death, which was the law according to the Old Testament. Christ replied “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” The idiot liberals/ Islamic wannabes scurried away, leaving the woman, Mary, with Jesus.

1) Check it out dude, Christ was born of the flesh for the pure reason that the Old Testament law was faulty. No other reason. Never mind all of that, what is a heathen like you lecturing one of God’s children about religion anyway?

Is this like one of those deals where a moron Muslim, thinking they are smart, wants to build a mosque on the site of an Islamic atrocity?

If you want to lecture us, stick to simple things you know, like diaper filling and such.

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Though some of them don’t like to remember this quote, it is one of the more compelling that describes many in the Republican right wing, “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.” ~Chairman Ann Coulter, Sept. 13, 2001

BTW, isn’t that self-appointed moniker very reminiscent of a certain sociopolitical structure that aims for a classless and stateless society with the communal ownership of property?

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Bush is an idiot. Not only did he wrought obozo on us, he impugns the Holy Spirit. Worshipping allah will get you a front row seat in hell, not to the Almighty.

Beware of false prophets, no?

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I love how the liberal pundits have made the cause of this mosque such a priority.

As usual, they are focused on culture war issues that are irrelevant to all but those who might live there. Both Jay and Cyndi Tucker have written on this subject that has nothing to do with Atlanta is the slightest.

Fire the AJC pundits and replace them with reporters who know or care about the local community. I can get petty comments from liberals about this irrelevant story from any number of sources. How about the AJC actually catering to its local audience instead of continuing its ideological jihad?

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Why are Tucker and Bookman advocates for a mosque built near ground zero. No one is preventing mosques in general. Will they be as extravagantly passionate when a Christian group wants to build a church?
Or is there something else going on?

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Jay:

Cynthia’s thread has just about run this dry (you two really do need to coordinate) but I will add one more thing:

Islam’s “religious” part is just a beard for the rest ……… economic, societal, educational, legal, political and military. It is the “front” for world domination by force. Therefore it IS DIFFERENT from other “relgions” because it is DANGEROUS to democracy and freedom wherever it spreads.

Would you condone a KKK or Nazi Museum so easliy in Manhattan or anywhere else ?

They also used “religion” as a front! The KKK used (false) Chrisitanity and the Nazi’s were all into the Nordic gods (Thor, etc.) and some even (false) Christianity. Does that make them “religions” to be respected?

Many people in the KKK and the Nazi Party (along with many Westernized Muslims) were/are there becaue they were duped, pressured, fearful not to join, brainwashed, or born under that umbrella. Many of those people were/are “good” people (i.e., Senator Byrd) but we would NEVER condone their organizations.

Islam is not just a religion ……….. it is an organization with diabolical ideology.

Many posters will no doubt disagree with me but I will not be silent. I know who the main enemy of world peace is and it must be stopped in its tracks.

I will continue to do my small part.

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Whiner,
It was NOT a Muslim atrocity. It was an Anti American Quasi Religious atrocity. Dude you are so blind.

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Jay:

You are correct …………. it’s worse because it’s larger and more brutal.

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Oh, come on, Jay.

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Do you ever read material that does not fit your ideology?

cue Scout’s “I read ‘Dreams from my Father’ and it’s soooo skeeery and it proves that mulatto Commie wants to enslave me!” bit he’s posted sixty thousand times.

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stands for decibels :

You need to keep better informed. It’s not mulatto anymore ………. he changed it to “mongrel” just this week.

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getalife :

P.S. Do you think you know more about the danger or non-danger of Islam than the federal prosecutor in the first World Trade Center case who can’t even tell us about the classified information he knows about ?

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Out for awhile …………….

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Scout, it’s a bit of a drive, but I found a “church” right up your alley!

(CNN) — In protest of what it calls a religion “of the devil,” a nondenominational church in Gainesville, Florida, plans to host an “International Burn a Quran Day” on the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks.

Jones wrote a book titled “Islam is of the Devil,” and the church sells coffee mugs and shirts featuring the phrase.

You must be very proud…

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And Joe Biden said that Iraq is a success that George Bush and Obama both share. I think Joe was one of the Dem’s who voted against the Iraq war. Democrats sure are predictable in their hypocrisy since they were taken over by the far-left.

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Saul,

Might as well get this founders= owned =slaves bit out the way.

Slaves have been around since somebody got tired of prisoners. So they sold them to somebody who needed workers. They were” property.”The Romans had slaves. The Greeks had slaves. The Egyptians had slaves. (Rember how Josef with his coat of many colors was sold to slave traders by his brothers. He became governor of Egypt.) Slaves sold in America were prisoners sold by the tribes that overcame them.in Africa. So who bought slaves in America?

The people that needed workers and had the money to buy them. Did all people have big enterprises that needed workers? NO! The majority did not. Most took care of their own places.

Was it wrong to sell or own slaves. ABSOLUTELY! In less tha one hundred years, this country abolished slavery. Today, there is still slavery in this world but not in America.

Yes, some of our founding fathers were wrong to take economic issues (slaves needed) over the issue of human freedom. Slavery was not uncommon then.

Should we condemn our forefathers for their “siins”? NO. Why? Because we are not perfect ourselves and they are gone. Slavery we condemn for all times..

Saul, if you eat that chicken cleaned by what you call “slave labor”, or buy Chinese low wage products at WalMart,, buy bananas cut & packed at slavery level wages, You too are GUILTY. So hush your fuss….We’ve had enough guilt for today!!!

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Jones wrote a book titled “Islam is of the Devil,” and the church sells coffee mugs and shirts featuring the phrase.

You must be very proud…

Well of course. Think of how hard so many have worked to demonize a billion and a half of our fellow human beings!

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Del

July 31st, 2010
3:05 pm

Whatever Joe said, at least he had the integrity to vote NO on a war that should have never been fought.

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The dummycrats have as much of We The People’s money as they need so-

U.S. Drinking Rate Edges Up Slightly to 15-Year High

Glug, glug, glug obozo!

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This is interesting:

WASHINGTON — The Social Security Administration is about to terminate cash assistance for thousands of indigent refugees who are severely disabled or over the age of 64.

“You will lose your Supplemental Security Income on Oct. 1,” the agency says in letters being mailed to more than 3,800 refugees.

All fled persecution or torture. Many are too old or infirm to work and are not yet eligible to become United States citizens.

The extension of benefits in 2008 had bipartisan support. Indeed, President George W. Bush had asked Congress to extend the deadline, saying that “some individuals have been unable to obtain citizenship within the seven-year time limit.”

But no bill has been introduced in either chamber of Congress to help refugees facing the loss of benefits this year.

As a senator, President Obama was co-sponsor of a bill extending refugees’ eligibility for cash assistance, and as a presidential candidate he emphasized his support for it. But the administration has not taken a position this year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/us/01benefits.html

I guess Obama doesn’t want to repeat ALL of Bush’s mistakes, just those that are of greater importance.

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Joe Biden voted against the first Gulf war and in so doing supported Saddam Hussien’s occupation of Kuwait. He voted for the invasion of Iraq and spoke on the Senate floor about the long and short term dangers associated with Saddam’s Iraq. He not long ago commented on the success in Iraq, saying that both GWB and Obama share credit. Integrity? yeah sure.

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Jay,

I’ve not read any of those comments. I would have to review them and if accurate would moderate my views accordingly. However, I still maintain that those who’ve planned this Islamic center, have done so with little appreciation for the feelings of those who lost loved ones and for their fellow Americans who share their grief and who remain appalled at that horrific 9-11 attack in the name of Islam.

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“Check it out dude, Christ was born of the flesh for the pure reason that the Old Testament law was faulty.”

Reporter–If OT law was “faulty” and Jesus’s purpose on earth was to overturn said law, then how do you interpret the following passages from the NT:

Matthew 5:17-20: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 7:7-12: What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead. 9 I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. 10 The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. 11 For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. 12 So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

“If you want to lecture us, stick to simple things you know, like diaper filling and such.”

The bottom line is that your “personal” beliefs are in direct contradiction to the very book you claim they are based upon. If you don’t really believe the Bible, then quit saying you do.

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“Christ replied “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” The idiot liberals/ Islamic wannabes scurried away, leaving the woman, Mary, with Jesus.”

In light of all of the stone-throwing you do here on the JB blog on a daily basis, can we assume then that you are without sin, Reporter? Just curious…..

BTW, if being a sinner precludes us from enforcing the law, then exactly who is qualified to enforce it? In my lifetime, I haven’t met anyone who was sin-free.

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“…have done so with little appreciation for the feelings of those who lost loved ones and for their fellow Americans who share their grief and who remain appalled at that horrific 9-11 attack in the name of Islam.”

Not really sure how that can be quantified, but I understand the point.

Yet, it pales in comparison to *true* evil as spoken by one the greatest darlings of America’s right wing/lunatic fringe:

These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by grief-arazzies. I have never seen people enjoying their husbands’ death so much.” ~Chairman Ann Coulter

An absolutely despicable woman that is absolutely adored by several of the the right wing bloggers here…

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josef:

The left doesn’t want to be like the French and Swiss? Then why do they want to model our government after theirs?

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Our Constitution isn’t based on feelings? Then why does Obama choose to seat empathetic justices?

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“An absolutely despicable woman that is absolutely adored by several of the the right wing bloggers here…”

Brother Am–I consider myself to be a hard-core conservative insofar as I support a strict reading of our Constitution, including the parts I don’t particularly agree with. In spite of believing that Obama is likely the worst/most dangerous President we have had in my lifetime, I acknowledge that he won the election fair and square and would not support any illegal method of getting him out of office.

Having said that, I also find Ann Coulter to be a cowardly, despicable woman who does not speak for me in any way, shape or fashion.

P.S. Out of curiosity, why do you think that some of the other self-described “right-wingers” here can’t accept my blog friendship with you. It seems they feel the need to tell me on a regular basis what a horrible person you are and warn me not to have anything to do with you. Any theories?

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Our Constitution isn’t based on feelings? Then why does Obama choose to seat empathetic justices?

I guess it’s for the same reason that people want the Muslims to be empathetic towards building their cultural center.

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On Anne Colter

I remember quite a few years back, when Anne was just getting started on the talking head circuit. She was in competition with several others to be the “female conservative”. At that time, most of the things she said were along the lines of what the others were saying. Somewhere along the way, she discovered that the “nasty persona” would separate her from the pack. (I’d seen the same thing happen locally with Neal Boortz, in the late 70’s). So she adopted the act and rose up the ladder. I believe a lot of what she says, as with others on both sides of the talking head circuit, is largely an act. It’s a cynical act in my view, but an act none the less. So in essence, she sold her soul for 30 pieces of silver, so to speak. So basically, I just choose to ignore her and those like her (which is most of them) on both sides of the political spectrum.

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“I agree with your assessment from a purely Constitutional viewpoint.”

Thanks, SC. That doesn’t make me right, but your endorsement means a lot to me due to your reasoned/common sense responses to the various issues of the day.

“Our Constitution isn’t based on feelings? Then why does Obama choose to seat empathetic justices?”

Obama is free to endorse whatever judges he wants, based on any crazy or invalid reason he chooses. However, his choices still must go through the same acceptance process that every other judge before them did. He is not free to circumvent the Constitutional process. The Constitution is extremely clear in the matter of religion–all are to be treated the same in the eyes of the law, and the free expression of any given religion is not to be restricted for any reason, particularly not for any reason of personal preference. I’m not sure why this seems to be such a hard concept to grasp and why the dangers of NOT adhering to this policy aren’t more apparent to the Islam-haters on board here.

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Scout- Are you still ritually slaughtering goats and such, as the Old Testament commands, or is Bruno a moonbat?

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It would have been so much better had I said:

…don’t try to sell me the boob.

DANG! I hate to miss good opportunities.

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Ah ritual sacrifice..those were the days…

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Bruno, I agree 100%..consistent is my middle name….

yet I bet if i actually did open an all pork deli/24/7 porn theater next to said mosque, bookman would not be so …emotional..about my rights to do so under our constitution, if the mohammedons complained… methinks.

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Bruno

If that sandwich was beef, you’re ok. If it was pulled pork, I’d step lightly

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No oil to be found from the weakest environmental “disaster” ever, but the dummycrats are busy creating some damages for it-

It would hit energy producers with a new $2-per-barrel tax to buy land for national parks, forests and wildlife refuges.

I wonder if the dimwits realize who gets to pay this $2 a barrel tax? Are they truly stupid enough to think oil producers will pay it, er, um, yeah, I guess they are, nevermind…

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“Scout- Are you still ritually slaughtering goats and such, as the Old Testament commands, or is Bruno a moonbat?”

Reporter–Although Christians like to believe that Christ’s sacrifice on the cross supplanted animal sacrifice, there are no direct commandments in the Bible saying that explicitly. I dont have a problem with this modification because I personally believe that killing innocent animals in the name of God is both stupid and cruel. However, I don’t claim to be an adherent to a literal Bible. Do you? If so, then I will assume that you oppose the non-Biblical practices of celebrating Christmas and Easter along with the non-Biblical practice of worshipping on Sunday.

The bottom line, Reporter, is that I don’t give a flying F how you choose to worship whatever Deity you choose to worship. That is your right as an American to choose as you wish. But don’t give me any malarkey about following the Bible in any literal way, because you don’t.

Don’t know if anyone is keeping score here, but I’ve got Bruno: 3, Reporter: 0 so far.

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If that sandwich was beef, you’re ok. If it was pulled pork, I’d step lightly

If it wasn’t pork, it wasn’t really barbeque.

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Bruno,

I never couched it in the context of a constitutional argument. I’ve simply been saying, it’s understandable that people, Gingrich being one to question the source of funding for the project, the projects name “Cordoba”, which is inflammable, it’s location only two blocks away from ground zero as well as the feelings of those who’ve lost loved ones in that horrific act of terrorism committed in the name of Islam. At very least the Muslim planners exercised very little appreciation for the feelings of Americans. In particular those directly effected. I’ve also stated that I have not heard the strong condemnation from the Muslim community of radical Islamic terrorists, I feel we should expect from a peaceful religion. There have been a lot of straw man arguments from those on the left attempting to paint those of us have a different opinion as bigots, hypocrits, bigots, ignoring the constitution etc., only because we disagree with Jay’s critical comments of the ADL.

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“P.S. Out of curiosity, why do you think that some of the other self-described “right-wingers” here can’t accept my blog friendship with you. It seems they feel the need to tell me on a regular basis what a horrible person you are and warn me not to have anything to do with you. Any theories?”

Bruno, it is hard to say. And to your credit, you noticed it almost immediately upon joining us here. Why my views, drive several of them batshiite crazy is a mystery to me. Like I matter? And even stranger still is how, as you noted, my most obsessed stalker likes to “warn people about me”. But part of this dovetails with that fatal flaw of speaking for others. It is childish (by admission) and rather desperate, isn’t it?

I suspect it has something to do with the power that they give my words and by proxy, me. I do not do so in return and there’s the rub.

But in case someone hasn’t noticed, this is an opinion blog. And I’m just another swinging dick with plenty of opinions. Which as we all know, are just like ________. Oftentimes I am vulgar and irreverent and controversial. But that is just my personal shtick.

And there are several right wingers here who have been very civil and reasoned and reasonable with me – you (although I suspect you are really a mealy mouthed RINO/liberal!), Del (Salute!) and Dave R, Scout and Dusty at times. Even NiF and I bridged some gaps one Friday night, which lasted off and on until he blew a fuse recently and was sent to the blogging Land of Nod, east of AJC Eden!

And even Andy and I get along infinitely better than we used to at Luckovich’s. (Oy, the stories!) Yes, we take jabs at each other occasionally but like me, he doesn’t pay them an undue amount of attention.

So the bottom line is, I think your original assessment is correct, “Are most of the right wingers here crazy?”

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Sorry BADA (and SPQR).

Still damn funny.

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But in case someone hasn’t noticed, this is an opinion blog. And I’m just another swinging dick with plenty???? of opinions.

More like a one dick pony, I’d say.

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AmVet
Shoo-ee,,,I was just before telling laissez to put me on his Pesach ham list! I love my NC style pork barbecue.

I’ve got a cousin raised Orthodox who married an Hindu when he was in Sri Lanka…a barbecue at their place is great! Somebody asked her about the beef. She said, “Aw Hindus are like Baptists, they’ll take a bite of Great Aunt Bessie when they think no one’s looking, too!” Somebody asked them about the kids, “oh, we’re raising them Episcopalians…if you gotta pick a country club, then go for the most exclusive…!”

SoCo
That on Anne Coulter…that’s so true. That’s why I get so tickled whenever anybody takes any of the talking heads seriously…entertainers, one and all…that’s why I like Jon Stewart and Colbert so much…they are entertainers, but have a lot more of substance to say about the issues of the day.

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“If it wasn’t pork, it wasn’t really barbeque.”

I’m definitely a barbeque “fundamentalist”–pulled pork only. Even chopped pork doesn’t make it in my book. Beef barbeque is definitely blasphemy.

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Del
In reality that group of Muslims have done a lot…they’re just not getting the press…i count many of them among my colleagues and cuppa coffee, gossip over the back fence neighbors. They’re pretty much in the same spot our Southern and the Northern German Jews were in when that “horde of shtettlites” descended back in the late 19th Century–”they’re ‘ours,’ all right, and we can’t deny them, but L-rd, they’re a lot of trouble and an embarassment!” :

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josef

I think that was HD with the Anne Coulter post. I don’t really give a flying rat’s ass about her. She’s just another in the long line of talkers who try to make themselves more important than they really are. That’s why they get paid so much. Entertainers worthy of their craft of entertaining people should get compensated well. One day people will realize that unless they hold office and are capable of making decisions, they are nothing more than paid entertainment anyway.

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Josef,

I wish you did not sound so liberal. So other Americans should “assimilate first and then Muslims after a couple more hundreds of year have passed? That the French are evil because they too have a problem with illegals and think French citizenship is worth preserving? You failed to mention they are fighting terrorists in North Africa with help from no one. And the Swiss, have you ever heard of historical preservation? Do you think history is worth preserving?

Then the kindly iman who wants us to remember that muslims lost a few people on 9/11. As compared to how many thousands of other Americans? I think the Iman should move his mosque plans with great empathy for the thousands of Americans who still visit the death site of those they loved. They do not need to be reminded nearby of the faith of those who killed their loved ones. Is that hard to understand?

We all want to be fair but being blind with it will surely not enhance this country. We are already in the financial ditch. No need to go all the way.

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josef,

They should demand press coverage and be loud in condemnation of those who would commit acts of terror on innocent people in the name of Allah and Islam. I don’t hear them and until such time as they really step forward many, myself included will continue to doubt their sincerity. The onus is on them to remove that doubt. Well it’s time to get steaks ready for the grill along with a cold beer. Bought some Blue Moon a Belgian beer. Pretty good.

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“Aahhh, Bruno runs his victory lap totally void of the knowledge that he is the one taking the Bible literally, not me.”

Then, can I assume that you don’t believe in an afterlife? Maybe just my take on things, but getting that ticket punched for the afterlife seems to be the main motivation for most church-goers that I meet. Being a kind, loving, non-judgmental person seems to be a little further down the list.

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“I would apologize, but there’s a compliment to you both in getting y’all mixed up!”

Easy to do, josef, since they look so much alike.

Have a great evening, all.

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AmVet, etc…

Have you not heard? Coulter is passe’. As far as I know, she is never mentioned anywhere I go. Just here at grand liberal headquarters with old fogies like AmVet..

Now Palin, that’s a different story. Liberals jumped from Bush to Palin…”A day without Palin is like day without purpose”. Envy is such a pathetic thing to watch.

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getalife @ 2:29 pm

“Scout, Did you know there is a reality show to choose a new leader for a mosque in Malaysia?
It is a hit and a first for Islam. Change.”

………. and I wonder how much security they have to have agains Islamic terrorists to pull that off?

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Jay and Liberals, et al:

Would like your thoughts on this instead of personal attacks against another poster…………..

This is what happens to government in an Islamic country.

Is this what you liberals really want for you great grandchildren ?

1) PAKISTAN

“Article 295 of the Pakistani Penal Code, clearly defines what it considers to be “blasphemy.” According to its provisions, anyone who “by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation or by any imputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly, defiles the name of the Prophet [of Islam] (. . .) shall be punished with death, or imprisonment for life.” In addition, any individual who willfully defiles or desecrates the Qur’an may be imprisoned for life.”

2) IRAQ

“Nothing in this Constitution shall violate the tenets of Islam”

Over 4,000 Americans died to free them and we allowed that in their Constitution. Are we “eat up with the dumbs” or what ?

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josef

It is indeed a compliment.

We all want to be fair but being blind with it will surely not enhance this country.

Isn’t that the meaning behind judging a man by his character instead of the color of his skin? If we force Americans to give up freedoms granted by the Constitution, the jihadist win. It does not matter who’s losing the freedom. If it is the American way of life they despise, what better way to make a statement than to uphold those same American ways for the American Muslim community?

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Josef,

Some of your connections on the Roma seemed to be from the Roma who wished to stay in France even though they were not citizens. Do you think France should have open borders?. Did you not notice that the French were upset because a 78 year old French aid worker was murdered in Mali after being held for months? Give the French a little credit. They care when someone murders their citizens. I am aware that NATO is fighting in the MIddle East but haven’t heard about them in North Africa. If Moussad is helping the French,, I doubt they have announced their output to anybody.. .

As to assimilation..did all those faiths you mentioned who have assimilated in the USA do it with a historical attack on this country? No they did not. That set back muslim assimilation many many years. By the way, if you add all Americans including all 9/11 responders you would have less than 10%. I was basing my thoughts on the number killed in the attack itself, not including the responders.

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OF COURSE, you do not mention her, Dusty! You tolerate her bigotry in quiet acceptance.

If she is so passe why not ask those 9/11 widows if what she said didn’t hurt them terribly? To this day.

Otherwise you would speak out against her evilness rather than giving her a free pass just because she is a fellow Republican.

So feign ignorance as if this was all ancient news, but she is still very much a hateful bigot in the forefront:

March 24th 2010 – Ann Coulter’s tasteless comment came after previously she told a gathering that Muslims shouldn’t be allowed on airplanes and should take “flying carpets.”

Coulter tried to explain away her comments Tuesday as “satire.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/03/24/2010-03-24_ann_coulter_causes_firestorm_by_telling_muslim_to_take_a_camel_as_alternative_to.html

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Scout, am I to infer that you approve of those Christian hatemongers burning the Koran?

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DUSTY
The 300 included both those in the Twin Towers at the time and those who responded…300 in all out of a total of some 3000…10%

And no. he targeted ROMA and made no distinction in his comunique between those Roma of French nationality–many with families in France going back to the 1400s and many whose parents and grandparents were deported by the Vichy authorities to Auschwitz and gassed…

“Muslims” did not attack the United States any more than the Jews killed the Christ! Be reasonable…

And I DO give the French credit…that is the point I am trying to make…their efforts are fundamental to this whole counter…what they are doing elsewhere as a government-in-office is something else…it is Sarkozy and company I am concerned about, not the French nation or the French people..

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Scout

I’m not so quick as everyone else to hit the panic button. The United States is not Europe. What happens in Europe is due to the actions/inactions of Europeans. That has little bearing on the actions of US citizens. We’ve gotten so far away from what this country stands for that I don’t think people take that into account with the actions and positions people have now.

I refuse to allow terrorist to cause me to curtail any American’s rights for anything. Our Constitutionally granted rights is what makes us Americans. If we don’t uphold those rights, we’re no longer America. Like you, I took an oath to defend the Constitution against enemies both foreign and domestic. I consider anyone who actively pursues to deny any American their rights as a domestic enemy. Would you not consider the same?

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Priceless:

You could always use a stethoscope on yourself and skip the typing.

I’m not among your friends who wanna come in here day after day to argue the tenets of of Christianity. I find it ironic, that those on the left wanna tell Christians how we should improve upon our religion, but have little to no advice for the followers of Islam.

I’ve got Muslim friends who claim Islam as their faith, but don’t practice. Many leftists here count themselves among the Christian faith but aren’t practicing their faith. Then there are Christians here who do practice in attendance, bringing positive results to not only our lives but the lives of others. You’re free to talk about it or act upon it…I really don’t care.

josef:

liberals here on the blog have been among the strongest supporters of banning the burqa, have been strangely silent on the Swiss ban of the minaret and have had nothing to say about Sarkozy and company’s recent actions…

I have found among leftists, that to be far removed from the realities, is the place, in which they derive their comfort. I also noticed that none of them acknowledge Bush’s compassion and Obama’s lack of compassion for the refugees mentioned in my 3:46. Probably because it means more for them.

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…and I like to add…

I’d need more fingers and toes to count the number of times leftists have said we’d all be better off without ANY religions, but now…and only now do they take the side of one over the other.

First they’re out then they’re in. I guess it all depends on their cause du jour.

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at 6:26

You make an interesting point. Remember, I do make a distinction between liberal and progressive. Liberals do tend to view “issues” in the abstract, and it is why I take a liberal stance. The progressives, and their conservative counterparts, are, for lack of a better word, missionaries who have decided that they now have all the answers in concrete terms and that’s that…convert or die and be d*mned.

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“You and the ADL can go ahead and surrender if you wish. The rest of us will fight for what is right”

AMEN!

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Well, me and my buddy Jim Earl and my other buddy Joe Bill talked about all this and come with a idea. Why don’t the Holiness churches get together and just take the property off of the Towelheads Muslims hands. They can build anywhere they want to, maybe in Alaska or the Arizona desert if it’s close to Sheriff Joe.

We need a good Christian church near the World Trade Center. If the Holiness churches don’t have the money, I reckon the Baptists would do.

Anyway, it’s just a idea to try and solve the problem in a Christian way.

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eyes
Yes I do believe we can Americanize a faith…the Reformed Movement of the late 1700s and early 1800s is just such an example. There is a good reason it began when and where it did. Roman Catholics, more tied to a central authority, have long learned to “say one thing and do another” in their moves to modernize their ways of doing things, that is the understanding that the theological doctrine and the laws of the state are not always going to be one and the same in a pluralistic society.

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The camel and the flying carpet!! Hey, that’s pretty good. The student should have laughed.

There’s your sign.

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Jay

I’m nobody important. I just believe that if we give in to the fear of terrorism, we’re done as America. I refuse to see my country destroyed by a foreign enemy or from within. When we make decisions based on fears, they’re usually not the best decisions. I think this is one example of people making a decision based on fears and assumptions.

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Saul:

I’ll start with the Civil Rights movements….

Indeed a victory, but you leftists refuse to acknowledge it.

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SoCo… that’s the very reason why Sting refused to cancel his show on 9-11…to do so would have let the terrorists “win”… that’s what they wanted…that’s what terrorism is all about: Fear and making people submit because of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odgbgXSdOu4

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I just believe that if we give in to the fear of terrorism, we’re done as America.

Too late, SoCo. We’ve already given in. You can’t even go to an airport gate without being practically strip-searched. Would-be passengers have their toiletries removed before they can board planes. We can no longer cross and re-cross the Mexican and Canadian borders without having a form of a federal ID card. Travel to countries that once required no passport other than an ordinary drivers license as a form of ID is now restricted.

Let’s not kid ourselves, SoCo. Your job now is largely a result of our development of a terror of terror. We’ve allowed the terrorists to win. We now act like children worried about who’s under the bed or in the nearby closet. This entire hysteria about the building of a mosque near Ground Zero is evidence of our terror of terror.

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Dusty

I can’t go into the specifics, but as far as immigration laws, no American is subject to them when they come thru my area. If they can prove themself to be a bona fide American, I don’t look at them any differently regardless to how they dress or present themself.

Now, if you want to talk about targeting terrorists, I wouldn’t suspect a person as you describe because, if you haven’t noticed, the people who have been aprehended don’t present themselves that way. Any person intent on doing criminal actions try to blend in with their surroundings as much as possible as not to give themselves away.

If you worked with the people I do, you wouldn’t have any worries. I know I don’t.

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SoCo
What you say is so true. I send the anti-Bush ites into a snit when they take a pot shot at President Bush telling us to go shopping after 9/11. Well, in my estimation, he was right. For us to go cowering into fear was exactly what the terrorist were after. We did as he suggested…we took the kids to a movie at the mall, bought ice cream and went shopping. We were joined by our fellow citizens and I can never forget the looks we gave each other, a strange sort of smile and a recogntion that, yes, we were scared as sh*t but, d*mmit, we would not give up our way of life. It was, in a small but I believe significant way, an act of resistance…

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If you’re all so proud of how you carried on in the face of terror attacks, why so much criticism of Bush’s “go shopping” comment. He was telling everyone to go on with their lives, but still….

left-wingers just could resist the need to ridicule.

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@@ it’s not over yet… not until bigotry is erased. Who is it defending gays and trying to help them obtain the same rights as all others have? I mean who is it that’s speaking up for the civil rights of Muslims? Peaceful ones who want to practice their religion as freely as you do.

Yeah I may be one of the BIGGEST organized religion bashers on here. Yet I don’t call for closing down all churches…making everyone who practices a religion denounce their faith and become an atheist. Do I state my views loudly and passionately? You betcha’! I might call out the hypocrisy I see in many organized religions…both with those running them and those following their leaders… yet I’ve never said that they all need to be abolished. Taxed? Sure… if they’re not operating as a 501c non profit…and reaping profit in the name of the “lord” or whomever… then it’s all “business” to me… yet feel free to search my quotes/posts and find the ones where I call for all churches to be shut down and all followers of Christianity to follow my own beliefs. So…I’ll state it again…here in our nation we’re all afforded the “right” to practice whatever religion we choose… it’s one of the things our nation was founded upon and why many have come here to our shores…from before we were a nation up until today and beyond. People have the right to practice whatever religion floats their boat…to give as much of their hard earned cash as they want to that religion… to plaster their religion all over our airwaves… yet here’s the grand finale: No ONE religion is any more important compared to any other religion in these United States…No religion gets MORE “rights” afforded to them under our Constitution over any other. Your religion is no more “important” to our nation then any other. To think any other way hints of bigotry.

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Disgusted

I think there is a difference in protecting the citizens and giving in to fear. I don’t think there’s a 100% effective way to prevent against any attempted terrorist act without some type of security. If we decided to not better secure air travel or the borders, we’re only inviting repeat attacks. You’re talking about a group that will keep picking at a vulnerability until they are able to exploit it.

I don’t think we’ve given in to terror yet. If we get to the point of having security checkpoints to travel into the city or enter the mall, then we’ve given up.

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SAUL

“I might call out the hypocracy I see in organized religions…”

But not the hypocracy you might see in yourself? You want to be treated with respect, but you all to often don’t extend that respect…

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Saul:

@@ it’s not over yet… not until bigotry is erased.

Are you kidding me? Are you looking to launch an effort in mind control??!!??

Let me know how it works out.

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josef…i will freely accept anyone bashing my views on organized religion… all are welcome to do so.. in fact many do… that’s to be understood. Yet I speak of MY beliefs and how I feel about organized religion. It’s a freedom I’m afforded here in our nation…just like those who “believe” are afforded their own beliefs and views.

Should I be “silenced” because of my opinions and views? Should Jay or the AJC simply moderate me whenever I state my own personal beliefs and opinions about religion? It’s their right to do so if they wish… yet if they ban “my” free speech…. who’s next?

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The Wal-Mart too. All armed.

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@@…I’m not a “leader” in a so called movement… yet I find myself often being one who “supports” the “rights” of the underdogs who are being denied their rights. I’ve been that way a long time and probably always will be. I mean.. do I need to be “religious” myself in order to support religious freedom? Should I divorce my wife and become gay in order to support gay marriage? I certainly don’t have to become gay, or a Muslim, etc. to support their choice to marry or worship as they wish.

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I believe that the student asked Coulter is she came on a Flyng Carpet. Fantasy? Coulter merely replid in the same vein” And you on a camel!”

Dusty,

No, it did not happen like that. I saw the video. The female student in Canada was aware that Ann Coulter had previously proposed that all muslims be banned from air travel. Coulter sarcastically underscored her idea by saying that if muslims did not like it that they should try using a flying carpet. The Canadian Muslim student asked of Coulter, “Ms. Coulter, since I do not have a flying carpet, how would your suggest that I travel?” To which Coulter responded, “Well, I don’t know. Why don’t you try a camel?”

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Kamchak,

We have long known your “sign”.. LIBERAL! And no matter what, it never changes.

You throw that at my feet as a pejorative, and I will proudly pick it up and wear it.

You laugh at Coulter’s derisive comment and you still maintain that you’re a Christian?

Pathetic.

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Jay, et al:

1) You are the ones surrendering to a “religion” that is nothing more than a front for a machine that seeks to dominate the world by force under Sharia Law. How blind can you be ………….. but then before our involvement in WWII against the Nazi horror there were hundred of thousands of “German Americans” (mostly in the mid-west) who were VERY opposed to fighting the German nightmare.

So it doesn’t surprise me that so many of you could also be deceived. It goes with the territory.

2) Now, for some of you who are so upset with some church burning the “Koran” I assume you also believe that the burning of the American Flag, or Bush in effigy, or any number of other like protests that take place in this country practically everyday will also lead to the burning of people?

3) And Dusty:

A “domestic enemy” is anyone who would allow a foreign entity whose goal is the detruction of our way of life to even get a foothold here. “And so he bowed.”

4) Until those of you who feel the opposite from me (and millions of others) realize that Islam is NOT JUST A RELIGION you will continue to be duped. None of the other world religions are a threat to our democracy. Islam is.

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Saul:

With all of my charitable endeavors, I’ve been bitten by underdogs.

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eyes
You are honest enough to acknowledge an atavism involved. I can appreciate that. But the bottom line is that you’re not really for equal rights for gays, we’re supposed to take a second class designation. You’ll let us on the bus, we just have to know our place…back of the bus!

Saul
I am not at all for banning your free speech. Everytime the Bruin bans someone here, I protest and that includes when he has banned someone for their scurrilous comments my direction…

I’m not talking about free speech. I’m talking about good manners.

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popeye
Don’t get too carried away…have you ever been attacked by the klan? That’s fear, too…I’m not trying to diminish your experience and don’t get me wrong…but…that’s not the only “real” fear in the world…

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josef,

Do make me get into details. There is a big time unmentionable in my family. And I have seen you mention a “gay union” before. You did not use the word “marriage”. So, would not that, along with all the rights a hetero couple would enjoy, work? I will say this, however, I do support a gay/lesbian’s right to adopt.

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AmVet,

Coulter lives in that parallel reality. She is the living embodiment and proof of string theory physics.

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eyes
When straight folks have go to a Civil Union Bureau for a License of Civil Union in order to be recognized by the state, I’ll go for it…but so long as we’ve got a Marriage License for one group and a Civil Union for another…that ain’t equality!

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AmVet,

Oh, we were talking about a fellow blogger. lol. Well, roger that.

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So, Bush did not say “go on with your lives” or “get back to work” or something similar. He specifically said to go shopping. To be good little consumers. Consumers for the corporations. Good little debtors, living on borrowed money. Bush was a horrible president. He and the GOP led this nation to the brink of disaster as though that was their game plan all along. I think it was and still is. By the way, Cheney is evil.

And what is this about Saul. Saul’s manners are just as good as any other blogger on here. Except mine.

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josef,

OK. I hear you. Well, that which is me is evolving. We’ll see what happens.

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Gotta go. My wife and I are going out.

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eyes, LOL!

As josef notes, there is a special place on the fifth level for Chairman Ann!

Dusty? She just needs to watch Pinocchio a few times!

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@@… Nobody does MORE injustice for vegans and Animal Rights compared to ALF. Second bananas are PETA… While I embrace my own vegan lifestyle…I’ll gladly condemn idiots who resort to violence and property destruction as being a means to get their views/points heard.
It’s like those who bust into a mink farm and let the animals out into the wild… the animals have no idea how to survive in the wild…so as harsh and as cruel as their lives were (and the death coming to them)… the starvation, death, etc they face in the wild is equally as cruel… let alone none of the “factories” they seek to shut ever are. Insurance replaces the animals..so in fact MORE animals die…and insurance rates go up for all business owners.

Like others who seek “change” for their causes… I find the best way to bring about an end to animal cruelty is through the passing of laws that give animals protection. Slow coming…but baby steps have been taken to protect animals over the years. So baby steps it is to continue to seek new and more powerful protections.

As I said before… there are those out there who believe that one day the WHOLE world can become vegan… I WTF are they thinking when they venture outside into the real world? HAve the ever passed the line at a Micky D’s thinking that all of those people will gladly give up meat and dairy? I’m far from being one of THOSE vegans. I simply don’t subscribe to many of the faulty logic and views of many “hardcore” Animal Rights Activists… in many ways they’re blind in their faith just the way some are too deeply blinded in their religious views. Fine when preached to their own choir… yet not so good when others take to “forcing” those views on the general public at large.

Lots and lots in my “industry” (the arts) are vegan… yet most don’t take off their clothes for PETA and blow up/torch factory farms… it’s those who do we all hear about more often. Einstein was a vegan… yet was he KNOWN for that? Nah…but many vegans will try to make you think that THAT was his biggest achievement… nutty is nutty…

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AmVet
And it’s coming time for me to get off here and go to the Third!

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I’ll gladly condemn idiots who resort to violence and property destruction as being a means to get their views/points heard.

How about those who celebrate it?

You do know that many Muslims, not all, celebrated the destruction of the Twin Towers on September 11. There are countless videos of Muslims throughout the world doing just that.

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“WE..being the American people.”

Josef, As always you give me a lesson for thought.

But on that particular day I had taken my copy of “my pet goat” from the bookcase so I could read along with President Bush as he related the story to the children as they stared in awe. At a point in his reading when Andrew Card whispered something in his ear I thought he had stumbled over one of those four letter words, and was trying to help him out.

It wasn’t until much later I realized that a bunch of Saudi Arabians had attacked us, and that we needed to attack Iraq for this misdeed.

But scared….No way!

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It doesn’t hurt my feelings that you choose a lower-case “c” when talking about the Christian faith and an upper-case “M” when talking about the Muslim Faith.

My mistake…they should ALL be lower cased! Darn computer auto spell check is constantly trying to “change” that on me… sometimes it sneaks it through… like most things I misspell…i just keeping typing…take no offense… if left to me…ALL names of religion would always have the lower case letter at their beginning. My “right” to do so…right?

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Hey…a few drinks and I can gladly post what I REALLY believe about stuff!

In vino veritas.

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“In vino veritas.”

Agreed! One of the best “truth serums” ever invented…

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You do know that many Muslims, not all, celebrated the destruction of the Twin Towers on September 11. There are countless videos of Muslims throughout the world doing just that.

Proof that Rush Limbaugh and his ilk have not yet cornered the audio-visual market on hate mongering.

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SoCo:

I’m just methin’ wit’cha about the Kroger security, but we do live in fear of some of our fellow Americans everyday. Not so much me, but others do.

It truly is a shame that kids aren’t free to roam like they used to, knowing that the community will look out for them.

Share a little story with you. My daughter and a friend just took a 4-day road trip on The Bourbon Trail (Kentucky). She called me every night to share her excitement. At one distillery she encounters a group of guys (15-20) on their Harleys all tattooed with long hair. She tells her friend….”We’re gonna drop back and tour with those guys. They look like they’d be fun.” She tells me all this while waiting.

I told her “Why not, they’re probably weekend road warriors…work regular jobs during the week and take road trips just like you when they’re not.”

“I’m gonna get my picture made with ‘em, Mom” she says.

Alrighty din!

I turn on the T.V. and catch a documentary about the One Percenters…the one percent of motorcycle clubs that are of the criminal element. Many have been easily fooled by those guys. They deal in narcotics, prostitution, and have even committed murder. They like to engage young women for the purpose of gang rape.

I immediately call her back to tell her she can go on the tour with ‘em but nowhere else.

Overreaction? Sure, but I’m her mother.

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Jay, et al

Multiple Choice Quiz:

Which of the following “religious” entities in the United States requires untold millionis in taxpayer money and immense NSA, Military Intelligence, CIA, FBI (to name a few) assets to conduct investigations and physical surveillances of places of worship, community service establishments, places of education, etc. via undercover FBI agents, paid informants and sophisticated electronic means:

a) Roman Catholic Church
b) Methodist Church
c) Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons)
d) Church of God
e) Southern Baptist Church
f) Judaism (all forms)
g) Lutheran Church
h) Presbyterian Church
i) Episcopal Church
j) Mennonnite Church
k) Church of the Brethren
l) Nazarene Church
m) 7th Day Adventist Church
n) Quakers
o) Church of Christ
p) Islam

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popeye :

What responsibility would you lay at the feet of the North Vietnamese (if any) considering that when the border was still open (before the war ever started) hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese fled south but virtually none fled north (i.e., East & West Berlin and North & South Korea).

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Scout ..What does that matter?

Vietnam was nothing to us. No threat, no reason to be there, but all of a sudden are presence is inserted first as so-called advisors, then a little escalation here, a big lie there, and all of a sudden
B-52’s are lining up out of Thailand to drop their payload all over the place.

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It’s not surprising. After all, they were the group that opposed the Carmelite Nuns convent that was at Auschwitz. They also opposed the cross the nuns left behind when they were forced to move back in 1993.

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Kennedy saw Vietnam as an opportunity to cover up his otherwise foreign policy failures. LBJ saw Vietnam as an opportunity to finance his “Great Society” with American Blood. Richard Nixon saw it as his opportunity to get elected.Get over it brothers, because it’s over and now we have to turn our attention to yet another politicians war that has and will kill young Americans in the name of getting elected/reelected. FuxK a bunch of politics, that’s what it gets down to.

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Suprise…suprise….

Del….Now you’re talking common sense. I got over it a long long time ago. However you and Scout
bring up those sh*tty memories every night with your incessant babbling about those good ole days back in the NAM!

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popeye:

“Scout ..What does that matter?”

“No one is free when others are oppressed.” Author Unknown

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I see Jay or no one else has taken the quiz at my 8:19. Figures.

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It’s somewhat impolite to bring up a problem without a solution so here it goes regarding Islamic terrorism.

1) First, two crimes specifically mentioned in the U.S. Constitution are treason and counterfeiting.

2) If one is caught today with counterfeit money in their car, boat, motorcycle, plane, or other conveyance …….. guess what happens? That conveyance now belongs (it is seized) to the U.S. Government. It doesn’t matter if you borrowed the car from your brother-in-law. He is just going to be very, very unhappy with you. I seized many a car in my day and watched them weep.

3) Therefore, any mosque, community center, school, etc. that is found in any way to be harboring violent people, plans, meetings, speech, receipt of funds pertaining thereto, etc., etc. ……….. said property, buildings, bank accounts, etc. should be seized by the U.S. Government in addition to strenuous prosecution for criminal violations involving terrorism. The property is NO LONGER THEIRS !

The also goes for ANY “religious” or other entity advocating violence or the overthrough of the government.

4) Shut down our borders.

5) Continue non-stop 24/7 the “elimination” (by whatever means necessary) of Islamic or other terrorists around the world.

Give no quarter.

Black flag.

6) Scrutinize any immigrant coming to the U.S. legally. Anyone with a “hint” of connection to activity determental to our liberty is excluded …………. end of discussion.

Coming to this country is a privilege ……….. NOT A RIGHT.

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Attention on Deck All Liberals, Attention on Deck All Liberals:

You are hereby commanded to read the below and memorize the last paragraph.

The smoking lamp (but not pot) is lit !

“In the seventh century of the Christian era a wandering Arab, of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combing the powers of transcendent genius with the preternatural energy of a fanatic and the fraudulent spirit of an imposter, proclaimed himself as a messenger from heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth.”

“Adopting, from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God, he connected indissolubly with it the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion.”

“He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war as part of his religion against all the rest of mankind. The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust; to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature.”

“Between these two religions, thus contrasted in the characters, a war of more than twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extincture of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute are encouraged to furnish motives to human action, there never can be peace on earth and good will toward men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him.”

John Quincy Adams, 1830

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Honest, this crowd gets real stuffy at times. Back to the muslim student: She asked a loaded question and she got a loaded reply. SOOOOOO??? Big deal! And liberals still talking about it. They don’t have much excitement in their lives.

AmVet is in real need for sure. He’s still trying to date his early love Tokyo Rose. And Kamchak is still carrying around signs. I hope he gets paid well for carrying those things all the time.

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Make that campaigns…multiple.

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If you can get them to talk, you will find that Muslims who have become extremely Westernized and love freedom as much as we do, are afraid to “come out of the prayer room” so to speak. They fear some of their relatives and other friends ……….. and also they have relatives in Islamic countries who would not be treated well should anyone find out.

It really is an insidious problem.

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@@, Hillbilly D,

I’m pretty sure Reagan challenged Ford for the nomination in 1976 too.

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HillBilly,

Did you have someone in mind to run against Obama? How about Biden? Nawww but his campaign would be fun.

Kerry? He’s got an even bigger ego and gunboat this time, the 7 million dollar yacht.

Pelosi? Crazy enough to try but not if her facelift falls.

Hillary? If first you don’t succeed, try, try again.

Geithner? He’s got the boyish, lotsa hair look. He could stand on the national debt and look bigger.

Rahm? naaaaaaa…. too much eye shadow…

I think you are serious about your history, HillBilly. It is hard for me to get serious about the president. But tell us who you had in mind..

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Never trust a President who wear sandals with bluejeans.

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Teddy’s divine right. I could see Teddy demanding his “due respect”. He never got it from me ’cause he wasn’t doo

it.

(ISH)

If someone were to challenge Obama they’d have to be either farther left for the extremer wingers or right of center for the independents and more moderate dems.

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Correct@@

Someone with a split personality!! There’s always CYNTHIA MCKINNEY…..I know… At least I did not say Blogoyovich…

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Eleven o’clock!!! Good night folks…

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You never heard of Harold Stassen???? Damn, I’m gettin’ old.

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Hillbilly:

You’re not old, you’re wise. I just googled Harold Stassen…saw a picture of him in his military uniform. He looked like pictures of Eisenhower.

Harold Stassen, the perpetual candidate. HEY! that sounds like Obama.

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Naww @@ it’s all that “neat” hair hanging down in Blogo’s bad-lil-boy face. It will getcha every time

G’nite!!

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There was a man locally in Atlanta, who always ran for office like Harold Stassen. His name was Wyman C Lowe. I bet I’m the only person who’s heard of him.

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I’m in the “never heard of Wyman C. Lowe” camp.

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Hillbilly D,

I think we’ve got a budding Wyman C. Lowe in Norcross. It doesn’t seem to matter what the office is as long he gets his name on some signs. Those people probably google themselves every ten minutes so I won’t give his name, but I think it’s been at least five in row now.

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Just googled Wyman C. Lowe. He ran against Andrew Young. It was another one of those instances where everyone predicted whites wouldn’t vote for a black Andrew Young. Whites proved them wrong.

I remember only one thing about Andrew Young…knew it, for a fact, to be true, and I ain’t tellin what it was. Let sleeping dogs lay, I say.

Goodnight.

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Watch it Paulo?

Watch what?

Well whatever it was she was securing for them, she ain’t anymore, ’cause she flipped her wig one too many times.

Goodnight to you too.

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I wonder if he ever got elected in Florida.

Goodnight y’all

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and so he bowed.

funny haha

like a clown!

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Dewey only won on the front page of a Chicago paper.

Iconic photo, that.

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Happened to catch this on CSPAN a little while ago: Sen. Al, who frequently makes me really proud to be an American, speechifyin’ to them dirty-hippie Nutrooters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NDH_tX6ElA

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They’re the Double Dippers — the politicians, economists and analysts who foresee back-to-back recessions.

Their warnings could become self-fulfilling prophecies if they frighten enough people into holding tightly onto their wallets. With consumer spending accounting for two-thirds of economic activity, anything that further rattles consumers can undercut recovery hopes.-Urinal

So who are you going to believe, the white house propaganda rag ajc or the experts?

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“Five days a week, she came into my room at four in the morning, force-fed me breakfast, and proceeded to teach me my English lessons for three hours before I left for school and she went to work,” the president wrote in his memoir, “Dreams from My Father.” -QueenPinko,Urinal

She should have let our little tard sleep, but if she had, then we wouldn’t have this rabid foamingly stupid socialist reawakening the country to the principles that it was founded on and dime store common sense.

So hat’s off to you, little Kenyan woman!

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Build a Baptist church in Mecca, see the love.

Idiots.

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Good Sunday morning, y’all…Monday is just around the corner…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPmbT5XC-q0

Whiner,
I am seriously beginning to believe you have a serios man crush on the President. Come on, ‘fess up. It’s true, isn’t it?

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The unprincipled (or, in some cases, simply ignorant) conservatives of average means who complain the loudest about the current Administration “destroying America” are, ironically, playing an important role in enabling established power bases that precede this, or the previous, or the previous-to-that Administration and their concerted efforts to destroy America’s democratic process.

Reminds me of the guy I met yesterday. His son had been out of work for two years and finally found a job last week, thanks to the intervention of some friends. The guy immediately launched into a tirade against an extension of unemployment benefits for others.

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The stark difference between the reasoned and reasonable and the lunatic fringe is on display this morning.

That observation at 4:09 by stands was very astute. And fits perfectly into the discussion of how our right wing religious nuts who’ve polluted their faith are a greater danger to this land of liberty that any foreign right wing religious nut who has polluted his. And in their unwitting desire to be as like the Islamo-fascist cousins as they can, the Malices in Wonderland, have already succumbed to the extremists. And will never succeed in implementing their quais-theocracy of one religion only in America.

Because as Bookman said last night, the rest of us will fight on.

Hiya Normal!

When I was a teenager, my musical taste had already moved past the Carpenters to the Doors, Jefferson Airplane and other much more counter-culture oriented and sophisticated stuff. But…I obviously still listened to what was on the radio, and that included healthy doses of Richard & Karen.

And I had forgotten what an amazingly beautiful voice she had. And some of their songs were so well done that even the sappiness didn’t overpower them. Thanks that was a great musical way to start a Sunday morn. Thanks!

Another genius of his day…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0TInLOJuUM

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Here is an informative video. It’s a stark assessment of our misguided trade policies from the “other side” i.e. China. It’s 25 min long, so I know you won’t be able to watch it and run and bark with the pack. But save it to your favorites to watch after you’ve finished running and barking.

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Photos like these never cease to amaze me.

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I’ve weighed in on this subject in previous columns by Jay, but not on this one.

First, I think the ADL’s message and intent remains intact, despite what Jay and Cynthia may think.

Second I think that there is no legal nor Constitutional way to keep this Islamic center from locating anywhere near the WTC site. The local authorities were correct in approving the request.

However, I question the motives of the people involved with this venture in trying to locate their center so close to what still remains a gaping wound in the minds of many Americans. Their claim that they want to bring about better understanding is fine as far as it goes, but I think they are looking at this a bit one-sided. They are looking for better understanding for THEIR perspective, yet they seem to care little for understanding how New Yorkers and Americans feel about what happened on 9/11 and about that site. It seems a strange way to try to foster better understanding, at least to me.

I also think that local officials could have worked with this group better and encouraged them to find something a bit farther away than just a couple of blocks from Ground Zero. It doesn’t appear that they made much of an effort to do so, in a politically-correct attempt to not offend anyone associated with the center.

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Dave R.

I think you read too much into their motives, but let’s explore for a minute that this community center might be a recruiting ploy. Negative reaction to the center and edited negative responses could be made to look like a hatred for all things “Islam”. I think it would be better just to let them have their center and watch them. It would seem like a “live and let live” attitude by us and therefore be not much help in recruiting…and perhaps maybe even changing a few minds about us “over there”….It’s something to consider…

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Normal:

…make God an everyday reality in YOUR life or MY life as the case may be.

So what’s this need left-wingers have to reach out and “touch” the One in my life? My PERSONAL relationship is just fine without all the “heartfelt” advice from left-wingers. They can’t touch it, they can’t take it. I sometimes think that’s their problem with it.

Now, no more discussion on MY personal preferences?

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Sorry to offend, that was not my intention. I was just trying to make conversation about your site and one of the things I tried in my search. If you are happy with your belief, far be it from me to try to change you…I wouldn’t try anyway. One’s “religion” is a personal thing, and only that person knows what is best for him/her.

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Dave R.,
What’s that old saying about meeting one half way. It is a case of I’ll wait and see what you do and then I will reciprocate.

And no, I was not suggesting that you thought they were recruiting, I was just using that as a possibility for arguments sake.

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Wrong on every conceivable level:

Reporting from Washington — The prospect of two long-serving African American lawmakers in the House enduring unprecedented public ethics trials seems likely to add to the growing tension between black members of Congress and Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill and in the Obama administration.

Since its 2009 inception, the Office of Congressional Ethics — an independent watchdog set up at the behest of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) — has investigated at least eight members of the black caucus.

Earlier this summer, Rep. Marcia L. Fudge (D- Ohio), a member of the caucus, introduced a resolution that would strip the ethics panel of some of its power and allow House members to keep unflattering reports from public view. The caucus has stood behind Rangel even as other House members have called for his resignation.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-waters-20100801,0,6275435.story

Let the games begin. Just like that….the little black dress no longer looks good on the Democratic Party?

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Scout often likes to say that Islam is more than a religion; a way of life he says. Well, in my experience, Christianity is no different. Judging from what we see here, regardless of the subject matter, religion has a way of permeating virtually every new topic.

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Little black dresses always look good and are always in season unless you try to fill one up with a porker or a Repugnick.

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Since its 2009 inception, the Office of Congressional Ethics…

At least the Dems were willing to create such an office and they are not shying away from fellow Dems. By the way, is that the same office that snagged our local good old boy, Nathan, in a really lucrative Deal.

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I actually am sympathetic to a number of conservative principles but I am very unlikely to support a conservative politician or party because of their broad generalizations and rigid thinking. Everything is either black or white, no gray areas are acknowledged. We repeatedly see post after post that assert that all muslims are essentially terrorists, Israel can do no wrong, all government is bad, all business is good, progressives are all socialists, conservatives are for freedom and liberty (unless THEY think something is immoral), all taxes are bad, all tax cuts are good, all social programs are bad, all poor people are undeserving lazy bums who envy the successful all of whom deserved their wealth, all regulation is bad, public schools are bad, private schools are good, evangelical is good, secular is bad, RINO’s are bad, extreme demagogues of the right are good, it goes on and on. This type of thinking is not only rigid but is also egotistical and self riteous. I think it’s much more likely to get a rational balanced approach to our problems from the left than from the right.

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Normal:

Isn’t the LA Times another Murdoch owned publication?

What difference does that make? It doesn’t alter the fact that members of the black caucus have been singled out. Have they violated ethics? It would appear so, but then so have white reps. When it comes to them (Dodd, Franks, Murtha, Harman) it was hands off. Didn’t go after them with the same enthusiasm.

A document leaked to The Washington Post last week showed that nearly three dozen lawmakers have come under scrutiny this year by either the House ethics committee or the Office of Congressional Ethics, an independent watchdog created in 2008 at the insistence of Pelosi. While the list contained a substantial number of white lawmakers, the ethics committee has not yet launched formal investigative subcommittees with respect to any of them…

Would you prefer Politico’s take?

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29055.html#ixzz0vNOORyqK

I’m out for now.

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“but I am very unlikely to support a conservative politician or party because of their broad generalizations and rigid thinking.”

And yet you broadly generalize conservatives with this very statement . . .

Just sayin’.

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August 1st, 2010
10:33 am

Have a great time at Church. Your’s isn’t this one, is it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K16fG1sDagU

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Cursor down to the bar graph (red and blue) for an insight into just who created all of the debt we now have. Since this graph was originally a lot wider, you may want to save it to your “My Pictures” and view it larger (and for future reference). The grey bar on the far left represents all of the debt incurred by all of the presidents preceeding those represented on this graph. Notice that the $733 bn incurred in Ronald Reagan’s 1st four years completely eclipses this amount. The rest you can figure out for yourselves.

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Soothsayer,
Another factual post! Thanks for the info.

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Republicans were such angels, they did not need an office of ethical reform. Uh huh!

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Republicans pushed through all the borrow and tax cut bills on their own watch in 2001 and 2003. Now they try to blame their bad behavior on others. How unethical! And immoral too.

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Y’all,
Just remember…

Ethical Politician is an oxymoron…

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The key is real personal income. Including government programs it has fallen $500 billion over the past 16 months. In addition real unemployment remains at a high of 22-3/8%. That is U-6 less the birth/death ratio. This terrible dilemma is a first and is surprising in as much as government addition to income has gone past 18% for the first time ever. We expect that part of the reason for both situations is the perpetual drag of free trade, globalization, offshoring and outsourcing, which has continued unabated.

Dave R: That’s why the President has the power of veto.

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Normal: go back and save my 9:09 to your favorites and watch it later. (It’s 25 min long.) There’s trouble in paradise.

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An article from David Stockman, Ronald Reagan’s Director of Management and Budget: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/opinion/01stockman.html?pagewanted=1&ref=general&src=me

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Taxpayer, here are a couple of other handy “conservative” phrases…

Judicial activism.

War on terror.

Moral equivalency.

BHO is a socialist, Marxist, communist, Trotskyite, Leninist, collectivist.

Mission Accomplished.

Use these with a serious look on your face, and you’ll be welcomed into the Pup Tent!

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Yes, exactly!

As I have said all along.