When secession talk is in the air, the nation has lost its bearings

Zach Wamp, an eight-term Republican congressman from Chattanooga, is leaving the federal government behind to run for governor of Tennessee.

Last week, Wamp suggested that he might not be alone, that the entire state of Tennessee might leave the federal government.

From Hotline On Call:

Rep. Zach Wamp (R-03) suggested TN and other states may have to consider seceding from the union if the federal government does not change its ways regarding mandates.

“I hope that the American people will go to the ballot box in 2010 and 2012 so that states are not forced to consider separation from this government,” said Wamp during an interview with Hotline OnCall.

He lauded Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX), who first floated the idea of secession in April ‘09, for leading the push-back against health care reform, adding that he hopes the American people “will send people to Washington that will, in 2010 and 2012, strictly adhere” to the Constitution’s defined role for the federal government.

“Patriots like Rick Perry have talked about these issues because the federal government is putting us in an untenable position at the state level,” said Wamp, who is competing with Knoxville Mayor Bill Haslam (R) and LG Ron Ramsey (R) for the GOP nod in the race to replace TN Gov. Phil Bredesen (D).”

Over the weekend, Wamp backed away from that suggestion, saying that if elected governor, he would take secession off the table. While that might be cause for relief, it’s a sign of very strange times that such remarks would even by uttered by legitimate candidates for major office.

But before you start dismissing those folks up in Tennessee as a little tetched in the head, let’s remember that the Georgia Senate last year passed a resolution also endorsing secession as an option, but in much more explicit detail.

Among many other things, SR 632 stated that under the Constitution, the only crimes the federal government could prosecute were treason, piracy and slavery. “Therefore, all acts of Congress which assume to create, define or punish [other] crimes … are altogether void, and of no force,” the resolution declared.

SR 632 also warned that if Congress, the president or federal courts take any action that exceeds their constitutional powers, the Constitution is automatically rendered null and void and the United States of America is officially disbanded.

The Senate approved the resolution 43-1, largely because few people knew what it contained. However, it was sponsored by most of the GOP leadership in the Senate, who presumably were more familiar with its contents. And rather than take the side of sanity, every Republican in the race for governor at the time, including Karen Handel, endorsed the resolution’s message. (Nathan Deal, still in Congress at the time, was not yet an announced candidate and to my knowledge has not taken a position.)

It might be interesting, and revealing, to get Handel and Deal on record again before the Aug. 10 runoff. By asking the question, we’d get an answer to a more important question:

Which of the two is more willing to pander to the crazies?

349 comments Add your comment

Scout

July 26th, 2010
9:06 am

Jay:

“The Nation has lost its bearings”

Very good! Now whose fault is that?

“And so he bowed”

FrankLeeDarling

July 26th, 2010
9:09 am

Hard to believe the GOP takes their BS seriously

Doggone/GA

July 26th, 2010
9:09 am

Personally…I don’t think the nation has lost it’s bearing at all. We have too many people with a public voice who’e lost their marbles, but the country’s bearings are just fine.

jt

July 26th, 2010
9:11 am

Crazies?

Congress would do well to listen to these crazies. Not journolisters or moochers.

Only people have wealth. And when we finally get smart enough to with hold this wealth from the crooks and liers in Washington, DC will wither on the vine.

Americans will remain. America will remain. The People will remain. The nation will remain. The US Government will not. Without that Barney Frank, Rangel Dodd Warmongering Pakistani Mango burden, we will all be able to breath a huge deserved sigh of relief. And be free.

joe matarotz

July 26th, 2010
9:11 am

Stupidity in government. What a novel comcept, Jay. It’s almost as original as biased journalism.

Finn McCool

July 26th, 2010
9:12 am

The righties always totally wig out whenever a Democrat becomes President.

Yawn. Same sheeot, different decade.

Let’s take their guns and really give them something to wig out about!

Gale

July 26th, 2010
9:12 am

“pander to the crazies.” Boy, ain’t that the truth! I read that moderates in America are something like 57% of the electorate. That leads me to believe the only reason politicians pander to the crazies is for campaign money. The crazies believe they can buy their version of truth. The politicians let them believe that. Moderates simply expect people to do what they are hired/elected to do and don’t contribute. So, politicians just keep on telling lies.

USinUK

July 26th, 2010
9:14 am

I love how the people who think that the government is the problem … serve in government.

oy.

USinUK

July 26th, 2010
9:15 am

Doggone – 9:09 – :lol: well said … I was in full “ohfercryingoutloud” mode, but you said it far more succinctly

mike

July 26th, 2010
9:15 am

Good to see that Jay is focused on serious matters like playing “Gotcha” .

Jay is quite a journalist who makes a great contribution to both our national and local community. His thoughts and perspective are unique. I know that there are some divisive and inane pundits out there, but not Jay. He is a treasure and today’s exercise in cutting and pasting is a great example of why.

That said, if Jay was to move on to another outlet, he could immediately be replaced by any of the other rigid partisans on this board who have demonstrated a similar ability to cut, paste and spin.

Gale

July 26th, 2010
9:17 am

USinUK, (9:14) Why not, I know an atheist who joined a church because he believed they are doing good work. A person who believes the government is the problem may believe he/she can change the process.

TaxPayer

July 26th, 2010
9:18 am

Which is more willing to pander to the crazies!

We’re talkin’ ’bout two of the Republican faith vying for pole position in a Secessionists-R-US southren state. You just did that for the laugh-factor, didn’t ya.

Kamchak

July 26th, 2010
9:19 am

Shorter Wamp — You better be afraid of us taking our bat and ball and going away, because if you don’t, we’ll take our bat and ball and go away.

Fear.

If it’s the only card in your hand, play it twice.

mike

July 26th, 2010
9:19 am

USinUK –

You “working” again? LOL

Seriously, you are flat-out stealing from your employer. Regardless of your politics, you are an unethical employee.

Gale

July 26th, 2010
9:19 am

Geez mike. If you don’t like Jay’s work, why come here? Just to complain about him?

Pennsylvanian

July 26th, 2010
9:19 am

“The Senate approved the resolution 43-1, largely because few people knew what it contained.”

The Ga. senators are now fully qualified to go to the US House of Representatives and vote on important stuff, like Health Care Reform.

stands for decibels

July 26th, 2010
9:20 am

We have too many people with a public voice who’e lost their marbles, but the country’s bearings are just fine.

More or less, sure.

Just a post and run today, but for a little perspective on how Obama’s actually doing (as opposed to what right wing crazies would have you believe), polling wise, I’d suggest this bit from that far-left outfit Gallup…

But here’s really the only thing you need to know on that score:

Obama is holding his own better than other presidents have been able to do with their ratings in their second years in office.

Outhouse GoKart

July 26th, 2010
9:20 am

I guess if GA did secede then the water war would then be a non-issue.

USinUK

July 26th, 2010
9:20 am

mike – as Kam pointed out to @@ last week … it’s funny how you guys NEVER have the same poutrage over the righties here on the blog …

Saul Good

July 26th, 2010
9:20 am

Hmmm…starting a preemptive war against Iraq and spending a Trillion+ dollars doing so…(billions upon billions of it awarded out in no-bid contracts)…losing countless lives… all of which sank the economy because there was never a plan to pay for it… well THAT is “good” for the county. Health care for those that don’t have it…or have reached their limit…or been denied it because of a pre-existing condition… now that’s a reason to move towards secession if I ever heard one!

Obama has it ALL wrong. He needs to cut taxes even more for the rich…and while doing that…Invade Iran and North Korea. Only THEN would he be doing “right” for our nation.

Finn McCool

July 26th, 2010
9:21 am

South Carolina’s about due to secede, aren’t they? They used to secede at the drop of a hat – even South Carolikians joke about it.

Doggone/GA

July 26th, 2010
9:21 am

Thanks USinUK!

Keep up the good fight!

July 26th, 2010
9:21 am

Amazing how the “Country First” party and the party to be claim that they are the only ones able to protect this country’s security are the first to suggest they will destroy the country unless they get their way.

Midori

July 26th, 2010
9:21 am

and whose fault would it “be” Scout?

you come up with the most exasperating crap.

godless heathen

July 26th, 2010
9:22 am

Crazy talk:

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

Finn McCool

July 26th, 2010
9:22 am

Deportation of illegal immigrants increases under Obama administration
In a bid to remake the enforcement of federal immigration laws, the Obama administration is deporting record numbers of illegal immigrants and auditing hundreds of businesses that blithely hire undocumented workers.

The Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration’s 2008 total and 25 percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly quadrupled since President George W. Bush’s final year in office.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/25/AR2010072501790.html?hpid=topnews

Some are just never happy…

Scout

July 26th, 2010
9:23 am

“And so he bowed.”

TaxPayer

July 26th, 2010
9:25 am

Midori

July 26th, 2010
9:25 am

Bowing, versus holding hands and tiptoeing thru the tulips.

your point?

Doggone/GA

July 26th, 2010
9:25 am

I have this idea that we should let them secede. Once they are independent countries, they can get down to the business of negotiating air space access, water access, and road access. Which might not be so easy to get, since they will have shown themselves to be hostile to the USA.

Let’s see how they do with no ability to bring in goods via land, air or water. Let them be “free” and REALLY stand on their own.

USinUK

July 26th, 2010
9:25 am

Gale – changing from the inside is a noble thought – if half the people who complained about big government actually DID anything about it while they were in office, I’d agree, but since government spending increased during Bush’s tenure BEFORE the Dems took congress, that doesn’t really wash

Kamchak

July 26th, 2010
9:25 am

Geez mike. If you don’t like Jay’s work, why come here?

Gale, mike is a bitter, angry ex-AJC employee who has separation anxiety issues. He haunts the AJC blogs merely to express his grudge for not meeting their standards.

Granny Godzilla

July 26th, 2010
9:25 am

There is not enough support for secession in any one state, but if we could just coax them all to move to one particular state we just might
be able to eliminate the least “American” of American’s.

Would they prefer Alaska or Texas?

larry

July 26th, 2010
9:26 am

secession …………………..wasnt that tried once before, how did that turn out?

Our legislature is a joke. Im just glad i dont have to worry about anybody putting a microchip in my body.

seeeesh !!!!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

July 26th, 2010
9:27 am

Well, we want our tax cuts, we need our tax cuts, and we demand our tax cuts. And if us Republicans don’t get our tax cuts, we’re going to go up there to Washington and lay down in the Congress floor and hold our breath and turn blue. And while they’re at it, Congress can just get rid of all welfare programs and Social Security and Medicare and maybe just cancel this Obamacare.

Heck, we’re so Productive they ought to pay us for living here, instead of making us pay taxes and live under their thumb. And if they won’t listen, we just need to break away and form the Confederate States of America again.

Of course, I might could change my mind if Republicans take over the country again. Then everything will be nice and Constitutional.

Zack Wamp? Sounds like some brand of tobacco. And I thought naming my grandkid Sonny Zell George Convert was maybe a little faulty. But at least this Zack Wamp is thinking good. See, us Republicans are law-abiding, tax-paying, loyal citizens if we’re in charge of the country. But if the voters throw us out of office, we think it’s time to form our own country and get rid of the Constitution. Cause we can’t possibly ever be wrong about anything.

Have a good day everybody.

Saul Good

July 26th, 2010
9:28 am

“Let’s take their guns and really give them something to wig out about!”

hehe…funny!

Well according to them…he’s been after their guns since before stepping into the WH… yet none of them can come up with one single bill he’s offered up to try to take them away. Fear works best on them…i wonder just where it is they learned to be so fearful about things that don’t exist. ;-)

K…time to go run before it gets too darn hot to do so!

I’ll leave ya with this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/us/26lutheran.html?src=me

Oh lordy! How dare they allow those “perverts” into positions of power! (didn’t you call homosexuals “perverts” the other day scout)?
I mean… one would think that ALL of them were gay just due to the funny costumes they like to play dress up in. In fact…I think all they’re doing is finally being out in the “open” with it. Good for them… every now and then it’s good to see a small piece of sanity come from one of the cult’s sects… just another small step forward from the dark ages…

Finn McCool

July 26th, 2010
9:29 am

I say we let them go. I mean, how much does Tennessee really contribute to the country anyway?

Perhaps some don’t want to go through the hassle of having to buy new 49-star flags?

Midori

July 26th, 2010
9:29 am

Kammy @ 9:25: :lol:

larry

July 26th, 2010
9:30 am

TaxPayer

July 26th, 2010
9:25 am

Sounds about right from the 431st most effective legislator ( Broun) out of 435 according to Congress.com.

TaxPayer

July 26th, 2010
9:30 am

it’s funny how you guys NEVER have the same poutrage over the righties here on the blog …

They go beyond “funny”. They’re frakking hilarious. Comedy Central should hire them and advertise them as their “Fairly Odd and Unbalanced” segment.

mm

July 26th, 2010
9:32 am

Every week the wingnuts find a new boogeyman.

Let all the southern states secede. Then we’ll have a Dem or Indie president every four years. And since these states won’t be in the house or senate any more, no more filibusters. Then we can accuse these states of having WMD’s, we can invade them, take their riches, and treat them like extra large Gitmos.

Kamchak

July 26th, 2010
9:32 am

Hiya Midori

All is well, health-wise?

load

July 26th, 2010
9:33 am

Time to weed the old,infirmed of the teet of big govt., let’s crank up the death panels and shrink the deficit in one fell swoop….

JohnnyReb

July 26th, 2010
9:33 am

“When secession talk is in the air, the nation has lost its bearings”

The Nation lost its bearings when Obama was voted into office. It’s not the first time, but he ranks up there with Wilson and Roosevelt. The only person who should be smiling is Carter.

Finn McCool

July 26th, 2010
9:34 am

I kinda like Alaska but I could easily give up Texas…

It would be fun to see how long Texas lasts before Mexico retakes it. Hehehe

Jefferson

July 26th, 2010
9:34 am

Tenn was the last to succeed and the 1st to go back…who needs them, bunch of bad drivers.

TaxPayer

July 26th, 2010
9:36 am

Perhaps some don’t want to go through the hassle of having to buy new 49-star flags?

I’m marketing a new design with velcro stars located in the southeast quadrant.

Granny Godzilla

July 26th, 2010
9:40 am

Finn

That’s how I lean as well…..in Texas they can drill for oil and fight the border battles they long for.

BUT….in Alaska they could drill for oil and protect us from Putin’s giant floating head.

Tough choice.

josef nix

July 26th, 2010
9:43 am

Midori

July 26th, 2010
9:43 am

Kammy,

getting better, thanks. It’s all about knowing what I can and can’t eat that will aggravate my gallstones.

One day at a time :)

Devildoc68

July 26th, 2010
9:44 am

Might be a smart idea to separate from the union…then declare war on the U.S. for 6 hours, sign a peace treaty…and get foreign aid…lol

Doggone/GA

July 26th, 2010
9:45 am

Josef – it all reminds me of having a bad cold. Sometimes you just have the let the fever burn itself out before you can start to get better.

Outhouse GoKart

July 26th, 2010
9:46 am

The Stars on Obamas flag would be reduced to 56.

TaxPayer

July 26th, 2010
9:50 am

Might be a smart idea to separate from the union…then declare war on the U.S. for 6 hours, sign a peace treaty…and get foreign aid…lol

But that thar foreign aid is one of the thangs that the southreners is fightin agin. They’s tired of them illegal immigrants gettin all the aid and themselves not hardly gettin nuthin beyond what they was willin to pay fer. It just aint right. THis country needs more Rite-Aid.

Normal

July 26th, 2010
9:54 am

Sorry I’m late…had another ladder episode…don’t ask.

I think the funny (?) thing here is that these people are so focused on getting elected that when they run out of real ideas they start with the fanciful ones….and just for the record, secession is treason, Sonny

josef nix

July 26th, 2010
9:55 am

Normal
For the record, secession was never declared treason and the question was never settled constitutionally.

Normal

July 26th, 2010
10:00 am

Saul,
Your 9:28…Maybe there’s hope for Christianity yet…

Boots

July 26th, 2010
10:00 am

Here’s all you need to know about Zach Wamp. He was a self term limiter, who was too valuable at the end of that limit to keep his promise. He promised never to take PAC money and later paid his wife to solicit PAC money. He got a $1 million federal conservation payment for the developer of his neighborhood, who had already made millions off the unspoiled view the government paid him to protect. Hopefully, Tennesseans are smart enough not to elect this clown.

W

July 26th, 2010
10:01 am

There’s nothing like angry hostile family value people!

Wes

July 26th, 2010
10:03 am

Jay,

Secession is overkill. Even now there are too many things that bind this country together for secession to be anything more than rhetoric.

One major issue though is that we are in many respects a very polarized country. Both parties have overstepped the bounds of their mandate in recent years. Perhaps it might be time to allow states to decide where to draw the line on most issues outside of defense and the environment. Health care, welfare, social security, and education could easily be relegated to the states. We then end up with 50 solutions that are tailored for a specific population rather than one solution that is supposed to satisfy 300 million of us.

And if we don’t like the solutions we have the option to leave.

obama's fault

July 26th, 2010
10:04 am

crazies???? I guess if you were around during the American Revolution, you would have called Jefferson crazy too huh? They guys are making a good point. The federal government is getting too big and too involved in the people’s affairs. They are taxing too much and redistributing wealth too much. Here is something interesting for those who want to ignore the garbage this admin and this Congress is dishing out and actually think about what is going on in the country today….

President John F. Kennedy made the following opening remarks at a White House dinner honoring a gathering of Nobel Prize winners,

April 29, 1962
Ladies and gentlemen:
I want to tell you how welcome you are to the White House. I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.
Someone once said that Thomas Jefferson was a gentleman of 32 who could calculate an eclipse, survey an estate, tie an artery, plan an edifice, try a cause, break a horse, and dance the minuet. Whatever he may have lacked if he could have had his former colleague Mr. Franklin here we all would have been impressed.”

Jefferson in some cases could be called a prophet. So here are some quotes from Mr. Jefferson that seem very appropriate to repeat today:
“When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.”
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
“It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.”
“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
“My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.”
“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”
“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”

In light of the present financial crisis, it’s interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
‘I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks, and corporations that will grow up around the banks, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

Finn McCool

July 26th, 2010
10:06 am

If Americer aint gunna be run like i think it shud, Ise gonna bring it down or succeed from ‘er.

stands for decibels

July 26th, 2010
10:06 am

Your 9:28…Maybe there’s hope for Christianity yet…

Just as a matter of scale and perspective, those 4.6 million gay-friendly Lutherans in America, cited in the article?

That’s about double the typical FoxNews audience on a given night.

Peadawg

July 26th, 2010
10:06 am

“when they run out of real ideas they start with the fanciful ones”

LAMO!! Like the hopey-chaney thing?

neo-Carlinist

July 26th, 2010
10:07 am

all this talk of “secession” is just artificial sweetner for the tea drinkers. you wanna know why no state will EVER secede from the union (hold onto your hats folks, because this will blow you over)? college athletics. that’s right, the BCS and NCAA “free market” enterprise produces hundreds of billions of dollars for “state schools” – especially in states were “sports” are more important than academia (Texas, Georgia, Tennessee, FL, etc.). the logistics of re-working the SEC, or Big XII as an “international” sports league would cost too much. and interestingly enough, there are many who believe the current BCS/NCAA is akin to slavery, which puts an “ironical” twist on the idea that (legal) slavery would prevent secession.

Finn McCool

July 26th, 2010
10:08 am

quotes from founders are used like quotes from the bible – pick and choose whichever ones suit you today.

You don’t see alot of people quoting the “turn the other cheek” or “do unto others”, etc, anymore do you?

Outhouse GoKart

July 26th, 2010
10:09 am

“THis country needs more Rite-Aid.”

If this Country were run like Rite-Aid we would be in big trouble. Uh…hmmmm, this Country is in big trouble.

Outhouse GoKart

July 26th, 2010
10:10 am

Do unto others before they do unto you.

getalife

July 26th, 2010
10:10 am

No country for sane men.

mm

July 26th, 2010
10:10 am

“The federal government is getting too big and too involved in the people’s affairs. They are taxing too much and redistributing wealth too much.”

Get serious. Bush created Homeland Security. Have you heard recently how bloated that agency is? Where was your poutrage?

Also, tax rates are the lowest they’ve been in 60 years. Please educate yourself.

load

July 26th, 2010
10:10 am

I long for a time not so long ago when spring was in the air and GW played finger-tickle with Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, when it was un-American to criticize a sitting President, when women knew their place was barefoot and preggers and gays fought for their Country while staying in the closet….

Doggone/GA

July 26th, 2010
10:11 am

“Bush created Homeland Security”

Congress created it, Bush signed it…but it was first put forward by Clinton, but Congress wouldn’t pass it during his admin. And just for the record, *I* was and am against it existing in the first place.

John

July 26th, 2010
10:12 am

Typical column. I find it amusing that you simply pick sides to suit your needs, ignoring any inconsistency. If it’s about gay marriage or legalizing marijuana, you’re all for state’s rights. If it’s about immigration, it’s all about the Fed. The fact that the media is so hypocritical is why so many in this country no longer get their news or information from the traditional media, especially print. Good luck on the soup line.

Doggone/GA

July 26th, 2010
10:12 am

“Do unto others before they do unto you”

quoted from the Devil’s “bible” no doubt.

Peadawg

July 26th, 2010
10:14 am

Whoever said “love thy neighbor” never lived next to a Florida Gator fan.

Bill Orvis White

July 26th, 2010
10:15 am

Of course the left would like to make this bigger than what it is. The Honorable Mr. Wamp and many others feel that the federal government has expanded and encroached too much on the states. If this pattern continues, then it ought to be up to certain states to opt out of federal programs and laws.

While I hope and pray that this will happen, I know in my heart that it would be a tough road to go down at this moment. I think the next best thing is for Southern states to form a coalition whereby we set up many things between ourselves. Let’s say that the Southern Coalition is in favor of the FAIR Tax. OK, then we all opt out of the IRS’ illegal program and adopt the FAIR Tax in the Southern Coaltion. Next up, trade. We decide to opt out of taking in goods from the Godless Northern and Western states. Instead, we trade mostly with each other in the South and extend the invite to the Midwestern United States and hard-working mass producers who create jobs like China and Saudi Arabia. This is where people give me a lot of heat, but hear me out. Those Reds work hard and can produce inexpensive items for us. With the Saudis, they are good the Muslims who care about producing oil which is still the best way to power up things besides nuclear energy. Next up, if folks cannot get a job, we put the men in the Southern Coalition’s own military and award all women to be schoolteachers.

If we follow this idea, the world will see that the Southern Coalition will have zero unemployment and a thriving economic base. We will have enriched weapons rights and institute religious studies in our own privatized schools run by the ladies.

I don’t think that this is too much of a fantasy for me. The way things are going, I know that I might see this vision in my lifetime.

God Bless,
Bill Orvis White

Pennsylvanian

July 26th, 2010
10:16 am

neo-Carlinist – How about a ‘New CSA”? Tx, La, Al, Fl, Ga, SC, NC, and Tn. Vt can secede if they want, but can’t join the New CSA. Beautiful state, Vt, great scenery and cheese, but Vermonters are crazy. Going naked in public and so forth…. They also like to carry guns, but I don’t think they do both at the same time.

N-GA

July 26th, 2010
10:17 am

These people talking secession should be investigated for sedition. If they are guilty of sedition, they should be shot, or sent to Guantanamo to hang out with their brethren extremists. They are no different than the Timothy McVeighs of the world. They want to overthrow the ballot box. How un-American.

JuneBaby

July 26th, 2010
10:17 am

I for one will remain a citizen of the U.S…., I DO NOT PLAN ON BEING A MEMBER OF SOME 3RD WORLD GOVERNMENT. No moreso than the 3rd rate state i’m part of now. How would that work, would they try and force people to forego allegiance to the current government, because i doubt if everyone plans to secede with them! Would there be raids on and over the Chatahootchie river? I’m just curious, as to whether this time the secessionists would try and burn Atlanta to the ground. What kind of scorched earth policy would there be, once Atlanta seceded from the state of Ga???

The Thin Guy

July 26th, 2010
10:17 am

Most of the really crazy talk scrolls down The Teleprompter of The Teleprompter Reader of The United States. Any escape from this vile tyrant is viable. Problem is if all 57 states secede what will we do on July 4? On the plus side is there would be 57 new countries in the UN. On the minus side, er what is the down side?

Scout

July 26th, 2010
10:17 am

Midiori:

Read “The Grand Jihad” by Andrew McCarthy (Federal prosecutor in the first World Trade Center bombing case).

The very first sentence of the very first chapter simply says …………..

“And so he bowed.”

P.S. Gone for awhile …………….

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July 26th, 2010
10:17 am

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neo-Carlinist

July 26th, 2010
10:18 am

what is it with all the Carter-bashers (JohnnyReb)? you folks need to separate emotion and reason (of course, were this possible, we’d not have any faith-based political initiatives, and folks like Sarah Palin, Pat Robertson and Mike “Hucksterbee” would be regarded as village idiots, and not Presdential candidates, but I digress). At best (or worst, depending on your take), Carter was in ineffective President. And, if he really was in over his head, and the “failure” you clowns claim he was, how did he get elected? hmmmph, do the words; Nixon/Watergate come to mind? And for all the baseless hyperbole, Carter had the vision and prescience to warn of our dependence on foreign energy, and the potentionl “cost” (in blood and treasure) of our addiction (see: CT’s blog). the the very least, Carter left the USA in about the same shape as he found it. There are some (this blogger) who believe that in doing (accomplishing) nothing, he actually acted as a Chief Executive/leader should act (placing the health of the nation ahead of the “health” of a partisan agenda or personal legacy). so, if you’re a blind demagogue or dyed-in-the-wool conservative, so be it, but stay on message, because the guy who followed Carter bankrupted the country (”deficits don’t matter”) via his “no tax and spend” policies.

Finn McCool

July 26th, 2010
10:19 am

NC turned blue in the last election so we’ll keep it.

mm

July 26th, 2010
10:19 am

“Whoever said “love thy neighbor” never lived next to a Florida Gator fan.”

Peadawg, I agree with you on that one! I’m totally outnumbered down here in FL. Heck, I even married one.

josef nix

July 26th, 2010
10:19 am

Penny

MS, AR, OK and VA don’t get to play this time? :-)

load

July 26th, 2010
10:20 am

Congratulations to the Lutherans for defeating religious tyranny!

popeye

July 26th, 2010
10:21 am

Bill Orvis White

That’s the ticket!

Bill for president of the southern coalition………………

FEAR - False Events Appearing Real

July 26th, 2010
10:22 am

Secession is an old cog in the Southern Strategy wheel. It’s a dog-whistle intended to rile up the economically depressed angst of white voters.

wet wiccan

July 26th, 2010
10:22 am

Josef – Those crazies in Vermont!! Did you know that in 2008 2 towns in Vermont, Brattleboro and Marlboro, voted to indict Bush and Cheney as war criminals. Their police departments have instructions to arrest them should they ever come to their towns.

Finn McCool

July 26th, 2010
10:23 am

I’m sure Johnny Reb, who hates Carter, just loves Reagan. Reagan said government was the problem, lowered taxes, figured out what a bone-headed move that was, and then proceeded to raise taxes 3 times!

At least Republicans are consistent, they always vote in the dumbest guy in the room!

JDW

July 26th, 2010
10:23 am

Scout wrote:

“Very good! Now whose fault is that?”

It started with Reagan and culminated in the abysmal performance of the Bush administration. There was a slight eight year respite when some sanity prevailed in the 90’s. With of course the exception of that bastion of moral values Newt.

The Republicans that promised us fiscal responsibility and smaller government in fact delivered huge deficits and large government, which encroaches on personal privacy in everything from sex to phone taps. Of course if the Democrats had their act together the Republicans would never have gotten the chance.

Maybe a better question is…What do we do now?

josef nix

July 26th, 2010
10:26 am

wiccan
It’s cold in the winter up there…they have to come up with something to pass the time locked indoors!

barking frog

July 26th, 2010
10:26 am

Secession may sound silly but if you will notice whenever any of the ex-confederate
states calls out the national guard, the guard is immediately federalized.

RW-(the original)

July 26th, 2010
10:31 am

It might be interesting, and revealing, to get Handel and Deal on record again

Probably would. Now if we could just find someone with media connections to ask them…..

Normal

July 26th, 2010
10:33 am

To you Veterans out there. I will speak in first person but I’m sure you will get the message.

I have served, fought for and bled for this Country for 23 years of my life and I was raised by a military man who fought and bled for this country during WWII. I really haven’t liked what our Government has done the past 10 years, but the talk of leaving this nation is stupid, stupid, stupid. I would give my life to prevent that from happening and not just because I love my country but, very personally, it would nullify my life of service. Brothers and Sisters, I will not allow that to happen.

If I had been born a Georgian in 1847 instead of 1947 perhaps I would feel differently but I wasn’t. That was then and this is now. It’s a stupid sentiment and a stupid topic. If you don’t like what your government is doing, then become an activist like me and work to change what you don’t like from within…but secede? Give me a break.

neo-Carlinist

July 26th, 2010
10:07 am

Yours is probably the truest reason out there and I offer one more…CHINA WON”T LET US!!!

barking frog

July 26th, 2010
10:33 am

thin guy;10;17, 57 states?

neo-Carlinist

July 26th, 2010
10:33 am

can’t say I know how Deal would answer, but my guess is, Handel would like to see Fulton County “secede” from the state of GA until after the election, now that she’s changed her tune on gay rights.

Outhouse GoKart

July 26th, 2010
10:35 am

Carter…LOL. Just the muttering of his name brings laughter.

Finn McCool

July 26th, 2010
10:35 am

Palin/Liz Cheney 2012