Obama administration overreaches in demand for personal data
This effort ought to be stopped dead in its tracks. The answer should be “NO,” “hell no,” or “No, and don’t you dare ask for it again”:
The Obama administration is seeking to make it easier for the FBI to compel companies to turn over records of an individual’s Internet activity without a court order if agents deem the information relevant to a terrorism or intelligence investigation.
The administration wants to add just four words — “electronic communication transactional records” — to a list of items that the law says the FBI may demand without a judge’s approval. Government lawyers say this category of information includes the addresses to which an Internet user sends e-mail; the times and dates e-mail was sent and received; and possibly a user’s browser history. It does not include, the lawyers hasten to point out, the “content” of e-mail or other Internet communication.
But what officials portray as a technical clarification designed to remedy a legal ambiguity strikes industry lawyers and privacy advocates as an expansion of the power the government wields through so-called national security letters. These missives, which can be issued by an FBI field office on its own authority, require the recipient to provide the requested information and to keep the request secret. They are the mechanism the government would use to obtain the electronic records.
If the federal government has a good reason to need such information, it can explain those reasons to a judge. “National security letters” are already widely overused as a means of acquiring personal information without a judicial order. As the Post story points out, “The Justice Department issued 192,500 national security letters from 2003 to 2006, according to a 2008 inspector general report, which did not indicate how many were demands for Internet records. A 2007 IG report found numerous possible violations of FBI regulations, including the issuance of NSLs without having an approved investigation to justify the request.”
The type of authority sought by the Obama administration would allow it to conduct warrantless searches that are forbidden under the Fourth Amendment, and our Founding Fathers would clearly recognize it as an unacceptable encroachment of government power on the individual.
That is, once you explained to them about what a browser is, and what emails are.
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USinUK
July 29th, 2010
9:16 am
Scout – you can have the opinion that the earth is flat and the sun travels around the earth and lima beans taste good – doesn’t make you right.
jewcowboy
July 29th, 2010
9:16 am
USinUK,
“don’t be surprised if the secret service shows up at your door and escort you to take the oath of office …”
Stranger things have happened:
Look up Leonard Peltier…he was convicted in 1977 to two consecutive terms of life imprisonment for the murder of 2 FBI agents in a shootout in 1975, yet was able to run for President in 2004 from prison and garnered 27k votes…
Doggone/GA
July 29th, 2010
9:17 am
“I write letters using snail mail if I want it to be private.”
That’s not the issue. The issue is NO WARRANT. It doesn’t matter how private you WANT your snail mail to be, if the government has reason to believe your correspondence would assist an investigation, and they convince a judge of that…the judge will issue a warrant and your “private” correspondence CAN be read.
The issue HERE, is that they want the power to track your electronic communications WITHOUT A WARRANT.
Lord Help Us
July 29th, 2010
9:19 am
Scout, ‘That’s why we’re here ……… opinions …………. duh!’
Then why did you need to tell others (twice), ‘ in your opinion…’
Methinks, thou knowest not the definition of the word, ‘hypocrite…’
Gammer
July 29th, 2010
9:20 am
They told me if I voted for McCain that warrantless wire tapping of innocent civilians by the government would be rampant and the status quo and they were right!!
Scout
July 29th, 2010
9:20 am
Lord Help Us:
This is really about what Obama is thinking ……….. so what are you thoughts on that?
Doggone/GA
July 29th, 2010
9:20 am
“Methinks, thou knowest not the definition of the word, ‘hypocrite…”
Hey! He makes up his own “facts” – why not his own definitions?
crackbaby
July 29th, 2010
9:21 am
“And yes…we were right in locking up Japanese and placing them in camps during WWII” – Donovan
Hey Donovan, those were Americans the government locked up in internment camps. You haven’t read the Bill of Rights, have you? Or is it just more convenient to ignore it when the folks effected aren’t “your kind”?
jewcowboy
July 29th, 2010
9:23 am
“Or is it just more convenient to ignore it when the folks effected aren’t “your kind”?”
BINGO!
Scout
July 29th, 2010
9:23 am
USinUK:
Thanks a lot. You just ruined my day ……… I ate them for 13 months (when there was nothing else).
Ham and Muthas — More info on C-Rations Yes, the key to understanding the generation of the C-Ration munching GIs, … least liked ration was Ham and Lima Beans (referred to as “Ham and Muthas”)
17thdivision.tripod.com/thepeacethatwasnt/id20.html – Cached – Similar
Lord Help Us
July 29th, 2010
9:23 am
Scout, ‘This is really about what Obama is thinking ……….. so what are you thoughts on that?’
I think he is wrong and worried that the specious ‘weak on terror’ squeal from the right is going to hurt the Dems more in the midterms and he is trying to get in front (and ironically, to the right) of that attach.
Very disappointing…but he was still a better choice than McCain/Palin…In my OPINION!
Bosch
July 29th, 2010
9:23 am
“which is why the gummint should have NO PROBLEM going before a judge to justify a wiretap or access to e-mail”
But, but, by THEN, the whole city of NY could be destroyed – haven’t you EVER seen 24? Geez.
ty webb
July 29th, 2010
9:24 am
“your kind”…shirley, is that you?
Scout
July 29th, 2010
9:25 am
crackbaby :
And the U.S. Supreme Court ruled it was o.k. …………….
Just like they did in Dred Scott and Roe vs. Wade.
Granny Godzilla
July 29th, 2010
9:25 am
Over and over again during and after the passage of the Patriot Act the left pointed out that this was not totally a good idea and that the powers given to the government were dangerous AND we pointed out that those powers would then be in the hands of future Presidents.
The right so blinded by the naive concept of a permanent Republican majority they just laid down and let it happen.
A great case for be careful what you wish for.
Scout
July 29th, 2010
9:26 am
Lord Help Us:
Good first point.
Disagree on the second.
Now this is the kind of exchange we should have instead of personal vitriol.
Just sayin ……………
jewcowboy
July 29th, 2010
9:26 am
Bosch,
“But, but, by THEN, the whole city of NY could be destroyed – haven’t you EVER seen 24? Geez.”
Who cares when it will be destroyed in 2 years anyway along with the rest of the Earth…
JeffyW
July 29th, 2010
9:27 am
WOW, it took until the SECOND post to blame Bush! you’re slipping Atlanta. Look Obama is an A kisser on the international stage, and a real bully at home. I preferred it the other way around. Does anyone really think the Robin Hood/ get evenism tact this administration is taking betters Americas chances of survival in the end? Heck these policies will bankrupt the U.S., there’s no 2 ways about it. And the personal info? Yea, it’s beginning to smell a lot like Venezuela around here. Phonyism and paranoia will do that to a president.
USinUK
July 29th, 2010
9:28 am
JCB – I’d just love for Normal to make the WTSherman speech, “If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve”
ty webb
July 29th, 2010
9:28 am
“I think he is wrong and worried that the specious ‘weak on terror’ squeal from the right is going to hurt the Dems more in the midterms and he is trying to get in front (and ironically, to the right) of that attach.”
ah yes…tis right on the mark. I distinctly remember Obama’s campaign slogan, “Hope…Change…Midterms”!
USinUK
July 29th, 2010
9:30 am
Scout – 9:23 – you missed yesterday’s discussion about gummint cheese, lima beans, black-eyed pea sammiches, and tuna casserole
Scout
July 29th, 2010
9:30 am
Doggone/USinUK:
Would you like to take a shot at this?
“This is really about what Obama is thinking ……….. so what are you thoughts on that?”
Scout
July 29th, 2010
9:30 am
USinUK:
Good !
MPercy
July 29th, 2010
9:31 am
Granny, I argue against the PATRIOT act, as did other libertarians like Bob Barr. But before you get all smug (oops, too late) you are certainly aware of the facts, right?
One of the most “Bushy” bills–at least in the minds of the left–the PATRIOT Act, passed 99-1 in the Senate and 357-66 in the House. The most recent renewal was passed just this Feb. The House passed a one-year reauthorization of the Patriot Act 315-97, just one day after the Senate moved the bill on a late-evening unanimous voice vote.
Get that? *Unanimous* voice vote in the Senate, overwhelming majority in the House. And who do you want to blame? Bush–who was President and who signed the original law, but it was Congress with huge Democrat support, that passed the original Bill, and a Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid Congress that has passed two renewals of same with nary a change to major provisions of the bill.
Lord Help Us
July 29th, 2010
9:32 am
Scout, ‘Now this is the kind of exchange we should have instead of personal vitriol.’
Then stop being such a schmuck, acknowledge I am wiser, and kneel before my alter (’and then he bowed…)
Just kiddin’…
USinUK
July 29th, 2010
9:32 am
Scout – 9:30 – since I don’t know what Obama is thinking, I really can’t comment
mm
July 29th, 2010
9:33 am
Obama has some really bad advisors.
ty webb
July 29th, 2010
9:34 am
UsinUK,
(re: 9:32)Come on, didn’t you get the memo? When in doubt…”Inherited”.
USinUK
July 29th, 2010
9:35 am
ty – you know, I gave up mindreading for Lent – since then, my mad mindreading skillz have been for crap.
Doggone/GA
July 29th, 2010
9:36 am
“Would you like to take a shot at this?”
No. I flunked mind reading in grade school
Scout
July 29th, 2010
9:37 am
USinUK:
Now, now ………. you know that most of our opinions on here are about what someone else thinks.
You’re no fun.
Remember ……… “actions speak louder than words”
Out for awhile ……….. everyone be nice.
Doggone/GA
July 29th, 2010
9:37 am
“And who do you want to blame? Bush–who was President and who signed the original law”
Nailed it in one. Yes, Bush signed it. If he’d vetoed it, and Congress then passed it over his vetoe – then the blame would be on Congress. But Bush signed it, he’s responsible for it’s becoming a law.
ty webb
July 29th, 2010
9:38 am
UsinUK,
no need to read obama’s mind, simply get the transcript off the teleprompter.(sorry, couldn’t resist)
jewcowboy
July 29th, 2010
9:38 am
JeffyW,
“WOW, it took until the SECOND post to blame Bush! ”
WOW, another person who seems to think history started on Jan. 21, 2009.
StJ
July 29th, 2010
9:39 am
This looks suspiciously like a Bob Barr op-ed. I think Bob needs to update his security software.
As far as warrantless searches go….this surprises you? The goverment has been ignoring the Constitution for years.
USinUK
July 29th, 2010
9:41 am
I’ve never big a huge fan of the Barr-ster, but I’ve always applauded his stand against gummint intrusion on our civil liberties
ken R
July 29th, 2010
9:41 am
Normal, Ben Franklin is dead and he lived in a totally different time than we do. I personally would like to see cameras posted on major corners looking for evil people.
I have thought and I will say it again, I have nothing to hide, do you?
When we travel to Mexico, Aruba England and other places we go thru customs as we do when we re-enter the US and we get asked for proof all the time, I don’t have a problem with the AZ law also.
There are good people from all over the World who have been waiting for years to come to this country and yet we have all kinda of MORONS who think only Mexicans should have a right to be here and that it’s ok for them to be here illegally.
Bosch
July 29th, 2010
9:41 am
“Now, now ………. you know that most of our opinions on here are about what someone else thinks.”
No, Scout – that’s just you.
El Jefe
July 29th, 2010
9:42 am
Face the facts. Progressives know better than the common man what they need and want. The Elite can do better for us than we can for ourselves.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Power
Bosch
July 29th, 2010
9:43 am
USinUK,
“I’ve never big a huge fan of the Barr-ster, but I’ve always applauded his stand against gummint intrusion on our civil liberties”
Since he got out of the guvmint himself and championed his eight year campaign to impeach Clinton – I’ve found myself agreeing with him more and more and think to myself a shower is in order.
@@
July 29th, 2010
9:43 am
Well, jay, there’s necessary measures taken to prevent a real terrorist attack, and then there’s media wars launched to protect Obama.
Jonathan Zasloff, a law professor at UCLA, suggested that the federal government simply yank Fox off the air. “I hate to open this can of worms,” he wrote, “but is there any reason why the FCC couldn’t simply pull their broadcasting permit once it expires?”
And so a debate ensued. Time’s Scherer, who had seemed to express support for increased regulation of Fox, suddenly appeared to have qualms: “Do you really want the political parties/white house picking which media operations are news operations and which are a less respectable hybrid of news and political advocacy?”
But Zasloff stuck to his position. “I think that they are doing that anyway; they leak to whom they want to for political purposes,” he wrote. “If this means that some White House reporters don’t get a press pass for the press secretary’s daily briefing and that this means that they actually have to, you know, do some reporting and analysis instead of repeating press releases, then I’ll take that risk.”
Scherer seemed alarmed. “So we would have press briefings in which only media organizations that are deemed by the briefer to be acceptable are invited to attend?”
John Judis, a senior editor at the New Republic, came down on Zasloff’s side, the side of censorship. “Pre-Fox,” he wrote, “I’d say Scherer’s questions made sense as a question of principle. Now it is only tactical.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/liberal-journalists-suggest-government-shut-down-fox-news/2/#ixzz0v5auJ4fe
Maybe the Obama administration is taking measures to protect his left-wing terrorists within the media. Wouldn’t want their plan of attack getting out for all the voters to see.
I wouldn’t worry too much if I were you. You’re not among the left-wing media terrorists nor are you on their hit list. So what’re you afraid of?
Bosch
July 29th, 2010
9:44 am
“Progressives know better than the common man what they need and want. The Elite can do better for us than we can for ourselves.”
Glad to see you agree my friend.
jewcowboy
July 29th, 2010
9:44 am
ken R,
“I personally would like to see cameras posted on major corners looking for evil people.”
How about having the webcam on your laptop tied into government surveillance since you’ve nothing to hide…your bedroom…your bathroom?
USinUK
July 29th, 2010
9:45 am
ken – “yet we have all kinda of MORONS who think only Mexicans should have a right to be here and that it’s ok for them to be here illegally”
you do realize a lot of those “morons” are in your party with the Guest Worker programs, don’t you?
“When we travel to Mexico, Aruba England and other places we go thru customs as we do when we re-enter the US and we get asked for proof all the time”
the AZ law wasn’t about that – the AZ law was about police stopping people at random and asking for their papers – and making it a criminal offense if you didn’t carry your papers with you at all times.
that doesn’t happen in Aruba, England or Mexico
Lord Help Us
July 29th, 2010
9:45 am
‘WOW, another person who seems to think history started on Jan. 21, 2009.’
I give thee proof that history did not begin on Jan. 21, 2009…and that it repeats itself…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYqF_BtIwAU&feature=related
jewcowboy
July 29th, 2010
9:45 am
ElJefe,
“Progressives know better than the common man what they need and want. The Elite can do better for us than we can for ourselves.”
It seems as if you are a bit confused…May I introduce you to the Republican Party…
barking frog
July 29th, 2010
9:46 am
the only difference is that no warrant is required. why do we think that judges are
impartial. law enforcement routinely get warrants by telephone and even after
intrusions. A judge is part of the government just the same as the enforcers.
if it is a critical situation why delay.
Doggone/GA
July 29th, 2010
9:46 am
“I personally would like to see cameras posted on major corners looking for evil people”
But that’s not the issue. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy in a public place. There IS a reasonable expectation of privacy in your home and in your communications.
Would you like to see call monitors installed that recorded every phone number you dialed?
Kamchak
July 29th, 2010
9:47 am
Bosch
Did you attend the Man. City/Club America game at the Dome last p.m.?
Bosch
July 29th, 2010
9:47 am
“looking for evil people.”
I wonder, do these cameras looking for evil people have some kind of “this is an evil person” program, or do they just look for people who look like Cheney?
Granny Godzilla
July 29th, 2010
9:47 am
MPercy
In all my smugiliciousness I never mentioned Bush.
I use the word naive and YOU thought Bush.
El Jefe
July 29th, 2010
9:48 am
sarcasm is so hard with a blog
Bosch
July 29th, 2010
9:48 am
Kamchak,
Nope, didn’t make it. Forgot all about it actually. I did watch Manchester United and the MLS Allstar game though.
Kevin
July 29th, 2010
9:48 am
Oh, Jay, it’s so cute and charming when you talk about the Fourth Amendment, and what our Founding Fathers would clearly recognize as an unacceptable encroachment of government power on the individual.
You generally favor said encroachments.
jewcowboy
July 29th, 2010
9:48 am
@@ 9.43,
Just out of curiosity…did you read all of the email from that listserv thread or did you just read what that article?
USinUK
July 29th, 2010
9:50 am
Bosch – 9:41 – ON. THE. MONEY!!!
and I’ll never understand why people seem to think that “the elite” is some kind of slam. to me, that spoke volumes about what kind of person Gingrich was when he made the “cultural elite” an insult – what? he thinks the country will be a better place if we all watch wrestling, listen to Hank and line dance?
it’s people like that (and like a certain unnamed president who made fun of people who received a PhD) who lower the bar – who make underachievment a badge of success – that will be the death of the country. not the people who want to learn, who want to expand their horizons, who want to be inspired.
@@
July 29th, 2010
9:51 am
jay, not that I care about what happens in Atlanta, but I would think you and Cynthia would.
While you’ve got your squirrels pinned down over here, Kyle’s covering a story about how Atlanta’s city officials are either losing or stealing their nuts.
A left-wing battle strategy? Defensive or offensive?
Bosch
July 29th, 2010
9:53 am
USinUK @ 9:50 –
Yes, call me a snob, but I’d much rather my President being a Harvard grad than a beauty queen. Just saying.
Lord Help Us
July 29th, 2010
9:54 am
USinUK, ‘the country will be a better place if we all watch wrestling, listen to Hank and line dance?’
Uh Oh…In addition to these things, I am also kind of partial to tractor pulls, huntin’, fishin’, and working on the cars up on blocks in my front yard…
I know, I don’t fit the ideological stereotype…
@@
July 29th, 2010
9:55 am
cowboy:
Just out of curiosity…did you read all of the email from that listserv thread or did you just read what that article?
Is ^^^ that an unfinished sentence?
jewcowboy
July 29th, 2010
9:55 am
Bosch,
“Yes, call me a snob, but I’d much rather my President being a Harvard grad than a beauty queen. Just saying.”
Can’t we have both?
USinUK
July 29th, 2010
9:55 am
Bosch – 9:53 – I hear ya.
critical thinking skills beats baton twirling in the talent competition every time for me, too …
ty webb
July 29th, 2010
9:55 am
I believe the correct pronunciation is “rassling”…you elites just have no idea.
Don't forget
July 29th, 2010
9:55 am
I don’t think this would survive a court challenge and I don’t see a reasonable justification for it either.
neo-Carlinist
July 29th, 2010
9:56 am
all due respect, Bob Barr has been ranting (in his own wonderful way). but concerns about personal privacy (re: FBI) is at best moot, at worst, Quixotic. here’s a homework assignment for all Americans. go to amazon.com or your local library and pick up a copy of The Puzzle Palace by James Bamford (1983). the government has been snooping and listening and monitoring Americans since the 1950’s. as my lord and savior and other bloggers have said; “…power does what it wants…” that’s Bush, Obama, Nixon, Clinton, Kennedy… maybe the solution is for ALL Americans to put JIHAD or INFIDEL in the subject or text of every email sent. I bet some NSA analyst or CIA spook is checking me out right now.
Bosch
July 29th, 2010
9:56 am
ty,
I know, I know, it’s so beneath us.
Normal
July 29th, 2010
9:56 am
I didn’t know Republicans were progressive
barking frog
July 29th, 2010
9:57 am
USinUK 9:50 LET. THEM. EAT. CAKE.
USinUK
July 29th, 2010
9:57 am
LHU – you are evidently on of Gingrich’s chosen ones while I am part of the “chaff” (sorry … I like BBC’s coverage of The Proms … and Edith Wharton … and the ballet)
American today, tomorrow who knows!
July 29th, 2010
9:57 am
What Constitution? Our Constitution is a joke to most in Washington who do what they want, when they want and how they want. If in November you dont vote them out then we will no longer be Americans but whatever country wants to take us over. Probably Mexico since they have a free rein into Arizona and California which the federal government (Constitution DEMANDS Border security) and Obama seem to want to make bigger.
I give up with the corruption and saying NO makes no difference. They do what they want. See all of you in November when I say NO NO NO.
The Thin Guy
July 29th, 2010
9:58 am
When I saw the teaser I thought this would be about Øbungle’s appearance on The View. Just think, he sat in the same chair Ashley Dupre´ sat. But when you give Ashley $ 5k you get something for your money. Don’t care about anyone tracking my visits to political, porn, science, history, art, etc web sites. But please leave my bank account alone. I need the money to buy arugula.
USinUK
July 29th, 2010
9:59 am
barking – you’re sooooo not hip. Whoopie Pies and Macaroons are all the rage these days …
jewcowboy
July 29th, 2010
9:59 am
@@,
“Is ^^^ that an unfinished sentence?”
Apologies…trying to multitask…which means doing neither task very well…
“Just out of curiosity…did you read all of the emails from that listserv thread or did you just read that article you posted?”
Meaning, did you read every email from the listserv to garner their context, or did you just read the article you posted?
ken R
July 29th, 2010
9:59 am
Usink,
Please read the AZ law, the police cannot stop anyone and ask them for their papers, they can only do this if they are caught breaking the law. If you would watch Fox news you may learn the truth, this should bring some comments. lol
Jewcowboy,
I don’t think the Gov’t. asked for cameras in my bedroom or bathroom, please don’t go paranoid on us, also after watching my mellow life they would turn them off.
USinUK
July 29th, 2010
10:00 am
ty – 9:55 –
AmVet
July 29th, 2010
10:00 am
Today’s quasi-fascists – in both the Tweedledee and Tweedledum Parties – are repulsive traitors in my view.
Illegal spying on Americans by the very corporate criminals who fund their toadies dirty campaigns.
Sanctioned torture from the pinnacle of our government and advocated by a thuggish and gutless little man with the last name of Cheney. Which for you willfully uninformed got the good old USA – for the first time EVER – added to the list of countries that do so, like Korea, Iran, etc. You should be proud.
The Nazi-like suspension of the most sacred of all American liberties – habeus corpus. And as josef noted last night, 99% of you cons don’t even know what it is nor the implications thereof.
Gitmo. George’s version of the Hanoi Hilton, kept open by his Republican nephew, Barry.
All culminated with morons who want to make the Patriot Act PERMANENT.
And Peadawg and JeffW want to, in ostrich-like fashion, give the criminal Bush administration a free pass for all of it.
Why I will never begin to fathom…
Jose
July 29th, 2010
10:02 am
Just another reason why independents, whites, and some democrats will be voting differently in 2010 & 2012. And the polls support what I am saying. November ‘10 is sizing up to be a bloodbath for dems.
barking frog
July 29th, 2010
10:02 am
Palin-Bush 2012.
jewcowboy
July 29th, 2010
10:02 am
ken R,
“I don’t think the Gov’t. asked for cameras in my bedroom or bathroom, please don’t go paranoid on us”
No, they did not…they want unwarranted intrusion into something more intimate…
ty webb
July 29th, 2010
10:02 am
What? no “neo con”?
Jose
July 29th, 2010
10:04 am
Oh yeah, concerning the AZ Law, the WH won one battle yesterday but, will lose the war. When is goes to the high court AZ will win 5-4 and even Kagan can not stop it. Not to mention the political war that Obama will lose because of his administration ignoring the issue.
USinUK
July 29th, 2010
10:04 am
ken – the judge struck down the provision that allowed a warrantless arrest of someone that they suspected of being illegal and the criminalization of failure to carry papers.
Jose
July 29th, 2010
10:05 am
Barkin, that ticket looks a hell of alot better then what is running us into the ground now.
jewcowboy
July 29th, 2010
10:05 am
Jose,
“And the polls support what I am saying. November ‘10 is sizing up to be a bloodbath for dems.”
Ummm…did I miss where the Republican Party came out against the Patriot Act and un-warranted spying on American citizens?
Jose
July 29th, 2010
10:06 am
Jew, Ummmm, did I miss the Republicans coming out against the Patriot Act? There may have been fractions that did but, overall they supported it. My point is he is losing the base of his votes he can not afford to lose.
barking frog
July 29th, 2010
10:08 am
Jose; Jeb is denying it as we speak. that almost assures it to happen.
jewcowboy
July 29th, 2010
10:09 am
Jose,
“My point is he is losing the base of his votes he can not afford to lose.”
I could be wrong, and quite often I am, but somehow I doubt seriously this is the issue that would cause Democrats to lose support.
USinUK
July 29th, 2010
10:10 am
Palin-Bush 2012.
ohpleez-ohpleez-ohpleez-ohpleez-ohpleez
Normal
July 29th, 2010
10:11 am
peeing bush, 2012
stands for decibels
July 29th, 2010
10:12 am
There may have been fractions that did
And I’ve had it in for ½ and ¼ ever since. Filthy pigs.
/drive-by
USinUK
July 29th, 2010
10:12 am
if Jeb Bush runs, I’ve got 2 words for you:
Terry.
Schaivo.
buh-bye Bush.
barking frog
July 29th, 2010
10:14 am
With jay gone critical on Obama will CT follow? Kyle,Bob, and Jim are a sure thing.
could this issue unite the AJC opinionators?
Jose
July 29th, 2010
10:15 am
Jew, I beg to differ, he is going to lose some dem votes just Like McCain lost some Republican votes due to Bush. Even if he loses the Independents he can not win in 2012. The Independents are needed for both sides and right now every poll has them at over 50% not voting democrat. Not good.
Saul Good
July 29th, 2010
10:15 am
“Palin-Bush 2012.”
Actually… I think Palin-Handel would be a better ticket. I mean if Handel can learn ANYTHING from Palin…. It’s how to QUIT and then cash in by being a rock filled head blowhard:
First Handel can become Governor… then a few months into it she can quit….then she can go and make millions by having someone else pen a book for her and become part of Fox.
Then she and Palin can go 24/7 about how the MSM was so cruel to them by asking them “tough” questions…like what Newspapers they read.
Funny thing is….if Handel is asked what Newspapers she reads… if she says the AJC…she’ll be condemned for that (since we all know that the AJC is a Communist Rag)
I think her best response should be; The “Weekly Reader”… it’s right on both of their comprehension levels… well I at least HOPE it is!
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July 29th, 2010
10:15 am
jewcowboy:
Meaning, did you read every email from the listserv to garner their context, or did you just read the article you posted?
It’s an exclusive club. I’m not allowed in. The fact that left-wingers would even suggest shutting down the opposition is what should have you worried. Obviously it doesn’t. It’s all in good fun, right?
jewcowboy
July 29th, 2010
10:16 am
barking frog,
“could this issue unite the AJC opinionators?”
The FIVE horsemen of the apocalypse?
Jose
July 29th, 2010
10:16 am
CT will NEVER go negative on Obama. It is a “pride” thing. There I said it. Prove me wrong.
AmVet
July 29th, 2010
10:16 am
Jose, do you really know what the term bloodbath means?
You are aware of the past two, I presume.
A ZERO for 36 in 2006 by the GOP. Now that sir is a BLOODBATH. A kind of political reverse Joe Dimaggio record that will NEVER be broken.
But to their credit the neo-cons did have a huge rally in 2008 and only lost 35 out of 41 races. A slightly less embarrassing BLOODBATH.
So for you mathematically challenged that is a combines 93% LOSING RATIO.
And you cons are not remotely embarrassed.
Good times…
RW-(the original)
July 29th, 2010
10:17 am
if Jeb Bush runs, I’ve got 2 words for you:
Terry.
Schaivo.
Yes, because making sure the facts are all in before allowing someone to be forced into death by starvation is just so wrong.
/sarc
//drive by
Big D
July 29th, 2010
10:18 am
When the dust from the mushroom cloud settles and the body count from the Bio- attack has been tallied, the same people here”bitching”( I’m sorry giving their opinion) , with be the same ones that will be crying and demanding to know why” we didn’t do more to prevent this”. These will be the same people who said to hell with closing the border. As much as I can’t stand Obama I can’t say I disagree with him on this. I’m smart enough to know “what I don’t know”.