We are tinkering with our planet’s basic life support systems

change

I fully understand that by posting this, I will again provoke all of those who are emotionally and politically invested in denying global warming to assume the position.

We all know what the position is: Eyes squeezed shut, forefingers inserted firmly into ears, loudly chanting the slogans they’ve been taught to chant so that no portion of actual scientific knowledge is allowed to penetrate.

But let’s take a look anyway, because it’s our planet, and it’s important, and I have children, and I’m not going to give up hope that we may yet summon the decency, courage and wisdom to at least try to mitigate the worst impacts of what we are doing to ourselves.

The above chart comes from “The State of the Climate: 2009,” a report compiled by more than 300 scientists worldwide under the auspices of our own National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. As the report notes, it is the product not of computer models but of observed data.

As the chart demonstrates, global climate has been changing just as scientists have been predicting it would since back in the ’70s. As the report warns:

“Continued temperature increases will threaten many aspects of our society, including coastal cities and infrastructure, water supply and agriculture. People have spent thousands of years building society for one climate and now a new one is being created – one that’s warmer and more extreme.”

ocean

So far, “more than 90 percent of the warming that’s happened on earth during the past 50 years has gone into the oceans,” the report warns. The expected effects of such warming include rising sea levels, melting ice caps and stronger hurricanes.

But those may not be the most dire consequences, as another study published this week documents.

From the Montreal Gazette:

“A Dalhousie University-based study, published in the scientific journal Nature on Wednesday, suggested for the first time that microscopic marine algae known as “phytoplankton” have been declining globally – its population has decreased by roughly 40 percent since 1950 – because of rising sea surface temperatures and changing ocean conditions.

“This may well be one of the largest biological changes observed in recent times, simply because it affects most of the biosphere,” said study co-author Boris Worm.

Phytoplankton need both sunlight and nutrients to grow but warm oceans are limiting the amount of nutrients that are delivered from deeper waters to the ocean surface.

“Phytoplankton are a critical part of our planetary life-support system. They produce half of the oxygen we breathe . . . and ultimately support all of our fisheries,” he said.

He said the species is just as valuable to survival as “all plants on land combined.”

Isn’t that lovely? A single species of aquatic plant life — a fundamental building block of our ecosystem, as valuable to survival as all plants on land combined — has declined by more than 40 percent because of global warming.

As one more effort to break through the denial, I’ll leave you with this, also from “The State of the Climate in 2009.” Scientists identified 10 major metrics that would tell us how and whether the climate was changing. Every single one of those metrics is indicating significant and ongoing heating.

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335 comments Add your comment

professional skeptic

July 30th, 2010
10:09 am

But… but… it SNOWED back in February!!

Granny Godzilla

July 30th, 2010
10:12 am

Very well said.

I’ve fought this fight for myself, for my daughters and I redouble my efforts in honor of my nearly here grandson.

Shame on the climate deniers. Shame on you.

Bosch

July 30th, 2010
10:13 am

“But… but… it SNOWED back in February!!”

TWICE!!

Kamchak

July 30th, 2010
10:13 am

Kamchak

July 30th, 2010
10:13 am

Scout

July 30th, 2010
10:16 am

Ooops! I must have clicked on Cynthia Tucker’s thread by mistake.

josef nix

July 30th, 2010
10:18 am

Global warming, again! Bleeah! I want some evolution!

Bosch

July 30th, 2010
10:18 am

Sorry Kamchak.

md

July 30th, 2010
10:20 am

And here it is – like clockwork………Palin column in the works………….

Give you credit Jay – you stick to your agenda.

Doggone/GA

July 30th, 2010
10:21 am

“I want some evolution!”

Here you go: the global climate is EVOLVING!

ty webb

July 30th, 2010
10:23 am

if one buys into the Global warmi-um-oh-it’s Climate change hype, do they also get massages with happy endings?

booger

July 30th, 2010
10:24 am

1.48 degree swing in 130 years. Wow.

Scout

July 30th, 2010
10:26 am

“OFF TOPIC #1″

The owner of the Phoenix Suns basketball team, Robert Sarver, opposes AZ’s new immigration laws. Arizona’s Governor, Jan Brewer, released the following statement in response to Sarver’s criticism of the new law:

“What if the owners of the Suns discovered that hordes of people were sneaking into games without paying? What if they had a good idea who the gate-crashers are, but the ushers and security personnel were not allowed to ask these folks to produce their ticket stubs, thus non-paying attendees couldn’t be ejected. Furthermore, what if Suns’ ownership was expected to provide those who sneaked in with complimentary eats and drink? And what if, on those days when a gate-crasher became ill or injured, the Suns had to provide free medical care and shelter?”

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer

Russ555

July 30th, 2010
10:27 am

Going, going, going –gone?

Granny Godzilla

July 30th, 2010
10:29 am

“LONDON — Climate-change disasters kill around 300,000 people a year and cause about $125 billion in economic losses, mainly from agriculture, a think-tank led by former U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan reported Friday.” From MSNBC

Shame on you people.

booger

July 30th, 2010
10:29 am

It’s not that some of us deny science, it’s just that we do not believe in science which is bought and paid for to achieve a political objective.

Outhouse GoKart

July 30th, 2010
10:29 am

Another angle…

NASA Study Acknowledges Solar Cycle, Not Man, Responsible for Past Warming
http://www.dailytech.com/NASA+Study+Acknowledges+Solar+Cycle+Not+Man+Responsible+for+Past+Warming/article15310.htm

josef nix

July 30th, 2010
10:30 am

Doggone

Heh, heh!

But you’re right in an aspect that both “sides” of this seem to be missing. Climatology is a “new” science on the scene and is in the earliest stages of its evolution.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
10:34 am

“Global warming, again! Bleeah! I want some evolution!”

how’s this:

sadly, because climate change is happening at such an accelerated pace, species can’t evolve fast enough to cope with it

Outhouse GoKart

July 30th, 2010
10:34 am

booger

July 30th, 2010
10:35 am

Granny, Kofi Annan, or anyone in the UN would be the last person I’d believe. He’s the one who started the heavy push on climate change as a way to achieve global wealth redistribution. Actually I take it back, Al Gore would be the last person, Annan would be next in line.

And I don’t get the shame thing. Do you really think what I think makes a difference?

Granny Godzilla

July 30th, 2010
10:35 am

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SUMMARY: Andrew Napolitano cited a DailyTech article headlined, “NASA Study Acknowledges Solar Cycle, Not Man, Responsible for Past Warming,” to deny that humans are causing global warming. In fact, the article itself noted that NASA does not dispute that human activities are responsible for global warming.

On the June 5 edition of Fox News’ Glenn Beck, guest host and Fox News senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano mischaracterized a year-old NASA report on solar variability to deny that humans are causing global warming. Claiming that NASA “made a remarkable discovery,” Napolitano referred to a June 4 DailyTech article headlined, “NASA Study Acknowledges Solar Cycle, Not Man, Responsible for Past Warming,” and said: “So, basically — are you ready for this? — the sun heats the Earth.” However, as the DailyTech article itself acknowledged, in its May 7, 2008, report, NASA does not dispute that human activities are responsible for global warming. In fact, it said the opposite, noting that while “[t]he sun has powered almost everything on Earth since life began, including its climate,” greenhouse gases now have a “significant influence on Earth’s climate.”

The NASA report also stated that “Earth’s climate depends on the delicate balance between incoming solar radiation, outgoing thermal radiation and the composition of Earth’s atmosphere. Even small changes in these parameters can affect climate.” It then quoted Thomas Woods, a solar scientist at the University of Colorado-Boulder, saying that “[g]reenhouse gases block about 40 percent of outgoing thermal radiation that emanates from Earth.” The report continued: “The resulting imbalance between incoming solar radiation and outgoing thermal radiation will likely cause Earth to heat up over the next century, accelerating the melting polar ice caps, causing sea levels to rise and increasing the probability of more violent global weather patterns.”

The NASA report also quoted Robert Cahalan, a climatologist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, as saying that “[f]or the last 20 to 30 years, we believe greenhouse gases have been the dominant influence on recent climate change,” and that “[t]he major change in Earth’s climate is now really dominated by human activity, which has never happened before.”

From NASA’s May 7, 2008, report:

The sun has powered almost everything on Earth since life began, including its climate. The sun also delivers an annual and seasonal impact, changing the character of each hemisphere as Earth’s orientation shifts through the year. Since the Industrial Revolution, however, new forces have begun to exert significant influence on Earth’s climate.

“For the last 20 to 30 years, we believe greenhouse gases have been the dominant influence on recent climate change,” said Robert Cahalan, climatologist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

[...]

Over the past century, Earth’s average temperature has increased by approximately 0.6 degrees Celsius (1.1 degrees Fahrenheit). Solar heating accounts for about 0.15 C, or 25 percent, of this change, according to computer modeling results published by NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies researcher David Rind in 2004. Earth’s climate depends on the delicate balance between incoming solar radiation, outgoing thermal radiation and the composition of Earth’s atmosphere. Even small changes in these parameters can affect climate. Around 30 percent of the solar energy that strikes Earth is reflected back into space. Clouds, atmospheric aerosols, snow, ice, sand, ocean surface and even rooftops play a role in deflecting the incoming rays. The remaining 70 percent of solar energy is absorbed by land, ocean, and atmosphere.

“Greenhouse gases block about 40 percent of outgoing thermal radiation that emanates from Earth,” Woods said. The resulting imbalance between incoming solar radiation and outgoing thermal radiation will likely cause Earth to heat up over the next century, accelerating the melting polar ice caps, causing sea levels to rise and increasing the probability of more violent global weather patterns.

[...]

Before the Industrial Age, the sun and volcanic eruptions were the major influences on Earth’s climate change. Earth warmed and cooled in cycles. Major cool periods were ice ages, with the most recent ending about 11,000 years ago.

“Right now, we are in between major ice ages, in a period that has been called the Holocene,” said Cahalan. “Over recent decades, however, we have moved into a human-dominated climate that some have termed the Anthropocene. The major change in Earth’s climate is now really dominated by human activity, which has never happened before.”

The sun is relatively calm compared to other stars. “We don’t know what the sun is going to do a hundred years from now,” said Doug Rabin, a solar physicist at Goddard. “It could be considerably more active and therefore have more influence on Earth’s climate.”

Or, it could be calmer, creating a cooler climate on Earth similar to what happened in the late 17th century. Almost no sunspots were observed on the sun’s surface during the period from 1650 to 1715. This extended absence of solar activity may have been partly responsible for the Little Ice Age in Europe and may reflect cyclic or irregular changes in the sun’s output over hundreds of years. During this period, winters in Europe were longer and colder by about 1 C than they are today.

Since then, there seems to have been on average a slow increase in solar activity. Unless we find a way to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases we put into the atmosphere, such as carbon dioxide from fossil fuel burning, the solar influence is not expected to dominate climate change. But the solar variations are expected to continue to modulate both warming and cooling trends at the level of 0.1 to 0.2 degrees Celsius (0.18 to 0.26 Fahrenheit) over many years.

The DailyTech article Napolitano cited reported that “[s]ome researchers believe that the solar cycle influences global climate changes. They attribute recent warming trends to cyclic variation. Skeptics, though, argue that there’s little hard evidence of a solar hand in recent climate changes.” The DailyTech article then asserted that “a new research report” from NASA “may help to lay this skepticism to rest,” reporting: “A study from NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland looking at climate data over the past century has concluded that solar variation has made a significant impact on the Earth’s climate. The report concludes that evidence for climate changes based on solar radiation can be traced back as far as the Industrial Revolution.” The article linked to a ScienceDaily.com May 12, 2008, article adapted from the NASA report. The DailyTech article concluded:

While the NASA study acknowledged the sun’s influence on warming and cooling patterns, it then went badly off the tracks. Ignoring its own evidence, it returned to an argument that man had replaced the sun as the cause current warming patterns. Like many studies, this conclusion was based less on hard data and more on questionable correlations and inaccurate modeling techniques.

From the June 5 edition of Fox News’ Glenn Beck:

NAPOLITANO: Hello, America. This is tonight’s hot list. These are the stories that the mainstream media is not covering but should be, or they’re following, but they’re not doing a good job. You know how that works.

The Washington Times reports that, so far, there aren’t any states willing to house Gitmo detainees if the prison should close. President Obama intends to close the prison on January 2010. But even those who want to close Gitmo are basically saying not in my backyard.

NASA’s Goddard Space Center made a remarkable discovery. The headline from the DailyTech is — you’re not going to believe this — quote: “NASA acknowledges solar cycle, not man, responsible for global warming.”

So, basically — are you ready for this? — the sun heats the Earth. The real question is whether Al Gore’s NASA guy, Dr. James Hanson, will give up on trying to say “people heat the Earth” and “people cause global warming,” or if the man who produced the report will get fired for going against the green — I mean, against the grain.

From MMA

SHAME SHAME SHAME

josef nix

July 30th, 2010
10:36 am

USinUK
Some will, some won’t. Survival of the fittest.

professional skeptic

July 30th, 2010
10:36 am

Off topic #1 (and last time I’ll make a “Daddy” reference):

Daddy, why do Republicans hate small businesses so much?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/29/AR2010072900485.html

Outhouse GoKart

July 30th, 2010
10:37 am

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
10:38 am

“Survival of the fittest.”

cacti and c-o-c-kroaches, my friend …

barking frog

July 30th, 2010
10:39 am

Oceanfront property in Arizona is cheap as dirt.

Doggone/GA

July 30th, 2010
10:41 am

OGK – if you’re going to link to a report to support your opinion, you should REALLY make an effort to be SURE it actually does, though technically what you linked to does…however IT links to this: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080512120523.htm

Which contains this: “Over recent decades, however, we have moved into a human-dominated climate that some have termed the Anthropocene. The major change in Earth’s climate is now really dominated by human activity, which has never happened before.”

md

July 30th, 2010
10:42 am

This is an equivalent to religion – it is a belief. The only known “fact” is that the planet is currently warming – “why” is the “belief”, and good ole Jay believes his way is the only way.

Yep, sounds like religion………………

And by the way, there is no “proof” that man is the sole cause – that is the big boondoggle the believers are pushing………….

Kamchak

July 30th, 2010
10:43 am

Some will, some won’t. Survival of the fittest.

Extinct is forever.

Bruno

July 30th, 2010
10:43 am

Impressive graphs, Jay, until you look at the scales associated with them. Your global temperature graph shows a less than 1 degree rise Fahrenheit in more than 80 years. The scale used on your sea level graph is given in millimeters. The sea surface temperature, temperature over oceans and temperature over land graphs indicate a less than a 1/2 degree rise Celsius in the same time span. While the contour of the graphs shows a rising trend, the scales chosen by the authors of the graphs exaggerates the amount of change.

md

July 30th, 2010
10:44 am

“sadly, because climate change is happening at such an accelerated pace, species can’t evolve fast enough to cope with it”

Guess what, it has happened before and more than likely will happen again – an awful lot of cycles in life, especially over several billion years…………..

RW-(the original)

July 30th, 2010
10:44 am

Are we really supposed to believe that 130 years is an accurate representation of the history of earth? I don’t think so, but here’s a thought for all the people who say it can’t hurt to just do something so let’s sit here, change our lightbulbs and whiz in the yard. If the planet is warming through a natural cycle and you’re in an area likely to be affected then the thing you need to do is move.

StJ

July 30th, 2010
10:46 am

I wonder how much the global temperature will increase when Iran develops a nuclear bomb and makes good on its threat to wipe Israel off the face of the earth?

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
10:46 am

md – 10:44 – gee, you’re right … it’s happened before so why should we bother to do anything about it …

:roll:

josef nix

July 30th, 2010
10:48 am

Perhaps I’m the last optimist left on the planet, but since I do accept the concept of evolution AND the concept of G-d’s or M*ther N*tures noblest creature, I’m not in the gloom and doom crowd. Gloom? Right now, certainly. Doom? Well, we’ve survived all past attempts to obliterate our species and have gone from the trees to the stars.

md

July 30th, 2010
10:49 am

“md – 10:44 – gee, you’re right … it’s happened before so why should we bother to do anything about it … ”

You really believe we, as minuscule as we are in the equation, can alter the universe?????

OK……….

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
10:49 am

Bruno – 1 degree F makes a bigger difference than you realize – it can change blooming patterns, which will have an effect on pollinating insects, which then moves up the chain …

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
10:49 am

md – ” can alter the universe????”

hyperbolate much?

Doggone/GA

July 30th, 2010
10:50 am

“You really believe we, as minuscule as we are in the equation, can alter the universe?????”

In case you haven’t noticed…the earth is NOT “the universe”

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
10:51 am

Doggone – however, I am at the center of it, nonetheless

RW-(the original)

July 30th, 2010
10:51 am

Well, we’ve survived all past attempts to obliterate our species and have gone from the trees to the stars.

Or you could say we’ve gone from a second rate ripoff like Bernie Madoff to the full blown swindle of Al Gore and we’re still likely to survive.

josef nix

July 30th, 2010
10:53 am

USinUK

Hyberbole on md’s part? I would submit not. It is precisely that arrogance that we CAN change to universe which has made its contribution to the sad state of affairs we’re in now…

We, the homo sapiens, are minuscule in the equation…sorry, Blanche, but ya are! :-)

Russ555

July 30th, 2010
10:53 am

Downside is too high to ignore and not too make changes. For many reasons other than climate warming or change. Warming is not the only harmful effect of what we are doing.

josef nix

July 30th, 2010
10:54 am

RW
@ 10:51

Another EOI heard from! :-)

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
10:54 am

jo nix – which is worse: the arrogance of thinking that you can postively change the universe or the sloth of not even trying?

Bubba Bob

July 30th, 2010
10:55 am

Jay,

Are you aware of the difference between global warming and anthropomorphic global warming? I don’t deny the first but I do deny the second. Big difference.

So, take your tainted data and admitted scientific tricks and try again.

Bruno

July 30th, 2010
10:55 am

Alex Filippenko, the most quoted astronomer of our era, has this to say about the earth’s greenhouse effect: “Earth has an operating greenhouse effect, which in moderation, is a good thing. Earth would be about 60 degrees F cooler with no greenhouse effect. Earth has a very effective way of recycling its greenhouse gases, primarily carbon dioxide and water vapor”…. “Some scientists argue that an increase in carbon dioxide will lead to more water vapor in the atmosphere, which would offset global warming by blocking more on the Sun’s radiation from reaching Earth. Other scientists believe that an increase in the water vapor increases greenhouse heating and more than compensates for the extra sunlight reflection off the clouds”

Translation: Nobody knows for sure, we’re relying on incomplete computer models which have been shown to be primitive and faulty. We need to do more studies before jumping to conclusions.

godless heathen

July 30th, 2010
10:56 am

What is the explanation for the all the cold temps 1880-1920?

And I’m sure that the methods for measuring parameters such as Sea Surface Temperature have not changed in the past 160 years so we can compare the Sea Surface Temperatures of today with those of 1850 and that see that SSTs have risen almost 0.8^C.

Rational Observer

July 30th, 2010
10:58 am

If God had wanted the deniers to understand global warming, he would have given them that ability when they were born. Same goes for balancing their checkbooks or understanding fractions. Yet, they understand credit cards perfectly. Charge it. Roll over the balance onto a new card. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Die before payment comes due.

Keep up the good fight!

July 30th, 2010
10:59 am

Wonder what kind of fossil fuel humans will make?

Jay

July 30th, 2010
10:59 am

Outhouse, the study that you reference regarding solar activity says nothing close to what you claim.

Nothing close.

It does confirm that solar activity affects climate. However, it says NOTHING about solar activity being responsible for the warming we’ve seen.

In fact, it says exactly the opposite:

Thomas Woods, solar scientist at the University of Colorado in Boulder concludes, “The fluctuations in the solar cycle impacts Earth’s global temperature by about 0.1 degree Celsius, slightly hotter during solar maximum and cooler during solar minimum. The sun is currently at its minimum, and the next solar maximum is expected in 2012.”

Did you catch that? With global temperatures now setting record after record, we are at the solar MINIMUM. In other words, this is the time frame in which solar activity has the LEAST impact, and we are still hotter than ever.

Amazing the mental contortions that you folks are willing to perform in order to keep believing.

Just amazing.

Bruno

July 30th, 2010
11:00 am

“Bruno – 1 degree F makes a bigger difference than you realize – it can change blooming patterns, which will have an effect on pollinating insects, which then moves up the chain …”

Careful with your admonitions, USinUK. A few months ago, you were “surprised” to find out that methane is a far more potent substance in terms of global warming than CO2. You were “amazed” to find out that our sea floors are lined with frozen methane. Apparently you forgot that I pointed the same thing out to you and the other W2W bloggers about 2 years prior. I may not keep up with the latest political news, but I usually stay on top of Science. ;-)

josef nix

July 30th, 2010
11:00 am

USinUK
Well, the sloth, in evolutionary terms, has been around a lot longer!

So which is worse? I’m not sure…would you not agree that the homo sapiens’ “divine spark” is what led to the technological advances which have had these unforeseen consequences we are now trying to control?

Halftrack

July 30th, 2010
11:00 am

There you go again. What is your worldview? The data you show is for such a short time of all history that it is insignificant. History says that the South Pole was once a tropic climate. The world had to be hotter than it is now. So how did we survive from those days without global warming laws?

godless heathen

July 30th, 2010
11:01 am

The only constant thing on earth is change. Maybe Jay can point us to a study that shows that the rate of change now is more rapid than it has ever been over the past 10 to 15 million years.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
11:01 am

godless – there are a couple:

1) Krakatoa
2) Tunguska (they think)

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
11:02 am

good fight – “fossil fuel humans will make?”

well, we all know Rush will be nothing but hot gas

booger

July 30th, 2010
11:02 am

I would like to know what makes us think we have accurate worldwide temperature data back to the 1880’s. We know there are many issues with our current data collection methodology, so imagine the issues they may have had in 1880 getting precise readings from Siberia or the jungles of Africa.
And yet our scientists apparently can say with great certainty what worldwide temperatures were back then. If you can accept there may be some minor problems with data from then, and the swing for the entire 130 years is only 1.48 degrees, then one cannot help being skeptical.

neo-Carlinist

July 30th, 2010
11:02 am

Kamchack,Granny, JB and all those gravely concerned with climate change/global warming; I encourage you to refer to the Gospel according to Carlin – Save the Planet (YouTube 7:38). The “extinction” monkey (interesting metaphor, don’t you agree josef – vis a vis your “evolution” comment?) is out of the cage. If one were to objectively and dispassionately (see: religion) study history, he/she would accept that humans are the greatest threat to the ecosystem and the species. It’s called progress and technology, and if we want to eat omelettes, we’re going to break lots of eggs. forget about China or India in terms of culpability, Americans will not reduce consumption of fossil fuels, surrender a/c, minivans, or personal computers. here’s how I “fight” climate change; I approach it as Bruce Lee observed in Enter the Dragon; “fighting without fighting…” be an army of one and live as you see fit. the idea that U.S. policy will “save the planet” is, as Carlin observed, “arrogant meddling in Nature.” there is no “life support system”, JB. there is the ecosystem and when it ceases to “support” (human) life, human life will cease to exist.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
11:03 am

Bruno – oi, you – I’m not admonishing – just saying that there’s no such thing as “just 1 degree”

(and considering the warming of the oceans speed up the thawing of frozen methane, I’d suggest 1 degree can make a HUGE difference when it comes to a tipping point)

Bruno

July 30th, 2010
11:04 am

“Amazing the mental contortions that you folks are willing to perform in order to keep believing.”

Jay–the fact remains that the Earth has been far warmer than it is now several times in the past, yet the temperatures eventually cooled again. To me, this suggests that temperatures run in cycles, cycles that we don’t fully understand at present. Exactly what is the basis for your certainty that mankind is now causing an irreversible rise in global temps? Lame computer models?

godless heathen

July 30th, 2010
11:04 am

1) Krakatoa
2) Tunguska (they think)

Were those cars?

Where's My Party?

July 30th, 2010
11:05 am

So what’s the plan to fix it? There is a constant, seems almost daily sometimes, diatribe against the non-believers, but I don’t recall seeing any options on how to fix it. Just more feigned poutrage that the science proves it and how could someone not see it. And before any are given, I’d like to see the options that don’t involve more taxes and more governent control.

Fire away.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
11:05 am

jo nix – “homo sapiens’ “divine spark” ”

for some reason, the image that came to mind was of Ben Franklin, a kite, a key and a thunderstorm :-)

you say “divine spark”, I say “free will” … as Uncle Ben said to Peter Parker, “with great power comes great responsibilities”

Doggone/GA

July 30th, 2010
11:06 am

“however, I am at the center of it, nonetheless”

See, and I don’t even have to dispute that! In an unbounded universe EVERYONE is at the center of it!

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
11:06 am

so, because of natural disasters in the past, we shouldn’t do anythign to stem the current man-made disaster?

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
11:07 am

Doggone – “In an unbounded universe EVERYONE is at the center of it!”

… all revolving around ME …

;-)

Dusty

July 30th, 2010
11:08 am

Awww Bookman deserted his first dull subject . Found some graphs. Gave us another dull one. This one has been beat ot a pulp. Could it be that Bookman is avoiding the great TV booboo by our President? Ah yes. Mongrels, no less.

So the great “rise” in heat has put a death notice on the world population? That is why the number of people keep rising to an almost unsupportable number on this globe? That grass aint growing like it used to and kudzu growth only grows a few feet a day now??

Doomed, I tell you. Doomed.. Just send your contributions to save the earth to Gore and Michael Moore. They are the great environmentalists of our times and look how thin and skinny they are!! Pitiful! And living in tarpaper shacks!!! Awful!!

Rational Observer

July 30th, 2010
11:08 am

One degree F change can keep a tomato plant from blooming.

RW-(the original)

July 30th, 2010
11:09 am

July 2010 is now the deadliest month for American troops in the 9 years of action in Afghanistan. The deafening silence is enough to make you think the complaining by the AJC in the past was all political.

Rational Observer

July 30th, 2010
11:09 am

One degree F change can melt ice.

josef nix

July 30th, 2010
11:09 am

neoCarlist

That pretty much sums up the way I see it in the great cosmic scheme of things…if we do go extinct tomorrow, we won’t be the first and won’t be the last species incapable of adapting to the environmental changes…if we do, indeed, want to “do something about it” then the first step, I submit, is to accept that for all our glory, we, like our science, are in but the first and earliest stages of our evolutionary process…

Bruno

July 30th, 2010
11:09 am

“The only constant thing on earth is change. Maybe Jay can point us to a study that shows that the rate of change now is more rapid than it has ever been over the past 10 to 15 million years.”

godless heathen–I’ll give Jay the benefit of the doubt that his Chicken Little arguments absent any solid proof are borne out of a true concern for our planet and future generations. That still doesn’t make them any more valid.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

July 30th, 2010
11:10 am

From the AJC:

Recovery loses speed as consumers turn cautious

WASHINGTON — The recovery lost momentum in the second quarter as growth slowed to a 2.4 percent pace, its most sluggish showing in nearly a year and too weak to drive down unemployment….

November is going to be a hoot…

Afghanistan
Immigration
Healthcare
Economy
Stimulus

Rational Observer

July 30th, 2010
11:11 am

An education is a terrible thing to waste. Deniers know this and accept it. If they were meant to be educated, God would have made them educated.

TheCrooksAreStillAtIT

July 30th, 2010
11:12 am

IT’s HOT!!

HOWEVER,

I would rather we talk about these idiots running for Georgia Governor.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
11:12 am

awww … poor hootinanny – so desperate to cling on to bad news, you seem to ignore that this is the 4th consecutive quarter of positive growth, that business investment is up, that personal consumption is stable …

Karl Marx

July 30th, 2010
11:13 am

Looking at only 120 years of data and saying it constitutes a trend is just plain stupid.

RW-(the original)

July 30th, 2010
11:14 am

josef,

I’ll give you credit. You’re determined to get your evolution thread one way or another. We used to have some great ones over at ml’s old place.

josef nix

July 30th, 2010
11:14 am

USinUK
Ah, ma chere, it was that “divine spark” that gave us “free will” IMHO…

The Ben Franklin image is most appropriate, here, though…in all of this discussion, I keep asking myself, what would he say? He is, after all, pretty much the father of climatology which tells us just how short of a time it’s been…

Bruno

July 30th, 2010
11:15 am

“So what’s the plan to fix it? There is a constant, seems almost daily sometimes, diatribe against the non-believers, but I don’t recall seeing any options on how to fix it.”

Maybe the Democrats can pass some more legislation that no one will understand until it is enacted.

Rational Observer

July 30th, 2010
11:16 am

Jay can post all the data he wants. It will have no impact on the deniers. They are the uneducated and they are actually much better off that way. Besides, they have more important things to be concerned with such as “why did Obama destroy this once-perfect nation and how did he manage to do it before he was even elected,” and other such pressing issues.

El Jefe

July 30th, 2010
11:16 am

While not many deny global climate change, it still comes down to if puny man can influence global climate or not.

With the worse winter in the last 30 years, and snow on the beaches in Brazil and Argentina, can we really think we are in charge of the climate?

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
11:18 am

jo nix – mon petit chou – you say divine spark, I say tomahto … or something like that! ;-)

seriously, I compare it to the age-old question, “wouldn’t you rather believe in god and be wrong than not believe in god and be wrong?”

wouldn’t you rather DO something to clean up the environment and be wrong than NOT?

Kamchak

July 30th, 2010
11:18 am

awww … poor hootinanny – so desperate to cling on to bad news…

So desperate that he posted it over at CT’s place too.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
11:18 am

RW and jo nix …

remember – if evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve.

Dusty

July 30th, 2010
11:19 am

USinUK 11:12

Try to keep up. Hootenanny is reporting what was in the news TODAY.

Bruno

July 30th, 2010
11:19 am

“so desperate to cling on to bad news, you seem to ignore that this is the 4th consecutive quarter of positive growth, that business investment is up, that personal consumption is stable …”

USinUK–Would you agree that the media has done all that it can to spread pessimism regarding the economy for the past few years? Certainly, bad news sells more papers than good news, but I believe the constant negative drumbeat is creating a self-fulfilling prophesy by dimming consumer confidence. Any thoughts?

neo-Carlinist

July 30th, 2010
11:21 am

Rational Observer (11:09) so can (Kamachak’s) a SQUIRREL! ditto a nasty looking bugger called the hickory horned devil – which usually sets up shop in hardwoods, but I removed one from my cherry tomato plant yesterday. it had consumed ever leaf, bud and blossom on the top third of the plant. you want to point a finger? blame god (creator of fire)

Rational Observer

July 30th, 2010
11:22 am

Why do the deniers refuse to conduct the ultimate experiment to prove once and for all that carbon dioxide does them no harm. Seal yourselves in an airtight room and breath. Breath deep. Oxygen is for pansies. You could even generate a random sample of methane while you’re at it and show that it is okay too.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
11:22 am

Kam – cling! cling! cling!!

actually, the sub-data was pretty positive –

personal savings rate is around 6%
non-residential investment is up 17%
Exports were up 10%
Disposable income rose 4.4%

good news all around

Peadawg

July 30th, 2010
11:23 am

Another normal hot summer day and another blog about global warming. Yawn.

josef nix

July 30th, 2010
11:23 am

RW

“You’re determined to get your evolution thread one way or another.”

The L-rd helps those who help themselves!

USinUK

Of course I would rather do something to clean up the enviroment! But in evolutionary terms, the great ape is a species that fouls his own nest…as “advanced” as we are, we’ve still got a lot of evolutionary traits to overcome…

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
11:23 am

Dusty – yes – and I’ve got the BEA release right here – has been the topic of conversation since 1:30 …

say it with me now … positive growth for 4 quarters … c’mon, you can do it …

booger

July 30th, 2010
11:24 am

This research has been bought and paid for by Uncle Sam working as an agent for the United Nations. The debate is over, and no further evidence will be admitted.

Doggone/GA

July 30th, 2010
11:25 am

“we’ve still got a lot of evolutionary traits to overcome”

Yep…but the BIG advantage we have, as humans, is that we CAN overcome them, because we are aware of them and have the ability to make a conscious choice to change.

Bruno

July 30th, 2010
11:25 am

“While not many deny global climate change, it still comes down to if puny man can influence global climate or not.”

“wouldn’t you rather DO something to clean up the environment and be wrong than NOT?”

Studies I’ve seen indicate that man’s contribution to greenhouse gases are small in comparison to Nature’s contribution. Having said that, I still think it’s a good idea if we cut back on the burning of fossil fuels. No one is in favor of pollution, on either side of the global warming debate. The question is are we in crisis mode right now? Alex Filippenko thinks not, and he’s a lot smarter than I am.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Filippenko

BADA BING

July 30th, 2010
11:26 am

Recent report states that the World’s population is nearing 7 billion. Not if the Earth has anything to do with it. One day the Earth is going to shrug all of us off and not even blink.

josef nix

July 30th, 2010
11:26 am

USinUK
“…only outlaws will evolve…”
:-) And I daresay there’s a great deal of truth in that if we look at the evolution of the species….

Have you been following what’s going on with the baboons?