Afghan document dump paints a discouraging picture
I’m on column duty for tomorrow’s newspaper, so I don’t have time to do the topic full justice. It’s already pretty clear, however, the release of more than 90,000 previously secret internal military documents about the war in Afghanistan is likely to echo through the national discussion for weeks if not months.
Based on what I’ve seen so far, the material documents in ground-level detail just how difficult it has been to make lasting progress in just about any endeavor in Afghanistan. Whatever small gain we make today is washed away tomorrow, with little sense that larger goals are within reach.
The Obama administration is understandably downplaying the relevance of the documents, as the Washington Post reports:
White House officials and their allies in Afghanistan and Pakistan sought Monday to play down the political and military impact of the unauthorized release of thousands of classified Afghan war documents, saying they portray a reality on the ground that is already largely known…..
Even as they sought to minimize their significance, senior administration officials acknowledged that they had been anxiously awaiting the long-rumored posting of the documents. “There is not a lot new here for those who have been following developments closely,” one U.S. official said Sunday.
Washington officials are also pointing out that the documents cover a time frame before President Obama’s decision to commit additional manpower and resources to the fight.
“These leaked reports pre-date our new strategy in Afghanistan and should not be used as a measure of success or a determining factor in our continued mission there,” according to Ike Skelton, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. “… since these reports were issued, Pakistan has significantly stepped up its fight against the Taliban, including efforts that led to the capture of the highest-ranking member of the Taliban since the start of the war.”
“The documents posted by Wikileaks reportedly cover a period of time from January 2004 to December 2009,” National Security Adviser James Jones responded. “On December 1, 2009, President Obama announced a new strategy with a substantial increase in resources for Afghanistan, and increased focus on al Qaeda and Taliban safe-havens in Pakistan, precisely because of the grave situation that had developed over several years.”
The problem is, there doesn’t seem to be much evidence that things have changed in any fundamental way since Dec. 1, 2009, and so far, the mundane if discouraging details contained in those 90,000 documents make a strong argument that they probably never will.
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Michelle
July 26th, 2010
8:02 pm
Daddy,
Why do some people dress you up to look like Hitler?
Del
July 26th, 2010
8:03 pm
Doggone/Ga,
Copied you 5, I’m out
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July 26th, 2010
8:03 pm
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josef nix
July 26th, 2010
8:04 pm
Doggone
DO go and ask a Kurd how dependable we were…they’ll be glad to give you an ear full. Seriously, go and do your homework there. It’s the ONE success story out of the whole affair and the Americans and Israelis are their heroes…
md
July 26th, 2010
8:05 pm
“O-I-L…human rights be d*mned…”
that is one of those catch 22 phrases. Take away the oil, and the economy grinds to a halt, and then how many more humans suffer??
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2010
8:05 pm
[N]one of this growth in communist China would have been possible without all of the globalism and free trade that U.S. politicians from both parties have been pushing on us for the last 40 years. When they were selling us on the benefits of “free trade” they didn’t tell us that we would end up shipping our economy, our jobs and our prosperity over to China.
American consumers never seemed to be able to put two and two together. As we were busy running out and filling up our shopping carts with cheap plastic crap made in China, we didn’t seem to realize that a “global economy” meant that we would be competing for jobs and wages with workers on the other side of the world.
So now the U.S. economy, with its high wages and repressive government regulations, is suffering while China’s economy is thriving.
As tens of millions of American workers sit at home collecting unemployment checks, U.S. companies are busy making plans to invest billions more in China.
Also, many Chinese military strategists believe that it is inevitable that there will be a war between the United States and China someday. So could China end up using all of the technology and manufacturing capacity that they have gained at our expense against us someday?
The truth is that all of the money and technology that we have poured into China could end up being one of the greatest national security blunders of all time.
So in the end the United States may look back and realize how incredibly stupid it was to build up communist China at the expense of our own economy.
But this is the world our leaders have built for us. A world where globalism and “free trade” force us to compete for jobs against sweatshop laborers around the globe.
The reality is that this “new world” is not very good at all for the American middle class. The economic realities of the 21st century are very cruel for Americans who are seeking to live a middle class lifestyle.
Or how greed triumphed over common sense.
md
July 26th, 2010
8:06 pm
“And while you’re at it…ask a Kurd how dependable WE were.”
As I recall, we had a no fly zone protecting the Kurds, it was the shia that we betrayed…….
Michelle
July 26th, 2010
8:08 pm
Daddy,
Why did we help Saddam by giving him WMDs?
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
8:09 pm
neoCarlist
That lithium comment is one that we’re not looking at…your point is WELL made…and if you look at where those deposits are located…
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
8:11 pm
notes to thieves. hehe. some of these are quite funny.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/26/the-funniest-notes-left-f_n_659338.html
Michelle
July 26th, 2010
8:11 pm
Daddy,
Did the people in Iraq welcome us with open arms before or after we shocked and awed them?
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
8:12 pm
md
O-I-L and that is the point. GB senior made it quite clear that that was the causus belli of the first Gulf War. Liberation of Kuwait was secondary. I could respect that whether or not I morally agreed with it, it was the truth.
And, yes, it WAS the Shia we sold down the river…
md
July 26th, 2010
8:12 pm
“So in the end the United States may look back and realize how incredibly stupid it was to build up communist China at the expense of our own economy.”
Or was it???
The worker bees in China now have a good taste of “freedom” – only a matter of time before the commies lose their grip – capitalism may very well fuel their democracy…….the box has been opened.
neo-Carlinist
July 26th, 2010
8:14 pm
Michelle, WAR is about the only left “made in America”. We didn’t “give Saddam WMDs” – we gave the Mujahdeenn (al Qeda v 1.0) Stinger missiles. We supported Saddam in his war with Iran (1979 – 1988), opposed him when he invaded Kuwait – with our blessing (1991), then we told the world he had WMDs so we could invade Iraq in 2003. Good question about no Saudis, al Qeda, or Taliban in the “deck of cards”.
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
8:14 pm
In reality, Saddam and the UN were both the problem.
hehe. Conservatives have no idea who the bad guys are. “Hey, Fox News will tell you!”
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
8:15 pm
“Did the people in Iraq welcome us with open arms before or after we shocked and awed them?”
The Kurds did.
md
July 26th, 2010
8:16 pm
“As tens of millions of American workers sit at home collecting unemployment checks, U.S. companies are busy making plans to invest billions more in China.”
Let’s not forget the tens of millions of americans that want their 401k’s to do well. The old can’t have your cake and it it too.
Soothsayer
July 26th, 2010
8:16 pm
Watch this full-screen–you’ll love it!
md
July 26th, 2010
8:18 pm
“hehe. Conservatives have no idea who the bad guys are. “Hey, Fox News will tell you!””
Why not debate the issue vs post snide remarks??
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
8:19 pm
md
What do you mean can’t have our cake and eat it, too? We can cuss the American foreign policy in Iraq AND drive our internal combustion engine…this is the land of the double standard, left and right…
md
July 26th, 2010
8:24 pm
Jo,
Hear, hear.
Too many like to see only one half of the equation – reinforces their “side”.
Del
July 26th, 2010
8:26 pm
“capitalism may very well fuel their democracy……..the box has opened”
Would be great if we could count on it but we can’t. The PLA,(Chinese Peoples Liberation Army) is a strong influence that is extremely difficult for the Western Intel community to penetrate. I’ve been in China and they recruit their soldiers from the rural areas with a contract that say’s a recruit must serve 8 years in the military and then he and his family can move into one of the major cities and participate in the workers paradise. Without serving the rural farmers aren’t allowed to move into the cities. They must survive on their own. Rural China is the real China and it isn’t pretty.
Fred
July 26th, 2010
8:28 pm
Redneck Convert: It ain’ta gonna be a fight. I’m 0-2 here on my reads, first Scout and now Saul. If Saul’s dad bought him a commodore 64, then I’m older than he is lol, he’s a young man………….
Dammit Saul, you just READ like an old man. I beat the lightening by about 3 minutes. I hit enter, shut down, and barely made it up the stairs before the power went. I got some catching up to do, but I disagree with your basic french premis. They DIDN’T send us help. They talked about it, they promised it, but other than individual efforts by those like Lafayette, it didn’t come from the Government until late in the war. Even the French fleet showing up at Yorktown was a fluke. They (the fleet) initially came over but after they dropped off the 5 battalions, they went haring off to the West Indies to chase rumors of the British fleet down there even though Washington BEGGED them to stay and help. They only came back after they lost the British fleet and as I said, it was only happenstance that they were able to be at the right place at the right time to do us any good. I still need to investigate that 12,000 troops I think it was jonix talked about. 12,000 troops was a HUGE number in that war.
Now I gotta catch up. I just wanted to respond to the first couple of posts first. Oh the power just came back, but I think you might have figured it out. AND…………
As much as I despise the french (and the reason they didn’t help us in the war in Iraq was because they were stealing too much money in blackmarketing to Saddam), I never called them “freedom fries” lol. I call things what they are. Them’s be french fries, and McDonalds still has the best, when they are hot and fresh that is…………
Del
July 26th, 2010
8:28 pm
Hey josef,
What’s happening?
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2010
8:30 pm
Josef…support like this: “US President George Bush, under scrutiny from the United Nations and the Human Right Commission called on the people of Iraq, including the Iraqi Kurds to rise up against the dictatorship. Unfortunately U.S. forces – who temporarily occupied a large strip of southern Iraq at the time once again–did nothing to support the post-war rebellion and stood by while thousands of Iraqi Kurds, Shiites, and others were slaughtered”
http://hubpages.com/hub/www-hubpages-com-hub-xb7076-The-United-States-Kurdistan-and-the-Future-of-Iraq
I’m surprised they ever came to trust us again.
md
July 26th, 2010
8:31 pm
Del,
But since taking back Hong Kong, the “people” have been awakened to what could be. The genie is out of the bottle – may take awhile, but eventually the human spirit see the chains and will do what is necessary to remove them. Same seems to be happening in Iran.
Michelle
July 26th, 2010
8:33 pm
Daddy,
Why does Andrew Breitbart love Al Qaeda?
Mick
July 26th, 2010
8:36 pm
**The genie is out of the bottle – may take awhile, but eventually the human spirit see the chains and will do what is necessary to remove them.**
That’s why the cuban embargo is the biggest loser of a foreign policy starting with kennedy right thru obama, no one has the cajones to cast this garbage aside and open that market so it will collapse from within.
Michelle
July 26th, 2010
8:38 pm
Daddy,
Are you going to take poor people’s social security money and use it to pay for the Bush tax cuts like the Republicans want?
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2010
8:40 pm
“no one has the cajones to cast this garbage aside and open that market so it will collapse from within”
I’ve been saying something like that for years. I think sanctions are a waste of time and are generally counter-productive anyway. I think we should be fighting hostility with consumer goods. Every time we get threatened start flooding that country with consumer goods. How can the population be affected by sanctions on stuff they never had to begins with? Give them an idea of what we CAN take away. Heck, if it’s necessary – “bomb” them with stuff they can’t get any other way.
Saul Good
July 26th, 2010
8:40 pm
“and if you look at where those deposits are located…”
The LARGEST being in Bolivia… dubbed the “Saudi Arabia of lithium”…
“The United States Geological Survey says 5.4 million tons of lithium could potentially be extracted in Bolivia, compared with 3 million in Chile, 1.1 million in China and just 410,000 in the United States. Independent geologists estimate that Bolivia might have even more lithium at Uyuni and its other salt deserts, though high altitudes and the quality of the reserves could make access to the mineral difficult.”
I wonder just witch president in the future will go skipping through the daises holding hands with some former drug lord who controls the lithium fields output/production…
Mick
July 26th, 2010
8:42 pm
**Heck, if it’s necessary – “bomb” them with stuff they can’t get any other way.**
Now, thats what I call creative bombing…
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
8:44 pm
That comment that “thousands of Iraqi Kurds…” is not the case. The Iraqi Kurds met BLOOD genocide during the regime of Ronald Reagan and it came as a shock to all concerned. Following that the IDF and Mosaad sent in military advisors to the Peshmerga and created a force capable of defending their people and keeping the Baghdad regime at bay. The United States put pressure on Turkey to back off on the Iraqi invasion of Iraqi Kurdistan…the Clinton administration’s strict enforcement of the no-fly zone gave the Iraqi Kurds the chance to develop democratic institutions and create an economic infrastructure favorable to outside investment. The Kurds welcomed the US and is very pro US in thanks for giving them the breathing space to take matters into their own hands.
Do not confuse the blood genocidal attacks and policies of the Reagan era with those against the Shia in the Bush II years. The Huff-Po article referenced blurrs the two into a single event. It was not.
md
July 26th, 2010
8:46 pm
**Heck, if it’s necessary – “bomb” them with stuff they can’t get any other way.**
Yep, Playboy all over Iran, and the mad mullahs won’t be able to control it.
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
8:46 pm
Doggone
I agree with you on the “bomb them” with consumer goods. We just have to be the ones producing those consumer goods for it to be effective…
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
8:48 pm
SAUL
Former drug lord? Like the rum runner Joseph Kennedy, Sr?
Del
July 26th, 2010
8:49 pm
md,
I can only hope you’re right and I’m wrong.
Saul Good
July 26th, 2010
8:50 pm
Josef: “Former drug lord? Like the rum runner Joseph Kennedy, Sr?”
Absolutely! Dealing with Mobsters was GOOD to him.
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
8:52 pm
Saul
And his sons became statesmen…who’s to say the same won’t happen in Bolivia?
md
July 26th, 2010
8:54 pm
“I agree with you on the “bomb them” with consumer goods. We just have to be the ones producing those consumer goods for it to be effective…”
Sorry, can’t have that…….then the common folk would be part of the “military industrial complex” (even though they already are) and that would be bad, bad, bad…………
Michelle
July 26th, 2010
8:55 pm
Daddy,
Did Prescott ever meet Adolf personally?
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
8:56 pm
md
@ 8:54
Not to mention, the Chinese might not like it…!
md
July 26th, 2010
9:00 pm
No need to worry Jo, we can’t afford the goods we make………………
Del
July 26th, 2010
9:01 pm
Michelle,
here’s something equally as stupid as you seem to be stuck on.
ttp://www.apfn.org/apfn/pearl_harbor.htm
Saul Good
July 26th, 2010
9:03 pm
Josef….you’re right… both those dealings with mobsters came with lots and lots of conspiracy theories attached to the fates of those same sons/statesmen… not that “I” believe them… but they make for good folklore and made for TV movies…
Speaking of movies…
i’m out for the night…
Oh btw…Fred…glad your computer didn’t get fried out… talking about fries…McDonald fries? The BEST? I’ll just have to disagree with you on that one…being vegan…I’ve not stepped into one of those “places” for over 10 years now. Not the most “vegan” friendly place one can find… but based upon popularity… i’m FAR in the minority when it comes to that kind of dining establishment.
Fred
July 26th, 2010
9:04 pm
Doggone and md, During Desert Shield (which became Desert Storm) the objective was NEVER to invade Iraq and over throw Saddam Hussein. It was merely to get him out of Kuwait and to prevent him from attacking Saudi Arabia. Let me give you a little history/culture/religious lesson.
Islam has two major factions like Christianity does, the Sunni and the Shi’ites (Christianity has the Catholics and the Protestants). What funny is in simplistic terms, the Sunni’s and the Shi’ites are divided among the same lines as the Catholics and the Protestants, who has access to God. The Shi’ites (Shia) like the Catholics believe that access to God is not for the great unwashed. Only the “leaders” have direct access to God. Sunni’s, like Protestants belief that EVERYONE has access to God and they don’t need a mediator. Now how does this apply to what we are talking about you are now asking. It’s like this.
Iran is Shia while Saudi Arabia is Sunni. While there are major “religious sites” in both Countries, Mecca, the holiest of holies is in Saudi Arabia. Iran wants control of that and will use any means needed to get it. Unfortunately for them, Iraq stands between them. Saddam Hussien was a damn heathen. Although technically a Sunni, he cared only for himself and didn’t care one whit about religion. Through him, the Sunni’s “ruled” the majority Shia population and prevented Iran from getting to Mecca and taking it for themselves. He created an military buffer zone that the Iranians couldn’t penetrate (remember the war between Iraq and Iran). The WHOLE middle east liked the way things were. As long as the Iranians couldn’t conquer Saudi Arabia because they couldn’t get to them, they didn’t care what Saddam did to his people. They DID however want him contained in his own borders so when he struck Kuwait and moved towards Saudi, everyone wanted him back in his own yard. That’s where we came in. We were only supposed to put the mad dog back into his own yard and keep him fenced in. That’s what George HERBERT did. He was an international affairs EXPERT. He knew that we didn’t want to over throw Saddam and then deal with the mop up. Unfortunately his idiot son didn’t and that’s why we are in this mess.
I hope this simplistic overview of world religion and politics helps. Any questions, feel free to ask.
Del
July 26th, 2010
9:05 pm
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/pearl_harbor.htm Try it again.
Scout
July 26th, 2010
9:10 pm
Daddy, why didn’t President Clinton kill Bin Laden when he had him ?
Scout
July 26th, 2010
9:12 pm
Del:
This 22 year old dog face was arrested awhile back.
Headline: “A young Army analyst and an ex-hacker may have played roles in exposing classified secrets.”
If he’s quilty of releasing classified documents (especiall in wartime that will cause the deaths of Americans) …………. I say “firing squad” !!!
md
July 26th, 2010
9:12 pm
Fred,
Thanks for the lesson, now what does it have to do with what I have previously posted??
I said what you said – in 2 sentences.
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
9:12 pm
FRED
Don’t leave out the Sufi…who, thank G-d, are at last standing up and demanding to be heard…
Scout
July 26th, 2010
9:13 pm
Del:
Michelle can’t be orginal so she copies my routine.
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2010
9:13 pm
“We just have to be the ones producing those consumer goods for it to be effective…”
Yep! And I have no doubt we could give away literally TONS of stuff and it would still be cheaper than fighting a war…not to mention how many lives it would save.
What the heck? Conventional bombing doesn’t seem to be working very well, might as well try something else.
Del
July 26th, 2010
9:15 pm
Fred,
You make a cogent argument except you’ve left out 9-11 and the collective belief by most western world leaders and our own congressional leaders of both political stripes that believed Suddam did indeed possess WMD’s. That has never been disproved and in fact has been proved by way of the Kurd gassing. The only thing that has been proved is that we couldn’t find the WMD’s in Iraq. Not a very strong argument that GWD was an idiot.
Mick
July 26th, 2010
9:20 pm
**Not a very strong argument that GWD was an idiot**
Disagree. His father knew best and so did cheney at that time. The french warned us about an insurgency but what did bush2 have to say about that? “Bring it on”, indefensible.
barbara's bush
July 26th, 2010
9:21 pm
Daddy,
Why did Uncle Dick say we would be greeted as liberators and why did you wrap yourself in Jesus while directing American soldiers to torture prisoners of war in violation of the Geneva Convention? I thought you taught us America was different then our sworn enemies. Also, Daddy why did you use granpa’s silver spoon to abuse cocaine in alabama while avoiding the draft?
Del
July 26th, 2010
9:23 pm
Scout@9:12pm,
I’d say ship the little puny necked SOB over to Saudi Arabia and have them administer 500 lashes and then ship is screaming little a$$ to Singapore for 500 more and then turn him loose in Borneo to survive for 45 days in the bush. If he makes it offer him a job with the United States Marine as a rifleman to walk point on every operation until death do they part.
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
9:23 pm
Del
For some reason we’ve decided that WMD is nuclear…ask the Kurds whether or not Sadaam had WMDs and whether or not he used them. There was no reason at the time of Shock and Awe to assume that he did not—highly portable and highly secretable…
BTW
Has Sister Hillary been making rumbles about running in 2012? Any references? I’ve heard some comments that direction by the talking heads, but nothing substantial…
Del
July 26th, 2010
9:24 pm
Scout,
Do I get an Amen and Semper Fi on my last?
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
9:25 pm
Del
@ 9:23
Tell us how your really feel!
Del
July 26th, 2010
9:27 pm
josef,
I think if the “One’s” approval numbers keep falling particularly if the Dem’s take a big hit in November, Hillary will challenge for the 012 nomination.
Mick
July 26th, 2010
9:28 pm
**There was no reason at the time of Shock and Awe to assume that he did not—highly portable and highly secretable…**
So, by that logic we have the right to invade any country in possession…..weak.
Mr Right
July 26th, 2010
9:30 pm
The problem is, there doesn’t seem to be much evidence that things have changed in any fundamental way since Dec. 1, 2009, and so far, the mundane if discouraging details contained in those 90,000 documents make a strong argument that they probably never will.
Jay, this reminds me so much about what you said about Iraq and you were so wrong!
Michelle
July 26th, 2010
9:31 pm
Daddy,
Is Scout my step brother and do you have a copy of his birth certificate?
Michelle
July 26th, 2010
9:32 pm
Daddy,
Why doesn’t Del like my questions?
Fred
July 26th, 2010
9:32 pm
md
July 26th, 2010
9:12 pm
Thanks for the lesson, now what does it have to do with what I have previously posted??
I said what you said – in 2 sentences.
+++++++++
You did? Which two sentences? I don’t see them. you don’t mean THESE two sentences do you?
A little problem called the UN stood in the way of GHWB, and then the weenie UN lead #2 to do his thing. Getting rid of the worthless UN is a good starting point.
++++++++
Because if you mean THOSE two sentences, then you need to hone up on those reading comprehension skills. The UN didn’t stand in the way of George HERBERT, his prior knowledge of what would happen did. If you meant two OTHER sentences, please point them out…….
wendy
July 26th, 2010
9:32 pm
del your real tough sitting in your barcalounger counting your rolls of fat, chicken-hawk.
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2010
9:32 pm
“believed Suddam did indeed possess WMD’s. That has never been disproved and in fact has been proved by way of the Kurd gassing. ”
It isn’t possible to prove a negative. The evidence that he did not have a working arsenal of WMDs is two-fold: he didn’t use any, and none have ever been found. Anyone who thinks he DID have them…produce YOUR proof? Where are they? It’s been nearly 8 years, they must be SOMEWHERE…right?
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
9:34 pm
Mick
Don’t mistake that for agreement…I didn’t agree at the time and I don’t agree now…and for the record my boy, IED disposal in Iraq, has had to take the medical regimen for exposure to…
Mick
July 26th, 2010
9:34 pm
**Hillary will challenge for the 012 nomination**
Really? After watching “the one” get burned by the vast right wing conspiracy on just about every thing he does, hillary is probably sleeping quite nicely. Why would she want to climb into the lions den knowing it would not be any better for her or for that matter any democrat who is becomes president?
wendy
July 26th, 2010
9:34 pm
scout is a self-hating queer…semper fi fag
DebbieDoRight Esq.
July 26th, 2010
9:34 pm
del nice try at 4:58; but this is where the fine print gets ya…..I stated (refer to my 4:50 pm post for the accuracy of the statement if you wish) del – talk is cheap. find me a link where, when Obama was campaigning, he stated that he would WIN THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN.
You provided a link where PRESIDENT O said la de da not SENATOR O while he was campaigning.
Also refer back to your post where you said (at 4:43 p.m.) which stated : DebbieDo,
Never cared for sardines. As for Obama’s campaign inclusion of needing to win in Afghanistan, sorry but he certainly did say so, and still does.
That little thing called accuracy will get ya every time………..
popeye
July 26th, 2010
9:36 pm
Ah geez Wendy…Now you have set off a sh*t storm of vindictives coming your way
The other night I mentioned atrocities we as Americans had committed against the Vietnamese, and Del had to excuse himself to go punch a wall!
Mick
July 26th, 2010
9:38 pm
josef
I had no intel and I knew that iraq would be a fiasco. They used 911 to accomplish an objective they had right after being sworn in – invade iraq.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 26th, 2010
9:38 pm
Majority of Small Business Sector
Facing Higher Taxes Under Obama Plan
It’s all a lie, ain’t it?
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
9:40 pm
wendy
I doubt Scout is a queer…but I can say this, for all our argument over any number of issues he has always treated me as a gentleman and you might want to watch your language…I take far more offense at what you just posted than anything Scout has ever said to me…
ELSEWISE
I will say this for Sister Hillary, she said and has stuck by that given the information she had at her disposal at the time, she’d vote the same again. Hindsight is 20-20…
Del
July 26th, 2010
9:40 pm
Doggone/GA,
As I indicated at your request, I’ll respect your opinions and do nothing to try and change them. I honor your request knowing full well that you lack an acceptable grasp of facts and have proven yourself largely ignorant on most topics in my view. Having said that I wish you only the best in your endeavors.
Scout
July 26th, 2010
9:41 pm
Wendy:
Is that you?
Scout
July 26th, 2010
9:42 pm
Michelle:
LOL ! Look ………….. there goes a puppy !
Scout
July 26th, 2010
9:42 pm
Del:
Yes you do because that would certainly take longer …………… and do it all barefooted.
Mick
July 26th, 2010
9:43 pm
Do we not have a deficit? When my credit card balance starts getting too high you know what I do?
Pay more and reduce the balance. Higher taxes for the wealthiest 2 percent? No problem, right tea partiers who worry so much about the national debt?
Michelle
July 26th, 2010
9:44 pm
Daddy,
Do you like my singing, Del and Scout sitting in a tree, kissing! Aren’t I a good singer. I don’t understand Daddy. Don’t ask, Don’t tell what?
Del
July 26th, 2010
9:44 pm
Wendy,
If I am all that fat and lolly gagging around in a comfortable chair, I’d say I’ve earned it, so thanks for your compliment. Bless your heart now.
DebbieDoRight Esq.
July 26th, 2010
9:44 pm
@@: Del: Thanks for responding to Debbie’s “that is SO not true” post. I rarely linger waiting for responses. They’re all too predictable. “SO not true”???? is SOOOO valley girl(ISH).
Yes — for you sure. YOu probably haven’t been a girl since Betsy sewed and patched together the flag…………… (ish)
josef: And why does the current POTUS go bowing to the same who put me and “my kind” to death simply for being?
At least he wasn’t kissing his azz like the Bushies did. One thing you can say about Obama, he wasn’t in bed with the Saudis as the Bushes STILL are. Bowing is one thing, sooking their little pr(i)ks is another.
SPQR(laissez Faire)
July 26th, 2010
9:45 pm
You can’t commit attrocities against a culture of people who eat dogs, because the members of that culture are the lowest filth on earth, next to muslims. Is it a genocidal act to wipe out a fire ant colony? Nope..
so, when south east asians give up the canine cuisine, their lives may have value to me. Until then, o.o% value.
Mick
July 26th, 2010
9:46 pm
wendy
In the battle of ideas, one thing is for sure – you are a loser.
Fred
July 26th, 2010
9:46 pm
Jonix: Again you are educating me. I had never heard of the Sufi before (did a quick google). You also are intriguing me. At first I thought you were a died in the wool lefty, but reading your comments here, you come across as an independent like me, guided by truth, not by preconceived notions that force the “facts” to be fit in to political ideology. I’ll have to read you more lol.
Del: I was explaining the realities of a political/religious situation, not the fantasies that the right propagated to justify the illegal invasion of Iraq by George WALKER Bush. Maybe had we gone in with the WHOLE plan of invasion, (hammer and anvil tactic, look it up) instead of the half-assed plan we DID invade with, some WMD’s would have been found. I highly doubt it though. There is good evidence that Saddam used up all the chemical/biological weapons we gave him on the Kurds. As to the September 11th (I REFUSE to call it 911) attack? I may be mistaken, but there were Iraqi’s involved in that? I thought a majority of the piece of chicken dung that did THAT were Saudi. I don’t see your point.
Also, while I never called GWB an idiot while he was my President, (I feel it demeans us as a Nation to talk about our sitting President in such terms, but that’s just me), I feel no such restraint now. He IS and WAS an idiot. I’ll explain my reason for that conclusion in a later post if you wish, but the half assed invasion on faulty intelligence was not the only poor judgment he showed in his 8 years in office. Would that it were………..
SPQR(laissez Faire)
July 26th, 2010
9:47 pm
Daddy, when can we go back to school?
We’ve been on vacation forever:(
popeye
July 26th, 2010
9:47 pm
josef..
.I have no qualm with you, but who are you to say to another blogger to watch their language?
Did Jay appoint you as second in command
Del
July 26th, 2010
9:47 pm
Popeye,
It truly saddens me, however, “about face”
Finn McCool
July 26th, 2010
9:48 pm
interesting…
http://www.truth-out.org/the-silent-killing-americas-workforce-an-interview-with-patrice-woeppel-deadly-inadequacy-workers-co
There are also lessons to be learned from the language in the Canadian corporate manslaughter law (An Act to Amend the Criminal Code, C-45, 2004), which makes it possible to convict the organization on the basis of the actions (or failure to act) of any employee and a “relevant senior officer;” the definition of the latter to include “members of management with operational, as well as policy-making, authority.”
popeye
July 26th, 2010
9:50 pm
Del .. Your 9:47
I have no clue what you are talking about .. enlighten me?
Ira Say Gent
July 26th, 2010
9:50 pm
Majority of Small Business Sector
Facing Higher Taxes Under Obama Plan
So, you’re saying that you had rather continue making nothing under the Bush plan so you can continue paying no taxes.
larry
July 26th, 2010
9:50 pm
wendy,
scout is the bravest homophobe to ever bloviate with honor on this blog bar none.
SPQR(laissez Faire)
July 26th, 2010
9:51 pm
Ah, leftist progressives..the gift that keeps on giving..like mestasticizing cancer and a tapeworm..
Oliver Stone: ‘Jewish-Dominated Media’ Prevents Hitler from Being Portrayed ‘in Context’…
Doggone/GA
July 26th, 2010
9:53 pm
“proven yourself largely ignorant on most topics in my view”
Well, I can’t say thank you…but I *can* refuse to play your game.
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
9:54 pm
popeye
Why? Look at what she hurled at Scout as if he’s supposed to be some inferior if he is queer or fag…give me a break, Mate, what if she had said “n-gger” or “k*ke?” Yeah, that’s why I said watch your language…
Fred
I am a lefty–I just don’t feel obligated to go by the party line because someone else says it’s the party line…and the Sufi–aren’t they fascinating? I have a friend who’s Sufi–family is Whirling Dervishes…!!
Dr. DoLittle
July 26th, 2010
9:56 pm
SPQR,
Call me and I’ll see what I can do for you.
josef nix
July 26th, 2010
9:56 pm
laissez
Can you link me that Oliver Stone, please…not being snarky…really do want to know…
Scout
July 26th, 2010
9:57 pm
Michelle:
O.K. Now we know you’re probably about 14. That explains a lot.