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		<title>By: Wyle E. Coyotes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wyle E. Coyotes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How old is the earth?  Lets just say billions of years.  How many years do the graphs cover?  Do the math - the US deficit look flat line if you only look back six months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How old is the earth?  Lets just say billions of years.  How many years do the graphs cover?  Do the math &#8211; the US deficit look flat line if you only look back six months.</p>
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		<title>By: » Warming to the science of global warming - Energy Collective (blog)</title>
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		<dc:creator>» Warming to the science of global warming - Energy Collective (blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] US Government Report SaysNational GeographicThe Associated Press&#160;-The Guardian&#160;-Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog)all 566 news [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Warming to the science of global warming &#8211; Energy Collective (blog) : doing-it-green.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warming to the science of global warming &#8211; Energy Collective (blog) : doing-it-green.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] US Government Report SaysNational GeographicThe Associated Press&#160;-The Guardian&#160;-Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog)all 566 news [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 18:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it ironic that we are supposed to believe &quot;The past is the key to the present&quot;. Millions of years of gradualism in earth history. But then drop everything because the temperature of the earth raised less than 1 degree last century. Which is it? Millions of years of eveolution or rapid cataclysmic changes? The gov&#039;t lies and the science behind global warming or climate change or whatever new label you want to give it is gov&#039;t paid. I wouldn&#039;t even care so much, except that the legislative solution to all of this involves world regulation and a 500 year regression in the progress of man. Silly me, I like to drive and read by light bulb. I like a warm house in the winter and a cool house in the summer. I like all these things as inexpensively as I can get them. I appologize to no one. I have a 12oo sq ft home and Mr Gore has several beach from mansions. If he&#039;s so worried why does he live on the beaches he says are going to get wiped out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it ironic that we are supposed to believe &#8220;The past is the key to the present&#8221;. Millions of years of gradualism in earth history. But then drop everything because the temperature of the earth raised less than 1 degree last century. Which is it? Millions of years of eveolution or rapid cataclysmic changes? The gov&#8217;t lies and the science behind global warming or climate change or whatever new label you want to give it is gov&#8217;t paid. I wouldn&#8217;t even care so much, except that the legislative solution to all of this involves world regulation and a 500 year regression in the progress of man. Silly me, I like to drive and read by light bulb. I like a warm house in the winter and a cool house in the summer. I like all these things as inexpensively as I can get them. I appologize to no one. I have a 12oo sq ft home and Mr Gore has several beach from mansions. If he&#8217;s so worried why does he live on the beaches he says are going to get wiped out?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The climate long term is warming- this decade is likely to double the warmth of the 2000&#039;s. Tipping points will be reached or passed. We will reach 400ppm CO2 by mid decade- and at least 410 by 2020.

The decade as it passes will see increasingly erratic weather- which will begin to play more havoc on the economy and human interaction &amp; stability.

By late in this decade -perhaps the increasing odd and chaotic weather- will prompt the Media to do its job and inform the public of the significant risks we face. Government may soon follow suit.

We may in ten years have the frame work to reduce CO2 by decent amounts by 2025- but by then it will be difficult to see global temperatures rise just 2 degrees C this century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The climate long term is warming- this decade is likely to double the warmth of the 2000&#8217;s. Tipping points will be reached or passed. We will reach 400ppm CO2 by mid decade- and at least 410 by 2020.</p>
<p>The decade as it passes will see increasingly erratic weather- which will begin to play more havoc on the economy and human interaction &amp; stability.</p>
<p>By late in this decade -perhaps the increasing odd and chaotic weather- will prompt the Media to do its job and inform the public of the significant risks we face. Government may soon follow suit.</p>
<p>We may in ten years have the frame work to reduce CO2 by decent amounts by 2025- but by then it will be difficult to see global temperatures rise just 2 degrees C this century.</p>
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		<title>By: JacobLocke</title>
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		<dc:creator>JacobLocke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, the major problem with the climate change argument is the insistence of those involved that CO2 is the enemy. It is not. The absorption spectrum for CO2 suggests that CO2 is incapable of doing what everyone says it&#039;s doing - namely, changing the climate (basic logarithms show that this is the case). The CO2 discussion has everyone focused on industrialized nations who emit high levels of CO2 (which is actually a necessary gas for plant life). 

The real culprit is methane and other organic gasses, most of which are produced in the third world and non-industrialized nations. These gasses are 20x worse than anything CO2 could do. Nitrogen is another issue that, for whatever reason, the mainstream media on climate change is not discussing. CO2 is a red herring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, the major problem with the climate change argument is the insistence of those involved that CO2 is the enemy. It is not. The absorption spectrum for CO2 suggests that CO2 is incapable of doing what everyone says it&#8217;s doing &#8211; namely, changing the climate (basic logarithms show that this is the case). The CO2 discussion has everyone focused on industrialized nations who emit high levels of CO2 (which is actually a necessary gas for plant life). </p>
<p>The real culprit is methane and other organic gasses, most of which are produced in the third world and non-industrialized nations. These gasses are 20x worse than anything CO2 could do. Nitrogen is another issue that, for whatever reason, the mainstream media on climate change is not discussing. CO2 is a red herring.</p>
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		<title>By: co2hound</title>
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		<dc:creator>co2hound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it just keeps getting worse!

Global Warming has caused the ocean surface waters to warm which makes them less dense. They don&#039;t mix as well with the lower, cooler layers. So what? Well it just so happens that little plants grouped together with the name Phytoplankton are the base of the oceanic food chain. That is, everything: eats Phytoplankton, or eats something that eats Phytoplankton, or.... well you get the picture. If Phytoplankton are reduced in numbers then everything else in the food chain above them must be reduced in numbers by starvation. 

We have lost 40% of our Phytoplankton since 1950 and currently the loss is 1% a year (source Nature). Seems the food they eat is located in the lower cool areas of the oceans but that food is not being delivered in great enough quantities to support a healthy biomass of Phytoplankton near the surface. 

So what happens now? We have enough CO2 in the atmosphere to easily heat the planet another degree C even if we stop emitting CO2 completely right now. We are at about 0.7 degrees C over baseline and it is creating a loss of 1% a year in Phytoplankton. At 1.7 degrees C over baseline we will be killing Phytoplankton at 2 or even 3% or maybe more a year.

So why am I concerned about these little plants you need a microscope to see?

Without them the oceans will die ... or more correctly the oceans will be inhabited with life we can&#039;t use as a food source and which may even be toxic to us. And further, the oceans may give off gases that are toxic to us. Those ocean cruises in sealed vessels will be a real treat. &quot;Please put on your life jacket and don&#039;t forget your oxygen mask and hazmat suit!!&quot;

In short, if they go .... we go.

For those interested take a look via Google at various mass deaths of sea creatures where, upon examination, it was determined that they died of starvation. Keep an eye on it for the next few years. These kinds of deaths will spike when the Phytoplankton reach critical levels in various parts of the world. 

Google &quot;penguins falklands death starvation&quot; and you get some idea of the problem as it appears today off the south-east coast of South America.

&quot;No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend&#039;s or of thine own were. Any man&#039;s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee...&quot; 

The bell is now tolling for Mankind&#039;s death.

Absolutely incredible it has come to this ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it just keeps getting worse!</p>
<p>Global Warming has caused the ocean surface waters to warm which makes them less dense. They don&#8217;t mix as well with the lower, cooler layers. So what? Well it just so happens that little plants grouped together with the name Phytoplankton are the base of the oceanic food chain. That is, everything: eats Phytoplankton, or eats something that eats Phytoplankton, or&#8230;. well you get the picture. If Phytoplankton are reduced in numbers then everything else in the food chain above them must be reduced in numbers by starvation. </p>
<p>We have lost 40% of our Phytoplankton since 1950 and currently the loss is 1% a year (source Nature). Seems the food they eat is located in the lower cool areas of the oceans but that food is not being delivered in great enough quantities to support a healthy biomass of Phytoplankton near the surface. </p>
<p>So what happens now? We have enough CO2 in the atmosphere to easily heat the planet another degree C even if we stop emitting CO2 completely right now. We are at about 0.7 degrees C over baseline and it is creating a loss of 1% a year in Phytoplankton. At 1.7 degrees C over baseline we will be killing Phytoplankton at 2 or even 3% or maybe more a year.</p>
<p>So why am I concerned about these little plants you need a microscope to see?</p>
<p>Without them the oceans will die &#8230; or more correctly the oceans will be inhabited with life we can&#8217;t use as a food source and which may even be toxic to us. And further, the oceans may give off gases that are toxic to us. Those ocean cruises in sealed vessels will be a real treat. &#8220;Please put on your life jacket and don&#8217;t forget your oxygen mask and hazmat suit!!&#8221;</p>
<p>In short, if they go &#8230;. we go.</p>
<p>For those interested take a look via Google at various mass deaths of sea creatures where, upon examination, it was determined that they died of starvation. Keep an eye on it for the next few years. These kinds of deaths will spike when the Phytoplankton reach critical levels in various parts of the world. </p>
<p>Google &#8220;penguins falklands death starvation&#8221; and you get some idea of the problem as it appears today off the south-east coast of South America.</p>
<p>&#8220;No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend&#8217;s or of thine own were. Any man&#8217;s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>The bell is now tolling for Mankind&#8217;s death.</p>
<p>Absolutely incredible it has come to this &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brianna Munson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brianna Munson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global warming isn’t the only thing that is causing this rapid decline in sea life. The sky high levels of plastic and garbage in the ocean, in particular, the North Pacific Gyre, are greatly endangering our marine wildlife. Ocean Voyage Institute (a nonprofit) will going to be going out to clean up all of this trash, however, they need your help! Please check out www.dreamsailraffle.com or post their website on your faccebook page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global warming isn’t the only thing that is causing this rapid decline in sea life. The sky high levels of plastic and garbage in the ocean, in particular, the North Pacific Gyre, are greatly endangering our marine wildlife. Ocean Voyage Institute (a nonprofit) will going to be going out to clean up all of this trash, however, they need your help! Please check out <a href="http://www.dreamsailraffle.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.dreamsailraffle.com</a> or post their website on your faccebook page.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 20:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The media distorts the balance of scientific evidence and the public&#039;s perception of global warming.

See: http://renegadeconservatoryguy.co.uk/global-warming-the-debate/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media distorts the balance of scientific evidence and the public&#8217;s perception of global warming.</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://renegadeconservatoryguy.co.uk/global-warming-the-debate/" rel="nofollow">http://renegadeconservatoryguy.co.uk/global-warming-the-debate/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 01:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry but your graphs show me that you have no credibility.  Look at the scales used for your graphs.  The ocean has risen two whole inches and the temperature has gone up about a degree in the last century. They are misleading and uninformed people who don&#039;t look beyond the lines going up will believe there has been a drastic temperature change.  

And even if we are causing global warming, from everything I have read, there is not much we can do about it.  Do you think China and India are going to suddenly adopt more expensive green technologies now that their economies are starting to grow? From everything I have read, most of the &quot;damage&quot; has already be done. 

I really don&#039;t get what people who keep screaming &quot;We&#039;re causing global warming! We&#039;re causing global warming!&quot; are trying to accomplish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but your graphs show me that you have no credibility.  Look at the scales used for your graphs.  The ocean has risen two whole inches and the temperature has gone up about a degree in the last century. They are misleading and uninformed people who don&#8217;t look beyond the lines going up will believe there has been a drastic temperature change.  </p>
<p>And even if we are causing global warming, from everything I have read, there is not much we can do about it.  Do you think China and India are going to suddenly adopt more expensive green technologies now that their economies are starting to grow? From everything I have read, most of the &#8220;damage&#8221; has already be done. </p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t get what people who keep screaming &#8220;We&#8217;re causing global warming! We&#8217;re causing global warming!&#8221; are trying to accomplish.</p>
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