Georgia Right to Life leaders step beyond bounds of decent debate

Nathan Deal, one of the two remaining candidates for the GOP’s gubernatorial nomination, believes that abortion ought to be banned even in cases involving rape or incest, and would permit the procedure only when the mother’s life is in danger.

Karen Handel, his opponent, describes herself as pro-life but would allow exceptions in cases of rape or incest, a position that makes her the flaming liberal in the race.

Because of that difference, Georgia Right to Life has thrown its weight behind Deal and opposes Handel with a bitterness that is a bit surprising. Apparently its leadership fears that if Handel is allowed to win a high-profile statewide GOP primary, some of her fellow Republicans might begin to believe that they too can ignore GRTL’s orders without consequence

And as if that wasn’t bad enough, there’s Sarah Palin. Her endorsement of Handel has further embarrassed GRTL among the GOP conservatives that represent its source of political power. And as GRTL Executive Director Melanie Crozier explained to Politico, they don’t like it one little bit.

“[Palin] has a son with Down’s Syndrome, and under Karen Handel’s laws, Handel would have felt like it was ok to go in and abort that child,” said Crozier. “But when you look at Sarah Palin’s pattern—going out finding mainly women candidates that were in the lead and endorsing them, that’s not really a surprise. She saw Handel had a decent lead, so I think she sort of jumped on the bandwagon.”

The lack of decency and sense of proportion in those comments is pretty appalling. GRTL had no right to drag Trig Palin into this debate in that kind of context, particularly to use against Palin, and the smear regarding Handel is downright startling. But it’s also nothing new.

Earlier in the campaign, Handel had also angered GRTL with her support for infertility clinics. She and her husband have tried but failed to have children, and Handel opposes laws that in effect would ban in vitro fertilization as a technique for treating infertility. (The process creates fertilized eggs that in some cases are never implanted, a fact that horrifies the life-begins-at-conception camp.)

“Someone’s desperate right to parenthood – because they’re infertile, they’re barren, whatever term you want to use – is an emotionally fraught subject that has our highest sympathy,” responded Dan Becker, GRTL’s president. “But it should never be attempted to be addressed where a life is taken in the process.”

It’s ironic to see people who claim to defend humanity in fact demonstrate so little humanity themselves.

117 comments Add your comment

stands for decibels

July 23rd, 2010
2:20 pm

Popcorn, anyone?

TaxPayer

July 23rd, 2010
2:27 pm

Well, what did expect from those people. I still cannot believe that these “Right to Lifers” are not out there on a daily basis protesting and boycotting major corporations that manufacture and sell the pill and other such “death traps for the conceived”. And don’t even get me started on the insurance policies — policies that these very people likely have and/or have had — that cover abortions of the chemical and/or physical variety.

TheCrooksAreStillAtIT

July 23rd, 2010
2:27 pm

This same group would eliminate welfare, food stamps and the free lunch program.

Their motto should be: “The right to life, stops at birth.”

Peadawg

July 23rd, 2010
2:29 pm

I agree w/ Karen. Rape, incest, and mother’s life in danger should the only exceptions.

Peadawg

July 23rd, 2010
2:31 pm

“boycotting major corporations that manufacture and sell the pill”

That’s b/c the pill isn’t abortion. You want the apple or the orange?

RW-(the original)

July 23rd, 2010
2:31 pm

Did something really freak out in the formatting here or is it just me?

You know the left has been using that same line about Palin just being a bandwagon jumper for weeks. Strange bedfellows and all that.

Matti

July 23rd, 2010
2:32 pm

“It’s ironic to see people who claim to defend humanity in fact demonstrate so little humanity themselves.”

I think most of us are used to this by now, Mr. Bookman. So true, but nothing new. “LIFE IS PRECIOUS!” Unless the life is a three-year-old child of an unemployed parent and needs a medical procedure. Then it becomes, “I work for MY money! I don’t want it to pay for somebody else’s brat!” Or if the three-year-old child is of a brown-skinned, Muslim lineage. Then dropping bombs on his house at bedtime is perfectly acceptable.

Also not new: radical righties trying to mainstream this non-issue during an election year to distract from their party’s dismal failures and complete lack of integrity or ideas about the issues that should be at the forefront of the discourse.

RW-(the original)

July 23rd, 2010
2:34 pm

Hmmm…the formatting goes back to normal once the column goes away.

RF

July 23rd, 2010
2:35 pm

Oh boy, ANOTHER election with abortion at the center of it. And I thought that maybe, just maybe, the GRTL would handle this one with dignity. What was I thinking? So they’re going to nail Handel to the cross for IVF? For real?? They seriously ought to think about that one a minute. They’re going to cost Deal some votes if he steps up and accepts that argument. Handel might just win in the runoff if GRTL keeps at it.

TaxPayer

July 23rd, 2010
2:36 pm

mm

July 23rd, 2010
2:36 pm

These morons keep trying to out-right the others. The tea party is going to kill the GOP this November.

RW-(the original)

July 23rd, 2010
2:38 pm

Race…abortion with a side of Palin…are we going to go straight to music after this or do evolution first?

Peadawg

July 23rd, 2010
2:38 pm

So it’s a possible side effect. RTL might as well boycott major corporations that manufacture ANY kind of medication going by your logic.

TaxPayer

July 23rd, 2010
2:40 pm

Hardly “my logic”, Peadawg. Nice attempt at a deflection though. Something you picked up from one too many O’Really shows, no doubt.

stands for decibels

July 23rd, 2010
2:41 pm

Here’s a little something for you, Peadawg.

and lest we forget, the Pharmacist Conscience Clause folks, bless their hearts.

http://www.pfli.org/main.php?pfli=conscienceclausefaq

Jefferson

July 23rd, 2010
2:41 pm

The law of the land reigns.

Peadawg

July 23rd, 2010
2:42 pm

How about RTL boycott alcohol manufacturers, cigarette companies, Trojan, etc. etc.? :roll:

Peadawg

July 23rd, 2010
2:45 pm

And don’t forget lubrication companies! LOL!

stands for decibels

July 23rd, 2010
2:45 pm

Off topic #1 (well, it’s about A life, anyway):

His time had come, but I’m gonna miss hearing this guy.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128565997&ps=cprs

Daniel Schorr, a longtime senior news analyst for NPR and a veteran Washington journalist who broke major stories at home and abroad during the Cold War and Watergate, has died. He was 93.

Schorr, who once described himself as a “living history book,” passed away Friday morning at a Washington hospital. He was able to bring to contemporary news commentary a deep sense of how governmental institutions and players operate, as well as the perspective gained from decades of watching history upfront.

“He could compare presidents from Eisenhower on through, and that gave him historical context for things,” said Donald A. Ritchie, Senate historian and author of a book about the Washington press corps. “He had lived it, he had worked it and he had absorbed it. That added a layer to his broadcasting that was hard for somebody his junior to match.”

stands for decibels

July 23rd, 2010
2:49 pm

And here’s #2, a much more obscure one, but those who mourned the passing of Alex Chilton a few months ago will want to know…

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/news.php?id=61152

Andy Hummel, founding bassist for the influential ’70s Memphis band Big Star, died of cancer July 19 in Weatherford, Texas. He was 59.

Though inactive in music since the mid-’70s, Hummel appeared with drummer Jody Stephens at a panel on Big Star and a tribute show during the South by Southwest Music Conference and Festival in March; the emotional performance, at Antone’s, paid tribute to vocalist-guitarist-songwriter Alex Chilton, who died March 17, on the eve of the convention.

Hummel was raised in Memphis and after playing in several hometown teen combos, he joined the group Icewater, whose personnel included Stephens and singer-guitarist-songwriter Chris Bell. The band morphed into Big Star with the addition of ex-Box Tops lead singer Chilton in 1971.

The four-piece Big Star lineup recorded its debut album “#1 Record” at Memphis’ Ardent Studios and released it on the Stax-distributed Ardent imprint in 1972. After a disgruntled Bell exited the band in the wake of the album’s failure, Chilton, Hummel and Stephens issued the sophomore release “Radio City” in 1974. (Bell died in a 1978 car accident.)

Stax’s distribution problems condemned commercial chances for the second LP as well, and Hummel quit the band and the music business: Returning to college, he got degrees in English literature and mechanical engineering, and worked for years at General Dynamics in Fort Worth.

josef nix

July 23rd, 2010
2:50 pm

RW

Ooooh! Evolution! Can we do evolution? I wann do evolution! Why can’t we do evolution, Daddy Jay? We haven’t done evolution in a long time. The other blogs get to do evolution. You’re just mean and won’t let us do evolution. I’m going to run away from home if we don’t get to do evolution!

Granny Godzilla

July 23rd, 2010
2:50 pm

stands

i got the junior mints

Outhouse GoKart

July 23rd, 2010
2:50 pm

“This same group would eliminate welfare, food stamps and the free lunch program.”

Not entirely…
Trade welfare for workfare.
Replace food stamps with Will Work for Food programs.
Free Lunch program…force parents to provide SS# and verify their little angels are deserving of Free Lunch program

Jay

July 23rd, 2010
2:54 pm

Now Little Joe, you know you can’t eat the entire bag of candy today; let’s save some for next week, shall we?

Jimmy Joe Bob

July 23rd, 2010
2:55 pm

Well, all I hear is abortion this, in vitro fertilization that. What I want to know is when are we gonna pass a law outlawing dancin’?

theyeshaveit

July 23rd, 2010
2:59 pm

Jefferson

July 23rd, 2010
3:05 pm

Its not so much the fact that abortion happens that bothers the GOP, its the fact that people are actually having sex that pisses them off…

TaxPayer

July 23rd, 2010
3:08 pm

I think this blog has evolved quite a bit over the years, save one constant, Jay.

Dusty

July 23rd, 2010
3:09 pm

RW,

We may have time for another slice of Sherrod before the music begins. She’s has been dished out everyday for the slow thinkers who did not get “it” the first six times.

Now it looks like Bookman may have changed to Republican women running for office. OH yes, how interesting!!!

Meanwhile, super wealthy Barnes is out distributing his $$$$$ to convince po’ folks that he is just what they need.to have a rich & wonderful life at his direction. And Bookman won’t find a single thing worng with the bountiful Barnes. Jus’ perfect…but now THOSE AWFUL REPUBLICAN WOMEN!!!! Yeah!!!….. There U go…. tripe known as Bookman’s babble.

washedup

July 23rd, 2010
3:11 pm

Deal’s position is more in line with “right to life”. Why is it not okay to kill an unborn child in one instance, and okay in another? No matter how that life started, whether by rape, incest, whatever, it’s still a life, isn’t it? Pro-lifers with conditions are not really pro-life at all.

mm

July 23rd, 2010
3:11 pm

GOP: “That’s right girly, you’re gonna have that baby. Then we’re going to starve it to death”! “Or make you and your kid live under a bridge”. “Or take away your childs free public education”. “Or take away your healthcare”.

As Larry the Cable Guy says, “I could do this all day”.

Del

July 23rd, 2010
3:11 pm

Wow you can sure see the lefts panic by the tone right here on Jay’s blog. Democrats in congress thumbing their nose at old Harry in the Senate, the administration doing something stupid every week like firing Shirley and Obama, Reid and Polosi sinking deeper into the toilet and Democrats probably getting flushed in November. I guess throwing rants is the only way for them to find some degree of solace, false as it may be.

Dusty

July 23rd, 2010
3:14 pm

Now now Josef.

You have already evolved so you can’t have anymore. So hush yo fuss!

Does Unmentionable drive a VOLVO? (Whooo, isn’t THAT clever? Don’t answer.)

TaxPayer

July 23rd, 2010
3:14 pm

I guess Del’s life just couldn’t get any better.

Jefferson

July 23rd, 2010
3:14 pm

November, November — what if your plans get shattered ? Then what ? Talk is all you have.

stands for decibels

July 23rd, 2010
3:15 pm

We may have time for another slice of Sherrod

Here ya go, darlin’.

I’m trying to start a meme. I’d love to have your help. The hash tag is #ifandrewbreitbarteditedit, and the idea is to drive home that you can’t believe everything you hear in heavily edited videos. Here are some of my entries, and I [in]tend to update when I can:

“Apocalypse Now” is about how war is a morally uplifting adventure.

“In The Heat Of The Night” is about the dangers of affirmative action.

“Guess Who’s Coming To Dinner” is about what’s wrong with interracial marriage.

“It’s A Wonderful Life” is about why big bankers are great, and why suicide is painless.

“Citizen Kane” is about the spiritual fulfillment one gets from capitalism.

Granny Godzilla

July 23rd, 2010
3:15 pm

“Pro-lifers with conditions are not really pro-life at all.”

Brings to mind the pro-lifers who are pro-death penalty.

…just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in…..

Doggone/GA

July 23rd, 2010
3:16 pm

Sfd – I’m sorry to here that Daniel Schorr has died. He lived a long, full, rich life though…didn’t he?

Del

July 23rd, 2010
3:18 pm

TaxPayer,

Thanks..Life is good.

Doggone/GA

July 23rd, 2010
3:18 pm

“What I want to know is when are we gonna pass a law outlawing dancin’?”

Have you heard this one? Dancing is the vertical expression of a horizontal desire

Jay

July 23rd, 2010
3:18 pm

Washed up, I’d agree with you theoretically.

Once you start establishing conditions for when abortion is acceptable, it becomes a debate about who gets to draw the line where, and why. To use the pro-life terminology, It’s OK to “kill the baby” conceived in rape, for example, but not the baby conceived by a 13-year-old and a 20-year-old “friend”?

Why’s that? And who gets to decide?

Doggone/GA

July 23rd, 2010
3:19 pm

“Pro-lifers with conditions are not really pro-life at all.”

As far as I’m concerned, it goes even deeper than that. If they have no way to FORCE a woman to carry her pregnancy to term, then they ARE pro-CHOICE…they just want to reserve the “right” to punish the woman for making decision they don’t like.

Jay

July 23rd, 2010
3:22 pm

Sfd, do you remember the Friends episode where Phoebe is horrified to learn she never saw the WHOLE movie “Old Yeller”?

By the way, I’ve seen no proof that Breitbart edited that video. The only way to know for sure, I suspect, would be through subpoena power.

TaxPayer

July 23rd, 2010
3:23 pm

Fifteen million children living in poverty… here, in the US. Damn. And Georgia Right to Life is worried about abortions when rape and incest are involved.

stands for decibels

July 23rd, 2010
3:26 pm

Sfd, do you remember the Friends episode where Phoebe is horrified to learn she never saw the WHOLE movie “Old Yeller”?

Nope, sorry, Friends was never on my radar. But having experienced the story solely by reading the book to my young’un a few years ago, I can see the comedy potential in that plot line.

(quite a good book, actually, although its c. 1960 depiction of animal treatment is a bit shocking 50 years later. Let’s just say the mule doesn’t fare too well…)

By the way, I’ve seen no proof that Breitbart edited that video. The only way to know for sure, I suspect, would be through subpoena power.

Yeah, Amanda is assuming stuff in that linkee I provided.

Peadawg

July 23rd, 2010
3:29 pm

“Sfd, do you remember the Friends episode where Phoebe is horrified to learn she never saw the WHOLE movie “Old Yeller”?”

Ya. Didn’t her mom tell her the movie ended a different way or something?

@@

July 23rd, 2010
3:29 pm

The lack of decency and sense of proportion in those comments is pretty appalling. GRTL had no right to drag Trig Palin into this debate in that kind of context

Would you mind repeating that for your left-wingers, jay? They too dragged Trig into the campaign. Talk about jumping on the bandwagon…

Anyhoo, it would appear that GRTL wasn’t paying close attention to Palin during the campaign. She said that her views on abortion were personal, and that she would never profess to tell another woman what she should or should not do. It’s on video…some interview she did with someone.

Greta, Katie…one of the two.

washedup

July 23rd, 2010
3:29 pm

Have a good weekend, folks. Just remember, if you’re going to take a Baptist fishing with you, take a pair. . .if you only take one, he’ll drink all your beer.

Peadawg

July 23rd, 2010
3:32 pm

“.if you only take one, he’ll drink all your beer.”

Nothing wrong w/ drinking beer and fishin’. Just don’t drink and drive.

josef nix

July 23rd, 2010
3:33 pm

Daddy Jay

I want mine now…!

Dusty
Nanh…Ford…Buy American and, well, the Ford family did apologize for Henry! (PS next time you’re watching a PBS or such program with a Jewish theme…look and see how prominent the various Ford interests are in the “made possibly by…” line-up….

Normal

July 23rd, 2010
3:33 pm

This is just me but I think Nathan Deal would be the poster child for legalizing abortions….

Jay

July 23rd, 2010
3:33 pm

Yeah, in her mom’s version the movie ends when Old Yeller fights off the rabid wolf and it all ends happily ever after.

JohnnyReb

July 23rd, 2010
3:34 pm

TheCrooksAreStillAtIT July 23rd, 2010 2:27 pm
This same group would eliminate welfare, food stamps and the free lunch program. Their motto should be: “The right to life, stops at birth.”

So, you believe that without government handouts there can be no life. Move to the front of the progressive line!

Peadawg

July 23rd, 2010
3:35 pm

BTW Jay, best line of the entire series:

Ross: WE WERE ON A BREAK
Rachel: We are soooo over
Ross: um…um…um(pretending to cry) FINE BY ME!

joe matarotz

July 23rd, 2010
3:35 pm

Off topic, but here goes:

I just read the funniest headline on CBS-TVs’s website.

“White House Predicts Record Deficit”

Shouldn’t that be “White House GUARANTEES Record Deficit”? I’m still laughing about that one.

josef nix

July 23rd, 2010
3:36 pm

OGK
Whose social security numbers, theirs or their kids’?

Richard

July 23rd, 2010
3:37 pm

A organiztion formed on the abortion debate with a male president is one of the most egregious forms of hypocracy in existance. It’s hard to have any respect for the GRTL on that basis alone.

And I do love the logic “killing babies is wrong unles you don’t like how it got there.” How do these “pro-lifers” look themselves in the mirror.

Doesn’t matter. If Republicans have it their way, this country will be back to the wire hanger method by the end of the month.

ty webb

July 23rd, 2010
3:37 pm

what, no shirley sherrod analogy? you’ve already compared her plight to that of the muslim mosque guy. Come on jay, Shirley sherrod as an aborted fetus, breitbart as the back alley service provider, Fox news as the coat hanger. come on jay, it practically writes itself. we want more of this “dialogue” on race.

Del

July 23rd, 2010
3:37 pm

This seems like a moot argument since abortion was legalized some time ago and remains so today. It’s perfectly alright for folks not to accept abortion based on Christian beliefs or any other belief. I’m among them but it doesn’t change the law. I would think that even those who are pro-choice wouldn’t approve of late term abortion but evidently many do. It would seem that most people would at least prefer to see the number of abortions minimized regardless of their position but the left goes ballistic even at the mention of discussing options other then abortion with a young woman.

jewcowboy

July 23rd, 2010
3:39 pm

ty webb @ 3.37,

:)

md

July 23rd, 2010
3:39 pm

“Brings to mind the pro-lifers who are pro-death penalty.”

Are you really comparing the most innocent of all life forms with the scum of the earth life forms?

Really????

Doggone/GA

July 23rd, 2010
3:40 pm

“but the left goes ballistic even at the mention of discussing options other then abortion with a young woman.”

got any stats to back that one up? I can’t speak for others on “the left” but the only that makes ME ballistic is being forced to discuss options and NOT being permitted to include abortion.

Doggone/GA

July 23rd, 2010
3:41 pm

“Really????”

so they aren’t really “right to life”ers…they’re “you only have a right to life until you are born”ers

jewcowboy

July 23rd, 2010
3:42 pm

Del,

“I would think that even those who are pro-choice wouldn’t approve of late term abortion but evidently many do.”

Yes…better to let the mother die.

JohnnyReb

July 23rd, 2010
3:43 pm

All you Barnes supporters, the next Gov will be Deal or Handel. How does JohnnyReb know this, you ask? Because Repubs turned out at the polls at a rate 70% higher than Dems last Tuesday. We were practicing for November!

Matti

July 23rd, 2010
3:43 pm

Would you mind repeating that for your left-wingers, jay? They too dragged Trig into the campaign.

I have always been appalled by the exploitation of a candidate’s children. Personally, (though AtAt might brand me a “left-winger” if I bared my tender flank to her hot branding iron) I did not drag Palin’s children anywhere. The RNC did, however insist on trotting them out front and center in their efforts to make some kind of a “family values” statement in lieu of schooling the new nominee on the particulars of the Bush Doctrine and other relevant foreign and domestic issues. Neither her children, nor their personal reproductive choices are any of MY business, so why am I still seeing headlines about them? Never once did I hear Palin say, “My children are busy with their childhoods. Please leave them the privacy to live their lives while we discuss the issues.” You can’t fling them out there and say, “LOOK! Look at MY children!” and then be angry when people do, IMO. They’re just kids and do not deserve this, any more than Chelsea deserved the ugly jokes Republicans told about her appearance during her awkward pubescent stage.

Peadawg

July 23rd, 2010
3:43 pm

“life until you are born”ers”

I had one of those when I woke up this morning.

Doggone/GA

July 23rd, 2010
3:43 pm

Oh yes, and for the “right to life” and pro-death penalty crowd:

“Texans: Did we execute an innocent man?”

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/23/texas.execution.probe/index.html?hpt=T2

Dusty

July 23rd, 2010
3:44 pm

Well, I’m convinced. Jay should not have an abortion. The power of the press is persuasive!!

jewcowboy

July 23rd, 2010
3:44 pm

TaxPayer,

“Fifteen million children living in poverty… here, in the US. Damn. And Georgia Right to Life is worried about abortions when rape and incest are involved.”

Maybe we can make them into prison chow…kill 2 birds with one stone.

chuck

July 23rd, 2010
3:44 pm

excuse me Jay, but Sarah Palin needs to be held accountable for the candidates she supports. She obviously did not research Handel’s record on the issues and the statement from GRTL is correct. That is one of the issues pushed by the death merchants. Only perfect babies should be allowed to live. Research planned parenthood if you want to see INhumanity.

chuck

July 23rd, 2010
3:46 pm

jewcowboy, you are a sick you-know-what.

stands for decibels

July 23rd, 2010
3:46 pm

Come on jay, Shirley sherrod as an aborted fetus, breitbart as the back alley service provider, Fox news as the coat hanger.

I never saw that episode of Friends either.

md

July 23rd, 2010
3:47 pm

“so they aren’t really “right to life”ers…they’re “you only have a right to life until you are born”ers”

Depends on one’s definition of “Pro-lifers”. I’d hazard a guess that the term applies to the unborn child vs scum of the earth serial killer.

I guess if one wants to get technical, it would be “Pro-life for Baby’s”, but the argument is nothing more than a cop out – unless one really thinks there is a comparison between the two.

jewcowboy

July 23rd, 2010
3:47 pm

chuck,

“you are a sick you-know-what.”

Why thank you!

Wyld Byll Hyltnyr

July 23rd, 2010
3:47 pm

When the Lord G-d creates a life, it should be permitted to live rather than be snuffed out on the abortionist’s knife. Plain, pure, and simple. Each life has an equal instrinsic value and equally important purpose in the Lord’s plan.

Sometimes it is easy for us to ascertain the beauty in and purpose of a life the Lord has created (which see, Pamela Anderson) and sometimes it is just impossible for us to see either beauty or purpose (which see, Nancy Pelatio), but TLG always has a purpose for each life.

larry

July 23rd, 2010
3:48 pm

Make all adoptions free…………………that would reduce abortions.

Del

July 23rd, 2010
3:48 pm

jewcowboy,

Please…most people regardless of their opinion on abortion put priority on preserving the mothers life. I’m among them. Don’t ass u me.

Dusty

July 23rd, 2010
3:54 pm

Josef,

But but Model T Fords were so cute!! Every “old times” movie has one. I don’t know how Ford fits into Jewish history. Henry seemed talented. That’s all I know.

TaxPayer

July 23rd, 2010
3:56 pm

If you want to get really technical, it’s pro-life for some babies.

TaxPayer

July 23rd, 2010
3:57 pm

jewcowboy,

“Soylent Green” is taken. What shall we call the tasty morsels.

booger

July 23rd, 2010
3:58 pm

So Jay is concerned about Sarah’s feelings about this, after all the crap the media handed her during the campaign? My, my, my.

Soothsayer

July 23rd, 2010
3:58 pm

IT’S MUSIC TIME! HOORAY!

Scout

July 23rd, 2010
3:59 pm

Jay:

You can dress it up anyway you want. There will still come a day when “abortionists” will be looked on by those in the future in the same manner we look back at “slave holders”.

“But they were such good people ?”

Someone retorted to my same comment the other day by saying, “well, if you don’t believe in abortion don’t get one”.

I imagine there were those back in the 1850’s who said, “well, if you don’t believe in slavery don’t buy one”.

God will judge both.

jewcowboy

July 23rd, 2010
4:01 pm

TaxPayer,

“What shall we call the tasty morsels.”

Giggle snacks? Kibbles and kids?

@@

July 23rd, 2010
4:01 pm

This page looks funky. The comment box is all squished.

Pam Anderson, Byll?

You and Getalife share the same taste in women.

jewcowboy

July 23rd, 2010
4:03 pm

Scout,

“There will still come a day when “abortionists” will be looked on by those in the future in the same manner we look back at “slave holders”.”

The same can be said for those who oppose marriage rights for gays….

md

July 23rd, 2010
4:04 pm

It is interesting how the GW folks while site “science” all day long, but when “science” indicates abortion is the ending of a life form which will always progress into human life they don’t want to hear it.

Buckagon

July 23rd, 2010
4:06 pm

Jay,

I can honestly say I don’t remember if YOU have made any unseemly comments about anyone in the Palin family (other than Sarah, that is), but many have from your left side; I might add that I never remember you speaking out against those who did. You pointing out right-to-life’s comment is thus itself unseemly while you ignored all the “Trig-should’ve-been-aborted” kooks from the left!

Normal

July 23rd, 2010
4:08 pm

An old Chinese proverb says that if you save a life, you become responsible for that life.

That means that if the Government makes abortion illegal they become responsible for that fetus and his future life. The Government must provide for its health, education and emotional well being.

If this isn’t done and the parent is forced to bear a child that she does not want, what kind of life will that child have and do you think that he/she will find the cure for cancer or how to knock off convenience stores?

If you are going to be pro life, then be pro life, ban wars, capital punishment; feed, clothe, and heal the needy. Provide for the senior citizen. THAT is pro life….and nothing else should do.

Doggone/GA

July 23rd, 2010
4:10 pm

“vs scum of the earth serial killer”

Does it also include innocent men who are executed?

Doggone/GA

July 23rd, 2010
4:11 pm

“The same can be said for those who oppose marriage rights for gays….”

And for those who support the death penalty

Matti

July 23rd, 2010
4:14 pm

Seriously, I don’t understand how people get away with using this as a primary voting issue. It’s not a measurement of knowledge, experience, vision, or competence, nor does it demonstrate any ability to effectively address the issues that desperately need to be addressed in this state. (And if your answer entails some alleged judgement or blessings from God we receive or are denied because something is legal here or not, um… no one takes you seriously.)

Jay

July 23rd, 2010
4:14 pm

Buckagon, if any such comments were made by anybody in elected or leadership positions, of course they should have been condemned. But I was not and am not aware of any.

And no, I don’t believe I have ever made disparaging remarks about the Palin family or about Palin outside of politics.

Matti

July 23rd, 2010
4:19 pm

Normal @ 4:08,

Beautifully stated!

md

July 23rd, 2010
4:20 pm

“(And if your answer entails some alleged judgement or blessings from God we receive or are denied because something is legal here or not, um… no one takes you seriously.)”

Out of curiosity, how does one know these folks are not to be taken “seriously”?? How does one know they are not the correct ones??

When it comes to the origination of life, it all boils down to a matter of belief – for everyone.

md

July 23rd, 2010
4:23 pm

“If this isn’t done and the parent is forced to bear a child that she does not want, what kind of life will that child have and do you think that he/she will find the cure for cancer or how to knock off convenience stores? ”

And what kind of life will that child have if aborted??

Not too sure I like your options – especially if I have to choose between not the best life in the world vs no life at all. You seem to be advocating for suicide – if life sucks, just end it??

Matti

July 23rd, 2010
4:39 pm

md,

I’d like to answer your 4:20. (heh.. it’s always fourtwenty somewhere)

Yes, it is a matter of belief for everybody, and we’re all entitled to our beliefs. The real issue, IMO, is to what extent should some citizens use government to interfere with other citizens’ ownership of their own bodies — an issue that extends beyond the contents of a uterus. Do we have a right to die when we’re suffering? Do we have a right to kill ourselves with our vices or our second-ammendment props? Marry our long-term monogamous partner?

Regarding elections, I believe we should all take them seriously by looking at (1) the job for which the candidate is applying, (2) the candidate’s competence for the job, and (3) the candidate’s intentions and objectives if awarded the job. We have problems here in Georgia that need to be addressed by logic and good sense. We have corruption in our system that prevents that from happening. The actions of our state government affect us ALL, and we should indeed take seriously the boring facts, details, and limited options given our current resources. Grandstanding on “moral” issues is not a substitute for the practical application of good sense where it’s most needed. Thanks for listening.

RF

July 23rd, 2010
4:59 pm

@Doggone: “Have you heard this one? Dancing is the vertical expression of a horizontal desire” Only if it’s done right, darlin’, and then yepadeedoodle it is!!

RF

July 23rd, 2010
5:02 pm

Matti- you can drink, smoke, play with guns, just about anything so long as you don’t get pregnant doing it. Ironically, the GRTL I’m sure doesn’t support homosexuality. Talk about your birth control…I can have all the fun I want to and won’t EVER have to worry about getting past the GRTL to make life choices….

I jest, and you make a good point. You have control over just about anything in their view EXCEPT reproductive rights. They’d rather see a baby born to a crack-addicted mother who is likely going to neglect or abuse it, or as we’ve seen on the news, try to sell it in a Wal-Mart parking lot. And that’s better for humanity how?

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