Judge seems startled at lack of progress in water-war talks

On July 17, 2009, U.S. District Judge Paul Magnuson gave Georgia three years to reach agreement with its neighbors or lose access to Lake Lanier as a source of drinking water.

It is now more than a year later — less than two years from the deadline — and no progress of any sort is discernible. Sure, Gov. Sonny Perdue continues to talk a good game in public, expressing optimism that he can still cut a deal before the end of the year, when he and his counterparts in Alabama and Florida leave office.

But the days fly by, and nothing happens.

In fact, you have to wonder whether Magnuson himself is getting nervous. He may have been right in 2009 about the law: Congress probably never did explicitly approve the use of Lake Lanier, a federal project, as a water supply for metro Atlanta. But when he issued his deadline, I don’t think Magnuson ever imagined that state and federal officials might stand by and actually force him to carry it out.

Of course, that’s not going to happen. As a practical matter, Magnuson simply cannot turn off the spigot two years from now and leave hundreds of thousands of people in Gwinnett County and elsewhere high and dry. And he knows that. He also probably realizes now that while his deadline gave Georgia a great incentive to reach a deal, it put no pressure whatsoever on Alabama and Florida.

As a result, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing nothing.

Last week, Magnuson did take a small step toward rectifying that problem. In another aspect of the complex legal case, Florida has been claiming that under the Endangered Species Act, it was entitled to additional fresh water from Georgia to protect two mussel species and the threatened Gulf sturgeon. That claim was a big part of Florida’s excuse for refusing to cut a deal with Georgia.

In a decision July 21, Magnuson rejected Florida’s claim outright, ruling that “the ESA claims are without merit and must be dismissed.” In effect, the decision leaves Florida with little legitimate reason to continue to reject a settlement. If it continues to do so, it is acting in bad faith. As Perdue put it afterward, “We always felt the use of the Endangered Species Act was just a ruse to try and wring more water out of Georgia,” and Magnuson’s decision strips that ruse naked.

In his ruling, Magnuson also had harsh words for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which operates Lake Lanier and other dams in the Chattahoochee/Apalachicola basin. For example, he wrote that he was troubled “by the Corps’ refusal to take responsibility for its utter failure to conduct any sort of environmental analysis whatsoever” on its existing plan for operating the dams.

But here’s the critical part. The Corps is now drafting a new plan for how to operate Lake Lanier and its other projects, and this time it is also preparing an environmental impact statement. In his ruling, Magnuson strongly suggested that the EIS include the potential impact of water withdrawals from Lake Lanier.

“An EIS that does not at least consider the effects of current and future water supply withdrawals from Lake Lanier as well as other points in the ACF system is, for all intents and purposes, a useless document,” he told the Corps. Clearly, he understands that water withdrawals of some level from Lake Lanier will be a necessity.

Back in June, during oral arguments, Magnuson’s frustration was even more clear. The judicial system is going to do its job of interpreting current law, he told attorneys for all three states and the federal government, “and that’s all I’m going to do, and somebody better figure that out.”

“There are two other branches of government that are involved in this subject,” he said. The executive and legislative branches “are sitting here kicking a football back and forth for 30-plus years. Now, it’s got to come to a conclusion. It’s got to be resolved. The issues that are involved in this case carry such significance to so many people in so many ways that nobody is going to have a complete solution to anything. But there is only one way to resolve it, and that is a resolution as it relates to the legislative side and it relates to the executive side.”

Fine words. Meanwhile, the days continue to fly by.

105 comments Add your comment

stands for decibels

July 30th, 2010
7:26 am

“An EIS that does not at least consider the effects of current and future water supply withdrawals from Lake Lanier as well as other points in the ACF system is, for all intents and purposes, a useless document,”

For those of us not terribly familiar with EISs, Jay, could you explain how such a survey would discuss the environmental impact of withdrawals from a lake?

Perhaps I’m missing something here but given that Lanier is an artificial body of water and the environment was just fine and dandy before it hit full pool in the late 1950s, I’m not sure I’m getting this. Is it because of potential for (just guessing here, please don’t laugh) duststorms from dried-up coves? Are there really a lot of flora and fauna that’d be affected?

I just don’t see that this was much of an issue, before, when the lake was ~20 feet below pool. Sure, people were upset, it affected the local recreational industry, etc., but environmentally?

Please to explain.

@@

July 30th, 2010
7:32 am

This water battle reminds me of the Middle East peace negotiations between the Palestinians and Israel.

I’m still startled that you haven’t yet addressed the leaking spigot in Atlanta.

Jay

July 30th, 2010
7:35 am

Sfd, the EIS would no doubt focus on the impact DOWNSTREAM both of withdrawing water from Lake Lanier and of holding water in Lake Lanier so it could be withdrawn later.

Would it leave downstream fish and mussel species high and dry? Would it have an impact on salinity levels in the biologically rich Apalachicola Bay? Would it do no harm to anyone?

Those kinds of questions.

stands for decibels

July 30th, 2010
7:38 am

the EIS would no doubt focus on the impact DOWNSTREAM both of withdrawing water from Lake Lanier and of holding water in Lake Lanier so it could be withdrawn later.

wait a minute–you mean that the Corps wouldn’t be doing that as a matter of course?

I took it as a given that they would.

You’re right, that’s bug[bleep] insane.

Northern Songs, LTD

July 30th, 2010
7:41 am

So what’s the over-under on the first “it’s Bush’s fault” “no, it’s Obama’s fault” post?

Seriously, this issue is another prime example of an abject failure of leadership that transcends party lines, and goes back years, if not generations. Pitiful.

Normal

July 30th, 2010
7:44 am

Good morning y’all…I’m off (take that as you will)!!!

I’m surprised the Judge is startled. Around here, we don’t think about water until Saturday nights…

Jay

July 30th, 2010
7:46 am

The Corps took the position in court that since Magnuson had ruled such withdrawals illegal, the feds had no legal authority to study what would happen if those withdrawals continue.

Magnuson told them — and I paraphrase — “what, are you nuts?”

But there’s no sign that the Corps has changed its position.

Road Scholar

July 30th, 2010
7:47 am

What about the impact to the states economy, and more particularly, Atlanta? An EIS also looks at social, cost comparisons and secondary effects.

Doesn’t allowing water to be managed/used for the metro area and along our western border for over 50 years have an implied affect? If you build a fence between your property and your neighbors, and it’s not on the property line, doesn’t the fence become the new property line?

AmVet

July 30th, 2010
7:52 am

Good morning Jay, Normal and stands,

Like most, this is a very complicated topic and involves compromise.

Which generally makes it unsuitable for Republican solutions.

Perhaps Roy will come up with some answers, after November…

stands for decibels

July 30th, 2010
7:54 am

But there’s no sign that the Corps has changed its position.

So such “surveying”, such as has been / will be done, becomes essentially privatized, or at best left to the individual states whose bias has to be considered?

And that’s what the judge gets to work from to make an informed decision?

stands for decibels

July 30th, 2010
8:00 am

you haven’t yet addressed the leaking spigot in Atlanta.

@@, granted that the Atlanta water supply/sewer system is old an in need of big bucks, and thus not operating as efficiently as it could/should, but was there something specific in the news of late quantifying the degree of waste Up Here?

Did a quick googling, didn’t see it, is the reason I ask.

ty webb

July 30th, 2010
8:00 am

Don’t mess with those delicious Apalachicola bay oysters! Who cares if a few million people go thirsty? Those tasty creatures must be protected.

stands for decibels

July 30th, 2010
8:01 am

“old AND in need of big bucks…”

stands for decibels

July 30th, 2010
8:01 am

ty, are you one of those guys who only thinks that cute and cuddly species should be protected?

TaxPayer

July 30th, 2010
8:02 am

I thought Sonny hired some fancy lawyer that gets some 100 bucks a minute or something like that to handle that matter. Is that lawyer another one of Sonny’s relatives.

Normal

July 30th, 2010
8:03 am

Top of the morning to you AmVet…I’m in the mood for protest songs this day, how ’bout you? Even the Republican “Hope and Change” song…

:)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2lfz3_bob-dylan-times-they-are-achangin_music

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
8:03 am

ty – oysters are people, too.

joe matarotz

July 30th, 2010
8:03 am

What was the consequence for the politician who started this whole mess? He had an airport named after him. If only he hadn’t been so short-sighted, this would be a non-issue today.

ty webb

July 30th, 2010
8:04 am

sfd,
no not I. I was being serious(I know that’s not often). The Apalachicola bay oysters are the best in the world.

Saul Good

July 30th, 2010
8:05 am

It’s been clear since the beginning that Sonny has not taken a serious approach to this. Sonny has done nothing but waste tax dollars trying to put up a fight instead of sitting down and trying to negotiate anything with our neighbors to the west and south of us. He believes that since the lake is in our borders…it belongs to us to do with what we please…never caring that the Fed owns, maintains, and PAID for it in the first place. It therefore belongs to our nation and NOT just GA to do with it as it pleases. I mean how much has GA benefited from the Lake? From drinking water to the real estate developed around the lake…the use of it as a recreational facility, etc…. Sonny knows that he’s leaving office soon and somebody else will have to take care of the fiasco that he did nothing to even TRY and help fix… unless you consider wasted tax dollars on lawyers filing bogus motions “help” for the citizens who pay his salary.

stands for decibels

July 30th, 2010
8:07 am

I was being serious(I know that’s not often). The Apalachicola bay oysters are the best in the world.

huh. who knew?

Doggone/GA

July 30th, 2010
8:10 am

I honestly can’t see why it should take so long to resolve. After all this time, the Corps must SURELY have some idea of what the average normal downstream flow is. Set the bar that the rate must be maintained at that normal rate, unless there are upstream weather events that would change the flow rate if the lake didn’t exist.

Then take the water out of the lake for Atlanta and the recreational users will just have to come to understand that that’s how it IS on a reservoir lake. The level goes up or down depending on the conditions.

If they want a “steady state” lake, then go to Lake Sinclair, or some lake like that, that are power plant lakes where the water MUST be maintained at or above the intake pipes for the power plant.

TaxPayer

July 30th, 2010
8:10 am

Apalachicola Bay oysters are so good, How Good Are They! They’re so good, folks tie strings to them so they can enjoy them over and over and over… until the string finally breaks.

Saul Good

July 30th, 2010
8:12 am

Off topic…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100730/ap_on_en_ot/us_books_anne_rice_3

“Anne Rice has had a religious conversion: She’s no longer a Christian.

“In the name of Christ, I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control,” the author wrote Wednesday on her Facebook page. “In the name of … Christ, I quit Christianity and being Christian. Amen.”

“Amen” to that is right!

Good for her.

larry

July 30th, 2010
8:14 am

William Hartsfield ?

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
8:15 am

Saul – that’s been a long time coming – her issues with religion started when they lost their first child (I want to say it was leukemia, but I’m not sure)

stands for decibels

July 30th, 2010
8:16 am

What was the consequence for the politician who started this whole mess? He had an airport named after him.

I believe efforts are under way to exhume Hartsfield, clone him from the DNA, wait for his clone to reach adulthood, and then have his clone executed at Turner Field. Justice will be served.

AmVet

July 30th, 2010
8:18 am

Hiya Normal. Hell to the yeah! There is never a bad time to play songs like that.

We want our country and our sovereignty back! And we’re not willing to outbid Wall Street or the Chinese for it! We want an end to these chosen wars by Crusading Christians! We want some of that justice and freedom for all!

Perhaps when these old, stuck in the 50s faketriots die off, we’ll have a chance.

(Man, did you miss an embarrassing meltdown last night!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGQNEz-WEQ

Saul Good

July 30th, 2010
8:20 am

USinUK… I’m actually surprised it’s taken THIS long. Yet you have to credit her for “trying” different “sects” until she realized that their all pretty much the same… fear, bigotry, and a nice paycheck for the leaders (tax free of course)…

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
8:23 am

Saul – AS much as I liked the Vampire books, the scariest passage I’ve ever read (even scarier than anything from Stephen King) was in the Witching Hour. that woman has one helluvan imagination.

Saul Good

July 30th, 2010
8:25 am

US…. read some of what she wrote as Anne Rambling… yup…she sure DOES have a vivid imagination… and then some!

alright…. time to get some yard work done before it gets TOO hawt!

See ya’s alls latas…

Jay

July 30th, 2010
8:28 am

Actually, Doggone, that’s essentially what the judge ruled in this phase of the lawsuit. Very roughly speaking, Florida and Alabama don’t have the right to demand more water than nature would provide.

The problem is, this phase has no direct impact on the previous phase, in which the judge ruled that we have no legal right to store or withdraw water at Lake Lanier because that is not a legally authorized purpose.

Confusing, I know. Think of it as two major hurdles. The first is Lake Lanier authorization; the second is downstream flows.

We have more or less cleared the second hurdle with this most recent ruling (pending appeals, etc.) But it really won’t matter much unless we also clear the first hurdle, which at the moment seems impassable.

Lee

July 30th, 2010
8:29 am

Bottom line, metro Atlanta exceeded the carrying capacity of the land years ago. However, the politicians and developers continued their quest for uncontrolled growth for years. Now, they are having to deal with the consequences.

I believe it was Ann Rand who said “You can ignore reality, but you cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”

Clark

July 30th, 2010
8:30 am

Before the elections there were a bunch of commericals for the candidates. Very few were about the services the government should provide and the serious issues such as water and transportation in the state. Most were about who was the most anti gay and anti abortion. This is because the candidates know that most native Georgians are more concerned with sticking their nose in their neighbors butts than how the gov’t is going to serve them.

Ann Rand

July 30th, 2010
8:31 am

Yes Lee you are correct.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
8:31 am

ANOTHER QUARTER OF POSITIVE GROWTH … annualized GDP for Q2 came in at 2.4% (and Q1 was revised up to 3.7%)

Doggone/GA

July 30th, 2010
8:32 am

Jay – yes, I remember the legality issue from when you first brought this up, but what I don’t really see is why Florida and Alabama have a stake in THAT issue. As long as they are getting the amount of water they would get if the lake didn’t exist, that should take care of their concerns.

It seems to me that this part of GA (I live near Lake Lanier) would be the interested party in what Atlanta can or can’t take from the lake, but not Florida or Alabama.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
8:32 am

That makes 4 quarters of positive growth …

THANK YOU, OBAMA!

Normal

July 30th, 2010
8:35 am

If Georgia secedes fro the Union, will the water be ours then?

I really can’t get this. Millions of dollars will be spent, read thrown away, by the tax parers of Georgia, and the Supreme Court will rule…:Share, Children”. Is there something better to do with that money? Oh, I don’t know…maybe hire new teachers?

This is another revolting developement you got me into, Ollie….

To all y’all…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaC5ohRAjmI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaC5ohRAjmI&feature=related

Normal

July 30th, 2010
8:36 am

Whoops, sorry, I must be seeing double… :D

Don't forget

July 30th, 2010
8:36 am

It’s amazing how often the endangered species act has been used for reasons other than to protect endangered species.

ty webb

July 30th, 2010
8:39 am

“native Georgians are more concerned with sticking their nose in their neighbors butts than how the gov’t is going to serve them.”

yeah…in Midtown.

Ayn Rand

July 30th, 2010
8:40 am

Go to the corner and buy me another carton of Lucky Strikes and a bottle of Jack’s.

And that bimbo who can’t even spell my pen-name right? Have Vinny break her legs.

Keep up the good fight!

July 30th, 2010
8:41 am

Its all a simple Republican formula. They’ve done it in taxes and they can do it here. We cut water use by 10% and magically there is water growth by 25%. We dont need no socialized eurostyle water!

Normal

July 30th, 2010
8:49 am

Normal

July 30th, 2010
8:50 am

Normal

July 30th, 2010
8:52 am

That’s all I have for this subject. Off to yard sales…got a business to feed…

Moderate Line

July 30th, 2010
8:58 am

AmVet

July 30th, 2010
7:52 am

Which generally makes it unsuitable for Republican solutions.
++++++++++++
Georgia had a Democratic Goverernor from 1872 until 2003.

AmVet

July 30th, 2010
9:05 am

ML, you’ll get no quarrel from me on how Georgia politics have been a laughingstock for many years.

Pray for Rain just upped the ante…

Bosch

July 30th, 2010
9:06 am

@@ is right – this is more complicated that the Middle East peace negotiations. I actually understand an inkling of what that’s all about.

And, yes, ty, oysters have feelings too — but I dont’ care about those so much when I’m sucking the little b@stards down my throat.

Bosch

July 30th, 2010
9:06 am

Oh, and spot on Luckovich.

Jay, could you pat him on the back for me today if you see him? Kthx.

Bosch

July 30th, 2010
9:08 am

AmVet,

“you’ll get no quarrel from me on how Georgia politics have been a laughingstock for many years.”

Have you seen that Barnes commercial where he’s slamming the legislature and says something like “how can we get jobs in GA when the whole country is laughing at us?” Cracks me up every time.

Bosch

July 30th, 2010
9:08 am

ML,

“Georgia had a Democratic Goverernor from 1872 until 2003.”

Yeah, funny that. I haven’t been alive that long, but seems like things were going okay in the State until long about that time.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
9:10 am

Bosch – thank Tom Murphy more than any governor – fiscal conservative, yet pretty darned progressive, he did a lot for the state.

Daedalus

July 30th, 2010
9:12 am

More of the same from Governor Curly.

He made millions on side land deals and lucrative tax breaks from the legislature. He is going to the leave the Governor’s mansion with millions in his pockets and head back to Bonaire — or maybe his new extensive holdings in Florida (maybe that’s why he fumbled the water issue).

Meanwhile back in Georgia, he and the GOP have come up with nothing on water, education, transportation, etc., etc., but Sonny got rich and that’s all that a good Republican should focus on.

Happy trails Sonny. Thanks for nothing.

Bosch

July 30th, 2010
9:13 am

USinUK,

Yeah, although I think Murphy was kind of crazy, but I certainly don’t remember things being this screwy in GA when he was around.

And Zell too — don’t forget Zell. I think he had it going on (even if he went a little batsh*t crazy there at the end a little) — hopefully he is enjoying himself again in Young Harris. It’s pretty up there, and quiet, and peaceful…….

Ann Rand

July 30th, 2010
9:13 am

So solly chaps. Barnes will not be your next Guber. The next Guber will be Deal or that woman, Love Handels.

Bosch

July 30th, 2010
9:14 am

“Governor Curly.”

OMG, that is so true – I never thought of it, but he DOES look like Curly.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
9:14 am

Bosch – I’m sure Shirley is a lot happier there than she ever was in DC (no wonder he was cranky all the time – I’m sure she made his life a living hell when he was Senator)

Murphy wasn’t crazy – he was just a good ol’ boy from Bremen -

Bosch

July 30th, 2010
9:18 am

USinUK,

Well, paint me purple, but good ol’ boy from Bremen = a little crazy to me. :-)

Water threads are boring (because nobody understands what the hell is going on– hell, I’ve learned more about this from Jay and you guys) but it’s Friday, let’s talk about food.

jm

July 30th, 2010
9:18 am

Jay, you’re overconfident. If nothing happens, he’s going to turn off the taps. He realizes the howls of protest would then possibly move the bums in the legislative and executive branches to do something.

Scout

July 30th, 2010
9:18 am

Daddy, can you help those folks in Georgia get water ?

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
9:19 am

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
9:22 am

Scout – you seem to have some “daddy issues”

maybe you should seek out professional help.

professional skeptic

July 30th, 2010
9:23 am

And this is what happens when you elect GA Republicans (former Dixiecrats, whatever you may call them) to positions of leadership. They fail to lead. They fail to act. They hate government and governance. Infrastructure diminishes. They’ll fuss with and tweak and reform the tax code 10 different ways from Sunday. But progress on water, transportation, education (i.e. the items of highest importance to the majority of Georgians) fails to happen or is purposefully delayed.

Time wastes away….

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
9:29 am

And Bosch … speaking of food … I wish Paul was here – he’d love this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2010/07/27/ST2010072702964.html

Scout

July 30th, 2010
9:31 am

USinUK:

Look ………….. there goes a mongrel puppy !

newkid

July 30th, 2010
9:32 am

Doggone,
Lanier – like Allatoona, Carters, West Point, and other major lakes in Georgia – was built with the dollars of US taxpayers (from Georgia, Florida, Alabama, and elsewhere within the US) under authority of 1940s federal legislature. Each of those lakes have a set of specific purposes – for which they are to be operated – identified in the federal legislation that gave rise to the lakes. Florida and Alabama are both correct to argue that Lanier and other Georgia lakes cannot be used for significant purposes NOT authorized by the relevant federal legislation unless ‘new’ or ‘changed’ uses of the lakes get authorized under new federal legislation. Florida and Alabama have for years argued that this is especially true if such UNAUTHORIZED uses harm those purposes (and users) for which there is explicit authorization in the original federal legislation. The judge has agreed that Georgia’s water supply uses of Lanier (enabled by the Corps’ operation decisions over the past 30+ years) were largely UNAUTHORIZED. So Florida and Alabama have in fact won that battle in the ‘war’ (unless of course appeals result in a contrary ruling).

Clark

July 30th, 2010
9:32 am

pro skeptic that is because here in the buckle of the bible belt the natives of Georgia think the function of government is to invade and dictate people personal lives not provide services.

Doggone/GA

July 30th, 2010
9:32 am

Just to toss this out, I found a GREAT unsult on another blog: “basks in the glow of his imaginary intelligence”

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

July 30th, 2010
9:33 am

Well, seems to me this is a big bunch of hooey about nothing. We got plenty of water and if we need more we can just pray for it. God won’t let us down. Long as people got enough water for a bath every month or so and to make beer, we’ll be OK. Who cares what happens to the people in Atlanta?

And I don’t want no increase in taxes out of this whole thing. Fees is OK, but not taxes.

Looks like FL and AL got us by the short hairs and are pulling hard. What we need to get us out of this mess is another Tax Cut. And maybe lay off some more teachers. We’ll pull thru.

Have a good Friday everybody.

Soothsayer

July 30th, 2010
9:34 am

Doggone/GA

July 30th, 2010
9:35 am

“The judge has agreed that Georgia’s water supply uses of Lanier (enabled by the Corps’ operation decisions over the past 30+ years) were largely UNAUTHORIZED”

Yep, could be…but on the other hand it seems to me that the CoE has handed GA an argument that the usage over the last 30 years IS “authorized” because the CoE has allowed it to happen for all that time.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

July 30th, 2010
9:35 am

July deadliest month ever in Afghanistan for US forces…

Haven’t heard much out of Code Pink or Cindy Sheehan lately….

Jack

July 30th, 2010
9:37 am

Sonny doesn’t really give a rat’s unowhat about the Lanier water problem. He’s ready to fade away to Jackson Lake where there are fewer problems.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
9:37 am

Scout –

“The hell’s the matter with you? Stupid! We’re all very different people. We’re not Watusi. We’re not Spartans. We’re Americans, with a capital ‘A’, huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We’re the underdog. We’re mutts! Here’s proof: his nose is cold! But there’s no animal that’s more faithful, that’s more loyal, more loveable than the mutt. Who saw “Old Yeller?” Who cried when Old Yeller got shot at the end?”

jsut sayin’

AmVet

July 30th, 2010
9:37 am

Moderate, and lets not forget the mass “white flight” defection from Dems to the Newt the Nut GOP in the 90s. Ineptitude then, ineptitude now.

Bosch, no, I’ve not seen it, but alas, it is humorous and tragic all at the same time!

Cobb County science books, Kennesaw gun laws, 49th in education, Burt Lance, Lynn Westmoreland, Pat Swindall, Nathan Deal, David Scott, Bob Barr, John Oxendine, Ralph Reed, Sidney Dorsey, Creflo Dollar, and on and on and on and on…

Damn, that looks good USinUK!

(Are you married?) (Grin.)

OK, gotta go and be a happy idiot and struggle for the legal tender.

Later all!

Kamchak

July 30th, 2010
9:37 am

Daddy, why does that man try to lure girls with puppies?

Bosch

July 30th, 2010
9:38 am

“basks in the glow of his imaginary intelligence”

Doggone, that’s t-shirt worthy.

USinUK,

Where is that Paul hiding?

Outhouse GoKart

July 30th, 2010
9:38 am

To all the Haters who have been hating and drinking mass quantities of Hater-Aid…Too bad!

The beginning of the end is now insight for Oblunder!!

stands for decibels

July 30th, 2010
9:39 am

UnU, it may be kind of ugly to point this out, but a 63-year-old man who mocks an 11-year-old girl (ok, she turned 12 in July) every day for two months straight likely has something beyond “daddy issues”.

@@

July 30th, 2010
9:39 am

stands:

@@, granted that the Atlanta water supply/sewer system is old an in need of big bucks, and thus not operating as efficiently as it could/should, but was there something specific in the news of late quantifying the degree of waste Up Here?

The state has its water wars, the City of Atlanta has its bidding wars:

You win some, you lose some. And then sometimes you learn you’ve been losing a lot more, for a lot longer, than you ever realized.

Atlanta taxpayers lost almost $3 million Monday when a federal jury found that the city in 2002 illegally steered an airport advertising contract to Clear Channel and a friend of former Mayor Maynard Jackson, Barbara Fouch. Those damages — plus some $11 million from Clear Channel and $3 million more from Fouch — were awarded to businessman Billy Corey, who also bid on the contract.

But most damning was the information that came out about the city’s poor oversight of airport contracts generally — a problem that may have cost Atlantans tens of millions of dollars over the years.–Kyle Wingfield

I can only speculate that jay’s neglect of the issue is because it was Democrats that left the spigot open? Who knows…who cares, right?

I’m off to the gym. Like Bruno, I am officially among the unemployed…voluntary furlough. Enrollment is down…corporate support remains questionable. Something’s gotta give–may as well be me.

Gotta find something to fill the void. More yoga.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
9:40 am

AmVet – doesn’t it, though??? I’m going through a serious craving for nectarines and peaches right now and that sooooooo fits the bill!!

Kam – it started kinda funny, but now it’s getting kinda creepy

Bosch – haven’t seen him at all this week – and I’m soooo saving that link for him!! (made the mister to promise he’d build one for me when we buy our “forever home”)

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
9:41 am

dB – 9:39 … like I said … creepy.

confederate daughter

July 30th, 2010
9:43 am

larry

July 30th, 2010
9:53 am

Daddy……………..why didnt you appear on Dr.Phil like that couple that used to live here.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
9:58 am

@@ – best of luck in finding a new gig -

ty webb

July 30th, 2010
10:02 am

usinuk,
“lighten up francis”

Scout

July 30th, 2010
10:02 am

Kamchak:

“Mongrel” puppies now. Let’s be accurate.

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
10:04 am

points to ty … well done!!

newkid

July 30th, 2010
10:05 am

Doggone,
One could make that argument, but don’t think the judge agrees that Corps actions, while no doubt well-intended, trump federal legislation. Exploring that course is perhaps due diligence, but real progress isn’t likely to be made on that front. At the end of the day ‘re-authorization’, coupled with an agreed modified plan for operating the lake, is where our fate rests. Let’s hope this happens.

ty webb

July 30th, 2010
10:06 am

UsinUk,
one of my all time favorites.

Doggone/GA

July 30th, 2010
10:11 am

Looks like CNN needs to a better proof-reader!

“Bus into the Seine River, Paris (7-29-10) Parking Break Fail”

USinUK

July 30th, 2010
10:11 am

ty – I am old enough to have seen that in the theater when it was released …

Intown

July 30th, 2010
10:17 am

This a good article Jay, except of course, that Magnuson is incorrect about the authorized purposes of Lake Lanier. It’s right there in the Corps’ own reports incorporated by statute. In a fine example of true judicial activism, Magnuson overshot big time and he definitely attacked the wrong side if he wanted to force a deal. AL and FL had nothing to lose before the ruling and can succeed in destroying Georgia’s and Atlanta’s economy by doing nothing after his ruling. Magnuson was polluted by Judge Bowdre and mislead law professors from the start. Hopefully the 11th Circuit will set him straight. If not, we’re all going to pay dearly.

Keep up the good fight!

July 30th, 2010
10:28 am

Ain’t no “mongrels” in Scout’s family…its pure inbreeding. Any more inane comments Scout about your daddy or trying to show your ignorance by making “mongrel” into a racial slur?

Rational Observer

July 30th, 2010
10:40 am

The truly odd thing about scout is that he claims to be a christian.

Dusty

July 30th, 2010
10:43 am

Water, water, everywhere and not a drop to drink!! Perhaps some of you wise people (who appear every morning) can tell Gov. Perdue what to do that he hasn’t done already. LIke what? Make fun of him because he’s a Republican? Yeah, that’s just great and you want a rerun of Barnes who has already flunked out once before? Some people never learn.

USinUK..Never mind preaching to Scout about mongrels. Go preach to Obama. He was the one who called black people mongrels on his TV appearance. Poor guy! Suffers from foot-in-mouth disease.. It gives Rahm the fidgets.

@@, sorry about the job you enjoyed so much. But we can use more of your bright view on this blog. Needs some perkin’ up here!

Finally!! The great solution for helping Atlanta’s water conservation: STOP BATHING! Conserve and keep the inspectors away! Or, if you must, head to southern gulf shores where you can get an oil rub besides a bath! No extra charge. Try it. You’ll like it!!

Soothsayer

July 30th, 2010
10:48 am

Hootinanny Yum Yum

July 30th, 2010
11:09 am

Bill Murray. Stripes. Loved that movie.