Afghan document dump paints a discouraging picture

DDR
Unmentionable’s is a military family. I can imagine yours and Dudley’s “discussions!” They get pretty heated around here, too!

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Except for the details there is not much new here.

The problem has always been the three headed dog in Pakistan. The Paki civilian government sways with the latest check from the US & is subject to Paki public opinion just like anyplace. The military is nationalistic but basically pro US. The Paki secret service is composed to Islamic fundamentalists who basically created the Afghan Taliban in the first place. What they have in common is their hatred for India.

And Afghan is still a 12th century feudal state and will remain so.

There cannot be a US “win” in this scenario.

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DDR. Dudley is what we call a real American.

Bye. Can’t stay!!

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If winning means establishing a stong central government that can control the country, that is not likely to happen. Apparantly, Afgans don’t want that.
We may be able to oust the Taliban from control of the local tribes and give them enough support to keep the Taliban out. That should be our goal now.

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Stay the Course!

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Dusty

July 26th, 2010
2:02 pm

I still can’t understand how you think fighting a war with too many rules on our side and none on their side is patriotic? When the Soviets were there, we supplied the Afghans with Stinger missles to shoot down helicopters. There are reports today that our helicopters are being shot down by shoulder fired heat seekers. Want to bet where they are coming from? Anyway, the patriotic thing to do is to bring them home now and live to fight another day. Absolutely nothing can be gained by remaining there except more heart break for American families.

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Let’s hope this helps our leaders wrap this thing up soon. Enough waste of money already. End it!

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All these 90K pages will do is lead to additional lying from our DC DicTater.

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Guess we’ll have to wait for all the pundits to give us the Cliff Notes version.

You mean “wait for all the pundits to put their particular spin on it to serve their own political needs. Damn the facts” don’t you?

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World powers react to WikiLeaks’ documents

WikiLeaks’ founder Julian Assange said the documents are “legitimate,” but he added it is important not to take their contents at face value.

“We publish CIA reports all the time that are legitimate CIA reports. That doesn’t mean the CIA is telling the truth,” he said.

“Similarly, with this material, there is reporting from military units of various kinds, in Afghanistan, U.S. embassies across the world, about matters relevant to Afghanistan. … Those are legitimate reports,” he said. “It doesn’t mean the contents are true.”

If they’re not true, then why publish ‘em?

Full-blown moonbat.

Weirdo!

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So, did everyone come together downstairs?

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“If they’re not true, then why publish ‘em?”

You “publish” them so they can be checked out and verified to see if they are accurate or not. Being published is no guarantee of factualness.

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DDR

“At first they were; however as the years have gone by I’ve learned just to love him and support him; no matter if he’s a damn fool or not!! ”
I passed that on to Unmentionable. He says, “and I’m sure he feels the same way about you!”

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Well, I went to that Wikileaks site and couldn’t make heads or tails out of all that junk, but my buddy Jim Earl’s real smart and he says Pakistan’s version of the CIA is playing us for fools. They been helping the Taliban figure out how to kill more of our troops while taking billions of bucks we give them.

So I come up with a Republican solution for the problem. Just sell a pack of lies to Congress and get them to vote to give the President the right to go to war whenever he feels like it and then bomb the heck out of Pakistan before sending about a million of our troops in. End it all by hanging the Pakistan president and about a dozen of his people and then hang around for about 7 years of fighting it out with the holdout rebels. If the Democrats complain about it we can always point out how some of them voted for giving the President the right to go to war.

But hold on for a few days. I need the time to round up as much money as I can so I can invest in Haliburton or Xi or whatever it calls itself these days. No use blowing a chance to make a little money out of the whole thing. And if I got any money left over I want to start up a little company that makes magnet ribbons to put on SUVs that say something like Support Our Troops or Burn Pakistan and Taliban.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

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Dusty,

What did Jay do that was Anti-American? You know, Joe McCarthy is dead and buried. And I have not seen many things as anti-American as a bullet in Afghanistan. It is time to get out of there.

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I am glad that we are finally getting the information we need to decide for ourselves. Maybe now popular dissent derived from credible information will help turn the tide of public opinion and force our “Leaders” to bring our children home.

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Oh good, McCarthy. What did he do that was so anti-American again?

Maybe Friday we can do a McCarthy thread then an evolution thread. That should get the music one off to a roaring start.

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I’m so glad this story came out, if only that it led to an easy blog topic for Jay, and one I’ve been waiting for. For an administration rife with errors, basically one blunder after another, this is perhaps the largest one. What’s particularly odorous is that O took his time to make this decision. After weighing all the inputs for weeks and having all the history of our efforts and results in Iraq and Afghanistan to date (something Bush didn’t have when he made the original invasion decisions) the man decides to send 50,000 more troops into this hopeless situation. At a minimum this should be an impeachable offense and should probably also subject O to trial for war cirmes against America and Afghanistan.

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Looks like Hayward is out as CEO of BP

http://www.ajc.com/business/bps-hayward-to-leave-578395.html

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[...] chief denies aiding TalibanAljazeera.netISI orchestrated Indian embassy attack in Kabul: ReportSifyAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog) -CNN (blog) -ABC Online -FOXNewsall 3,948 news [...]

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More of the oily, toxic residue left on the sidewalks of the world by 8 years of the worst & most demeaning period in American history. The BushDrunk years of a quivering mass of ignoble sadness and blighted phlegm. That dumbed down drunk & his cadre of flying monkeys. Today’s Murcuh!!

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Doggone:

You “publish” them so they can be checked out and verified to see if they are accurate or not.

What I’d like verified is whether the Obama administration used this moonbat, Assange, to put pressure on Pakistan.

How pathetic would that be?

My personal opinion is that Bush had it right in Afghanistan. Go in, complete the mission (if not kill, then put Al Qaeda on the run) and get out. Only problem I see is we didn’t get all the way out. Satellite surveillance and a promise to return would have been enough.

I don’t know what the hell Obama thinks he’s doin’ with his surge. With the “facts” in front of him, he sends in more troops?

Maybe it’s one of his campaign promises he’s looking to fill.

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“My personal opinion is that Bush had it right in Afghanistan. Go in, complete the mission (if not kill, then put Al Qaeda on the run) and get out. ”

Yep, he had it right…to bad he didn’t DO that.

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Doggone:

If you think Al Qaeda prime is capable of launching another major attack inside the U.S., then you need to look at all “their” failed efforts in the last nine years. Sympathizers and wannabes…that’s all they’ve got going for ‘em.

The head of the snake has been removed and virtually buried. The body writhes.

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Obama will to start pulling troops from Afghanistan beginning next summer. Bet on it.

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John Birch: “After weighing all the inputs for weeks and having all the history of our efforts and results in Iraq and Afghanistan to date (something Bush didn’t have when he made the original invasion decisions) the man decides to send 50,000 more troops into this hopeless situation. At a minimum this should be an impeachable offense and should probably also subject O to trial for war cirmes against America and Afghanistan.”

Impeachment? War crimes? I guess times have changed since a couple of years ago when the right was insisting that we support our commander-in-chief in a time of war.

Oh, that’s right. A Democrat is in the White House.

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“When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.”

Rudyard Kipling

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Joe,

How much did you bet on Gitmo?

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Fighting wars is really the only way for corrupt governments to survive. The businessmen who could win Afganistan have been co-opted or fled. (see Button Gwinnett). It happens all the time.

Don’t worry, we have invaded Costa Rica to be on the safe side. The lack of media coverage is fascinating. We can keep the military industrial complex going.

There is also Iran or North Korea. It is always better for those guys to be slaughtered than us IMHO.
Don’t think for a minute that they won’t violently plunder US if all else fails. Been done before.(1861-65)

“In a controversial decision that is likely to fan the flames of regional tensions in Latin America, “Costa Rica recently granted the US permission to move 7,000 troops and 46 warships (along with their accompanying planes and helicopters) into Costa Rican waters. Officially, the act is considered to be part of the “Drug War,” which appears to be increasingly more war-like in nature due to such actions and mounting violence in Mexico and Colombia. Costa Rica’s neighbors, however, see the massive military presence as a potential base for regional strikes.”

R & D voters get what they deserve.

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Umm, wasn’t that suppose to be closed 18 mths…err 6 months ago?

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Joe – No party lines here. But Bush had a whole diferent set of circumstances. We were attacked by an enemy that chose to hide among civilians rather than identify itself, one that also moved across national borders with ease. So he tried to combat the terrorists on two fronts. Obama, after seeing the less than stellar result sof both those efforts, REPEATED THE SAME STUPDI, FAILED POLICY. Do you see where there is a diference between trying something in a very difficult situation and repeating soemthing you’ve seen nt work for six years?!!!

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The Bombings Will Continue Until Morale Improves

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Obama’s Afghanistan surge is nothing more than his chosen codpiece to coddle his left-wing base.

coddle: 1 : to cook (as eggs) in liquid slowly and gently just below the boiling point
2 : to treat with extreme or excessive care

Now that same left-wing base is looking to cook your eggs, Mr. President.

Never trust a left-winger. They stand for nothing and everything all at the same time.

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Here’s a good song to describe this, (and one HELL of a great cover of a stone cold classic):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vy1OoBAL-E&feature=PlayList&p=6332B2C1A05D6223&index=2&playnext=1

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Obama should call Crawford and ask GW if he can borrow his flight suit, land on a carrrier and proclaim, “Mission Accomplished”.

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Not many comments on this topic.

I wonder why?

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Del – Campaigner in chief. That really just about says it all. He has proven to be the classic empty suit and a person with that much power who will say or do anything to win votes is very dangerous. Other than vacation days he makes an appearance more than anyone I know with something called the View being next up. Perhaps they can bring Rosie back just for this very special occasion.

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John Birch,

Ever since the campaigner and chief ran for office and won, he’s been running away from his elected office. He doesn’t know how to govern, so continues his endless campaign. You’re right though, he is dangerous.

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I don’t get this boots on the ground to win the hearts and minds of the…vietnamese, koreans, Iraqis, Afghans, etc, etc, etc…approach. It’s pretty hard to win the harts of the locals by invading and occupying unless you’re invading France where the people are basically cowards. I say cut down the casualties and the expenses; get the boots off the ground, maintain a strong carrier group in the Gulf, and bomb as necessary.

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Fred:

Maybe everyone agrees we should get out of there?

That’s not what many of jay’s left-wingers were saying before Obama was elected. Afghanistan was the right war, the good war, the just war.

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A lot of lefties were saying that @@ and I never understood it. Not to keep quoting Doggone, but doggone it, that quote just nails it:

“Winning” should have meant get Bin Laden and get out. That failure happened in the first year.”

We can do nothing now except get Americans killed. Bin Laden split from there a long time ago. Iraq is a debacle. But look at the bright side, have combined the mistakes in Viet Nam by US and the mistakes by the Russians in Afghanistan over a 30 year period all at the same time lol. We Americans are ALWAYS in a rush……….

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“Afghanistan was the right war, the good war, the just war.”

There’s no such thing as a “good” war… One side simply “loses” more then the other. Outcomes may be considered “good”… but war in itself is NEVER a good thing for any and all involved.

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The Associated Press

NEW YORK — ABC’s “The View” has welcomed many notable guests, but none more prominent than President Barack Obama, who is scheduled to visit for Thursday’s edition.

Stinking coward will be interviewed by no one but state run media suck-ups.

I am certain he will paint a rosy picture on the economy, jobs, and Afghanistan, much like his stooges.

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Saul – Maybe they didn’t lose their balls until the 20th century, Napoleon was pretty tough. We bailed them out in WWI ann WWII. By most accounts they welcomed the Americans as much as they had the Germans. Oh and there was that little mess in SE Asia. In return they bailed on us in Iraq in a big hurry. Vichy cowards I say.

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La Fayette nous sommes ici…
War of 1812
WW I
WW 2
Vietnam
Lebanon

I think that debt’s been repaid with considerable interest…

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I’d like to think Iraq and Afghanistan were to establish semi-permanent bases for the inevitable Iran invasion but who knows. One good thing in Iraq, that disaster was at least mitigated by being able to kill thousands of terrorists who came there for the chance to kill Americans. I’d like to see the terrorists killed in Iraq vs terrorists killed in Afghanistan numbers, I’m guessing it’s about 20 to 1 or more.

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del – talk is cheap. find me a link where, when Obama was campaigning, he stated that he would WIN THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN. Oh and don’t b@@tch out and say “find it yourself debbie” or some such crap like that. You made the statement you back it up. Blog rules.

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John Birch: “In return they bailed on us in Iraq in a big hurry”

Baling out on war cooked up on lies, misrepresentations, and fear mongering BS is not “bailing out”… it’s smart. Good for them. Which we could have been so smart…though we had too many idiots watching terror alerts on Foxy News believing that Iraq had something to do with 9-11…. and that Saddam was going to be sending over rubber-band propelled “drones” to spray poison gases on all of our cities… or maybe you were too busy putting up plastic and duct taping your doors and windows (as called for on Foxy News and some of the other propaganda outlets)… oh..btw…it’s okay… you can take that stuff down now. Turns out Saddam never had any WMD’s (besides the one’s the Republicans sold him in the 80’s)…and was never really a threat to us to begin with.

Yeah..the French really screwed up not getting involved in that war…

BTW…starting a war…that’s not “cool” nor does it make someone tough. It’s the “better” man who uses his/her head and avoid the loss of life. (you know…ALL life is sacred right)???

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DebbieDo,

Okay Debbie just to make you happy and from what may very well be one of your esteemed publications no less. After this one Google will have to be your friend.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/obamas-promise-to-win-in_b_117719.html

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“After all Bin Laden didn’t try to kill someone’s daddy”

He killed a lot of daddy’s…You may want to share your formula for winning with Obama, as he seems to be agreeing more and more with GWB.

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By your own link there Saul, the french FINALLY joined us with their meager force in 1781 in a war that ENDED in 1781. Got there just in time for the party in other words, just like I said earlier. And we STILL paid for that stupid statue the “gave” us.

John Birch: Don’t forget that the FIRST battle we Americans fought in WWII was against THE FRENCH.

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Look at all the turn-coat conservatives, where’s your patriotism, why do you want to cut and run….

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Fred@5:04pm,

You’re most correct..good one.

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Hiya, josef!

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Andrew loves Al Queda. Who woulda ever known. Then again, he is a Republican.

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If there were leaked classified reports that were written on every war that has ever occurred in the worlds history there would be facets of them that would not be acceptable to the “public”. But when one is speaking about national defense, what the average “lay-person” thinks is an atrocity may just as well save their ass. World War II is a classic example. So when you see things exposed that are written by military and intelligence people that are supposed to be classified and then those things are dumped to a public that doesn’t have a clue as to the reality of the world and our military situation and they are leaked by some treasonous bastard trying to make a cheap buck or trying to make a political statement, give pause. We have never known all that was going on in the name of our defense and that is as it should be. In this case it kind of like the movie, the public cannot handle the truth. There are too many political prisms to look through at the facts of our defense and political hacks (like Jay) can make fodder of them. Whoever leaked these papers should be tried for treason. Irregardless of the White House’s public stance, Obama certainly didn’t mind this leak. It only plays into his political hands. I mean why else would the Obama admininstration have recently offered guidelines to the NYT’s and some other outlets on managing classified leaked documents? They knew they were coming and they just wanted it done correctly and to their political advantage. There is no correct way to publish classified documents. It is treason and if the White House knew about these papers, they are complicent with the release of classified documents and Obama should be considered treasonous. Of course, we already knew that Obama has been pretty much living on the edge when it comes to law and the constitution. He is relying on the American public to be so ignorant as to not question anything he does. And for a certain portion of the public, he is exactly right. Jay certainly would never question anything Obama does, now would he?

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There is no doubt it shortened the war jonix, but the outcome was no longer in doubt. The french waited until that matter was clear before they gave us overt help. As to the “philosophical nature of our republic?” How was it french? The french revolution wasn’t until 17989. That is 8 years AFTER our War of Independence. Benjamin Franklin was negotiating with King Louis XVI (ie monarchy).

As a matter of fact Jonix, it was OUR lead that the french followed on their path to Democracy, not the other way around.

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LOL 1789, not 17989……….

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This calls for an apology. The Republicans should apologize to the Taliban for the way Obama has been dragging out this war in Afghanistan. All they have to do is take one of their canned apologies to a company like BP and change a few words. They could probably hire GW to hand deliver it for them and even do some hand holding while over there.

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Fred
The nature of the structure of our republic was based in the Enlightenment and the philosophes those French intellectuals whose ideas formed the core of Enlightenment thought…. Montesquieu, Voltaire, Denis Diderot, Jean Jacques Rousseau, Condillac, Alembert,D’holbach, Turgot, and Condorcet among others.

We “reexported” it to France where the early revolutionaries did indeed seek to copy us…unfortunately the Jacobins took over and it went to hell in the proverbial handcart and order reestablished under the far from democratic regime of Napolean…it would be the Third Republic before the American style democracy gained a foothold…

The “French path” and how we Americans would relate to it marked/marred the early days of the republic, laying the foundations of our own two-party system, Jefferson’s Democratic-Republicans being pro-French and Hamilton’s Federalists taking the opposition side. The feud is what led to the Alien and Sedition Acts and the Genet Affair…

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Josef…Fred would rather rewrite history… the battle of Yorktown was what won the war and ended the Revolutionary War. It was done side by side with the French… what Fred said is like equating that because the US didn’t land in Normandy until 1944… they played only a MINUSCULE part in winning WWII.

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Thanks Jonix, I think I’ll research those names. I was always under the impression that we got our Republic from the Romans as it was always Romans I saw referenced by the framers of the Constitution.

Saul: bite me. I have yet to see you post one thing that is true and verifiable. Grow some nuts and address me directly like a man don’t be a coward and talk around me, talk TO me. But don’t expect me to let your lies slide. I neither lie, nor cheat, nor steal, nor tolerate those who do.

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Gotta love Edmond-Charles Genet, josef. He was a shrewd operator.

And it’s goin’ OK, thank you for asking.

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Fred
The Romans and Greeks had their influence on the philosophes, to be sure, but that was the “classical.” The philosophes, though, were the voices of the contemporary concepts in the Revolutionary Era, heavily influencing the thoughts of Jefferson, Madison, Paine, et al. Rousseau, of course, is the key figure, but it was Montesquieu whose ideas were most at work…

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Saul, once again your “logic” borders on stupidity. Are you really this confused?

Yes, the Americans landed in Normandy on Jun 6th 1944, before that however we landed in in Africa, near Casablanco as well as in Algiers in 1942 where our first battle was with THE FRENCH. After we pacified Africa, we invaded Sicily. Sicily led to Italy. Then in 1944 we did in fact invade at Normandy. But that wasn’t our first participation in the war. We were aiding the Europeans much earlier than that.

I don’t rewrite history Saul, I am however well versed in it so you BS ramblings are evident when they are so far from the truth.

Just sad……..

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Fred…you don’t Lie???

Sure ya don’t…and being the honorable “tough guy” behind your Commador64…you certainly like to throw around the word “coward” a lot. For someone whose never even been to France…you certainly have such a well formed opinion about the people, culture, and history of france…

Yeah..I lie huh? I’ve posted so many links, charts, etc to back up what I say/post and it’s always “tough guys” like you and Dusty who never do anything but what you just did…go on the attack personally. That’s okay “tough guy” Fred… you have no fear of ANYONE thinking that you’re a closeted homosexual here. No need to act so tough…(most of all when behind that keyboard)…. you can still be a member of Glenn Beck,s Militia and student at his University without fear of retribution.

Lighten up… it’s a friggin’ blog… k tough guy?

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DAVE R

Wasn’t Genet a pip! Even the taciturn Washington needed 8000 words to lodge his complaint! One of my “other screen” projects this summer was running a fact check on an article dealing in part with the Genet Affair…whoo!

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Del July 26th, 2010 5:04 pm SAID: “After all Bin Laden didn’t try to kill someone’s daddy”

He killed a lot of daddy’s…You may want to share your formula for winning with Obama, as he seems to be agreeing more and more with GWB.

CHRIS SAYS: Like I said earlier, the window to win in Afghanistan was in the first couple of years when the Taliban were on the run. We could have won and withdrawn and called it a great American victory. Anyone who claims we can win in Afghanistan at this point is dead wrong. That includes Obama.

BTW, do you think GWB cared about anyone elses daddy? All GWB and the right-wing cared about back then was to “finish” the job that they believed that his father should have done during the first Gulf War. Right after 9/11, all they could think about was, “How can we pin this on Saddam?”. In fact, the words 9/11 and Iraq were pretty much ALWAYS said in the same sentence. Remember that? Bin Laden and Afghanistan was never the end…..it was a means to an end, which was ALWAYS Saddam. That’s pretty much sums up the period between 2002 and 2009.

THAT’S why we are in the mess we are in now. We screwed up Afghanistan for 8 years straight. The dam went from being cracked to plain broken. Sticking a finger in it isn’t going to fix it anymore.

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I’ve been to france you old depends wearing wind bag. I’ve climbed the Eiffel tower (on the outside one night lol), had coffe on the west bank, and walked through the Arc De’ Triomphe. As a matter of fact, there are few COuntries I haven’t been to you old depends wearing wind bag.

Again you lie and talk out your ass. I have never listened to Glenn Beck. I’m not really sure who he is. But then i guess anyone who doesn’t kiss your depends MUST be a Republican right? Well wrong. It’s funny, I now got an old fart Republican and an old fart lefty accusing me of being a pub AND a lefty. You ain’t too good at arguing are you? You post lies and half truths then get all willowy and pouty when you get called out. and if ANYONE calls you on your lies and lack of logic then they MUST be an evil republican. Once again you show the limits of your mental capabilities.

LOL I never had a commodore64 but I wanted one back in the day. It was a step up from the TRS80 I got. But no, actually I’m currently using a computer I built for myself a couple of years ago. Since you are so interested in my rig, it has a Q9450 (intel quad-core) bedded in an nVidia 790i ulta with 8GB’s of DDR3 1600 RAM with a Velociraptor for the HDD. All in an Antec 900 with a thermaltake 1200 toughpower to power it all. A pair of 5850’s in cross fire provide the graphics and I’m using 64 bit Vista Ultimate. As for my optical drive? It’s an LG DVD HDD/Bluray burner.

Whoops, that lightning strike was close. better turn this thing off before it gets fried………

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md
Heh, heh!

Fred…
Like you, I have a love-hate relationship with the French. My own family background is very French, I grew up with the language and culture “ours.” So, to a great extent when I go off on the French, it’s “personal!”

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There is a difference between winning militarily and culturally. We can claim victory any time we want with the first, probably never with the second.

All we can do is plant the seed and let it grow – like everything in life, it will grow or it will die.

Pull the ground troops, tell the afghanis to implement the draft and patrol with drones – end of story.

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The French are pissed for one reason – the rest of the world doesn’t want to speak french.

Same with many countries that don’t like the fact that English is the predominant language. And since we americans already speak english, we are considered “uncultured”. Truth is, they learn english out of necessity, where we learn languages for the culture.

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Saul it’s just like with Soothsayer and NJ. They disregard it out of hand with nary a fact to back up their argument. Then come the insults.

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Saul, are there any liberals still calling themselves that?

I believe the cover term for you guys is now “Progressives”.

Just sayin’.

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I pretty much only hear the right calling us Progressives…I’m still a lib.

Progressive is the 2010 version of “Elites”… who knows what it will be in 2011
maybe we’ll all be “old depends wearing wind bags” in the lead up to the 2012 elections.

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Daddy, is Afghanistan going to be another Vietnam ?

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How big is big? Attempting to give the Afghan War Logs their place in history requires that this explosion of top secret documentation in the public domain be measured against the yardstick of the sensational 1971 leak of the Pentagon Papers, which changed the course of the Vietnam War.

To date, the logs’ single new revelation on the conduct of the war is that the Taliban appears to have heat-seeking, surface-to-air missiles – one of which brought down a US helicopter.

Take a long, hard look at the photograph.

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““SO not true”???? is SOOOO valley girl(ISH).”

I yike it!!!!!!!!

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Saul,

I would not take ownership of that appellation as yet. Most of us here are of the generation that can well identify with folks in their dotage wearing a pair of “depends”. And, who among us here is not a bona fide “windbag”.?

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@@,

Well I gave Debbie a link as she requested. Haven’t seen her reply.

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“And that, I think, is what is going to happen in both Afghanistan and Iraq. We’re going to lose the peace.”

And there in lies the problem, for “we” will lose nothing. The good folks of those 2 countries need to decide how much “they” want it, for only they can achieve it.

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Doggone/Ga,

I disagreed a lot with GWB but I truly believe that he believed that he was doing the best for America. He may have thought that his father didn’t finish the job but I don’t think correcting a paternal mistake is what motivated him. I think he believed Saddam was indeed a threat. I believe that too, I just think it could have been dealt with differently.

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Valley Girl:

“I YIKE IT” is/has been a phrase used by of my students. One that I refuse to correct because I find the enthusiasm behind it so contagious. Eyes wide, jumping up and down with a big smile on their little faces…I YIKE IT!

what’s not to YIKE? I’ll let the speech therapist worry about that one.

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“Getting rid of the worthless UN is a good starting point”

Amen to that…the UN isn’t our friend.

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Del:

And I’ll add to yours, just in case Debbie is lurking. From an article submitted by Veterans for Peace, found at Common Dreams:

The President went on to say, “I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaida in Pakistan and Afghanistan and to prevent their return to either country in the future. That’s the goal that must be achieved. That is a cause that could not be more just. And to the terrorists who oppose us, my message is the same: We will defeat you.”

Obama’s just war.

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Del
Storm seems to have past. Didn’t go to waste. Had a good conversatio with the little one about G-d, thunder and lightening…

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Daddy, why did Rumsfeld shake hands with Saddam?

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“Daddy, why didn’t Bush even catch bin Laden?”

And how do we know he didn’t…………………….

There is a lot that us common folk will just never know. Remember when Clinton campaigned on releasing all the info on JFK?? Well……….he didn’t.(or couldn’t?)

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“Have they killed the goose that lays the golden eggs? They took all of our jobs now there’s no one left to buy anything.”

Out of curiosity, who’s jobs did we take before they took ours?? Life is nothing but a giant cycle – round and round we go……………

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A real quick one on the Americans and the North Africa campaign…the North African Jews were certainly glad to see them. Rommel had done what he could to protect them, but Vichy was ready to send them packing…

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Doggone/Ga

I couldn’t agree with immoral or criminal. We had a saying in Marines called the pp’s “proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance” We did a poor job of planning and assessing consequences. We failed to acknowledge are serious lack of dependable intelligence in the region and we didn’t think through other alternative strategies. As they say “wisdom is always 20 20 hind sight” but you never want that syndrome to occur in war.

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Man, just watched Chris Matthews get his head handed to him again on Hardball by a Republican. Last time it was an Alabama congressional candidate on his support for the FairTax, and tonight it was Paul Ryan on the subject of deficit reduction.

Matthews needs to stop reading his own material and LISTEN to his guests.

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Del
When the latest Iraqi venture started, Unmentionable said, “and there go the Yankees uninvited again to go and tell somebody else how to live using military force and having no plan at all for reconstruction. Best case scenario, 150 years from now two fat and sassy Iraqi will be cursing the Yankee invaders in Arabic from their balcony in a prestige zip code in Baghdad and it will lose little or nothing in the translation.”

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The free-market fundamentalist crowd told us that globalization was inevitable, there was no stopping it. If that was true then why did we need to pass NAFTA and CAFTA and China’s MFN status? Why did globalization have to be helped along if nothing was going to stop it anyway?

These people on Wall Street didn’t just create the current economic crisis, they also bought your government. These banksters aren’t just an enemy of your economic way of life, they are also an enemy of your democracy.

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Dave
Matthews gets on my last nerve. He’s such a conceited and pompous ass with the manners of a yard dog…

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Doggone/Ga,

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but don’t believe that Saddam wasn’t a a danger to this country and the free world. He was.

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“You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but don’t believe that Saddam wasn’t a a danger to this country and the free world. He was”

I said I wouldn’t try to convince you…do me a favor, and DO NOT try to convince me of that. I flatly disagree.

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“You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but don’t believe that Saddam wasn’t a a danger to this country and the free world. He was.”

And if you don’t believe it, ask a Kurd…

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“And if you don’t believe it, ask a Kurd…”

And while you’re at it…ask a Kurd how dependable WE were.

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As I recall, that toothless UN had several – more than several – resolutions stating Saddam was a problem.

In reality, Saddam and the UN were both the problem.

What good is a toothless world governing body??

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Doggone/Ga,

Copied you 5, I’m out

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Doggone
DO go and ask a Kurd how dependable we were…they’ll be glad to give you an ear full. Seriously, go and do your homework there. It’s the ONE success story out of the whole affair and the Americans and Israelis are their heroes…

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[N]one of this growth in communist China would have been possible without all of the globalism and free trade that U.S. politicians from both parties have been pushing on us for the last 40 years. When they were selling us on the benefits of “free trade” they didn’t tell us that we would end up shipping our economy, our jobs and our prosperity over to China.

The reality is that this “new world” is not very good at all for the American middle class. The economic realities of the 21st century are very cruel for Americans who are seeking to live a middle class lifestyle.

Or how greed triumphed over common sense.

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Daddy,

Why did we help Saddam by giving him WMDs?

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notes to thieves. hehe. some of these are quite funny.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/26/the-funniest-notes-left-f_n_659338.html

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md
O-I-L and that is the point. GB senior made it quite clear that that was the causus belli of the first Gulf War. Liberation of Kuwait was secondary. I could respect that whether or not I morally agreed with it, it was the truth.

And, yes, it WAS the Shia we sold down the river…

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Michelle, WAR is about the only left “made in America”. We didn’t “give Saddam WMDs” – we gave the Mujahdeenn (al Qeda v 1.0) Stinger missiles. We supported Saddam in his war with Iran (1979 – 1988), opposed him when he invaded Kuwait – with our blessing (1991), then we told the world he had WMDs so we could invade Iraq in 2003. Good question about no Saudis, al Qeda, or Taliban in the “deck of cards”.

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“Did the people in Iraq welcome us with open arms before or after we shocked and awed them?”

The Kurds did.

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Watch this full-screen–you’ll love it!

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md
What do you mean can’t have our cake and eat it, too? We can cuss the American foreign policy in Iraq AND drive our internal combustion engine…this is the land of the double standard, left and right…

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“capitalism may very well fuel their democracy……..the box has opened”

Would be great if we could count on it but we can’t. The PLA,(Chinese Peoples Liberation Army) is a strong influence that is extremely difficult for the Western Intel community to penetrate. I’ve been in China and they recruit their soldiers from the rural areas with a contract that say’s a recruit must serve 8 years in the military and then he and his family can move into one of the major cities and participate in the workers paradise. Without serving the rural farmers aren’t allowed to move into the cities. They must survive on their own. Rural China is the real China and it isn’t pretty.

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Hey josef,

What’s happening?

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Del,

But since taking back Hong Kong, the “people” have been awakened to what could be. The genie is out of the bottle – may take awhile, but eventually the human spirit see the chains and will do what is necessary to remove them. Same seems to be happening in Iran.

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**The genie is out of the bottle – may take awhile, but eventually the human spirit see the chains and will do what is necessary to remove them.**

That’s why the cuban embargo is the biggest loser of a foreign policy starting with kennedy right thru obama, no one has the cajones to cast this garbage aside and open that market so it will collapse from within.

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“no one has the cajones to cast this garbage aside and open that market so it will collapse from within”

I’ve been saying something like that for years. I think sanctions are a waste of time and are generally counter-productive anyway. I think we should be fighting hostility with consumer goods. Every time we get threatened start flooding that country with consumer goods. How can the population be affected by sanctions on stuff they never had to begins with? Give them an idea of what we CAN take away. Heck, if it’s necessary – “bomb” them with stuff they can’t get any other way.

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**Heck, if it’s necessary – “bomb” them with stuff they can’t get any other way.**

Now, thats what I call creative bombing…

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**Heck, if it’s necessary – “bomb” them with stuff they can’t get any other way.**

Yep, Playboy all over Iran, and the mad mullahs won’t be able to control it.

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SAUL
Former drug lord? Like the rum runner Joseph Kennedy, Sr?

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Josef: “Former drug lord? Like the rum runner Joseph Kennedy, Sr?”

Absolutely! Dealing with Mobsters was GOOD to him.

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“I agree with you on the “bomb them” with consumer goods. We just have to be the ones producing those consumer goods for it to be effective…”

Sorry, can’t have that…….then the common folk would be part of the “military industrial complex” (even though they already are) and that would be bad, bad, bad…………

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md
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Not to mention, the Chinese might not like it…!

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Michelle,

here’s something equally as stupid as you seem to be stuck on.

ttp://www.apfn.org/apfn/pearl_harbor.htm

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Doggone and md, During Desert Shield (which became Desert Storm) the objective was NEVER to invade Iraq and over throw Saddam Hussein. It was merely to get him out of Kuwait and to prevent him from attacking Saudi Arabia. Let me give you a little history/culture/religious lesson.

Islam has two major factions like Christianity does, the Sunni and the Shi’ites (Christianity has the Catholics and the Protestants). What funny is in simplistic terms, the Sunni’s and the Shi’ites are divided among the same lines as the Catholics and the Protestants, who has access to God. The Shi’ites (Shia) like the Catholics believe that access to God is not for the great unwashed. Only the “leaders” have direct access to God. Sunni’s, like Protestants belief that EVERYONE has access to God and they don’t need a mediator. Now how does this apply to what we are talking about you are now asking. It’s like this.

Iran is Shia while Saudi Arabia is Sunni. While there are major “religious sites” in both Countries, Mecca, the holiest of holies is in Saudi Arabia. Iran wants control of that and will use any means needed to get it. Unfortunately for them, Iraq stands between them. Saddam Hussien was a damn heathen. Although technically a Sunni, he cared only for himself and didn’t care one whit about religion. Through him, the Sunni’s “ruled” the majority Shia population and prevented Iran from getting to Mecca and taking it for themselves. He created an military buffer zone that the Iranians couldn’t penetrate (remember the war between Iraq and Iran). The WHOLE middle east liked the way things were. As long as the Iranians couldn’t conquer Saudi Arabia because they couldn’t get to them, they didn’t care what Saddam did to his people. They DID however want him contained in his own borders so when he struck Kuwait and moved towards Saudi, everyone wanted him back in his own yard. That’s where we came in. We were only supposed to put the mad dog back into his own yard and keep him fenced in. That’s what George HERBERT did. He was an international affairs EXPERT. He knew that we didn’t want to over throw Saddam and then deal with the mop up. Unfortunately his idiot son didn’t and that’s why we are in this mess.

I hope this simplistic overview of world religion and politics helps. Any questions, feel free to ask.

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Daddy, why didn’t President Clinton kill Bin Laden when he had him ?

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Fred,

Thanks for the lesson, now what does it have to do with what I have previously posted??

I said what you said – in 2 sentences.

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Del:

Michelle can’t be orginal so she copies my routine.

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Fred,
You make a cogent argument except you’ve left out 9-11 and the collective belief by most western world leaders and our own congressional leaders of both political stripes that believed Suddam did indeed possess WMD’s. That has never been disproved and in fact has been proved by way of the Kurd gassing. The only thing that has been proved is that we couldn’t find the WMD’s in Iraq. Not a very strong argument that GWD was an idiot.

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Daddy,

Why did Uncle Dick say we would be greeted as liberators and why did you wrap yourself in Jesus while directing American soldiers to torture prisoners of war in violation of the Geneva Convention? I thought you taught us America was different then our sworn enemies. Also, Daddy why did you use granpa’s silver spoon to abuse cocaine in alabama while avoiding the draft?

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Del
For some reason we’ve decided that WMD is nuclear…ask the Kurds whether or not Sadaam had WMDs and whether or not he used them. There was no reason at the time of Shock and Awe to assume that he did not—highly portable and highly secretable…

BTW
Has Sister Hillary been making rumbles about running in 2012? Any references? I’ve heard some comments that direction by the talking heads, but nothing substantial…

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Del
@ 9:23
Tell us how your really feel!

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**There was no reason at the time of Shock and Awe to assume that he did not—highly portable and highly secretable…**

So, by that logic we have the right to invade any country in possession…..weak.

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Daddy,

Is Scout my step brother and do you have a copy of his birth certificate?

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md

July 26th, 2010
9:12 pm

Thanks for the lesson, now what does it have to do with what I have previously posted??

I said what you said – in 2 sentences.
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You did? Which two sentences? I don’t see them. you don’t mean THESE two sentences do you?

A little problem called the UN stood in the way of GHWB, and then the weenie UN lead #2 to do his thing. Getting rid of the worthless UN is a good starting point.
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Because if you mean THOSE two sentences, then you need to hone up on those reading comprehension skills. The UN didn’t stand in the way of George HERBERT, his prior knowledge of what would happen did. If you meant two OTHER sentences, please point them out…….

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“believed Suddam did indeed possess WMD’s. That has never been disproved and in fact has been proved by way of the Kurd gassing. ”

It isn’t possible to prove a negative. The evidence that he did not have a working arsenal of WMDs is two-fold: he didn’t use any, and none have ever been found. Anyone who thinks he DID have them…produce YOUR proof? Where are they? It’s been nearly 8 years, they must be SOMEWHERE…right?

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**Hillary will challenge for the 012 nomination**

Really? After watching “the one” get burned by the vast right wing conspiracy on just about every thing he does, hillary is probably sleeping quite nicely. Why would she want to climb into the lions den knowing it would not be any better for her or for that matter any democrat who is becomes president?

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del nice try at 4:58; but this is where the fine print gets ya…..I stated (refer to my 4:50 pm post for the accuracy of the statement if you wish) del – talk is cheap. find me a link where, when Obama was campaigning, he stated that he would WIN THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN.

You provided a link where PRESIDENT O said la de da not SENATOR O while he was campaigning.

Also refer back to your post where you said (at 4:43 p.m.) which stated : DebbieDo,
Never cared for sardines. As for Obama’s campaign inclusion of needing to win in Afghanistan, sorry but he certainly did say so, and still does.

That little thing called accuracy will get ya every time………..

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josef

I had no intel and I knew that iraq would be a fiasco. They used 911 to accomplish an objective they had right after being sworn in – invade iraq.

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wendy

I doubt Scout is a queer…but I can say this, for all our argument over any number of issues he has always treated me as a gentleman and you might want to watch your language…I take far more offense at what you just posted than anything Scout has ever said to me…

ELSEWISE

I will say this for Sister Hillary, she said and has stuck by that given the information she had at her disposal at the time, she’d vote the same again. Hindsight is 20-20…

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Wendy:

Is that you?

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Del:

Yes you do because that would certainly take longer …………… and do it all barefooted.

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Daddy,

Do you like my singing, Del and Scout sitting in a tree, kissing! Aren’t I a good singer. I don’t understand Daddy. Don’t ask, Don’t tell what?

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@@: Del: Thanks for responding to Debbie’s “that is SO not true” post. I rarely linger waiting for responses. They’re all too predictable. “SO not true”???? is SOOOO valley girl(ISH).

Yes — for you sure. YOu probably haven’t been a girl since Betsy sewed and patched together the flag…………… (ish)

josef: And why does the current POTUS go bowing to the same who put me and “my kind” to death simply for being?

At least he wasn’t kissing his azz like the Bushies did. One thing you can say about Obama, he wasn’t in bed with the Saudis as the Bushes STILL are. Bowing is one thing, sooking their little pr(i)ks is another.

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wendy

In the battle of ideas, one thing is for sure – you are a loser.

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Daddy, when can we go back to school?

We’ve been on vacation forever:(

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Popeye,

It truly saddens me, however, “about face”

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Del .. Your 9:47

I have no clue what you are talking about .. enlighten me?

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wendy,

scout is the bravest homophobe to ever bloviate with honor on this blog bar none.

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“proven yourself largely ignorant on most topics in my view”

Well, I can’t say thank you…but I *can* refuse to play your game.

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SPQR,

Call me and I’ll see what I can do for you.

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Michelle:

O.K. Now we know you’re probably about 14. That explains a lot.

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josef:

I read it. What’s with Stone ?

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Daddy,

Why is Scout interested in 14-year olds?

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Larry:

Does that make you a “heterophobe” ?

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Josef…I don’t care for that type of language either. I was raised a lot better, respect and all that.

I don’t know what previously was said…Which led to Wendy’s meltdown. But who am I to judge, and anybody who has been blogging with Bookman for awhile knows Scout is about as straight as they come.

Cheers!!!!!

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nix and scout,

politics makes strange bedfellows, indeed!

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Mick

July 26th, 2010
9:43 pm

Do we not have a deficit? When my credit card balance starts getting too high you know what I do?
Pay more and reduce the balance. Higher taxes for the wealthiest 2 percent? No problem, right tea partiers who worry so much about the national debt?
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Damn Mick, that’s cool. I wish I could get the 2 percenters to pay for MY credit cards like you do. I’d spend like mad and then get THEM to pay. I mean they are RICH so what does it matter? They can pay my bills……….

Here’s your sign.

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Howdy gang–Job interview went well for me. If all goes well, I may be moving to Columbus. I spent a few hours riding around the city this afternoon, and kind of liked the place.

I think I sealed the deal when I noticed that the owner was in the same fraternity in college that I was. When I laid the “secret handshake” on him, he was grinning from ear to ear.

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Fred, are you looney from the moon? Where did I say that I get the 2 percenters to pay my bills? Me. myself and I pay MY bills. Sorry, no sympathy if their tax bill rises a whopping 3 percent!!!!

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Daddy,

Why do Republicans want people who just barely survive on social security to give up their money so rich people can have their Bush tax break made permanent.

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They’ve had tax breaks for the past 10 years……where are all the jobs that were promised to us? What happened to that “trickle down” Dumbya said would come? The only trickle I’ve seen was the pi$$ that Cheney et al, have been skeeting in our faces. Dick Cheney should pay more taxes!!! Bush should pay more taxes!!! Dumb a$$ Limbaugh should DEFINITELY pay more taxes!!!

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I didn’t read all of the earlier comments, but was curious to know if anyone here believes we still have a legitimate mission in Afghanistan. The consensus a few months ago seemed to be that we should have handled it as a “special force” operation rather than an occupation.

For the record, I supported the Iraq invasion if only on humanitarian grounds to get rid of Hussein. If we can possibly help sow the seeds of a democracy in that God-forsaken part of the world, it might be worth it all in the end. (I still say “might” because the loss of human life was pretty high for both sides.)

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Gee Debbie. Why so personal?

Betsy who? Friend of yours? I’d “love” to meet her someday.

It is time to turn the page. When I am President, we will wage the war that has to be won, with a comprehensive strategy with five elements: getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing the capabilities and partnerships we need to take out the terrorists and the world’s most deadly weapons; engaging the world to dry up support for terror and extremism; restoring our values; and securing a more resilient homeland.

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/the_war_we_need_to_win.php

Take note of the the part where he says “When I am President.”

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Josef,

On your words regarding Scout – Amen.

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josef nix

July 26th, 2010
9:54 pm

I am a lefty–I just don’t feel obligated to go by the party line because someone else says it’s the party line
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And so we begin to open your mind. Come to the light side my padawan………… free your mind from “lefties” and righties” just seek the truth. The truth will set you free. You are in the closet. You are an independent but not yet ready to make that leap out of the closet………….. You seek the truth you NEED the truth. The truth wants to consume you but you won’t let it. Feel the force Luke………

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Gomer Pyle is the Rosa Parks of DADT!

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The Repug Never-Serveds learned nothing from Vietnam or Russia. “Send in the troops!!!” Because they never ARE the troops. It’s all been utterly predictable long before the first stupid shot was ever fired.
Another memory from the cowardly BushDrunks.

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Mick,

In reference to JFK – ever wonder why Clinton couldn’t release all the documents even after he said he would?? Do a little research on it – he did release quite a bit, but still held some back because of “National security”.

Hmmm…………………

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squaw,

I’d go with Klinger

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Fred

I’m a lefty by perspective and a liberal by philosophical outlook…those are my “starting points” in my search for “truth.” I just don’t expect the truth that may be revealed to be in conformity with the latest memo…

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“I don’t have to look over my shoulder or second guess him…he means me no personal harm and will defend my right to stand up and speak out even if I DO disagree with him up one side and down the other…”

josef–I have to admit that I’ve gotten mad at Scout on your behalf due to his anti-gay comments. But if you are okay with it…..

I wonder if Scout would feel differently if he accepted that homosexuality IS genetic in origin. I know that for a fact due to the personal experience of growing up with a gay sister. If homosexuality was due to environment alone, then my other three sisters should be gay, having grown up in the exact same environment. By age 6, I knew that my one sister was “different” from the others, although I couldn’t identify how until much later.

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Fred,

One need not be an “Independent” to think independently. Whether on the right or the left, one has the intellectual and moral freedom to produce his own thoughts and opinions independently of the party line. I am strongly pro-Obama (although I preferred Hillary) but I am getting tired of this Afghanistan war.

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“Thanks for the vote for Scout…he’s a Mensch…and I’ll say this, I don’t have to look over my shoulder or second guess him…he means me no personal harm and will defend my right to stand up and speak out even if I DO disagree with him up one side and down the other…”

Excuse me while I run off to get my kleenex to wipe away my tears.

Are you kidding me he means me no personal harm and will defend my right to stand up and speak out even if I DO disagree with him up one side and down the other…”
and will defend my right to stand up and speak out even if I DO disagree with him up one side and down the other…”

How is that done? “he means me no personal harm and will defend my right to stand up and speak out even if I DO disagree with him up one side and down the other…” Is he now your personal bodyguard equipped with all the newest armament.

Scout is just another blogger just like you josef … you folks are cordial and have a good dialog, but with the above statement me thinks you are off the reservation!

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md

July 26th, 2010
10:14 pm

“Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations’ mandate”

GHWB own words
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Post a link please. I was rather “engaged” as it were during that conflict. WHile I was probing minefields, we didn’t get all the sound bites form CNN. When I was clearing trenches, they weren’t quoting the Washington Times. The little holes in the sand I dug each night to sleep in didn’t have cable or satellite TV’s. I participated in the war you watched on TV. Were you there or watching when my team got shot up and some of them died? Was there footage of the C-130 burning in killing the whole team that were our buddies? If so, was it fun to watch? Get your dick hard and all that? President George Herbert Bush wasn’t on our net so I don’t know all the things he said.

Did you ever wonder who held those laser designators on the targets in Iraq that you saw blow up on your TV? I never wondered that…………..

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Bruno said LOL–Lucky I don’t believe in the “germ theory” of disease, md. It’s all about our resistance….

Bruno, I worked for a Japanese company for almost elven years. Then as now, I very seldom took sick days. But one day at work when it was pretty obvious that I was sick and spreading germs, the president of the company went out to a Japanese drug store and came back and handed me two white medical masks and said, “Put it on.”

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@@: Take note of the the part where he says “When I am President.”

Take note that he didn’t say HE WILL WIN THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN nor did he make a promise to do so. He said the war MUST be won, big difference.

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Bruno,

The only way we could even have a chance of prevailing is to go in with as much overwhelming force as we could muster, invoking extreme occupation law that included on the spot executions and imprisonment of anyone at any time. Not unlike Hitler’s Germany, the empire of Japan, Communist Russia, Red China, North Korea, North Vietnam, etc. etc. We aren’t that ruthless as a nation nor do I believe we should become that way, so we’re far better off concentrating on how to defend ourselves from such regimes and worry less about how we might convert them to our way of thinking. God is in charge of this depraved world and we’re not God.

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Some of the strongest evidence that one’s sexual orientation is biological and not chosen comes from studies in which nude images of men and women are flashed on a screen in rapid-fire fashion and the differing physiological reactions are noted among the audience members. To me, involuntary dilation of the pupils can’t be “chosen”.

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“Ask the kurds who gave it to him.”

I don’t believe the question was “who gave it to him”, but “did he have any”.

As for the first part, if one knows that – why ask whether he had any………..

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Hey, DDR, Esquire!!!! I’ve been missing you.

Here’s a sexy, sexy song dedicated to you, “Inside My Love” by Minnie Riperton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1aMSZp_WHc

Play this one about 10 minutes before Dudley gets home–he’ll thank me later!!! (Not that you needed any help…….LOL).

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Debbie:

Now you’re just nitpicking. So what…he’s gonna take on a war that he can’t win. Take that up with Del.

This is the part I originally commented on:

getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan

A battlefield is where a war is waged. Afghanistan is the right battlefield…the right war.

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Mick,

Even if we sold the precursor chemicals to Iraq they weren’t in a neat little “gas the Kurds” package. They figured out how to weaponize and deliver them and anybody that cares about facts can look up the results of their efforts.

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“As for Afghanistan, if the reason we are there is to get bin Laden, I think that we have missed the window on that. Now, we are descending deeper into the quagmire that is Afghanistan and it feels like Vietnamese quicksand to me.”

As a decidedly military NON-expert, that’s how it looks to me also, eyes.

“The only way we could even have a chance of prevailing is to go in with as much overwhelming force as we could muster, invoking extreme occupation law that included on the spot executions and imprisonment of anyone at any time.”

Del–Which would be quite a hollow “victory”. Thannks for the input.

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@@ No I’m not. Del made the point that CANDIDATE Obama said he’d win the war — your last post proved that he never said that. You may call it “nitpicking” I call it facts.

@@: This is the part I originally commented on: getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan A battlefield is where a war is waged. Afghanistan is the right battlefield…the right war.

We were already ON the battlefield in Afghanistan. What’s your point?

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josef,

I just grabbed a link that went to the story. I wasn’t really endorsing the take the Hot Air readers might have on the story, but that site is meticulous about linking to source material or to other bloggers that are providing the source material.

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Well, Joseph it’s cool that scout has overcome his homophobia, Myself I’ve never had a problem with ones sexuality.

To me it’s live and let live….No questions asked.

And to his religion…precisely why I am an atheist…the bullcrap the religious spew, and actually believe. But, that’s not my problem or area of expertise.

And as far as off the reservation goes….I’m one of the biggest proponents of Indian rights…I donate a lot of money twice a year to St Joseph’s Indian School and the Lakota children. I also used to fly for the BLM in support of the BIA.

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joseph,

your ok with scout’s homophobia in the name of his religion, if someone uses their religion to justify anti-semitism will you give them a big blog squeezy as well…

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“He’s my father,” Rory said of Harry. “Not my political mentor.”

OK, that’s laugh out loud funny, but the funnier part is looking at that picture that claims the guy is only 47.

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DebbieDo,
Candidate Obama said that Afghanistan was the war against A.Q. that we needed to win and the one he would prosecute as president. Now you can deny that all you wish but you can’t make it go away.Nice try though.

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eyes…Your 10:57 Haven’t seen much of Scout tonight …Do you suppose?

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“Yep. Ole Dudley will be outta gas if I get even MORE inspired!”

LMFAO–Somehow, someway, I’ve ended up dating a lot of women like you. If anyone’s saying “Not tonight, honey, I’m too tired”, it’s usually me.

“However, now, that I’ve discovered Minnie through you, i have to go on Amazon and buy everything she’s ever made.”

Minnie’s primarily famous for the song “Loving You”, but another great one she sang was “Back Down Memory Lane” which she sang while in the terminal stages of cancer. If you listen closely, you can hear the pleading in her voice near the end:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z7MaFE-uRQ

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Mick,

I can’t wait for the story when Rory endorses Sharron.

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Let’s go Kansas City. All you need is 19 to tie or 20 to win in the bottom of the 9th.

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Comm check and to say Taps to everyone.

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Debbie:

My point? As far as I’m concerned, we completed our mission in Afghanistan. We isolated Bin Laden. His operation isn’t functioning too well in case you haven’t noticed.

The left’s complaint was that we weren’t in with a sufficient number of forces. All it would take to insure success was to up the numbers. Obama said it. His supporters said it. It was the right war, the just war.

Obama’s surge is gonna make Iraq look like a cakewalk.

Obama has exceeded Bush’s number of deployed troops by 5 times. For every one, Bush put at risk, Obama put four more.

The Karzai government is corrupt and the area vast. Only 17% of the population supports our being there. Since Obama announced an exit date, the population has no interest in helping our troops like the people of Iraq did. They’re gonna side with the Taliban because that’s who they’ll be dealing when the exit date rolls around. It’s a matter of survival.

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wendy
It depends…Scout’s religious beliefs also are that I’ll fry in hell as a Jew who doesn’t accept the Christ as the Messiah…that’s for judgment day, in his beliefs, and poses me no personal threat…you, on the other hand, threw out terms that are highly offensive and meant to insult and damn in earthly terms…you are far more dangerous to me than Scout…you want division…

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Debbie:

I’m off to bed so any response you have for me won’t be read. I’m not one to play blog catch-up the following day.

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okay Josef, if I offended anyone by my insensitive remark I sincerely apologize….I am not a racist nor a homophobe or anti-sementic.

I meant no harm with the statement, and did not realize in certain quarters my statement would be highly offensive.

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popeye:

Have you ever heard of a man named Saul ?

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DDR

Hey, I like that! I’ll go for Bill Gates on money, and Tina’s talent. I’d want to speak English with James Earl Jones’ voice and have Antonio Banderas’ sex appeal and, okay, mark this one down Barack Obama’s sense of self irony…oh, yeah, and Paul Newman’s eyes!!

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mick and popeye
Think about it a minute…what do you think “off the reservation” sounds like to somebody who has spent a lifetime fighting the feather growing savage stereotype?

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You mean like the irish and dogs need not apply? or any other irish put down, bothers me not a whit – I go my own way.

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Josef @ 11:15 I apologized. What more can I do?

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Mick

July 26th, 2010
10:41 pm

Poison gas was used in ww2, most nations outlawed or disavowed using it. Still, having such a weapon not a sufficient reason to invade a sovereign country.
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I don’t see how that statement can be refuted, but I’m sure when I read further, someone has. We are NOT the world’s policemen.

Call me unenlightened or whatever you want to call me, but as long as we have starving kids in America, I gives a DAMN about starving kids in Africa, or Honduras. As long as we have poor people in America I gives a DAMN about poor people in other countries. As long as we have sick people in America who can’t afford treatment, I gives a DAMN about sick people in other Countries. I could go on, but I think I made my point.

Dang I can’t get caught up on this blog tonight. I’m perpetually 20 minutes behind……..

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josef,

When the IDF wanted to board the ships trying to break the blockade not so long ago they were told to go back to Auschwitz. Far too many on your side of the political scale took the side of the travel advisors.

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popeye
What can you do? Resolve not to do it again and let anyone else you hear use it know, Apply the lesson of Ms. Sherrod…

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DDR
Nanh. but I’ll take the pecs of Mark Spitz in his prime! (And, yes, even at his age Unmentionable STILL has them…I hate him!)

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josef what about Pam’s breasts?

I say we stage an insurrection this Friday and hijack Frustrated DJ Night with an all body parts night. Most of the video clips will have some kind of music in the background so we won’t be completely off topic.

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wendy

July 26th, 2010
10:57 pm

joseph,

your ok with scout’s homophobia in the name of his religion, if someone uses their religion to justify anti-semitism will you give them a big blog squeezy as well…
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LOL now THAT is an interesting (and fair) questions. Talk about push boundaries. I’ve done a little pushing boundaries myself and gotten a mixed reaction from people. Some will see and admit to their hypocrisy and some will deny it. An even fewer number will sit back and think.

Myself? I can’t WAIT to see the reply to this question……… But on a personal level, there are some things where I just say, hypocrisy or not, that is what I think/feel and I’m not changing it. There are few issues that I have to answer that, and so far, none of them have come up on this blog while I’ve read it.

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RW
And far too many on this side were not outraged…but, then, our original tour guides had their left wing, too…

Del…
And that is why I can respect you…you do not presuppose to be in the business of what is G-d’s arena…I, too, have my belief’s which I pass on to mine…and if I want you to respect mine, then I have to respect yours…and THAT is the lesson I wanted my own kids to learn…

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Josef:

Have you ever read the Book of Romans just as a literary work?

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scout

I find proverbs to be the coolest, “he who exalts himself shall be humbled, he who humbles himself shall be exalted” great words indeed.

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popeye
Being blond and green eyed (Hitler’s Aryan dream child!) with rare exception I had a pleasant time in the Northwest and so did he overall. It IS the only place I was ever attacked as a Jew on the street by a stranger…and the anti-Indian sentiment was rampant…he did take the advice and went back to the reservation to listen to his fellow savages perceptions on the Northwestern brand of racism…

RW

Yeah! Let’s do that this Friday! Sounds like fun…

wendy
That’s about the size of it…I have no idea of what happens when we croak and neither does anyone else, but I know full well what happens in the earthly sphere…

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Fred:

Sometimes the truth hurts.

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josef nix

July 26th, 2010
11:22 pm

mick and popeye
Think about it a minute…what do you think “off the reservation” sounds like to somebody who has spent a lifetime fighting the feather growing savage stereotype?
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If someone is fighting THAT stereotype, then they are a loser. No one in the last 100 years has given a damn about an Indian as a “race” other than Indians still trying to live in the early 1800’s. THOSE people need to stay “on the reservation” and suck off the Gov’t tit for as long as they can. No one else gives a damn.

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Yeah! Let’s do that this Friday!

It’s on! I suspect it might be heavy on Robert Plant though.

/Note to self: Start dubbing Gina Gershon into some music vids….

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Fred

You are the loser….think the palestinians have a beef? Try having a whole continent or two ripped from your hands, millions of lives lost and a whole culture shredded. You don’t need a reservation, there is an asylum waiting for you.

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Oh well, another day another devalued dollar. Time to hit the sack and get ready for another day of living yeah, yeah. The possibilities are endless and I like my chances. Hasta la vista, baby.

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popeye:

none.

“For the Spirit of God will not always strive with a man”

Translation: You can wait too long ……………

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Scout,

The blue pill will resolve your riddle.

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Jay:

I believe their is a handle posted here @ 12:10am that needs to go:

“Squaw is an English language loan-word, used as a noun or adjective, whose present meaning is an indigenous woman of North America. It is derived from the eastern Algonquian morpheme meaning “woman” that appears in numerous Algonquian dialects variously spelled squa, skwa, esqua, sqeh, skwe, que, kwa, ikwe, etc. The term has been CONSIDERED OFFENSIVE since the late 20th century if not earlier.

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josef:

You seem to know a lot about Native American culture. What are your views on the use of the word “squaw” ?

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Scout—
Late 20th Century if not earlier? Well, I can testify from personal experience that it was considered offensive as early as the MID 20th. I made the mistake of calling my full-blood Chickasaw Aunt Sis by that term. She knocked me halfway across the room. Then Mama wore my behind out. Granny switched me. Granddaddy tore into my b*tt and then assigned me a series of readings from the secular and the Biblical—the story of Ruth to be precise…

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And to think. Someone on one of these blogs asked me once if I would speak out if someone said or did something blatantly racist in my presence. I don’t think I EVER have to answer that question again here.

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“Well, you might want to research the Saul I am talking about. He spent a career as a special prosecutor going around his part of the district putting Christians in jail and some to their death. Funny thing though, he would up becoming the greatest Christian missionary the world has ever known …………. Paul.”

Scout–A common misconception regarding Saul/Paul is that he changed his name to reflect his new-found faith in Christianity. The truth, as far as I know, is that the “name change” never occurred. Saul and Paul are the same name in two different languages. Here’s a link which explains it:

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1993/9301qq.asp

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Scout
Don’t count on Jay taking this one on…after all it is spelled with a lower case “c” and Sister Cynthia has already decreed that “gypsy” with a lower case “c” is not racist! And he has said that Indian things aren’t considered that important around here… Actually, though, the sarcastic aside, I do think he would be offended as well…it is kinda obvious…besides, he’s on overtime today, his day job is putting its demands on him so we can have this space…

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Mick: There never has been a “nation of Palestine.” They didn’t have a damn thing ripped from their hands. Read some history. When they nation of Israel was re-created they BEGGED the “Palestinians” to stay. Oh no, they left because the Arhabs were going to wipe the Jews off the face of the earth. That didn’t quite happen did it? So how did the Jordanians treat the “palestinians” when they tried the same crap they tried with Israel? The Jordanians slaughtered 10’s of 1000’s of them and evicted them. I don’t see you talking about THAT. But you wouldn’t would you? It’s truth and it doesn’t fit in with your pathetic political agenda or your pathetic education.

Learn more before you speak.

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josef:

No problem ……….. I’m calling it quits now myself.

Bruno:

You may be right on that one but the important thing is his LIFE was changed.

TAPS !

“And so he bowed”

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Really Bruno? Do I need cite the cases where someone living their Christian values is thrown out of a college for “insensitivity” because they speak out against homosexuality or abortion? There isn’t enough room on this bog for that. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with their position, but it happens daily. Open your eyes a little, it’s not like it’s exactly hidden. I speak about it the same way I would with any other “group.”

BTW I can see the posts that are “awaiting moderation” are they invisible to the rest of the bloggers? I really don’t know how the AJC handles this…………

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Just damn. I could have been playing Crysis for the last hour or so that I was wasting on this blog. Somebody shoot me………

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“Really Bruno? Do I need cite the cases where someone living their Christian values is thrown out of a college for “insensitivity” because they speak out against homosexuality or abortion?”

Fred–Speaking out against those whom you disagree with is not necessarily a “Christian value”. There is a big difference between “righteousness” and “self-righteousness”. Do you know the difference??

To be fair, a young woman WAS recently reprimanded at college for speaking out against homosexuality. In her case, however, she was trying to get a degree in counseling. Because modern psychology does not label homosexuality as “deviant behavior”, her views were considered to be incompatible with professional standards.

“BTW I can see the posts that are “awaiting moderation” are they invisible to the rest of the bloggers? I really don’t know how the AJC handles this…………”

Yes, you can see the comments, but others can’t. It’s a byproduct of how blogs are electronically processed.

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Bruno
I wouldn’t put you in the category of basher…you say what you do with respect and civilly..and make sure you come in Friday night prepared to hijack the blog with songs about body parts!

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“I wouldn’t put you in the category of basher…you say what you do with respect and civilly”

Not always–I definitely have my moments of ugliness.

“and make sure you come in Friday night prepared to hijack the blog with songs about body parts!”

I’ll pass on that, buddy. I like my idea of an Originals night better.

C U soon, friend.

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Fred–I’m not sure why I’m wasting my time responding to your BS, but here goes:

(1) “I don’t appreciate you picking and choosing which parts of my post to quote and then pretending that the part you edit holds the meaning I was trying to convey.”

Your 1:38 post, for example, contains several hundred words. No one can reasonably comment on the whole of the text. That’s the reality of the blog world. If you don’t like, it, I suggest you find a different forum to air your “brilliant” ideas.

(2) “You apparently have a particular problem with the Christian religion so they are fair game to you. I could be mistaken, but I don’t think I have said what faith (if any) I follow on this blog.”

You made a pitch about what you perceive to be regular “persecution” of Christians in this country, and I responded in the context of your quote. Nothing more and nothing less. If you care to discuss the “persecution” that Hindus or Muslims believe they face, I will respond in that context as well. It was YOU who chose a Christian framework for your claims, not me, so ultimately you are complaining about your own behavior. To be honest, I don’t give a rat’s ass which mythology you choose to align yourself with.

“in THIS Country only Christians are ridiculed and chastised for it. One might even go as far as saying “persecuted” for it.”

And that is the biggest bunch of crap I’ve heard in a long time. Political candidates are almost forced to declare their allegiance to some Christian church or another. Government money has been regularly spent through the years promoting Christian prayer and Christian displays such as Nativity scenes and Easter celebrations. To not acknowledge the overwhelming bias in favor of Christianity in this country reveals either a tremendous myopia on your part, or more likely serious mental illness.

“Oh well. It is what it is even if you hypocrites won’t acknowledge your hypocrisy………….”

I’m not sure what the source of the chip on your shoulder is, but you need to look in the mirror once in a while.

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When President Obama comes to Atlanta on Monday, Roy Barnes will not be at his side. The Democratic nominee for governor is scheduled to be campaigning that day among the good people of South Georgia, which puts as much distance as possible between himself and the president. -kookman, Urinal

Is Roy Barnes a racist?

Just askin…

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NPR reports that in the city of Bell, California three city administrators agreed to resign after residents expressed outrage over their salaries. City Administrative Officer Robert Rizzo earns $787,637 a year, which twice the salary of the President of the United States.

How did Bell’s Council get its salaries? By fiscal evasion.

Duh.

Taking cues from the criminals in the WH and their stooges.

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(Reuters) – A municipal manager in California who makes nearly $800,000 a year working for a small, poor city could draw pension payments exceeding $30 million in retirement, according to an activist who has been calling for an overhaul of the state’s public pension system…

At age 62, when Rizzo could also begin receiving Social Security payments, his annual pension would rise to $976,771, topping $1 million two years later. If he lives to age 83, his annual payout would rise to $1.48 million.

Dimwittocrats probably, with their hands in the till ala Dodd, Barney Fwank, Rangel, Jefferson, etc, etc.

November 10.

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Bell is a city in Los Angeles County, California. The population was 36,664 in the 2000 census. Bell is located on the west bank of the Los Angeles River and is a suburb of the city of Los Angeles. At 2.5 square miles, it is number thirteen in the twenty-five smallest cities in area in the United States with population of at least 25,000.

City residents voted to become a charter city in a special municipal election on November 29, 2005. Fewer than 400 voters turned out for that special election.

Obviously the mayor was correct in one sense….his constituency WAS ignorant, and like in 2008, you get what you don’t vote for, and suffer the catastrophic consequences.

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“Not covered by lame stream state run media…..”

um. you just quoted articles from CNN, NPR, the LATimes and Reuters news wire.

do you bother to read what you write?

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“Not covered by lame stream state run media…..”

um. you just quoted articles from CNN, NPR, the LATimes and Reuters news wire.

do you bother to read what you write?”

Must be a high octane “Bloody Mary” morning… or maybe just starting working on that case of cold “Budweiser” early this AM.

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just for the record….

Not covered by lame stream state run media…..

I heard about this last week on NPR. All Things Considered. Prime afternoon-drive time.

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