‘A corporate culture that has lost its sense of shame’

So says Dana Milbank at The Washington Post:

If Don Blankenship had any sense of shame, he’d crawl into a mine and hide.

As CEO of Massey Energy, he has presided over a coal company that had thousands of violations in recent years, leading up to the April explosion that killed 29 of his miners. The company now faces a federal criminal investigation into what the government has called negligent and reckless practices.

But Blankenship must have no sense of shame, because he visited the National Press Club last week to complain about “knee-jerk political reactions” to mine deaths and to demand that the Obama administration lighten regulations on his dirty and dangerous company. “We need to let businesses function as businesses,” an indignant Blankenship proclaimed. “Corporate business is what built America, in my opinion, and we need to let it thrive by, in a sense, leaving it alone.”

The CEO was asked what he could have done to prevent the deadly explosion. “I probably should’ve sued MSHA” — that’s the federal Mine Safety and Health Administration — “rather than waiting” until now, he said. In the future, he added, “you’ll see not only coal companies but many companies resist the efforts of EPA and others that are impeding their ability to pursue their careers, or their happiness.”

Poor CEO Blankenship. That mean federal government is not allowing him to pursue his happiness, just because his employees are dead….

489 comments Add your comment

mike

July 24th, 2010
9:04 am

LOL.When will we see any shame from our media? The latest Gallup poll shows the media is the third least trusted institution in America, far lower than corporations.

Of course, partisan hacks like Jay and Milbank have no interest in reporting such a story, as their contemptible form of intellectually dishonest garbage is a large reason why Americans hold the media in such contempt.

egene

July 24th, 2010
9:17 am

Business and industry leaders and their managers really know nothing regardless of what education or credential they posess. Did the parents of todays corporate leaders teach them anything as a child about fairness, honesty, responsibility and the intangible affects of cheating? I’ve run businesses and closed those businesses for the sole reason of not being profitable without some level of cheating.

Normal

July 24th, 2010
9:20 am

I wonder what corporate partisan hacks sound like?

larry

July 24th, 2010
9:23 am

What we need is OSHA along with other regulatory agencies to visit these companies , without notice, and inspect and fine these companies that do not put safety ahead of profits. These regulatory agencies need to help prevent accidents and deaths of employees because the corporate world has proven they wil not do it themselves.

And i am speaking from experience.

TaxPayer

July 24th, 2010
9:24 am

Not to worry, Jay. The Republicans will apologize for his unhappiness at the hands of the Democrats and promise to get rid of those nasty regulations just as soon as they’re back in power. Perhaps they’ll even throw in an extra tax cut to cover pain and suffering for poor old Blankenship.

Normal

July 24th, 2010
9:25 am

All companies who do not show a good safety record and who continually put human life secondary to profit, first,should be made to produce a reserve to provide for the families of the men lost, much like BP’s and, failing that, be nationalized and the owners prosecuted….

egene

July 24th, 2010
9:26 am

and yes Mike, that would include media. Media outlets should be pretty upset of what some in that industry put forth. If I ran a news organization I would never publish or republish any piece by person or entity that was revealed to be of non factual basis. If more stood on this pricipal then those who peddle that would become relegated to tabloid status. It used to be we knew the difference.

barking frog

July 24th, 2010
9:29 am

You cannot lose a sense of shame you never had. Profits are always put ahead of safety.
@larry; did you ever see an OSHA inspector?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

July 24th, 2010
9:32 am

socialist hack kookman has never acknowledged that the environmental terrorist war on DDT has caused 50,000,000 deaths of women and children, and I’m thinking that, on a “dirty and dangerous” scale of one to ten, coal mining is gonna come in at the bottom, just sayin…

And not to pour salt any old wounds or anything but all this lib whining about nuclear, gas pipelines, drilling for oil, blah, blah, blah, you know, maybe we coulda moved on from coal mining decades ago. But no, they wouldn’t have it.

So which came first, the filthy Blackenship or the egg?

Own up to YOUR disasters, moonbat.

TGT

July 24th, 2010
9:38 am

Yeah, lets have the shameless in congress, such as Charlie Rangel, tell us how to run the coal industry.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

July 24th, 2010
9:40 am

Nuclear energy production in the United States has never killed a soul and is ten thousand times “cleaner” than coal fired power generation, so which one do the “environmentally friendly” liberals stick us with?

When it came to mountaintop removal mining, Senator Byrd in the 90s, he was right there in the trenches with the mining industry.

Klanners for Big Koal, just sayin….

larry

July 24th, 2010
9:42 am

Yes , twice. But only after a death and after an employee cut his hand completely off. The company i used to work for was found to have workplace safety violations, but it recieved only a slap on the wrist.

The death happened because of a jig that had been written up by employees for three years and management (including the CEO)was alerted fell on a man that was just walking by it. Killed him instantly.

The hand got cut off because the employee was only on his second day on the job and was operating a saw without a guard. He was not trained properly.

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
9:43 am

larry

July 24th, 2010
9:45 am

There is no such thing as clean coal, but the problem with nuclear is the waste. As in, where do you put it?

Scout

July 24th, 2010
9:47 am

Jay:

VERY interesting points you bring up this morning.

Well, let’s just see now :

1) Massey Energy/Don Blankenship has “supposedly” been responsible for the deaths of 29 coal miners. The criminal/civil investigations are still out but he will eventually be held accountable in some manner.

2) The United States Government (specifically the United States Congress) was responsible for the deaths of 58.195 military personnel during the Vietnam debacle. No one was ever held accountable and what they did was criminal and sickening.

Oh, perfidious nation !

P.S. As you know, my Dad was a coal miner at one time.

larry

July 24th, 2010
9:50 am

My great-grandpa was a coal miner, in the hills of Kentucky. He only lived to be 40. Died of black lung disease. Left behind a wife with three kids all under the age of 13.

Scout

July 24th, 2010
9:57 am

Jay:

BTW on this “Top 10″ list from CNN, miners didn’t even make the top 10. Anyone else you are going after today or are you just being politcal?

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/26/pf/jobs_jeopardy/

jt

July 24th, 2010
9:58 am

Not to mention the benevolent federal government SUBSIDIZING deep-well drilling. The deeper ya go, the MORE tax-free money.

Yea, I’m sure MORE money for incompetent federalies will solve everything.

We NEED a federal Mine Safety MINE SAFETY office. Or maybe a GINOURMIS Office of Mineral Management Personnel Management to watch and inspect the Enourmis Office of Mineral Manangement.

Scout

July 24th, 2010
9:59 am

I didn’t think they could ever go any lower than what they did during Nam but :

Headline: “USA Congress Receives Lowest Rating Ever in Gallop Poll”

Scout

July 24th, 2010
10:00 am

jt:

How about a “Mining Czar” ?

Kamchak

July 24th, 2010
10:00 am

Just remember perfidious nation spelled backwards is noitan suoidifrep.

jt

July 24th, 2010
10:02 am

Scout

There is already one.

They probably need an office to Manage all of the Czars. (they’re probably all busy surfing porn anyhoo.)

david wayne osedach

July 24th, 2010
10:03 am

Shame? They never had any to begin with!

Mr Right

July 24th, 2010
10:05 am

They probably need an office to Manage all of the Czars. (they’re probably all busy surfing porn anyhoo.)

Yea, we need a Czar to oversee the Czars!!

Moderate Line

July 24th, 2010
10:06 am

Jay – You just complained over and over about how Shirley Sherrod’s word were taking out of context. Where is the context for what Don Blankenship?

Why do you rush to believe Dana Milbank before checking the context? Give us the context and let us judge for ourselves.

I can’t pass judgement until I see the context.

Not so casual observer

July 24th, 2010
10:09 am

So Jay,

The Federal Mine Safety and Health Administration issued thousands of violations (Your words Jay) and apparently did nothing to actually improve conditions in the mines. Why do you not hold the feet of GOVERNMENT to the fire?

Oh, you are a liberal, big government guy, Jay!

PS. I have been away but did you ever read the 60 Minutes interview with your hero, George Soros in which he bragged about his work to steal from fellow Jews during WWII at the ripe old age of 14? Seems to have formed his life’s work wouldn’t you say?

jt

July 24th, 2010
10:10 am

Yea, we need a Czar to oversee the Czars!!

Get Rangel in there.

He’ll be “retiring” soon anyhow.

Make sure this office is staffed with plenty of HAAAAAARVID lawyers, and everything will be alright.

Not so casual observer

July 24th, 2010
10:18 am

Deep well drilling was forced upon the oil companies by the environmental lobby and their cohorts in the Democrat Party.

There is plenty of oil for the next few hundred years within the boundaries of the US without ever going off shore. But again, the environmental movement blocks drilling and refineries to maintain our dependence on foreign oil.

And one more thought. We have been using oil as a primary energy source for a little over one hundred years. In that 100+ years we have gone from being earth-bound to the Moon and back, established an orbiting space station, sent probes into deep space and yet the short-sighted politicians and others wish us to believe oil will still be our primary energy source well into the future?

Must be some left over “the world is flat” thinkers!

Scout

July 24th, 2010
10:24 am

Not so casual observer :

You got it right ……….. “liberal”.

stands for decibels

July 24th, 2010
10:24 am

Where is the context for what Don Blankenship?

Why do you rush to believe Dana Milbank before checking the context?

If only there were search engines where one could verify this very public figure’s previous statements on these issues!

Scout

July 24th, 2010
10:25 am

jt:

We need a “Thug Czar” !

Not so casual observer

July 24th, 2010
10:26 am

I like the idea of a Czar Czar!

Rev Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dorn, George Soros, Franklin Raines, Rahm Emanuel, Tony Rezco, and Bill Clinton – any one of those would seem perfect for Obama’s choice since character and love of country are not prerequisites.

PS. Put Obama or Obama’s into Microsoft Word and do a spell check. What an interesting alternative I was given.

Moderate Line

July 24th, 2010
10:27 am

Mining Deaths under Bill Clinton 38.75 per year
Mining Deaths under George Bush 32.75 per year

The numbers are hard to dispute.

The general trend is down. However, leave to the left not to let a tragedy got to waste to exploit.

Scout

July 24th, 2010
10:30 am

Jay:

I really don’t think this is “off topic” :

“The presidential cabinet with the highest percentage of private sector experience was that of Dwight Eisenhower at around 58%. The lowest — until Obama — was Kennedy at about 28%. The average ran between 35% and 40% … until, as I said, Obama. Care to guess what percentage of Obama’s cabinet has prior private sector experience? Try 7%.

So … now you might have a better idea why Obama can’t quite figure out how to grow jobs in the private sector. He’s a big-government president with a bit-government cabinet. When your cabinet is made up almost wholly of people with nothing but government experience with a sprinkling of academia behind them you have to know that the private sector is going to not only get short shrift .. but it’s going to be pretty much abused or ignored. To Obama and his advisors the private sector exists to support and fund the federal government … and little more.”

Boortz

Scout

July 24th, 2010
10:31 am

Moderate Line :

EXACTLY !

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
10:32 am

1)“Deep well drilling was forced upon the oil companies by the environmental lobby and their cohorts in the Democrat Party.”

2) “There is plenty of oil for the next few hundred years within the boundaries of the US without ever going off shore.”

Can you post anything that backs up or “proves” these two statements?

stands for decibels

July 24th, 2010
10:42 am

Shame? They never had any to begin with!

Of course not. Guys like Blankenship think that God put them on this planet to steal and rob and cheat.

And I guess I can deal with shameless robber baron hucksters like Blankenship being always among us in one form or another. That’s the nature of this Republic. Some of them pay some sort of price for their misdeeds; most won’t.

But, back to the point of the post: point taken, Dana. (and by proxy I guess, Jay.) It’s kind of a “well duh” kinda point but it doesn’t hurt to be reminded of the moral depravity on display here.

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
10:43 am

The oil companies aren’t drilling in deep waters because they’ve been locked out of drilling ANWR, they’re drilling there because there is oil there and because they make a lot of money selling oil. Oil companies exist to suck oil out of the ground and turn it into cash selling it to us. Opening up ANWR to oil companies would just mean they’d be able to make more money for longer. Opening up ANWR also wouldn’t have any effect on deep water offshore drilling.

Most of the world’s easy oil has already been tapped, and the small blip of oil sitting under ANWR isn’t going to slow down the efforts of big oil to ensure they have supply — without regulation, you can bet that oil companies will drill anywhere their engineers tell them there’s oil to be found. Without regulation (and seriously harsh penalties, company-breaking even), oil companies will continue to cut corners and drill without common sense safety measures like pre-drilled relief wells (mandated in Canada). If it’s cheaper to pay for a cleanup every X years than to pay for safer operating over those same years, then oil companies are going to keep cutting corners. It’s the brutal accounting of the oil business.

I kept asking myself “where do all the righties get the exact same message?” Why it’s from none other than Sister Sarah’s screech.

So let me see if I understand: if we allowed drilling in ANWR (on which this entire argument revolves) we would not be drilling in the Gulf of Mexico? Is that your position? If it is it is false.

TheCrooksAreStillAtIT

July 24th, 2010
10:44 am

It’s sad because we are in desperate need of jobs and then we have to work for companies run by people like Don Blankenship.

It’s sad because I would rather live under a bridge than work for this fool.

RW-(the original)

July 24th, 2010
10:46 am

If only there were search engines where one could verify this very public figure’s previous statements on these issues!

Just for grins I took the action called for in the above snarkasm and used Google. It’s not a very productive excercise so I’ll have to agree with Moderate until we have a transcript. I’ve never seen any good reason to take Dana Milbank at face value and the write up at the National Press club site doesn’t sound much like Milbank’s account

booger

July 24th, 2010
10:47 am

Jay,

One mining company translate into a corporate culture? Generalize much? Based on that could we say that since Microsoft donates billions to worthy causes, our corporate culture is the most generous in the world? Wait, wait. As long as we are making stupid generalizations can we say that Rangle’s ethics violations means democrats have a shameful political culture. Hey, this is fun.

RF

July 24th, 2010
10:48 am

“corporate business is what built America…” Really??? He actually said that??? And all this time I thought it was hard-working citizens who did it. Geez, Am. Hist 101 from a corporate boob! Yeah, let’s let corporations run willy-nilly like they have for the last dozen years. That worked out well for our economy, didn’t it?

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
10:51 am

Not so casual observer

July 24th, 2010
10:54 am

Soothsayer,

Point 1. The Dems are the pawns of the enviros. Dare you argue that point?

The enviros have fought on-shore drilling in ANWR and in the continental US as well as drilling in the shallow waters of the Gulf. Thus the oil companies are forced to the deep water.

I believe these points to be generally accepted.

Point 2. Google “Gull Island” and “Bakken Oil Field” and you will learn these two oil pools contain sufficient oil to power the US, not for decades but for centuries. Gull Island was discovered in the late 1970’s, as I recall, and not one drop of oil has ever been extracted even though at the time this was thought to be the largest “oil pool” in the world. Gull Island is in Prudhoe Bay.

The Bakken Oil Field is under land owned by the US government so royalties and other cost are eliminated. Estimates of Bakken are as high as 2.3 billion barrels.

josef nix

July 24th, 2010
10:58 am

not so curious

If you’re still hereabouts…just exactly what do you know about the Shoah in its outplay in Hungary and the bringing to accounting of following the war?

stands for decibels

July 24th, 2010
10:58 am

I’ll have to agree with Moderate until we have a transcript.

fine, but my issue with him was that he seemed to be drawing a parallel between the sin of presuming stuff about a guy with a long history of incendiary rhetoric, whose legend precedes his Press Club appearance, with the sin of presuming stuff about an obscure bureaucrat nobody here had ever heard of.

I mean, sure. There’s a bit of a point there–in both cases one would be indulging in some context-free guessing. One guess is a tad more educated than the other, is all.

~~~~~~~~~~~`

Anyway, on a lighter note RW, I apologize for my Flushing, NY franchise’s apparent breach of the non-aggression pact they’d signed with Los Bravos 10 or so days ago, last night. Don’t know what got into ‘em.

Not so casual observer

July 24th, 2010
10:59 am

Soothsayer,

Are the quotes from the “Mother Nature Network” supposed to be support for your nonsense from a NEUTRAL source?

popeye

July 24th, 2010
11:00 am

“The Bakken Oil Field is under land owned by the US government so royalties and other cost are eliminated. Estimates of Bakken are as high as 2.3 billion barrels.”

If that’s the case why then do I have a deed that was left to me in a will for 1,000 acres of mineral rights in Williams County North Dakota.

Also the Bakken oil field extends into Canada which I highly doubt is owned by the U.S. Gov’t.

Not so casual observer

July 24th, 2010
11:05 am

Josef,

Your name says it all.

Read the 60 Minutes interview with Soros and draw your own conclusions. Should Soros have been prosecuted? Again, you decide but the simple fact he was not prosecuted does not make his actions less repulsive to me or in any manner noble. Soros is proud of his actions and nowhere in the interview does he try to make the case he was complicit to save his life and many proud, brave Jews went to their death rather than aid the Nazis.

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
11:07 am

Not so casual: Your claim was that environmentalists forced oil companies to drill offshore. That is untrue.

Your claim that we have centuries of oil left in this country is untrue. 2.3 billion barrels of oil would only last 105 days since we use 20,000,000 barrels a day. 2,100/20 = 105.

Do you really think “Mother Natures Network” is less neutral than Sarah Palin where the right gets their information from. I never claimed that it was neutral.

Once again I challenge you to post ANYTHING that proves your earlier points.

jt

July 24th, 2010
11:07 am

Soothsyer—————–here it is.

“So the industry pushed for lower fees on oil and gas production, known as federal royalties, to support more aggressive deep drilling. They found an unlikely ally in President Bill Clinton and his Energy Secretary Hazel O’Leary, who threw their support behind an initiative to temporarily cut royalties on deepwater oil and gas production to spur the industry.

The result was the Deepwater Royalty Reduction Act of 1996 that triggered a rush into new areas in the Gulf of Mexico that had previously been dismissed as uneconomical.”

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N14196061.htm

Not so casual observer

July 24th, 2010
11:08 am

popeye,

Why do I have a deed for 10,000,000 acres yet the state is still called Montana? Even after Joe’s son was arrested for underage drinking!

jt

July 24th, 2010
11:09 am

Soothsayer

Maybe you are right that is was NOT the enviros that pushed it.

But it was still the “comman denominator’s” fault.

Rightwing Troll

July 24th, 2010
11:10 am

So environmentalists have killed 50 million people?

josef nix

July 24th, 2010
11:10 am

not so curious
My name says it all on what count?

RW-(the original)

July 24th, 2010
11:12 am

sfb,

Apparently neither team knows how that NAP is supposed to work, but since they have 10 games left head to head maybe they feel the need to make it look good for a while.

Rightwing Troll

July 24th, 2010
11:13 am

You conservitards are some seriously messed up sheeple.

The reason there isn’t any drilling of the coast of Fla is?

Will any of you nuts answer that honestly?

Not so casual observer

July 24th, 2010
11:14 am

Soothsayer,

Estimates of Bakken run from 503 Billion to 2.3 Trillion barrels of oil.

Go pic a nit! You have no facts.

Your envy of Sarah Palin shines through all of your posts.

You posted the rant of “Mother” as though fact. Are you trying to run from your own post?

jt

July 24th, 2010
11:15 am

Rightwing Troll

Actually, the macondo oil field IS off the coast of florida.

So is about ten-thousand more.

Next.

Mick

July 24th, 2010
11:16 am

Class war? The rich win every time, they got the money but it defies logic as to why so many average joe’s seem to worry about their plight. Wake up and smell the coffee, the bush tax cuts were an extra special deal for the fat cats, time for them to pony up and help pay down the deficit – they can afford it with no pain. Why don’t these rich goobers ever want to help the people in this country? They reap the greatest rewards – wealth beyond yours or mines imagination. Death is the great equalizer – no one escapes and you can’t take it with you, go ahead make our day and tax the two percenters to kingdom come.

Jack

July 24th, 2010
11:18 am

I’m always amazed at opinions of corporations by folks that never owned one and that likely owe their livelihoods to a corporation.

stands for decibels

July 24th, 2010
11:19 am

neither team knows how that NAP is supposed to work, but since they have 10 games left head to head

I hear the Mets plan to bring Armando Benitez out of retirement. It’ll be like old times!

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
11:19 am

jt: thank you for your honest admission. The Right always wants to hang it on the “Environmentalist” bogeyman.

What I would like to see is for those on the Right (who I call “low information”) to be able to back assertions made on this blog. What you do on Wingfield’s blog is your own business.

I would be reluctant to repeat something I hear Sarah Palin say. Or Michelle Backman.

jt & Not So Casual: answer this question yes or no–if it weren’t for environmentalists, Clinton, or the bogeyman du jour oil companies would not now, nor would have ever drilled in the Gulf of Mexico?

Not so casual observer

July 24th, 2010
11:20 am

Troll,

Another perfect blog name for a Lib, if you eliminate the “rightwing” part.

The states along the Gulf control the waters off their coast. FLA has asserted control over a larger area (5.3 miles I believe) than the other states and considers their tourism industry more important than drilling.

Again, the enviros have fought on shore drilling and forced the oil companies off shore and into deep water.

booger

July 24th, 2010
11:21 am

The ignorance about the oil business displayed in this blog is astonishing. To see someone who knows nothing about a subject make a claim, and then to watch a group of people who likewise know nothing about a subject, discuss and argue about that subject is painful and embarrassing. When someone who actually knows about the subject speaks, I will listen.

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
11:24 am

Moderate Line

July 24th, 2010
11:25 am

fine, but my issue with him was that he seemed to be drawing a parallel between the sin of presuming stuff about a guy with a long history of incendiary rhetoric, whose legend precedes his Press Club appearance, with the sin of presuming stuff about an obscure bureaucrat nobody here had ever heard of.
+++++++++++++++++++
First, I don’t have any record of the history of what he has said in the past so I can only judge him on what is presented. So my call for context is dismiss because he in your judgement does not deserve the same standard of fairness because in your judgement he has a histoty of saying indecent things.

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
11:27 am

BOOGER! How are those stocks doing? Please enlighten us with your knowledge of the petroleum industry.

@@

July 24th, 2010
11:28 am

In a preliminary report to President Barack Obama in April, the Labor Department said it had been watching Massey and Upper Big Branch closely because of violations. The operation received 639 U.S. Mine Safety and Health Administration violations from January 2009 to the accident.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-22/massey-energy-s-blankenship-says-regulation-of-coal-industry-is-excessive.html

Watching????? How about acting….is that too much to ask of this administration?

I still question Obama’s appointment of Ken Salazar, when it was Salazar who went to great lengths to assure anyone who was listening (especially coalfield politicians and mining operators?) that the action by his department wasn’t going to block any permits or stop one single coal anywhere from being mined.

Where is Obama’s shame? Where is the left-wingers’ shame in Obama?

Moderate Line

July 24th, 2010
11:28 am

My response was to:

stands for decibels

July 24th, 2010
10:58 am

RF

July 24th, 2010
11:28 am

Jack- I don’t think anyone doubts the importance of corporations, but how much power should they have in the governing of this country? If what this mining blowhard says is to be believed, he thinks corporations should be less governed, in essence becoming almost a country unto themselves. I don’t reject the importance of them in the economic scheme of things, but isn’t there a balance point where corporations have to be held accountable for treatment of the workers who generate their profitability? We have laws to protect wages, work weeks, safety conditions, etc. so that those of us who work there can be treated with a reasonable degree of safety and respect. Should corporations be allowed to ignore, circumvent, or just plain refuse to follow safety laws? So far, it’s looking like that very scenario contributed mightily to the Deep Water Horizon disaster.

Not so casual observer

July 24th, 2010
11:30 am

Soothsayer,

Even developed a budget? Made a payroll? Hired or fired an employee? Been responsible to shareholders? Etc., etc.

Are you trying to assert @ 11:19 that an oil company, if given the choice, would rather take the more expensive route to oil (deep drilling) as opposed to drilling more cheaply (on shore)? You libs like to make the accusation that corporations are all about profit? Which route do you think these evil corporations are going to take if one is significantly more profitable than another?

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
11:34 am

@@: Demopublican, Republicrat–there all controlled by the big money interests. The bottom line is literally the bottom line. If it’s cheaper to operate “less-safe” and lose a few men then so be it.

jt

July 24th, 2010
11:36 am

Soothsayer

of course the oil companies would have drilled. But you have to admit that this was because of DEMAND. Nuclear energy will decrease DEMAND. Who is against nuclear energy?

@@

“Watching????? How about acting….is that too much to ask of this administration?”

I did some contract work for the construction of the Georgia Aquarium. This was the OSHA scam there.
They set up in an adjacent high-rise, with expensive cameras and took pictures of safety violations for a period of three weeks, then promptly submitted the bill.

That is not the way to PREVENT safety violations.
They should have been on the ground from day one with their respective costumes and badges, BUTTTTTT, there wouldn’t have been as much MONEY involved. I suspect the same happens with the mining, drilling, safe-sex, etc……………………………

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
11:36 am

Not So Casual: please answer the question posed @11:19. Until you do I’m not going to waste any more time with you.

MPercy

July 24th, 2010
11:37 am

Oh, Jay, your column today looks like a Cynthia Tucker c&p job. Don’t fall into that habit, please.

Moderate Line

July 24th, 2010
11:38 am

Profit motivates private business(In general)
Power motivates government(In general)

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
11:39 am

jt: they drill in deep water because all of the “low-hanging fruit” is gone. Most on-shore reserves are not economically viable at $70 – $80/bbl.

Scout

July 24th, 2010
11:46 am

josef:

Did tht guy ever come back to you about your name? What kind of bigoted remark was that ?

Scout

July 24th, 2010
11:48 am

Jay ! Jay ! Jay !

Well, well, well ………….. I just heard old Roy Barnes will be in South Georgia come Monday and just won’t be able to be here for “Che” Obama’s visit to Hotlanta.

How convenient !

HA ! HA ! HA !

booger

July 24th, 2010
11:50 am

Soothsayer,

I have stock in two oil service companies. Sold when Obama was elected, and bought them back about 9 months ago. I did just fine.

Dusty

July 24th, 2010
11:50 am

OH no…

Libs are over at Kyle’s place calling him names over the Sherrod Saga. Doing their liberal duty! Everybody is a racist except liberals!! They are peachy kleen and without blemish!!!!!

Our poor lil’ Jay is over here crying over the coalminers just to show that big business is bad (and not socialism).. What a shame.

I wish the Democrats would put out a new propaganda manual. The current one hasn’t been revised since the AntiBush Bible was presented.

Hmm…let’s see..lotsa people killed driving to Atlanta. All expressways should be barricaded and inspected. You don’t mind killiing people everyday? Poor people driving on the expressways and you don’t care?????? Evil rich people. They don’t drive to work!! RAISE THEIR TAXES!!! Besides, they are all conservative Republicans and they kill coal miners.

Thus it goes, my friends. That last paragraph was called “thinking like a loyal lib”. You think I might get a job at the AJC???

josef nix

July 24th, 2010
11:53 am

Scout
Of course not. I do halfway wonder, though.

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
11:53 am

jt

July 24th, 2010
11:57 am

Soothsayer

This is something to think about before I go and drink some beers and cut some grass. I swear I thought about this before I ever looked on the intra-net. But there are other people that feel this way and there is even a book recently printed concerning this.

From space or a million miles away, our earth is a perfect sphere. The physical smoothness of our planet would be hard to replicate in the finest machine shop. (even with the large differences between Everest and the mariannas trench.). Anyhow, this smoothness(our planet) is made by levels of different substances. There are people that are proposing that there is a uniform layer of oil WORLD-WIDE. Sure, some parts are easier to get to but it is underground EVERYWHERE.

The shortages is just a scam to keep up prices.

This is something I believe is credible. Furthermore, as far as global warming. Oil is a superior insulation. I believe that the world-wide layer of oil is an insulating agent against the earth’s core. The more we deplete this, the warmer the surface could be getting.(no body has thought of this yet. you heard it here first) (like global acceleration). That’s happening too.

Not so casual observer

July 24th, 2010
12:05 pm

Soothsayer,

The estimates of Bakken are all over the board. The point I originally made was:

Based upon our use of oil for only 100+years, the technology advances in those 100+ years, the amount of oil we have (some experts claim this to be more than the rest of the world combined) and the absurd idea that we will still use oil as a primary source of energy for centuries into the future all point to the fallacy of the standard argument of liberals that we do not have enough oil and we are about use all that we have.

According to a June 2008 article in Kiplinger Magazine, the United States has enough oil reserves to power the nation for upwards of three centuries. Soothsayer, that would be 300 years, or did I post that earlier?

barking frog

July 24th, 2010
12:05 pm

Did anybody notice that BP in partnership with Anardarko paid Transoceanic to drill a
well that blew up due to a failed blowout preventer built by Halliburton. They were
able to contain the spill just days before the two “relief” wells are due to be
completed. only BP has stepped up to the plate to take responsibility for which
they now have 3 producing wells in the Gulf. Ain’t life grand.

josef nix

July 24th, 2010
12:09 pm

scout
Before I go child-proofing the house (grandkids coming next week!), did you catch that lawyer’s letter Doggone posted me last night? If not, do…that thing was rich and right up your alley… :-)

Scout

July 24th, 2010
12:09 pm

josef: He’s a jerk !

Dusty: LOL !

Scout

July 24th, 2010
12:10 pm

josef:

What thread ? Time ?

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
12:11 pm

jt: you are parroting the “cornucopia” oil theory espoused by the Right. And, like virtually everyone else on the Right, you deny Global Warming. I predict that the cornucopia theory will be proven wrong in the next 5 years. I believe that we will see $300/bbl oil by then. As for denying Global Warming, why wouldn’t you? It’s the comfortable path. No sacrifice required. I just hope that you aren’t wrong. What if we were to cross some unknown tipping point in our Global climate and temperatures rose dramatically? Who would you blame then. After all, we have to have someone to blame don’t we?

booger

July 24th, 2010
12:12 pm

Soothsayer,

There is a Gull Island in Prudhoe Bay. I’ve been to Prudhoe a few times, and it is there. Once again, watching someone discuss something they are totally ignorant about is painful.

Scout

July 24th, 2010
12:12 pm

“AND SO HE BOWED”

josef nix

July 24th, 2010
12:13 pm

Scout

It was @ 10:23 on travellin’ music…

And, yeah, a jerk…I was just wondering what kind…

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
12:15 pm

Not So Casual: “According to a June 2008 article in Kiplinger Magazine, the United States has enough oil reserves to power the nation for upwards of three centuries. Soothsayer, that would be 300 years, or did I post that earlier?”

We don’t have enough to power the nation for 3 days. That’s why we import two thirds of our oil from around the World.

Mick

July 24th, 2010
12:17 pm

dusty

Thank god for liberals….if it wasn’t for the libruls, then who would you have to whine and moan about?

Soothsayer

July 24th, 2010
12:19 pm

Booger: some guy named Williams says there is oil on some island. I have scoured the internet for posts and the only ones relating to Gull Island simply repeat this Williams guy’s claims. So you and Not So Casual claim that we have all of this oil on Gull Island and a government (or otherwise) conspiracy is covering it up to keep oil prices up? Really? Really? Seriously? Boy, I’ve got some beach-front property in Arkansas I want you to look at!

josef nix

July 24th, 2010
12:20 pm

Mick

“Thank god for liberals….if it wasn’t for the libruls, then who would you have to whine and moan about?”

Cubans? :-)

booger

July 24th, 2010
12:20 pm

Soothsayer,

So in three days, when we have exhausted all the oil in this country, we will be importing 100% of our oil? Painful.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! Just sayin...

July 24th, 2010
12:22 pm

(Reuters) – Six years after the insect killer DDT was globally outlawed on grounds of environmental damage, two researchers say there are new reasons for doubting the chemical is harmful and are urging its use against malaria.

In the tropical West African nation of Ivory Coast, malaria kills 176 children under five each day, the government’s top malaria official, Dr Sam Koffi Moise, told Reuters.

Reuters.

One small African nation.

176 children A DAY.

Why am I the only one who knows this?

You think maybe the libs want to kill African children?

Over population, harming the planet, ooops, what’s another giant pile of dead black kids compared to al-Gore’s vanity?