When secession talk is in the air, the nation has lost its bearings
Zach Wamp, an eight-term Republican congressman from Chattanooga, is leaving the federal government behind to run for governor of Tennessee.
Last week, Wamp suggested that he might not be alone, that the entire state of Tennessee might leave the federal government.
Rep. Zach Wamp (R-03) suggested TN and other states may have to consider seceding from the union if the federal government does not change its ways regarding mandates.
“I hope that the American people will go to the ballot box in 2010 and 2012 so that states are not forced to consider separation from this government,” said Wamp during an interview with Hotline OnCall.
He lauded Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX), who first floated the idea of secession in April ‘09, for leading the push-back against health care reform, adding that he hopes the American people “will send people to Washington that will, in 2010 and 2012, strictly adhere” to the Constitution’s defined role for the federal government.
“Patriots like Rick Perry have talked about these issues because the federal government is putting us in an untenable position at the state level,” said Wamp, who is competing with Knoxville Mayor Bill Haslam (R) and LG Ron Ramsey (R) for the GOP nod in the race to replace TN Gov. Phil Bredesen (D).”
Over the weekend, Wamp backed away from that suggestion, saying that if elected governor, he would take secession off the table. While that might be cause for relief, it’s a sign of very strange times that such remarks would even by uttered by legitimate candidates for major office.
But before you start dismissing those folks up in Tennessee as a little tetched in the head, let’s remember that the Georgia Senate last year passed a resolution also endorsing secession as an option, but in much more explicit detail.
Among many other things, SR 632 stated that under the Constitution, the only crimes the federal government could prosecute were treason, piracy and slavery. “Therefore, all acts of Congress which assume to create, define or punish [other] crimes … are altogether void, and of no force,” the resolution declared.
SR 632 also warned that if Congress, the president or federal courts take any action that exceeds their constitutional powers, the Constitution is automatically rendered null and void and the United States of America is officially disbanded.
The Senate approved the resolution 43-1, largely because few people knew what it contained. However, it was sponsored by most of the GOP leadership in the Senate, who presumably were more familiar with its contents. And rather than take the side of sanity, every Republican in the race for governor at the time, including Karen Handel, endorsed the resolution’s message. (Nathan Deal, still in Congress at the time, was not yet an announced candidate and to my knowledge has not taken a position.)
It might be interesting, and revealing, to get Handel and Deal on record again before the Aug. 10 runoff. By asking the question, we’d get an answer to a more important question:
Which of the two is more willing to pander to the crazies?
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Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2010
10:36 am
“CHINA WON”T LET US!!!”
Hmmm…maybe not. Maybe we should offer to let them take over the states that aren’t happy in THIS union (in exchange for our debts)and let those state join that one.
Dusty
July 26th, 2010
10:37 am
Well, howdy! I see the morning crew members from Faulty Towers are all here in their usual uptight , oh those -crazies comments. I give Bookman credit. He is the best rabblerouser since Lester Maddox left the scene. But Lester was more engaging and HAD FRIED CHICKEN. Bookman’s got nothing but refried burnt beans.
But, dear lemmings, haven’t you noticed that a majority of this country are totally dissatisfied with the present administration overlooking everything they like or dislike and raging ahead to a deficit of FOURTEEN TRILLION and jobs as scarce as hen’s teeth? Nawww, you wouldn’t notice a little thing like that. That is why some states are trying to get your ATTENTION!
If I may be so bold, why don’t you elect RedNeck(D) as your representative to Congress. He’s crooked enough., Or Granny Godzilla who hss so much paid political experience and could get even richer there. .You know. Somebody oughta do something before Venezuela and Cuba start sending aid packages to their socialist buddies here. Poor babies! As Jimi Hendrix sang “Can’t get no satisfaction!” And Libs keep passing the blame!!
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David S
July 26th, 2010
10:39 am
Awesome. The more seccession talk the better. Restore the Articles of Confederation or just end this mess. GA would be far better making free and unencumbered associations among its fellow states than having to bear the burden of the failed monetary policies, failed foreign policies, and federal mandates coming from DC. The sooner we end this failed experiment, the better we will all be. Peaceful seccession can definitely happen and this discussion needs to go on in every state house in america.
Arthur Williams
July 26th, 2010
10:39 am
Why doesn’t the federal government treat these fools like states that want to leave the union. The feds should remove all military installations, federal building, and quit doing federal business in these states.
GD bunch of confederates will not rest until they have destroyed our nation. Why, they have to be racist, just can’t live without harboring those feelings. So very sad!!!!
ken R
July 26th, 2010
10:40 am
First of all it ain’t gonna happen.
Seeing as how Health Care came up did everyone see this weekend that jolly old England is scrappint their socialistic system as it’s bankrupting them?
I wonder how many of the lame stream media will report on this today?
Kamchak
July 26th, 2010
10:40 am
FairTax—SQUIRREL!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
July 26th, 2010
10:40 am
If I may be so bold, why don’t you elect RedNeck(D) as your representative to Congress. He’s crooked enough.
And just for that, Sister Dusty, I’m accidently on purpose going to forget to load the gallon jugs of cheap wine you like to guzzle before you blog.
W
July 26th, 2010
10:41 am
Can you imagine during the failed Bush regime if a Democratic governor from the Northeast spoke of succession. The talk would be of treason, let alone not supporting our troops in a time of war. These lunatic Republicans are a disgrace. Its their way or no way…very unAmerican.
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
10:42 am
I believe when liberals and Democrats were complaining during the Bush Years/Fiasco we never mentioned seceding. We talked about voting out the idiots but that’s about it.
Perhaps we were too busy discussing the weekly scandals and brain %arts of that crew to focus on something so drastic as secession.
Of course if we had succeeded we would of had to bail the US out within 2-3 years since Republicans can’t run a lawn mower, much less a country.
Craig
July 26th, 2010
10:43 am
Wow Dusty, that was some good stuff.
Matti
July 26th, 2010
10:44 am
Dissent is patriotic. Nobody is saying you have to agree with your elected officials. But if you don’t have the courage to stand up and work to make your country a better place, you’re a coward. Your secession talk makes you a traitor, and I will applaud when they hang you by your traitorous, cowardly, yellow neck.
Jason T
July 26th, 2010
10:44 am
I guess Secession would be much better than the country “capsizing”.
BADA BING
July 26th, 2010
10:45 am
It would be a cool country. It would have a guitar on the flag, the National Anthem would be played on a steel guitar, sung by Dolly Parton.
booger
July 26th, 2010
10:45 am
The nation has clearly lost it’s bearing, otherwise talk of succession would not be in the air. There are many such as me who are tired of seeing our country dismantled before our eyes. There are many who do not hide from the fact that their children and grandchildren are being saddled with a debt they can never pay. There are many who understand that this administration is the only one left in the free world who thinks we can spend our way out of recession and debt.
You may not have noticed, but for many, things aren’t going so well.
lovelyliz
July 26th, 2010
10:46 am
I find it interesting that some folks are still fighting and rewriting the Civil War. Them and the we object to every penny that President Obama spent but didn’t utter a sound during the Bush Jr years still, we want everyone to take us seriously as fiscal conservative, neo-cons.
BADA BING
July 26th, 2010
10:46 am
The Tennesee Presidential Palace would have rockin’ chairs on the portico.
BADA BING
July 26th, 2010
10:47 am
Enter your comments here
Kamchak
July 26th, 2010
10:47 am
I guess Secession would be much better than the country “capsizing”.
I guess a .45 to the brain is better than a headache.
Jackie
July 26th, 2010
10:47 am
Do you find it strange to see some of the so-called conservatives go off the deep-end about the government being the problem,yet, they are trying to be elected to the government structure?
We have many who listen to this foolishness and believe the conflicting points are valid.
popeye
July 26th, 2010
10:48 am
“Poor babies! As Jimi Hendrix sang “Can’t get no satisfaction!”
Anybody here remember Jimi Hendrix ever singing that song?
There was this obscure group called the Rolling Stones who at one time sang a song by that name.
but, Jimi Hendrix?
BADA BING
July 26th, 2010
10:49 am
The First Lady would have tattoos and a few teeth.
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
10:49 am
spend our way out of recession and debt.
What are you smoking? You aren’t operating heavy machinery, are you?
Jason T
July 26th, 2010
10:49 am
Kamchak
July 26th, 2010
10:47 am
I guess a .45 to the brain is better than a headache.
Hey, go for it.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
10:50 am
Normal, you are anything but normal (that’s a compliment). Dusty, I’ll concede the dissatisfaction with the current administration, when you concede that Bush (W) was more like Carter than Carter. I find it amusing that the neo-com LEMMINGS think Obama just took office and grabbed his dad’s China-issed Visa – you know, the one with the $11 trillion limit (Newt’s analogy)? The “stimulus” package is about 1/10th of the tab. 2/10th is the war tab from the previous “teenager” in office, and the bulk of the $11 trillion reflects debts already on the books (Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, defense spending – including the after care for the tens of thousands of wounded/disabled vets). So maybe, now that I think about it, Texas and Tennessee and any other state can “opt out” of the union; when they repay all the pork they have consumed for the past 150 years, AND pay 1/50th of the aforementioned, much ballyhooed $11 trillion debt. If the USA were run by a bartender (”no overnight tabs”) we wouldn’t be in this mess. All these states have been drinking on somebody else’s tab.
Dirty Dawg
July 26th, 2010
10:51 am
Anyone that is serious-minded, objective and will spend a little time reading more – and I don’t mean the right-wing trash – about the reality of the Carter Administration as well as that of the Reagan era, has to come out with a positive opinion of Carter and negative one of Reagan.
As for this secession thing…it’s absolutely the most absurd thing imaginable. Was talking to some Texas friends recently and was truly surprised to hear them ‘remind’ me that Texas remains a ‘Republic’ and, therefore has some exceptional ability to pull out if they should choose to – and they said it with pride – amazing. I know, let’s go to war over it and see how many more Americans can get killed just because we are an ‘effin’ bunch of idiots.
stands for decibels
July 26th, 2010
10:51 am
About a year ago I had the privilege of serving on a jury, which provided me with a bit of free time during a lunch break to check out my county’s relatively new JustoPlex (courtrooms, offices, and such in L’ville).
Among the niceties was a gleaming memorial to the county’s fallen soldiers in the wars our nation has fought, starting with the current invasions/occupations, then going back to Vietnam, Korea, Second World War, First World War, Spanish American, the War Between the States…
And that’s when I kinda flipped out. The War Between the States? This memorial went up in, I believe, 2002 or 2003; these freaking goobs, in the Two Thousandseez, are still incapable to call this conflict what the entire world calls it?
I guess this is my roundabout way of saying the information in Jay’s post comes as no huge surprise.
BADA BING
July 26th, 2010
10:51 am
The State House would have a bar and a BBQ joint.
@@
July 26th, 2010
10:52 am
Where do I draw the line?
Between the value of my intrinsic money and the government’s fiat money.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
10:53 am
hey Dusty, put the fried chicken down and check your copy. (Socialist, Hippie, Britons) The Rolling Stones sang; “…can’t get no satisfaction…” Jimi Hendrix (American, former member of the 82nd Airborne) sang; “…’scuse me, while I liss the sky…” (Purple Haze).
stands for decibels
July 26th, 2010
10:54 am
Anybody here remember Jimi Hendrix ever singing that song?
while it wouldn’t surprise me if Jimi had covered it, I suspect he’s thinking of Otis Redding’s version.
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
10:56 am
There are many who understand that this administration is the only one left in the free world who thinks we can spend our way out of recession and debt.
So it worked to get us out of the great depression but it won’t work again? Check this chart out and choose 1929 as the first year and 1945 as the last year.
http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=5&ViewSeries=NO&Java=no&Request3Place=N&3Place=N&FromView=YES&Freq=Year&FirstYear=1929&LastYear=1945&3Place=N&Update=Update&JavaBox=no#Mid
You will notice that by 1940 (before WW2) we were back to 1929 levels.
BADA BING
July 26th, 2010
10:57 am
The Presidential Limo would be an F 350. Air Force Onewould be the Channel 3 News copter.
SaveOurRepublic
July 26th, 2010
10:57 am
Wamp’s off the mark refering to Perry as a “patriot”. Perry is one of the key proponents of the NAFTA/NASCO “Superhighway” (running from Mexico, through the U.S. to Canada) as a mechanism for better importing (3rd rate) goods from Red China. In addition, Perry proved he’s a Globalist pawn via his attendence of the 2007 Bilderberg conference in Istanbul. Perry also endorse (fellow Neocon) Rudy “Ghouliani” (9/11 profiteer) in 2008.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
10:57 am
oh, and I forgot (as did Dusty, et al) to mention TARP (Bush), which is about $1-2 trillion of the current tab.
obama's fault
July 26th, 2010
11:00 am
mm
“Get serious. Bush created Homeland Security. Have you heard recently how bloated that agency is? Where was your poutrage?
Did I say that I supported this program or that administration? Nope. I was, as you say, “poutraged” at the enormous organization that came out of that too. It is humorous how you automatically jump at the conclusion that I was all for Bush’s admin. I am curious though. With the dems holding Congress since 2006, how come they haven’t done anything to stop it? It sounds like you hate it so much. Where is your “poutrage?”
“Also, tax rates are the lowest they’ve been in 60 years. Please educate yourself.” Okay, where to start here?
So that makes having large income taxes okay? Because they are the lowest they were in 60 years? That’s the best argument you can come up with? Okay, they are also higher than they were 80 years ago and they are much higher than they were before the Civil War, when there was none. If you want to apply historical values, I guess that means we shouldn’t have any. Do you seriously think it is a fair system where 50% of the people pay 97% of the taxes in the country or the to 25% pay nearly 90%? How is fair that the bottom 50% actually get money back from the government at the expense of people who are paying taxes? Do you think that is what the founding fathers meant for this country when they wrote that “Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.” This huge discrepancy in income tax burden is anything but uniform.
Do us all a favor and educate yourself, because you obviously have NO CLUE.
popeye
July 26th, 2010
11:00 am
sfd .. You may be right! Jimi and Otis had very similar styles….Ha Ha Ha! smiley face!
getalife
July 26th, 2010
11:01 am
I have to question their patriotism.
Patriots do not threaten to leave their country because they lost the health care debate but our no accountability society has changed.
Everybody cheats to win and nobody likes a good loser.
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
11:01 am
1940 (before WW2)
I should have said “1940 (before we entered WW2)”
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
11:02 am
Dirty Dawg, Roger Wilco. if you have not, grab some back issues (2007-2008) of that Commie, pinko, left wing, socilials rag; THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE. Carter’s biggest “liability” was his candor (he didn’t spin s**t). He many not have had all the answers (any answers), but he didn’t fabricate answers, either. Note to neo-cons; fabricating “answers” is where debts originate.
Peadawg
July 26th, 2010
11:03 am
“FairTax—SQUIRREL!”
There’s Kammy with his rodent fetish again. You want to see someone about that!
Curious Observer
July 26th, 2010
11:03 am
Headline seen last week on The Globe, a tabloid, under a picture of Laura Bush:
“I’m sick of living a lie. George is a drunk.”
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
11:03 am
So that makes having large income taxes okay? Because they are the lowest they were in 60 years? That’s the best argument you can come up with?
Um, perhaps you haven’t noticed our crumbling infrastructure? Why? no tax dollars to fix stuff, that’s why.
obama's fault
July 26th, 2010
11:04 am
Finn McCool @ 10:56,
Oh come on……Everybody knows its WWII that got out us out of the Great Depression….not this BS Keynsian economics spend today and put it on the backs of the next generation. If it was that important to put so much money into the economy then how come only about half of the Stimulus money has been spent? I think we all know the answer to that question. Obama is saving it for his reelection campaign. He wants to remind everybody that by voting for him, they will get some more of his “free” money.
ty webb
July 26th, 2010
11:04 am
sfd,
You have a point, it should be called by its correct name…the War of Northern Aggression.
Peadawg
July 26th, 2010
11:04 am
You *may* want to******
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
11:06 am
BADA BING, would the White House would be a doublewide? would there be a national “Take Your Child to the Meth Lab” Day? wait a minute, if Tennesse become a soverign nation, how will we (they) be able to distinguish citizens from soldiers? everyone will be wearing camo.
obama's fault
July 26th, 2010
11:07 am
Finn McCool, Funny, where is all that tax revenue going to? Social Programs, A broken Social Security Program, our new healthcare system that will be a complete failure and suck more money, stimulus money that has produced NO jobs? You are saying that we have crumbling infrastructure….I thought that was where the stimulus money was going. We had all of these shovel-ready jobs just sitting there? Where did all that cash go? Oh, that’s right….to repay the unions for their votes.
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
11:07 am
Okay, they are also higher than they were 80 years ago and they are much higher than they were before the Civil War, when there was none.
You can thank the temperance movement for both federal income tax and prohibition. Prohibition couldn’t be enacted because alcohol accounted for more than 80% of federal revenue. So…they had to enact a federal income tax first. Crazy conservatives!
booger
July 26th, 2010
11:08 am
Finn,
Name another first world country who is trying to spend their way out. And by the way, as many economist think excessive spending prolonged the depression as those who think it helped.
One day this recession will end. When it does, I’m sure no matter how long or deep, there will be some who give this administration credit. Just as it did when the depression ended. Most people however will know better.
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
11:08 am
First off, the doctrine of secession was first articulated as an option in Massachsetts in 1820 in reaction to the entry of Maine (which Mass had prior claim to) in the Missouri Compromise.
Second, the name of the late misunderstanding: at the time it was called “The War of the Rebellion” in the North and War of Independence in the South. The term War Between the States was the preferred term both North and South following the cessation of hostilities and reentry of the separatist states into the Union, being seen as a compromise solution. The term Civil War was promoted by the academics and gained ascendency.
While those states of the old CSA are where we are putting our attention, nationalist/separatist movements have gained currency in all parts of the country and are particularly strong in Hawaii and Alaska, with significant adherents in Upper New England, California and the Pacific Northwest. It is a mistake to see this as a “Southern” thing.
Saul Good
July 26th, 2010
11:09 am
David S. said: “…GA would be far better making free and unencumbered associations among its fellow states than having to bear the burden of the failed monetary policies, failed foreign policies, and federal mandates coming from DC…”
Hmmm… I guess you’re right. All one has to do is look at what the Republican leadership did for this state recently. Talk about “failed monetary policies”… I’ll chalk up the foreign policies with all those state lawmakers who talk a big game about curbing Illegal Immigration with their hate filled laws…yet in reality…GA has more of illegal immigrants compared to the border state of AZ… federal mandates? Just look at GA’s school system… heading towards bigger class sizes, less teachers, more programs cut…and STILL perpetually at the very bottom in this nation when it comes to SAT scores…
Makes sense that some in GA would call for secession… simply more ill-informed citizens who never learn from their past mistakes, don’t realize their current mistakes… and talk about things like the Constitution (which they don’t understand and have never read in it’s entirety)… and tax cuts (yet fail to see that they didn’t increase hiring and only ADDED to the current deficit… all one has to look at is each county and see them scrambling to raise taxes/fees, cut services, lay off county workers, teachers, etc…)…
Sure, go ahead and secede… keep the same ol’ idiots in place that ran the state for the past 7+ years. Just by looking at the choice for Govna’ on the right…it’s easy to see that they never learn from past mistakes…in fact they only seem to embrace them. Pretty much why so many of these “debates” are about gays and abortions… I mean if they had to talk about the economy under their current rule…. could you just imagine having to fess up and take the blame????
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
11:09 am
obama’s fault, so I should just take your word for the truth and ignore those annoying statistics?
LOL. Glad you aren’t running the show! Keep up that “back of the envelope math and pull it out yer arse philosophy!” WE have to have burger flippers too!
Matti
July 26th, 2010
11:10 am
Repent, Traitors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeMLaQTwIgU
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
11:10 am
obama’s fault, Social Security is not “broken” – it’s bankrupt; and it is bankrupt because politicians raided the pantry and left IOUs (think the briefcase full of cash in Dumb and Dumber, which kinda sums up our two party system).
obama's fault
July 26th, 2010
11:12 am
Finn McCool, learn some history about income taxes because you are way off. I will give you hint on where to start. The income tax was created to pay for the Civil War, which was about 60 years before Prohibition. Wow……
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
11:13 am
You are saying that we have crumbling infrastructure….I thought that was where the stimulus money was going.
You don’t get out much? I just returned from the Great Smoky Mountain National Parks and there was construction everywhere. Most of the roads were repaved., bridges were being rebuilt or buttressed, etc.
So, if they had spent all that money in one month – without any attempt to containing and minimize fraud you folks would all be going “but…but they just throw money around like a bunch of sailors in port!”
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
11:16 am
From Wikipedia:
The first Federal income tax was imposed (under Article I, section 8, clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution) during the Civil War, then again in the 1890s, and again after the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified in 1913.
Saul Good
July 26th, 2010
11:17 am
neo-Carlinist @ 10:50am… don’t bother talking numbers and facts to Dusty…she’ll only answer them by berating you personally. Wanna real piss her off? Provide a chart with numbers and evidence… oy veh!
(yups…some of those on the right really HATE it when you talk numbers or evidence… I mean that kinda silly stuff is not important…not when you follow people like Beck, Hannity, Palin, etc… I mean those 13th grade educations that gots between them sure comes in handy when rambling about things with no proof to scare and rile up their little hatch-lings)….
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
11:17 am
obama’s fault, check YOUR history books. the original “income” tax was actually presented as an excise tax on whiskey (1794) to pay off the debts from the war for independence. many rural farmers/artisans used whiskey as a currency (as opposed to Federally issued legal tender), which meant whiskey was a de facto “income”. maybe we need to forget about the Tea Party (that is SOOOOO pre-Independence) movement” and get behind “Whiskey Rebellion v 2.0″
obama's fault
July 26th, 2010
11:18 am
Neo-carlinist…..you are right. it’s not broke. It IS broken however and needs repair. I thought it was supposed to be a lockbox, wasn’t it. I think that is how the creator of the internet described it. Unfortunately, it has been raped so many times for social program after social program. Now, it is starting to call in its funds and our politicians cannot seem to understand that it is something that MUST be paid off. Well, until they screw with the system some more(extend the retirement age) so that they can continue to grab money for present excessive spending. This has happened from both sides of the aisle and it is a shame. I just wish they could give everybody the option to put their 7.5% and the employer’s 7.5% match into the system or take the money and put it into their own plan.
bart
July 26th, 2010
11:22 am
Surely these right wing crazies cannot possibly think we’d be better of seceding!! Our economy would be in shambles after all the military bases pulled out of our state, and we no longer had the benefit of federal aid. National and international businesses and corporations would pull out and go elsewhere. The negative repercussions would be endless. And, by the way, josef nix, the separatist movement is strongest in the South. If you think any other states would actually seriously consider seceding, I have some beach front property in North Dakota I want to sell you.
Bubba
July 26th, 2010
11:22 am
Wingnuts in Georgia, Texas & Tennessee may be dupes for a communist plot. See “As if Things Weren’t Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S. – In Moscow, Igor Panarin’s Forecasts Are All the Rage; America ‘Disintegrates’ in 2010,” Wall Street Journal, 12/29/08, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html . I had ancestors who died fighting to break up the union, and others who died fighting to preserve it. May God preserve the United States of America.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
11:23 am
Saul, agreed. I can take the mudslinging and bottom-feeding political nonsense to be expected. let’s face it, Bush started two wars (which the neo-cons now say were “authorized” by a Democrat controlled Congress – which may or may not be true, but there is the matter of WMDs, etc…). also worth noting is GITMO. Bush and Cheney’s open-ended “asset in the war on terroris” which has been universally condemned by liberals and paleo-conservatives alike, but now Obama “owns” it because he hasn’t closed it (yet) as “promised”. but politics (and my opinons of both Bush and Obama) aside, as a quasi music historian, I found her faux pas about Hendrix/The Stones to be particularly offensive.
DawgDad
July 26th, 2010
11:24 am
“When secession talk is in the air, the nation has lost its bearings”
AGREED! Now, let’s get to work and FIX the FEDERAL government problem!
As for the Lutherans, well, I am one. Lutheran Synods are not monolithic theologically. People are free to worhip where they chose according to their preferences and beliefs, and I’m sure many will exercise their freedom.
Bubba
July 26th, 2010
11:24 am
Are Zach Wamp and Karen Handel KGB agents? http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
John Birch
July 26th, 2010
11:25 am
Saul – You mean the choices for Governor period don’t you? Handel and Deal are both flawed but King Roy was already governor and failed miserably. Only John Monds offers any vision of hope and change.
obama's fault
July 26th, 2010
11:25 am
Finn McCool, “You don’t get out much? I just returned from the Great Smoky Mountain National Parks and there was construction everywhere. Most of the roads were repaved., bridges were being rebuilt or buttressed, etc.”
Wow…all those new roads and unemployment is around 10%(we should really use the labor utilization rate because the only reason why the unemployment is even that low is that so many people have become discouraged and no longer apply to the unemployment rate). They must surely be doing a good job in containing that waste fraud and abuse. But hey, for giggles though let’s use the admin’s data from recovery.gov. They claim to have spent $202 B in recovery funds and have 682,370 jobs from the act. That translates into a whopping $296,000 per job. Hey great oversight on that one. Maybe the guy in charge of overseeing it is using some of it to pay for all of the illegal contributions that he received in his run for President. Hmmmmmm
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
11:26 am
again, for the record…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_New_Afrika
TPer'10&'12
July 26th, 2010
11:28 am
The Tea Party represents Americans opposed to Bush’s TARP too. Obama’s TARP II, III, IV, V………………..
Candidates Feel TARP Heat
In ‘08, George W. Bush’s top economics experts warned that if the government didn’t bail out key banks, the economy could fail. What they didn’t say is that anyone who voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program — regardless of party — would face the prospect of losing their jobs over the vote.
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2010/05/candidates_feel.php
songbird
July 26th, 2010
11:28 am
Bill Orvis White – you sir are a nazi. Before I would be subjected to what you propose, I would take you and all of your kind out. When I say out, I mean out permanently.
obama's fault
July 26th, 2010
11:28 am
Finn McCool, thanks for your research that proved nothing other than to restate my point that the income tax was created to pay for the Civil War. Great job genius.
DEEP THROAT
July 26th, 2010
11:28 am
The nation has lost its bearing, Yet people still worship that idiot who is supposedly leading this nation. Wake up America, lets reyake our country.
Desperado
July 26th, 2010
11:29 am
Is it the results of Republicans efforts that is making citizens think of seceding from the Union? Or is it the present federal government administration ramming laws down the throats of its citizens and states and bankrupting everyone? I think seceding is the correct alternative which is provided by the constitution. OR we can round up all the progressive liberals and try them for treason. You know, for trying to overthrow the republic by turning it into a dictorial socialist state against the will of the majority. The progressive liberal must be defeated to save our union. No rhetoric or amount of money should stop this effort.
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
11:30 am
John Birch
According to the logic that the Libertarians are really white Republicans, Monds is white…
I’m kinda looking forward to the campaign once the GOP makes its pick… Not going to hear much about Monds in the press, though…
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
11:30 am
obama’s fault, I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but I am pretty sure Congress – via the “deficits don’t matter” economic policies of St. Ronald the faux-Conservative got the keys to the “lock box” in exchange for a signing off on the “supply side/trickle down” policy. as I said, not sure, but I think that’s when the monkey left the cage.
Saul Good
July 26th, 2010
11:30 am
neo-Carlinist, don’t forget about how they were going to PAY for the $$$Trillion+ Iraq war… I recall DICK saying something about Iraqi oil paying for it…or was that just the no bid contracts to Halliburton and KBR that oil was supposed to pay for???
booger
July 26th, 2010
11:31 am
Quebec has been talking and actively trying to succeed from Canada for many years. Does this mean Canada has lost it’s bearings? Is Quebec just a province of ignorant malcontents? Are Ireland and Scotland wrong for wanting to go their own way? Is it wrong for a state who cherishes freedom and autonomy to at least look at this option in the face of a repressive socialist administration?
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
11:32 am
LOL, another reason to raise the top tax rate! We were gradually raising the top tax rate throughout the great depression. So, you folks want to end this recession? Raise the top tax rate!
Year Top Tax Rate
1929 24%
1930-1931 25%
1932-1935 63%
1936-1939 79%
1940 81.10%
SOOHSO
July 26th, 2010
11:33 am
A peace treaty was Never signed after the Civil War. Officially we’re still at war!!!!
uckerman
July 26th, 2010
11:33 am
Enter your comments here
Saul Good
July 26th, 2010
11:35 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxzXo78WqSM
Let’s get back to GOOD CONSERVATIVE fiscal policies…
I’m guessing nobody in the last administration owned a calculator….
songbird
July 26th, 2010
11:35 am
What most people don’t get is the jobs that disappeared during this recession, like the ones in 1991 and 2000, are not coming back. Increases in productivity will prevent many of those manufacturing jobs from ever returning. The construction jobs will not come back until the housing market cleans itself out of the excess inventory. Many of the people who are out of work will have to retrain for another job. As long as they keep looking for the same kind of job, they will remain out of work for years to come.
fivethirtyeight.com has a great analysis of the jobs markets during the last three recessions. I would recommend that everyone should read it.
Normal
July 26th, 2010
11:36 am
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
11:08 am
Absolutely correct. And did you notice that the States cited are our fringe States…literally fringe…
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
11:36 am
Saul Good, and maybe that was the plan, until Haliburton took it’s operations offshore (UAE) to reduce its “tax libility”. DEEP THROAT, I am all for “taking the country back” – please tell me who presently “has” it? (resist urge to answer: Obama and the socialists). correct answer: moot point – we the People never had a stake in the game.
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
11:36 am
Created to pay for the civil war? And then it went away. And then it came back in the 1890’s….and then it went away again…
When did it become a permanent part of our lives?
obama's fault
July 26th, 2010
11:38 am
Fin McCool, will we also be raising the bottom rates too like they were raised while the top rate was being increased? You want to end the recession, how about you make EVERYBODY pay their fair share?
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
11:38 am
booger, are you comparing the Unite Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland) with the United States of America? Seems to me we “opted out” of that mess in 1776.
Saul Good
July 26th, 2010
11:40 am
Neo…you’re right…funny how the very one’s shouting that they’re going to “take this country back”… are the very one’s who “gave it away” in the first place.
k…I’m out for a while… maybe somebody make this a bit more fun and throw some religion firebombs into the mix…
BADA BING
July 26th, 2010
11:40 am
If at first you don’t secede…………….
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
11:40 am
The bottom tax rate was 4.4% from 1930 to 1939 and 4.4% in 1940.
N-GA
July 26th, 2010
11:40 am
Finn….you stopped short. The highest tax rate during the Eisenhower administration was 91%! Had to pay for those interstate highways, nuclear missiles and the Korean Conflict.
Granny Godzilla
July 26th, 2010
11:41 am
$296,000 per job!!!
wow that old lie…..
BADA BING
July 26th, 2010
11:42 am
Why doesn’t obama just kick Tennesee’s ass?
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
11:42 am
N-Ga, true, but i was just trying to show what was going on as we emerged from the Great Depression.
Now, let’s get those tax rate increases going!
Bill
July 26th, 2010
11:42 am
Geez, the thought of secession – just what would the new “southern” country look like:
First the states – Tx, Ark, Miss, Ala, GA, Fl, Ok, Tn, SC, NC, WV, Va, Az –
- They will not be broke, nor their people be asked to pay for the liberal ideas in Michigan, NY, and CA
- Abortion would no longer be long running fued – it would be against the law
- There would be no fued over gun ownership
- The new country could drill all they want for oil – and sell it to the Old US
- The new country would have a large portion of the coal reserves Obama wants to not use – and sell it to the old US
- The old US would still have the most pollution and carbon emiters – and could pass cap and trade all they want – the new country would vote along with China and India
The new country could keep illgals out and to heck with the feds – we will also keep out the freeloaders that want to live off of our money.
When can I vote on this?
Desperado
July 26th, 2010
11:43 am
Saul Good
July 26th, 2010
11:30 am
“Halliburton and KBR that oil was supposed to pay for???”
Why did you not submit a bid? Or why did some other companies submit a bid? Oh you cant do the job? So the other companies could not do the job either. So Halliburton and KBR were the only companies available to get the job done. Hmmm I know we should have use affirmative action and created a company to do the job regardless how poor the job would have been or how long it would have taken. Is that not your thinking?
N-GA
July 26th, 2010
11:43 am
SOOHSO – There was no need for a peace treaty. Robert E. Lee UNCONDITIONALLY SURRENDERED. The CSA went down in flames, never to rise again.
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
11:44 am
booger
@ 11:31
It is an interesting aspect of the UNC “Southern Survey” taken periodically that in the question of separatism, the Southern response has mirrored the Quebec response…the others you mention put it in an international perspective. My favorite Yankee professor made the case that the Secessionist movement of the 1860s was itself a product of the Romantic Nationalism prevalent in contemporary Europe…
Normal
And being myself of the lunatic fringe…
obama's fault
July 26th, 2010
11:44 am
Granny, Just using the data provided by the Admin. Prove it wrong. Please. I beg you to prove the data wrong. What is $202 billion divided by 862,370 equals??????? So if anybody is lying then it must be your good old administration. Here is the link….http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/home.aspx It comes with the obama, I mean, recovery logo on it and all.
Desperado
July 26th, 2010
11:45 am
N-GA
July 26th, 2010
11:43 am
The Japanese and Germans surrendered unconditionally too. How are they doing now?