ADL abandons its principles, surrenders its cause
The Anti-Defamation League calls itself “the nation’s premier civil rights/human relations agency,” proclaiming in its mission statement that “its ultimate purpose is to secure justice and fair treatment to all citizens alike and to put an end forever to unjust and unfair discrimination against and ridicule of any sect or body of citizens.”
A group deserving of such a description could never have put out a statement like this:
We regard freedom of religion as a cornerstone of the American democracy, and that freedom must include the right of all Americans – Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and other faiths – to build community centers and houses of worship.
We categorically reject appeals to bigotry on the basis of religion, and condemn those whose opposition to this proposed Islamic Center is a manifestation of such bigotry.
However, there are understandably strong passions and keen sensitivities surrounding the World Trade Center site. We are ever mindful of the tragedy which befell our nation there, the pain we all still feel – and especially the anguish of the families and friends of those who were killed on September 11, 2001.
The controversy which has emerged regarding the building of an Islamic Center at this location is counterproductive to the healing process. Therefore, under these unique circumstances, we believe the City of New York would be better served if an alternative location could be found.
In recommending that a different location be found for the Islamic Center, we are mindful that some legitimate questions have been raised about who is providing the funding to build it, and what connections, if any, its leaders might have with groups whose ideologies stand in contradiction to our shared values. These questions deserve a response, and we hope those backing the project will be transparent and forthcoming. But regardless of how they respond, the issue at stake is a broader one.
Proponents of the Islamic Center may have every right to build at this site, and may even have chosen the site to send a positive message about Islam. The bigotry some have expressed in attacking them is unfair, and wrong. But ultimately this is not a question of rights, but a question of what is right. In our judgment, building an Islamic Center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain – unnecessarily – and that is not right.
Such a statement contradicts everything the ADL has claimed to defend, as those who drafted it know all too well. In one sentence they explain and defend their principles; in the next, they abandon those principles. They condemn bigotry, then surrender to it. It’s a deeply disappointing display of moral cowardice, a surrender to the very forces in human nature that the ADL exists to combat.
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Southern Comfort
August 1st, 2010
3:15 pm
I see we’re still hammering the Islamic panic button with a sledge hammer. If we dance on the Constitution now over fears, who’s gonna be the next group?
Bruno
August 1st, 2010
3:16 pm
Dave R–You may not remember, but I was unnecessarily rude to you a few months ago, coincidentally the last time that this topic was raised. I apologize for that, please forgive.
popeye
August 1st, 2010
3:16 pm
Dave R….I must of missed those. Sorry I’ll try to keep up!
theyeshaveit
August 1st, 2010
3:18 pm
Del said Crazy time we’re living in. Hopefully, America has had enough and we’ll soon be seeing change we can really believe in.
Del,
The times they are a changing. The majority is not liking the fact that (in some states sooner than others) the erstwhile white majority will soon become the minority. That is the change that makes many of you so nervous. But that change is irrevocable. Believe in that.
josef nix
August 1st, 2010
3:20 pm
eyes
I answered the question as posed. What more can I do, eh?
Del…
Not too long ago I was doing some reading on the public sentiments during the massive immigration of the late 19th Century…it was amazing just how much like today those “debates” were, only the targets were Jews (relgion) and Italians (race) and today we see their grandchildren doing the same thing…I daresay two generations from now there’ll be some other groups and the Muslims and Latinois will be right there in the choir…
BADA BING
August 1st, 2010
3:24 pm
popeye, sorry about the one liners being over your head, but I dont’t have any ‘knock knock’ jokes for you.
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
3:24 pm
“Dave R–You may not remember, but I was unnecessarily rude to you a few months ago, coincidentally the last time that this topic was raised. I apologize for that, please forgive.”
Bruno, forgotten and forgiven!
There a but a few on here that don’t even try to keep up with an intellectual discussion when warranted. You are certainly one of those who does try.
Del
August 1st, 2010
3:27 pm
eyes,
I believe in God and this great Republic. As far as skin color’s concerned, I don’t care if you’re black, white green or purple so long as you believe in America, it’s past present and it’s future. If your telling me that the white majority offends you and the change you believe in, is only to see white Americans become a minority, well, you just called yourself a racist, so I won’t have to.
BADA BING
August 1st, 2010
3:27 pm
Popeye, what does you disappearing and Al getting a massage have in common?…………….Happy endings !!!
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
3:31 pm
See, popeye.
I hope you learned your lesson.
Never, ever, tell a comedian he isn’t funny. He just keeps trying to prove you wrong, and makes you his target to boot!
AmVet
August 1st, 2010
3:33 pm
josef, regarding Tevye, some might mistake his listening to both sides carefully and being accommodating as being irresolute.
He had that wonderful knack for seeing the good or correct in people and things.
I think a little sweet Dylan is in order…
The guilty undertaker sighs
The lonesome organ grinder cries
The silver saxophones say I should refuse you
The cracked bells and washed-out horns
Blow into my face with scorn
But it’s not that way
I wasn’t born to lose you
I want you, I want you
I want you so bad
Honey, I want you
Doggone/GA
August 1st, 2010
3:34 pm
“who’s gonna be the next group?”
that’s how I’m seeing it too. Can’t demonize African-American’s anymore, can’t demonize Jews anymore, it’s getting harder and harder to demonize gays…so MUSLIMS it is. The “demon population” du jour. Which speaks, as always, more to the needs to be afraid that infests some people, than it EVER will about Muslims.
BADA BING
August 1st, 2010
3:36 pm
Dave, but you see that I use humor as a weapon, and I don’t attack him or call him dirty names. He is free to attack me, I love a good laugh. I probably have nothing in common with josef, we spar occasionally, but it is good natured and I value his opinion. We just have different styles.
popeye
August 1st, 2010
3:37 pm
Oh funny one, now enlighten me what is funny about this “Her daughter’s wedding and the poll numbers have made this a good year for Hillary”.
And, another thigh slapper. “Scout, I thought that Al getting a massage at the reception to be in very bad taste. I give him a slap in the face with a steel hanky!”
Stop, Bada I’m all a giggle here “I killed all my relatives so I wouldn’t have say uncle to anyone”.
Simply hilarious.. George Carlin has probably turned green from envy from his grave!
oops almost forgot this one “I wonder if Bill had a cigar after the wedding? You know, like the good old days”.
Perhaps you need to start anew with some knock knocks and progress from there. You are certainly not ready for prime time.
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
3:39 pm
“Which speaks, as always, more to the needs to be afraid that infests some people, than it EVER will about Muslims.”
You mean like the needs to be afraid to go it alone without a government to provide a safety net, like you libs have, Doggone?
I say we just keep demonizing the libs! I know, some days it’s akin to kicking a puppy, but sometimes heartless just seems to work for me . . .
Doggone/GA
August 1st, 2010
3:41 pm
“You mean like the needs to be afraid to go it alone without a government to provide a safety net, like you libs have, Doggone?”
Thank you so much for proving my point for me
josef nix
August 1st, 2010
3:41 pm
BADA
@ 3:36
How did I get dragged into this? Did I miss something?
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
3:42 pm
popeye, in the immortal words of Sgt. Hulka in Stripes: – “Lighten up, Francis”.
Hillbilly Deluxe
August 1st, 2010
3:42 pm
who’s gonna be the next group
Who knows? Might be the group that gets to be the designated whippiong boy on this blog, most days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Sz8ZTa1UQ
popeye
August 1st, 2010
3:44 pm
Dave R….Are you now running interferance for the not so funny guy?
BADA BING
August 1st, 2010
3:44 pm
josef, my trip to N Peru is upcoming, and i wanted to tell you about the Chachapoyas, an ancient people in the Andes. They were known as ‘the cloud people’, because they live in the high cloud forests. In the mountains of SA, scientists found a small society of fair skinned, blue eyed people.They have no idea where this group comes from, it is a mystery. I hope to see for myself.
wet wiccan
August 1st, 2010
3:44 pm
Doggone – “who’s gonna be the next group?”
Well, we always have the poor!
BADA BING
August 1st, 2010
3:45 pm
josef, i was complimenting you on your fair nature.
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
3:45 pm
“Thank you so much for proving my point for me”
Fine then, Doggone. Please detail each and every government program that you would be willing to do without (as in eliminate) which provides a safety net. Please feel free to start with TARP, ARRA, Social Security – any at all. But don’t limit yourself to just those.
Doggone/GA
August 1st, 2010
3:47 pm
“Well, we always have the poor!”
Yeah, they’re what you might call the “fallback” group…when all else fails, blame the poor.
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
3:47 pm
No, popeye, I’m just suggesting that life is too short to be grousing about a few harmless one-liners – whether they are funny or not.
josef nix
August 1st, 2010
3:49 pm
BADA
My fair nature…well, then why go to Peru looking for cloud people..?
And not to worry, I take the compliment however undeserved it might be…
Doggone/GA
August 1st, 2010
3:49 pm
“Please detail each and every government program that you would be willing to do without (as in eliminate) which provides a safety net.”
Wet Wiccan – as you can see, “when all else fails, blame the poor”
josef nix
August 1st, 2010
3:50 pm
The next group? The ragpickers…
Southern Comfort
August 1st, 2010
3:50 pm
HD
Nice selection. I’ve been copying my cd collection onto my pc so I can change up my mp3 more often. I don’t have any ARS, but I’ll be adding them to my collection soon. I think I have over 300 hours worth of music on my pc, and I’m not even halfway thru my cd collection.
AmVet
August 1st, 2010
3:51 pm
OK, boys and girls, a fun little jilled up distraction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlfCPc1ZhCQ&feature=related
BADA BING
August 1st, 2010
3:52 pm
popeye, you left out my best one at 11:14 AM on the first page of this blog. It is 4th grade math level that you may enjoy.
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
3:56 pm
Typical Doggone. Drive by comments only. No attempt to provide details or intelligent discussion.
BADA BING
August 1st, 2010
3:58 pm
Carlin would not turn green with envy, he would just be turning green anyway.
Doggone/GA
August 1st, 2010
3:59 pm
“No attempt to provide details or intelligent discussion.”
Awwww…you’re breakin’ my heart. Has it ever occurred to you that I’m just not that “in” to you?
popeye
August 1st, 2010
4:02 pm
“How did I get dragged into this? Did I miss something”?
Josef you’re the go to guy whether you like it or not!
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
4:07 pm
Actually, Doggone, you’re just not into intelligent discussion. Doesn’t matter who the person is that has the temerity to question you.
Priceless
August 1st, 2010
4:10 pm
There are few things uglier than burning books. It can call to mind things like the Nazis staging bonfires of literary and academic books, or Ray Bradbury’s chilling dystopian novel Fahrenheit 451. It is especially inappropriate for a church to host a book-burning. The most infamous moments in the history of ecclesiastical book-burnings were in the 13th and 16th centuries, when church officials condemned the Talmud as heretical and consigned it to the flames.
popeye
August 1st, 2010
4:13 pm
Sorry Bada I only saw your cheap shots at the Clinton family, not gonna go back to something you wrote this morning.
Whatever you think of him on a personal level is your burden….but, he was one hell of a President, and continues to persue the common good. If only the moron you voted for had half the brain, and fortitude that Clinton has….well, things would be a lot better…Notice he has disappeared literally
from the map…Gee I wonder why?
Doggone/GA
August 1st, 2010
4:13 pm
“Doesn’t matter who the person is that has the temerity to question you.”
As I said…you’re just breakin’ my heart
wet wiccan
August 1st, 2010
4:16 pm
Josef – Who (what) are the ragpickers?
AmVet
August 1st, 2010
4:18 pm
Priceless, in this regard, the Floridians are no better than those across the world who burn Bibles.
Personally, I’m glad they can. The First Amendment being worth the “price”.
But this still flips me out a little…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85b3e79yTL8
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
4:22 pm
“Notice he has disappeared literally from the map…Gee I wonder why?”
If you are speaking about George W. Bush, popeye, he is following the time-honored practice of respecting the Presidency by not speaking out against his successor(s) – something both Clinton and Carter didn’t have the class to do.
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
4:23 pm
Can’t disagree with you on that, Priceless.
Priceless
August 1st, 2010
4:24 pm
Muslims also died in the Twin Towers attack — in fact, at least 59 Muslims were murdered by the terrorists on 9-11, a grim tally greater than the number of pseudo-Islamic conspirators behind the attack. Since 9-11, most “Islamic” terrorist attacks have targeted Muslims, such as the recent bombing of the shrine of a Muslim saint in Pakistan.
Oh!
BADA BING
August 1st, 2010
4:26 pm
……popeye………I assume you are talking about W? did you know he is credited with saving 10’s of millions of AIDS patients in Africa? They think he is a saint. And I hold no special feeling for him. Just another politician.
Bruno
August 1st, 2010
4:26 pm
“Which speaks, as always, more to the needs to be afraid that infests some people, than it EVER will about Muslims.”
Maybe it’s a gross oversimplification, but so much of our behavior as humans can be explained in terms of the fact that we humans are “pack animals”. Even in the smallest of groups (2), inevitably a hierarchy develops. While getting my hair cut yesterday, the discussion turned to the behavior of rabbits. I remarked that differently from other animal groups, the females are the dominant ones. The hairdresser quipped “You mean, just like humans.” Being completely outnumbered at the time, I had to meekly agree.
BADA BING
August 1st, 2010
4:33 pm
Popeye…….. they give thanx to W and we Americans who shipped millions of dollars worth of AIDS medicine, and it continues to this day.
popeye
August 1st, 2010
4:35 pm
“popeye………I assume you are talking about W? did you know he is credited with saving 10’s of millions of AIDS patients in Africa? They think he is a saint. And I hold no special feeling for him. Just another politician”
Never said Bush never did anything right…but 90% of the time he was wrong.
Bruno
August 1st, 2010
4:37 pm
“Right up my irreverent alley. And as Bruno so wisely asserted yesterday, the Christian animosity constantly on display here is MUCH more powerful at turning people off from that religion than all of the atheists, etc in the world put together.”
Thanks for the reference, Am, although I think my original charge was directed toward my fellow “conservatives” on board, though your statement contains a lot of truth as well. I know I’ve likely beaten the dead horse beyond recognition, but have one last question for the self-identified Christians on board, e.g. Scout, Dusty, @@, Peadawg, et al.:
Q: What is the ultimate meaning/value of being a Christian?
(1) It is a great guide to living well here on Earth
(2) It answers our deepest questions regarding existence and the meaning of life
(3) It is a conduit to guaranteeing a pleasant afterlife
(4) All or none of the above
(5) Other
While I’m sure that I’ve come across as being critical or anti-Christian to some of you, that’s not my intent. I’m really trying to delve into your psyches to see where you’re coming from. Any responses on your part will be appreciated so that I can put my questions/concerns to rest. Thus far, I think that I’ve established that none of you truly believe in a “literal Bible”.
popeye
August 1st, 2010
4:39 pm
By the way Bada we could have shipped a lot more money to aid AID’s victims if not for the lost
8.5 BILLION in Iraq which went missing under the alert eye of Paul Bremer, Dan Senor, and Paul Wolfawitz…All Bush and Cheney cronies.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 1st, 2010
4:40 pm
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said Sunday that Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) has “the cojones” that President Obama “does not have” to take on illegal immigration.
obozo has them, they’re just ittle bitty, like any sociofascist.
ewwwwwwwwwwwww!
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
4:44 pm
Off to do a brief mow of the front lawn. Like MacArthur, I shall return!
BADA BING
August 1st, 2010
4:44 pm
popeye…WE are saving millions of Africans, some of them are Muslim. Do you think that we are a racist country that hates Muslims?
Bruno
August 1st, 2010
4:44 pm
“obozo has them, they’re just ittle bitty, like any sociofascist.”
And speaking of turning people off, there’s Reporter right on time winning the masses over to his point of view……
popeye
August 1st, 2010
4:48 pm
Bada…”popeye…WE are saving millions of Africans, some of them are Muslim. Do you think that we are a racist country that hates Muslims”?
One can only wonder, after reading several of the posts by your conservative friends I would say definetly.
On the other hand I hold out hope that this is not the case, and cooler, saner heads prevail.
BADA BING
August 1st, 2010
4:51 pm
popeye, every Gov’t agency from local to Federal is missing money and equipment, and no one is accountable. Why just mention the Iraq money?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 1st, 2010
4:54 pm
Ummm, ok, so it sounds like Bruno would be much happier to hear that obozo has a giant johnson, sorry dude, it won’t be comin from me.
ewwwwwwwww!
BADA BING
August 1st, 2010
4:55 pm
popeye….and don’t quit my day job? This is my day job, i am retired (early) and living well due to Capitalism and this great country , the USA !!!
Bruno
August 1st, 2010
4:59 pm
“Ummm, ok, so it sounds like Bruno would be much happier to hear that obozo has a giant johnson, sorry dude, it won’t be comin from me.”
To tell you the truth, Reporter, Obama’s cojones and Johnson don’t really concern me much. But then again, I don’t listen to much AC/DC music either.
GW Bush
August 1st, 2010
5:01 pm
Notice he has disappeared literally
from the map…Gee I wonder why?
Got me a book to write. Well, it’s been written. They tell me we gotta do that “editing” now.
Decision Points. Comin’ out just after the mid-term election.
Heh heh heh.
Hillbilly Deluxe
August 1st, 2010
5:02 pm
Bruno @ 4:37
You didn’t ask me but my answer would be “all of the above”. You did leave out serving God, which is in there as well. That’s my view anyway. And I think all of us fall short in our attempt to walk the walk.
BADA BING
August 1st, 2010
5:08 pm
As for making jokes about Al, Bill, Teddy, John Edwards…..don’t you think that if they kept their pants on, nobody would make jokes. Shouldn’t they respect their wives?
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
5:10 pm
Gawd Almighty it’s hot out there! Glad I have a small front yard and a big mower.
Scout
August 1st, 2010
5:10 pm
To “I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin… ”
I must respectfully disagree with you sir.
Headline: “Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said Sunday that Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) has “the cojones” that President Obama “does not have” to take on illegal immigration.”
Don’t you remember? Jesse Jackson “ripped them off” !
Bruno
August 1st, 2010
5:10 pm
Hey, HD–You were part of the “et al”.
And I did give you and the others the chance to add your own thoughts with choice # (5) Other.
Scout has referenced “serving God” numerous times as well, so I’ll have to give that some thought. In my own, limited ways, I have tried to “serve God” via my service to other humans. Not sure if that’s the same thing, though. Any thoughts?
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
5:15 pm
For what it’s worth, Bruno, I think the ultimate meaning / value about being a Christian is ultimately between you and your God. I don’t think any of us on this earth are capable of making that judgment.
Scout
August 1st, 2010
5:16 pm
Headline Iran: “Jailed hikers should stand trial”
Ah, the wonderful world of Islam.
popeye
August 1st, 2010
5:17 pm
Reporter…..”Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said Sunday that Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) has “the cojones” that President Obama “does not have” to take on illegal immigration”
Did she have that written on her hand when she so intelligently uttered those words.
Besides who but people like you subscribe to anything this ditz has to say?.
Scout
August 1st, 2010
5:21 pm
Headline: “US Moves on Europe Shield against Iran Missiles”
Ah, the wonderful world of Islam.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
August 1st, 2010
5:21 pm
But Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the professed mastermind of the attacks, and four alleged accomplices are still sequestered at Guantanamo without charges. After months of reviews, the Obama administration hasn’t made a decision on whether to seek a military or civilian trial.
Say, I thought gitmo was closed??
Don’t tell me that it was just more blah, blah, blah from obozo.
(Hopefully Bruno enjoyed this message but if not, he can KMA, just sayin…)
Scout
August 1st, 2010
5:22 pm
Headline: “ACLU: Obama Following Bush on Fighting Terror”
Ooops ! Trouble in paradise.
popeye
August 1st, 2010
5:23 pm
“popeye, every Gov’t agency from local to Federal is missing money and equipment, and no one is accountable. Why just mention the Iraq money”?
Maybe because its 8.5 billiion in money trying to prop up a phony Iraqi government…Ya think>
Now tell me which other agencies have lost 8.5 billion dollars. I’ll hang around and wait. Also request documentation.
Del
August 1st, 2010
5:23 pm
Bruno@4:37,
Like Hillbilly, I’d say all of the above. I’m not a Biblical scholar much less a theologian but I do take the Bible literally and believe it to be the errant word of God. I’ve read through the Bible a couple of times and understand that some books and passages like Leviticus for an example are difficult reads, however, you need to understand what God was dealing with in those times. I’ve not been a practicing Christian all of my life, only in the last 18 years. I’m a sinner like all of us and don’t put myself above my fellow man.
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
5:23 pm
“Besides who but people like you subscribe to anything this ditz has to say?.”
Uh, popeye? Right now she’s got a 10 out of 14 record for endorsing winning candidates. Hope & Change? I think he’s 0 for 5 right now. Just sayin’. . .
Doggone/GA
August 1st, 2010
5:25 pm
“TESTIMONY OF MICHAEL FISHER CHIEF UNITED STATES BORDER PATROL” July 22, 2010
“Over the past year, we have significantly strengthened each of the three major elements – manpower, infrastructure, and technology. Currently we have over 20,000 Border Patrol Agents nationwide, more than ever before in the history of the country. As of July 1, 2010, we have constructed nearly all of the fencing that Congress has requested us to build – we have completed 646 miles along the southwest border, with about five miles to be completed this year. We have greatly improved our technological profile, purchasing and deploying 41 mobile surveillance systems (MSSs) to provide added radar and camera coverage along the borders, among other technologies, with plans to purchase additional off-the-shelf technology in FY 2010 and FY 2011. CBP also recently received approval to increase the miles of airspace available for Unmanned Aircraft System (UAS) operations performed by the Office of Air and Marine(OAM) along the southwest border, enabling CBP to deploy UASs from the eastern tip of California extending east across the border into Texas.”
http://homeland.house.gov/SiteDocuments/20100722095750-53880.pdf#page=2
larry
August 1st, 2010
5:25 pm
Wondering something………………………. how many Muslims has been convicted of child molestation?
How many Muslims have had a 5 year affair with a known prostitute and drug dealer , and when the police try to talk to the Baptist preacher about the drug dealer , the Baptist preacher is shot after he tries to kill the police officer.
I guess its a Muslim who has the largest child molestion case in Georgia history right ?
Bruno
August 1st, 2010
5:27 pm
“For what it’s worth, Bruno, I think the ultimate meaning / value about being a Christian is ultimately between you and your God. I don’t think any of us on this earth are capable of making that judgment.”
You may be right on that one, Dave, since we are all small specks in the grand scheme of things. What I’m trying to find out is the individual motivations of the various posters who identify with Christianity. Earlier, Scout seemed to be critical/concerned that Muslims extend their religious faith into arenas that Westerners typically don’t, such as common law, foreign policy, etc. From my perspective, many Christians do advocate a greater role for their religion than the law allows. Mike Huckabee, for example, stated that our Constitution needs to get in line with God’s Laws during the last Presidential election. I give him credit for being sincere in his beliefs, but am not sure if that statement was appropriate and whether it helped him or hurt him politically.
larry
August 1st, 2010
5:27 pm
Ahhh, the wonderful world of Christianity .
Hillbilly Deluxe
August 1st, 2010
5:28 pm
In my own, limited ways, I have tried to “serve God” via my service to other humans.
That may well be part of your way of serving but it isn’t for me to say what another person’s way of serving should be. That’s between that person and God. I think we have different roles we are supposed to play, in our service. Yours and mine might be the same, similar, or quite different. I’m not a predestinationist in the classic sense but I do believe each of us has a pre-determined purpose for being here. We have free will, so it’s up to us to find that purpose and work to fulfill it. No matter how well or how poorly we do at achieving that, we will fall short because we are human. That’s why we need Christ, in my opinion. Those are my thoughts.
Doggone/GA
August 1st, 2010
5:28 pm
“believe it to be the errant word of God”
I do not think that word (errant) means what you think it means”
errant: “deviating from the regular or proper course; erring; straying.”
popeye
August 1st, 2010
5:32 pm
Uh, Dave I believe those are republican primaries….Let’s see how her record is when the pedal meets the medal.
Bruno
August 1st, 2010
5:34 pm
“and believe it to be the errant word of God.”
LOL–I’m sure you meant the un – errant word of God, Del. I got yuor message, though.
“I’m a sinner like all of us and don’t put myself above my fellow man.”
Obviously, I’m no judge of anyone else’s heart, Del, but when you say it that way it strikes a good chord with me.
“(Hopefully Bruno enjoyed this message but if not, he can KMA, just sayin…)”
Meanwhile, Reporter has moved from judging the size of cojones and johnsons to ass-kissing instructions. He’s gonna run out of body parts soon.
Doggone/GA
August 1st, 2010
5:36 pm
“un – errant”
or “unerring”
Bruno
August 1st, 2010
5:36 pm
“Ahhh, the wonderful world of Christianity .”
Jump in any time, larry. What does being a Christian mean to you?
Del
August 1st, 2010
5:38 pm
Doggone,
Thank you, I meant inerrant.
popeye
August 1st, 2010
5:39 pm
Too much BS from all you believers this afternoon…This atheist is checking out!
Doggone/GA
August 1st, 2010
5:40 pm
“inerrant.”
Yep, that’ll work. I was sure you wouldn’t want your statement to meant the OPPOSITE of what you were trying to say!
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
5:41 pm
“Mike Huckabee, for example, stated that our Constitution needs to get in line with God’s Laws during the last Presidential election. I give him credit for being sincere in his beliefs, but am not sure if that statement was appropriate and whether it helped him or hurt him politically.”
Bruno, agreed. I, too, question those that wish to work their specific religious beliefs into our laws. I think Huckabee’s reliance on faith, when discussing government, will ultimately keep him from ever gaining the trust of a diverse group of voters.
Which brings me to another point. Why do so many Christians wear their faith as a badge of honor? Not that it isn’t, mind you, but I have given over 140 double donations of platelets in the past 6 1/2 years and helped save about 300 lives, but you don’t see me bringing that up in every conversation I have, nor do I try to get more people to donate as I do.
I realize there is a lot of joy in the Christian faith, but not everyone wants to share in that joy. Or belief.
Dave R.
August 1st, 2010
5:42 pm
“Uh, Dave I believe those are republican primaries….Let’s see how her record is when the pedal meets the medal.”
Oh, well, in THAT case, Hope & Change is only 0 for 1 then.
AmVet
August 1st, 2010
5:42 pm
Ex-presidents? One of the great stories is GHWB and Billy Boy working WITH each other for the tsunami survivors and after Katrina.
And for all you fellow Georgians and Jimmuh loathers out there, turn on How weather changed the World. it’s about the sandstorm that doomed operation Eagle Claw.” (Spin it how you must.)
Hillbilly, the Braves come out on the short end of it, but you gotta love a 2 – 1 game. And that wonderful ARS just never gets old, does it? My adopted home town.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs5v1lNt0Vc
BADA BING
August 1st, 2010
5:47 pm
Dave R your donation is it’s own reward. Kudos !!!
Jackie
August 1st, 2010
5:50 pm
A bit of information concerning the purported benefits of maintaining/extending the Bush tax cuts.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/30/AR2010073002671.html?hpid=topnews
Doggone/GA
August 1st, 2010
5:51 pm
“Why do so many Christians wear their faith as a badge of honor?”
I have my own opinion on this, which isn’t going to be popular…maybe, but I think there are too many people (not just Christians) who don’t truly take the trouble to UNDERSTAND *why* they should believe in their own religion. I think too many people carry the burden of being taught to believe because they were taught they would be punished if they didn’t.
So they don’t believe because they understandy why they should. They believe because they are afraid NOT to believe.
Bruno
August 1st, 2010
6:01 pm
“I think Huckabee’s reliance on faith, when discussing government, will ultimately keep him from ever gaining the trust of a diverse group of voters.”
Just my opinion, but I think GWB did an excellent job of representing his faith while being very careful not to step on the toes of anyone who chose a different path. I doubt if any of the Libs on board will agree, but I think he is a good guy, fairly humble at heart, and a straight shooter. Obama? I don’t doubt that his “intentions” may be good, but I trust neither his judgment or honesty. I view him as a slick Chicago politician who really doesn’t understand the fundamentals of the business world. I don’t see the economy improving until we get new leadership in both Congress and the WH.
AmVet
August 1st, 2010
6:03 pm
Doggone/GA, at 5:51, just like Yankee fans!
I love the Yanks but any serious NYY fan has suffered through some serious and long droughts (like virtually all of the 80s and the first half of the 90s).
Lots of johnny-come-latelys and fair winded fowl who wouldn’t know Ron Guidry from Ron Blomberg.
And I know it’s my hangup, but if you wear a red or green or yellow or pink Yankee cap, you deserve whatever mayhem befalls you.
BTW, arguably the greatest put down in baseball history was when the Braves eliminated (and embarrassed) the Mets one season and Chipper told their fans, “Now you can go home and be Yankee fans.”
Deliciously evil!
theyeshaveit
August 1st, 2010
6:05 pm
As for making jokes about Al, Bill, Teddy, John Edwards…..don’t you think that if they kept their pants on, nobody would make jokes. Shouldn’t they respect their wives?
“Even the president must some day stand naked.” ~~ Bob Dylan
Bruno
August 1st, 2010
6:06 pm
“No matter how well or how poorly we do at achieving that, we will fall short because we are human. That’s why we need Christ, in my opinion.”
There may be something to what you say, HD. I know that the basis for most “12-step” programs is that we’re too weak as humans to do it on our own.
Del
August 1st, 2010
6:06 pm
Doggone,
You make a great point that many believe but don’t take the time or trouble to truly understand why they believe. Understanding the basis for ones belief is essential, otherwise it is meaningless. I grew up in a home that believed, however, it wasn’t the priority, so, while I considered myself a believer, I really didn’t understand why and therefore didn’t really practice what I professed to believe in. I went into the military and had Methodist stamped on my dog tags but that’s as far as it went for several years of my life.
AmVet
August 1st, 2010
6:09 pm
Hey Doggone/GA, I’ve been meaning to ask you about your nom de blogue.
None of beeswax, but it crossed my mind when I recently bought a Marvin Gaye compilation and this, of course, was on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5NBkw2c3EU