Newt Gingrich has become, frankly, a hate-mongering bigot

There is no such thing as grudging respect. You respect something or you do not. And I guess I missed it but where is the bigotry. To say many muslims want to harm us? To say that many Arabs want to harm us?

Tell you what. Lets build a Jewish synagogue in Iran, and see how that works. I remember during the flag debate, liberals were all over symbolism. Any evidence of life before the Civil War had to be erased, and one was the devil himself if he dared say he was proud of his heritage. This is all about symbolim, not about bigotry.

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Newt?

Next he’ll want to bar hibachi grills and beirgartens.

Goofball.

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Newt the Bush /Cheney reboot

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‘Gingrich is a hate-mongering bigot’ falls into the ‘Water is wet’ category.

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booger,

“Lets build a Jewish synagogue in Iran, and see how that works. ”

So now America is on the same level of freedom as Iran…wow…that is what our ancestors fought and died for…for the US to lower itself to the level of Iran.

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Jewcowboy,

“O villain, villain, smiling, damned villain!”

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ty webb

July 28th, 2010
12:28 pm

ty,
Both sides play that game…nice try, though.

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Granny Godzilla,
Master Bookman has taught you well. Or is it Sensei Bookman?

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All together now…

My side’s better’n your side,
my side’s better’n yours…

My side’s happier, ‘n cleaner, ‘n holier than your side….
My side’s better’n yours…..

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You should read what comes after “let me be clear” in one of Obama’s hourly speeches if you really want to see baloney.

Later

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jewcowby
@12:35pm
Took the words off my keyboard!!

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newts are characterised by a frog-like body with four equal sized limbs and a distinct tail.

His parents had no choice…

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ty webb,

“I guess you could apply that to newt, depending on your perspective.”

Well, considering the quote marks Hamlet’s descent into madness, real or feigned, and his onslaught to revenge, I had rather thought it was particularly appropriate for Newt.

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I remember the bumper sticker on my Aunt’s car. “Scooot Newt”

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TGT,

From your link, “Before anyone is allowed to build anything in connection with Ground Zero, the American people deserve to have all their questions answered, and the survivors of 9/11 deserve to know that their loved ones’ memories will be treated with honor.”

So exactly how far out does Ground Zero stretch?

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Seems to me it’s not much different compared to us “yankees” moving down south..most of all when the majority of us had no ancestors here in the USA during the Civil War… last I recall…this was ALL the USA…and even there near ground zero…there’s a little thing provided to us all called “Freedom of Religion”….

What’s the problem? Are the very one’s who keep shouting: “let’s take back our country” and “we need to get back to our Constitution” refusing to uphold that very same document?

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booger,

“Lets build a Southern Heritage museum next door to the MLK center. ”

If they own they land…and can pay for it…why not?

“I guess the theme here is that anyone who opposes this mosque is a bigot.”

If you oppose it because it is a mosque…yes…it makes you a bigot…if you oppose it for land use purposes or traffic counts etc…not you would not be a bigot.

“This would mean the majority of New Yorkers are bigots as well.”

Duh. We are all…

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The unbecoming Newt is becoming difficult to differentiate from Rush. With his inability to answer any questions regarding proof that the center is to be funded by those “hostile to our civilization”, without any explanation as to why Mayor Bloomberg and New York Attorney General Cuomo support the building of the center, I surmise that this a Newt knee jerk reaction. Given an association test with the words ground zero and mosque, Newt responds with “terrorist”. So much for the Newter Gender.

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Can someone explain to me the problem with an Islamic center in the 9/11 ground zero area. So what?

Thanks.

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jewcomboy: “So exactly how far out does Ground Zero stretch?”

According to the talibangelicals and “moral warriors” of our nation…from sea to shining sea.

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larry,

“When did 2 city blocks become right next to something?”

The knee bone is connected to the shin bone, the shin bone is connected to the foot bone….

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It’s Bushes fault, he thought Afghanistan and OBL were in Iraq…the dummy!

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theyeshaveit,

“I surmise that this a Newt knee jerk reaction. ”

I misread this at first. I thought you wrote, “Newt jerk reaction”.

I think we have a new term…

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who the hell is going to vote for a pot bellied man with five chins, who dumps his wife on her deatbed?

Scout?
Ty?
@@?
RW?
Booger?

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“Any grudging respect I once held for the man is now gone”

You’re more tolerant than I am. I’ve never had any respect for him, and as I’ve said before…one of the most frightening things I’ve ever heard a politician say was when he said, on an interview on NPR that “More people should be like me”

God forbid

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TGT

July 28th, 2010
12:45 pm

Too slanted toward Christianity and therefore invalid to me. Bottom line, if you ban one place of worship in this country, you must ban them all. That, my friend, is America!

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So this is what passes for an editorial these days? You’ve sunk down to Cynthia’s level Bookman –

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I had Newt as a professor at West Georgia, where I had a chance to see an actual,NeoCon transformation, from “liberal” Democrat, 180° to tight-fisted, withholding Republican, when a convenient seat opened up, and the prevailing political winds seemed beneficial. At his weekly card game with friends, he reportedly cheated, regularly and badly, a habit extended to all of his (now ex) wives. Greedy ambition virtually defines this sociopath, whose identity problems from his tumultuous past dog him with a vengeance until yet. Newt actually created the current paralytic acrimony in our government at the birth of CSPAN, spewing seamless vitriol against opponents to an empty house chamber during dinner hours. “Go negative early” he cajoled his colleagues, with his black political skulduggery dovetailing nicely with Karl Rove’s brilliant re-working of Goebbels, Stalin and Mussolini’s time-tested techniques, updated with tweaked and digitized Atwater push-poll exercises.
What a demonic team! There has never been a better one at what they do, and a national propaganda network at their disposal makes things tres-efficient.

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Peaceful Republicans, pls refudiate the disgraced ex-Speaker if you believe catastrophic pain caused @ Twin Towers site is too raw, too real.

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papa : “People of the Muslim faith and culture killed thousands and destroyed the twin towers.”

I mean… really? Do you know how far I can go with that??? I can easily start with Iraq.

I guess that because Bush was a “christian” and was the leader having the final authorization/power to start a war after congress approved it….we can say that it was the “christian faith and culture” that invaded Iraq and killed hundreds of thousands.

Freedom of Religion defined by most republicans: Christians and Jews can worship freely and build any shrine they want…. others need not apply.

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So where is the $100 million coming from?

Where does ANY 100 million dollar mega church come from?

the weak minded and brainwashed.

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Newt’s a very smart man who has vision that is lacking in most of today’s politicians. I wish he would leave this cultural crap alone and stick to issues that matter.

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All yawl peacemongers hating on newtee!

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godless heathen,

Mr. Magoo had vision (albeit myopic) that most folks don’t have, too.

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Normal,

I was listening to the NPR interview with incoming BP CEO Bob Dudley this morning, and for some reason I was struck by the civility of the interview. Strong with important questions, certainly not a puff piece, but there was a general level of politeness that struck me.

So unlike much of what you get now, when the aim of the the reporter is to bend the interview to a narrative they wish to advance and so antagonistic. Quite refreshing.

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Saul
Your point makes no sense. It was the United States that went to war with Iraq, along with several other countries. Are you actually saying the United States is a christian country. You would be right, but I don,t think you would want to be. Again, why there despite the controversy. What do the proponents hope to achieve? All values have reasonable limits to the extent they can be abused.

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obama should have newt jailed.

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jewcowboy@1:18 pm,

I still have a “bush quote generator” on my google home page when I log into my browser… there’s simply too many to post…if I did…the AJC would crash and those who call Obama the “teleprompter” would have to go back to the forums/blogs on Fox and talk to themselves. I mean…you know how NOT FUN it is for them to be talking gibberish among those they can’t lash out to when shown the “truth” and/or facts… They NEED that name calling “out” when proven wrong and they have no evidence or fact to back up their Fox Generated talking points… it’s like talking to one’s self…i mean that’s only entertaining for so long.

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I’m sure actual Manhattanites — you know, the folks who live and work in the borough where this building is to be erected? — really appreciate hearing from Newt on this.

(and Sarah too. I think her approvals are slightly higher than the Ebola virus, there.)

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Outhouse GoKart said All yawl peacemongers hating on newtee!

Nah. It is, God willing, just a little Crusade.

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“You are part of what is wrong with this country. A towel loving muslim
you sob.”

Wow, someone needs to lay off the caffeine and Glen Beck.

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papagrump: “Are you actually saying the United States is a christian country.”

No…I’m not…that was my point…but trust me…I can find and post THOUSANDS of quotes and pages from people (including politicians) who say that this IS a “christian” nation….

I mean…I’ll simply start with YOU : “You would be right”…

America: Muslims, Pagans, Hindus, Hare Krishna’s, etc… YOU ARE ALL WELCOME to set up your cults…TAX free (well except for Pagans I think… that’s kinda sad…just another “human created” religion)….

papa…if you can allow christians to build NEAR where the Twin Towers once stood…then why not ANY human created religion? Or…would you prefer to “strike” : Freedom of Religion from our Constitution and laws of the land? because if you get to do that…I get to also take my sharpie and cross out some stuff…deal?

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Palin/Gingrich – 2012

A match made in ________ (fill in the blank with appropriate locale).

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godless,

You could have written that on the back of a postage stamp. But Dubya, well, his gaffs are encyclopedic in comparison.

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Rick DeNeve,

“You are part of what is wrong with this country. A towel loving muslim
you sob.”

And you are evidently so much part of what is “right” with it…

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“A Southern Heritage Museum at the MLK site? The MLK Center IS a Southern Heritage Site”

Now, now…of course you’re correct, but we just KNOW that he didn’t have the courage to say what he MEANT: a CONFEDERATE Heritage museum next to the MLK museum.

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I don’t know about the racist or bigot stuff but do know this: Newt is no intellectual. We need to retire the idea.

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Jay, I wonder how many times he said FRANKLY my love I’m not having an affair to his wife?

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“to his wife?”

wives, don’t you mean? Isn’t he currently on his third?

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“That’s a serious charge, and neither Gingrich nor anyone else has provided any evidence whatsoever that it is true. With inflammatory remarks of this sort, Gingrich makes Joe McCarthy look measured and responsible.”

And since you so conveniently failed to also provide evidence to the contrary, you are in the same boat. How about proving him wrong before sentencing him…………….

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“How about proving him wrong before sentencing him…………….”

Nope, sorry…it doesn’t work that way. He made the accusation, let’s see his evidence. Otherwise, you’ll have to prove me wrong when I say you murdered that woman who disappeared last week. Come on, prove you didn’t.

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Josef: “For the love of G-d! There are plenty of synagogues in Iran. The Irani Jews are a long established part of the Persian culture…yes, they have been under a great deal of stupid persecution under the current regime and I’m not at all out to defend that pack of lunatics, but the Iranian people do not have a tradition of anti-Semitism.”

yes… I lived in Great Neck, NY (on LOOOG GUYLAND) for part of my youth… I also lived there when I first left NYC after getting married…it is THE Persian Jew Capitol of the East Coast.

Know what I learned from them? How forward thinking and SMART most Iranians are (not just the Persian Jews)… it’s sad that most here in the US think they are camel riding cave dwellers in Iran… yet they are truly one of the most Westernized cultures in the Middle East…and NO…not all of them agree with their leaders…

Seems to me… not all of OUR citizens agree with our leader as well.

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Judge blocks key portions of AZ law: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_arizona_immigration

Yes! Along with gay marriage and radical Islam, let’s make the HUGELY popular AZ law even more of a significant topic for the fall election!

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I do not believe for a minute that Newt is a genuine hate-mongering bigot. He is, however, an amoral hate-mongering OPPORTUNIST looking for an opening to exploit the weakest of human emotion, fear, for his own political gain. He knows fear and reason cannot coexist, so maybe his plan is to keep Republican primary voters so off-balance they won’t think about the unfortunate personal baggage he’s been carrying around, a cynical ploy he calls “leadership”.

The first poster got it right. The guy really is a d-bag.

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And speaking of hate — suck it all you immigrant haters — the feds won the lawsuit.

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A mind can be so open that it actually cannot contain anything. Does a country need to be attacked in a very defined moment or event before a liberal will react in it’s defense. You can see the heart attack, but not the cancer. Is their anything about America that is worth defending. If so, how would you do it? All things deemed as “rights” and “freedoms” in this country are usually extrapolated by those would use them only as tools destroy the said same rights and freedoms.

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Saul,

Yes, most of the Iranian Jews had to bail on their country with the revolution in 1979. Lest we forget, Iran is not an Arab country and its language, Farsi, is a member of the Indo-European language family.

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Whoa there Bosch: “U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton ruled that those sections should be put on hold until the courts resolve the issues.”

It’s not a victory yet.

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The first poster got it right. The guy really is a d-bag.

A handy tip for times like this, when the correct terminology is critical: Jay’s Blog Bluenose is ok with “douchebag.”

And speaking of hate — suck it all you immigrant haters — the feds won the lawsuit.

Dear me. Where is #1 FOXY LADY when you need her?

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Uh, no Bosch, the feds didn’t win the AZ lawsuit. They got a temporary INJUNCTION until the legality is settled.

And the issue of whether a state has the right to trump Federal law was specifically NOT settled in the ruling today. Everything was just pushed upstairs.

Nice try, though.

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“Nope, sorry…it doesn’t work that way. ”

Actually, it does work that way or it is known as a “he said she said”.

And Jay, that piece doesn’t prove anything other than you think the gentleman is legit.

Proof – not opinion – from you and Newt.

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Paint the horse anyway you like. Bottom line is all the spewing of nastiness will still not change the fact that Obama is gonna cost the Dems dearly.

tee hee.

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papagrump

July 28th, 2010
1:51 pm

So what would you do? Restrict those “rights and freedoms”, in order to preserve them? Do we really need another witch hunt in this country?

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“the feds won the lawsuit.”

Actually four sections of the law were put on hold until courts resolve the issue. It will probably go to the Supreme Court.

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THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE IS VERY, VERY NAIVE!

THE IMAM OF THIS MOSQUE WANTS TO IMPLEMENT SHARIA LAW IN THE U.S…..AS STATED IN THE BOOKS HE HAS WRITTEN.

SHARIA LAW STATES THAT:

THERE CAN BE NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
THERE IS NO SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT IS THE STANDARD.

TO READ MORE ABOUT WHAT SHARIA LAW IS, GOOGLE: TOP TEN REASONS WHY SHARIA IS BAD FOR ALL SOCIETIES.

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And Bosch, if it were xenophobia, I’d agree with you.

But since it is about the rule of law, it’s still an open question.

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“And speaking of hate — suck it all you immigrant haters — the feds won the lawsuit.”

Ah, such tolerant language from Mr Boschie…………..

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“Dear me. Where is #1 FOXY LADY when you need her?”

I’m channeling her.

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md,

I’m not a tolerant person. I just play one on TV.

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16 years ago it was patently obvious that Newt the Nut was complete slimeball. Why wouldn’t he be an even bigger one now?

Oh that’s right! He found religion!

He should be waterboarded. Just for the entertainment value…

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Per the AZ law – either way, it was going to the Supremes – both sides would appeal a “loss” – this is just part of the process.

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Jay,

How about some commentary on the SEC claiming that sweeping new financial regulations laws exempt the SEC from public disclosure under the FOIA.

Transparency?

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md,

“Ah, such tolerant language from Mr Boschie…………..”

Where has Bosch ever posted that he was tolerant…and where does this myth that the right holds onto the left proclaims itself tolerate of everything originate from?

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Dave R,

No, the ref upon seeing the video denied Arizona the first down. They have lost a time out and the game goes on. Prospects look good for the Feds. Remember that the most controversial part of the Arizona law cannot be enforced, that is, requiring officers to check a person’s immigration status while enforcing other laws. That is a victory, and we will continue with the season’s schedule.

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“and where does this myth that the right holds onto the left proclaims itself tolerate of everything originate from?”

I believe it goes back to the “to each his own” mantra from the left. IF that is the case, toleration would be required……………

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The most bigoted people that I have encountered in this country are:
1. Those minority groups previously seen as the only victims of bigotry.
2. Those who pervert christainity to demonize anyone who doesn’t hold to their absolute beliefs.
3. Those who describe themselves as liberal and defend number 1 and condemn number 2.
Everyone else is just stuck with living alongside the rest.

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As I’ve already said, the AZ ruling is just another nail in the coffin for the Dems come Nov.

The Dem Gov’s tried to warn Obama.

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“I believe it goes back to the “to each his own” mantra from the left.”

I think that is before my time during that whole hippy thing.

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“As I’ve already said, the AZ ruling is just another nail in the coffin for the Dems come Nov.”

Oh this is so boring. The backlash against the backlash, and then the Republicans will put in their saviour, and then they will suck and then the Democrats will put in someone else…

And blah, blah, blah, blah………………

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I am glad the judge barred sections of the AZ illegal alien law from taking effect today, while it works it’s way thru the court (and no she didn;t “strike down” the law). This is probably THE most popularly supported law in the US, after anti pedo laws (hear that mohammed? you pederast cult leader you..to h*ll with islam..see, still on topic) and this will result is a FLOOD of anger against tarballs hussein and his leftist minions..it helps that it was a lib-tard clinton judge, also.

NOV 2!!!!

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Bosch,

“I think that is before my time during that whole hippy thing.”

According to iRun a week ago hippies included The Captain and Tennille in 1975….

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I’m not as hopeful as md is on getting this AZ law up to the Supremes.

Kennedy is the dark horse (as usual) on this issue, and I don’t trust him to favor a state over the Feds.

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Dave R,

Where are you getting that 50% figure from? Do you have a link? I hope it is not from some “anonymous” reporter. Don’t Breitbart me, now.

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The dems attack:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4IQ_kj9eDM&feature=player_embedded

Your move cons.

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md,

“may be pay back time………”

Damned radical activist judges

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Let’s llok at some facts. First, I don’t have anything against anyone who geos to church on Friday. Next, the muslim preacher is connected to the rabblerousers who instigated the Gaza blockade. incident Three the developer has ties to Hamas and has said that he will not call it a terrorist organization. These are not decent folk. They are ones who live in the shadows. Thankfully, ol’ Newt, who I personally know and admire, isn’t going to be fooled by these bloodthirsty animals. Heck, all the money to build this thing is coming from the Saudi Wahabis. That ought to tell you all you know.

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Dave R,

“I’m not as hopeful as md is on getting this AZ law up to the Supremes.

Kennedy is the dark horse (as usual) on this issue, and I don’t trust him to favor a state over the Feds.”

So you’re saying that you’re upset that the supreme court would uphold the constitution? Very telling.

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I remember when the little salamander tried to shut down the government (1995) His compatriot in the congress wrote this

“”He told a room full of reporters that he forced the shutdown because Clinton had rudely made him and Bob Dole sit at the back of Air Force One…Newt had been careless to say such a thing, and now the whole moral tone of the shutdown had been lost. What had been a noble battle for fiscal sanity began to look like the tirade of a spoiled child. The revolution, I can tell you, was never the same.

Clinton stared….Gingrich blinked and started crying…..I miss the “Big Dog!”

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Compatriot Tom DeLay

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Bosch:

The Arizona law will wind up in the Supreme Court. Until then, no one can declare victory one way or the other.

Surely you know you can find a judge who will rule it’s Unconstitutional to feed a cat dog food !

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“What is it about Newt that makes y’all want to rework the Immigration laws?”

And just where does anybody want to rework them? More like enforce what we have.

Kind of like the principal telling the teacher that he/she will do all the disciplining and then does nothing and the teachers must sit in class and keep their mouth shut………….

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md,

My character? You mean like Batman?

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Wyld Byll,

I’ll bet that a republican could walk right up and shoot one of your family members in front of you, and then blame a democrat, and you would still side with the republican.

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md.

“And just where does anybody want to rework them? More like enforce what we have.”

When a state tries to take over enforcement of a federal mandate, I would say that is reworking them…

As someone pointed out in a previous thread, how many Georgians would be happy getting a speeding ticket from an ICE agent?

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Eyes, I’ll try to find the poll that showed Hispanic support for the AZ law, but it was more than a month ago.

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Newtly, there’s likely some correlation between Gingrich’s hate spews and his next divorce announcement.

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newt just wants to get attention among republican voters, and this is the way to do it. but newt hasn’t changed. ask people who worked on congressional staffs when he was in congress. or his former wives.

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Saul,
What I meant by a christian country are two things. Our country was established by those western europeans who were overwhelmingly christian and all polling that I have seen indicates the country is still predominantly christian. I do not consider myself religious. As far as the constitution and religious freedom goes there are now and have always been constraints on what constitutes a religion and what the members of any religion may do in their religions name. The language of the constitution, no matter how well thought out and all encompassing, can ever compete with someone who is truly looking to have it undone. It becomes a weapon of its own destruction. We have had a decent few hundred years.

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“why that state should even be in a position to feel the need to take over enforcement??”

md, please, that law should be showcased in the new TV program, “Cons Gone Wild” — it’s a political stunt — there is no way in hell that AZ could prove in a court of law that the feds aren’t doing anything to combat illegal immigration in that state. It’s ridiculous.

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oooo…oooo

FOIST!!!!!

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Eyes Rasmussen had it at 63% of “Other” respondents (neither white nor black), and owing to the larger demographic of Hispanics to Asians and Native Americans (and a smaller sampling of all three), it was extrapolated to be just below 50%. Rasmussen polls likely voters, (i.e. citizens) so their number may in fact be more representative.

CNN also had a poll that showed about 26% of Hispanics favored the AZ law.

Either way, it appears somewhere in between both.

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Truth be told… the World Trade Center was a mirror of our society with regards to social make up… all were represented there…whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, chistians, jews, muslims, hindus, rich, middle class, and poor (etc…)…they ALL worked in those buildings to make that place tick…

Those who think that Muslims were not murdered that day along with all the rest are not facing reality. Those buildings were simply a microcosm of our society here in the USA. The Trade Center was probably as close to being on par with the make up of our nation and those residing in our borders as one could have found anywhere within our borders.

It saddens me to think that there are some who think that others who worshiped the Muslim faith were not killed… or that just as many did not rush in as responders to try and save lives.

I was in NYC the day it happened (and stuck there for over a week before I could get home)… I saw what “good” humans can do when they simply reach across all boundaries and see others as “humans” first and all else last… so sad that it all ended… the “humanity” first” and labels second… I can see how at times I too since then have come to forget what mattered most…. humans simply helping humans in a time of need………….

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Rasmussen???

I’ll bite my tongue this time…but……

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md,

“If GSP wasn’t doing it’s job, I for one would certainly hope some agency would step in and fill the void………..”

I think there might be a slightly more hysterical reaction to a Federal agency stepping in to take over the responsibilities of state agency…

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Actually, mm, we don’t want the Constitution changed, unlike you libs do.

We just want it enforced. Not interpreted to fit our changing whims.

Enforced.

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md,

“You call that no responsibility??”

yes ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

The semi-colon is my favorite.

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“Muslim President?”

I understand Glenn Beck is seeking someone to erase his blackboard!

Outhouse….Your tops on his list

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Dave R.,

“We just want it enforced. Not interpreted to fit our changing whims.”

Then why did AZ make a law that redefines the responsibility rather than have their elected representatives re-prioritize efforts in the Federal Government to lead to better enforcement? That is what they were elected to do…

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Del: “He makes a pretty good point about Islamic prejudice toward Jews and Christians.”

Gee…need i post stuff with regards to Christian prejudice against muslims… I can easily start by reviewing Jay’s blog without having to go any further….

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md,

“great, can you send me your address, I want to send you my bills………”

Looking for a hand out huh?

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“He makes a pretty good point about Islamic prejudice toward Jews and Christians.”

Btw… you hit the “root” of why I’m against organized religions/cults… thousands of years of prejudice… slung from all sides.

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obama should volunteer to erase Becks blackboard with his head ..obama’s 1/8th inch of hair looks about like an eraser fibers. And before the libs heads explode (hey, actually..thats a cool thought) thats not racial, obama looks like his nap got the mange.

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Scout,

“If it were just the “religion” of Islam there would be no problem ……….. however, that is just a front for a legal, societal, educational, political, military world conquest by force cancer.”

Uh..the same can be said for Christians…and Jews….and Shintos…and….

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Normal,

When I see Christians and Jews strapping themselves with explosives and murdering innocent civilians, I could give validity to your argument. In fact if Islamic countries gave equal worship opportunities to Christians and Jews in their respective countries as we provide Muslims here we would have a better basis for discourse.

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jewcowboy:

Since I guess you are Jewish, last time I looked I didn’t see the Jews involved in world conquest by force or trying to institution the law of the O.T. in any country.

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Del:

Which is why my 3:02 is so accurate.

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jewcowboy, because their elected representatives only represent 1/50th of the Senate and 2% of the House. And if the Federal government is shown to have failed in their duty to enforce the laws of this country, the state of Arizona has determined that it is their duty to take up the slack – Constitutionally.

And that is why this is being adjudicated right now.

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Bosch:

Nice try but you have it exactly backwards. That’s what Nazi’s were.

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Del,

“When I see Christians and Jews strapping themselves with explosives and murdering innocent civilians,”

Have you ever heard of Bishopsgate in 1993 or the Dockland’s in 1996?

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Scout,

Um, what you wrote sounded just like what the Nazi’s wrote. Just saying. You might wanna go reflect upon that a bit.

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WE have “capital punishment” by putting people to death… many christians approve of it… perhaps a majority of them… but “stoning” that was condoned in their “good book” is now off limits… their rules and laws are always being rewritten… THAT makes ALL of their “laws” from the bible look silly.

Perhaps they can explain where it says “death penalty” instead of all the passages I’ve read where stoning is not only “allowed”…but called for.

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“Which is why my 3:02 is so accurate”

Some people are such champions in their own minds.

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Bosch:

Thank you. Debate the issue.

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Del,

Christians do crazy stuff too — like shooting people in churches. Well, to be honest, I’m not sure if those two lunatics I’m referring to (the guy who shot the people in TN or the guy who shot the abortion doctor while ushering in his church) considered themselves Christian – but I’d be willing to wager they did.

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Scout,

“Thank you. Debate the issue.”

When have you EVER debated an issue? You have no idea what that even means.

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Stone em or fry them the outcome is the same. Hairsplitting. Flimsy argument at best.

NEXT!!

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“there is no way that AZ would ever be able to prove that.”

Really? So who is lying about this? The majority of elected officials in AZ who passed this law? The majority of AZ law enforcement that favors the law? The governor who signed the law?

What special knowledge regarding what exactly is going on with illegal immigrants in AZ do you have to offer that would refute all of the above?

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Scout,

“Debate the point of my 3:06 !”

Is that an order?

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Christians do crazy stuff too — like shooting people in churches. Well, to be honest, I’m not sure if those two lunatics I’m referring to (the guy who shot the people in TN or the guy who shot the abortion doctor while ushering in his church) considered themselves Christian – but I’d be willing to wager they did.

They DID.

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Lets see, Newt is in a position to pass judgement since:

1) He left his 1st wife who helped put him through school on her death bed.
2) Left his second wife when she was diagnosed with a serious illness (I think MS).
3) Cheated on his 2nd wife when he began having an affair with his staunchly Catholic, now 3rd wife.

Actually, Newt would make a GREAT Republican candidate since he’s a proven serial cheater and liar.

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Saul Good:

That doesn’t make them Christians.

“Not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven”

Now show me something like the entire Methodist orgainzation in the U.S. (not just individuals now and then) attempting world wide conquest through terrorism, etc., etc.

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jewcowboy,

Not analogous enough to even be considered a weak counterpoint.

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Normal:

“It’s a matter of fact that Islam is recognized as a major religion of the world, like it or not.”

Exactly, and it takes wisdom and guts to know that it is something else that must be fought !

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@@ July 28th, 2010 12:38 pm SAID: What’s that I see? Upper right-hand corner of the video? ThinkProgress has become, frankly, a hate-mongering bigoted arm of the Democratic Party given their edited videos portraying “The Tea Party” as racists.
Tit for tat, jay.Same ol’…same ol’

CHRIS SAYS: So your complaint is that Newt got exposed or that he’s being dubbed and these aren’t his words, or…………? So what’s your complaint?

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Elsewhere…you’re quite right…The Talibangelicals (the EXTREME)… will only go so far though… they embrace the jews and Israel ONLY because it’s one of the “steps” they think will lead them to the “rapture”… I mean how many times have they been wrong about that? Yet when polled…an overwhelming majority of evangelicals believe that the rapture will happen in their life time… what happens to the “jews” in Israel maters not to them at that point…because according to their faulty beliefs…those jews will go to a human created mythical place called “hell” if they don’t accept jezzbus christ as their savior.

Still waiting for that Rapture… perhaps someone can give us an update on what they have… I know somehow from what I’ve read on the Talibangelical sites that “Obama” figures into this rapture thing prominently…..

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Bosch:

You’re welcome. Take care.

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Del

July 28th, 2010
3:05 pm

Del,
In this country it really doesn’t matter does it? If we are truly a nation of religious freedom, we must open our doors to religions that are recognized by the world as a major religion as I told Scout. If we are going to ban Islam, we must ban them all. Anything else is hypocrisy.

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Now show me something like the entire Methodist orgainzation in the U.S. (not just individuals now and then) attempting world wide conquest through terrorism, etc., etc….

Nah….you just send in “Missions” who dangle a carrot on a stick when offering help… “take the carrot…but first worship OUR god… as your own beliefs are silly and foolish”…

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Bosch,

I’ll be willing to wager that the 9-11 hijackers who killed about 3000 innocent people, all the perp’s of documented Islamic terrorist attacks since then as well as The Ft.Hood terrorist all did so in the name of Allah their Islamic God.

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BTW…here’s whom the LAW should be going after….not the laborers…

…from the Arizona Republic:

Most Arizona employers aren’t using E-Verify
by Jahna Berry – Jul. 28, 2010 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic .
Despite a state law requiring businesses to verify that all new employees are legal workers, only about half of new hires in Arizona have been vetted by a federal system that checks their status.

About a third of the state’s estimated 100,000 employers have signed up for the E-Verify program.

The state’s employer-sanctions law, which took effect more than two years ago, requires employers to use the free online federal system to check the legal status of all new employees. Those who don’t risk losing their business licenses if they employ an illegal worker.

But federal employment data and figures from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services requested by The Arizona Republic suggest hundreds of thousands of workers have been hired without being checked against federal records.

Any new hire made starting Jan. 1, 2008, that was not checked against E-Verify would be a violation of the law known as the Legal Arizona Workers Act.

During E-Verify’s most recent full fiscal year, which ended in September 2009, Arizona employers made more than 1.3 million new hires but ran just 730,000 E-Verify checks.

Some businesses would prefer not to check the legal status of their workers. Many others probably intend to hire only legal workers and aren’t bothering with the program.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/07/28/20100728arizona-employers-ignoring-e-verify.html#ixzz0v0TnUto8

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Saul Good:

Classic dodge as I expected. Islam is in it’s own league. One day you will realize that.

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Useful Idiots: Islam’s Best Soldiers Islam enjoys a large and influential ally among the non-Muslims: A new generation of “Useful Idiots,” that Lenin identified as those who lived in liberal democracies and furthered the work of communism. This new generation of Useful Idiots also lives in liberal democracies but serves the cause of Islamofascism—another virulent form of totalitarian ideology.

Useful Idiots are naïve, foolish, ignorant of facts, unrealistically idealistic, dreamers, willfully in denial or deceptive. They hail from the ranks of the chronically unhappy, the anarchists, the aspiring revolutionaries, the neurotics who are at war with life, the disaffected alienated from government, corporations, and just about any and all institutions of society. The Useful Idiot can be a billionaire, a movie star, an academe of renown, a politician, or from any other segment of the population.

Arguably, the most dangerous Useful Idiot is the “Politically Correct.” He is the master practitioner of euphemism, hedging, doubletalk, and outright deception.

The Useful Idiot derives satisfaction from being anti-establishment. He finds perverse gratification in aiding the forces that aim to dismantle an existing order, whatever it may be: an order he neither approves of nor he feels he belongs to.

The Useful Idiot is conflicted and dishonest. He fails to look inside himself and discover the causes of his own problems and unhappiness while he readily enlists himself in causes that validate his distorted perception.

Understandably, it is easier to blame others and the outside world than to examine oneself with an eye to self-discovery and self-improvement. Furthermore, criticizing and complaining—liberal practices of the Useful Idiot—require little talent and energy. The Useful Idiot is a great armchair philosopher and “Monday Morning Quarterback.”

The Useful Idiot is not the same as a person who honestly has a different point of view. A society without honest and open differences of views is a dead society. Critical, different and fresh ideas are the life blood of a living society—the very anathema of autocracies where the official position is sacrosanct.

Even the “normal” spends a great deal more energy aiming to fix things out there than working to overcome his own flaws and shortcomings, or contribute positively to the larger society. People don’t like to take stock of what they are doing or not doing that is responsible for the conditions they disapprove.

The Useful Idiot, among other things, is a master practitioner of scapegoating. He assigns blame to others while absolving himself of responsibility, has a long handy list of candidates for blaming anything and everything, and by living a distorted life, he contributes to the ills of society.

The Useful Idiot may even engage in willful misinformation and deception when it suits him. Terms such as “Political Islam,” or “Radical Islam,” for instance, are contributions of the Useful Idiot. These terms do not even exist in the native parlance of Islam, simply because they are redundant. Islam, by its very nature and according to its charter—the Quran—is a radical political movement. It is the Useful Idiot who sanitizes Islam and misguides the populace by saying that the “real Islam” constitutes the main body of the religion; and, that this main body is non-political and moderate.

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Bosch:

Well, it’s kind of like when I used to try to convince my teenage kids that driving fast in the rain was too dangerous. They just couldn’t seen to understand that.

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Christianity moves toward the light.
Islam moves toward the darkness.

The open-minded move toward the light,
The narrow-minded move toward the darkness.

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HDB, it appears that when you poll LEGAL Hispanics in Arizona, you get a very different view of the new law, as both the Rasmussen and CNN polls show such differing views.

I wonder if you polled all convenience store thieves if they thought that the laws against stealing should be repealed, what would they say?

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And who shows up to celebrate the great divide? The majority of jay’s left-wingers, declares @@.

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Rick’s source:

http://www.americanthinker.com/

Jeeezbus….take a look at that site!

makes me feel that “warmth” you get when thinking of Evil-gelicals…. how “kind” they are…

hmmmmm…..so sweet and loving that site is…

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Saul Good/Normal, et al:

Hint, Hint:

They’re not “worshipping” ……….. they’re “planning” ……. just ask the FBI who tries to infiltrate most of the mosques through informants, etc.

P.S. The FBI is not doing that to the Methodists ……………..

Got to run for the day ……… back tonight ………. everyone be nice.

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Anyway…this has been fun…. nice to see the religion debate… all I know is that this topic started with Newt. And if NEWT is a “good moral man”…. then we should all be as moral as him… just tell your spouses/girlfriends/boyfriends that you’re as “moral” as Newt in your relationship… see what they think…

See ya’s lata!

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Jeez, Bosch. I had to look back to see what the “condolences” were all about.

So sorry.

Been there, done that a little over a decade ago, still have the T-shirt (no, really). Still miss her.

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“Any grudging respect I once held for the man”

Well that was your first problem right there.

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Jay,

Maybe you should read Newt’s column on the context of his opposition to Cordoba House, before you brand him as a hate-mongering bigot. A term that would better fit Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the man behind the attempted slap in America’s face.

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Del,

“It does seem strange that on this blog many bash Christianity ad nausium, yet quickly jump to the defense of Muslims.”

Why are so many “christians” on here so quick to bash muslims? Personally, I could give a crap about anyone’s religion…my issue with this is one religion trying to ban another…if you ban one, then you ban them all…which is expressly forbidden in the 1st amendment.

I have issues with those that wrap themselves in the flag and the Constitution and then sh1t on them both with their selective interpretations of American ideals.

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WhoMe:

I’m just wonderin’ why the sudden change?

I’ve already said…in two separate columns on this topic (both jay’s), that the mosque isn’t on the top of my priorities list. A concern for New Yorkers? Sure…wounds don’t always heal, fears don’t always subside. I wasn’t there, on site to experience the terror firsthand, so I can’t ignore their concern.

Having said that, I can’t recall how many times “jay’s faithful” have had to endure a verbal barrage, attack if you will, from his left flank.

jay’s believers, BAD!

jay’s believer’s churches, BAD!

mega churches? Really REALLY bad!

Muslim mosque at ground zero? You all stand and deliver your unwavering support.

It’s as though the enemy of your enemy is your new and improved BFF.

Whatever…I just found it to be somewhat curious.

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CHRIS SAYS: So your complaint is that Newt got exposed or that he’s being dubbed and these aren’t his words, or…………? So what’s your complaint?

this ought to be a good one……..

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“In this country it really doesn’t matter does it? If we are truly a nation of religious freedom, we must open our doors to religions that are recognized by the world as a major religion as I told Scout. If we are going to ban Islam, we must ban them all. Anything else is hypocrisy.”

“If we are truly a nation of religious freedom”, recognized has nothing to do with it.

The Constitution says nothing about recognized. If I want to worship trees, I should be able to, so says the Constitution………..

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“If I want to worship trees,”

I always knew there was just something weird about that md…….

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Jewcowboy,

Thanks to you too. I hope things are improving for you as well.

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jewcowboy, in the words of David Byrne; “stop making sense…”

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@@,

““jay’s faithful” have had to endure a verbal barrage, attack if you will, from his left flank.”

Why are “jay’s faithful” trying to ban a mosque but not churches?

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Jay, it strikes me as interesting that you are such a reasonable man. And yes you are an upstanding member and important contributor to the community, while I am just a blogging derelict.

Which may explain why you have just now had your fill with this repulsive little man while I would have loved to see him fall down a flight of stairs as he was leaving the hospital where his wife lay,16 or more years ago.

Of all of the innumerable dirtbags in America’s political right-wing over the past 30 years, Newt the Nut is arguably one of the very most disgusting. And with the fierce competition, to reach that level of sleaze, takes some hellacious work! Hell in Georgia alone, the scum factor among the elected Republiconned is enormous. (Think Suxbee and his “observations” about Cleland’s lack of courage.)

Sadly, though a darling of the brain dead neo-cons, Newt Gangrene is little more than a turd throwing troglodyte and a perverse little troll who epitomizes perfectly why this hijacked GOP is such a POS.

That Pretty Boy Sean, HeadRush, Mann Coulter and the other vile talking heads, kiss his ample ___ is reflective of their cult of repugnance.

You’re doing a heckuva job, newties…

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Time for an early dinner break (gotta help cook it). Maybe we’ll catch y’all later.

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Jewcowboy,

Straw man first Amendment argument. Always typical of the left.

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Enter your comments here

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Boil, boil, toil and trouble.
Eye of Newt and cauldron bubble…
Boy, that Shakespeare guy could tell the future, couldn’t he?

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The First guarantees both freedom OF religion…and freedom FROM religion!! If someone has purchased property and was APPROVED by the city…then no one has the right to infringe upon their rights unless there is an issue of public safety. If that were to be proven, then the issue takes another direction……

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I would think “christians” would be more mindful of the words of Pastor Martin Niemöller when trying to get the government to ban a religious institution from building a house of worship.

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And since Newt is backing Nathan Deal, I assume you are in Handel’s camp in the runoff, right Jay?

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jewcowboy,

Where did ban come into the argument? Since there appears to be some mystery surrounding it, why not question where the money comes from, why not question Islamic religious bias, why not question the motives associated with building a Mosque and naming it Cordovia only a few blocks from ground zero, why not question the rezoning. Is that not freedom of speech?

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cowboy:

I haven’t listened to Gingrich on this issue. Didn’t even watch jay’s video link.

Not interested. Not worthy of discussion.

Have no idea why jay brought it up twice in the one month?

Again…it’s understandable why the PEOPLE in NEW YORK would have concerns.

I, however, live in GEORGIA!

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It is indeed sad to see how many progressive commentators are on par intellectually, as well as emotionally, with elementary school children. Bullies on the playground also would frequently point fingers at others they disliked and call them names… you dirty rat-fink!

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capita possible global trends

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Your neighbor burns down your house with your family in it. The property is condemned. Your neighbor turns around and buys your property and constructs a victory memorial and invites you to his housewarming party telling you it’s all about “peace” and “building bridges.”

The Muslims build victory mosques every day across Indonesia, Philippines, India and Europe as a sign of conquest over the land and the people.

When are you Americans going to wake up?

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Will this make the 19 or so who died martyrs? i.e. they did not die in vein. Does this mean that they have died for their religion, and because of their sacrifice, and Religious Center is being erected near where they have shed their blood and given their lives for a cause?

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[...] full post on bone black [...]

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[...] Newt Gingrich has become, frankly, a hate-mongering bigotAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)The knee bone is connected to the shin bone, the shin bone is connected to the foot bone…. “Tell you what. Lets build a Jewish synagogue in Iran, …and more » [...]

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One of Gingrich’s main points is that the group that would use this “community center” fully supports and practices Sharia Law – a strict, authoritarian religious protocol that is among other things horifically oppressive to women and essentially represents the islamic analogue of nutjob fundamentalist christians in this country (only the latter will not have you stoned to death for adultery, at least not publically). Gingrich states, essentially, that Sharia is fundamentally inconsistent with the principles of American society – a point I happen to agree with, and one that is completely ignored by Mr. Bookman. So, what say you?

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Booger, before you claim to speak for New Yorkers, you should talk to a few. And BTW, there is already a mosque (a real one, not a community center) near Ground Zero, It has been there for years. Newt is just stirring the pot for attention. I’d much rather hear him play Dixie out of his nether orifice. It would sound better, I’m sure.

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ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION! IT IS A VERY DANGEROUS, MILITANT, AND POLITICAL CULT, WHOSE CORE PRINCIPLES ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THAT OF THE UNITED STATES:

ISLAM DOES NOT ALLOW:

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
FREEDOM OF RELIGION
IMPOSES CRUEL & UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT (HOMOSEXUALS ARE TO BE KILLED, FORNICATORS, DRINKERS, AND GAMBLERS ARE TO BE WHIPPED, THIEVES ARE TO HAVE HANDS CUT OFF)

THE IMAM AT THIS MOSQUE HAS WRITTEN BOOKS SAYING HE WANTS TO IMPOSE SHARIA OR ISLAMIC LAW IN THE UNITED STATES. THIS IS NOT A PERSON WHOSE MOTIVES ARE “FRIENDLY”!

TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT ISLAM TEACHES, GOOGLE: TOP TEN REASONS SHARIA IS BAD FOR ALL SOCIETIES

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GOOGLE: AMERICAN THINKER SHARIA LAW

IS THIS WHAT YOU BELIEVE? DO YOU BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHEN CRITICIZING THE VIOLENT TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD?

DO YOU BELIEVE WOMEN SHOULD BE BEATEN BY THEIR HUSBANDS?

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD BE KILLED?

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WHO DENOUNCES ISLAM AND BECOMES A SECULAR PERSON OR CONVERTS TO ANOTHER RELIGION SHOULD BE MURDERED – AS REQUIRED UNDER ISLAMIC LAW, WHICH WAS BASED ON THE TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD?

IF YOU BELIEVE THESE THINGS, THEN YOU ARE A FOLLOWER OF MUHAMMAD AND YOU WILL BE ON AN INEVITABLE PATH TO VIOLENCE AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUBSCRIBE THE PRINCIPLES OF FREEDOM – EVER.

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You either support building a temple of Islam in the former shadow of buildings destroyed in the name of Islam, or you are a bigot.

Black and white thinking! Catch the wave!

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Jay Bookman,

I suggest you read this before you accuse Newt Gingrich of bigotry for speaking agianst Jihadists or the ADL of abandoning its principals for opposing this thing again,

The Ground Zero Mosque Developer: Muslim Brotherhood Roots, Radical Dreams

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-ground-zero-mosque-developer-muslim-brotherhood-roots-radical-dreams/

By the way, I don’t care if the people who want it built are not calling it a mosque, its a mosque, just by another name. Also how is Newt being a bigot when he specifically comes out and says that he does think that all Muslims are extremists or mean us harm?

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Hass,

You said there are eleven Synagogues in Tehran
Can you site your source on that? Also how many Synagogues are there in Saudi Arabia?

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[...] Newt Gingrich should join this Gainesville, Florida, [...]

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The entire Muslim faith can’t be blamed for what 20 some odd Muslim men did. That would be like condemning any Christian church from being built near a recent abortion clinic bombing. It’s not like the government is forcing this church into someone’s neighborhood. The local government approved this private building!

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Newt is not a bigot and he is voicing the opinion of the majority of Americans. A mosque at/near ground zero is a symbol of victory for Islam.

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There’s a party going on at Newt’s place (www.newt.org). He’s issued a statement on Prop 8 defending traditional marriage which is pretty funny. What’s funnier is that he’s asked for comments.

There’s 100s. Hee hee. Best so far is “Which one of your multiple marriages was the most sacred to you?”

http://www.newt.org/newt-direct/newt-statement-ca-marriage-ruling#disqus_thread

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[...] rhetoric, from denying the 1200 year old, 1+ billion strong religion the status of religion to Gingrich’s conflating terrorists with all muslims and calling it an insult,  to Sarah Palin’s usual incoherent [...]

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