When secession talk is in the air, the nation has lost its bearings

Jay:

“The Nation has lost its bearings”

Very good! Now whose fault is that?

“And so he bowed”

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Personally…I don’t think the nation has lost it’s bearing at all. We have too many people with a public voice who’e lost their marbles, but the country’s bearings are just fine.

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Stupidity in government. What a novel comcept, Jay. It’s almost as original as biased journalism.

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“pander to the crazies.” Boy, ain’t that the truth! I read that moderates in America are something like 57% of the electorate. That leads me to believe the only reason politicians pander to the crazies is for campaign money. The crazies believe they can buy their version of truth. The politicians let them believe that. Moderates simply expect people to do what they are hired/elected to do and don’t contribute. So, politicians just keep on telling lies.

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Doggone – 9:09 – well said … I was in full “ohfercryingoutloud” mode, but you said it far more succinctly

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USinUK, (9:14) Why not, I know an atheist who joined a church because he believed they are doing good work. A person who believes the government is the problem may believe he/she can change the process.

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Shorter Wamp — You better be afraid of us taking our bat and ball and going away, because if you don’t, we’ll take our bat and ball and go away.

Fear.

If it’s the only card in your hand, play it twice.

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Geez mike. If you don’t like Jay’s work, why come here? Just to complain about him?

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We have too many people with a public voice who’e lost their marbles, but the country’s bearings are just fine.

More or less, sure.

Just a post and run today, but for a little perspective on how Obama’s actually doing (as opposed to what right wing crazies would have you believe), polling wise, I’d suggest this bit from that far-left outfit Gallup…

But here’s really the only thing you need to know on that score:

Obama is holding his own better than other presidents have been able to do with their ratings in their second years in office.

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mike – as Kam pointed out to @@ last week … it’s funny how you guys NEVER have the same poutrage over the righties here on the blog …

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South Carolina’s about due to secede, aren’t they? They used to secede at the drop of a hat – even South Carolikians joke about it.

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Amazing how the “Country First” party and the party to be claim that they are the only ones able to protect this country’s security are the first to suggest they will destroy the country unless they get their way.

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Crazy talk:

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

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“And so he bowed.”

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Bowing, versus holding hands and tiptoeing thru the tulips.

your point?

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Gale – changing from the inside is a noble thought – if half the people who complained about big government actually DID anything about it while they were in office, I’d agree, but since government spending increased during Bush’s tenure BEFORE the Dems took congress, that doesn’t really wash

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There is not enough support for secession in any one state, but if we could just coax them all to move to one particular state we just might
be able to eliminate the least “American” of American’s.

Would they prefer Alaska or Texas?

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Well, we want our tax cuts, we need our tax cuts, and we demand our tax cuts. And if us Republicans don’t get our tax cuts, we’re going to go up there to Washington and lay down in the Congress floor and hold our breath and turn blue. And while they’re at it, Congress can just get rid of all welfare programs and Social Security and Medicare and maybe just cancel this Obamacare.

Heck, we’re so Productive they ought to pay us for living here, instead of making us pay taxes and live under their thumb. And if they won’t listen, we just need to break away and form the Confederate States of America again.

Of course, I might could change my mind if Republicans take over the country again. Then everything will be nice and Constitutional.

Zack Wamp? Sounds like some brand of tobacco. And I thought naming my grandkid Sonny Zell George Convert was maybe a little faulty. But at least this Zack Wamp is thinking good. See, us Republicans are law-abiding, tax-paying, loyal citizens if we’re in charge of the country. But if the voters throw us out of office, we think it’s time to form our own country and get rid of the Constitution. Cause we can’t possibly ever be wrong about anything.

Have a good day everybody.

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I say we let them go. I mean, how much does Tennessee really contribute to the country anyway?

Perhaps some don’t want to go through the hassle of having to buy new 49-star flags?

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TaxPayer

July 26th, 2010
9:25 am

Sounds about right from the 431st most effective legislator ( Broun) out of 435 according to Congress.com.

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Every week the wingnuts find a new boogeyman.

Let all the southern states secede. Then we’ll have a Dem or Indie president every four years. And since these states won’t be in the house or senate any more, no more filibusters. Then we can accuse these states of having WMD’s, we can invade them, take their riches, and treat them like extra large Gitmos.

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Time to weed the old,infirmed of the teet of big govt., let’s crank up the death panels and shrink the deficit in one fell swoop….

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I kinda like Alaska but I could easily give up Texas…

It would be fun to see how long Texas lasts before Mexico retakes it. Hehehe

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Perhaps some don’t want to go through the hassle of having to buy new 49-star flags?

I’m marketing a new design with velcro stars located in the southeast quadrant.

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Just for the record…

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1957743,00.html

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Might be a smart idea to separate from the union…then declare war on the U.S. for 6 hours, sign a peace treaty…and get foreign aid…lol

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The Stars on Obamas flag would be reduced to 56.

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Sorry I’m late…had another ladder episode…don’t ask.

I think the funny (?) thing here is that these people are so focused on getting elected that when they run out of real ideas they start with the fanciful ones….and just for the record, secession is treason, Sonny

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Saul,
Your 9:28…Maybe there’s hope for Christianity yet…

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There’s nothing like angry hostile family value people!

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crazies???? I guess if you were around during the American Revolution, you would have called Jefferson crazy too huh? They guys are making a good point. The federal government is getting too big and too involved in the people’s affairs. They are taxing too much and redistributing wealth too much. Here is something interesting for those who want to ignore the garbage this admin and this Congress is dishing out and actually think about what is going on in the country today….

President John F. Kennedy made the following opening remarks at a White House dinner honoring a gathering of Nobel Prize winners,

April 29, 1962
Ladies and gentlemen:
I want to tell you how welcome you are to the White House. I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.
Someone once said that Thomas Jefferson was a gentleman of 32 who could calculate an eclipse, survey an estate, tie an artery, plan an edifice, try a cause, break a horse, and dance the minuet. Whatever he may have lacked if he could have had his former colleague Mr. Franklin here we all would have been impressed.”

Jefferson in some cases could be called a prophet. So here are some quotes from Mr. Jefferson that seem very appropriate to repeat today:
“When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.”
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.”
“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
“My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.”
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”

In light of the present financial crisis, it’s interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
‘I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks, and corporations that will grow up around the banks, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

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Your 9:28…Maybe there’s hope for Christianity yet…

Just as a matter of scale and perspective, those 4.6 million gay-friendly Lutherans in America, cited in the article?

That’s about double the typical FoxNews audience on a given night.

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all this talk of “secession” is just artificial sweetner for the tea drinkers. you wanna know why no state will EVER secede from the union (hold onto your hats folks, because this will blow you over)? college athletics. that’s right, the BCS and NCAA “free market” enterprise produces hundreds of billions of dollars for “state schools” – especially in states were “sports” are more important than academia (Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, FL, etc.). the logistics of re-working the SEC, or Big XII as an “international” sports league would cost too much. and interestingly enough, there are many who believe the current BCS/NCAA is akin to slavery, which puts an “ironical” twist on the idea that (legal) slavery would prevent secession.

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“THis country needs more Rite-Aid.”

If this Country were run like Rite-Aid we would be in big trouble. Uh…hmmmm, this Country is in big trouble.

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No country for sane men.

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I long for a time not so long ago when spring was in the air and GW played finger-tickle with Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, when it was un-American to criticize a sitting President, when women knew their place was barefoot and preggers and gays fought for their Country while staying in the closet….

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Typical column. I find it amusing that you simply pick sides to suit your needs, ignoring any inconsistency. If it’s about gay marriage or legalizing marijuana, you’re all for state’s rights. If it’s about immigration, it’s all about the Fed. The fact that the media is so hypocritical is why so many in this country no longer get their news or information from the traditional media, especially print. Good luck on the soup line.

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Whoever said “love thy neighbor” never lived next to a Florida Gator fan.

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neo-Carlinist – How about a ‘New CSA”? Tx, La, Al, Fl, Ga, SC, NC, and Tn. Vt can secede if they want, but can’t join the New CSA. Beautiful state, Vt, great scenery and cheese, but Vermonters are crazy. Going naked in public and so forth…. They also like to carry guns, but I don’t think they do both at the same time.

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I for one will remain a citizen of the U.S…., I DO NOT PLAN ON BEING A MEMBER OF SOME 3RD WORLD GOVERNMENT. No moreso than the 3rd rate state i’m part of now. How would that work, would they try and force people to forego allegiance to the current government, because i doubt if everyone plans to secede with them! Would there be raids on and over the Chatahootchie river? I’m just curious, as to whether this time the secessionists would try and burn Atlanta to the ground. What kind of scorched earth policy would there be, once Atlanta seceded from the state of Ga???

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Midiori:

Read “The Grand Jihad” by Andrew McCarthy (Federal prosecutor in the first World Trade Center bombing case).

The very first sentence of the very first chapter simply says …………..

“And so he bowed.”

P.S. Gone for awhile …………….

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what is it with all the Carter-bashers (JohnnyReb)? you folks need to separate emotion and reason (of course, were this possible, we’d not have any faith-based political initiatives, and folks like Sarah Palin, Pat Robertson and Mike “Hucksterbee” would be regarded as village idiots, and not Presdential candidates, but I digress). At best (or worst, depending on your take), Carter was in ineffective President. And, if he really was in over his head, and the “failure” you clowns claim he was, how did he get elected? hmmmph, do the words; Nixon/Watergate come to mind? And for all the baseless hyperbole, Carter had the vision and prescience to warn of our dependence on foreign energy, and the potentionl “cost” (in blood and treasure) of our addiction (see: CT’s blog). the the very least, Carter left the USA in about the same shape as he found it. There are some (this blogger) who believe that in doing (accomplishing) nothing, he actually acted as a Chief Executive/leader should act (placing the health of the nation ahead of the “health” of a partisan agenda or personal legacy). so, if you’re a blind demagogue or dyed-in-the-wool conservative, so be it, but stay on message, because the guy who followed Carter bankrupted the country (”deficits don’t matter”) via his “no tax and spend” policies.

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“Whoever said “love thy neighbor” never lived next to a Florida Gator fan.”

Peadawg, I agree with you on that one! I’m totally outnumbered down here in FL. Heck, I even married one.

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Congratulations to the Lutherans for defeating religious tyranny!

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Secession is an old cog in the Southern Strategy wheel. It’s a dog-whistle intended to rile up the economically depressed angst of white voters.

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I’m sure Johnny Reb, who hates Carter, just loves Reagan. Reagan said government was the problem, lowered taxes, figured out what a bone-headed move that was, and then proceeded to raise taxes 3 times!

At least Republicans are consistent, they always vote in the dumbest guy in the room!

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wiccan
It’s cold in the winter up there…they have to come up with something to pass the time locked indoors!

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It might be interesting, and revealing, to get Handel and Deal on record again

Probably would. Now if we could just find someone with media connections to ask them…..

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thin guy;10;17, 57 states?

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Carter…LOL. Just the muttering of his name brings laughter.

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“CHINA WON”T LET US!!!”

Hmmm…maybe not. Maybe we should offer to let them take over the states that aren’t happy in THIS union (in exchange for our debts)and let those state join that one.

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Awesome. The more seccession talk the better. Restore the Articles of Confederation or just end this mess. GA would be far better making free and unencumbered associations among its fellow states than having to bear the burden of the failed monetary policies, failed foreign policies, and federal mandates coming from DC. The sooner we end this failed experiment, the better we will all be. Peaceful seccession can definitely happen and this discussion needs to go on in every state house in america.

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First of all it ain’t gonna happen.
Seeing as how Health Care came up did everyone see this weekend that jolly old England is scrappint their socialistic system as it’s bankrupting them?
I wonder how many of the lame stream media will report on this today?

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If I may be so bold, why don’t you elect RedNeck(D) as your representative to Congress. He’s crooked enough.

And just for that, Sister Dusty, I’m accidently on purpose going to forget to load the gallon jugs of cheap wine you like to guzzle before you blog.

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I believe when liberals and Democrats were complaining during the Bush Years/Fiasco we never mentioned seceding. We talked about voting out the idiots but that’s about it.

Perhaps we were too busy discussing the weekly scandals and brain %arts of that crew to focus on something so drastic as secession.

Of course if we had succeeded we would of had to bail the US out within 2-3 years since Republicans can’t run a lawn mower, much less a country.

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Dissent is patriotic. Nobody is saying you have to agree with your elected officials. But if you don’t have the courage to stand up and work to make your country a better place, you’re a coward. Your secession talk makes you a traitor, and I will applaud when they hang you by your traitorous, cowardly, yellow neck.

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It would be a cool country. It would have a guitar on the flag, the National Anthem would be played on a steel guitar, sung by Dolly Parton.

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I find it interesting that some folks are still fighting and rewriting the Civil War. Them and the we object to every penny that President Obama spent but didn’t utter a sound during the Bush Jr years still, we want everyone to take us seriously as fiscal conservative, neo-cons.

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Enter your comments here

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Do you find it strange to see some of the so-called conservatives go off the deep-end about the government being the problem,yet, they are trying to be elected to the government structure?

We have many who listen to this foolishness and believe the conflicting points are valid.

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The First Lady would have tattoos and a few teeth.

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Kamchak

July 26th, 2010
10:47 am
I guess a .45 to the brain is better than a headache.

Hey, go for it.

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Anyone that is serious-minded, objective and will spend a little time reading more – and I don’t mean the right-wing trash – about the reality of the Carter Administration as well as that of the Reagan era, has to come out with a positive opinion of Carter and negative one of Reagan.

As for this secession thing…it’s absolutely the most absurd thing imaginable. Was talking to some Texas friends recently and was truly surprised to hear them ‘remind’ me that Texas remains a ‘Republic’ and, therefore has some exceptional ability to pull out if they should choose to – and they said it with pride – amazing. I know, let’s go to war over it and see how many more Americans can get killed just because we are an ‘effin’ bunch of idiots.

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The State House would have a bar and a BBQ joint.

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hey Dusty, put the fried chicken down and check your copy. (Socialist, Hippie, Britons) The Rolling Stones sang; “…can’t get no satisfaction…” Jimi Hendrix (American, former member of the 82nd Airborne) sang; “…’scuse me, while I liss the sky…” (Purple Haze).

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There are many who understand that this administration is the only one left in the free world who thinks we can spend our way out of recession and debt.

So it worked to get us out of the great depression but it won’t work again? Check this chart out and choose 1929 as the first year and 1945 as the last year.
http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=5&ViewSeries=NO&Java=no&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Freq=Year&FirstYear=1929&LastYear=1945&3Place=N&Update=Update&JavaBox=no#Mid
You will notice that by 1940 (before WW2) we were back to 1929 levels.

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Wamp’s off the mark refering to Perry as a “patriot”. Perry is one of the key proponents of the NAFTA/NASCO “Superhighway” (running from Mexico, through the U.S. to Canada) as a mechanism for better importing (3rd rate) goods from Red China. In addition, Perry proved he’s a Globalist pawn via his attendence of the 2007 Bilderberg conference in Istanbul. Perry also endorse (fellow Neocon) Rudy “Ghouliani” (9/11 profiteer) in 2008.

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mm
“Get serious. Bush created Homeland Security. Have you heard recently how bloated that agency is? Where was your poutrage?

Did I say that I supported this program or that administration? Nope. I was, as you say, “poutraged” at the enormous organization that came out of that too. It is humorous how you automatically jump at the conclusion that I was all for Bush’s admin. I am curious though. With the dems holding Congress since 2006, how come they haven’t done anything to stop it? It sounds like you hate it so much. Where is your “poutrage?”

“Also, tax rates are the lowest they’ve been in 60 years. Please educate yourself.” Okay, where to start here?
So that makes having large income taxes okay? Because they are the lowest they were in 60 years? That’s the best argument you can come up with? Okay, they are also higher than they were 80 years ago and they are much higher than they were before the Civil War, when there was none. If you want to apply historical values, I guess that means we shouldn’t have any. Do you seriously think it is a fair system where 50% of the people pay 97% of the taxes in the country or the to 25% pay nearly 90%? How is fair that the bottom 50% actually get money back from the government at the expense of people who are paying taxes? Do you think that is what the founding fathers meant for this country when they wrote that “Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.” This huge discrepancy in income tax burden is anything but uniform.

Do us all a favor and educate yourself, because you obviously have NO CLUE.

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I have to question their patriotism.

Patriots do not threaten to leave their country because they lost the health care debate but our no accountability society has changed.

Everybody cheats to win and nobody likes a good loser.

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Dirty Dawg, Roger Wilco. if you have not, grab some back issues (2007-2008) of that Commie, pinko, left wing, socilials rag; THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE. Carter’s biggest “liability” was his candor (he didn’t spin s**t). He many not have had all the answers (any answers), but he didn’t fabricate answers, either. Note to neo-cons; fabricating “answers” is where debts originate.

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Headline seen last week on The Globe, a tabloid, under a picture of Laura Bush:

“I’m sick of living a lie. George is a drunk.”

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Finn McCool @ 10:56,
Oh come on……Everybody knows its WWII that got out us out of the Great Depression….not this BS Keynsian economics spend today and put it on the backs of the next generation. If it was that important to put so much money into the economy then how come only about half of the Stimulus money has been spent? I think we all know the answer to that question. Obama is saving it for his reelection campaign. He wants to remind everybody that by voting for him, they will get some more of his “free” money.

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You *may* want to******

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Finn McCool, Funny, where is all that tax revenue going to? Social Programs, A broken Social Security Program, our new healthcare system that will be a complete failure and suck more money, stimulus money that has produced NO jobs? You are saying that we have crumbling infrastructure….I thought that was where the stimulus money was going. We had all of these shovel-ready jobs just sitting there? Where did all that cash go? Oh, that’s right….to repay the unions for their votes.

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Finn,

Name another first world country who is trying to spend their way out. And by the way, as many economist think excessive spending prolonged the depression as those who think it helped.

One day this recession will end. When it does, I’m sure no matter how long or deep, there will be some who give this administration credit. Just as it did when the depression ended. Most people however will know better.

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David S. said: “…GA would be far better making free and unencumbered associations among its fellow states than having to bear the burden of the failed monetary policies, failed foreign policies, and federal mandates coming from DC…”

Hmmm… I guess you’re right. All one has to do is look at what the Republican leadership did for this state recently. Talk about “failed monetary policies”… I’ll chalk up the foreign policies with all those state lawmakers who talk a big game about curbing Illegal Immigration with their hate filled laws…yet in reality…GA has more of illegal immigrants compared to the border state of AZ… federal mandates? Just look at GA’s school system… heading towards bigger class sizes, less teachers, more programs cut…and STILL perpetually at the very bottom in this nation when it comes to SAT scores…

Makes sense that some in GA would call for secession… simply more ill-informed citizens who never learn from their past mistakes, don’t realize their current mistakes… and talk about things like the Constitution (which they don’t understand and have never read in it’s entirety)… and tax cuts (yet fail to see that they didn’t increase hiring and only ADDED to the current deficit… all one has to look at is each county and see them scrambling to raise taxes/fees, cut services, lay off county workers, teachers, etc…)…

Sure, go ahead and secede… keep the same ol’ idiots in place that ran the state for the past 7+ years. Just by looking at the choice for Govna’ on the right…it’s easy to see that they never learn from past mistakes…in fact they only seem to embrace them. Pretty much why so many of these “debates” are about gays and abortions… I mean if they had to talk about the economy under their current rule…. could you just imagine having to fess up and take the blame????

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Repent, Traitors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeMLaQTwIgU

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Finn McCool, learn some history about income taxes because you are way off. I will give you hint on where to start. The income tax was created to pay for the Civil War, which was about 60 years before Prohibition. Wow……

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From Wikipedia:

The first Federal income tax was imposed (under Article I, section 8, clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution) during the Civil War, then again in the 1890s, and again after the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified in 1913.

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obama’s fault, check YOUR history books. the original “income” tax was actually presented as an excise tax on whiskey (1794) to pay off the debts from the war for independence. many rural farmers/artisans used whiskey as a currency (as opposed to Federally issued legal tender), which meant whiskey was a de facto “income”. maybe we need to forget about the Tea Party (that is SOOOOO pre-Independence) movement” and get behind “Whiskey Rebellion v 2.0″

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Surely these right wing crazies cannot possibly think we’d be better of seceding!! Our economy would be in shambles after all the military bases pulled out of our state, and we no longer had the benefit of federal aid. National and international businesses and corporations would pull out and go elsewhere. The negative repercussions would be endless. And, by the way, josef nix, the separatist movement is strongest in the South. If you think any other states would actually seriously consider seceding, I have some beach front property in North Dakota I want to sell you.

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Saul, agreed. I can take the mudslinging and bottom-feeding political nonsense to be expected. let’s face it, Bush started two wars (which the neo-cons now say were “authorized” by a Democrat controlled Congress – which may or may not be true, but there is the matter of WMDs, etc…). also worth noting is GITMO. Bush and Cheney’s open-ended “asset in the war on terroris” which has been universally condemned by liberals and paleo-conservatives alike, but now Obama “owns” it because he hasn’t closed it (yet) as “promised”. but politics (and my opinons of both Bush and Obama) aside, as a quasi music historian, I found her faux pas about Hendrix/The Stones to be particularly offensive.

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Are Zach Wamp and Karen Handel KGB agents? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

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Finn McCool, “You don’t get out much? I just returned from the Great Smoky Mountain National Parks and there was construction everywhere. Most of the roads were repaved., bridges were being rebuilt or buttressed, etc.”

Wow…all those new roads and unemployment is around 10%(we should really use the labor utilization rate because the only reason why the unemployment is even that low is that so many people have become discouraged and no longer apply to the unemployment rate). They must surely be doing a good job in containing that waste fraud and abuse. But hey, for giggles though let’s use the admin’s data from recovery.gov. They claim to have spent $202 B in recovery funds and have 682,370 jobs from the act. That translates into a whopping $296,000 per job. Hey great oversight on that one. Maybe the guy in charge of overseeing it is using some of it to pay for all of the illegal contributions that he received in his run for President. Hmmmmmm

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The Tea Party represents Americans opposed to Bush’s TARP too. Obama’s TARP II, III, IV, V………………..

Candidates Feel TARP Heat

In ‘08, George W. Bush’s top economics experts warned that if the government didn’t bail out key banks, the economy could fail. What they didn’t say is that anyone who voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program — regardless of party — would face the prospect of losing their jobs over the vote.

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/05/candidates_feel.php

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Finn McCool, thanks for your research that proved nothing other than to restate my point that the income tax was created to pay for the Civil War. Great job genius.

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Is it the results of Republicans efforts that is making citizens think of seceding from the Union? Or is it the present federal government administration ramming laws down the throats of its citizens and states and bankrupting everyone? I think seceding is the correct alternative which is provided by the constitution. OR we can round up all the progressive liberals and try them for treason. You know, for trying to overthrow the republic by turning it into a dictorial socialist state against the will of the majority. The progressive liberal must be defeated to save our union. No rhetoric or amount of money should stop this effort.

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obama’s fault, I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but I am pretty sure Congress – via the “deficits don’t matter” economic policies of St. Ronald the faux-Conservative got the keys to the “lock box” in exchange for a signing off on the “supply side/trickle down” policy. as I said, not sure, but I think that’s when the monkey left the cage.

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Quebec has been talking and actively trying to succeed from Canada for many years. Does this mean Canada has lost it’s bearings? Is Quebec just a province of ignorant malcontents? Are Ireland and Scotland wrong for wanting to go their own way? Is it wrong for a state who cherishes freedom and autonomy to at least look at this option in the face of a repressive socialist administration?

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A peace treaty was Never signed after the Civil War. Officially we’re still at war!!!!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxzXo78WqSM

Let’s get back to GOOD CONSERVATIVE fiscal policies…

I’m guessing nobody in the last administration owned a calculator….

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josef nix

July 26th, 2010
11:08 am

Absolutely correct. And did you notice that the States cited are our fringe States…literally fringe…

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Created to pay for the civil war? And then it went away. And then it came back in the 1890’s….and then it went away again…

When did it become a permanent part of our lives?

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booger, are you comparing the Unite Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland) with the United States of America? Seems to me we “opted out” of that mess in 1776.

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If at first you don’t secede…………….

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Finn….you stopped short. The highest tax rate during the Eisenhower administration was 91%! Had to pay for those interstate highways, nuclear missiles and the Korean Conflict.

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Why doesn’t obama just kick Tennesee’s ass?

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Geez, the thought of secession – just what would the new “southern” country look like:

First the states – Tx, Ark, Miss, Ala, GA, Fl, Ok, Tn, SC, NC, WV, Va, Az –

- They will not be broke, nor their people be asked to pay for the liberal ideas in Michigan, NY, and CA
- Abortion would no longer be long running fued – it would be against the law
- There would be no fued over gun ownership
- The new country could drill all they want for oil – and sell it to the Old US
- The new country would have a large portion of the coal reserves Obama wants to not use – and sell it to the old US
- The old US would still have the most pollution and carbon emiters – and could pass cap and trade all they want – the new country would vote along with China and India

The new country could keep illgals out and to heck with the feds – we will also keep out the freeloaders that want to live off of our money.

When can I vote on this?

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SOOHSO – There was no need for a peace treaty. Robert E. Lee UNCONDITIONALLY SURRENDERED. The CSA went down in flames, never to rise again.

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Granny, Just using the data provided by the Admin. Prove it wrong. Please. I beg you to prove the data wrong. What is $202 billion divided by 862,370 equals??????? So if anybody is lying then it must be your good old administration. Here is the link….http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/home.aspx It comes with the obama, I mean, recovery logo on it and all.

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This question was settled in 1865, and the Georgia Senate has trashed the memory of 620,000 Americans who died to decide the question. I’m a proud Southerner, but any talk of secession is akin to defecating on the graves of every soldier who died in the Civil War. Did they die for nothing? Even in loss, the Confederate soldiers lives should be held as sacred for giving their lives to resolve, once and for all, whether we live in a loose confederation of states, or one united nation. It should be high treason to try to start that battle again. Absolutely despicable.

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When Bush was president, secession talk was cool: http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/04/16/when-bush-was-president-secession-talk-was-cool/

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Seems the Presidential Knob will be appearing later this week on The View.

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Finn McCool, It sure is interesting how you just tried to skew the stats. In 1929, the bottom rate was .375%. By 1941, it was up to 10%. great attempt at a slight change in history though.

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Kinda like The Mafia.

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What is $202 billion divided by 862,370 equals???????

Idiot math?

If my company spends $750,000 per year and has revenues of $1 million per year and employs 1,000 people. Then your math would suggest that each employee spent $750 and that each employee brought in $1,000 dollars, and each employee gets to enjoy an equal part of the $250,000 profit – no matter the employs position (CEO makes what the janitor makes.)

Yeah, we are experiencing the brainpower of a conservative today! Whoa. Stand back! Feast your eyes!

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If all the southern states seceded, they would soon fall apart because they are at the bottom of the barrel in education and I doubt seriously that would change. It would probably only get worse, since they would stop teaching science and math.

I would love for this to happen, just give me time to get the hell out first.

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Also, there would be a giant sucking sound as most businesses left the south to move where there was a more educated populace.

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Desperado @ 11:46am

I should have submitted a bid? Halliburton and KBR were the ONLY two companies that could provide many of the services they supplied with their “no contract” bids handed to them by the government.

I guess NOBODY else could supply FOOD SERVICES…AND “overcharge” our military (paid for with our tax dollars):
http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=cabal-elite/corporate/halliburton/halliburton-overcharged-16m-for-military-meals.txt

“Halliburton in $16M food probe
Report: Contractor allegedly overcharged U.S. military for food-service work.
February 2, 2004: 9:49 AM EST

NEW YORK (Reuters) – Halliburton Co. allegedly overcharged more than $16 million for meals at a U.S. military base in Kuwait during the first seven months of last year, according to a published report Monday, citing Pentagon investigators auditing the company’s work.

Because of the charges, which involve food-service work done by Halliburton (HAL: Research, Estimates) unit Kellogg Brown & Root, the Pentagon has extended its audit of KBR food services to include more than 50 other dining facilities in Kuwait and Iraq, according to an e-mail sent Friday to more than 12 U.S. Army contracting officials and reviewed by the Wall Street Journal.”

From the same source (use left sidebar):

“FBI Investigating Halliburton Contracts
Oct 28, 4:43 PM (ET)

By JOHN SOLOMON

WASHINGTON (AP) – The FBI has begun investigating whether the Pentagon improperly awarded no-bid contracts to Halliburton Co. (HAL), seeking an interview with a top Army contracting officer and collecting documents from several government offices.

The line of inquiry expands an earlier FBI investigation into whether Halliburton overcharged taxpayers for fuel in Iraq, and it elevates to a criminal matter the election-year question of whether the Bush administration showed favoritism to Vice President Dick Cheney’s former company.”

Well Desp…. thanks for clearing up that Halliburton was the ONLY company in the whole USA who could supply food or gas to our military. Heck…as long as it made some of Dick’s stock go up back then (and the stock of his “hunting” buddies)… that’s the “American way”…or should I say the “Republican” way…

K…now I’m REALLY out of here…

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Finn Mccool @ 1153, You don’t get it do you. They said that they have spent 202 Billion dollars and as a result, 682,370 jobs have been funded from the recovery act. “Job calculations are based on the number of hours worked in a quarter and funded under the Recovery Act.” Take that same company you are talking about. How long would they be in business if for every job that they have, they pay $296,000 to create it? Please, don’t try to play CEO again. That janitor job might be more along your qualifications. Of course, we do have somebody that would make that same argument currently sitting as our president. After all, as Biden said “we have to spend money to keep from going bankrupt.” What a joke.

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Normal – “Sorry I’m late…had another ladder episode…don’t ask.”

um. dude. STAY OFF THE LADDERS. evidently, they don’t like you.

(sorry for the delayed response)

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Forget secession for a minute…now look at all those bitterly negative opinions so many are expressing toward the South and its people…why wouldn’t just such result in a separate identity for the targets of the venom…?

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“why wouldn’t just such result in a separate identity for the targets of the venom”

Instead of doing some soul searching to identify WHY it’s so easy to make them a “target”?

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USinUK,
Imagine, if you will, a Grandson, a glider, a tree, a ladder and a cat (unknown at the time)in a tree…Wait! there’s a signpost up ahead…you have just entered the free fall zone…

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Normal – next time, tell the kid “you got it in the tree, you get it out”

heading home – have a good night!!

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Doggone
There is more than enough soul searching and, I submit, that is precisely what has stymied this part of the empire. That soul searching is an obsession coloring every facet of the weltanschauung here in Uncle Sam’s Oldest Colony (Alan Tate)…the problem is that the Wah-uh is considered the begin all and end all in that identity. The 250+ years that went into the make up of that people before that ill-fated attempt at self-determination is simply not a part of the discussion, and because it is not, the 150 years since has been a history of frustration which, most often, is expressed in reactionary philosophies…

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josef: Normal – For the record, secession was never declared treason and the question was never settled constitutionally.

Not so fast……

The military resolution of the secession question was then given legal force by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1868 case of Texas v. White. The Court ruled there that even Texas–an independent republic before it joined the Union in 1845–had no right to secede. “The Constitution,” the Court said, “in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States.” By What Mechanism Can States Secede Through Mutual Agreement?

By what legal mechanism would such secession through mutual agreement be accomplished? The most obvious answer is a statute enacted by Congress. Just as Congress can approve the admission of new states, the argument would go, so it can let old states leave.

I have other sources, I can quote them, but can’t link to them because they are part of LexisNexis and you need a password (and a license) to link to them. I hate to give you info without you seeing where I got the info from (Unlike Whine and a few others…..)

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GOP Senate Candidate: Tea Partiers Questioning Obama’s Citizenship Are ‘Dumbas ses’.

We have some here.

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“There is more than enough soul searching”

And I don’t agree. I think there are too many people who cling to their outmoded ideas and beliefs and who NEVER do any soul-searching on the subject.

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Doggone
So would you say the same for those Americans of African Descent? Or American Indian descent?
After all, might we not also say that they, too, “cling to outmoded ideas and beliefs?”

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Josef,

The South is a great place for love and loveliness. It always has been and always will be. If only we could stop the hordes of cold, stony-faced Northerners in their army boots who come here ravaging the place with condos, complaints, cuspidors and cod fish cakes.. You can’t run ‘em off with a stick!!

‘Tis time to pack ‘em all in Spanish moss and ship ‘em to Alaska.to join the caribou and the polar bears.. I know Sarah will hate us for this dastardly act but somebody’s got to do it!!

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Anybody paying any attention to the WikiLeaks thing?

Most of the documents leaked are from 2004 to 2009 and while I was no fan of President Bush and his war policies, I take umbrage at this Administration using that fact as spin. If president Obama had shut down the wars when he first got into office, we wouldn’t be having this “incident” now. BTY, the spin is also that leaking these reports is “endangering our troops’. wrong again, the stuff is too low level, but it is also eye opening as to what goes on there. Bring them home.

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More liberal talk of secession: http://www.ginandtacos.com/2005/01/25/my-favorite-2004-moments-best-liberal-meltdown/

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In order to succeed we must secede from a bloated federal bureaucracy.

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What we need is a revolution, hunt down the DC and Wall Street types and return the country to the peeps. If this were 1776 the people would have revolted a long time ago. But now we have welfare, unemployment, food stamps, and XBox in high def!

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“After all, might we not also say that they, too, “cling to outmoded ideas and beliefs?””

Certainly. At some point it IS necessary to remember the past…but not to live by it.

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But now we have welfare, unemployment, food stamps, and XBox in high def!

and dimwits vote for demwits.

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A Tea Party-backed Senate candidate in Colorado was caught on tape Friday referring to ‘birthers’ who question President Obama’s citizenship as “dumbasses.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/25/ken-buck-tea-partiers-que_n_658728.html

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Funny how you like to pick great blog worthy topics like some no-name clown talking about secession. Get real dude. At least be honest and talk about Obama not creating/saving a zillion jobs or the fact that financial reform allows banks that are “too big to fail” to control a larger share of the nation’s deposits than BEFORE the financial crisis. Restrictions on bank trading and derivitaives missed the mark. Bad loans, not trading, took down Citigroup and BOA, and few effective restrictions or controls are imposed on mortgage-backed securities and similar financial instruments that permitted giant banks to disguise lousy lending decisions from unknowing investors. 8000 regional banks remain cash strapped because TARP didn’t apply to them even though they finance the majority of small and medium sized businesses. Green jobs via windmills went to foreign companies. Yeah, we’ve stimulated everyone else’s economy and left the middle class without jobs or hope. Wake up dude. I can name off several areas where the current administration has fallen waaayyy short of their promises and here you are talking about one no-name secessionist clown from Tennessee. C’mon man!!!

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Finn McCool,

Perhaps, the birthers need to secede from the Tea Party union.

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booger puts down a good case for Texas to secede. Now, can we get the ball rolling? Texas is the most overrated place in the Union.

But we just can’t allow it. What would happen to all the Texas jokes? They’d be ruined. It ain’t funny to start one that says, “A foreigner and a midget walk into the men’s bathroom together . . .”

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Jopsef,

I am aware of the potential restraints on Texas by the mutual consent clause. However they have a much stronger case for their right to sucede than any other state. I do believe I am correct in most everything else I said about their ability to be self supporting.

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“The question is, where do you draw the line and who is the arbiter thereof?”

when you start re-fighting a lost cause because you don’t like who’s in charege, maybe it’s time to AT LEAST start that soul-searching.

It’s all a tempest in a tea pot anyway. Nobody is ever going to SERIOUSLY make a move towards secession. It’s all hoo-hah to stir things up and too many people are stupid enough to fall for it, but you put a gun in most of their hands and say “CHARGE” and the stampede to be LAST at the battle-front will be amazing.

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Disgusted,

lol. Well, it won’t happen, because Texans approach their football with more religious fervor than they do their history books. If Texas did secede, it would be THE joke.

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state budgets have been cut due to the lack of federal dollars.

But, but, but……I thought that’s what they WANTED. No federal dollars no need to listen to the feds!! If they seceede they will get NOTHING – isn’t it better that way?

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I’d like to thank President Obama for keeping us safe, thank you Mr. President!

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DDR
Without arguing whether or not that union was coerced, the implication is certainly there…

Doggone
And once again the point is missed that that identity was there 250 years before the Wah-uh and is still here 150 years after the Wah-uh…the South and the Southerner as a land and as a people exists outside that four year period…

booger
I wasn’t arguing against you per se, merely making reference to the actual court case involving Texas. As far as its viability as a Republic, quite so…it was for 9 years and did a pretty good job of it on a number of counts…that is a chapter of the American story not many people outside of Texas are familiar with…

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TGT, I asked for actual elected Democrats who align with actual elected Republicans, who called for secession or expressed sympathy for secessionism.

You still haven’t provided me with any (and two of those links are to the same guy saying the same thing).

Would it kill you to admit that you don’t have an apples:apples thing here? Embrace your wingnuttery, my bruthuh! it’s what makes you unique in your nuttiness.

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Boy, this sure is a load off of my mind…

http://www.comcast.net/articles/finance/20100725/BUSINESS-US-USA-ECONOMY-GEITHNER/

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Scout,

1. Yes, some migrant families will leave Arizona. I saw an interview with a family in Arizona. The father was born in the US as was his son. But the mother is undocumented. So, out of fear, they are packing up everything, uprooting their lives and leaving the state of Arizona for another state. If they were to remain in Arizona, the family value folks who drafted the Arizona immigration law would send mom back to Mexico if she were caught.

2. Cameron’s newly elected government in the UK is Conservative. His coalition there is tenuous. De-centralizing health care in the UK, even if it makes it through political argument, will not look like what you expect. In the meantime, countries like Japan and Sweden are doing fine.

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“Texas was a republic when it joined the union and retained that right as part of their agreement”

Well…let’s see, you could maybe say that Pennsylvania was not, and still isn’t a state. That’s why it says COMMONWEALTH of Pennsylvania on their state seal. But you know what, that has NO LEGAL meaning whatsoever – they’re still legally a STATE. Just like Texas.

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The Founders knew when writing the Declaration that abolishing a government should never be seen as “crazy”. The ability of a State to secede from the grasp of the Federal Government, should be a constant reminder to Federal leaders to stay within their own boundaries.

Just look at any recent poll that asks, “Is Government too big?”

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“And you think cultural genocide of the Southern people is a GOOD thing? ”

Who said that? Certainly not me. My attitude is, and always will be, that when your “cultural identity” is holding you back, it’s time to rethink that identity. Keep what’s good and let what’s bad go. It’s long past time for “the South” to let go of what’s bad.

You know what? “The South Shall Rise Again” right? Well look around you. IT ALREADY HAS, but if old attitudes can’t be buried with the past…it just might have to FALL again to get the message. And I’m not, BTW, speaking of another war…I’m talking economics. The “New South” has risen on economics, but if old attitudes hold it back in education and infrastructure…then economics just might bring it to it’s knees.

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“And you think cultural genocide of the Southern people is a GOOD thing?

Maybe not, but a few thousand hangings for treason after the Civil War would most certainly have improved the gene pool.

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Well, congrats DDR, ESQ!!!

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I would have liked to have seen Jay Bookman call Button Gwinnett a “crazy”.

Bip!

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josef: DDR – Actually, Texas DID try the independent republic route and it did a pretty good job of a lot of things…

That was before 2010, heck before the Civil War even!! Let them try it now, and we’ll see how fast Texas becomes “The New Republic of Mexico and/or South America”. Texas can not defend itself from an emass attack from another nation. It can not make treaties or enter into contract with another nation. (And before you mention agriculture, etc. just stop for a moment and think about what you’re saying). Texas can not, without the nod of the rest of the world, even enter into the coffers of the World Bank. Which means they can not get a loan if needed etc. Without money, or the access to money, Texas would be no more independent than Samoa or Puerto Rico or HONG KONG.

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The Republican party has become so corrupted by the religious right that they can never again have power in this country. . They must be forcefully disbanded and all their members tried for TREASON!!!!

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Third, Jays post, to which I have been responding, places no limits–such as only those holding political office–on secession “crazies.”

Ok. Well, Jay’s post seems pretty specifically about elected officials and their willingness to leverage secessionist sentiment for political gain, which is why I sought some like:like examples.

If your point is simply that some lefties expressed similarly nutty ideas about breaking up the Republic on account of Team Bush, I’ve no argument with you there. My point is, we didn’t have elected Democrats who felt compelled to woo those so disaffected by Bush, and we, now, seem to have elected Republicans (and probably a few southern conservaDems, I’d imagine) looking to snag some of these disaffected with Obama. That’s my point and I think, implicitly, Jay’s as well.

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DDR
Who said they were wronged? I said without arguing whether or not that (and I should have said reunion) were coerced…and you’re a legal scholar, that segregation was okayed by the FEDERAL Supreme Court with Plessy v Ferguson and the only vote against it was the lone Southerner on the court, Justice Harlan, himself born into a slave owning family…his dissent should be required reading in every American History class…

Doggone
For the love of G-d, woman, get rid of that “The South Shall Rise Again” frame of reference…you’re so stuck on that and keep fighting it to the point that a discussion of the culture, and with it its errors, simply cannot be discussed. Do you suggest that we ban the novels of Welty, Faulkner, Wright and the plays of Williams? Do we ban country western, gospel, blues, jazz, rock and roll? No more grits and greens? Arrest and detain those caught saying y’all…?

I’m trying to move on…so are millions of other Southerners, but we won’t be able to do that until we take a good, hard and unbiased look at what went into our make up and we won’t do that if we inisist that it did not exist before 1861—that’s absurd.

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My point is, we didn’t have elected Democrats who felt compelled to woo those so disaffected by Bush

sfb,

I know you’re zeroing in on secession, but you can’t possibly believe what you just said to TGT. Leveraging “disaffected by Bush” voters was the entire Democrat message in both 2006 and 2008. Hopeandchange dontchaknow.

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Exile Island and a new thread upstairs.

What a twofer

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DDR
The point on Texas today, probably in agreement with you, but you said they tried it once, they did and had some considerable success in how that turned out…

And I knew that use of the term cultural genocide would get a response from the semi-literate Engrish speakers…the modification is the term CULTURAL I did NOT use the term BLOOD genocide. It is the same thing that was at work during Jim Crow when the Bourbons set out to erase the African identity. It is the same thing as when the Federal government adopted the Dawes program to force assimilation on the American Indians…

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I would have liked to have seen Jay Bookman call Button Gwinnett a “crazy”.

Sorry, I already shot and killed that whiny-ass teaty baby.

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We (the states) entered into this “union” voluntarily. It was designed, from the beginning, to give majority rights to the states and to ensure a LIMITED Federal Government. The states have the right, and in fact the obligation, to hold the Federal givernment in check…when they cannot, they DO have the right to seceed. A tyranical president (Lincoln) overstepped his authority and forced union upon an unwilling people. Those who have stood against, and continue to stand against, that unlawful government are not “crazies” Jay….we are patriots of the highest order who refuse to follow the party line like lambs to the slaughter.

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and we just can’t keep Normal out of the trees..

Dusty,
Just tracing evolution back to its beginning…

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“Just tracing evolution back to its beginning…”

Daddy Jay promised us some evolution…

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josef – Plessy v. Ferguson was after the Civil War and the 14th Ammendment was enacted….not before or during.

booger – we buy most of our oil from the east, hence the reason we fought the Saudi/Kuwait War. If we were so concerned over Human Rights and tyrants, etc., etc., etc., we would’ve invaded any part of Africa a long time ago……..

Dusty: I love you too.

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DDR

I’m aware of that. The point I was making is that the Freedman was cheerfully sold down the river by their “liberators” when it became politically expedient to do so. Simply put, the African American has been a pawn in the game since the get-go and when I hear white Northerners and Westerners waxing ever so eloquent on the damnable white Southerner, it rings hypocritical. See, I belong to the 40 acres and a mule party and it’s no more popular today than it was at its inception.

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Just doing my EOI duties, but any of those areas where secessionist sentiments have gained currency are viable…there would be a rapid and drastic drop in material quality of life and potential civil unrest and those two factors alone make the whole argument in favor rather specious…

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Saul Good

July 26th, 2010
12:01 pm
Hey, just my point. You and others keep screaming Haliburton and such. It was a non competition thing and a non regulation thing that created this mess. There were no companies that could outbid haliburton and supply what they could. That is a fact. However the overcharging thing was a crime and they should be punished for it.

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The Republicans have become a serious problem in America… If the voters had enough intelligence to vote the stupid Republicans out of office, we could get rid of this problem. This is not rocket science. You need not be Imhotep to figure it out. Its very simple. Get rid of the Republicans, get rid of the problem.

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Dear DebbieDoRight Esq:

You are good at writing words, but you don’t really understand concepts do you? I refer specifically to one of your posts on Texas. Texas whipped Mexico’s ass once, and they would do it again. Ever hear of a little group called the National Guard? Texas has a BIG National Guard and it contains these here things called “modern weapons.” Modern weapons include things like tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, artillery (big guns to you) and even those there modern do-dads called aeroplanes. Why those there modern aeroplanes are enough to hold any Army, excepting the US Army at bay, ESPECIALLY the Mexican military, that doesn’t HAVE modern tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and aeroplanes.

Texas also contains this black ugly stuff called OIL. Lot’s and lot’s of OIL. It’s almost like money. Folks poop on themselves to get it. Texas also houses companies that deal in some of this stuff called “teknology.’ Ever hear of Texas Instruments? Guess where IT is located? Texas has these big heavy poop machines that some folks call cattle. They have LOTS of cattle. They have farms that grow this stuff called vegetables and hay, lots of it. SO they have military strength, food, and plenty of tradable commodities.

In short, Texas is quite self sufficient. The only Country they would have to fear is the one they currently are a part of. I doubt however that the US Gov’t would take to kindly to Texas seceding though so it’s a moot issue. But however, if one day Texas WERE able to wave a magic wand and become their own Country, it would be MEXICO who would need to step lightly, not Texas.

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I aint goin nowhere! I paid my taxes. But I am all for bitchslapping liberals. Can we make that part of “Pledge to Flag”! Them yankees have packed themselves so tight up north they are still coming south. They bring with them tales of homosexuality, atheism, and human rights. Non of these found in the constitution. Judges made most of their laws. I dont see no need to secede but praying for a 9.2 quake in certain northern regions would not break my southern heart. I kinda liked parts of the movie 2012. It gave me dreams of how to deal with “law making judges” sympathizers. Now they want to erect a muslim cathedral near where the muslims bombed those poor nonsuspecting yankees. Killed almost three thousand. Now they are showing how forgiving they are by allowing these same folks a gathering place to worship and plot their next adventure. It is ok with me as long as it stays upnorth.

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The Republicans party of “NO” who are prolonging the Bush/Cheney recession with their opposition to all the Democrats legislation and brilliant ideas. Now the Republicans are whining about the stimulus bill signs that appear at work sites. But it is amazing that these Republican whiners don’t see the workers hard at work behind the stimulus signs. They never mention the workers. Republicans suffer from selective amnesia. Those workers are working on jobs created by the Obama Democrat stimulus bill. The Obama economic miracle has created more than 3 million jobs in 19 months. The Bush/Cheney Regime created 3 million jobs in 8 years. Democrats should rescind the Bush/Cheney 3 TRILLION DOLLARS tax cuts for the richest 5% of the population NOW.

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Texas whipped Mexico’s ass??? Just that state? Thanks for re-writing history. let me know where I can buy that book.

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Fred…are YOU that stupid??? let me ask…those “texans” fighting that battle… just what “country” did they belong to? The MAJORITY of the troops in many battles were AMERICANS.

Davey Crockett was a “Texan” right??? (By way of TN I guess)….

“The entire siege lasted 13 days. Tuesday February 23 – Sunday March 6, 1836. The siege and final battle of the Alamo in 1836 constitute the most celebrated military engagement in Texas history. The battle was conspicuous for the large number of illustrious personalities among its combatants. These included Tennessee congressman David Crockett, entrepreneur-adventurer James Bowie”

To understand the real battle, one must appreciate its strategic context in the Texas Revolution. In December 1835 a Federalist army of Texan (or Texian, as they were called) immigrants, American volunteers, and their Tejano allies had captured the town from a Centralist force during the siege of Bexar.

Most Texan settlers had returned to the comforts of home and hearth. Consequently, newly arrived American volunteers-some of whom counted their time in Texas by the week-constituted a majority of the troops at Goliad and Bexar. Both Neill and Fannin determined to stall the Centralists on the frontier. Still, they labored under no delusions. Without speedy reinforcements, neither the Alamo nor Presidio La Bahía could long withstand a siege.

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By your own twisted logic, there were no “Americans’ in the American Revolution becasue there was no COuntry called America, or The United States.

That’s right Fred…they were called “Colonists”….sorry you never paid attention in history class and are trying to make up for it by doing rapid google searches. So I guess that those “texans” are the same as the colonists were. There was no “State” of texas yet which was part of the USA…So they were basically one and the same as our Colonists during the Revolutionary War… yet what IS true is that our own US Citizens and even Politicians helped found the war and fight the war of Texas.

Sorry you have trouble comprehending these things… but from one who gets much of their information and misrepresentations from Fox and similar right wing propaganda machines… it’s easy to see why you get led astray so easily when it comes to both comprehension and logic.

Oh and like you lash out about the French…you do the same with New Yorkers as well. Truth be told….it’s always those like you have have never BEEN to NY or France which have such well informed opinions about the people and cultures of those areas.

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Well, many in the Blue States would probably welcome the secession movement. In 2005, the support of “our Southern cousins,” (the CSA, AK, OK, KY, and WV) cost us in the North a doubling of the Federal budget deficit.

Hearing about threats of secession by the South has the same sound to me as hearing that the panhandlers in a big city were threatening to leave town — don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

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Yeah, that fiscally sound blue state of washin…oops, i mean cali..i mean new y.. i mean michig…i mean rhode isla…hey where the hell ARE you from, Palouse?

Besides, sooner or later, the pac nw will be a massive lava field and pyroplastic flow…

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Fred: As far as leased equipment? I doubt if they seceded they would just give it back, don’t you?

Well if they didn’t what are the odds that the US will come and take it back?

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Mexico wasn’t defending the settlers in Texas from Indians which was the basis for the Texan settlers (a lot of them from Mexico) wanting their freedom from the Mexican government.

Secession is crazy talk…

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Take their guns?,
You come first……………if you have the nads.
My money is your a left wing idiot.
You would not know a Dicator if he hit you with a club.
Your country is burning to the ground.
The economy is cratering, and NO WAY to turn it around.
We are SO diverse in our views, and what /how we want to live…..it’s better to separate, and go our separate ways…
We are all soon going to live through times not seen since the Great Depression, except it will be worse.
Be the Ostrich, keep your head in the sand.
The Leadership in this country has made us more separate, and more distrustful of Gv’t,and racially charged than anytime in my long life.
Contrary to their promises.
If you don’t GET it now, you will SOON.

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what’s wrong with secession? Divide the country in two, let the left wing big government types form a democracy and the right wing constitutionalists form a republic. We’ll see which country is better…I’ll sell everything and move to the republic.

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Secession: the only good idea I’ve ever heard from a conservative. They want to go and we want them gone, so we can realize America’s promise and potential. We just need to figure out how to piss the conservatives off even more so that they stop running their mouths and follow through with their promises!

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