‘A corporate culture that has lost its sense of shame’

Business and industry leaders and their managers really know nothing regardless of what education or credential they posess. Did the parents of todays corporate leaders teach them anything as a child about fairness, honesty, responsibility and the intangible affects of cheating? I’ve run businesses and closed those businesses for the sole reason of not being profitable without some level of cheating.

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What we need is OSHA along with other regulatory agencies to visit these companies , without notice, and inspect and fine these companies that do not put safety ahead of profits. These regulatory agencies need to help prevent accidents and deaths of employees because the corporate world has proven they wil not do it themselves.

And i am speaking from experience.

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All companies who do not show a good safety record and who continually put human life secondary to profit, first,should be made to produce a reserve to provide for the families of the men lost, much like BP’s and, failing that, be nationalized and the owners prosecuted….

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You cannot lose a sense of shame you never had. Profits are always put ahead of safety.
@larry; did you ever see an OSHA inspector?

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Yeah, lets have the shameless in congress, such as Charlie Rangel, tell us how to run the coal industry.

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Yes , twice. But only after a death and after an employee cut his hand completely off. The company i used to work for was found to have workplace safety violations, but it recieved only a slap on the wrist.

The death happened because of a jig that had been written up by employees for three years and management (including the CEO)was alerted fell on a man that was just walking by it. Killed him instantly.

The hand got cut off because the employee was only on his second day on the job and was operating a saw without a guard. He was not trained properly.

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There is no such thing as clean coal, but the problem with nuclear is the waste. As in, where do you put it?

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My great-grandpa was a coal miner, in the hills of Kentucky. He only lived to be 40. Died of black lung disease. Left behind a wife with three kids all under the age of 13.

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Not to mention the benevolent federal government SUBSIDIZING deep-well drilling. The deeper ya go, the MORE tax-free money.

Yea, I’m sure MORE money for incompetent federalies will solve everything.

We NEED a federal Mine Safety MINE SAFETY office. Or maybe a GINOURMIS Office of Mineral Management Personnel Management to watch and inspect the Enourmis Office of Mineral Manangement.

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jt:

How about a “Mining Czar” ?

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Scout

There is already one.

They probably need an office to Manage all of the Czars. (they’re probably all busy surfing porn anyhoo.)

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They probably need an office to Manage all of the Czars. (they’re probably all busy surfing porn anyhoo.)

Yea, we need a Czar to oversee the Czars!!

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So Jay,

The Federal Mine Safety and Health Administration issued thousands of violations (Your words Jay) and apparently did nothing to actually improve conditions in the mines. Why do you not hold the feet of GOVERNMENT to the fire?

Oh, you are a liberal, big government guy, Jay!

PS. I have been away but did you ever read the 60 Minutes interview with your hero, George Soros in which he bragged about his work to steal from fellow Jews during WWII at the ripe old age of 14? Seems to have formed his life’s work wouldn’t you say?

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Deep well drilling was forced upon the oil companies by the environmental lobby and their cohorts in the Democrat Party.

There is plenty of oil for the next few hundred years within the boundaries of the US without ever going off shore. But again, the environmental movement blocks drilling and refineries to maintain our dependence on foreign oil.

And one more thought. We have been using oil as a primary energy source for a little over one hundred years. In that 100+ years we have gone from being earth-bound to the Moon and back, established an orbiting space station, sent probes into deep space and yet the short-sighted politicians and others wish us to believe oil will still be our primary energy source well into the future?

Must be some left over “the world is flat” thinkers!

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Where is the context for what Don Blankenship?

Why do you rush to believe Dana Milbank before checking the context?

If only there were search engines where one could verify this very public figure’s previous statements on these issues!

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I like the idea of a Czar Czar!

Rev Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dorn, George Soros, Franklin Raines, Rahm Emanuel, Tony Rezco, and Bill Clinton – any one of those would seem perfect for Obama’s choice since character and love of country are not prerequisites.

PS. Put Obama or Obama’s into Microsoft Word and do a spell check. What an interesting alternative I was given.

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Jay:

I really don’t think this is “off topic” :

“The presidential cabinet with the highest percentage of private sector experience was that of Dwight Eisenhower at around 58%. The lowest — until Obama — was Kennedy at about 28%. The average ran between 35% and 40% … until, as I said, Obama. Care to guess what percentage of Obama’s cabinet has prior private sector experience? Try 7%.

So … now you might have a better idea why Obama can’t quite figure out how to grow jobs in the private sector. He’s a big-government president with a bit-government cabinet. When your cabinet is made up almost wholly of people with nothing but government experience with a sprinkling of academia behind them you have to know that the private sector is going to not only get short shrift .. but it’s going to be pretty much abused or ignored. To Obama and his advisors the private sector exists to support and fund the federal government … and little more.”

Boortz

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1)“Deep well drilling was forced upon the oil companies by the environmental lobby and their cohorts in the Democrat Party.”

2) “There is plenty of oil for the next few hundred years within the boundaries of the US without ever going off shore.”

Can you post anything that backs up or “proves” these two statements?

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The oil companies aren’t drilling in deep waters because they’ve been locked out of drilling ANWR, they’re drilling there because there is oil there and because they make a lot of money selling oil. Oil companies exist to suck oil out of the ground and turn it into cash selling it to us. Opening up ANWR to oil companies would just mean they’d be able to make more money for longer. Opening up ANWR also wouldn’t have any effect on deep water offshore drilling.

Most of the world’s easy oil has already been tapped, and the small blip of oil sitting under ANWR isn’t going to slow down the efforts of big oil to ensure they have supply — without regulation, you can bet that oil companies will drill anywhere their engineers tell them there’s oil to be found. Without regulation (and seriously harsh penalties, company-breaking even), oil companies will continue to cut corners and drill without common sense safety measures like pre-drilled relief wells (mandated in Canada). If it’s cheaper to pay for a cleanup every X years than to pay for safer operating over those same years, then oil companies are going to keep cutting corners. It’s the brutal accounting of the oil business.

I kept asking myself “where do all the righties get the exact same message?” Why it’s from none other than Sister Sarah’s screech.

So let me see if I understand: if we allowed drilling in ANWR (on which this entire argument revolves) we would not be drilling in the Gulf of Mexico? Is that your position? If it is it is false.

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If only there were search engines where one could verify this very public figure’s previous statements on these issues!

Just for grins I took the action called for in the above snarkasm and used Google. It’s not a very productive excercise so I’ll have to agree with Moderate until we have a transcript. I’ve never seen any good reason to take Dana Milbank at face value and the write up at the National Press club site doesn’t sound much like Milbank’s account

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“corporate business is what built America…” Really??? He actually said that??? And all this time I thought it was hard-working citizens who did it. Geez, Am. Hist 101 from a corporate boob! Yeah, let’s let corporations run willy-nilly like they have for the last dozen years. That worked out well for our economy, didn’t it?

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Soothsayer,

Point 1. The Dems are the pawns of the enviros. Dare you argue that point?

The enviros have fought on-shore drilling in ANWR and in the continental US as well as drilling in the shallow waters of the Gulf. Thus the oil companies are forced to the deep water.

I believe these points to be generally accepted.

Point 2. Google “Gull Island” and “Bakken Oil Field” and you will learn these two oil pools contain sufficient oil to power the US, not for decades but for centuries. Gull Island was discovered in the late 1970’s, as I recall, and not one drop of oil has ever been extracted even though at the time this was thought to be the largest “oil pool” in the world. Gull Island is in Prudhoe Bay.

The Bakken Oil Field is under land owned by the US government so royalties and other cost are eliminated. Estimates of Bakken are as high as 2.3 billion barrels.

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I’ll have to agree with Moderate until we have a transcript.

fine, but my issue with him was that he seemed to be drawing a parallel between the sin of presuming stuff about a guy with a long history of incendiary rhetoric, whose legend precedes his Press Club appearance, with the sin of presuming stuff about an obscure bureaucrat nobody here had ever heard of.

I mean, sure. There’s a bit of a point there–in both cases one would be indulging in some context-free guessing. One guess is a tad more educated than the other, is all.

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Anyway, on a lighter note RW, I apologize for my Flushing, NY franchise’s apparent breach of the non-aggression pact they’d signed with Los Bravos 10 or so days ago, last night. Don’t know what got into ‘em.

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“The Bakken Oil Field is under land owned by the US government so royalties and other cost are eliminated. Estimates of Bakken are as high as 2.3 billion barrels.”

If that’s the case why then do I have a deed that was left to me in a will for 1,000 acres of mineral rights in Williams County North Dakota.

Also the Bakken oil field extends into Canada which I highly doubt is owned by the U.S. Gov’t.

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Not so casual: Your claim was that environmentalists forced oil companies to drill offshore. That is untrue.

Your claim that we have centuries of oil left in this country is untrue. 2.3 billion barrels of oil would only last 105 days since we use 20,000,000 barrels a day. 2,100/20 = 105.

Do you really think “Mother Natures Network” is less neutral than Sarah Palin where the right gets their information from. I never claimed that it was neutral.

Once again I challenge you to post ANYTHING that proves your earlier points.

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popeye,

Why do I have a deed for 10,000,000 acres yet the state is still called Montana? Even after Joe’s son was arrested for underage drinking!

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So environmentalists have killed 50 million people?

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sfb,

Apparently neither team knows how that NAP is supposed to work, but since they have 10 games left head to head maybe they feel the need to make it look good for a while.

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Soothsayer,

Estimates of Bakken run from 503 Billion to 2.3 Trillion barrels of oil.

Go pic a nit! You have no facts.

Your envy of Sarah Palin shines through all of your posts.

You posted the rant of “Mother” as though fact. Are you trying to run from your own post?

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Class war? The rich win every time, they got the money but it defies logic as to why so many average joe’s seem to worry about their plight. Wake up and smell the coffee, the bush tax cuts were an extra special deal for the fat cats, time for them to pony up and help pay down the deficit – they can afford it with no pain. Why don’t these rich goobers ever want to help the people in this country? They reap the greatest rewards – wealth beyond yours or mines imagination. Death is the great equalizer – no one escapes and you can’t take it with you, go ahead make our day and tax the two percenters to kingdom come.

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neither team knows how that NAP is supposed to work, but since they have 10 games left head to head

I hear the Mets plan to bring Armando Benitez out of retirement. It’ll be like old times!

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Troll,

Another perfect blog name for a Lib, if you eliminate the “rightwing” part.

The states along the Gulf control the waters off their coast. FLA has asserted control over a larger area (5.3 miles I believe) than the other states and considers their tourism industry more important than drilling.

Again, the enviros have fought on shore drilling and forced the oil companies off shore and into deep water.

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A research paper by USGS geochemist Leigh Price in 1999 estimated the total amount of oil contained in the Bakken shale ranged from 271 billion to 503 billion barrels (8.00×1010 m3), with a mean of 413 billion barrels (6.57×1010 m3).

While these numbers would appear to indicate a massive reserve, the percentage of this oil which might be extracted using current technology is another matter. Estimates of the Bakken’s technically recoverable oil have ranged from as low as 1% — because the Bakken shale has generally low porosity and low permeability, making the oil difficult to extract — to Leigh Price’s estimate of 50% recoverable.

Not So Casual: I’ll let you do the math on this one.

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BOOGER! How are those stocks doing? Please enlighten us with your knowledge of the petroleum industry.

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My response was to:

stands for decibels

July 24th, 2010
10:58 am

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Soothsayer,

Even developed a budget? Made a payroll? Hired or fired an employee? Been responsible to shareholders? Etc., etc.

Are you trying to assert @ 11:19 that an oil company, if given the choice, would rather take the more expensive route to oil (deep drilling) as opposed to drilling more cheaply (on shore)? You libs like to make the accusation that corporations are all about profit? Which route do you think these evil corporations are going to take if one is significantly more profitable than another?

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Soothsayer

of course the oil companies would have drilled. But you have to admit that this was because of DEMAND. Nuclear energy will decrease DEMAND. Who is against nuclear energy?

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“Watching????? How about acting….is that too much to ask of this administration?”

I did some contract work for the construction of the Georgia Aquarium. This was the OSHA scam there.
They set up in an adjacent high-rise, with expensive cameras and took pictures of safety violations for a period of three weeks, then promptly submitted the bill.

That is not the way to PREVENT safety violations.
They should have been on the ground from day one with their respective costumes and badges, BUTTTTTT, there wouldn’t have been as much MONEY involved. I suspect the same happens with the mining, drilling, safe-sex, etc……………………………

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Oh, Jay, your column today looks like a Cynthia Tucker c&p job. Don’t fall into that habit, please.

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jt: they drill in deep water because all of the “low-hanging fruit” is gone. Most on-shore reserves are not economically viable at $70 – $80/bbl.

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Jay ! Jay ! Jay !

Well, well, well ………….. I just heard old Roy Barnes will be in South Georgia come Monday and just won’t be able to be here for “Che” Obama’s visit to Hotlanta.

How convenient !

HA ! HA ! HA !

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OH no…

Libs are over at Kyle’s place calling him names over the Sherrod Saga. Doing their liberal duty! Everybody is a racist except liberals!! They are peachy kleen and without blemish!!!!!

Our poor lil’ Jay is over here crying over the coalminers just to show that big business is bad (and not socialism).. What a shame.

I wish the Democrats would put out a new propaganda manual. The current one hasn’t been revised since the AntiBush Bible was presented.

Hmm…let’s see..lotsa people killed driving to Atlanta. All expressways should be barricaded and inspected. You don’t mind killiing people everyday? Poor people driving on the expressways and you don’t care?????? Evil rich people. They don’t drive to work!! RAISE THEIR TAXES!!! Besides, they are all conservative Republicans and they kill coal miners.

Thus it goes, my friends. That last paragraph was called “thinking like a loyal lib”. You think I might get a job at the AJC???

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The oil under Gull Island, Alaska, appears to be just a pipe dream

Cobb also was not familiar with Gull Island, but he was able to provide some context on the possibility of an oil field that could deliver 2 million barrels a day. Cobb writes, “the claim that 2 million barrels per day could come from Gull Island means it would be classed among the world’s so-called super giant fields of which there are only a few, most of them in Saudi Arabia. It would be puzzling why the owners of this presumed find would not be pumping as fast as they can at this price.”

There is no Gull Island, there is no Gull Island oil.

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Soothsayer,

The estimates of Bakken are all over the board. The point I originally made was:

Based upon our use of oil for only 100+years, the technology advances in those 100+ years, the amount of oil we have (some experts claim this to be more than the rest of the world combined) and the absurd idea that we will still use oil as a primary source of energy for centuries into the future all point to the fallacy of the standard argument of liberals that we do not have enough oil and we are about use all that we have.

According to a June 2008 article in Kiplinger Magazine, the United States has enough oil reserves to power the nation for upwards of three centuries. Soothsayer, that would be 300 years, or did I post that earlier?

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scout
Before I go child-proofing the house (grandkids coming next week!), did you catch that lawyer’s letter Doggone posted me last night? If not, do…that thing was rich and right up your alley…

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josef:

What thread ? Time ?

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Soothsayer,

There is a Gull Island in Prudhoe Bay. I’ve been to Prudhoe a few times, and it is there. Once again, watching someone discuss something they are totally ignorant about is painful.

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Scout

It was @ 10:23 on travellin’ music…

And, yeah, a jerk…I was just wondering what kind…

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dusty

Thank god for liberals….if it wasn’t for the libruls, then who would you have to whine and moan about?

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Mick

“Thank god for liberals….if it wasn’t for the libruls, then who would you have to whine and moan about?”

Cubans?

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(Reuters) – Six years after the insect killer DDT was globally outlawed on grounds of environmental damage, two researchers say there are new reasons for doubting the chemical is harmful and are urging its use against malaria.

In the tropical West African nation of Ivory Coast, malaria kills 176 children under five each day, the government’s top malaria official, Dr Sam Koffi Moise, told Reuters.

Reuters.

One small African nation.

176 children A DAY.

Why am I the only one who knows this?

You think maybe the libs want to kill African children?

Over population, harming the planet, ooops, what’s another giant pile of dead black kids compared to al-Gore’s vanity?

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josef

DADT?

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jt,

Nice post @11:57.

There are also geologists who believe the earth continues to produce oil as part of the geologic process, a theory that could be supported by your post on the insulating effects or conversely the insulating theory supported by the constantly reproducing theory.

However, nothing will allay the rants of the anti-oil crowd who see our disproportionate use as evil but our disproportionate support of poor nations around the world as necessary. These left loons somehow equate our prosperity with the desparate conditions in other nations as a cause and effect – we have their money.

The reality is that economic condition is not a win/lose game. Both parties to a transaction can, and should in my view, win. If I sell a piece of commercial real estate and suck all of the potential profit out on the front end, where is the incentive for the purchaser? Please ignore those who believe that as long as you have cash flow (government?) you can survive. Profit is primary to every business endeavor.

How does this relate to the poor nations? The US is prosperous because we have abundant natural resources and the human talent to turn those resources into a commodity others require, such as wheat or other food products. We sell, and share without cost, those products with the rest of the world. This did not create the poor nations, the poor nations have either been forced into poverty by despots who have drained the resources or by the lack of resources in the beginning.

Again, none of this will allay the left loons who think their money is theirs and our money is theirs to redistribute or spend as only a lib could see fit.

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Booger: the U.S. does not produce (on a daily basis) enough oil for even one day. That’s why we are so reliant on imports. Each and every day we import approximately 13,400,000 bbl of the approximately 20,000,000 bbl of oil that we use.

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I don’t have any record of the history of what he has said in the past so I can only judge him on what is presented.

Fair enough; I figured most political junkies posting here had already been introduced to the World According to Don Blankenship.

I hereby withdraw a full 85% of the implicit snark content of my post @ 10.24; that’s a better deal than you’ll find at most retail outlets!

In other news, I see that my porch thermometer shows it’s about 99° in the shade. Maybe mowing the lawn at high noon wasn’t such a bright idea.

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oops, did I ever screw that up. I claim heat exhaustion.

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By Golly, MICK,

I would complain about those people teams trying to beat our beautiful BRAVES. Those lousy teams! Don’t they know who is supposed to win?

By the way, I’m a Republican and have NOT killed a single coal miner. You think Jay will throw me out when he finds out the TRUTH???

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JOSEF

Cubans? Those happy people who chew on sugar cane all day and have doctors at their fingertips?
Nawwww. They even let a few citizens out of prison the other day. They even sent cigars to Bill Clinton. Cubans are just fine cha cha cha ….

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I would argue that it isn’t just “corporate culture” that’s lost it’s sense of shame. It’s so widespread now days, that I wonder if anybody has a sense of shame, anymore.

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josef:

We know “what kind”.

“NEVER AGAIN” !

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dusty

I don’t recall ever reading bookman blaming repubs for mining deaths? That ceo is really an arrogant piece of work on the other hand, whether he be a dem or repub. Go marlins…..You are a real fan, I admit to being a very fair weathered observer at best.

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josef:

I just read the 10:23 ………. HA ! HA ! HA !

Will copy and pass on !

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Anybody know how this story is progressing?

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/lockerbie_confirms_bomber_lobbied_XICrpsLVk4HlWK9JfvZ6KM?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=

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Mick two things about NJ:

1) on the minus side, they only formally abolished slavery in 1846.

2) on the plus side, this guy.

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Well, Josef,

Looks like it is going to be TOTAL LEFTOVER REJECTION DAY . Someone just said”I’ll try the rice but the rest….I’ll leave for you, Mom.” So much consideration here.

Happily we are all eating OUT tonight and that means NO COOKIN!!! Yayyyy. While you nibble on your quibbles, I go to eat cold chicken with a smile .(Gotta fool ‘em into thinking I’m enjoying those lousy leftovers.)

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SFD

Don’t forget NJ’s gift to the world…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPudiBR15mk&feature=related

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A corporate culture that has lost its sense of shame.

OR

We screw our employees and PASS THE SAVINGS on to YOU!

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Some of the main tactics used by the mainstream media to mislead the masses are as follows:

The next time you view an MSM debate, watch the pundits carefully, you will likely see many if not all of the strategies above used on some unsuspecting individual attempting to tell the truth.

When you watch the news watch and listen for as many of these as you can recognize.

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Not So Casual: I never said that we would exhaust our reserves. We simply don’t produce enough oil in the U.S. every day to meet our needs. Why on Earth do you think we import oil?

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Not So Casual: As I said earlier, you are a “low-information” person. Everything you believe has been given to you by way of “thought-transfusion.” I haven’t run from anything, I’m just tired of discussing this issue with low-information person. So far you have not post a single thing to back up any of your assertions. You just parrot what someone told you.

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SFD
Understood on the Jerseyite thingie…felt the same way about The King, being a Mississippian myself…only now truly beginning to appreciate him…

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Sorry, not in the springsteen camp, prefer this band-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfmYCM4CS8o&feature=related

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By the way, I saw that Blankenship at the Press Club on C-Span. I could only take about five to ten minutes of him. The gist was his company did no wrong. As for the Massey safety, he said it was compared inaccurately against other companies which had merged. So, he is intimating the safety records for the merged companies only show their safety records since the completion of the mergers. He stunk up the place with factoids.

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BTW….DON….the Grand Poo Bah of Massy….well Don’s little company is located WHERE??? In Richmond VA…far, far away from where the mines are… Kinda like Dick Cheney “safe” away from all that “dirty stuff” going on…. Was recently in West VA while I was away…I think I have one of their newspapers…talked about Massy and Don…let me see if I can find it. I’m pretty sure it was not recycled yet. From what I read…those living there are NOT FANS of him (Don)…and the way Massy runs things in their state.

One thing I DID read in the paper while there…their unemployment rate in WV is WAY less then our own. Lowest county was around 4%…highest county…about 8%… pretty easy to figure out why…their economy was not built upon “speculative” real estate….

Know what else?

Their kids do better in school on a national level as well…

Go figure!

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eh, I reserve my right to go right on loathing Bon Freaking Jovi. I’d rather listen to housecats being tortured.

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Just remember, this is a pretty lame thing to be #1 in, given that (viewership-wise) you’re still getting your ass kicked by the likes of Spongebob Squarepants and Hannah Montana…

They are more reliable than that so-called no. 1 rated opinion show.

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Internet trolls, also known as “paid posters” or “paid bloggers,” are increasingly being employed by private corporations as well, often for marketing purposes. In fact, it is a rapidly growing industry.

7) Straw Man Arguments: A very common technique. The troll will accuse his opposition of subscribing to a certain point of view, even if he does not, and then attacks that point of view.

How many of these tactics have you seen here today?

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You can actually get paid for blogging, wow.

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Sorry Sooth…i should have provided the source:

http://www.foxnews.com

There ya go! All the internet trolls and the 7 points you made found in 1 place! Easy!

Thanks again!

-d

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The world isn’t running out of oil. It’s running out of CHEAP oil. It’s getting harder to find, the reservoirs are smaller and it’s getting more and more difficult to extract. In California they are heating rocks several hundred feet under the surface to several hundred degrees just to get it to flow. Prudhoe Bay is only able to produce about 50% of what it used to. Mexico’s oil production is dropping rapidly and at the current rate they will not be able to export oil in just a few years. Environmentalists preventing drilling on land? Well, 2/3 of the worlds land based drilling rigs are in the US, so they haven’t done a very good job have they? These are not my observations, they are the observations of Mathew Simmons, a member of the National Petroleum Council who has been working with the petroleum industry for over 35 years and served as energy advisor to George W. Bush. Drill baby drill won’t solve this problem. As you have to go deeper and deeper in more and more remote and difficult environments your drilling costs go up. As the size of the reservoirs get smaller and the production per well goes down, those drilling and production costs go up because they are being applied to a smaller revenue base. In 2008 gas went up to $4 per gallon, more in some places, without any disruptions or threatened disruptions. The price has since fallen but so has demand with the fall in GNP. Industry analysts say the supply/demand curve has shifted and you can expect the return of 4$/gallon gas as soon as demand returns to 2008 levels. This problem will only get worse. You don’t have to believe me or anyone else. You can just keep sticking your head in the sand but don’t come crying to me or anyone else when your gas prices go through the roof and you have no alternative but to send even more billions of dollars to other countries, many of whom want to see us destroyed. The alternative fuels issue is about who will control our destiny. Us or somebody else.

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TGT,

You certainly earned that $5.00. Excellent post.

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Don’t forget:

Thanks for your copy and paste…anyway….
2 simple words:

PEAK OIL

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Saul, no it’s not a copy and paste. That is my writing.

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For those who disregard history and “empires”…what was it that “did in” the British Empire?

Their faith in “coal” being the world’s energy source…

Yup…we still mine coal…but it’s not what drive economies like oil does…and just like GB put everything they had into coal…we as a nation have put everything into oil…and just like coal takes a back burner now…yes, we’ll still use it…but it WON’T be our “primary” source forever…

Just like coal both built and sank the last British Empire…Oil built our current Empire and is sinking it as well…

Sad to those who can’t handle living in a nation not “ruling” the Empire.

China’s next.

All Empires end…history teaches that over and over and over… it also teaches us that those “clinging” to the failing Empire…well they chose to fight back with war… yet they lost each and every time…

Yes… history repeats itself… sad when those can’t see it and learn from past mistakes…

Being 2nd or 3rd… it’s just TOO HARD for some to digest… yet you have no control over it. Maybe that’s why some try to continually go out fighting…no matter what “facts” there are to show them how this Empire has already faded…

Perhaps being citizen of the “world” and trying to get along with the “others” is just what this nation needed… being the world’s Bully got us what??????

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what a dumb ass statement. China is now the worlds second largest user of oil, and 1/2 their nation still lives as piss poor subsistance rice farmers. When oil prices rise, china will suffer as much as ANYONE. We are #1 as long as we are willing to do whatever it takes to stay there. Liberals act like thei want a commuppance in life, that they just can;t control themselves and they need someone else to kick their ass..well I will volunteer on a individual basis.

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SPQR1;55; Number One has the biggest Gun.

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SPQR…and THEIR GDP Vs. OURS? You missed the point… They will continue to “produce” more then we do…

Sad that you’re “afraid” for another nation to become 1st place… kick and scream all you want to…it’s already happening… same thing every “Empire” did as it slipped… what are you SOOOO “afraid” of?

Don’t worry..we’ll still have the NFL and MLB… we’ll still have Micky Dees creating more obese citizens…nothing will change…. your kids will STILL be able to say “under god” while in school…

Be a citizen of “earth”… because last I read in the bible… I don’t recall jesus saying ANYTHING about the USA “ruling” the world as we know it…

anyway…i’m out for a bit…enjoy the worry… (but don’t worry about having to speak Chinese… they’ll cater “down” to us and learn English…)….

bye!

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We are #1 as long as we are willing to do whatever it takes to stay there.

Lie, cheat, steal, kill… whatever. It’s the Republican way. As long as the corporation is happy, we’re all happy.

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Drinking and music is a deadly mix.

15 dead in Love Parade stampede
Fifteen people have been killed in Germany during the country’s annual “Love Parade”, held this year in the former industrial Ruhr city of Duisburg.

What should have been a celebration of techno-music and dance turned into horror near the field where hundreds of thousands gathered during the afternoon. Many continued to party even as the air was filled the noise of police sirens, unaware of the tragedy taking place behind them.

Rescue squads had to fight their way through an ocean of people, many of whom were inebriated although friendly. “They simply had no idea of the scale of the tragedy,” said a police spokesman.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/7908522/15-dead-in-Love-Parade-stampede.html

Since so many of you profess to drinking during Friday night’s music fest, I’ll be looking for a pile of letters. I’ll know then that you’ve had way too much to drink.

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Hmphf. Hillary ticking off China over some rocks and North Korea is threatening to nuke South Korea over some war exercises between South Korea and the US (as if it’s the first time or something). Then we have the disastrous economy and 17% under/unemployment well over a year now after a trillion dollar stimulus bill was passed that according to “Smart Ass” Biden was supposed to stop unemployment from going above 8%.

I guess it’s time for Obama to go on vacation again.

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Carpet Kitten

July 24th, 2010
3:08 pm

And I wish President Bush had gone on more vacation instead of just around a third of his tenure. Then maybe our economy would not have collapsed, and around 5000 young American men and women would not have lost their lives…

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Fang, let me add a few more government projects that played a critical role in the development and growth of the country. First, the Erie Canal which opened up large areas of the midwest creating both markets and a means to export goods. The intercontinental railroad which allowed the movement of people and goods accross the country. It promoted settlement and was a huge boost to economic activity. The Hoover dam and similar reservoirs which allowed not only population and economic growth to California but which created millions of acres of farmland which were not viable without irrigation. The interstate road system which connected almost every part of America and ushered in the age of the automobile as families could travel more easily which, of course, resulted in tremendous econimic growth through tourism and the dollars spent all along the way. There are plenty of smaller examples too. Capitalism has done tremendous things but they didn’t create these things, they capitalized on them.

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Fang:

It would be good to have your source and my source debate that point.

theyeshavit:

If you have the time that would be great. Although we differ often, at least I know I will get an honest answer from you.

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wet wiccan:

Or ……………. without corporations no one would have a job.

Also, did you know that motorcycles don’t have doors ?

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Like her or not, rachel maddow is the best tv talking head when it comes to putting together the FACTS of an issue. Scout, I think you should check her out. She absolutely should be doing meet the press, instead of the current doofus.

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Scout: with all due respect, Milton Friedman is an idiot. His neoliberal capitalism model is now discredited and lies on the junk-heap of history. Neoliberal capitalism is the cause of the collapse of our economy if not the entire nation.

Many, many people have jobs who don’t work for corporations. I’m one of them. In fact, working for a corporation might be hazardous to your economic well-being when you get sacked and your job is offshored.

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Soothsayer :

Not anymore. He’s dead.

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larry

She has a hard time getting republicans on her show. They fear her, the truth, and facts. She took that zombie marco rubio to the woodshed a couple of days ago.

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Jay loves to talk about anything, and I mean anything, but the failures of the Democrat controlled Congress and his beloved black socialist, Obama. His silence on their dismal record pretty much tells me that even Jay, the liberal of liberals, the King Keynesian/Progressive of the South, cannot find much to say good about them and if he did, he would trumpeting it from the rooftops. So day after day he pathetically tries to divert attention away from them by attacking conservatives. Same with Cynthia Tucker and the same with the AJC. Nobody is going to change their the voters minds between now and November Jay. Wishing it won’t make it so. Obama is a boat anchor and so are Pelosi and Reid.

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Soothsayer,

Did you leave out some quotes:

<a href=”URL”>Text</a>

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Taxpayer: are you saying that the URL has to have quotes around it. I’ve never had to do that.

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josef:

Isn’t South Carolina supposed to do this ?

Headline: “Tennessee Republican floats secession threat”

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theeyeshaveit: What is truly sad is that these are the same ones who control our country regardless of who we elect.

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No shame in blogging!

Don’t feel like working? Just cut and paste someone else’s work.

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Soothsayer,

I’ve always added the quotes.

Here is a sample with the quotes and here is the same sample without the quotes.

I have no idea if the two versions function the same for all possible URLs or not.

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Michelle :

Honey, he’s not sure but Scout hopes the truth comes out by the next election. Unfortunately, some states are trying to pass legislation reguiring all candidates for the Office of President show their long-form birth certificate. We’ll have to fight that in court so we’ll see how it goes.

Now go walk the dog and quit asking me why we have a fence but the people in Arizona can’t have one on their border.

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How bad is this? I’m running around the house all excited because we have a clould over us!

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They are starting to eat their own………….

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/22/limbaugh-says-fox-news-caved-in-sherrod-coverage/?fbid=k4txQKSCRiZ&hpt=Sbin

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Praise the Lord! I hear thunder in the distance! My yard is “extra crispy.”

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Soothsayer

I find that just ACTING like your are fixing to wash your car sometimes helps.

I tried it earlier, to no avail. They’re on to me I guess.

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jt: you’re right–if we all washed our cars at the same time it would rain.

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Saul…

nah not worth it

To hell with obama, to hell with his minions and followers, and to HELL with citizen of the world crap.

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Scout

“saw humor all the way through bootcamp”

Me too. Navy bootcamp was by no means as cruel as Parris Island, but the physical aspect of it was a joke . The hardest part for me was not to laugh when the guy across the barracks was getting yelled at. Or vice versus when I could see my mate making funny faces as I was getting screamed at.

I DID have to jump into an unheated pool in Orlando during february. all of us recruits had to first shower and get in line to ascend the ladder. It was about 40 degrees and half the recruits were terrified of jumping so you just had to wait there and convulse with shivers. I also got stung in the eyeball by a wasp. I looked like that the “elephant man” for about a week. People would litterally puke when I walked into the chow hall.

Other than that, they controlled me due to lack of sleep. No brain-washing except for the fact that one squid= 10 army=17 airforce=1.5 marines in fighting. I think the equation has changed now that they have let alot of split-tails in.

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SPQR(laissez Faire)

This one’s better live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz5B3oVAUXk&feature=related

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Mick @ 4:46

That’s about as condensed as one can say it.

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All I’m saying is the Navy nor the Marines get a MEDAL for finishing bootcamp.

We get orders and a kick in the ass. (I also got substancial per diem checks).

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Wal-Mart Radio Tags to Track Clothing

While the tags can be removed from clothing and packages, they can’t be turned off, and they are trackable. Some privacy advocates hypothesize that unscrupulous marketers or criminals will be able to drive by consumers’ homes and scan their garbage to discover what they have recently bought.

They also worry that retailers will be able to scan customers who carry new types of personal ID cards as they walk through a store, without their knowledge. Several states, including Washington and New York, have begun issuing enhanced driver’s licenses that contain radio- frequency tags with unique ID numbers, to make border crossings easier for frequent travelers. Some privacy advocates contend that retailers could theoretically scan people with such licenses as they make purchases, combine the info with their credit card data, and then know the person’s identity the next time they stepped into the store.

And some people think Obama is scary… Sheeiitt, Obama can’t hold a candle to Wally’s Empire. Big Brother is coming in the form of a Discount Mass Retailer…

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theeyeshaveit; 3;21;3:334, Yep USAF(SS) All 4 years. Wakkanai was the coldest place
I have ever been.

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Neither does the U.S. Army!

Well, I’m so glad you collected your per diem checks, Is that to make me go all gaga?

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Mick, love this too..although just Page and Plant this time..The best rock Voice and The best guitar player ever.. and this time, oddly enough, some egyptian playing a coffe grinder/bagpipe hybrid ..but it bloodty well werks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gfrsN74Eu8

add in John paul jones, considered one of the finest session musicians ever, and bonzo on drums and you see why nobodycan ever top it//in fact, physical graffiti was rock’s peak..it’s all been downhill since 1975, and thats saying something since I wasn’t even born then..The decline was slow at first, and the evils of disco were , like Jimmy carter, tossed aside during the great Reagan years, but FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF..ok..enough..i’ve got to..ramble on!

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jt “Ya didn’t have to yell at me.
Just funnin.”

As an ex U. S Army combat vet … Sometimes I do take things too personnaly.

Stock up well at the liquor store, and watch at for them Baptists!

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Mick:

True. Its something inate within us to want to live forever ………………

AND ! That is possible ………. if one is ready to go through salvation in Jesus Christ !

Just sayin ……………

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Whatever scout….Isn’t it time to pull your uniform out of the closet, put it on and parade rest in front of the mirror!

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popeye:

Sorry, it won’t fit.

I had just gotten over malaria and was down to 147 lbs. when I was discharged.

I’m 200 now. Maybe some day.

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All I knows is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=1n7pfNNP2EM&feature=related">this worked</a> and
<a href=http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=1n7pfNNP2EM&feature=related>this did not work</a> when I tried it.

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Mick..one last this afternoon..ECO LEDZEP for our friends on the gulf coast..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBMaSIHUatA&feature=related

Down by the seaside. See the boats go sailin’
Can the people hear, What the little fish are sayin’

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SPQR(laissez Faire)

bluegrass zep…incredible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7_T095ja78

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SPQR(laissez Faire)

Finally, zepparella…nothing is sacred anymore-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkaBK_faGWc&feature=related

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Don’t forget:

Absolutely assuming they had enough evidence.

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Zepparella does rock! I also Like Hell’s Belles..la femme ACDC trib band

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Walmart and radio transmitters? Just be glad Walmart doesn’t offer discount dentistry…proctology..just sayin’…

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popeye:

Do you know why there were no Marines in the Europen theater in WW II (i.e., D-Day Normandy) ??

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scout

One last comment before I go; all young males should go through bootcamp. It is a great place to learn teamwork and become a man. Some of these mama’s boys need to break from the nest. Still one of the best experiences I’ve had in my life…semper paratus

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A government culture that has lost its sense of shame

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Mick:

Oh, I agree but it would be tough to do now. Our country is just too big and too fragmented. That only works in a place like Israel.

We have “Balkanized” I fear to the point of no return.

Nothing stands forever.

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Ah but do you know why the one with the URLs with # sign don’t work in your second example where you improperly code the link?

For anyone seriously wondering, its the same reason they don’t work when you just copy and paste. If you don’t properly delineate your URL in quotes you leave it up to Wordpress to figure out where your URL ends and the # sign stumps it.

That crazy coding instruction that Soothspamalot left on here needs to be burned…or at least ignored.

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popeye:

I hear you and was just being my old self. My brother was an Army tanker.

I have great respect for the Army (especially the elite units like the Rangers and Airborne) and my battalion was attached once to the 1st Air Cav. in Nam. They treated us real nice.

I know there were atrocities in Nam as there are in any War. That is truly sad. But I don’t think it was any worse than Korea or WWII. Just my opinion. I never saw any because I served way, way up north and everywhere I went was only NVA (no V.C.) and it was a free fire zone. If it moved, it was fair game.

That said, may I recommend a book I just finished that really might help you bring this full circle. You may not agree with all of it but it’s hard to deny the cold statistics. It’s not long and a very easy read.

“An American Amnesia (How the U.S. Congress Forced the Surrenders of South Vietnam and Cambodia)” by Bruce Herschensohn

Just a suggestion ……….. one veteran to another.

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Scout: “True. Its something inate within us to want to live forever ………………

AND ! That is possible ………. if one is ready to go through salvation in Jesus Christ !

Just sayin ……………”

Right…only those that belong to YOUR cult get to live forever and ever…

Same thing that ALL of the human created cults have in common: A “fear” of death…and a human penned fable/set of rules that it’s cult members need to follow in order to get to live forever…

good luck with that…

I’ll continue to believe that THIS is the ONLY life we all have been handed and it’s better to make good use of the time we have “here”…now… instead of worrying about getting to the “next” life which none of your cult’s leaders can prove to exist.

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SPQR ..join you for our friends on the gulf coast…lest we forget this beauty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejLKrZqFpbg

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Scout,

Are you here? I just finished listening to the entire 43:14 minute video of Ms. Sherrod’s address to the NAACP in March. It was long, but I am by no means exhausted. I am glad that I heard it all, and I am ready to tell you my reasons.

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saul

What good comes out of disparaging others beliefs? Nothing. Let it be…

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theyeshavit:

O.K. Let ‘er rip ……………..

P.S. One thing I was looking for ……….. did she call Republicans who were not in favor of Obama’s health care plan racists at any time during her speech ?

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Mick: “What good comes out of disparaging others beliefs? Nothing. Let it be…”

You’re right…that’s why I see so many who have “kind” words for Muslims here… most of all my good friend Scout.

Remember… my beliefs are against ALL organized religions/cults… not just a select few. An atheist is no better compared to a christian… but a christian is no better compared to a muslim, a jew, a pagan, hindu, etc…. that seems to be a problem among the followers of cults. Bigotry is bred deep inside of them… it’s that “better” factor…. know what I’m sayin’….?

k… time to enjoy my “soulless” life and the dinner me and mine will be heading out for shortly….

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“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth”

Boy…somebody better clue in the Talibangelical MEGA church leaders… those buildings are expensive! So are their Rolex’s and fat bank accounts! (just think of all the GOOD the riches they collect could do)…

k…now I’m REALLY history tonight…

enjoy the humid evening…

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Saul Good :

No ……. you have a valid point there.

Remember, “not everyone who calls Me Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven”

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eyes:

Wow …….. you went to a lot of work! Thanks.

Points:

1) Yes, what she “said” is somewhat mitigated. “Semantics” is a wonderful thing ………..

2) However, I am getting really tired of this “racist” thing (I won’t even go into the proper definition of the word again). She was representing the United States Department of Agriculture (that’s why she was asked to speak there as opposed to someone off the street) and I believe she is obligated to refrain from being “political” !

3) I made many speeches to Lion’s Clubs, etc. in my official capacity as a Federal law enforcement employee.

I could have made many political statements such as the following and I would have been severely disciplined if someone had complained:

“Most agents would much rather conduct protective advances with Republican staff advance personnel as they are much more courteous, respectful, professional, dress appropriately, are on time, won’t “roll you” on game day and the women are much more attractive and pleasant to work with.”

Now that’s just something I made up (…………….. ) but you get my drift.

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Scout, you said i> Remember, “not everyone who calls Me Lord, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven”

That is one of the things that Christians say that really troubles. And I know, we are taught to think that way. It is a kind of religious discrimination. And, in my youth, I used to think that Catholicism was the one and only ticket. When I was in 5th grade, one little girl who had a crush on me told me, “We we grow up, we’re going to get married.” I said, “No, we’re not!” She asked, “Why?” “Because,” I said, “You’re Protestant, and I’m Catholic.”

As Ms. Sherrod said, we have to stop putting obstacles and prejudices in front of us, whether it is race or religion. Why should a Christian be any better than anyone who is a non-Christian? There is nothing inherently superior or qualifying about the accident of birth event called baptism. If I suddenly became a Christian again, would God separate me upon my death from my wife who is a good and lovely woman who happens to be a Buddhist?

I don’t think God would ask to see my ID before letting me enter Heaven, do you?

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eyes:

You have aske the questions of questions and I will be honest.

Remember, Jesus even told the “righteous” religious rulers of His day that they “were of their father the devil” and “were dead in their sins”.

Why? Because they did not “believe” in Him. Now what does “believe” really mean?

Look at it this way. The true church of Jesus Christ is “invisible”. Only God knows …….. that’s why He said “not everyone who calls Me Lord, Lord”, etc.

Being a Christian is NOT:

1) Being baptised at birth (the baby doesn’t know what it is doing and just gets wet)
2) Being a member of any particular denomination, church or order (Catholic or Protestant)
3) Being a child of Chrisitan parents
4) Being a preacher, deacon, priest, Sunday School teacher or whatever
5) Giving millions to the poor
6) Being a “good person” and doing “good works”
7) I could go on and on ………………

Being a Christian “is” havinig a “personal relationship” with Jesus Christ !

How is that accomplished.

1) Realizing you are a sinner.
2) Realizing you are doomed to eternity without God.
3) Asking the Father to forgive you of your sins (not sorry you got caught but truly repentanat)
4) Believing that Jesus died on the cross as YOUR substitute for YOUR sins
5) Askiing Him to come into your heart and be your Saviour
6) Believing that He will do that !

It is a “free gift” but you must reach up and take it !

“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved”

Only God know who are in the fold and who He will have to separate for eternity. That’s hard to understand because we don’t have the mind of God.

If you are not sure of your salvation you can nail it down tonight !

“These things are written that you may KNOW you have eternal life.”

Simply kneel down by your bed or somewhere and ask God to forgive and Jesus to come into your life !

It’s just that simple ………. and the devil wants to confuse you into not believing that.

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“atrocities we committed”

No idea how many they committed…yeah sure. No further comment. out

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Got to run for awhile. Back later ………………….

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I’m not religious either, so pardon my ignorance of the subject, but is the Buddhist faith budha the same fat gold ‘lil b*stard who’s belly I rub for luck at mo-mo-ya, before knocking back a few kirin ??

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Del..just call saul!

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I’m always late on the good threads.
The stupidest statement made over and over in this discussion is “Trade safety for profits.” Everybody trades safety for profit – if they make profits.

OSHA/MSHA could visit Jay Bookman’s desk and write him up for a number of violations if they were in the mood. When the “safety” regulations get so absurd that they can’t be enforced or complied with by those that try, then they defeat the purpose.

Ever notice that every time there is a construction, mining, or industrial accident, the news media always reports “The Acme Company had X OSHA violations in the past X years.” That’s because it is impossible to operate a targeted business without violations.

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SPQR(laissez Faire) :

I brought that up earlier too about Roy being in South Georgia when Obams is here …………… can you believe it?

Notice none of the libs. have commented on it all afternoon/evening ………..

Hee, hee, hee ……………..

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Scout… Obama is giving genital warts a run for their money in popularity this election season

(not work appropriate..unless your self employed , then F it)

R Lee Ermy as…. the Head Elf in santa’s workshop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOq-8kvAV3o&feature=related

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Scout , when did you have malaria? Did you ever have dengue fever. Both spread by mosquitos.

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I thought it was going to kill me, it can be fatal. Severe back pain, chills and fever at the same time, all my joints were locked up, severe muscle pain, and a headache behind the eyes that lasted for weeks.

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BADA BING:

Nope ………. I just had malaria but what you describe sure sounds like dengue. Funny you should mention it ………. check this out !

http://www.aolnews.com/health/article/dengue-fever-cases-reported-in-parts-of-florida/19567294

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RW-(the original) :

I saw that. Politically motivated. Pretty pathetic.

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So Al Gore has killed 50 million people? Or he killed Africa?

Andy’s on the sauce again, and it’s not even sunday yet…

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Damn, the Urinal has a full page welt on their ass from the sting administered by Andrew Breitbart, perhaps some Benadryl and an ice pack would work better than whining, no?

Blogger’s ambition: skewering big media
Who is Andrew Breitbart, the blogger who set off the Shirley Sherrod imbroglio? Profiles and interviews in print and on the Web since his 2009 emergence as a conservative star reveal he’s: -Urinal

They call him a Jew, a wingnut, a Christian, of course, all of the same tactics they use when ever they have no good argument.

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You Whine,

You know you love me now give us another big kiss and a hug. Now isn’t that better.

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Thanks for the new job, Andrew. It just would not have been possible without your help. I just love my new office. Stop by and see me some time, won’t you.

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For those who like to think outside the barrel.

Oil COULD BE a renewable resource after all. This guy is no warmist quack. Haven’t read this yet. Am waiting until the price gets down to Paul Krugman or Obama book level.

“When scientists discovered thermophiles?primitive microorganisms that live in deep seafloor vents and eat hydrocarbons (chemicals like gasoline)?experts assumed the mysterious bugs had little to tell us about ourselves or about the earth’s core. Cornell University Professor Emeritus Gold, however, who for 20 years directed the Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research, here proposes the striking theory that “a full functioning… biosphere, feeding on hydrocarbons, exists deep within the earth, and that a primordial source of hydrocarbons lies even deeper.” Most scientists think the oil we drill for comes from decomposed prehistoric plants. Gold believes it has been there since the earth’s formation, that it supports its own ecosystem far underground and that life there preceded life on the earth’s surface. The “deep hot biosphere” hypothesis would explain the thermophiles, the minerals and the oil Swedish drillers found in 1990 under rock where no one expected them.”

http://www.amazon.com/Deep-Hot-Biosphere-Fossil-Fuels/dp/0387985468/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1280060322&sr=1-2

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josef,

Should you happen to pop you’ll be happy to know that there’s a discussion of race on Fox News Sunday. Newt Gingrich said there’s no place for a white racist, a black racist, a latino racist, a native American racist, or an Asian racist. Howard Dean got in the first three and lumped the last two into an “or any other racist” category. Progress?

sfb,

Or maybe Floundering. They’re only 5 back in the wild card chase though.

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TGT – you forgot to post the link. Here is is:

http://detnews.com/article/20100725/OPINION03/7250303/-Racist–charge-fades-with-use

Sherrod’s not a “racist” anymore – she’s a “classist”, according to the ENTIRE opinion piece you edited.

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TGT:

here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWbmEUIQOCQ

No racism or bigotry here… as well as some treason laced signs to boot.
(not all…but MOST)…

If you’re not a racist or bigot yourself (and I’m not saying you are)…. well then…NEXT time you attend a tea party rally… shout these people down and show them that it’s NOT about Race or Bigotry…

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I know I should probably have other thoughts and questions come to mind when watching the Sunday shows, but is Tim Geitner, in fact, an elf?

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So we’re going to start and end the week with heavily edited and out of context Youtube clips, both designed to paint a group as racist. The funny thing is the first one came from Breitbart and the last one from Saul. B to S if you will or just BS.

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Oh….RW… I guess those were all liberals (planted) at those gatherings… BS?

The fact that all you see in the crowds are white people? I guess those pics are doctored… sure there are a few minorities… yet not nearly what shows a makeup of the percentages of minorities in this nation. Still the republicans (which is what the tea party is…see the Washington Post article from earlier this month)… are/is/am/etc…. a 90+ percentile group of whites only. Why is that? Care to explain?

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Is it just me, or is there somewhat of a lack of contextual comprehension on the right?

SoCo,

Just look at a few of the posts above yours and you’ll see that it isn’t just the right.

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I guess protesting Bush and his invasion of Iraq/etc… were “hate”… sure it pissed people off. People DIED because of his actions…hundreds of thousands of them… 2 million people left Iraq (their homeland) when he invaded… I can justify why people get pissed when people are murdered and called “collateral damage”… yet Obamacare? Dems running the show? How can one equate starting a war against a nation that invaded a country that has nothing to do with 9-11 (though they sold it that way)…and murdered many…with a bill signed that wants to HELP citizens of our nation?

Trillion dollars spent in the first 5 years in Iraq… for what? Yet a trillion dollars to help people obtain health insurance causes people to lash out… with hate…yup..that’s the WRONG path to follow. Helping Americans instead of killing Non-Americans (while getting our own Americans killed and wounded)… very patriotic…

Now go ahead and explain WHY the GOP is STILL over 90% white’s only…and why the tea party has less then 1% of those in attendance at their “rallies” being of color. WHY?

WHAT would cause them to not “sign up” and join those rallies?

Nothing to do with “race” or “bigotry” right?

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SOCO: “The Tea Party could probably find a big ally with the Black Community if they decided to take their blinders off and at least acknowledge there are elements who are co-opting their party to expouse their bigoted beliefs. There are many in the Black Community that agree with the idea that you deserve what you get when you work hard to get it. There are many who would stand side-by-side with the pro-lifers. There are many in the Black community who own businesses that would stand side-by-side with the low tax groups. However, when Blacks have to face a choice to stand with those groups with bigots among their ranks or not stand with them at all, what do you think their choice will be?”

Amen!

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Ms. Tucker’s site is “dead” this morning so I thought I would bring this over here and maybe get some decent, polite, debate going …………… what say ye?

“Ms. Tucker:

I’m not sure if you are aware of this but the first “legalized” slavery recorded in the Colonies involved a slave by the name of John Casor. The court ruled that his master (Anthony Johnson) did in fact own him for life. Mr. Anthony Johnson was himself black and a former slave.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Casor

In addition, American heritage, vol 441, “Selling Poor Steven” states that 3,775 free blacks owned 12,740 black slaves. Frighteningly, the story also outlines how free black women “owned” their husbands, free blacks sold their children into slavery, and absent free black slave owners “leased” their slaves to plantation owners.

Now, my question to you is, if reparations are ever made, what PERCENTAGE will African-Americans have to kick in ?”

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Saul,

I said “whether real or plants” because I have no way of knowing, but that guy sure showed all the hints of being a plant and I doubt even you can deny that first clip was specifically edited to show a different scene than what occurred.

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Evil right wing tea party rally contrasted with sweetness and light left wing rally

After looking at this I have to admit I could’ve and probably would’ve written comment 2 if I’d seen this earlier.

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Hints? How so

I’d start with creases in his brand spanking new NAZI shirt and move on to how his actions were right out of the playbook of the “infiltrate the tea parties” handbook. (not it’s real name, but I’m juggling things and heading out…try Google)

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Saul Good:

You ask some very important questions and I will do my best ……………

1) CONTEXT: First, we must always view events in the context of the time in which they occurred.

a) Try not to isolate slavery in the U.S. Up until about 30 years before our Civil War it was a “WORLWIDE” situation. Great Britain only outlawed it I think about 1830 or so.

b) Another example is the whipping of slaves. That was terrible and of course seems doubly terrible to us today. However, keep in mind that the U.S. Navy “whipped” its sailors as a form of punishment almost up into 1900 before it was outlawed.

c) Assume 100 years for now we have found a way to get rid of all jails. Some other way to handle criminals. Then someone shows a student a picture of a black man behind bars in a “cage”. The student can’t believe we would ever do that to another human being. Just make sure to show the pictues of white people behind bars also.

2) THEOLOGY: The Old Testament is full of “slavery”. It was just a method of the times. Based on the way people had to scrape for their very existance, a lot of people probably preferred that to starvation. Who knows.

In any case, many Bible scholars say that God temporarily “allowed” slavery (and divorce and multiple wives) because of the hardness of man’s heart. Makes sense to me.

Also, please note that these slave owners were “Jewish”.

3) GUILT: Were all slave owners Christian? Of course not. Were are slaves owners Christian who “claimed” to be Christian? Of course not. You have seen me post this before:

“Not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven”

Having said that, and in general, I believe slave owners who were truly Christian treated their slaves better than others. Does that make it right. No. But again, those were the times.

And also, I believe many of those slaves owners sincerely wanted their slaves to receive the assurance of eternal life through Christ. That sounds odd to you I know, but you must understand the times.

Also, keep in mind that many Christian slave owners had inherited their slaves and many of them emancipated them. Others wanted to but under the political pressure of the times didn’t.

Many of the slaves who were emancipated simply turned around and “worked” for their former owners as they had nowhere else to turn.

4) SUMMARY: You may have seen me post this before also but I truly believe it.

There will come a time when abortion will almost be a thing of the past. People will look back and say, “how could those ‘People’ have done that?” Were those ‘People’ evil? No, just very misguided.

I hope I have answered some of your questions.

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RW:
Hints? How so

I’d start with creases in his brand spanking new NAZI shirt and move on to how his actions were right out of the playbook of the “infiltrate the tea parties” handbook. (not it’s real name, but I’m juggling things and heading out…try Google)”

Show me… “Liberal plants” at tea party rallies?

STILL you refuse to answer how the tp’s are 99.9% white’s only…

WHY???

WHAT is it you’re doing to alienate minorities? THAT is not a “liberal plant”…THAT is the truth… WHAT actions are TP’s taking that so piss off or simply alienate African Americans, Hispanics, Muslims, etc…???

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Scout: 2) THEOLOGY: The Old Testament is full of “slavery”. It was just a method of the times. Based on the way people had to scrape for their very existance, a lot of people probably preferred that to starvation. Who knows.”

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So I guess “humans” needed to “re-write” the bible…

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Scout: “Also, please note that these slave owners were “Jewish”.

WTF Scout??? I was talking about CHRISTIAN SLAVE OWNERS HERE IN THE SOUTH!!!

But if you want to get back into “biblical human penned text”… funny I thought it was the JEWS who were enslaved by Egyptians….

Either way…I was talking about this: White, Christian, Slave owners…who raped their “owned women” they owned and beat them… here…in the USA…

Scout, I DO appreciate you taking the time to answer…yet I think you missed my point. I was talking about “white christians” in the 1700’s and 1800’s who owned slaves…who raped them..who kept them from marrying..who bought and sold them as if they were wheat… did ALL of those “christians” go to the place you call “hell”???

And again…as far as YOUR human penned bible… it’s clear that Jews too were “slaves”… I guess I missed the part where it was THEY (jews) who OWNED the slaves… I recall that one of the main parts of “passover” is all about jews being slaves…. yes? no? maybe?

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Saul Good:

1) I thought I had answered that but I will try again.

2) Yes, Jews were slave owners and owned by Egyptians before that. Funny how being slaves themselves once didn’t keep them from owning others later …………..

3) As to whether or not the Bible (O.T. and/or N.T.) was penned by man or God there is not sense in my arguing that with you. As my Dad always said, “he who is convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.”

4) Did all “Christian” slave owners in the South during the times you specified go to heaven. No.
Only the one’s who were truly Christians (and only God knows the heart).

There is only one sin (the unpardonable sin) that cannot be forgiven. That “sin” is the rejection of Christ.

Remember the two thieves on the cross on either side of Jesus. Both were sinners (as am I). But one accepted Him and the other rejected Him.

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RW:
“Please be forewarned that your next outburst will be met with silence for a few hours….otherwise my wife is going start cutting off body parts one at a time until I get my honey do list done.”

Yeah…I know THAT feeling! Still trying to find my left foot from early this AM…

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Aahhh, the goon squad relaunches it’s stupid propaganda kkkampaign of lies, ew-

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. – The White House has quietly launched an effort to confront the political backlash along the Gulf Coast over its handling of the BP oil spill – giving special attention to Florida, the only state in the region President Barack Obama won in 2008 and one he will need again when he runs for re-election in 2012.

Remember, what ever obozo says, the exact opposite is true, just sayin…

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eyes:

I left you an important post at 8:02pm last night ……………..

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Anyway…out for a bit… my garden is wilting and needs some tending to…

See yas lata…

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“Continuing to cater to this theme of minority racism and stressing comments like this – some of which are taken out of context – does not help the country knit itself together.”-HowardDeanAaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiixxxxxxxxxxxbblllllllllllllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

And then-

The Fox News Channel’s handling of the Shirley Sherrod controversy “was absolutely racist,” former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean charged on Sunday……“We’ve got to stop being afraid of Glenn Beck (a Fox News host) and the racist fringe of the Republican Party………I think the Republican Party’s got to stop appealing to its racist fringe.

Yes, we should all join our hand’s with Howard’s………………….neck, just sayin…

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Scout,

Here are some things that just don’t jive with Christians.

1. Why do the vast majority of Christians disdain the Beatitudes in practice? Why are they so un-Christian to other people?
2. Why do tele-evangelists like Jim Bakker get themselves into sex scandals?
3. How does the Rev. Ted Haggard purchase methamphetamine from a gay escort after contacting him for a massage?
4. Why is the Catholic Church fraught with pedophile priests?
5. Why did not Pius XII keep his mouth shut while the Nazi’s were rounding up Jews?
6. As Saul Good mentioned, why did Christians condone slavery in the South?
7. Why are many Christians on the right opposed to abortion but are in favor of capital punishment?
8. Why is that Scott Roeder, the antiabortion extremist who murdered Dr. George Tiller, thinks it is OK to take a life when he is supposedly pro-life?

By the way, my understanding is the Frederich Nietzsche called the beatitude that mentions “the meek shall inherit the earth” was an indication of the slave morality of Christianity. What do make of that?

Sorry, Scout, for the tough questions, but without answers, I see a lot of hypocrisy going on here.

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Scout,

I will check out last night’s 8:02 now.

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Eyes…

“Well, as I recall, Newt got fired from Sunday NFL Countdown after his racist comments about then Philadelphia Eagles QB, Donovan McNabb”.

It was actually El Pigbo (Rush Limbaugh) who resigned after his racist comments on espn.

Just saying!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/02/limbaugh/

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eyes @ 2:09

“For by grace are you saved by faith but not by works lest anyone should boast”

I will not mince words. The Bible clearly teaches that anyone who dies without Christ will spend eternity apart from God.

“Except you believe in Me you are dead in your sins”

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popeye:

Hope all is well.

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popeye,

Got you. Fired is what happened to Jim Zorn. Forced to resign is what happened to Shirley Sherrod. And resigned is what Newt did.

Details, details.

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Scout,

Well, if that 2:15 is what you believe, we are at an impasse. I just have no faith in a faith that believes.that. So, some Amazon tribe which cannot begin to spell “Jesus” let alone read the Bible is doomed? My wife, unless I push her into Catholicism is doomed? Makes me want to become a Buddhist.

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RW

Those videos definitely show a different perspective from the same incident. My question would be, why doesn’t the Tea Partiers put up videos like that to counter public perception? That’s the first time I’ve seen that video. Personally, I don’t think the vast majority of TP attendees are bigoted or racist. I just think that, like that guy, there are some who try to co-opt the movement for their own gain.

If the TP coordinators can show that those who expouse racist and bigoted beliefs are indeed co-optors and not actual TP supporters, there’s no need for them to denounce racism within their ranks. I think the whole racism thing is just another divide and conquer tactic started by those in power to keep said power in their control. A politician’s worst nightmare would be a unified country rallying against the current politicians. A combined Tea Party/NAACP type group unified on government reform would be a scary opposition force for any politician to deal with.

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“Last week, President Barack Obama told a White House press conference that the US had been ‘’surprised, disappointed and angry” about Megrahi being released.”

Now it’s being reported that the White House backed the release of this serpent out of compassionate liberalism. Is there something written somewhere that states that liberals and Democrats have to lie all the time?

“The White House has quietly launched an effort to confront the political backlash along the Gulf Coast over its handling of the BP oil spill – giving special attention to Florida.”

Laughable. The Community Organizer administration has lost well over half the support of the Independent vote which swung the election and now they are on the damage control train to Florida. I really, REALLY believe that those people running the White House have no clue about the typical American. Yeah a storm in the Gulf states is rising alright. You’ll start to feel the winds of the outer feed bands starting this November, and the full force winds will hit in 2012. Please tell us Hillary is going to run in 2012! That would be the perfect storm.

“MOSCOW (AFP) – – Russian beachgoers got a shock when they saw a donkey soaring in the blue skies over the balmy beaches on the Sea of Azov in southern Russia last week, police said on Tuesday. Attached to a parachute, the animal screamed in fear as it circled over heads of holidaymakers sunbathing on a beach in the Cossack village of Golubitskaya in the Krasnodar region.”

Since when did the DNC convention start being held in Russia? Oh wait…..never mind.

“Sen. John Kerry, who has repeatedly voted to raise taxes while in Congress, dodged a whopping six-figure state tax bill on his new multimillion-dollar yacht by mooring her in Newport, R.I. The Isabel – Kerry’s luxe, 76-foot New Zealand-built Friendship sloop with an Edwardian-style, glossy varnished teak interior, two VIP main cabins and a pilothouse fitted with a wet bar and cold wine storage – was designed by Rhode Island boat designer Ted Fontaine.”

From Kerry to Rangel to our Geithner, what is it exactly about liberal Democrats and snubbing taxes?

‘CNN Host Calls for Crackdown on ‘Bloggers’ in Wake of Sherrod Incident: ‘Something’s Going to Have to be Done Legally’

Huh. And these are the same DNC main stream media liberals who said nothing when CB.S. ran a false story about Bush’s National Guard service – up to and including not questioning the authenticity of a document they produced as evidence. Which of course later cost Dan Rather his career. If you look up the definition of hypocrisy, you’ll see an avatar of a donkey.

(smile)

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THE US government secretly advised Scottish ministers it would be “far preferable” to free the Lockerbie bomber than jail him in Libya.

The document, acquired by a well-placed US source, threatens to undermine US President Barack Obama’s claim last week that all Americans were “surprised, disappointed and angry” to learn of Megrahi’s release.

Spitting on the victim’s graves, how disgusting.

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“But it’s not just wealthy individuals who grotesquely manipulate the system for their benefit. It’s the multinational corporations they own and control. In 2009, Exxon Mobil, the most profitable corporation in history made $19 billion in profits and not only paid no federal income tax—they actually received a $156 million refund from the government. In 2005, one out of every four large corporations in the United States paid no federal income taxes while earning $1.1 trillion in revenue.”

Maybe if Corporate personhood meant that corporations had to pay their fair share for being able to participate in a free society, we wouldn’t be in as bad of a deficit problem as we are. Personally, I have no problem paying taxes, as it is a small price to pay to live in the country that I do. Everyone should have to pay their fair share if they wish to live, work, or do business in the US. I think that is only fair.

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The lack of prosecutions for murder of employees is shameful.

They want to cut, start with corporate welfare and ban corporate influence in our corrupt government.

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BTW..koranimals is registered trademark(or will be tommorrow haha).

It’s a good diaper design..when mohammeds bomb laden turban turns blue, the kid needs to be changed.

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A: advocating we cut everyone off the government teets..and cut discretionary social spending by oh..100% and that scares them that the check they depend on for blunt wrappers and taquitos and koranimals brand diapers for their kids, will cease.

I see it’s time for the afternoon sweeping generalizations.

How do you cut everyone off the government teets? I haven’t heard the TP come out against ALL subsidies, government contracts, or anything else that would resemble getting EVERYONE off the government teets, as you say. If you knew anything about the check that you think “they” depend on, you’d know that blunt wrappers can’t be bought using that money, as the so-called “check” has been replaced by the EBT card. The card has limits on where it’s used and what it can be used for.

I’ll believe the true intent of the TP is to cut everyone off the government teet when I see cries against not only those on welfare, but producers of sugar, corn, and military hardware as they also suck from those same teets.

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My question would be, why doesn’t the Tea Partiers put up videos like that to counter public perception?

SoCo,

That full video was from a tea party attendee, so rather than be useful in countering public perception it gets sliced into that first clip and instead gets used to form erroneous public perception. These guys can’t do much more than take and post videos. It’s not like “news” organizations want to present the truth about these guys.

sfb,

Were you by any chance at the Kroger on Steve Reynolds this afternoon? If not then the visual in my head of you has an identical twin.

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SoCo,

I agree but it’s also possible that the blogger is trying to carve out his own little niche here in the tubes has no use for Breitbart or he could just be somebody that was chronicling his experience and was shocked to find his own video being cut up to make his group look bad so the rest of us only found out after the fact the full video existed. One thing is for sure. When Think Progress put out the edited version I heard a whole bunch of leftists touting it, but not a one asking for the full context.

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Take a break and watch this video. If you don’t like it I’ll give you your money back!

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RW

Valid point on the blogger. It doesn’t make your credibility any better if you take someone else’s work and cut it up to push a point that is opposite of what the true and complete work shows.

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Whiner

You don’t believe in any of that stuff anyway, so why lose sleep or b*tch about it? I don’t think that’s gonna make NOAA or anyone else change directions or anything.

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Luckily , Al gore trying to rape a couple masseuses will probably end up saving the us taxpayer TRILLIONS in carbon taxes

F the left

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Guess what…corporations are not the only entities capable of a lack of shame:

White House backed release of Lockerbie bomber Abdel Baset al-Megrahi

THE US government secretly advised Scottish ministers it would be “far preferable” to free the Lockerbie bomber than jail him in Libya.

Correspondence obtained by The Sunday Times reveals the Obama administration considered compassionate release more palatable than locking up Abdel Baset al-Megrahi in a Libyan prison.

The intervention, which has angered US relatives of those who died in the attack, was made by Richard LeBaron, deputy head of the US embassy in London, a week before Megrahi was freed in August last year on grounds that he had terminal cancer.

The document, acquired by a well-placed US source, threatens to undermine US President Barack Obama’s claim last week that all Americans were “surprised, disappointed and angry” to learn of Megrahi’s release.
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Obama: Liar. Terrorist coddler.

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Southern Comfort

Don’t take the bait on Andy’s name-calling.

An insult is like strong drink or poison—it can only affect you if you accept it.

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You know darn well that “Obozo” is just another way of saying “Idiot Messiah”.

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Besides which, Strip Searcher, with me posting the facts on the Urinal’s web site, they can say that they at least have some credibility, just sayin…

It ain’t like kookman lends any.

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Everyone KNOWS that, so it doesn’t have to be repeaed[sic] ad nauseum.

Who granted you the authority to speak for everyone?

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correction then..

EVERYONE who is ANYONE knows that, so it doesn’t have to be repeated ad nauseum.

I think Mullato smurf is a new creation but it will catch on

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I hereby grant SPQR unlimited power of attorney, retroactive to the day before absentee ballots were to be submitted in the last presidential election.

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Southern Comfort

As long as you’re having fun….

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Were you by any chance at the Kroger on Steve Reynolds this afternoon? If not then the visual in my head of you has an identical twin.

RW, I don’t know if this is a riff on some earlier work upthread, but no.

Although how you would have a visual in your head (Mets AND dirty-hippie political bumper stickers?) is anyone’s guess.

If anyone’s interested, we had a pleasant G-Braves outing this afternoon. Found some seats in the shade, watched them lose to the Louisville Bats. Ain’t that America?

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Andy’s whining is, as usual, nothing more than that.

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Strip Searcher- It’s not going to dawn on you, is it?

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dB/RW

The Braves will take the NL so it really doesn’t matter.

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Don’t forget the Reds and the Cardinals.

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The Braves will take the NL so it really doesn’t matter.

well, in my experience, the Braves take the NL East whenever the Mets appear to pose some kind of threat…since the Mets appear to be headed into sub- .500 oblivion, maybe you have something to fret about.

Seriously, I have to chuckle when we last chatted about this topic–the braves offensive stats were Teh Suxxor at the time, and I was wondering if they’d be able to pick things up. What a difference two months make.

later, all. Off to watch a little Cards-Cubs, looks like, on espn…

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It’s not going to dawn on you, is it?

In your world, I’m surprised there is even a word such as dawn. You’re so dark and pessimistic about everything. I guess it will not dawn on me, but I’m sure you’re itching and aching to tell me what I’ve done or not done anyway…

HD

I’m doing the Tomahawk Chop until the final out of their final game. I’m just hoping the final out will be to wrap up a World Series for Bobby.

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World Series …. We don’t have another David Justice so Im keeping my figers crossed!!!

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SoCo,

I just cruised upthread to see what the commotion was and I’ve got say I think you’re a little off base here. You yourself stated that Andy didn’t believe in global warming then told him to go do something about the problem. If he believes, as I do, that it’s a scam then alerting people to stories like the one that says a large part of the data is based on temperature rises in places that aren’t well monitored IS doing something about the problem and might be the only course of action he could take. It’s not like somebody is running a driveway paving scam and you can go out and bust them yourself. If this is a scam it’s a scam being perpetrated worldwide by people in the highest levels of power. Alerting people in your sphere of contacts to conflicting data is about the only tool of an individual.

Lot’s of us have mentioned over the years that some very good information that Andy brings to the blog gets lost because his style leads people to attack the messenger rather than deal with the message. This is something I find very well worth looking into and I’m glad he brought that story here.

In Greenland, for instance, two of the hottest spots, showing a startling five-degree rise in temperatures, have no weather stations at all.

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Del:

If you’re out there check this out !!!

Headline Article: “The White House responded swiftly and sharply to publication Sunday evening of more than 91,000 secret documents painting a bleak picture of the Afghanistan war, calling the leak “irresponsible” and saying that the source – the whistleblower website WikiLeaks — “opposes U.S. policy in Afghanistan.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40204.html#ixzz0ukDcivqe

It’s quite interesting to see how LIBERALS squawk when the shoe is on the other foot. They sure didn’t seem to mind when Ellsberg released the PENTAGON PAPERS ON THE VIETNAM WAR now did they ???

WHAT HYPOCRISY !

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To put it another way, Democrats have been undertaking a vast fiscal policy experiment, blowing out the federal balance sheet in an effort to show that a country can spend and tax its way to prosperity. Look no further than the numbers in the White House’s own budget review for the unhappy lab results.

I suppose you don’t like this one either, huh, Strip Searcher?

Should I go door to door on behalf of the federal deficit?

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Saul good ————- In response to some of your posted questions on the previous page;

Are you really ignorant of the Christian Abolitionist movement in the US, that worked actively, in many different ways – for decades, to end slavery? I think you purposely ignore the many great works that Christian movement did ! Atheists, like yourself, seem to be so willing to remain blind to all the good works that have been accomplished by Good Christians, even to this day. Just as you’re conveniently blind to the evil deeds Atheism has foisted on this world. True believers in Christ have always been outnumbered by nonbelievers, not just in the world or this country, but even in the church – Just as Scout answered you.
Saul, why do you call yourself good ? Your continual rants directed exclusively toward Christians are obviously full of hate. A rant about Hinduism would project some semblance of balance in your antichrist posts, for a change. Now there’s a religion that was specifically, man-formulated, by Arian/Persians to enslave and subjugate an entire conquered sub-continent (India). All for the sole purpose of keeping them in passive & docile servitude {by way of caste system that’s still, in effect, practiced today}.

And speaking of smearing entire groups of people because of the actions of a few, consider this;
In 1860 there were 27 million whites in the USA, according to the census of that year. 8 million of those lived in the Southern States and of those 8 million, there were 385,000 who owned 1 or more slaves. That’s 4.8% of the Southern whites who owned slaves or 1.4% of the entire country’s white population who owned slaves.

Also your observation about the Tea Party not reflecting the racial diversity % of the whole population is a biased charge, masquerading as a ‘question’. When did you ever ask that about any other protest movement or expect any other protest group to reflect exact racial demographics?

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stuck on a real b*stard of a file here so taking a break..

MOVE OVER, OBAMA: Britain Plans to Decentralize National Health Care…

Most basic treatments to be rationed…

REID: ‘We’re Going To Have a Public Option’…

in that order, too..could dems be more out of step? it’s like watching special olympics sychronized swimming

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SoCo:

I don’t know how long you’ve been around these parts, but if you think Andy’s here to be sociable, think again. That’s one of the many things, I like about Andy.

The AJC’s liberal views need balance/contradiction. That’s why he’s here.

He could be posting at a conservative site, but then that would be like preaching to the choir. What would be the point in that?

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Hope y’all enjoyed a great weekend. Taps

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Del: Agree totally

Mr. _ B: Centrist to you maybe ……….. for us conservatives he is the most liberal President ever elected and a very, very dangerous one at that.

“AND SO HE BOWED”

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Ellsberg wasn’t prosecuted for releasing “Top Secret” information so don’t count on anything here ……….. the so-called “public has a right to know” rule.

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Somebody needs to check their handle. There seems to be an extra Del around here tonight.

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He is using the Goldman-Clinton team.

He is a corrupt corporatist from the corrupt senate.

Should be about Afghanistan next week.

It’s another loser.

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As far as I’m concerned, it’s yet another example of President Obama’s naivete.

“The period of time covered in these documents (January 2004-December 2009) is before the President announced his new strategy. Some of the disconcerting things reported are exactly why the President ordered a three month policy review and a change in strategy.”

The official added: “[I]t’s worth noting that WikiLeaks is not an objective news outlet but rather an organization that opposes U.S. policy in Afghanistan.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40204.html#ixzz0ulZ6SNSf

The Wikis are likely the same people who were pushing Obama into Afghanistan (the right war) during his campaign, only to turn on him once he answered their call.

Never trust a left-winger.

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Never trust a left-winger.

When you don’t have time to check it’s often helpful to listen to them though. That way you can go the other way until you have the time to check things out for yourself.

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josef,

I left you a message along those lines this morning. Newt expanded the race picture and even got Howard Dean to partly play along.

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In case you check in here…got the post on the American Indian woman and rape prosecutions. This is a major issue for those interested in “Indian things” but you won’t find one in a hundred who are so “concerned” about racism in the country who’d have the vaguest notion of what you’re talking about.

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RW
I got that. Being EOI, I found it most interesting to see Ms Sherrod and Newt on the same page there. Like I keep saying, I’ve got my own issues here, but “among the races” and “between the races” is a distinction that most just don’t get.

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josef,

You realize we have a couple of regulars here that would search an endless stream of dictionaries to find one that “proves” that among and between mean the same thing if I said they were different, but I understand what you were getting at the other. I’m also enough of an EOI to get a little schadenfreude over watching you not get anybody to bite.

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Somewhere a sentence is missing a “day”…..

(IHB)

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josef:

LOL !!

I’m going out on a night ambush ……….. check in tomorrow.

And don’t forget our President ………… “And so he bowed”

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Pombo wants to tell ME a bedtimes story, so I’d better go listen…who knows? This may be one of those things he’ll remember me fondly by when I’m dead and gone… g’night

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Whiner

I’d agree with you on the spending. It’s been way out of control for a while, and has only gotten worse recently. I think there’s a Congressman that had a plan for cutting the budget, but I don’t think it will see the light of day because neither party wants to cut what they think is important. They’d rather grandstand instead of doing what’s right for the country.

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I was always taught that, at some point, action speaks louder than words. If that’s his calling in life, to be a preacher, so be it. I just prefer a little action at times instead of just words. That’s just me personally. On preaching to the choir, his message resonates more with conservatives than with liberals. He could also give independents here reason to think differently, but I don’t think he stands a rats chance in hell of changing the minds of any liberals here. Anything he posts will be discounted either for the source of the information or who posted it. It’s a lose-lose situation, but I’ll give him an A for effort.

See y’all in a day or two. It’s getting close to busy time on the job. Laters!!

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Democrats and libruls never had any sense of shame to lose.

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Put enough restrictions on corporations and they’ll take their business elsewhere. Capital goes where it’s welcome and stays where it’s treated well.

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So does business and jobs.

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