‘A corporate culture that has lost its sense of shame’
So says Dana Milbank at The Washington Post:
If Don Blankenship had any sense of shame, he’d crawl into a mine and hide.
As CEO of Massey Energy, he has presided over a coal company that had thousands of violations in recent years, leading up to the April explosion that killed 29 of his miners. The company now faces a federal criminal investigation into what the government has called negligent and reckless practices.
But Blankenship must have no sense of shame, because he visited the National Press Club last week to complain about “knee-jerk political reactions” to mine deaths and to demand that the Obama administration lighten regulations on his dirty and dangerous company. “We need to let businesses function as businesses,” an indignant Blankenship proclaimed. “Corporate business is what built America, in my opinion, and we need to let it thrive by, in a sense, leaving it alone.”
The CEO was asked what he could have done to prevent the deadly explosion. “I probably should’ve sued MSHA” — that’s the federal Mine Safety and Health Administration — “rather than waiting” until now, he said. In the future, he added, “you’ll see not only coal companies but many companies resist the efforts of EPA and others that are impeding their ability to pursue their careers, or their happiness.”
Poor CEO Blankenship. That mean federal government is not allowing him to pursue his happiness, just because his employees are dead….
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SPQR(laissez Faire)
July 24th, 2010
8:34 pm
From Breaking Bad..the only non sh*tty show on tv since the first 5 years of Frasier
http://www.bettercallsaul.com/
godless heathen
July 24th, 2010
8:46 pm
I’m always late on the good threads.
The stupidest statement made over and over in this discussion is “Trade safety for profits.” Everybody trades safety for profit – if they make profits.
OSHA/MSHA could visit Jay Bookman’s desk and write him up for a number of violations if they were in the mood. When the “safety” regulations get so absurd that they can’t be enforced or complied with by those that try, then they defeat the purpose.
Ever notice that every time there is a construction, mining, or industrial accident, the news media always reports “The Acme Company had X OSHA violations in the past X years.” That’s because it is impossible to operate a targeted business without violations.
SPQR(laissez Faire)
July 24th, 2010
9:40 pm
Roy Boy Barnes has strategically placed himself at the opposite end of the state from where lord Hussein the unpopular will be , august 2nd
Royboy to Obama..Don’t Come Around Here no more! (I sense a theme here..I posted this about other dems LAST weekend)
Tom Petty…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0JvF9vpqx8&feature=avmsc2
Scout
July 24th, 2010
10:32 pm
SPQR(laissez Faire) :
I brought that up earlier too about Roy being in South Georgia when Obams is here …………… can you believe it?
Notice none of the libs. have commented on it all afternoon/evening ………..
Hee, hee, hee ……………..
Scout
July 24th, 2010
10:36 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG00pby2bq0&feature=PlayList&p=23B2887F7FC10C8E&index=33
SPQR(laissez Faire)
July 24th, 2010
10:56 pm
Scout… Obama is giving genital warts a run for their money in popularity this election season
(not work appropriate..unless your self employed , then F it)
R Lee Ermy as…. the Head Elf in santa’s workshop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOq-8kvAV3o&feature=related
Scout
July 24th, 2010
11:20 pm
Del:
I may just be a little slap happy after a long day but this struck me as pretty funny. Stay with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pShS4t_6EE&feature=related
BADA BING
July 24th, 2010
11:25 pm
Scout , when did you have malaria? Did you ever have dengue fever. Both spread by mosquitos.
BADA BING
July 24th, 2010
11:26 pm
I was in Peru last year and a month later I came down with what I believe to be dengue. It was reported to be in Northern Peru when I was there.
BADA BING
July 24th, 2010
11:31 pm
I thought it was going to kill me, it can be fatal. Severe back pain, chills and fever at the same time, all my joints were locked up, severe muscle pain, and a headache behind the eyes that lasted for weeks.
RW-(the original)
July 24th, 2010
11:31 pm
Guess what happened while we were distracted this week, boys and girls. The justice department wrapped up their investigation into the “mother of all scandals”, which of course we conservatives told you was an utter non-story, and won’t be filing any charges in the US attorney firing episode.
As noted at Power Line, you may have missed it because after daily front page coverage on page 1 of the “scandal” while it was being ginned up this development was a blurb on page 5.
Scout
July 24th, 2010
11:35 pm
BADA BING:
Nope ………. I just had malaria but what you describe sure sounds like dengue. Funny you should mention it ………. check this out !
http://www.aolnews.com/health/article/dengue-fever-cases-reported-in-parts-of-florida/19567294
RW-(the original)
July 24th, 2010
11:36 pm
Oops, those pages were WaPo pages. I have no idea if the AJC has noted this.
If sfb happens to pop in, good job getting your Fine Fellows of Flushing back in compliance with the NAP.
Scout
July 24th, 2010
11:36 pm
RW-(the original) :
I saw that. Politically motivated. Pretty pathetic.
Scout
July 24th, 2010
11:37 pm
Del:
It’s just taking a step !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP_itS4sEvI&feature=related
Rightwing Troll
July 25th, 2010
12:18 am
So Al Gore has killed 50 million people? Or he killed Africa?
Andy’s on the sauce again, and it’s not even sunday yet…
Rightwing Troll
July 25th, 2010
12:20 am
So, to sumarize:
Conservitards in FLA say no to offshore drilling, that’s OK.
Otherwise it’s all the environmentalists fault that BP was drilling where they were drilling when Obama cause that spill to happen.
The things you learn here… smh…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 25th, 2010
7:28 am
Damn, the Urinal has a full page welt on their ass from the sting administered by Andrew Breitbart, perhaps some Benadryl and an ice pack would work better than whining, no?
Blogger’s ambition: skewering big media
Who is Andrew Breitbart, the blogger who set off the Shirley Sherrod imbroglio? Profiles and interviews in print and on the Web since his 2009 emergence as a conservative star reveal he’s: -Urinal
They call him a Jew, a wingnut, a Christian, of course, all of the same tactics they use when ever they have no good argument.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 25th, 2010
7:31 am
Hitler and Stalin always had good excuses at the ready to diminish the millions of people they killed, hole.
Blame it on the little black children, eh?
Urinal
July 25th, 2010
7:36 am
You Whine,
You know you love me now give us another big kiss and a hug. Now isn’t that better.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 25th, 2010
7:38 am
Our politics increasingly resemble a cold civil war, and the Sherrod story was like the right’s first successful A-bomb test. Accusations of racism have long been the left’s, and only the left’s, most explosive weapon. No more. -KyleWingnut, Urinal
KAAAAAAABOOOOOOMMMM, just sayin…
Sherrod
July 25th, 2010
7:50 am
Thanks for the new job, Andrew. It just would not have been possible without your help. I just love my new office. Stop by and see me some time, won’t you.
Moderate Line
July 25th, 2010
8:07 am
Soothsayer
July 24th, 2010
12:15 pm
Not So Casual: “According to a June 2008 article in Kiplinger Magazine, the United States has enough oil reserves to power the nation for upwards of three centuries. Soothsayer, that would be 300 years, or did I post that earlier?”
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We don’t have enough to power the nation for 3 days. That’s why we import two thirds of our oil from around the World.
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The main reason we import oil is because it is cheaper to import oil than to drill hear. Remember the Texas oil boom when the savings and loan went bust. When world prices go up it is suddenly cheaper to drill for oil in the Unuted States.
Now, do we have enough oil for 300 years. I don’t know. But 300 years is not that long if you consider that is about double the like of our country.
jt
July 25th, 2010
8:27 am
For those who like to think outside the barrel.
Oil COULD BE a renewable resource after all. This guy is no warmist quack. Haven’t read this yet. Am waiting until the price gets down to Paul Krugman or Obama book level.
“When scientists discovered thermophiles?primitive microorganisms that live in deep seafloor vents and eat hydrocarbons (chemicals like gasoline)?experts assumed the mysterious bugs had little to tell us about ourselves or about the earth’s core. Cornell University Professor Emeritus Gold, however, who for 20 years directed the Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research, here proposes the striking theory that “a full functioning… biosphere, feeding on hydrocarbons, exists deep within the earth, and that a primordial source of hydrocarbons lies even deeper.” Most scientists think the oil we drill for comes from decomposed prehistoric plants. Gold believes it has been there since the earth’s formation, that it supports its own ecosystem far underground and that life there preceded life on the earth’s surface. The “deep hot biosphere” hypothesis would explain the thermophiles, the minerals and the oil Swedish drillers found in 1990 under rock where no one expected them.”
http://www.amazon.com/Deep-Hot-Biosphere-Fossil-Fuels/dp/0387985468/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1280060322&sr=1-2
stands for decibels
July 25th, 2010
8:34 am
mornin’.
good job getting your Fine Fellows of Flushing back in compliance with the NAP.
Add a “Fantastically” to that apt descriptor and we can officially rate the Mets as 4F.
RW-(the original)
July 25th, 2010
9:13 am
josef,
Should you happen to pop you’ll be happy to know that there’s a discussion of race on Fox News Sunday. Newt Gingrich said there’s no place for a white racist, a black racist, a latino racist, a native American racist, or an Asian racist. Howard Dean got in the first three and lumped the last two into an “or any other racist” category. Progress?
sfb,
Or maybe Floundering. They’re only 5 back in the wild card chase though.
TGT
July 25th, 2010
9:42 am
While the Sherrod incident was unfolding, we also learned that a group of liberal journalists banded together in 2008 to help get Obama elected. (More to come about the integrity of the press.)
One tactic suggested was to publicly accuse their conservative peers of being racists to distract from the coverage of racially charged remarks made by Obama’s pastor.
The strategy was never applied, but that it was offered reveals an understanding of what a potent political weapon the charge is, and how cavalierly some people are willing to use it.
Late last year, when Obama was just starting to lose his rabbit’s foot, former President Jimmy Carter declared that attacks on the president’s policies were rooted in the racism of Americans who couldn’t deal with having a black man in the White House.
Carter is detached enough from reality to actually believe what he said. Others know better, but perpetuate his theory to insulate Obama from the harsh criticism that comes with the job — the damage they’re doing be damned.
The tea party, because it is conservative and opposes Obama’s agenda, is the new favorite target. I’ve visited several of the group’s meetings locally and have never seen a hint of racial impropriety. And yet the accusations keep flying.
The obvious danger here is using the charge of racism as a tool to leverage political advantage makes it useless for its original purpose.
The NAACP should know better. It has the most to lose if “racist” becomes just another “yo’ mama” taunt.
Doggone/GA
July 25th, 2010
9:51 am
TGT – you forgot to post the link. Here is is:
http://detnews.com/article/20100725/OPINION03/7250303/-Racist–charge-fades-with-use
Sherrod’s not a “racist” anymore – she’s a “classist”, according to the ENTIRE opinion piece you edited.
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
10:27 am
“I’ve visited several of the group’s meetings locally and have never seen a hint of racial impropriety. And yet the accusations keep flying.”
O’Really?
Need I post the pictures again of the Tea Party Rally held in DC?
Anyway…thanks for the copy/paste… next time please include your source(link)… it would be GREAT to know such a thing.
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
10:35 am
TGT:
here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWbmEUIQOCQ
No racism or bigotry here… as well as some treason laced signs to boot.
(not all…but MOST)…
If you’re not a racist or bigot yourself (and I’m not saying you are)…. well then…NEXT time you attend a tea party rally… shout these people down and show them that it’s NOT about Race or Bigotry…
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
10:58 am
Doggone…thanks for posting the link… funny how Mr. Nolan Finley never ever ever EVER saw one single racist sign at any of the tea and crumpet gatherings that he went to… maybe he was too busy among the 99.9% of the “white” people who attend those rallies…. like pretty much ALL Tea and Crumpet parties…not too many minorities represented at them… just a fraction of a percent at best.
RW-(the original)
July 25th, 2010
11:15 am
I know I should probably have other thoughts and questions come to mind when watching the Sunday shows, but is Tim Geitner, in fact, an elf?
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So we’re going to start and end the week with heavily edited and out of context Youtube clips, both designed to paint a group as racist. The funny thing is the first one came from Breitbart and the last one from Saul. B to S if you will or just BS.
TGT
July 25th, 2010
11:19 am
Saul @ 10:35: Really? That’s the best examples of “racism” you have?! More than half of the images had nothing to do with race. “Sign the pledge to stop the hate?!” You want to see some hate go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6b1VOAATNk
And posting 8 paragraphs of a column makes REAL hard to find on the internet doesn’t it?
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
11:20 am
Oh….RW… I guess those were all liberals (planted) at those gatherings… BS?
The fact that all you see in the crowds are white people? I guess those pics are doctored… sure there are a few minorities… yet not nearly what shows a makeup of the percentages of minorities in this nation. Still the republicans (which is what the tea party is…see the Washington Post article from earlier this month)… are/is/am/etc…. a 90+ percentile group of whites only. Why is that? Care to explain?
Southern Comfort
July 25th, 2010
11:20 am
Sherrod is said to be mulling the deal. Meanwhile, no word from the NAACP on how its “I’m sorry” letter to the tea party movement is coming along. This mess started with a spurious and politically calculated accusation from the civil rights organization that the tea party is a hate group driven by racism.
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20100725/OPINION03/7250303/-Racist–charge-fades-with-use#ixzz0uhuqYqtx
Is it just me, or is there somewhat of a lack of contextual comprehension on the right? How did a resolution asking the Tea Party to repudiate racists in their ranks become a charge that the Tea Party is a hate group?
It’s people like this writer who flames the flames of ignorance and keep all the drama going. There’s nothing wrong with being an opinion writer and giving your opinion on things. However, your opinion would carry more weight with those outside your party’s circle if you based that opinion on fact. This whole race thing has been blown way out of proportion.
The Tea Party could probably find a big ally with the Black Community if they decided to take their blinders off and at least acknowledge there are elements who are co-opting their party to expouse their bigoted beliefs. There are many in the Black Community that agree with the idea that you deserve what you get when you work hard to get it. There are many who would stand side-by-side with the pro-lifers. There are many in the Black community who own businesses that would stand side-by-side with the low tax groups. However, when Blacks have to face a choice to stand with those groups with bigots among their ranks or not stand with them at all, what do you think their choice will be?
RW-(the original)
July 25th, 2010
11:25 am
Is it just me, or is there somewhat of a lack of contextual comprehension on the right?
SoCo,
Just look at a few of the posts above yours and you’ll see that it isn’t just the right.
Southern Comfort
July 25th, 2010
11:26 am
RW
Thanks. It must be a by-product of feasting on sound bites and edited clips. Where’s the FDA when you need them?
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
11:28 am
I guess protesting Bush and his invasion of Iraq/etc… were “hate”… sure it pissed people off. People DIED because of his actions…hundreds of thousands of them… 2 million people left Iraq (their homeland) when he invaded… I can justify why people get pissed when people are murdered and called “collateral damage”… yet Obamacare? Dems running the show? How can one equate starting a war against a nation that invaded a country that has nothing to do with 9-11 (though they sold it that way)…and murdered many…with a bill signed that wants to HELP citizens of our nation?
Trillion dollars spent in the first 5 years in Iraq… for what? Yet a trillion dollars to help people obtain health insurance causes people to lash out… with hate…yup..that’s the WRONG path to follow. Helping Americans instead of killing Non-Americans (while getting our own Americans killed and wounded)… very patriotic…
Now go ahead and explain WHY the GOP is STILL over 90% white’s only…and why the tea party has less then 1% of those in attendance at their “rallies” being of color. WHY?
WHAT would cause them to not “sign up” and join those rallies?
Nothing to do with “race” or “bigotry” right?
jt
July 25th, 2010
11:31 am
It’s a racism hate-fest.
The federalies love this and they do racism best.
As for racism, these same federalies can tell ya about Irishmen, mixed with Redmen, and tempered with just enough Anglo for arrogance. They hate us.
We don’t do coercion…………………………..well.
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
11:33 am
SOCO: “The Tea Party could probably find a big ally with the Black Community if they decided to take their blinders off and at least acknowledge there are elements who are co-opting their party to expouse their bigoted beliefs. There are many in the Black Community that agree with the idea that you deserve what you get when you work hard to get it. There are many who would stand side-by-side with the pro-lifers. There are many in the Black community who own businesses that would stand side-by-side with the low tax groups. However, when Blacks have to face a choice to stand with those groups with bigots among their ranks or not stand with them at all, what do you think their choice will be?”
Amen!
RW-(the original)
July 25th, 2010
11:48 am
Soco,
If you get a chance look at these two videos
Even when they do try to repudiate those in their midst, whether real or plants, it just gets reported as them being a bunch of racist kooks.
Scout
July 25th, 2010
11:50 am
Ms. Tucker’s site is “dead” this morning so I thought I would bring this over here and maybe get some decent, polite, debate going …………… what say ye?
“Ms. Tucker:
I’m not sure if you are aware of this but the first “legalized” slavery recorded in the Colonies involved a slave by the name of John Casor. The court ruled that his master (Anthony Johnson) did in fact own him for life. Mr. Anthony Johnson was himself black and a former slave.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Casor
In addition, American heritage, vol 441, “Selling Poor Steven” states that 3,775 free blacks owned 12,740 black slaves. Frighteningly, the story also outlines how free black women “owned” their husbands, free blacks sold their children into slavery, and absent free black slave owners “leased” their slaves to plantation owners.
Now, my question to you is, if reparations are ever made, what PERCENTAGE will African-Americans have to kick in ?”
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
12:00 pm
RW…”plants”???
NOTHING in that second video shows that he was a “plant” by the dems… was he chased off? Yuppp!
That’s GREAT! I applaud that… I do.
Yet an overwhelming majority of the Republicans (Libertarians and Tea/Crumpet crowd in “name only” post Bush) are white. All the signs I posted above…please show me how THOSE people were “chased away” from the Tea rallies… you can’t. WHY? Because that was a ONE person who stood up for what is right, just and noble… yet I also saw few gathered around the camera who asked the man to leave. Same ol’ thing… one little microcosm in the movement… but nothing to show how the “movement” in itself is not made up of a majority of whites only… and NOTHING to show that the ass$$$$$ was a “plant” by the dems….
RW-(the original)
July 25th, 2010
12:05 pm
Saul,
I said “whether real or plants” because I have no way of knowing, but that guy sure showed all the hints of being a plant and I doubt even you can deny that first clip was specifically edited to show a different scene than what occurred.
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
12:08 pm
Scout…SERIOUS question here (truly)…
Why were black slaves taught about Christianity…but NOT taught how to read or write? They could not even read the bible…but the were taken from their homeland where they had other beliefs…. and they were “forced” to obey the rules and laws of Christianity. Of course…they had to have their “own” churches so they could not “mingle” in church with whites…they could not marry before your god… I mean…WHY????????!!!!!!!!!
A GREAT and truthful answer to that question would help me “understand” things… because I’ve lived a life thus far NOT understanding how “chistians” treated OTHER “christians who were African slaves” in such a manner… White Christian Slave “Owners” saw it as being important that they convert their slaves to their religion…yet they still “owned” them as slaves…beat them, raped them…split up their families…so HOW can you allow that to simply “slip away” and say that it was “okay”??? That it happened for a reason…
Do you say that these people were NOT christian? Those who owned and beat/raped slaves? Do YOU believe they went to a heaven or a hell? Seriously…I’d love to know your view on this.
Thanks,
d-
RW-(the original)
July 25th, 2010
12:20 pm
Evil right wing tea party rally contrasted with sweetness and light left wing rally
After looking at this I have to admit I could’ve and probably would’ve written comment 2 if I’d seen this earlier.
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
12:20 pm
RW: “but that guy sure showed all the hints of being a plant”
Hints? How so… truly? I see no “hints” in anything he did or said that showed he was a “plant”…
Though I AM GLAD to see that he WAS in fact questioned, chased off, and told that he did not belong. Not a plant…but a GOOD THING that others stood up to him and told him over and over that he did not belong, that they didn’t want him around, and that he left.
RW-(the original)
July 25th, 2010
12:33 pm
Hints? How so
I’d start with creases in his brand spanking new NAZI shirt and move on to how his actions were right out of the playbook of the “infiltrate the tea parties” handbook. (not it’s real name, but I’m juggling things and heading out…try Google)
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 25th, 2010
12:43 pm
In the really important news of the day, congratulations go out to Whitey Herzog, Andre Dawson and Doug Harvey, on being inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame today. Each one is a very deserving addition.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100724&content_id=12579878&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
Scout
July 25th, 2010
12:48 pm
Saul Good:
You ask some very important questions and I will do my best ……………
1) CONTEXT: First, we must always view events in the context of the time in which they occurred.
a) Try not to isolate slavery in the U.S. Up until about 30 years before our Civil War it was a “WORLWIDE” situation. Great Britain only outlawed it I think about 1830 or so.
b) Another example is the whipping of slaves. That was terrible and of course seems doubly terrible to us today. However, keep in mind that the U.S. Navy “whipped” its sailors as a form of punishment almost up into 1900 before it was outlawed.
c) Assume 100 years for now we have found a way to get rid of all jails. Some other way to handle criminals. Then someone shows a student a picture of a black man behind bars in a “cage”. The student can’t believe we would ever do that to another human being. Just make sure to show the pictues of white people behind bars also.
2) THEOLOGY: The Old Testament is full of “slavery”. It was just a method of the times. Based on the way people had to scrape for their very existance, a lot of people probably preferred that to starvation. Who knows.
In any case, many Bible scholars say that God temporarily “allowed” slavery (and divorce and multiple wives) because of the hardness of man’s heart. Makes sense to me.
Also, please note that these slave owners were “Jewish”.
3) GUILT: Were all slave owners Christian? Of course not. Were are slaves owners Christian who “claimed” to be Christian? Of course not. You have seen me post this before:
“Not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven”
Having said that, and in general, I believe slave owners who were truly Christian treated their slaves better than others. Does that make it right. No. But again, those were the times.
And also, I believe many of those slaves owners sincerely wanted their slaves to receive the assurance of eternal life through Christ. That sounds odd to you I know, but you must understand the times.
Also, keep in mind that many Christian slave owners had inherited their slaves and many of them emancipated them. Others wanted to but under the political pressure of the times didn’t.
Many of the slaves who were emancipated simply turned around and “worked” for their former owners as they had nowhere else to turn.
4) SUMMARY: You may have seen me post this before also but I truly believe it.
There will come a time when abortion will almost be a thing of the past. People will look back and say, “how could those ‘People’ have done that?” Were those ‘People’ evil? No, just very misguided.
I hope I have answered some of your questions.
RW-(the original)
July 25th, 2010
12:50 pm
Congratulations go out to Whitey
And now in the edited version Hillbilly D becomes the designated racist.
j/k and I concur with the unedited version.
Saul,
There’s a link to Gateway Pundit in the link at 11:48 and from there you can get to reams of information.
See y’all a little later!
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
12:57 pm
RW:
Hints? How so
I’d start with creases in his brand spanking new NAZI shirt and move on to how his actions were right out of the playbook of the “infiltrate the tea parties” handbook. (not it’s real name, but I’m juggling things and heading out…try Google)”
Show me… “Liberal plants” at tea party rallies?
STILL you refuse to answer how the tp’s are 99.9% white’s only…
WHY???
WHAT is it you’re doing to alienate minorities? THAT is not a “liberal plant”…THAT is the truth… WHAT actions are TP’s taking that so piss off or simply alienate African Americans, Hispanics, Muslims, etc…???
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 25th, 2010
1:03 pm
RW @ 12:50
Do I get a book deal and a round on the talking head shows? I could sure used the $$.
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
1:05 pm
Scout: 2) THEOLOGY: The Old Testament is full of “slavery”. It was just a method of the times. Based on the way people had to scrape for their very existance, a lot of people probably preferred that to starvation. Who knows.”
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So I guess “humans” needed to “re-write” the bible…
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Scout: “Also, please note that these slave owners were “Jewish”.
WTF Scout??? I was talking about CHRISTIAN SLAVE OWNERS HERE IN THE SOUTH!!!
But if you want to get back into “biblical human penned text”… funny I thought it was the JEWS who were enslaved by Egyptians….
Either way…I was talking about this: White, Christian, Slave owners…who raped their “owned women” they owned and beat them… here…in the USA…
Scout, I DO appreciate you taking the time to answer…yet I think you missed my point. I was talking about “white christians” in the 1700’s and 1800’s who owned slaves…who raped them..who kept them from marrying..who bought and sold them as if they were wheat… did ALL of those “christians” go to the place you call “hell”???
And again…as far as YOUR human penned bible… it’s clear that Jews too were “slaves”… I guess I missed the part where it was THEY (jews) who OWNED the slaves… I recall that one of the main parts of “passover” is all about jews being slaves…. yes? no? maybe?
RW-(the original)
July 25th, 2010
1:09 pm
STILL you refuse to answer how the tp’s are 99.9% white’s only…
WHY???
Saul,
I have no way to answer your question because I have no idea if what you say is accurate. Based on the rest of your theatrics you probably pulled the numbers out of thin air, but I haven’t been to any tea party rallies myself and I know better than to trust hyperpartisans.
Please be forewarned that your next outburst will be met with silence for a few hours….otherwise my wife is going start cutting off body parts one at a time until I get my honey do list done.
Scout
July 25th, 2010
1:18 pm
Saul Good:
1) I thought I had answered that but I will try again.
2) Yes, Jews were slave owners and owned by Egyptians before that. Funny how being slaves themselves once didn’t keep them from owning others later …………..
3) As to whether or not the Bible (O.T. and/or N.T.) was penned by man or God there is not sense in my arguing that with you. As my Dad always said, “he who is convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.”
4) Did all “Christian” slave owners in the South during the times you specified go to heaven. No.
Only the one’s who were truly Christians (and only God knows the heart).
There is only one sin (the unpardonable sin) that cannot be forgiven. That “sin” is the rejection of Christ.
Remember the two thieves on the cross on either side of Jesus. Both were sinners (as am I). But one accepted Him and the other rejected Him.
theyeshaveit
July 25th, 2010
1:35 pm
RW (original) originaly said, Should you happen to pop you’ll be happy to know that there’s a discussion of race on Fox News Sunday. Newt Gingrich said there’s no place for a white racist, a black racist, a latino racist, a native American racist, or an Asian racist. Howard Dean got in the first three and lumped the last two into an “or any other racist” category. Progress?
Well, as I recall, Newt got fired from Sunday NFL Countdown after his racist comments about then Philadelphia Eagles QB, Donovan McNabb. Considering Newt’s remarks about the recently buried Steinbrenner, it would appear that old Newt is light years away from any moment of awakening regarding racism. Newt is as much a qualified spokesman for the ills of racism as would be Beelzebb on the topic of the Beatitudes.
Just in case you have had a few senior moments, here is the top ten of Newt’s racist comments.
http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
1:37 pm
RW:
“Please be forewarned that your next outburst will be met with silence for a few hours….otherwise my wife is going start cutting off body parts one at a time until I get my honey do list done.”
Yeah…I know THAT feeling! Still trying to find my left foot from early this AM…
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
1:45 pm
Scout: 4) “Did all “Christian” slave owners in the South during the times you specified go to heaven. No.
Only the one’s who were truly Christians (and only God knows the heart).”
So it was OKAY to own slaves, beat and rape them…and then get into the Country Club? If they were “true christians”…. ME? I would think there is NO way to make up for those sins… Just HOW does one go about making up for “owning” and raping another human? Praying for forgiveness and allegiance to the religion/cult? Is it that simple? What about those who were raped, murdered, beaten, and simply degraded as other humans… is “accepting christ into your heart” and asking for forgiveness enough? How about giving those you enslaved everything you own… your house…your tools…your land…etc… even that to me would not equate what they had to live with day in and out…
Morals… yeah…we atheists have them as well… I know enough to know that “morally” it was WRONG to own slaves…to go to church…to pray to a god of one’s making…to simply “erase” all they did wrong to others…simply by “accepting christ” as one’s savior…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 25th, 2010
1:46 pm
Aahhh, the goon squad relaunches it’s stupid propaganda kkkampaign of lies, ew-
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. – The White House has quietly launched an effort to confront the political backlash along the Gulf Coast over its handling of the BP oil spill – giving special attention to Florida, the only state in the region President Barack Obama won in 2008 and one he will need again when he runs for re-election in 2012.
Remember, what ever obozo says, the exact opposite is true, just sayin…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 25th, 2010
1:48 pm
How can you tell when obozo is lying, you ask?
His mouth is open, just sayin…
Scout
July 25th, 2010
1:49 pm
eyes:
I left you an important post at 8:02pm last night ……………..
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
1:50 pm
Scout: “Yes, Jews were slave owners and owned by Egyptians before that. Funny how being slaves themselves once didn’t keep them from owning others later …………..”
Really now…are jews and christians that different? Simply different “sects” of the same cult… just different versions of the same story… none of which can be proven beyond a “reasonable doubt”…
Scout…what if ALL you base your beliefs upon turns out to be WRONG? I’m willing to take my chance that it is… you?
Saul Good
July 25th, 2010
1:51 pm
Anyway…out for a bit… my garden is wilting and needs some tending to…
See yas lata…
Scout
July 25th, 2010
1:57 pm
Saul:
One more time ……… at this point you are just being argumentative.
1) Not every slaveholder murdered, beat, raped their slaves, etc. Like it or not they were expensive property under the law and the Constitution.
2) Murdering, beating, raping one’s slaves …………. or mudering, robbing, assaulting, raping the general population today ……………. in all probablility means one is NOT a Christian regardless of what they say as the Bible says that those involved in a continuous sinful lifestyle are not.
3) Simply “owning” slaves (or having indentured servants) at that time in the world’s history does not automatically equate to NOT being a Christian. Many other religious people of all pursuasions also owned slaves.
4) Finally, there is only one “unpardonable” sin ……….. previously described.
I have answered your questions. Thanks for your input.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 25th, 2010
1:58 pm
“Continuing to cater to this theme of minority racism and stressing comments like this – some of which are taken out of context – does not help the country knit itself together.”-HowardDeanAaaaaaaaaaaaeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiixxxxxxxxxxxbblllllllllllllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
And then-
The Fox News Channel’s handling of the Shirley Sherrod controversy “was absolutely racist,” former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean charged on Sunday……“We’ve got to stop being afraid of Glenn Beck (a Fox News host) and the racist fringe of the Republican Party………I think the Republican Party’s got to stop appealing to its racist fringe.
Yes, we should all join our hand’s with Howard’s………………….neck, just sayin…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...
July 25th, 2010
1:59 pm
Hey, my Dean Scream went off the page, to……where?
Planet Moonbat, maybe?
theyeshaveit
July 25th, 2010
2:02 pm
Scout,
Here are some things that just don’t jive with Christians.
1. Why do the vast majority of Christians disdain the Beatitudes in practice? Why are they so un-Christian to other people?
2. Why do tele-evangelists like Jim Bakker get themselves into sex scandals?
3. How does the Rev. Ted Haggard purchase methamphetamine from a gay escort after contacting him for a massage?
4. Why is the Catholic Church fraught with pedophile priests?
5. Why did not Pius XII keep his mouth shut while the Nazi’s were rounding up Jews?
6. As Saul Good mentioned, why did Christians condone slavery in the South?
7. Why are many Christians on the right opposed to abortion but are in favor of capital punishment?
8. Why is that Scott Roeder, the antiabortion extremist who murdered Dr. George Tiller, thinks it is OK to take a life when he is supposedly pro-life?
By the way, my understanding is the Frederich Nietzsche called the beatitude that mentions “the meek shall inherit the earth” was an indication of the slave morality of Christianity. What do make of that?
Sorry, Scout, for the tough questions, but without answers, I see a lot of hypocrisy going on here.
Scout
July 25th, 2010
2:03 pm
Saul Good:
One final comment re: your 1:50 ………..
“Scout…what if ALL you base your beliefs upon turns out to be WRONG? I’m willing to take my chance that it is… you?”
If you think your above statement through you have it exactly backwards !!!
You are an atheist: You believe when we die we go into oblivion.
I am a Christian: I believe when a person dies they go to heaven or hell for eternity.
NOW:
If you are right and I am wrong ………….. we both go into oblivion and we both “win”.
If I am right and you are wrong ………….. I go to to heaven and you …………………. ?
SO WHO IS TAKING THE GREATER CHANCE HERE ?
theyeshaveit
July 25th, 2010
2:03 pm
Scout,
I will check out last night’s 8:02 now.
theyeshaveit
July 25th, 2010
2:09 pm
Scout,
Oh, yes, I had read your 8:02 from last night yesterday. I get the “personal relationship with Jesus”. Many Christians take that approach, I know. But let’s say that I am Christian and my wife is Buddhist (she is). If lightening were to strike us this moment, would Jesus/God accept only me into Heaven? Personally, I feel that my wife is a far better person than I am. Is it a fair God that would accept me – who by an accident of birth and geography was exposed to Jesus – but not my lovely and good wife?
popeye
July 25th, 2010
2:10 pm
Eyes…
“Well, as I recall, Newt got fired from Sunday NFL Countdown after his racist comments about then Philadelphia Eagles QB, Donovan McNabb”.
It was actually El Pigbo (Rush Limbaugh) who resigned after his racist comments on espn.
Just saying!
http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/10/02/limbaugh/
theyeshaveit
July 25th, 2010
2:12 pm
Scout,
There is no “not” in my number 5 above re Pius XII.
Scout
July 25th, 2010
2:15 pm
eyes @ 2:09
“For by grace are you saved by faith but not by works lest anyone should boast”
I will not mince words. The Bible clearly teaches that anyone who dies without Christ will spend eternity apart from God.
“Except you believe in Me you are dead in your sins”
popeye
July 25th, 2010
2:16 pm
Whenever the banter turns to religion it’s time for me to take a vacation.
But, I’ll leave all you believers with this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
Scout
July 25th, 2010
2:17 pm
popeye:
Hope all is well.
Scout
July 25th, 2010
2:18 pm
popeye:
I like a lot of George’s humor (especially in the early years). He’s dead now so he knows for sure.
theyeshaveit
July 25th, 2010
2:18 pm
popeye,
Got you. Fired is what happened to Jim Zorn. Forced to resign is what happened to Shirley Sherrod. And resigned is what Newt did.
Details, details.
theyeshaveit
July 25th, 2010
2:21 pm
Scout, popeye,
I caught George Carlin live many years ago.
theyeshaveit
July 25th, 2010
2:25 pm
Scout,
Well, if that 2:15 is what you believe, we are at an impasse. I just have no faith in a faith that believes.that. So, some Amazon tribe which cannot begin to spell “Jesus” let alone read the Bible is doomed? My wife, unless I push her into Catholicism is doomed? Makes me want to become a Buddhist.
Scout
July 25th, 2010
2:37 pm
eyes:
1) I hear you ………. but consider that Jesus told us to “go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every person”. Why would He tell us that if they didn’t need to hear it ?
2) When it comes to a “true Christian” think of it this way.
There is a problem today of many Vietnam era men (if you can call them that) who now claim to be “Vietnam Veterans”. The wear the uniform, they show up at events, they debate the issues, they wear the medals, they march in the parades, some of them are even getting veterans benefits and hospitalization.
Are they veterans? NO! Why? Because they were “never sworn in”. They are counterfeit.
Are all “Christians” Christians? NO Why? Because they never trusted Christ alone. They are couinterfeit.
3) If you are sincerely seeking the truth I ask you to try this:
Read the Book of John in the N.T. just like you would a letter from a friend.
Ask God in sincereity to show you the truth.
I believe He will.
Isn’t it worth a try?
I have to run for several hours to babysit my granddaughter. I will check in later tonight ………….
God bless.
Southern Comfort
July 25th, 2010
2:50 pm
RW
Those videos definitely show a different perspective from the same incident. My question would be, why doesn’t the Tea Partiers put up videos like that to counter public perception? That’s the first time I’ve seen that video. Personally, I don’t think the vast majority of TP attendees are bigoted or racist. I just think that, like that guy, there are some who try to co-opt the movement for their own gain.
If the TP coordinators can show that those who expouse racist and bigoted beliefs are indeed co-optors and not actual TP supporters, there’s no need for them to denounce racism within their ranks. I think the whole racism thing is just another divide and conquer tactic started by those in power to keep said power in their control. A politician’s worst nightmare would be a unified country rallying against the current politicians. A combined Tea Party/NAACP type group unified on government reform would be a scary opposition force for any politician to deal with.
Hillbilly Deluxe
July 25th, 2010
2:57 pm
A politician’s worst nightmare would be a unified country rallying against the current politicians.
Amen to that.
Carpet Kitten
July 25th, 2010
3:20 pm
“Last week, President Barack Obama told a White House press conference that the US had been ‘’surprised, disappointed and angry” about Megrahi being released.”
Now it’s being reported that the White House backed the release of this serpent out of compassionate liberalism. Is there something written somewhere that states that liberals and Democrats have to lie all the time?
“The White House has quietly launched an effort to confront the political backlash along the Gulf Coast over its handling of the BP oil spill – giving special attention to Florida.”
Laughable. The Community Organizer administration has lost well over half the support of the Independent vote which swung the election and now they are on the damage control train to Florida. I really, REALLY believe that those people running the White House have no clue about the typical American. Yeah a storm in the Gulf states is rising alright. You’ll start to feel the winds of the outer feed bands starting this November, and the full force winds will hit in 2012. Please tell us Hillary is going to run in 2012! That would be the perfect storm.
“MOSCOW (AFP) – – Russian beachgoers got a shock when they saw a donkey soaring in the blue skies over the balmy beaches on the Sea of Azov in southern Russia last week, police said on Tuesday. Attached to a parachute, the animal screamed in fear as it circled over heads of holidaymakers sunbathing on a beach in the Cossack village of Golubitskaya in the Krasnodar region.”
Since when did the DNC convention start being held in Russia? Oh wait…..never mind.
“Sen. John Kerry, who has repeatedly voted to raise taxes while in Congress, dodged a whopping six-figure state tax bill on his new multimillion-dollar yacht by mooring her in Newport, R.I. The Isabel – Kerry’s luxe, 76-foot New Zealand-built Friendship sloop with an Edwardian-style, glossy varnished teak interior, two VIP main cabins and a pilothouse fitted with a wet bar and cold wine storage – was designed by Rhode Island boat designer Ted Fontaine.”
From Kerry to Rangel to our Geithner, what is it exactly about liberal Democrats and snubbing taxes?
‘CNN Host Calls for Crackdown on ‘Bloggers’ in Wake of Sherrod Incident: ‘Something’s Going to Have to be Done Legally’
Huh. And these are the same DNC main stream media liberals who said nothing when CB.S. ran a false story about Bush’s National Guard service – up to and including not questioning the authenticity of a document they produced as evidence. Which of course later cost Dan Rather his career. If you look up the definition of hypocrisy, you’ll see an avatar of a donkey.
(smile)
Southern Comfort
July 25th, 2010
3:42 pm
Nah…
What’s laughable is that people think by voting Republicans in office and removing Democrats, their fortunes will suddenly change for the better. Only in your dreams. The average American has not had representation in Washington D.C. in probably well over 30 years. What average American currently holds office there? They’re all wealthy and influenced by money. If you think that Republicans will suddenly do something for the average person that will benefit them, I have beachfront property in Arkansas for sale at a dirt cheap price.
It all boils down to money. Politicians are going to help those who line their pockets. The Tea Party groups had the right ideas, but I feel their ideals were corrupted as soon as they allowed politicans to co-opt their movement. Average people have no representation in DC. The sooner people realize it, the sooner we can remove career politicans and that wealthy ruling party and put real average people in office.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin....
July 25th, 2010
3:44 pm
THE US government secretly advised Scottish ministers it would be “far preferable” to free the Lockerbie bomber than jail him in Libya.
The document, acquired by a well-placed US source, threatens to undermine US President Barack Obama’s claim last week that all Americans were “surprised, disappointed and angry” to learn of Megrahi’s release.
Spitting on the victim’s graves, how disgusting.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin....
July 25th, 2010
3:47 pm
LAS VEGAS — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, seeking to console liberal activists who were disappointed by the final version of the national health care law, assured them that there would eventually be a public option.
“We’re going to have a public option,” Reid said. “It’s just a question of when.”
Not if we vote all the socialists out, we won’t, just sayin…
Southern Comfort
July 25th, 2010
4:18 pm
“But it’s not just wealthy individuals who grotesquely manipulate the system for their benefit. It’s the multinational corporations they own and control. In 2009, Exxon Mobil, the most profitable corporation in history made $19 billion in profits and not only paid no federal income tax—they actually received a $156 million refund from the government. In 2005, one out of every four large corporations in the United States paid no federal income taxes while earning $1.1 trillion in revenue.”
Maybe if Corporate personhood meant that corporations had to pay their fair share for being able to participate in a free society, we wouldn’t be in as bad of a deficit problem as we are. Personally, I have no problem paying taxes, as it is a small price to pay to live in the country that I do. Everyone should have to pay their fair share if they wish to live, work, or do business in the US. I think that is only fair.
Pogo
July 25th, 2010
4:28 pm
England is de-centralizing their medical system because they realize that the government cannot run their medical care system. I guess Obama and his acolytes are a day late and a few hundreds of billions of dollars short. What a moron. What a bunch of morons that elected the moron.
getalife
July 25th, 2010
4:38 pm
The lack of prosecutions for murder of employees is shameful.
They want to cut, start with corporate welfare and ban corporate influence in our corrupt government.
SPQR(laissez Faire)
July 25th, 2010
4:44 pm
saul asks two questions , rhetorically, but I will answer them..
1. what if ALL you base your beliefs upon turns out to be WRONG?
A: Then you would NOT be a leftist DB..don’t hold your breath.
2.WHAT is it you’re doing to alienate minorities? THAT is not a “liberal plant”…THAT is the truth… WHAT actions are TP’s taking that so piss off or simply alienate African Americans, Hispanics, Muslims, etc…???
A: advocating we cut everyone off the government teets..and cut discretionary social spending by oh..100% and that scares them that the check they depend on for blunt wrappers and taquitos and koranimals brand diapers for their kids, will cease.
SPQR(laissez Faire)
July 25th, 2010
4:47 pm
BTW..koranimals is registered trademark(or will be tommorrow haha).
It’s a good diaper design..when mohammeds bomb laden turban turns blue, the kid needs to be changed.
SPQR(laissez Faire)
July 25th, 2010
4:49 pm
Madame speaker, I agree with pogo 100%..
Southern Comfort
July 25th, 2010
5:00 pm
A: advocating we cut everyone off the government teets..and cut discretionary social spending by oh..100% and that scares them that the check they depend on for blunt wrappers and taquitos and koranimals brand diapers for their kids, will cease.
I see it’s time for the afternoon sweeping generalizations.
How do you cut everyone off the government teets? I haven’t heard the TP come out against ALL subsidies, government contracts, or anything else that would resemble getting EVERYONE off the government teets, as you say. If you knew anything about the check that you think “they” depend on, you’d know that blunt wrappers can’t be bought using that money, as the so-called “check” has been replaced by the EBT card. The card has limits on where it’s used and what it can be used for.
I’ll believe the true intent of the TP is to cut everyone off the government teet when I see cries against not only those on welfare, but producers of sugar, corn, and military hardware as they also suck from those same teets.
Southern Comfort
July 25th, 2010
5:01 pm
They want to cut, start with corporate welfare and ban corporate influence in our corrupt government.
You have my vote on that!!!
RW-(the original)
July 25th, 2010
5:09 pm
My question would be, why doesn’t the Tea Partiers put up videos like that to counter public perception?
SoCo,
That full video was from a tea party attendee, so rather than be useful in countering public perception it gets sliced into that first clip and instead gets used to form erroneous public perception. These guys can’t do much more than take and post videos. It’s not like “news” organizations want to present the truth about these guys.
sfb,
Were you by any chance at the Kroger on Steve Reynolds this afternoon? If not then the visual in my head of you has an identical twin.
Southern Comfort
July 25th, 2010
5:16 pm
RW
Breitbart could use his power of persuasion to post things like that. Instead of demonizing the opposition, they’d go a lot farther to garner more support by showing that they are not what the media portrays them to be. Maybe people don’t think like I do, but I tend to take the negative crap and flush it regardless of who’s doing wrong. Just as I tend to not cast votes for politicians who only campaign by painting their competitor as negative.
RW-(the original)
July 25th, 2010
5:28 pm
SoCo,
I agree but it’s also possible that the blogger is trying to carve out his own little niche here in the tubes has no use for Breitbart or he could just be somebody that was chronicling his experience and was shocked to find his own video being cut up to make his group look bad so the rest of us only found out after the fact the full video existed. One thing is for sure. When Think Progress put out the edited version I heard a whole bunch of leftists touting it, but not a one asking for the full context.
jconservative
July 25th, 2010
5:33 pm
‘A corporate culture that has lost its sense of shame’
Actually I would say this applies to the companies thst took the Reagan tax cuts, you remember the tax cuts that would trickle down and create more US jobs, and used those tax savings to ship US jobs overseas.
Those companies have permanently ruined the industrial base of the USA.
But the companies are really doing well financially. Record profits.
Soothsayer
July 25th, 2010
5:39 pm
Take a break and watch this video. If you don’t like it I’ll give you your money back!